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COMM 220: 21st Century Hype · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast.
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  My name is Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler.
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  How are you doing tonight buddy? Me and you are Co watching some
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  big 12 Hoops here. Who tournament teams battling
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  down in the state of Texas. We're both very tired.
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  Guys are if our energy level isn't normal.
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  Brian has had a hell of a week. There there's been doctor's
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  appointments in pretty much every member of my family this
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  week, on top of not the greatest sleep due to some of those
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  things. So if I'm a little low energy or
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  lethargic compared to my normal Persona, don't take it out on
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  me. I'm trying to try to grind
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  through and we'll get a nice episode out for you guys.
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  Anyway, getting a good episode out, regardless, just the energy
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  levels, aren't there again Brian.
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  Like you said everybody in his eye, Cows have been to the
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  hospital or to the doctor this week.
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  Also over here. We're changing schedules again
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  with one of the kiddos back in school in person, though, my
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  routines completely change and obviously, you know, pregnant
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  wife and we're getting close. Close to time.
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  Things are happening. Final Countdown.
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  The Final Countdown, every little thing, where it's like,
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  okay, eat meat texting and telling people Might not be able
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  to work tomorrow and then I'm working tomorrow.
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  So on alert. Nope not only I don't know
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  exactly but you know guys it's been a couple weeks since we
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  dropped anything and that was the white Vixen of you, we
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  really appreciate all the listens we got to that we had an
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  unbelievable time with the white.
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  You know if you don't follow him and Victory Life on Twitter.
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  Do so he's a heck of a follow and we're definitely probably
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  going to have Him back soon but since that point I'm a lot of
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  things going on Hokie Nation. We're going to hit a variety of
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  topics tonight. But what's going to lead off the
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  show is something the guys over at some of the Saturday
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  primarily Evan Norse. Did he had an interview with
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  former hokey quarterback Hendon hooker and you know, overall the
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  interview Brian, you know it seems like, you know, he left on
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  foot. Cordial terms.
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  He did not bus anybody he did, raise some things here and there
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  what was what was some of the things that kind of caught you
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  Brian. Yeah, definitely wasn't like a
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  clap back season type interview so we didn't see any of the
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  sparks flying or anything like that.
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  Whether you were expecting that or not expecting that, you know
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  you'll be disappointed there. It's very much a Straightforward
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  interview, some concerns in there but nothing that you know
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  was you know get your popcorn ready, worthy of our checking
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  out there. It was it was a very good
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  interview. I think Kevin did a good job
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  with it. Particularly things that stood
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  out for me and you know this is one thing that we talked about
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  before is some of the comments that have been made about the
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  offensive scheme. Nothing was necessary.
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  He blatantly lately - but there were some concerns about, you
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  know, sometimes plays not there. Sometimes you don't have the
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  right call at the right time, you know, things like that,
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  where you can kind of read between the lines a little bit.
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  And say, yeah, I wasn't always put in the best position and
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  when even when I was sometimes the play call wasn't right?
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  So that's obviously Something that we need to work for.
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  We talked about this before and I know it's low-hanging.
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  Fruit to bash the offensive coordinator in general at
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  Virginia Tech. I mean, it's a tale as old as
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  time or at least as old as the be Moreira 2001.
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  Yeah, exactly. So, don't mean, we've been doing
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  this a while at the same time, that doesn't make the concerns
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  that are raised both by the fans.
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  And in this case by the former quarterback in and Hooker
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  invalid. Yeah, you know he said it in the
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  piece was he said the system is great, which Ron me and you have
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  said numerous times, like the system is the, the style that we
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  have is a really unbelievable system.
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  But to your point, Yes, when he said, right?
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  Place at the right time Brian. I think did you text me?
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  Or I texted you I sent that quote in like what rhymes?
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  Like we said that. That's what we're saying
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  validation. Yeah.
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  I mean I'll take a Victory lap on this.
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  I mean we've been talking about this for a long time, it's not
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  the scheme. It's the number one sometimes
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  week-to-week preparation. Number two situational play
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  calling And and it's not that the offense has been bad.
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  Especially in terms of just the raw numbers is that there's so
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  many points that are left on the field week to week.
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  And there's so many opportunities to extend a drive
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  that can put you in a better position to win the game that,
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  you know, there's just it just isn't there.
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  So, you know, we're not saying we're not critical of the
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  offense across the board. I think there are pluses and
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  minuses to take from it, but when you see a very key thing
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  that there's nothing being I'm done to address that key thing,
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  you know, that's when you start having some, some questions come
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  out and some like, hey, why aren't we doing anything to
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  address this obvious shortcoming.
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  Exactly. So, yeah, so definitely those
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  concern that kind of thought my the other one that called pain,
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  both eyes, Brian was talking about, who had the closest
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  relationship with and you expected to, you know, Here, one
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  of the position coaches or something like that.
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  And he said, nice like, you know, really the gaas and he
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  really, he mentioned Caleb jealous.
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  Amino as something that body, talk to regular day-to-day in
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  person. And at first, when you read
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  that, if you take just that line out, it's like, oh my God, our
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  coaches are out of touch. He kind of followed it up and he
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  said, you know, that, that's usually how it is.
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  He's like, you know, you come in, you can talk to coaches
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  sometimes. But in college football, they
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  have so much on their plates during the day.
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  Yeah, be recruiting this 24/7 now.
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  I mean, I'm playing it. Like, there's if it's not be
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  scheduled time to be with the coaches.
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  Yeah, I get that being close with the ga like if that's whose
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  ear you're going to Ping, First with any sort of concern and
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  he's sort of like, low-level question that you have about
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  whether it's skiing whether it's game, plan, you know, whatever
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  it may be. That's where you're going to
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  touch first. And if they can't get you the
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  answers, then you kind of move up the chain of command there.
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  But yeah, I mean it made more sense as he went in there and
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  the gaas are obviously going to be more accessible day-to-day
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  and minute-to-minute than than the even position coaches.
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  Especially. You're probably in the, in the
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  offseason there. So yeah, I definitely understand
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  the answer, even though like the first line kind of like, whoa,
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  whoa, that's that's interesting. But, you know, the explanation
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  makes sense, the explanation makes tons of sense and you know
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  the other pieces it goes back to that.
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  How much support staff do you have?
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  How many gaas do you have? How many analysts do you have?
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  Because the more guys you have like that obviously.
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  You know, four players come in at once and there's one GA and
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  they're all going to talk to him and talk ball and talk shop and
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  things that are going on in their heads.
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  Well, he has for people to think about in four different
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  potential different coaches to go back to the relay.
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  What's going on with those guys again the building of the
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  operation staff is going to help with that because if you have
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  enough staff there, More people to listen, to The Players, to
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  communicate it back to the coaches, when the coaches are
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  in, you know, deep film study or deep recruiting type stuff are
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  on the road for recruiting potentially.
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  So, again, always talking about it again.
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  There's been those reports that the staffs going to get bigger,
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  which is what we need. So it makes sense completely
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  again. It's like one of those things
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  you're in a big company, not many times, can you walk into
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  the vp's office and sit down have a conversation?
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  Can you usually talk into, you know, the operations manager or
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  Financial Manager before you get to go to the big box chair?
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  But that last one, Brian, me and we need to just talk on it.
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  Did that make your eyebrows raised a few minutes ago?
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  It did man talking about what happened with the bowl and
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  Senior from the from the sounds that they've hidden stalking
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  their. It's it's very it seems very
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  much like a situation where the players wanted to play.
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  Yeah. Some power that that is behind
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  the scenes or whether it's coaching staff, whether it's
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  athletic department, whether it's, you know, somewhere else
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  said, you know, we're probably not going to be in this bowl.
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  That's interesting. I know we've, I think heard
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  Whispers as you know, will players voted not to do it or
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  coaches said they weren't going to do it.
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  Like we've heard the gamut of potential reasons why a bowl
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  game wasn't played. You know we I think They've been
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  kind of of the mind that we don't feel like the team earned
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  it. So we were kind of fine with not
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  playing it but it would have been nice to keep the streak
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  going even if it didn't mean as much, but it's interesting
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  getting that perspective. Just because we hadn't heard any
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  player, talk about it directly before.
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  So it was it was interesting to see that that's the case and you
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  know I'm not I don't see any other hard data out there too.
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  To contradict what hidden and saying here.
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  So nah, not at all. There's nothing out there saying
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  and whether it came from coaches coaching staff or leaders of the
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  team. Well, it was going to be what
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  the Military Bowl it was going to be, you know, it was not
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  going to be a bowl of prestige. It was probably going to be a
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  bowl where the guys were going to have to stay on campus for
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  Christmas and after the hell that they've been through with
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  this with this, with covid shit. I'm fine with what they did man.
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  So, yeah, you know, I mean, he talked about he's like, you
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  know, I think most, The players were fine with it because they
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  wanted to get the extra tape. Like, if they play the game,
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  they got an extra game to get tape on it at least against the
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  quality opponent. Even if it's not necessarily A
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  high-level, ranked opponent that you would have liked to seen in
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  a bowl game, but like I said, I would have kind of been good
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  with either way, it's nice to kind of In a way in a season
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  like we had just to go ahead and kind of rip the Band-Aid off on
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  this whole Bowl streak thing and kind of move forward with that.
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  Not the expectations for this past season were We did not
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  close to meeting them. They were high, we didn't come
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  close to meeting them. So if we're, if we're going to
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  rip the Band-Aid off, we might as well do it in a season like
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  this or we've already live the disappointment.
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  Abso-freakin'-lutely. All right.
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  Something else that came out in. This was back on the 16th.
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  So, really just a couple days after we last recorded.
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  The coaching salaries. Now obviously the reduce
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  compensation this year because of covid.
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  They all agreed to take hits. But Brian, let me let's do this.
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  I think this will be a little fun activity.
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  I'm going to give you a coach give you their almost salary,
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  not the adjusted salary. Too much, too little just right,
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  you ready? Yep.
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  Let's roll Jafar Williams, 280 thousand dollars a year.
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  Based on recent history, probably too much much, okay,
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  Vance, Vice 300,000, that's just right, just right, just right
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  Jack, Tyler brand-new 250k. That's just right.
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  I like that disagree with you, on that one.
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  I think Jack needs 25,000 more because we know he can call the
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  game if needed. We'll discuss that later, folks.
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  I'll build Karen Lee 400,000. It's probably a little higher
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  than I'd like but I get, why we're paying him that?
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  Well, I think I see the defensive line in the
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  improvements. We had in that one year.
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  I think he's just right. And if the defensive line
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  continues to improve, I think he deserves a bump.
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  Right here we go. Brian Smith 275.
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  I like it. I like that.
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  He got a bump from where he was. He definitely earned it last
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  year between getting Dorian strong where he was dealing with
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  not having his two best corners the whole year and doing a good
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  job on the recruiting Trail. So I think hearing pump probably
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  could be a little bit higher if you really, you know, if we're
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  being honest, but I get that you can't do, you can't go, but so
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  much on on one year's worth of data.
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  So I'm gonna 75. This is gonna be an interesting
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  one. The next one I'm going to 75
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  maybe giving 20K more P95 but it's not, he's it's not
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  atrocious next year. You know, the Seabees continue
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  to play like they played, especially once he has Pull all
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  season, you better get ready to write an extra 50 to 60 thousand
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  and eight, guys check. All right, you ready?
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  Yep. James shall best four hundred,
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  seventy five thousand dollars. It's high.
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  It's it if you told me he was like 425, I'd probably say maybe
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  just right. You know, we're talking about,
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  he's pretty much up there with. I know we're going to get to the
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  offensive coordinator here in a little bit.
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  He's right there at the offensive coordinator as you
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  know, doing position special teams in a position there.
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  So that seems a little high to me.
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  Seems I put him at 425 and I'd be happy with for 25.
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  It seems extremely high to me now.
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  They are your life. 375 then. Oh yeah.
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  Yes 75 To a hundred thousand dollars.
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  Less. The only way I would say I would
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  approve. This is if he's essentially the
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  associate head coach, have one in title.
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  Right now, Shabbos is probably the most experienced coach on
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  the staff probably and I'm assuming maybe that's why he's
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  getting it, he's not entitled. But technically since he runs
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  special teams, that maybe he's really doing some of the stuff
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  with Justin just not entitle is just in his, it's just in his
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  job description. So but put the title if he's
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  doing that so I can justify 475 if he's not doing that giving
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  375 and spread the 100,000 elsewhere.
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  Alrighty here. All right.
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  Adam lectin Berg. 275,000. I mean with the new role he's
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  taking on, I think that's just right, I can see somewhere
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  between 250 and 275. So Let it ride it 275, I'm good
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  with you know, where he's at right now now.
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  And you kind of say, if he has someone have, let's say he has
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  another fifteen hundred yard rusher next year.
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  Do we need to pay that man? Some more money.
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  I mean, he'll If he if he gets 1,000 yard rusher with the
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  probably more than likely a committee backfield then I mean
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  you definitely got to give him at least a little bump.
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  Up to maybe three, okay. That because that I think that's
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  not only the evaluation that he had to bring in a guy like
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  Herbert and then to have a season like he had within to
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  back that up with Back feel that doesn't have a true lead back as
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  of this moment, you know, if a guy like Holston goes out and
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  gets a thousand yards and you get a, you know, about 750
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  all-purpose from a guy like Blackshear and, you know, a few
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  hundred from from the other guys collectively.
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  I mean, that's a pretty solid fucking coaching job there with
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  talent. That is good.
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  But not necessarily a deleted, any level.
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  Very true JC price walking in brand new 275 and he issues with
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  that. Absolutely not good across the
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  board. I think with having the role
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  that he's going to have in really spearheading the
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  recruiting in the state, probably some of the alumni
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  relations on top of the job. He's gonna be doing working with
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  Bill to your link. I think that's that's definitely
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  justifiable. I'd have been happy with 250 but
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  275 I can't argue with that either.
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  I'm due at 275 to, but again, like a few other guys on this
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  list. You see some let's just say we
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  see three to four top 20 players in Virginia break the Hokies
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  way. He might be asking for some more
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  money next year. Yeah.
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  I think on his front it's going to be the what changes do we see
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  on the recruiting side? Just because with him being co
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  position coach, I don't think even a good output from the
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  defensive line when necessarily warrant a bump.
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  But if you see, you know, the continued output that we saw
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  last year, the offensive line on top of some recruiting.
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  Bumps, that we weren't expecting that.
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  I think you can definitely say okay well this is JC working his
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  magic, you know. Maybe maybe you know you know
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  you're not talking a big boy. Yeah I don't think you put it
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  much above 3 but You know, we'll see where I'd be at.
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  All right, so the next one, before we get into the two
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  coordinators. Let's discuss Ben Hill.
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  Barks. The banking conditioning head,
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  man, So he's a 280, okay. What if I told you that?
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  The top guy in the country is making double what he makes.
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  That's the Bama strength and conditioning coach, and I'm not
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  bad. I'm going to say, I guess that's
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  really two fronts. I think he is relative to that.
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  I think he's learning what he's making that also.
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  Begs the question are we under paying for that role?
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  So, essentially, our we are, we attract not attracting a high
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  level selection in that role because of where our salary is
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  for it. That's I'm not knocking, he'll
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  guard here, but by any stretch I think that he'll guard does a
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  pretty decent job. I think there are shortcomings
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  in some of the things that we do because there are certain
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  position groups that consistently or not.
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  I don't think putting on the good way.
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  Wait, that we'd like to see or at least the consistent good
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  way. That we'd like to see, I think
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  there is very much a not Beachbody mentality, but I think
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  a lot of times we sacrifice, Core strength for, I guess,
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  functional weight, which I think is good, but at some point you
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  got to be bigger faster stronger than the next guy.
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  And Brian, I was incorrect on the top page, strength and
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  conditioning coach is Mickey, Mariota at Ohio State, who is
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  making eight hundred thousand dollars a year.
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  Okay. So yeah, we're pretty much
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  getting what we're paying for them.
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  Yep. Taking a look here.
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  Ben Hill. Guard is Is.
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  Yeah. Where's the ranking in terms of
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  actual position? Because I know there's going to
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  be a big, a big depth of difference between kind of those
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  top-tier Blue Bloods versus your average power.
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  Five straight, you won't see him believe it or not, we're about
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  40th teams, like Virginia, NC State Lewisville, all paying
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  more, So we're honestly right where we are in terms of
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  assisting compensation, we're right, we're right on track with
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  that, with that position as well.
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  So that yeah, yeah. So we're paying, you know, we've
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  got top top 25 expectations with with top 40 investment, ding
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  ding. All right, let's get the last to
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  roll in here. Justin Hamilton six hundred
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  thousand dollars a year. I mean, I'm fine with it.
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  Yeah, I think what happens is season is going to determine
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  whether a lot more about what I think about that.
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  I don't think that we got a really good barometer of how
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  good of a higher, you know, just mammals.
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  It's going to be long term and I think we know that we know the
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  good things and we know that at least in the short term Season 1
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  wasn't the best. But season 1 also wasn't.
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  There wasn't a lot of Installation time for that
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  defense. And there was a lot of time to
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  practice that installation. So I'm trying not to hold that
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  against this season's output on top of all the other issues that
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  the defense in particular dealt with, with covid more so than
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  the offense. So let's look that's a
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  wait-and-see for me. Like I said, I'm fine with it
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  now but it's definitely a wait and see.
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  Once I see what this offseason looks like once next season
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  looks like how the defense adjust what type of, you know,
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  when we talked about the, the presser that he had, some of the
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  okay we'll little bit of addition by subtraction, little
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  bit of streamlining the concepts, keeping some of the
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  concepts that were working with the with with buds defense into
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  the system and just in general making the system that he is
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  implementing. More consistent across the board
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  in terms of the type of communication that's coming from
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  the coaches. So we'll see if that pays
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  dividends on top of actually having a spring practice, on top
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  of having a normal fault, fall Camp.
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  So time until they're absolutely.
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  And last but not least, The Whipping Boy of the podcast,
• 24:52
  right cornelison for ninety thousand dollars.
• 24:58
  Honestly in terms of what boats offensive coordinators get paid.
• 25:02
  I mean he's earning his money we're just not paying enough for
• 25:07
  that position in my opinion. Uh-huh.
• 25:12
  And we're getting what we're paying for Let's hope, you know,
• 25:17
  that discussion of there's more money coming into the program
• 25:22
  for spending those types of money in that and not only.
• 25:29
  It helps the guys who were, you know, really performing here
• 25:32
  where we can get them to adequate level, so they don't
• 25:34
  leave, but those who are not performing, let's hope that's
• 25:39
  able to get them out the door and get an upgrade with
• 25:43
  significantly more money to be paid.
• 25:45
  Yeah. And you know that philosophy if
• 25:47
  we're if we were hiring some new guys just you know, starting
• 25:51
  from scratch, we already have 20 in place but starting from
• 25:53
  scratch, everything else I'd have like 750,000 being the
• 25:59
  minimum starting price for my coordinators.
• 26:02
  Minimum and obviously. Now we kind of think we'll
• 26:06
  strength and conditioning for probably be closer to 400,000 if
• 26:10
  we just, yeah, if we bump that up to 400 and we bumped both of
• 26:15
  the coordinators up to 750 and then, yeah, there would be
• 26:18
  trickle-down. I mean, you're not going to,
• 26:19
  you're not going to pay, what is it close to?
• 26:24
  700,000 for defensive line coach has in that situation.
• 26:29
  Knowledge, might have one guy that you pay 350 or 400
• 26:32
  thousand. It's true.
• 26:34
  But, you know, you kind of take a look at it.
• 26:36
  It's what it's a little over. It's like a half million dollars
• 26:40
  investment and upgrading those positions, it's not like a
• 26:43
  million dollars, you're not if you're not asking for a million
• 26:46
  dollars to those positions levels.
• 26:48
  Right now, you're asking for about a half million and if
• 26:51
  you're looking at that and you're saying, we're going to
• 26:52
  give a put a million Into the coaching pool.
• 26:54
  Well, that feeds a half million dollars down again, the good
• 26:58
  coaches, you pay them and you get probably what Thirty to
• 27:02
  fifty thousand dollar upgrades in the Pacific.
• 27:06
  Maybe the coaches like hey we gotta let him go but now we can
• 27:09
  bring in a three hundred thousand dollar guy and so on
• 27:12
  and so forth. All right, Brian?
• 27:14
  So last few weeks we have got a couple kreutz couple Unrated, at
• 27:20
  the time, they committed since they have gotten Stars.
• 27:24
  Let's start in Virginia. Harrison Saint-Germain out of
• 27:28
  Westfield, High School opened Chantilly rated as a three star
• 27:32
  tight end, you looked at the tape on him just a little while
• 27:38
  ago. Brine my getting Dalton or am I
• 27:40
  getting a gap? You're good to look.
• 27:44
  Somewhat somebody that's a little bit closer to James
• 27:46
  Mitchell in terms of skill set. Um, not quite as obviously at
• 27:51
  the top end of any category necessarily like that, but I
• 27:56
  will say he's blocking at least out.
• 27:57
  The gate is probably a little bit closer to what you would get
• 28:00
  with dolls and but he's definitely more of a Joker Style
• 28:05
  tight end that has the ability to block in line as well.
• 28:10
  Pretty good with his hands runs, pretty clean routes and like I
• 28:14
  said, blocks pretty well in line and in space, Not a bad player.
• 28:20
  I think, you know, it's kind of one of those things where we
• 28:25
  keep finding these. I'm not going to say diamond in
• 28:27
  the rough but guys that are under recruited and we're going
• 28:31
  to see a lot of this this year just because there hasn't been
• 28:35
  any any Junior table any of these guys.
• 28:40
  So there's going to be a lot of evaluations that look funky at
• 28:45
  first, but the more we get From whether they have a fall season
• 28:49
  like some of these guys from Virginia and some other states,
• 28:52
  or we start actually getting camps this summer, these guys
• 28:56
  are going to do. We're going to see weird jumps
• 28:59
  and ratings. We're going to see guys that are
• 29:01
  completely unrelated. All of a sudden jump to, like a
• 29:03
  high three-star, like right out the gate.
• 29:06
  So we're going to see a lot of funky stuff guys.
• 29:08
  So, I mean don't don't necessarily freaked out because
• 29:12
  a commit doesn't have, you know, three or four star next to their
• 29:16
  name. When we're starting to either
• 29:19
  see flirtations or when we see their verbal commitment, come
• 29:23
  through. Because, right now, a lot of
• 29:25
  these kids, just they have so little evaluation that.
• 29:29
  If the guys that we if our evaluations are correct, it's
• 29:34
  going to be a really good thing for us, so that's going to be
• 29:38
  the question though, is, are we getting the good evaluations
• 29:40
  here? Guys?
• 29:41
  Like Adam Lichtenberg have done a good job of evaluating talent
• 29:45
  and getting guys that fit well in the system, whether ER, it's
• 29:48
  guys with a four star next to their name or guys with a three
• 29:51
  star or even a fringe Fringe to Star coming in and guys in the
• 29:56
  transfer portal. So there's going to be a lot of
• 29:58
  opportunities to make some moves here on guys that have been
• 30:04
  under evaluated and under recruited through this point in
• 30:08
  the cycle. And we've got like,
• 30:12
  Saint-Germain, obviously, Westfield, not only Westfield,
• 30:16
  State of Virginia, in general are playing right now.
• 30:19
  So, you know, stuff you've seen on tape, if they one of those
• 30:24
  guys, he's like an 80 me get back there at him up.
• 30:27
  Sorry, all for doing it for us. Everything everything.
• 30:34
  You know, he's rated as an 84 composite and then in 83 by
• 30:42
  24/7. But again, he's about to get
• 30:46
  Junior tape as a really good Junior season and probably five
• 30:50
  six games, but it'd be a two-point bump to the mid 80s.
• 30:54
  And then if he has a, if their camps and he has a good camp,
• 30:59
  You know, you seen things on, take that already say he's
• 31:02
  already blocking it which is great for a Titan him.
• 31:05
  He has a potential to be a joker phone.
• 31:07
  You tell me a joker but he blocks good.
• 31:10
  You know, he be getting closer to that 88-89 you know.
• 31:16
  But in those glasses going to have the opportunity and you
• 31:19
  know obviously for him he'll have this then it'll have next
• 31:23
  fall as well to get re-evaluated.
• 31:25
  Yeah but let's come to one more brine brother already on the
• 31:28
  team and Brian Raylan more. There's a gene that runs in
• 31:34
  their family, huh? Huh.
• 31:36
  Yes, they got the nasty Jean. This guy really likes to get
• 31:42
  after it in the trenches finish blocks.
• 31:45
  Take guys to the dirt, get the pancakes.
• 31:48
  So I like that element of his game, kind of, I'd say, raw,
• 31:54
  especially in past Pro, so hopefully that we can clean that
• 31:58
  up moving from tackle, which is what he's been primarily playing
• 32:03
  in high school down into guard more than likely with us.
• 32:06
  Us is going to help that. So you know, we'll look to see
• 32:10
  how that goes. He also played defensive end in
• 32:13
  a three-man front system in his high school so he's got DN
• 32:17
  capability. Probably three technique
• 32:20
  d-tackle for us, if in our system, but more than likely,
• 32:25
  he's going to be playing on the offensive side of the ball at
• 32:27
  the guard position solid. Pick up.
• 32:31
  I mean nothing to necessarily Get excited about but I mean
• 32:37
  very solid pick up and I like I said I think from a run game
• 32:41
  perspective and just to having that nasty Gene you like having
• 32:43
  guys like that on your roster. Absolutely, and he's three star
• 32:48
  rated 84 and I'm not sure if Pennsylvania, obviously, it's
• 32:53
  one of those things. Not sure if they're playing a.
• 32:59
  Spring season or not. You know because so many states
• 33:03
  it's up and down and it's really made say this I'm going to keep
• 33:06
  more of an eye on Virginia than I am anybody and you know,
• 33:11
  because if they played great the tapes out there, he'll have a
• 33:15
  senior season again we need your brother's continues at Virginia
• 33:21
  Tech. You know, his biggest offer
• 33:24
  essentially at this point in time long, Virginia Tech's Not a
• 33:29
  great offer list. Well, I'm not going to say, no,
• 33:32
  I don't like that. Lot of some Matt schools, you
• 33:36
  know, some AAC schools and stuff like that but again, it's
• 33:41
  awkward. With just the way everything's
• 33:45
  going. The one thing about st.
• 33:47
  Germain. Run that will catch your eye.
• 33:50
  Not a huge offer list. The most catching one.
• 33:53
  Wake Forest. Yep.
• 33:56
  We know that at that is diamond in the rough.
• 33:59
  You? Yes, I Brian.
• 34:03
  Let's move on man. You know over the last few
• 34:06
  weeks. Our coaches have been talking to
• 34:10
  the Press. Now, this shit you say, But
• 34:16
  there's no point in that there was some disappointment in
• 34:20
  there. No one has known about them
• 34:23
  talking until we're sitting here.
• 34:26
  I'm working in his home office, me working in my home office,
• 34:29
  stop check the Twitter sphere, Andy bitter might nozzoli or you
• 34:34
  know, one of the other beat writers puts on there.
• 34:36
  And this coach said this, we're, we're having they haven't
• 34:41
  processors today. We're gonna discuss this in a
• 34:44
  few months. us with a individual that is much more into this
• 34:51
  stuff than we are and our depth of it discussing this in a way
• 34:56
  that Comes from an area of expertise than we are.
• 35:00
  We're novices but we kind of see, we see what's not
• 35:05
  happening. She can explain.
• 35:06
  What should be happening? A lot better than weekend.
• 35:10
  What our assessment is though is that when we look at something
• 35:14
  like this so you've got you know, set handful of coaches
• 35:18
  that are talking to the media. You've got a couple players
• 35:22
  here. They're talking to the media,
• 35:24
  but I don't know about. I mean, I follow Virginia Tech
• 35:27
  at WebEx as close as probably I'd say.
• 35:30
  I'm at least in the, you know what a percentile I'm in.
• 35:35
  The 90th percentile of people that that follow Virginia Tech
• 35:38
  football in particular, in Virginia Tech Athletics in
• 35:41
  general. I should know before I see
• 35:45
  tweets from. You know, might be Daniel and
• 35:50
  Andy bitter and Mike Barber. At least I should know that this
• 35:56
  interview is going to be taking place.
• 35:57
  I should know, because the official Virginia Tech Twitter
• 36:00
  account should let me know. Hey, these guys are speaking to
• 36:04
  Media today that way, even if you're not live streaming, it
• 36:08
  even if you're not making it immediately available to fans,
• 36:12
  should they can say okay, well this is happening.
• 36:16
  I'm going to follow might be Daniels Twitter today, or I'm
• 36:20
  gonna follow ND bitters Twitter today to see what's happening at
• 36:22
  this press conference. Not just Oh, I happen to find on
• 36:25
  the timeline and then like two days later, you end up sharing
• 36:29
  the video where it's on demand on Okie sports.
• 36:32
  Like, these are layups to Bill Hite for your program.
• 36:37
  These are layups free-throws. Whatever fucking analogy you
• 36:41
  want to have 44 easy. This is the easy stuff.
• 36:45
  If you want us to be engaged in hokey football and be excited
• 36:49
  about the upcoming season, hype up the opportunities that you
• 36:54
  are presenting Going to get closer to these new coaches in
• 36:57
  some cases or coaches that we, that have been around.
• 37:00
  But we haven't really heard from very much or players that we
• 37:03
  haven't heard from very much. I mean, Luke's a new to spoke
• 37:06
  with the media. I don't think he's spoken with
• 37:08
  the media is entire time and Virginia Tech and no, I didn't
• 37:12
  know about it until it was on hokey sports.
• 37:14
  Like it was a day later, like, what's the You know, I'm not
• 37:21
  saying that everything has to be immediately accessible.
• 37:24
  I get that there is a give and take with that because my
• 37:29
  perspective is that it's better to be be live because if someone
• 37:34
  does take it out of context, you can present the entire video in
• 37:37
  context in order to justify it. I get that mistakes happen with
• 37:41
  live video. You want to have as much control
• 37:44
  of the content as possible. So I get that aspect of it and
• 37:48
  that's why I'm okay with the tape too.
• 37:50
  They even if I personally disagree with what I'm not.
• 37:53
  Okay, with is not hyping it up at all.
• 37:57
  That's what I'm not. Okay.
• 37:58
  All I'm going to say is this when we get that interview that
• 38:03
  that is going to be a fire interview, that's all I'm going
• 38:05
  to say. And let's move on.
• 38:07
  Let's move on. We're going to store Brian Smith
• 38:10
  first run. Think the most interesting thing
• 38:13
  that you that came to Bryant rot from one of the most interesting
• 38:16
  things that came from Ron Smith right off.
• 38:18
  The bat was basically him sort of laying out that DJ Harvey
• 38:22
  lies, you Howard night Johnson. Are going to basically be
• 38:28
  starting at corner. He also mentioned a dears
• 38:31
  Thompson, has stayed with the corners, and Mike Hawkins is
• 38:33
  officially a safety, any shot their Brawn, and he, you know,
• 38:38
  isn't what in this Norm defensive?
• 38:40
  Yeah, that's going to be the norm mean.
• 38:42
  This is kind of like a stress test.
• 38:44
  Let's think about it, that way. Any guy that you think has the
• 38:48
  ability to play corner, you want to put them in that group,
• 38:51
  first, as kind of a stress, test to see, can they handle it?
• 38:55
  There can can that work? Unless there's an absolute need
• 38:59
  at a given position in the secondary.
• 39:03
  So, with that being said, it doesn't surprise me that that
• 39:06
  some of these guys are starting out at cornerback even if that's
• 39:09
  not going to be their final position.
• 39:11
  You know talking about nadir made a note that you spit that I
• 39:16
  know that you know when he was called upon especially in the
• 39:18
  Duke game you played a pretty good game that we had some other
• 39:24
  spot duties at cornerback On top of playing special teams pretty
• 39:29
  heavily last year. So I think he's going to be a
• 39:31
  guy that's going to be in that in that rotation in that
• 39:34
  discussion for kind of a too deep or rotational type duties
• 39:39
  for us coming in 2021. Love seeing, you know, it's not
• 39:45
  a shocker that DJ Harvey's going to be cornerback for us.
• 39:47
  That's what recruited him as that's.
• 39:49
  That's where he plays. Yeah, I really like what DJ is
• 39:54
  bringing to the table, in terms of talent.
• 39:56
  So I'm looking forward to And what he can do with, with Ryan
• 39:59
  Smith with the with the, the coming fall camp and I like the
• 40:04
  Nike Johnson's already working with them in the spring, so
• 40:07
  that's going to be good for him. Oh, absolutely.
• 40:10
  But you know something that he mentioned, you know, essentially
• 40:13
  he was going into last year expecting to have, you know, two
• 40:16
  of the top five corners in the ACC, to essentially D top Corner
• 40:21
  in the country and then Jermaine have been rated with like top 12
• 40:25
  year before. And Obviously, what happened
• 40:28
  with Caleb opting out, and then Jermaine getting banged and
• 40:30
  essentially being banged and unable to play to his potential,
• 40:33
  the rest of the year turn, guys. Like Dorian strong, the nadir
• 40:37
  Thompson's Brian Murray's. So what we could have been
• 40:42
  looking at this year, as a super green room is actually a I mean
• 40:46
  a pretty experienced room sort of top to bottom along with
• 40:50
  adding those kind of young guys into the mix really like that.
• 40:55
  Really like that because he was making the point of like You
• 40:57
  know, I don't have to do a trial by fire with these guys.
• 41:02
  Yeah, I mean, you had a trial by fire in the season that
• 41:05
  everything was a trial by fire. So, exactly, it's kind of nice
• 41:09
  having having a little bit of experience at that position that
• 41:13
  you know, you thought you were going to have last year that
• 41:15
  didn't come to fruition. And like I said, he would even
• 41:19
  if a perfect scenario last year would have occurred, you still
• 41:22
  would have been dealing with guys, like, Dorian strong,
• 41:25
  probably getting way more reps than you would have been.
• 41:27
  Comfortable with at the start of the Season, despite how, well he
• 41:32
  jumped in there and held up. So, I like, I like, what we're,
• 41:37
  I like knowing how what happened in 2020, I feel better going
• 41:44
  into this season, knowing what we have behind Jermaine Waller,
• 41:51
  versus how I felt last year, not really knowing what we had
• 41:54
  behind, Caleb and Jermaine. Nope, so feel better that that's
• 41:59
  just me. But, you know, he did, he
• 42:03
  mention quick with Jermaine that.
• 42:04
  Basically, you know, he couldn't speak to the injuries itself and
• 42:08
  we get that. That's a lot of stuff.
• 42:10
  But, you know, he mentioned how, you know, he's been crushing the
• 42:14
  all-season very self-motivated and he's becoming a leader in
• 42:17
  that room. Again, we go back to last year
• 42:20
  Jermaine was there, sort of taking over that role and maybe
• 42:24
  having a season of not being able to play being in those guys
• 42:29
  ears. Have now made him the alpha, Of
• 42:31
  that room. Yeah, and I mean, let's think
• 42:34
  about it this way. Caleb didn't opt out until late.
• 42:36
  So Jermaine, whether whether by choice or not was kind of all of
• 42:41
  a sudden, the de facto Elder Statesman in that room, and now
• 42:45
  he gets an offseason to grow into that role versus it being
• 42:48
  thrust upon Him due to the situation with covid and Caleb
• 42:53
  opting out. So I think that's going to be
• 42:55
  good for him. It sounds like he's taking over
• 42:58
  that leadership role. And it's going to be good to get
• 43:01
  him back on the field in the leadership role versus more or
• 43:03
  less what he was doing last season as having kind of a off
• 43:07
  the field or he's, you know, semi present leadership role
• 43:13
  because he was so often. I do either not available or
• 43:17
  when he was available he was limited having him be on the
• 43:22
  field and hopefully be you know up to full strength is going to
• 43:24
  be good for us. Going to be absolutely great for
• 43:28
  swear on. Now we already mentioned And
• 43:29
  that Smith got the pay bump and kind of one reason he got the
• 43:33
  pay bump mother, you say or not, they gave him the title passing
• 43:35
  game coordinator and brown. I know what kind of caught your
• 43:39
  ear was about and he got that role but it was kind of how he's
• 43:44
  built the where he's gotten to here, you know, his kind of
• 43:49
  talked about his journey which was really a good poignant
• 43:52
  thing. Yes, he talked about being
• 43:56
  having GA roles that kind of helped him move in to where he
• 44:01
  is now between GA rolls with William and Mary and Penn State
• 44:06
  working at JMU with a Powerhouse program at that level.
• 44:12
  I mean, he's kind of kind of seen a lot of things from for a
• 44:16
  guy that's relatively young and still up and coming at the
• 44:20
  cornerback coaching position of secondary coaching position.
• 44:23
  Um, and I think that that's why you saw, you know, essentially
• 44:28
  what happened going into NC State with him, being tapped as
• 44:33
  the the play caller, emergency play caller.
• 44:36
  If J Hamm is out there. So I think that that was a
• 44:41
  pretty big, big thing, because he was the backup signal caller
• 44:45
  before J, Hamm knew that he had covid.
• 44:49
  So this was something that was planned.
• 44:51
  Well, in advance of the emergency situation that that
• 44:55
  resulted in that being what they went with.
• 44:58
  So that speaks a lot to the trust that they have in Smith as
• 45:03
  a young coach it, absolutely, especially being the second in
• 45:08
  command on that, you know, the play calling thing, but then you
• 45:11
  start, you know, I think you mentioned it but Get letting him
• 45:16
  try different things in his room as a young coach.
• 45:20
  I'm sure there are a lot of young coaches that it's
• 45:22
  basically, you need to follow the script.
• 45:24
  This is what you do where you already said it.
• 45:27
  They trust him they're giving it open.
• 45:30
  Okay. Something else, they trust them
• 45:31
  with Brian. They trust him with Virginia
• 45:32
  recruiting to the line of stuck out.
• 45:35
  We want to keep the Virginia boys home, the man at resonated
• 45:40
  as I was as we were listening to it discuss JC about JC's,
• 45:45
  experience up and down the 95 Corridor and Richmond and Nova
• 45:52
  64 eastbound I-64 Corridor down the 75.
• 45:59
  Like if you listen to that, he's speaking the language to
• 46:01
  Virginia. Those are the corridors.
• 46:03
  Those are the areas we need to recruit big and it seems like
• 46:09
  they're locked in on it for this year.
• 46:11
  They're locked in on VA. I'll yeah.
• 46:14
  I mean, I think him and JC, you're going to do some, some
• 46:17
  pretty big things. Because Smith seems like a
• 46:20
  really good communicator. JC is a good communicator.
• 46:23
  He's got a ton of contacts especially with the High School
• 46:26
  coaches you know, good Avenues to pursue and you know,
• 46:32
  relationships to cultivate and I think that's going to be a big
• 46:35
  thing and you know, we haven't seen the success.
• 46:38
  Is that we'd like to see recruiting Virginia in the last
• 46:41
  few years and you know, whether we see it come to fruition or
• 46:45
  not. You at least know, they're
• 46:48
  doubling down on it. The emphasis has there and
• 46:52
  that's a start. That's, that's something to
• 46:54
  build off of. Absolutely definitely something
• 46:57
  big to build off of. And again, you've got to
• 47:02
  Homegrown guys with Smith and ham, obviously, JC with all the
• 47:07
  connections between playing it Tech being a ga attack.
• 47:12
  Coaching at JM using coach of it Marshall.
• 47:14
  He's basically been part of this state for 25 plus years.
• 47:19
  So yeah, we're getting more on him a little bit.
• 47:23
  Oh yes. But let's next let's go to Adam
• 47:25
  like them Berg. Hey Brian.
• 47:28
  How many are you running backs? We got, we got a fuck ton of
• 47:32
  running backs, man. I don't know if that's like a
• 47:35
  unit of measurement that we can count here, but I'm going to
• 47:38
  call it a fuck ton and it is and I love Of what he said, man.
• 47:43
  He was very kind of upfront. Like, oh, wait Smith on the mic,
• 47:48
  I'm real like tandberg. I think shocked me and Brian,
• 47:51
  you know, no notes in front of them, but very, very articulate,
• 47:55
  very to-the-point knowledge base, very knowledge, straight
• 47:59
  straight forward to like straight shooter didn't like
• 48:02
  didn't didn't get down rabbit holes or anything like that.
• 48:05
  Very to-the-point but but explained himself very well.
• 48:10
  I love what you talked about the crowded back there to get asked
• 48:12
  about it. And basically said he wants to
• 48:14
  have a full evaluation of all the running backs in the spring,
• 48:18
  you know, and basically an organization of the running
• 48:23
  back, every rep is important. Every mistake is important to
• 48:26
  his guys, but he, he made something when he after he said,
• 48:31
  that sort of stuff. Because, you know, somebody
• 48:34
  asked about the portal and he was just like, you know what?
• 48:36
  After this spring You don't hear this often.
• 48:41
  We're going to have open and honest conversation with every
• 48:43
  running back in the room. Which I to me, you don't hear
• 48:47
  coaches, say that at all because I he's telling them he's going
• 48:52
  to tell guys. Yep, hey, you're stepping up.
• 48:54
  You might not be on the too deep this year or getting a lot of
• 48:57
  reps. But you're working there or
• 48:59
  listen, you might need to you might need to get in the
• 49:02
  Portland. Yeah I mean and I think that's a
• 49:05
  big thing. He talked about a couple guys
• 49:07
  that have the potential ability to make position change choices
• 49:12
  at the end of the spring and then some guys that he's just
• 49:14
  going to have opened. A conversation like amen.
• 49:17
  You know, you're not touching the four or five deep at running
• 49:22
  back here so you're probably not going to be getting any reps
• 49:24
  come this fall. You're here are some choices you
• 49:27
  can do, you can stick it out, you know, whatever.
• 49:29
  Maybe you know, you can see what the transfer portal holes or you
• 49:32
  can look at change of positions and get an opportunity, either
• 49:36
  on the other side of the ball or at another position on offense,
• 49:39
  whether it's wide receiver, or something else.
• 49:41
  But just having this, I mean, that's that's a good.
• 49:45
  That's refreshing to hear from me because it sounds like we're
• 49:48
  going to really try to get this running back room where it needs
• 49:53
  to be and it's going to start with the spring and really
• 49:56
  seeing what all these guys can bring to the table.
• 49:58
  Because I know I've said it on here before it's hard to get
• 50:03
  those type of evaluations in the fall.
• 50:05
  You're you're focusing so much on who were my best three to
• 50:10
  four guys at the position and not looking at, you know, the
• 50:14
  down Channel situation and we were already thick at running
• 50:19
  back going into fall, but there wasn't a whole lot of
• 50:21
  evaluation. And so, many of the guys that we
• 50:23
  were bringing on where either transfers or freshman, or green
• 50:28
  guys that are coming from giucose and things like that.
• 50:32
  So, If there wasn't a lot of that evaluation that could take
• 50:35
  place last year and getting a chance to do that.
• 50:37
  With such a crowded back. Feel is going to be nice because
• 50:41
  will at least be able to know we have Beyond you know the first
• 50:45
  two to three guys and see if there's some guys that may fit
• 50:49
  somewhere else and guys that can open up roster spots that we can
• 50:52
  fill with, with other need positions, because we can't keep
• 50:56
  doing this thing where we load up on, you know, Exposition one
• 51:00
  year and we opposition the next year and then N.
• 51:03
  You know, put ourselves in a situation where we're thin at
• 51:06
  certain positions every year going into the new season, true
• 51:12
  well, Brian. He also said something that
• 51:14
  absolutely got you a static as we were listening to it.
• 51:21
  Yes, he did. Apparently we're to be working
• 51:26
  with with, to back looks in the spring two of them.
• 51:31
  Is as I sent Brian. Go on, let's go.
• 51:38
  Tell me more, tell me more. Yeah, so I'll be we had talked
• 51:44
  about. I will take a Victory lap on
• 51:46
  this. I know I've already taken a
• 51:47
  small one earlier on the court, Nelson situation within and
• 51:51
  hooker, but I will take another Victory lap on, you know,
• 51:55
  someone that said before Blackshear even got his waiver,
• 51:59
  that we need to be looking at 21 Personnel, a lot and using the
• 52:08
  Back as kind of a hybrid Wing slot.
• 52:10
  Receiver that can also do some things out of the backfield.
• 52:15
  We've got Blackshear on the roster.
• 52:17
  Now we're bringing in a guy, like, chance, black going
• 52:20
  forward. We've got a couple other guys
• 52:22
  that are versatile, that can do stuff in that type of situation.
• 52:27
  Let's take advantage of that, let's not.
• 52:30
  Let's not pigeonhole guys into. Okay, well, you're a running
• 52:34
  back. So you have to carry the ball
• 52:35
  out of the backfield in inside and outside Zone, like it was so
• 52:42
  and I'll be I was glad that we finally, the last, what?
• 52:45
  Two or three games got Blackshear more involved in the
• 52:48
  passing game from the slot position in from the wing and
• 52:52
  doing things that weren't just, you know, you line up next to
• 52:55
  the quarterback and take the hand off.
• 52:58
  So, I mean that was nice but you know, I like that he's still
• 53:02
  gonna be working out of the running back room, but the fact
• 53:06
  that we're going to be doing different things with black
• 53:09
  sharing with other guys of the similar type of skill set.
• 53:13
  Whether that's Keshawn king or chance, black, or anybody else?
• 53:17
  Yeah, that's only going to pay dividends for us.
• 53:20
  I mean, there's no downside to that.
• 53:22
  And one thing, you all the black sheer thing that always got you,
• 53:25
  I wish it coach, I don't care if it was one thick or Nielsen like
• 53:29
  them Burg someone would have came out.
• 53:31
  And just kind of said, the blacks here thing and basically
• 53:34
  said, you know, He was, he was essentially Goering, it's so
• 53:40
  late. It was just too late for us, but
• 53:44
  Brian, we had this discussion, is this, we were talking about
• 53:46
  that. Well, here's the thing, you have
• 53:49
  some guys who are maybe not a carbon copy Of Raheem
• 53:56
  Blackshear, but they could do some of the things he did and
• 53:59
  it's sort of me. And you started discussing, it's
• 54:01
  like, why wouldn't you start essentially showing looks giving
• 54:05
  those guys out of interchanging with, Rahim, to me, it says
• 54:11
  something about certain people of the coaching staff.
• 54:14
  Not being, you know up here, not thinking like that.
• 54:19
  But neither here nor there, somebody should have just said
• 54:21
  that it would have a made Brian less pissed off during certain
• 54:25
  games. Next year and you know things
• 54:28
  like that. Brian he he mentioned a couple
• 54:31
  things, you know, Jalen Holtzman.
• 54:33
  Obviously we feel generous probably, you know, that name is
• 54:37
  gonna be penciled in at the top of the list away here and
• 54:39
  especially the back half of the season but he hit Omar Ali and
• 54:43
  he hit on Keshawn King. What were your thoughts about?
• 54:46
  You know, how he discussed those two guys.
• 54:50
  Yeah, I mean the big thing that stood out for me with Marco Lee
• 54:53
  and this kind of explains why maybe he didn't get as many
• 54:56
  looks until late in the season last year is that he was still
• 55:00
  learning the system, especially what the running back does.
• 55:05
  When they don't have their, have the football in their hands.
• 55:09
  And that makes a lot of sense in terms of a guy, like Marco
• 55:11
  coming into the system, you know?
• 55:16
  I'll compare him a little bit with rain Blackshear who while
• 55:20
  he didn't learn the system. He had been in a system that he
• 55:24
  had to do all those things already.
• 55:27
  He had to work without the football weather from the slot
• 55:31
  position or from the running back position.
• 55:33
  So he was little bit more seasoned and ready to contribute
• 55:38
  even though he wasn't necessarily a master of this
• 55:40
  current system, whereas a guy like Marco Lee is for the most
• 55:44
  part, Learning a lot of. The things that he does without
• 55:50
  the football in his hands, for the first time, he's never done
• 55:53
  it in a college football game at this level.
• 55:56
  So, that's something that's going to take some time to come
• 55:59
  along and especially not having spring having a very different
• 56:04
  fall camp. And let's talk about fall Camp
• 56:06
  because you talked about it with the black sheer thing.
• 56:12
  Fall Camp, reps are finite and you're trying to find.
• 56:18
  Kind of the best two or three guys, you can put on the field.
• 56:21
  So at the running back position in this is where the black sure
• 56:25
  thing. Your talk about makes more
• 56:26
  sense. The waiver didn't come in till
• 56:29
  late. You didn't until you got the
• 56:33
  waiver. You couldn't justify taking reps
• 56:35
  from other guys. Just to put blacks you're out
• 56:39
  there for X number of reps or whatever.
• 56:41
  The second team reps are and all that stuff.
• 56:44
  You know, you had Keshawn King that probably came in at a
• 56:48
  weight that you weren't comfortable with is him being
• 56:50
  the primary spell back. He had some other injuries, he
• 56:53
  was dealing with. There was a several several
• 56:56
  things that were going on for Keyshawn King.
• 57:00
  You had everybody else other than Jalen Holston that was
• 57:04
  very, very green. In this system.
• 57:08
  So I mean if you say there's a misstep in all of this, in terms
• 57:12
  of who got carries who got touches etc etc.
• 57:16
  In 2020 Holston, not getting as many touches early as probably
• 57:20
  the the most egregious error here, everything else is
• 57:25
  explainable. So that's kind of what I based
• 57:30
  on the conversation that Lichtenberg had with the media.
• 57:33
  That's kind of where I came out. Yeah.
• 57:38
  In, you know, but that is what it was last year.
• 57:41
  You know, you you was on the Fly and we went five and six, it was
• 57:46
  not the expectations we wanted. We did have a bunch of new guys
• 57:49
  there. Maybe, maybe that truly
• 57:52
  satisfying. The eight ball.
• 57:52
  Maybe I'm trying to be an optimist right now, but
• 57:55
  something, you know, I was critical of the Luxembourg
• 57:58
  higher didn't like it, but as you start reading more and more
• 58:02
  and you start listening to him, I mean, he grinded his ass off.
• 58:06
  Yep. Big time I mean he's been in
• 58:10
  admin roles, he's been in GA roles, he's been in.
• 58:16
  I mean 12 years until you get your first position coach role
• 58:21
  and doing a bunch of different things.
• 58:23
  Yes, off the field and behind the scenes.
• 58:27
  So, I mean there's been a lot of things that he's seen and I
• 58:31
  think, Of anybody. He's kind of got a better CEO
• 58:35
  type vision of at least, from the offensive side of things.
• 58:39
  Than even, you know, your coordinator has probably
• 58:43
  probably better than anybody other than 20 on the staff.
• 58:46
  True. And he loves football.
• 58:48
  There's are you don't if you guys look at his journey started
• 58:52
  in 2007, but he's probably in his mid-20s.
• 58:57
  Two. Now that guy loves football,
• 59:00
  there is not a doubt about that and you know, Brian wrote down
• 59:05
  this quote, and basically, he's been grinding his whole life,
• 59:10
  you know? And to have somebody like that
• 59:13
  with that mentality He Walked on it.
• 59:15
  Nebraska again, his personality on the microphone, it's kind of
• 59:21
  impressive. He mentioned his parents were
• 59:22
  teachers, so obviously paying for all these important people,
• 59:27
  you know, talks about the recruiting game being 24/7
• 59:30
  non-stop. You can't stop.
• 59:33
  You know, I'm if he puts out another 1,000 yard, rusher in a
• 59:39
  bind said earlier, maybe I have to store born the like den Berg
• 59:44
  trains. All right, let's move on the
• 59:48
  lowest man on the totem pole. Currently Jack, Tyler, you know,
• 59:53
  first of all those Tracy plays doing last year that Jack Tyler
• 59:56
  was the emergency emergency play caller.
• 59:59
  You know, all Smith was the emergency play caller as
• 1:00:02
  Discussed earlier. You know that's still a head
• 1:00:07
  scratcher for me but I mean that that's a different discussion or
• 1:00:11
  but yeah, we're was Clays. And why was Clay's not giving
• 1:00:15
  this responsibility. So like I'm not sure if Clay's
• 1:00:19
  showed up and just didn't give a shit or he wasn't there or what
• 1:00:23
  like Tracy. Claeys you obviously a good
• 1:00:25
  coach like you don't have the length career and success that
• 1:00:30
  Clays has without being a pretty.
• 1:00:32
  Decent, and respectable coach. I know he was coaching number
• 1:00:36
  one out of position in terms of what he's traditionally.
• 1:00:40
  Coached number two, In a situation where he's more of a
• 1:00:47
  mentor versus a leader which may be just a different Dynamic from
• 1:00:52
  him, whatever it was, it didn't work.
• 1:00:55
  And you know this is definitely an addition by subtraction
• 1:00:59
  situation in my mind getting Jack as the primary linebacker
• 1:01:02
  coach. Absolutely and again jack that
• 1:01:06
  guy walked on then became a starred in Mike linebacker has
• 1:01:10
  essentially again. You know, he worked his way,
• 1:01:15
  went to JMU came back here in the way it's down in the
• 1:01:19
  interview. He had a potential chance last
• 1:01:21
  year at maybe taking a lower jaw, but he decided to stay
• 1:01:25
  again. The Lure of Virginia Tech, we
• 1:01:29
  talked about a talked about 420 in a very high regard.
• 1:01:33
  Talked about him as a Amir coaches.
• 1:01:34
  Anyone in the program is on the right track and I know these
• 1:01:39
  guys are, we may judge about that.
• 1:01:47
  I better see Improvement that be terrible.
• 1:01:57
  But talked about himself. As a coach you want to try to
• 1:02:01
  stay even Keel. Never too high, never to do.
• 1:02:04
  Get caught up in the moment mature room.
• 1:02:07
  You know, you know, he's essentially trying to take his
• 1:02:12
  plane self, bringing it to a coaching self.
• 1:02:15
  What I hope he can do with the guys.
• 1:02:17
  We have, because we've got a good core right now.
• 1:02:21
  Who are so much physically more gifted than Jack ever was, but
• 1:02:26
  if they can get the mind of Jack, Tyler, and Dax and
• 1:02:31
  Tisdale's, and Dean's and key, Sean's bodies, that's gonna be a
• 1:02:37
  nasty room and I know that is a key to Springs.
• 1:02:41
  Getting the depth back in that room.
• 1:02:44
  For this year. Yeah, yeah, that definitely
• 1:02:47
  that. And, I mean, he talked about,
• 1:02:49
  you know, talked about Dax talked about Tisdale, he said
• 1:02:53
  for Tisdale, you know, sky's the limit for him as a player.
• 1:02:56
  He's put on some good weight, this spring for the 2019, yeah,
• 1:03:02
  yeah. In a month.
• 1:03:04
  Yeah. But apparently, you know,
• 1:03:08
  maturing in terms of how he's approaching the game.
• 1:03:11
  How is approaching preparation for practice and for, Four
• 1:03:14
  games. So I think that's going to be
• 1:03:16
  important in terms of his growth because I mean, we talked about
• 1:03:19
  it on the podcast a lot of times in 2020.
• 1:03:24
  It wasn't so much that Tisdale looked even with his weight
• 1:03:28
  overmatched is that he wasn't where he needed to be.
• 1:03:33
  It looked like he didn't really, he wasn't comfortable in the
• 1:03:36
  scheme at all. There were moments where he was
• 1:03:40
  there. He was disruptive but when he
• 1:03:43
  wasn't, it, totally created a big chunk play for the other
• 1:03:47
  offense. So, you know, getting more
• 1:03:50
  preparation in there. And I think he said the
• 1:03:52
  maturity, I know he had a son, what?
• 1:03:55
  Right at the end of the season or so that definitely, we can
• 1:04:01
  speak to that. That definitely matures you
• 1:04:03
  pretty quick. So you can even if you have one
• 1:04:05
  at 29 like me and you're still just a man show.
• 1:04:08
  Child but it'll mature you up real quick.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah so so for sure they're talked about Dax and sliding
• 1:04:17
  into Mike and that's going to be a big move for him.
• 1:04:19
  I know we've talked about that a little bit earlier in some of
• 1:04:24
  the other things we were talking about.
• 1:04:27
  For the, for the offseason grades and stuff like that.
• 1:04:29
  But Dax moving to Mike is going to be big for his improved and I
• 1:04:35
  think you're going to see a pretty big jump in the quality
• 1:04:37
  of his play. I don't think you're going to
• 1:04:40
  see quite as many decks haters out there and I get the decks
• 1:04:44
  hate. I gotta understand it.
• 1:04:48
  It's definitely, I mean there's there's elements of like, the
• 1:04:51
  whole the fanbase doesn't help it because the fanbase embraced
• 1:04:57
  him right away and sometimes when you put a guy on a pedestal
• 1:05:02
  that hasn't put the product on the field to earn necessarily
• 1:05:07
  that recognition, there's there's blowback, right?
• 1:05:10
  You see it all the time you saw with Tim Tebow, for example in
• 1:05:13
  the NFL. I mean there's so many classic
• 1:05:16
  examples of guys that They get put on a pedestal based on
• 1:05:20
  whether it's character, whether it's their recruiting rankings,
• 1:05:23
  whether it's, you know, how they play out the gate, whatever it
• 1:05:28
  is, they get elevated to an expectation level out the gate.
• 1:05:32
  And then when they don't want some of those expectations going
• 1:05:35
  forward, Yeah, you get you get some blowback from certain parts
• 1:05:39
  of the fan base and there's a me some people that's that, you
• 1:05:42
  know, keep him on there and that's where that friction is
• 1:05:44
  created. Right?
• 1:05:45
  So we've got guys, it's that's still keep Dax at this pedestal
• 1:05:49
  level that we expected him to play at and then there's
• 1:05:52
  everybody else and saying, well he's not playing at that level.
• 1:05:54
  Stop putting him up there. You know.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah you get that element. But the Jacks point and we've
• 1:06:02
  said it in the past, that's wasn't a backer.
• 1:06:07
  The reason that you play backers because he understood his
• 1:06:09
  liabilities and he tried to minimize them but he said it
• 1:06:12
  straight up. His size is physical.
• 1:06:14
  Makeup is more suited for Mike as the borderline athleticism
• 1:06:18
  played backer, but not the full blown that you need to.
• 1:06:21
  And then he kind of complimented that Dax is more of a
• 1:06:24
  quarterback on the defense well that couldn't be the quarterback
• 1:06:27
  because Brooke was a hell of a quarterback on defense.
• 1:06:30
  So, back again, didn't get to show that sort of leadership
• 1:06:34
  role in the mic. Yes, he's The rah-rah guy.
• 1:06:37
  Yes. He claps his hands.
• 1:06:38
  Yes. He swings the towel, which you
• 1:06:40
  need that sort of energy. I think you're going to see a
• 1:06:42
  little bit different, you talked about and being the quarterback,
• 1:06:46
  him being the coach on the field in Brian, you've mentioned a
• 1:06:49
  couple times to me, you know, So many times it's like deck was in
• 1:06:57
  the right spot but he couldn't finish or you know Dak just was
• 1:07:02
  once a quarter step behind where he needed to be at the back or
• 1:07:06
  spot. Yep.
• 1:07:08
  Dax was rarely out of position. Dax's problem was that Dax
• 1:07:14
  couldn't athletically. Hang with some of the
• 1:07:16
  responsibilities he was given and sometimes when he was there
• 1:07:20
  to make a play sometimes you miss a tackle or he'd get
• 1:07:23
  absorbed. by block, but Again, I say it all the time like you
• 1:07:31
  know 60% of a good defensive play is being where the fuck you
• 1:07:35
  need to be. And he pretty much every play he
• 1:07:39
  was wearing needed to be. So now he that's a start that's
• 1:07:43
  a start in now he's the quarterback of the defense.
• 1:07:47
  He's playing in a position where he won't be as much of a
• 1:07:49
  liability athletically. Yep.
• 1:07:52
  So I think you're going to see some good things from him.
• 1:07:54
  I want to see him work on. Tackling I want to see him work
• 1:07:57
  on shedding blocks. That's still going to be two
• 1:07:59
  areas that he has to get better in regardless of backer or Mike
• 1:08:05
  and he's going to have to get better.
• 1:08:07
  Especially at shedding the blocks from the mic perspective.
• 1:08:09
  But I think overall, I think he's going to do a good job.
• 1:08:13
  I think you're probably going to see.
• 1:08:16
  I think he in this system, he's going to be better than Rook
• 1:08:20
  because we saw get kind of exposed a little bit because of
• 1:08:26
  his at lack of athleticism last year.
• 1:08:29
  And his probably not quite being at his peak level of
• 1:08:33
  conditioning coming into Camp because so this system having
• 1:08:39
  more athletic linebackers is better.
• 1:08:41
  So you're talking about a guy that's already was playing in a
• 1:08:46
  any area that requires more athleticism last year and moving
• 1:08:49
  him into an area that requires less.
• 1:08:52
  But like I said, I think out the gate, he's a better athlete than
• 1:08:56
  Rook, but he's going to have to work on some of those other
• 1:08:59
  things. A truck was really good at like
• 1:09:01
  not getting blocked because at that shit Excel.
• 1:09:05
  Yeah, yes and shedding. Good Lord could look for we jump
• 1:09:10
  over JC price one last little quote from Jack in thing about
• 1:09:19
  this brand he says man coach Fuente is a very loyal human
• 1:09:23
  being very little coach, reminds me of somebody else.
• 1:09:27
  It was in Blacksburg. And many times, we screamed as
• 1:09:32
  fans, we want people fired and people didn't get fired.
• 1:09:36
  And Bud said it, you keep hearing it even from these young
• 1:09:40
  guys coming in about how they remind, Current coach with
• 1:09:46
  former coach. Yep.
• 1:09:48
  But let's jump up. JC, who played for that former
• 1:09:51
  coach. And when the first line comes
• 1:09:54
  out of his mouth is, it's my dream to return to Blacksburg
• 1:09:57
  man. That's it man.
• 1:10:02
  You know they hired the right person?
• 1:10:03
  Yep. Nothing else needed to be said
• 1:10:07
  about that higher when he said that, I mean the Jaycees a
• 1:10:12
  legend, you know, it was part of that 95 team and everything but
• 1:10:18
  he's coming in, he's a veteran, he's a grinder and, you know, He
• 1:10:26
  already has somewhat of a relationship with people on the
• 1:10:29
  staff. You know, he had been invited by
• 1:10:31
  for one day to the summer camps coming down from Huntington, you
• 1:10:35
  know, essentially Scout players and some people say, well, why
• 1:10:37
  would you do that? It's done all over the place
• 1:10:40
  that, you know, don't say it's not and you know, you wrote this
• 1:10:47
  down. Brian.
• 1:10:47
  I want to credit with it, but you feel like JC is a guy that
• 1:10:53
  is going to provide that will provide an input.
• 1:10:56
  Understand, he's part of a whole.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah. And where would I put that in?
• 1:11:00
  Was when he was asked and he actually asked for a
• 1:11:04
  clarification about the question kind of asked about what things
• 1:11:09
  from his experience at Virginia Tech can he used to mold and
• 1:11:14
  change what's happening on the current staff?
• 1:11:16
  And he's more. He seems like a guy that will
• 1:11:21
  speak up when there's something to be said, but realizing that
• 1:11:26
  His perspective is not the one. I'm not the only one that
• 1:11:29
  matters and he wants to kind of work within the framework of
• 1:11:32
  what the program is working towards and understands his role
• 1:11:36
  but also understands that he is going to be leaned on for some
• 1:11:40
  of this thing because he does have ties to the Glory Days.
• 1:11:45
  If you will, he does have ties to the former staff.
• 1:11:47
  He does understand what it takes to win at this University.
• 1:11:52
  So there are elements that he's going to bring that, he's going
• 1:11:55
  to be the guy that sleeps. Leaned on.
• 1:11:57
  But he also understands that, you know, his voice isn't the
• 1:12:01
  one that needs to be the loudest all the time.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah. And you see that that's, that's
• 1:12:09
  kind of a type of person. You mean, because I have a
• 1:12:11
  feeling when his voice does Get Loud, people will listen.
• 1:12:14
  He also discussed his relationship with J Hamm in
• 1:12:18
  actually similar to Jack. We just discussed.
• 1:12:21
  Jack had some offers They offered J hammock position when
• 1:12:26
  he was in that director of player Personnel position.
• 1:12:30
  They offered him an on-field position and obviously he
• 1:12:32
  declined it and that got J Hamm where he is obviously it goes
• 1:12:37
  back when you know JC was a ga that's one hand was playing here
• 1:12:41
  man. Yep.
• 1:12:42
  So those guys go back, you know close to 20 years and you know
• 1:12:47
  again You know, it's just cool to see that and then the other
• 1:12:55
  piece, which I think I'm sure you would have loved to been
• 1:12:58
  sitting in this room. Brian is, you know, really
• 1:13:01
  didn't know, you know really, you know really know Bill.
• 1:13:08
  Yeah. And then comes in they
• 1:13:10
  immediately get together and what are they gonna do?
• 1:13:13
  They chop it up talking football for four hours and you know, I
• 1:13:18
  think there's a there's a good relationship there because I
• 1:13:21
  think you know he kind of talked about it.
• 1:13:23
  They don't necessarily have what you would call mirror images of
• 1:13:28
  philosophy on defensive line play, but I think that's a good
• 1:13:31
  thing because that kind of pushes Each other to kind of,
• 1:13:35
  listen to the other, you know, see what else is out there.
• 1:13:39
  You know, you don't want to just get in that mindset of my ways.
• 1:13:42
  The right way, you're always wanted to grow.
• 1:13:45
  You want to learn having a guy with somewhat different
• 1:13:48
  philosophies at the same position.
• 1:13:51
  I think it's going to be a good thing because I think each of
• 1:13:53
  them will push each other and and grow from from the
• 1:13:57
  experience that the other brains I mean, bills God.
• 1:14:00
  You know, a lot of that NFL type X's and O's things like that.
• 1:14:06
  And I think JC may have he's got a lot of that as well, but I
• 1:14:09
  think he's got some of the soft skills.
• 1:14:10
  And some of the understanding on the recruiting Trail and in the
• 1:14:14
  how the college systems work that I think Bill can learn a
• 1:14:18
  lot from. So I think there's going to be
• 1:14:20
  that give and take from that perspective not just the X's and
• 1:14:23
  O's and scheme and philosophy of defensive line play that you
• 1:14:27
  know, is a little bit similar to a little bit different but it
• 1:14:30
  sounds like Like they have good chemistry.
• 1:14:32
  Oh yeah, I think that's you know, that healthy dialogue is
• 1:14:35
  going to be a good thing for the defense of wine.
• 1:14:38
  Oh absolutely. And again I think again it's
• 1:14:42
  having that extra voice in there and you know to where Daryl had
• 1:14:47
  played in a lot of built here like systems so he sort of
• 1:14:52
  understood what Bill wanted to do and it was very much Polly Y
• 1:14:55
  Bar no King long so bad or so fast was annual Bill wanted to
• 1:15:01
  do, he taught him and if this cake They have, you know,
• 1:15:05
  they're not perfect on philosophy, but they probably
• 1:15:08
  have enough of over line where, you know, example this year,
• 1:15:14
  bills working with the ends. Hey I need you to go work with
• 1:15:18
  George. Let's work with, you know, the
• 1:15:20
  X's and O's piece. They see God.
• 1:15:22
  Let me go to your point too. I think JC with his voice is
• 1:15:25
  going to say sometimes. Hey, let's, let's look at it
• 1:15:29
  this way and I think for bills, probably going to help him grow
• 1:15:32
  a little bit too. But again overall that that's a
• 1:15:36
  good thing. It's a really good.
• 1:15:38
  Let's talk about this. Okay, so I'll be we're both
• 1:15:40
  married to teachers yes. Okay so let's say A defensive
• 1:15:49
  scheme is like a curriculum. There are several different ways
• 1:15:54
  to get to that end game. There's different philosophies
• 1:15:58
  or different things right there. Teachers are constantly learning
• 1:16:02
  different ways to get to the same end point.
• 1:16:04
  This is the same type of thing in their endpoint, is more or
• 1:16:08
  less in the same ballpark. They might have a little bit of
• 1:16:13
  different way of getting there and learning different ways to
• 1:16:15
  get. There is going to help them
• 1:16:17
  translate that because honestly much like students not every
• 1:16:23
  Player is going to pick up and learn in the same way or in the
• 1:16:27
  same fashion and respond to the same type of criticism or same
• 1:16:30
  type of critique. So that's going to be a good
• 1:16:33
  thing. Long-term I did like and this
• 1:16:36
  was kind of a part of levity of the the interview the question
• 1:16:42
  about where was the first place? He ate when he got to Blacksburg
• 1:16:44
  or any places that were still still popular from his Heyday.
• 1:16:49
  He says a coin flip he cases McAdoo's America dues one when
• 1:16:55
  it got the when he got the I guess the probably a Hindenburg
• 1:16:59
  where you think, you think you think he crushes the Hindenburg
• 1:17:02
  think he could crush Hindenburg. Maybe someday.
• 1:17:05
  I think I've heard tell that McAdoo's is a hell of a place
• 1:17:09
  for for recruits. Oh yes.
• 1:17:11
  It's, you know, be there with recruits.
• 1:17:14
  It's awesome. You meet their courage, their
• 1:17:16
  you have a sandwich. You talk about football, you
• 1:17:20
  know? Well, you know, that's part of
• 1:17:21
  it is, the menu is so big that you literally get your
• 1:17:25
  recruiting pitch done, but now the request of screw them in
• 1:17:28
  you. And then once the pitch is done,
• 1:17:32
  you point them to the best piece of the menu for that particular
• 1:17:36
  player and then you essentially get the commit on spot.
• 1:17:40
  Yeah. I've heard defunct podcast like
• 1:17:42
  to ask for interviews there too. Not this part.
• 1:17:49
  Let's do talk about him. He's obviously got the
• 1:17:52
  recruiting title role and he kind of was talking about it.
• 1:17:57
  It's more or less. He's the guy that's going to be,
• 1:17:59
  we need to look at films on recruits.
• 1:18:01
  Have you made the call here? It sounds like it's more of a,
• 1:18:05
  he's more of a logistical guy. And again, JC biggest person in
• 1:18:10
  that room, my assumption is, if Jesse speaks about have you, you
• 1:18:14
  know, have you looked at tape of Tom?
• 1:18:18
  I don't know. Sean Asbury and I know he's like
• 1:18:20
  a top tent here. Hey Jackie looked at as berries
• 1:18:22
  tape you talk to his trainer, you talk to anybody on him this
• 1:18:26
  week. I mean it seems like it's almost
• 1:18:28
  that's going to be a checklist type thing for him like and you
• 1:18:34
  know some code says yeah I can't get in touch with anybody will
• 1:18:38
  hold on. DM the number over to him?
• 1:18:41
  Call this guy. Yep, this is it, that type of
• 1:18:44
  thing, make it making sure that, you know, all right, we got this
• 1:18:49
  guy coming to campus. Make sure you're watching his
• 1:18:52
  fucking tape this week, so you're prepared to discuss this
• 1:18:55
  that and the third victims. Make sure that you're reviewing,
• 1:18:58
  you know, family members this. So that, you know, names you
• 1:19:02
  understand the relationships, you understand who plays a key
• 1:19:04
  role in this player's life so that you can relate to them as
• 1:19:10
  best as you can. Because I think that's another
• 1:19:13
  part of it, that You know, the coaches, obviously, they
• 1:19:19
  recruit. They're trying to get the best
• 1:19:20
  players, but it's about building relationships.
• 1:19:22
  So if you're not doing the homework on that, that's going
• 1:19:26
  to show up when it's time to kind of close the deal.
• 1:19:30
  Absolutely. And going back, he had that
• 1:19:33
  personal story. JC essentially grew up kind of
• 1:19:37
  out in the rural areas of Maryland.
• 1:19:40
  Pretty highly recruited player to a point where Powerhouse
• 1:19:43
  DeMatha, you know Brian. You know we heard They wanted to
• 1:19:47
  come, get him his senior year but the coach that they brought
• 1:19:51
  into his high school was kind of a well-known coach winner and he
• 1:19:56
  convinced him to stay at his high school, not make the hour,
• 1:20:01
  commute both ways every day to go down to a Powerhouse and you
• 1:20:07
  know talk about staying home and everything but that starts one
• 1:20:11
  of these three things that I think he's going to bring it ate
• 1:20:15
  at selling point, right? There.
• 1:20:17
  Whatever that coach said to him, I have a feeling instilled and
• 1:20:20
  then him about staying home, doing it at home.
• 1:20:24
  That's one story but brine the next one that he revealed me and
• 1:20:31
  you I think we talked about it, 20 minutes, he revealed.
• 1:20:33
  His is degrees. Yep.
• 1:20:38
  You got the the liberal arts and science degree which at the time
• 1:20:42
  he said, was essentially three minors that add up to a major
• 1:20:47
  because he wanted. And he talked about, he because
• 1:20:49
  he wanted to be a coach. So this is, this was his ideas
• 1:20:52
  like very well. So I want to be a coach.
• 1:20:53
  So, three minors that can they can build to a major for me.
• 1:20:57
  Scioscia sociology, physical education.
• 1:21:00
  In African-American studies. And that tells me right there
• 1:21:03
  that this God understands, what it's going to take to be a coach
• 1:21:08
  and what it's going to take to fill in any blind spots that he
• 1:21:11
  may have and working with people, that may have different
• 1:21:17
  life stories or understanding understanding how they tick, and
• 1:21:22
  also just the physical education part of it or just understanding
• 1:21:26
  how to get guys in their Peak Performance to go out there.
• 1:21:29
  On the field and do what they need to do.
• 1:21:33
  Absolutely. And when he when he mentioned
• 1:21:36
  that about those degrees, it was just like again, he is from and
• 1:21:42
  I'm not sure if it's world. But it's not your it's not your
• 1:21:45
  Baltimore propers or, you know, down into areas like that, he
• 1:21:49
  had his background and he said, if I'm going to be a coach, I've
• 1:21:54
  got to understand, I understand my background.
• 1:21:57
  I'm going to have people that I run to their similar to me.
• 1:21:59
  We're going to connect. Boom, great.
• 1:22:01
  I want to understand everyone. I touch.
• 1:22:03
  Ouch. And, you know, obviously he knew
• 1:22:07
  that, you know, the African American studies, you know, I've
• 1:22:13
  got African-American teammates. I want to understand what goes
• 1:22:16
  on. I want to know more about them.
• 1:22:18
  I want to be able to connect with them man.
• 1:22:20
  That just tells a lot about him as a human being Brian.
• 1:22:24
  You know what else tells you a lot about the human being is
• 1:22:28
  when he discussed the 95 store? Man?
• 1:22:31
  Yep. For you.
• 1:22:33
  Younger people. Go back.
• 1:22:34
  Look nice. E5 is a great season. 95 started
• 1:22:38
  off shitty jib really really shitty, you know, back-to-back
• 1:22:46
  losses. The second being who, you know,
• 1:22:50
  Cincinnati at Lane stadium. And you I think I've heard
• 1:22:54
  stories it was like the pouring down rain the opening loss was
• 1:22:57
  to Boston College. And you know, you kind of hear
• 1:23:03
  JC talking about it said in the locker room after the game.
• 1:23:07
  Gang with just as miserable feeling and then having to watch
• 1:23:11
  the tape the next day. And he didn't say it, but I
• 1:23:17
  think he didn't say it in the way.
• 1:23:20
  Brian. I think you assume this is what
• 1:23:22
  he said it, right. Yeah, I said he said we're not
• 1:23:27
  losing the end. I said we fucking losing again.
• 1:23:32
  Because I mean again JC kind of reminds me a lot of he kind of
• 1:23:39
  reminds me a combination of my offensive line coach and I
• 1:23:42
  wasn't him and Sydney Keith conlon and our good buddy
• 1:23:47
  hambone. Robbie come tonight if you put
• 1:23:50
  those two guys together, that that's who Jason kind of reminds
• 1:23:53
  me of and that's something I could see them them saying in
• 1:23:57
  that scenario, like we fucking losing again.
• 1:24:00
  Really. And then not just saying it, not
• 1:24:02
  just saying it, but putting that shit into action doubling down
• 1:24:06
  on studies doubling, down, on practice doubling down on film.
• 1:24:10
  All of the things you need to do to have success on the field.
• 1:24:13
  Yeah. And obviously, everybody knows
• 1:24:15
  what happens the next week they go out, beat Miami.
• 1:24:20
  As the white said last week back 98 when he finished it up. 95
• 1:24:24
  was the first of four straight 99 made it five straight in.
• 1:24:30
  Basically, they didn't lose another game.
• 1:24:33
  It didn't lose another game to come back at UVA.
• 1:24:37
  The Sugar Bowl, win over Texas. It tells you about his mentality
• 1:24:42
  to and, you know, there's been times.
• 1:24:49
  Under this current coaching regime.
• 1:24:51
  You know, a lot of times we see a lot of fight but sometimes You
• 1:24:57
  just feel like sometimes the players aren't.
• 1:25:02
  I don't want to say it because you see them play their asses
• 1:25:04
  off, but you feel like sometimes they just turn it off.
• 1:25:08
  I don't think they see prices going to let people in that
• 1:25:10
  locker room turn and yeah I don't I don't think it's lack of
• 1:25:14
  effort. I think sometimes it's lack of
• 1:25:15
  focus, like I think they give effort, I think the focus is
• 1:25:21
  where we see a lack on some of those things.
• 1:25:23
  I think that having a guy that understands setting a goal
• 1:25:28
  setting the things up to achieve that goal and holding everyone
• 1:25:36
  accountable at all. X towards that, that go
• 1:25:41
  responsibility, I think is going to be important for this team
• 1:25:45
  going forward because I mean, this is a guy that You know, we
• 1:25:49
  talked about Virginia Tech but I mean this this is one of the
• 1:25:54
  guys that built what Virginia Tech is and what Virginia Tech
• 1:25:57
  became and he understands he saw both sides of it.
• 1:26:04
  I mean, he saw the downs and he saw the ups and he saw, you
• 1:26:08
  know, what we were and what we became Just In His short time in
• 1:26:14
  Blacksburg. And I think that that matters
• 1:26:18
  and I think going back to the point earlier, I think that's
• 1:26:21
  what that question was trying to be trying to ask is that, you
• 1:26:27
  know, are there lessons from your time as a player here that
• 1:26:33
  you can bring to the table and help this team?
• 1:26:37
  Take the next step. Yeah.
• 1:26:39
  And it is he has them. Braun.
• 1:26:44
  I'm going to we're going to stop the Virginia Tech talk there.
• 1:26:47
  Before we wrap the episode up, I need your 90 second analysis of
• 1:26:54
  the Carson Wentz trade, I think, in terms of It being a
• 1:27:02
  relatively safe, relatively cap friendly, All Things Considered,
• 1:27:08
  I think, in terms of being able to move off of it, if it doesn't
• 1:27:11
  work out, I think it was a good trade.
• 1:27:16
  I would have preferred Stafford. I probably would have also
• 1:27:20
  preferred Donald if we could have got him for a similar.
• 1:27:29
  Similar trade package and obviously his the cost would
• 1:27:32
  have been lower in terms of the immediate contract.
• 1:27:36
  So I think if we were to pull that off, I think I would have
• 1:27:38
  been fine with it. I'm still waiting to see on
• 1:27:42
  whence. I think if he can stay on the
• 1:27:43
  field and working with Frank Reich again.
• 1:27:48
  I think that's going to be a good thing for him.
• 1:27:51
  The problem I have is that I need to see this guy play more
• 1:27:53
  than 12 games in the season. Proof.
• 1:27:59
  But the Alamos truth is you said Frank right if there's anyone
• 1:28:02
  that can fix him. It's Frank Wright.
• 1:28:04
  If Frank Wright fixes him? I hate y'all because if you like
• 1:28:11
  I said, we did a ton and contract.
• 1:28:16
  He's bringing on board is that if it doesn't work this year and
• 1:28:18
  next year, we're pretty much off the hook with no more dead money
• 1:28:22
  and space handicapped space too. Because of the luck retirement
• 1:28:30
  Hill Rivers will have one year. He gets fixed.
• 1:28:34
  I mean, y'all are essentially have a 10-year order back.
• 1:28:36
  Yeah. And y'all have a front office
• 1:28:39
  that knows how to draft. So think we're going to take
• 1:28:43
  Christian darussalam. First round if everything works
• 1:28:45
  out. The way I'm hoping and aerosol,
• 1:28:49
  dude, I had that's also mocks. He's flying up in the top 10
• 1:28:52
  now. Yeah, he's anywhere between like
• 1:28:54
  nine and Twenty Eight, depending on.
• 1:28:57
  So mocks depends on how that thing breaks.
• 1:29:01
  We've got it. We could potentially move up
• 1:29:03
  though. So we've actually got got some
• 1:29:06
  action where we can move up. Up.
• 1:29:07
  So if he's, who we're targeting or something, if we're
• 1:29:11
  comfortable with, if we're comfortable with the first four
• 1:29:14
  or five tackles, then I think we're fine to sit where we're
• 1:29:16
  at. Yeah, but if we've got a
• 1:29:20
  certain, you know, one, two, three in that top five that we,
• 1:29:24
  absolutely, if we feel like we can get him, we're going to try
• 1:29:27
  to get him then. I think I can see us moving up
• 1:29:30
  and making that play, and if all of them are gone, by the time we
• 1:29:33
  get around, I could see us trading back and, you know, make
• 1:29:37
  getting an To pick in the second round.
• 1:29:38
  So absolutely do. All right.
• 1:29:42
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• 1:29:46
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• 1:29:50
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