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Abram & Lot Separate: When God Prunes Relationships | Beers with Jesus Genesis 13 · Todd's World

• Todd: we have to learn to be able to rely on just God at times in our life. And and unfortunately, too often we mix that up with comfort and with other things, and we have people in our lives, and I'm not saying that's bad per se. I'm only saying that in certain Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: times and certain seasons and maybe for certain calls that God has on certain people's lives, he just we end up having to cut people out. whether we cut out, or whether they Yo, it's Carrie: it's not about comfort. Todd: get cut out, or whether they die, or whether just things happen, and people that were in our lives and were a huge part of our lives no Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: longer are. And then Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: maybe the hope is that in that space God'll fill that up and we'll get more of him in it. he's using it to Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: move us into something else. Maybe he's using it to say, Hey, I'm enough for you in this season right now. Welcome everyone to Beers with Jesus, Todd's World. Carrie's with me. I'm Todd. Welcome. Thanks for coming. How's it going, Carrie? We do this every week. Beers Yo, it's Carrie: Hello. Fantastic. How about you? I know. Todd: with Jesus, anyway. The Wildly Opinion A News Hour is also is another podcast we do. We do that one every other week, and this is not Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: our week on. That said, if you haven't ever listened, you should go give it a try. Last week's was fabulous. Think the title is something Yo, it's Carrie: The last Todd: along the lines of the WMBA not just for black lesbians anymore. Yo, it's Carrie: And there have been more developments in that. It's pretty funny. Todd: Yeah, that's the that's the story that keeps on giving right there. Yo, it's Carrie: I can't believe you titled it that. Todd: It's so great. Yo, it's Carrie: This is why this is the only place I promo the show. Todd: Yeah. We got there was a lot of people that like that on TikTok. I mean for for me, I lately, because you know, I I Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: had one that went like we had one way back in twenty twenty three that went almost Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: like seven hundred and fifty thousand and we started to gain a bunch of stuff and then they just shut us down. And since then it hasn't been Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Yeah, they really did. Todd: as much, but this one got like five thousand views, a little over, which that's a lot for me anymore. Yo, it's Carrie: One score. Todd: Generally they don't. And then for some reason these Beers of Jesus clips I tried to put on TikTok, they don't do a whole lot. People on TikTok Yo, it's Carrie: No. Todd: don't care about Jesus. I don't think that can be true though, 'cause I see stuff. So I don't know. I don't know. We'll figure it out. Yo, it's Carrie: No. I know, I see stuff too. Okay. Not sure. I'm not drinking beer though. I'm st I'm still doing the coffee thing. How about you? Yeah. Todd: I'm still on coffee this morning too. So Yo, it's Carrie: Late night. Todd: I had a late night too, even though I didn't do anything like you did. You partied all night, but I did not Carrie was doing eight balls and stuff, but I was not. I'm not. I was just studying my Bible. Just kidding. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay, wait. This is so inaccurate. I must speak up in my own Todd: Ha ha ha. Yo, it's Carrie: defense. No. I actually I actually didn't party late, but I was just up late. And I I don't know, I feel like I'm I'm getting old or something because just being saw the band Todd: Didn't you go see that band that started at ten? Well, they played ten to one. Yo, it's Carrie: ten yeah, I don't know. I didn't stay till the end. But Todd: yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: it's so loud, like I love it. But it's so loud that I feel like the just the volume and the yelling to your friends to talk and I I feel like it wears on you. Like I wake up in Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: the morning, I feel like I got beat up a little bit. That's what I felt like and I like Yeah, there Todd: Maybe more went on than you know. Yo, it's Carrie: was that blackout period. No, it actually was I I wasn't I wasn't partying there because I had I had already had drinks with dinner. Todd: You had beers with Jesus in the morning. Yo, it's Carrie: I know I had to get up, but it's like, man, I just can't. The thought of a beer right now is not appealing. So coffee it is. Cheers. Todd: Coffee it is. All right, guys. Cheers. How about Carrie's reading today, I think? Right? And we are in Genesis 13. What we Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Yes. Okay. Todd: do on this show, we just go through the stories of the Bible. And we Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and we go through I mean, we pick a book. Like we the first book we did was Mark. And we just walk through the kind of chapter by chapter or whatever, however it makes sense. We use the message. I happen to like the message translation better than Than any others. I read it all the time. And I think I Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: just like the narrative flow of it and it works for what we do because we like to focus on the story. So if you want to Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: dig into Catholic or Protestant theology and you feel like you need a different Bible, well, you go knock yourself out. But we're just exploring the stories. So Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And it's the same story. It's the same story. Todd: it is the same story. So anyway, we're in the story of Abram right now. And we thought That everybody you know, I thought everybody was on the page that Abraham was real, but then I got I saw something flop or flash through my it wasn't a comment, Yo, it's Carrie: wait, what? Todd: it was like a post I saw and it Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: and you know how the algorithms are all over. And obviously I'm studying Abraham, but you know, it's it's whatever. But Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: I get a post that says talks about how even Abraham wasn't real. Nobody ever knew about Abraham, nobody ever knew this, and I thought, my god, I never heard this. What is going on? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, who's Todd: How come when I say Abram's real, the whole world is like no no no Yo, it's Carrie: Tod, you're just getting a taste of, you know, the disagreeable You're you're on the other end of the disagreeable. But yeah, no, I've never heard anyone claim that Abraham wasn't real. Todd: Haven't either craziness, crazy talk out there. Everybody Yo, it's Carrie: It is. It is crazy. Todd: wants to have some unique take. They're like, this'll break through. This will make me viral. They don't ever think, Yo, it's Carrie: They're not shutting those TikToks down. Todd: Well, what are you gonna do when you're viral when you have no talent? Like, what are you supposed to do? Like the hawk to Yo, it's Carrie: You're lashing out. Todd: a girl. All of a sudden you got a podcast, and my god, you got nothing to say. It's crazy. Yo, it's Carrie: right. I was gonna say she isn't still going, is she? Todd: I don't think so, but that's my point. Like Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: celebrity and fame are it like in our Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: culture and society, don't you feel like fame and celebrity it's starting to be emptied of a lot of the mystique it used to have when we were growing up. 'Cause Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm, sure. Todd: it's just so me you people become Yo, it's Carrie: Because of the Todd: famous for nothing and then you find they're nothing. You're like, god. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Well it's the the constant online presence, like the access and everything, I I think has removed some of that. Todd: Ridiculous. Sorry. I'm back to my launcher. Yelling at cars. Yo, it's Carrie: You know. I mean look, look at us. We're regular people and we're I know you are yelling at Car, slow down Okay. Todd: So anyway, we're in Genesis. We're going through what we went through the creation. We went through the Yo, it's Carrie: And what? Todd: fall. We went through the flood, the Nephilim, all the all the stuff. Now we're in Abram. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: we are in chapter 13 this week. So I think we just started with Abram last week. And Abram will soon become Abraham. So if you hear me occasionally mix it up or Carrie mix it up, that's why, is because Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: It would at eventually Yo, it's Carrie: Same guy. Todd: the next probably ten chapters God will change his name. And then for the rest of the entire Bible, everybody calls him Abraham. So that's how we think of him. But right now he's still Abram. So Carrie's reading for us today. Yo, it's Carrie: Haha yes. Abram. All right, chapter thirteen. So Abram left Egypt and went back to the Negev, he and his wife and everything he owned, and Lot still with him. By now Abram was very rich, loaded with cattle and silver and gold. He moved on from the Negev camping along the way to Bethel, the place he had first set up his tent between Bethel and I was and built his first altar. Abram prayed there to God. Lot, who was traveling with Abram, was also rich in sheep and cattle and tents, but the land couldn't support both of them. They had too many possessions. Sorry. They couldn't both live there. Quarrels broke out between Abram's shepherds and Lot's shepherds. The Canaanites and Perizzites were also living on the land at the time. Abram said to Lot, Let's not have fighting between us, between your shepherds and my shepherds. After all, we're family. Look around. Isn't there plenty of land out there? Let's separate. If you go left, I'll go right. If you go right, I'll go left. Lot looked. He saw the whole plain of the Jordan spread out, well watered. This was before God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Like God's garden, like Egypt. And stretching all the way to Zoar, is that how you say that? Lot took the whole plain Okay, that's all right. Following your lead. Lot took that's right, that's how we pronounce Todd: Yep. That's all I say it. That doesn't mean anything. Except it's Dod's world, so whatever. Yo, it's Carrie: it here. Lot took the took the whole plain of the Jordan. Lot set out to the east. That's how they came to part company, uncle and nephew. Abram settled in Canaan, Lot settled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent near Sodom. The people of Sodom were evil, flagrant sinners against God. After Lot separated from him, God said to Abram, Open your eyes, look around, look north, south, east, and west. Everything you see, the whole land spread out before you, I will give to you and your children forever. I'll make your descendants like dust. Counting your descendants will be as impossible as counting the dust of the earth. So on your feet, get moving. Walk through the country, its length and breadth, I'm giving it all to you. Abram moved his tent. He went and settled by the oaks of Mamre in Hebron. There he built an altar to God. Todd: Nice job, Carey. Yo, it's Carrie: thanks. I Todd: What a fabulous job you did. Yo, it's Carrie: Quit teasing me. Todd: No, you did. You got a great radio voice. I think that when I listen to the show every week. And you know why? It's because for Yo, it's Carrie: It's so funny. Todd: whatever reason, this platform we use, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: frequently it's not very good. like quality. Like I Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: like your your your sound comes in strange. Could be maybe I think I need new headphones. But anyway, I don't know what it is. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, I think you do. Todd: But once I get things, once I listen to it after it's all downloaded and touched up, it sounds beautiful. I think Carrie Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. There we go. Todd: has the best radio voice. Look at her go. Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh. Todd: Ha ha ha. Yo, it's Carrie: This is a whole Todd: So Yo, it's Carrie: new whole new era. Okay. Todd: So Abraham and Lot Abram and Lot are both they're both raking it in. God's blessing them as they as Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: they move along. They moved to Egypt and even while things were going on with Sarah. She was at the Pharaoh's house, and you know, the Abraham Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: had to deal with all that. Still he's still he's God's blessing him. He's he's he's getting he's getting wealthy along the way as Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: he's as he's following God. And maybe because of his proximity to Abram or relationship or whatever, Lot Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is as well. Lots his nephew and didn't ya? Lot Well Yep, that'll happen later. Yo, it's Carrie: I don't think I knew that ever. I don't believe so, when I've heard the story of Lot and his wife later. I don't think I knew. Mm-hmm. I don't think I knew that he was re that he was hi Abram's nephew. Todd: Well in chapter eleven toward the end, it it gives the family tree of Terah, which is Abraham's father, and it says Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: this is the story of Terah. Terah had Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Haran Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: had La Haran died before his father Terah in the Ear of Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the Chaldees. So it says that Terah took Abram, his grandson Lot, and Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Sarah, his daughter in law, and then they set out. They got as Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: far as Haran and settled down. And then God and then so when Abraham left, just as God said, and Lot left with him. So Lot is is is kind of going along with Abram on this Yo, it's Carrie: no. Todd: journey. Like like Abram's father was before. What's interesting about that, what I thought was kind of interesting, is Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: if you look at God's initial call to Abram, what he says is, Leave your country. So that's the earth the Chaldees for a land Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: that I'll show you. We see that. Check, right? Does that. Then Yo, it's Carrie: Yep. He did it. He did it. Todd: he says. Leave your family your father's home for a land that I will show you. So I think we can say check we left the father's home. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Kinda. But on the leave your family part it seems like Abraham kinda brought the family along for a while. Yo, it's Carrie: Well, do you think that God meant for him he didn't mean for him to leave Sarah behind and Okay. But Todd: Not Sarah, no, I don't think so. I think but but I do think that that maybe well what it seems like is Abraham brings Tara with him and eventually in Lod and then they settle Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Todd: in Haran and that kind of maybe holds things up for a while until until Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Tara dies. and then God as soon as Tara dies, God kind of comes back to Abraham and and and reissues, I think, this call to Abraham Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: and kind of and kind of expands it a little bit. And Abraham leaves, follows God's God's voice, leaves, and brings Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Lot with him. Now, did did God mean for him to bring Lot with him? Did he not? Well, I don't know. For period of years, Lot's there, they're both getting wealthier. But it does seem like we come to this point now, and God is kind of pruning that relationship. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. It's a good yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Todd: And I wonder if there's something to that because what it when it had said, so Abraham left Egypt and he went Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: back to the Negeb, which is kind of in the south. He and his wife and everything he owned in lot with him. By now, he was he was really rich and the whole thing. So he moves on, he goes back to Bethel, to where he had first kind of set up his tent in his altar in the land of Canaan. So I kind of feel like you know, he he kind of did this detour, he went south and he went up to Egypt during the famine, and then everything with the Pharaoh and Sarah and And everything that happened there and he comes back and and he goes back to that original altar. And I feel like he's he's looking almost for like like a reset with God. Like almost Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: almost for a just just let let's let's let's kinda I I I need to hear from you again. And what makes me think that is that it says he he prayed there to God. So it's where he built his first altar, he circles all the way back. And then he prays to God there. What what does that mean? We expect that Abraham's probably praying to God a fair amount. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: So, but there's something unique about this. He's looking, he's seeking God in a certain way. What was interesting to me is that right after that, it starts going into the lot thing and and Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: how they both have so much. they couldn't be together, too many sheep, too many, couldn't the land wouldn't support Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: them both, whatever. And so Abraham looks out and he he lets Lot choose. Lot chooses what looks like the best. Best land, and and then Abraham or Abram takes the hill country. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And then when it says in chapter 14, after Lot separated from him, God said to Abraham, God then reaffirms it, widens out, expands this promise and this call to Abraham even more. But it's after Lot leaves, it's after he's separated from Lot. It's what makes me think God's going through a process with Abraham and. of kind of emptying him and pruning him of some of these former like Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: God's like, I'm gonna make a family out of you, but it's not it's it's just out of you. Your immediate family. It's gonna be a new family. You know what I mean? You can't Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Yeah. Todd: drag the old family a around meaning not his kid and wife. That's not what I mean. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Extended family. Todd: A check in Massachusetts. Yo, it's Carrie: So okay, this is interesting because I was just talking with a a friend who's getting ready to move out of state. Todd: Okay. Yo, it's Carrie: And we were just we were talking about how you can try to make plans. We were talking about people we know who try to make plans Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: and for whatever reason the plans nothing nothing falls into place. Nothing's going smoothly. You have in your head how it's gonna go. Todd: Sometimes the whole life is a dirt road. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. And then and then something changes and I'm just thinking of this separation here. And all of Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: a sudden God's like, all right, that's that's the green light. Whether whether he makes it happen or we make decisions that are finally in alignment with his plan, that's when everything like starts to not necessarily be easy, but the but the movement happens the way it's supposed to. Am I making Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: sense? Todd: Yeah. So so it it it seems to be a struggle. And that's kind of what Abram has found. You know, he he gets there, there's this famine, he goes to Egypt, Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Todd: he has all this kerfuffle with with Pharaoh taking Sarah's wife and she's him saying she's his sister and this whole thing and it it Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: turns into whatever. And and yeah, and then once he separates from Lot he hears from God again. He he kinda Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: he sees God in that fresh way that he's seeking him is what it is what it feels like to me. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Like he's like, I got here. I'm still looking for this land that you're supposed to show me. You know what I mean? And it and it did Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Right. Right. Todd: make me wonder if i i if yeah, if if we have to to just if there's certain things God calls us to and they're hard on the front end. In fact, we might hear it a certain way, we might think, He must not have meant that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, 'cause that doesn't Yo, it's Carrie: Ha ha. Todd: seem like What God would say. Like, that's not again, we talk a lot on this program about God and the boxes that we try to put Him in. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: Which I think is a lot of the struggle that whether it's organized religion, whether it's Christians, whether it's Christian leaders, whatever it is that that that we run into is we're constant, we we've got God boxed up, and then all of a sudden something will happen. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And it's not easily plunked down in a box. We're like, wait a tick. Something is something Yo, it's Carrie: Ha ha. Todd: about this is disconcerting because God's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: operating in a way I didn't expect. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And I was pretty sure I had him nailed down. Yo, it's Carrie: Right, I was pretty sure I had him in the box. Todd: Thought I thought he was like he was a good God. He was gonna do what I needed, and right. We like Yo, it's Carrie: You know. Do what I wanted. Todd: we wanna gotta narrow him up, and God's like, wait. But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: but it seems like God said, No, I I I said leave your family. Maybe there was more to that than Abraham realized. Abraham thought, well, if I'm following you and I'm bringing my family, I left some of my family. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: But it does seem like God, and that and I think we see that at times in our own lives. Where yeah, sometimes there's people, there's separations that take place. Sometimes they're diff often usually they're difficult. Usually separations and partings are difficult. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: I I mean who what that could be a lot of different things. Could be that Yo, it's Carrie: Right and Todd: that both my parents but I had parents die relatively young, although I was just doing some work for a guy, he's an older guy or couple and he was telling Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: me how his Mom died when he was seven, his dad died when he was fifteen or something. I was like, Yo, it's Carrie: Oof. Todd: geez, I thought my parents were young. But Yo, it's Carrie: Right. My gosh. but else yeah. Todd: But there's times I wonder could I've no w i i i i is there is there a point to which I couldn't have I I couldn't have done what I've done or moved in the direction that I moved eventually to God had Yo, it's Carrie: I don't know. Todd: my parents been here. I wonder that sometimes. You know what I mean? Was was there a Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm, yes. Todd: parting was there a reason for that pruning? And I don't I don't get it all, probably won't get it all until you know we're on the other Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the other side, but Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: But is there a point to it where no, you you gotta learn to you we have to learn to be able to rely on just God at times in our life. And and unfortunately, too often we mix that up with comfort and with other things, and we have people in our lives, and I'm not saying that's bad per se. I'm only saying that in certain Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: times and certain seasons and maybe for certain calls that God has on certain people's lives, he just we end up having to cut people out. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. 'Cause it 'cause it's not about comfort. Todd: Or or whether we cut out, or whether they get cut out, or whether they die, or whether just things happen, and people that were in our lives and were a huge part of our lives no Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: longer are. And then Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: maybe the hope is that in that space God'll fill that up and we'll get more of him in it. And then you know, he's using it Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: to move us into something else. Maybe he's using it to say, Hey, I'm enough for you in this season right now. And sometimes Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: for us, now for Lot it didn't exactly work out this way with Abram, but Sometimes for us people come along though they'll come back in other seasons. You know what I mean? They'll they'll just be Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: this th but there's different seasons in our lives where people kinda come and go. What do you think? Yo, it's Carrie: Well, I agree with you what you're saying, like in our lives. but I'm looking here at Abram and thinking he doesn't strike me as a disobedient, you know, f I mean, I feel like he's faithful, I feel like he's has the spirit of obedience, so you know, taking Lot along might have been a little you know, a little unnecessary, but but I don't feel like he was being defiant. That's Todd: I don't think that at all. But is it just part of his growth? Yo, it's Carrie: I I don't think he's presented that way. And he's being right. I was gonna say, and he's being blessed along the way, but then there's conflict and he even finds a peaceful way to solve it. Like, hey, let's not let's not live like this, let's spread out a bit. but then, like you said, then God reveals the the next the next stage and I think, well, maybe it's just we're just watching the process because everything is, you know, we say it all the time. We want God to just kind of snap his fingers and fix fix things for us that we feel have, you know, he's promised us. And here we have one of the biggest figures in in the Old Testament. And it's like it's just a lifelong process, just like all of us. Like I just feel like Todd: I think you're right. Yo, it's Carrie: he's feel like he's very relatable here in this context we're talking about. Todd: I agree. And and like I I don't know Yo, it's Carrie: We're watching him do something's right, maybe something's wrong. He's trying to he's trying to listen. Mm-hmm. Todd: When I'm saying that, I don't necessarily I'm not thinking of it like I don't really think it's like disobedience per se. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: I think maybe maybe we don't well not maybe frequently, maybe Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: all the time, we get a glimpse of the call that God has for us, Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: but we don't really understand it. Like we understand parts of it and we in Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Mm-hmm. Todd: and so Abraham or or Abram moves. into what he in in into what he can see of it. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Sure. Todd: And but but but what you're calling just the process, which is what I think it is, is the growth. But that Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: growth sometimes comes with with relationships and things being broken off and left behind the way because for whatever reason. And we may not Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: know why. We we sometimes the times that God comes to us and he kind of reaffirms everything for us and even widens out our call oftentimes Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: Those that happens in periods of loss, in periods of pain, in periods Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: of brokenness. Is that fair, maybe? Yo, it's Carrie: a hundred percent. Yeah, it's when I mean we can grow we can we grow through success and achievement and all that, but yeah, but of course we grow. If you're if you look for it, if you look for what lesson can I learn from this challenge, you know, I'm facing or I'm being crushed by, whatever the case may be. yeah, Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: if you look at it that way. Yeah, think you do the most growth during that. So Todd: Yeah, and that's when God shows up. But but there's that old that old idea. Right. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Especially if you're seeking. Especially if you're seeking. Mm-hmm. Todd: there's that old idea of C.S. Lewis says God has something to give you to give us, but our hands are full. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: out of love, in grace, He empties them. So that we can receive what He has. But that doesn't feel like love and grace that emptying to us. Does that make sense? Yo, it's Carrie: No. yeah. Absolutely. Todd: And I so I think that's a big part of this passage. let's take a quick break. Warm coffee. You want to do that? Then we'll get right back. All right. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Okay, sure. Okay. Todd: All right, we're back with a coffee warm up. By the way, guys, if you look if you're a a listener of Beers of Jesus, you're one of our regular listeners, regular fans, last week I somehow forgot. I meant to edit out that like we had a glitch, like a tech glitch, and I forgot I just forgot to edit it out. Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh, was it all in there? Todd: It wasn't that bad. It was just one little spot where we were I I couldn't hear you for a minute. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, is it did my camera shut off and Todd: It wasn't yeah, it wasn't I don't know, I wasn't watching the video, but it was anyway. I apologize Yo, it's Carrie: Yep. Todd: guys. I forgot that happened during the episode and I I just Yo, it's Carrie: It was it we resolved it quickly. I forgot all about that too. Okay. Todd: Yeah, it wasn't that big a deal, but I like to be a little more professional even though I'm not ever Yo, it's Carrie: Some days we don't fake it as well as others. Todd: But we're authentic, guys, that's what matters. And in this day and age, Yo, it's Carrie: No. That's true. Todd: that is a rare commodity. Actual we Yo, it's Carrie: Yep, I'm here for that. Todd: I think you could say Todd's world is peak authenticity. We are the we're the light shining Yo, it's Carrie: I like that. Can you put that? Todd: against the AI bullshit out there in the world. Yo, it's Carrie: Peak authenticity. can you put that in like your a tagline or something? Todd: Yeah, I'm I'm maybe a shirt. We may need to do a new shirt. Maybe Peak Authenticity is the new shirt. What do you think? Like a little mountain Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, I like it. I'm writing it down. Todd: peak in the back? Yo, it's Carrie: I'm writing it down. Okay. Todd: Okay, Carrie's writing it down. We're good guys. This idea will not be lost in the ether. Yo, it's Carrie: No, it's just gonna be lost on a scrap of paper on my desk. That's funny. Todd: It'll it'll still be lost. Just will be written down somewhere. Okay. The other thing I wondered, what do you think about Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: just the way the whole like the lot Abram like Abram gives him a choice, Lot looks and and and it I mean it did seem like Lot was like you know, it it'd be like if there was maybe a An okay car, like a real great truck in the driveway and then like a brand new Corvette, like Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: well of course I'm taking the Corvette. Doesn't it kinda seem like that with a lot? Yo, it's Carrie: Okay, I was gonna I was gonna ask you I was gonna ask you if that was if I interpreted that correctly. I Todd: Well, I don't know. I mean that's what that's the way it comes off. Yo, it's Carrie: mean it just seems like hold on, let me go back to that there. Todd: It seems like he was real focused like on what he like saw w like he like he saw the land and there was almost like a a lust of the eyes. Maybe that's a little much and and it's hard to know because we if you know anything about the Bible, you know what's coming with Lot. It's so Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: it's it's hard to it's hard to to to divorce yourself from that and just look at Lot right now. But knowing Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: all that comes, it seems like Lot's one who is fascinated by by the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, by their wealth, maybe the big city lights. He he ends Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: up when the Sodom and Gomorrah story actually happens. He's one of the elders at the gate, so he's a respected person. He goes from here it says that he lived near says Lot settled in the cities of the plain and pitched his tent near Sodom. Then we're going to find a couple chapters later he's living in Sodom. Then we're going to find he's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: one of the guys at the gate. One of the respected leaders of Sodom. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And so there seems to be something about that life that that Lot was really into. You know? I mean, they didn't even want to leave when angels were trying Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: to pull out, which is spoiler alert coming I think chapter nineteen. So where Lot's wife looks back and, you know, yes. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, yeah. Okay. Wait, is that coming up? Is that in Genesis also? Man, Genesis action packed. I know I'm saying it every week, but it's like it's Todd: I told you I it's fabulous. Yo, it's Carrie: everything. okay, Todd, you've you've just reminded me of something else here that's cool, and that is that it doesn't matter. Like so Lot looked out, saw something that, you know, was Well watered, it looked like lush, successful, developed, and all that. Right. Todd: Yeah. Looked like the garden of God, the garden of Eden. Yo, it's Carrie: He was super excited about it. He claimed that. That's where I'm going. And God, like without without any fanfare or anything like that, thank you. Without anything. He just says kind of like it reminded me of the I'm not I'm not trying to minimize the Bible, but it reminded me of the Lion King scene Todd: Okay. Yo, it's Carrie: where. Mufasa has his little boy's symbol with him, and he says, like, all of that, like as far as I can see. Yes. It reminded Todd: Yeah. Where they're up on that like promontor or whatever, yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: me of that. But God just so calmly was like, all right, Lot's gone. Abram, look around, you know, open your eyes, look around. He's like, and he tells him to look in every direction. And he says, the whole land spread out before you, I will give you and your children forever. Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: It doesn't matter what lot chooses, it to him looks Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: like the best. But God is always can always give more and Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: it it's obviously what he's promising Abram is more than just the material land also. So it just it dwarfs whatever Lot picked. Todd: Maybe this tells us is that with God it's far Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: less about picking the right thing or not picking the right thing or whatever. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and it does seem like that that seems to be kind of a a juxtaposition where you've got Lot who's Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: captivated by certain things in the land. I don't Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: think you g I get the impression, even if Abraham had just picked, I don't know that he'd have picked that. You know what I mean? I feel like Abraham's more about Yo, it's Carrie: No, it doesn't seem Todd: following God in the hill country and maybe there's some struggle in the hill country, but that's where he's found God is in in the struggle and you know, and I don't think Yo, it's Carrie: I think Todd: there's anything about Sodom and the cities and the what any of that Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that that appeals to Abe to Abram even a little. You know? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm mm. No, I think if anything, Abram would have if if it had been up to him, he just would have built an author an an author an altar and he would have prayed and said, Where do you want me to go? Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: Whereas La is like scoping out what's appealing to the eye. Sure. Todd: And maybe that was maybe that was his way by offering Lot the decision, he thought, you know, I'll just leave it up to Lot. That's leaving it up to God. God'll make Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: God'll gotta work it out either way. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: You know, and I I wish I i and my guess is that this isn't if you think about these kinds of decisions in life, this Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: wouldn't be a decision that was just like one morning Abram got up and thought, we gotta do the like he probably struggled with it a little bit. Th there was probably Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: multiple quarrels and different situations Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: with shepherds and there's this this conflict they're dealing with. And and Abraham probably thought, you know, I guess we're we're gonna have to separate. And I think there was probably pain in that for Abraham. He doesn't have a son at this point. I think we're we're left to maybe think Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Right. Lot might have seemed like Todd: that that Lot was maybe a little bit like a son to him. Abraham does go in and Yo, it's Carrie: Like a sun figure. Todd: rescue him and and and there are some things. Now Abraham, this is they're not he doesn't cut off communication with Lot for forever, but they're not They're gonna live together anymore. They're not gonna They're not both living in in yeah, working in West Michigan all the time and seeing each other at church and everything. You know I mean? It's a different thing. Yo, it's Carrie: They're not gonna be working the the their land together. Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: So Yo, it's Carrie: I think this also speaks to Abram's just peaceful peaceful character. You know, he's letting Lot choose. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: It's almost like a gesture of you, you know, go ahead, just to kind of foster that peace that he's trying to Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: Rebuild with him. Todd: Yeah. And and do you think that there's Yo, it's Carrie: Wayne. Todd: a how would or or what would it be, the lesson for us in that? You know what Yo, it's Carrie: Hm. Todd: I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: sure. I mean Todd: Is is the lesson don't always i if if the two are set up, don't be the one who's always running and grasping for everything Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: shiny and new that looks like the best. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Is that part of it? I don't know. Yo, it's Carrie: I mean it could be for sure. I think I think choosing peace over acquisition, I guess. Todd: Yeah, well Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. I mean Todd: That could be. Yo, it's Carrie: because today, like if if we were quarreling with someone we cared about, I think pride can just we're so prideful, you know? And I think that it's easy to want to be right. It's not a perfect analogy to Abram and Lot, Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: but I just mean choosing I think the there's a good lesson here in just choosing peace. It's like, you know, what what are we fighting for? Let's you know let's be adults and Todd: Yeah. Maybe s maybe sometimes we I know I do in certain things. Yo, it's Carrie: What's that? Todd: Sometimes we hold on too long and too tight. It no. But sometimes we're we're so convinced Yo, it's Carrie: I thought you were gonna tell me you always choose peace, Todd. Yeah. Todd: that without this person, without this relationship, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Todd: it could be without a thing. It could be without a house, without a car, it could be without a job, could be without a lot of things. But we're convinced Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, you're right. Todd: that Without this thing, this person, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: this whatever, that mean this is this is what we've known. We we don't know what life's gonna look like on the other side. And so we Yo, it's Carrie: no. Todd: hold on too long and too tight to things that Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: God is just kinda he's kind of prying our hands. I think it's that it's that that Corey Tenboom thing we talked about last week, which I did finally find the actual thing for. I can't remember where it was. Yes, I did finally find that. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. is this the the interview you were looking for? Did did I end up did I help you find it with that suggestion? Todd: You know what found it is I I take our transcripts after we do it and I run them through Grok and just ask Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: for any little what I'm actually asking for is is I ask it to suggest the best like clip for that little cold open clip I do at the front end. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Todd: so and the and the reason I use AI is because I'm I'm swimming in an AI algorithm. So I just figure it knows more than I do what these other AI things want. Yo, it's Carrie: Gotcha. Todd: But yeah, I wanted to see if I could if the it the it was a little different. Her her quote to I was it Chuck Swindahl, I think is what it was about. Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: And I wanna see if it's if it's in here. Cause it what what Grok did after I gave it the the transcript is it found that thing in it and there was a couple things that we had maybe left hanging because we didn't know the answers to or we couldn't find or whatever. And Grok answered them in the like it found it for me. And so it gave me that Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. that's cool. Todd: it gave me that Corey Timboom thing. Where is that? Yo, it's Carrie: Thank you, Graph. Todd: And I wanted to Here it is. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and this is what she actually said. See, it says Swindahl recounts meeting Cory Tenboom shortly before her death after a service. She cupped her hands, then opened them, and said something to this effect with her Dutch accent. Pastor Svendal, you must learn to hold everything loosely. Everything. Even your dear family. Why? Because the father Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: may wish to take one of them back to himself, and when he does it will hurt you if he must pry your fingers loose. Remember, hold everything loosely, everything. So that was the that was the Corey Ten Boom quote that we were Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: trying for last week. Yo, it's Carrie: had I think that is a taller order than forgiveness. I used to think forgiveness was the tallest order, you know, in in Christian faith. Yeah. Todd: Mm-hmm. You think holding things lo learning to hold things loosely is a taller order? Yo, it's Carrie: I think so. Not material things, but people you care about. Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: Well, everything, you know, yeah. Your family, your relationships, your friends, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: your job, your wealth, any kind of accumulations, Yo, it's Carrie: Chair. Todd: ho homes, any of that. Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: We hold on tight to all of it. Because it's it it's Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, we do. Todd: the it's we feel like it's the things that that root us and in a way it is, it's everything that roots us to this world. Yo, it's Carrie: It is. You're right. Todd: And the whole time Jesus is like, you don't understand you were made for a different one. I got I gotta I gotta uproot some of these things so that I Yo, it's Carrie: You're like, damn it. Right. Todd: could replant you where you were made to be. Yo, it's Carrie: But while we're here, it's such a Todd: And all the things Yo, it's Carrie: it's such a challenge to Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: to remember that this it's temporary. All this stuff is temporary. Todd: It's a challenge for us to to believe God when He says on the on the other side of this, you'll get all this back and more. You know what I mean? But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the front end is pick up your cross and follow me. The Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: front end is separation, the front end is difficulty, the front end is loss and grief. And it's through that that we grow into the perfection that God has for us. Does that make sense? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. I think it's a tall order. Todd: It is. and even for Abraham is a tall order. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: So if Abraham is hauling a lot around maybe longer than he should have, that wouldn't make any Abraham any different than us. That have a few things that Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: we're hauling around some maybe their relationship, maybe it's maybe Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: it's a job, maybe it's who knows, maybe it's a dream Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that we're just hauling around because we're just not ready to quite let hold that one loosely enough to let it go. You know. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: It takes some time sometimes. Takes it took time even for Abram. So Yo, it's Carrie: Do you think do you think it would be a fruitful exercise to write down the things in our lives that we kind of know? 'Cause you know, if you're honest with yourself, you kinda know Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: there's stuff you're hanging on to. Think it would be Todd: I'm sure it would be. Yo, it's Carrie: fruitful exercise to write those things down, kinda look Todd: Yeah. For someone like me it would feel entirely too close to a workbook. But I do do things like that in a in my journaling and things. Yeah. Yeah. Carrie just goes back to what we can we have an outline? Yo, it's Carrie: Workbook? Did you say workbook? I know, I'm sorry. I'm such a I don't wanna be, but I am kind of a workbook girl. I mean, I'm not saying My apologies. But yeah, that'd be something, wouldn't it? Do you? Okay, yeah. And I'm thinking of that. I'm thinking like to journal those things. Todd: No, no, but I think that would be good. I do do that at times, but that would be more in journaling for me, would be kind of how I would. I don't journ when I journal, I don't journal like every single day. I just I write Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: when when I want to. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Just to have more more to have, like to have a collection of okay, I've got all these Bibles that are filled up with notes and writings and things Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: from every day, and then I got all these journals. And someday, it's hard to imagine If you looked at how my kids are right now, but someday maybe they'll care. Or grandkids or something. Maybe my kids never will. I am starting to think my kids never will. But maybe a grandkid or two might. Yo, it's Carrie: boy. Yeah. Might be like, what was grandpa like? I don't know, there's a stack of journals there. Knock yourself out. He was disagreeable, but we loved him. He was Todd: I don't know. He was a lot he was exhausting. Yo, it's Carrie: a dishaust. no. Todd: I don't know. So the other thing in Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: this that I was the the only the the kind of the last thing I was thinking of Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: was just where it says where not only does God expand the promise, open your eyes. So God after Lot separated from God said to Abram, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Todd: open your eyes, look around, look north, south, east, west. Just like Gary said. The the the this separation in the end meant almost nothing. To Abraham, like he's getting all of it anyway. Or his descendants are. Yo, it's Carrie: Right? Mm-hmm. Exactly. Todd: I will give to you everything you see, the whole land spread out before you. I will give to you and your children forever. I'll make your descendants like dust. Counting your descendants will be as impossible as counting the dust of the earth. So he expands that promise he originally gave him. And then I love this at the end. So on your feet, get moving, walk through the country, its length and breadth. Giving it all to you. Abraham moved his tent. He went and settled by the oaks of Mamre and Hebron. There he built an altar to God. There's something about, I think, about actually getting walking into the promise I think that that God has for us. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Ooh, I like that perspective. Mm-hmm. Todd: Sometimes God's promises can feel so massive in their tone and in and in everything. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: And So God's promising them all this. It could make you feel like, well, what do I do now? And God's just like, go live it. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Mm-hmm. Todd: Like, just just go explore my gift and my promise to you. Enjoy it. Become the blessing that I'm telling you you are right now. Like Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: just go out and and explore it and live in it. And and you know what I mean? That that seems to me Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: I think sometimes we can get stuck a little and and God's like, no. Like we talked about last week, just keep moving. That's really the biggest thing. Like go out and explore everything I'm telling ya. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: If you're Peter and you feel the and you see Jesus walking on the water, you wanna walk on the water? Jump out of the boat and go. If he's calls to you. If Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: he doesn't it I mean he'll probably rescue you, but I know. Yo, it's Carrie: What are you doing? No, you're you're right though. Todd: Dude, there's a boat for a reason. Yo, it's Carrie: Quit trying to one up me, one up Jesus. You know, it's kind of like saying thank you. It's like it's like living as though the promise has already been fulfilled. We've talked about that as well. Todd: Yeah, I like that. Yo, it's Carrie: And like you're saying, he's saying just walk into it, walk into the promise. It's and and you've noticed you've noticed this many times before in readings that it's those steps that we take that end up opening up God's plan. You're Todd: yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: not supposed to just sit and wait for it to happen. You have to do something. So yeah. So walking into Todd: It's what it's kind of what faith is. What he's describing when he says, go out and explore it, walk into it, like Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: live it. That that's faith. Because in Hebrews 11, the very the very first verse, the fundamental fact of existence is that this trust in God, this faith, is the firm foundation under everything that makes life worth living. It's our handle on what we can't see. The Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: act of faith is what distinguished our ancestors. And set them above the crowd. And then it and one of those is Abram or Abraham. That's what it says in but you know, same guy. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. So it's the handle, you said? It's the handle. Todd: Yeah. By an act of faith, Abraham said yes to God's call to travel to an unknown place that would become his home. When he left he had no idea where he was going. By an act of faith he lived in the country promised him, lived as a camper, as a stranger camping in tents. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: That's that go walk through the length and the breadth of it. That's that act of faith. Go Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: out and see it. You may not you may not get to see what's gonna happen later on. You you can't quite get your handle on it, but I'm telling you, everything you see, it's yours Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and your descendants. You know what I mean? And go out and and and and look at it. But because that's that's when you're believing it. You're you're you're seeing Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: everything that God's promising. And it seems you have to think about the fact that as Abraham's traveling around camp and he's thinking How could this be? I don't own any of this. Is you know what I mean? I'm just a stranger camping along the way. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And I and I have no children. I I thought we were gonna get to his reaction to it. He Todd: It's been a it takes a little while for that frustration to build up in Abram. when is that coming? Yo, it's Carrie: But I mean for God to be promising descendants uncountable like the dust, I'm just like I you're like, Todd: Yeah. And him like, I don't have any kids at all. Yo, it's Carrie: what? You just expect a a little inquiry there. I I thought maybe there'd be something, but Todd: yeah, it we we get all the way Yo, it's Carrie: I think it's only it's only when God tells him that Sarah is expecting that Abram s questions it, right? Todd: It's a it's a it's a way is there we gotta go through Ishmael yet. There's there's a lot there's a lot going on in this story before Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: there's a lot that Abram has to that God takes Abram through and you and makes him wait twenty-five years for a promise that you think it to the point where at that point the promise doesn't even seem possible to be fulfilled. Like God Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: gets to the point where it seems like he's failed before Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: he comes through supernaturally and says, just when you think it's impossible, that's when I'm gonna step in. It's like you've you've exhausted Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: everything else, you've gotten to the end, and you've and you thought, well, I must have misunderstood. God's like, nah, I'm just getting started. So he wants to empty all or crush all our boxes that we have for him. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. True. Todd: And when he gets us to the point we're just ready to throw up our arms and say, I I I I mean I believe you and I know you I don't know how any of this could ever work. And then he's like, okay, I think you're ready for me to take over now. Jesus take the wheel. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. It's like you have to respectfully have to respectfully dare him to show you. I dare you to show me how this plan's gonna work. Respectfully. But twenty but Todd: Yeah, that's what God wants us to, I think. It says, test me, see if I don't open the windows of heaven, you know. Yo, it's Carrie: twenty five years, I mean that's half our lives. That's like a whole life of, you know, some Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: of our kids. It's wild. It's long time. Mm. So he's on his way. Todd: crazy. It's a very long time. So anyway, what do you think, Carrie? I think we did pretty good. Look at us go. Yo, it's Carrie: I mean he's on his way. Building altars. He's still moving in faith and can't wait to see. Can't wait to see what he does Todd: Yeah. Severing some ties, losing some people along the way, and that's that's okay. Yo, it's Carrie: next week. Todd: Next week's fun. Next week is is some action packed stuff that you're after. There's some wars and stuff. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah? Ooh okay. my goodness. Todd: Abraham has to go rescue a lot. There's a bunch of fun stuff. So come back next week, guys. Tell your friends. Yo, it's Carrie: my goodness. Okay. Fabulous. Thank you so much for listening. Mm-hmm. Todd: Yeah, thank you for listening. Thank you for joining us today. Tell your friends Send clips to them. You can find clips on our on the socials, the Todd's World, Todd's World 2023, TikTok, X, YouTube, of course, where the full episode is, the video episode. We're on wherever you get podcast, Apple, Spotify, any those. so yeah, thank you for joining us. Check out the wildly opinion news hour, check out Toddsworld.net. That's where my books are. Some fabulous books. Just Yo, it's Carrie: Looks are good. Todd: and that's where the peak authenticity gear is gonna be. Yo, it's Carrie: Ha ha ha. Todd: What do you think, Carrie? You think that works? Peak authenticity. We'll play around with it. Yo, it's Carrie: Pink on Disney. I mean, you know. I love it. I I love it. I'm I'm laughing at it, but it's great. 'Cause it is. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: We're just yeah, we're just doing our thing. Todd: W you can even well, I don't wanna say it on air, somebody'll steal my ideas. Gotta be careful. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Shh. Tell your friends about the show but not about this conversation. No, I like it. Todd: All right guys. Thank you for joining us next week, chapter fourteen. We'll have another news next week too. But check out the news from last week. Two hours of just peak peak Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh. Todd: hilarity. Imagine all the peaks we could go. Yo, it's Carrie: No That's funny. Todd: All right, guys. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week. Thanks, Carrie. Yo, it's Carrie: See you soon. Thank you. Todd: See ya.