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JULY 31ST BONUS SHOW HOSTED BY LATONYA MICHELLE LITTLEJOHN · DA CREW Podcast

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miss every Welcome, Welcome, good evening, everybody. Um, welcome to
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another episode of Delay, but not TONI the podcast. This is show number
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nine for me. Um, Tonight, I have a special guest with me,
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my brother in law, doctor Carlos, your man little John. UM.
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Before I start, you know, I like to give honor to God,
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and so I'm gonna read a scripture and I'm coming from Luke eighteen.
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Now a certain ruler asks him, saying, good teacher, what shall I
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do to inherit inherit eternal life? So Jesus said to him, why do
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you call me good? No one is good but one, and that is
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God. And so with that being said, I would like to introduce to
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you all mister Carlos, Little John. Hey Carlos, how are you.
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I'm doing well? How are you? Um? Great? UM? I
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want to give you a chance to introduce yourself because I feel like nobody knows
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you better than you know yourself. So if you would please introduce yourself for
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me. Sure, Before I introduce myself, I want to congratulate you on
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your form, your platform. I didn't realize that you have been doing this
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for quite some time. I'm not on social media, so I wouldn't know,
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but needless to say, congratulations on your platform. Thank you, and
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thank you for extending the invitation absolutely. My name is Carlos little John.
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I'm forty four years old, married with three children in World four, including
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my grandson to missus Felicia little John, the Queen, the Boss, the
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principal of Lawrence Elementary School in Lawrence County School Distro. Fifty five. This
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is my thirty year as principal at Lawrence Elementary and this is my twenty third
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year overall in education. Okay, what made you decide that you wanted to
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choose education as a path for your career. Well, I mean, initially,
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I didn't intend to major in education. I didn't intend to go into
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the field of education. Initially I was going to I wanted to become a
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doctor. To be candid with you. I just didn't know what type of
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doctor. And so I went to school initially as a biology major, and
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once I saw all those science and math classes that I had to take,
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I'm not a big science and math person, but I'm an English and history
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person, right, So I changed my major very quickly to what I thought
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I was gonna. I thought I was gonna go into business, the business
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field, and I was a business major for three years. But the entire
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time that I was majoring that I majored in business, I was always working
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with children, whether I was a counselor at Upward Bound because I'm an upward
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bound product. I was a counselor at Upward Bound for man like three years.
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Then my part time job when I was at Winthrop in rock Hill,
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I worked at the YMCA, and so I was working at the YMCA at
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the front desk, but also spent the afternoon in the childcare area, and
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so I was always working with children. Then I also participated in the Big
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Brothers Big Sisters mentoring program. I coached basketball at the same time, So
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when I was at Winthrop, I was always around children. Whether I was,
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like I said before, working with at Upward Bound or working at the
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YMCA and the childcare department mentoring. So I ended up eventually, the more
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I was around children, the more or I saw the thing you know it
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was. I enjoyed working with kids. So I changed my major my junior
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year at Winthrop to elementary education. So and luckily I was able to stay
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on track and graduate UM on time. I graduate. I graduated four and
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a half years UM. And the only reason it took me that, the
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only reason it took me that extra semester is because I had to do my
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full time internship UM in an elementary school. So, Okay, I know
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that you started out as a teacher, UM, how long were you teaching
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and what was that like for you? Sure M, I taught for seven
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years. Let me just let me tell you the whole story. So,
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office I taught for seven years. I spent eight years as an assistant principal,
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and this is my eighth year as principal. UM. When I taught,
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I taught fourth grade for five years and fifth grade for two and I
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enjoyed teaching. It was I don't I don't want to sound like Ericant so
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to speak, but teaching was easy because it's stuff that already knew. It's
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just a matter of disseminating information to children in a manner that they can understand.
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Right, I'm naturally well, you know, I'm naturally silly. So
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it wasn't that hard to teach because I would entertain the children pretty much all
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day long by making them laugh, and during that time they were able to
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retain what I taught based on high representative Okay, So, being that you're
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silly and I consider you our family clown, how do you know how to
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turn it on and turn it off when it comes to the students, Oh,
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I have to. It's about relationships, and so forming and sustaining those
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relationships kind of helped me along the way because even now I cut up with
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my students, but at the same point in time, they know when they
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have to come to doctor Lj's office. It's only so they have a healthy
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respect for me, but they also have a healthy fear of me as well.
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But to answer your question, just establishing and maintain those relationships not only
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with them, with their parents as well. So so cur your mom,
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she said that you were a class clown at some point in your life,
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Being that you may have been a class clown. How do you handle the
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class clown that you have to interact with now that you're a principal, And
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just to provide some clarification, I was not always the class clown. I
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had several instances in which yeah, Lynda little John had to come to the
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school. But even now, when I deal with the quote unquote class clowns,
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I might I see myself in them, and so I don't just chastise
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them, so to speak. I kind of meet them where they are in
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terms of just get on their level and just kind of understand where they're coming
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from and again establishing relationship with them. So my students they know when I'm
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serious. But at the same point in time, we have a good relationship
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because when I cut up, they know that I cut up to the point
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of where they laugh so hard they start crying. So but because I believe
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me, I cut up, Yes you do. You know they have a
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healthy fear and healthy respect for me. Okay, so correct me if I'm
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wrong. But you were also a professor at Lander, Yes, I taught
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Atlanta for two years. I was given the opportunity to work with the Call
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Me Mister program, and I, along with Gavin Buffet who's still at Lander.
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We co taught education courses through the Call Me Mister program for two years.
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Okay, so what's the difference for you, the difference between being a
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professor and you're a regular four fifth grade teacher. UM, to be honest
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with you, the kids Atlanta that I taught, they were there because they
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wanted to be there, whereas you know, of course when elementary schools,
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elementary school kids don't want to be there. But you have to make it
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fun and you have to make it enjoyable for them to want to be there.
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So UM, and I cut up with my kids Atlanta too. I
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had them cracking up every class period and so UM it to me, to
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be honest with you, they was just bigger. They were just bigger.
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Have you UM tried to instill education as a form of um, a career
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path for your own children. It was a brief discussion, but you know,
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kids have that their minds are already made up. So I don't I
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didn't really pressure any of any of them to go into education. They know
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what I do. They see it on a daily basis. UM. So
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no, to be honest with you, I didn't impressure them to go into
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the field of education. I said it was. I just simply told them
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that it was an option, it was a viable option. So okay,
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So I want to ask you, what are the pros and cons of teaching
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elementary versus being a professor to young adults, m Um, To be honest
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with you, both, as far as a pro m, I enjoy teaching.
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I'm passionate about teaching, and so that for me is a pro for
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both. With the cons is the cons are well, the only con is
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with the students at Lander, they're adults. They're young adults. Their minds
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are already made up. You can be more impressionable with the smaller children,
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you can with the young adults. So um, that's pretty much the only
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con. But at the same point in time, the kids at Lander,
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they were somewhat impressionable from the standpoint that they see a blackmail teaching and you
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know, of course in the classroom, and they wanted to teach, and
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so I provided as much insight as I could. I'm not gonna say I
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provided advice, right, I don't provide advice. I tried to provide insight,
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and I tried to be somewhat of an example, for the children.
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I was about to say for the children, for the young adults. As
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you being a male Educatorum, what is that like in a field where it's
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predominantly women, What is that like for you? When I was a teacher,
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they always wanted to like in certain instances, I was only guy in
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the school. There were several instances in which I was only guy, and
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there were a couple of instances in which they were just a handful of us.
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But the ladies, they were very helpful, to the point where they
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sometimes I wanted to take over my class well as theirs. Yeah, but
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then I took the help. I wasn't like hesitant to take the help.
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I wasn't dejected by the fact that they would come in and somewhat try to
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take over. Again, It's about relationship. To me, it's about relationships.
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So I had healthy relationships with all of my colleagues and even now with
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even like with my employees, I have healthy relationships with them. So I'm
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kind of used to it now, just working with all females. Is there
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a motto or a mantra that you live by day to day that you take
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from school to home. Well, I mean I have a favorite quote.
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I have a favorite quote, and I have a favorite poem. My favorite
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quote is from Frederick Douglas. It's easy to build strong children than to repair
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broken men, right, And so that I carried that at school, and
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I carried that to school from the standpoint that, like I said before,
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these children are more impressionable than these young adults, and so I'll try to
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be the example for the children. And so it's easier for me to be
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more impressionable for them and on them more so than the young adults. And
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then Benjamin emays his poem God's Minute. I do live by that every day,
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and I was recited it. If you want me to do that matter,
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but I would love I've only just a minute, only sixty seconds in
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it forced upon. You can't refuse it. Didn't seek it, didn't choose
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it. But it's up to me to use it for I'm gonna suffer if
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I lose it, give an account if I abuse it. Just a tiny
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little minute, but eternity is in it. I do live by that daily
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because I'm very thankful and grateful for the blessings that I've received. But at
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the same point in time, I do know that in any given moment,
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everything can be taken away. So God's Minute by Benjamin Emay's that's my favorite
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poem. I live by that on a daily basis, Okay, or my
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kids even know the poem. So what is what is your way of discipline
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for the children a versus your children at home? Both know that when I'm
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upset, I'm upset. It's more of a I tell them I'm disappointed than
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anything. Right, I don't have to get physical, I don't have to
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spank anybody at home nationally, I'm not gonna do that at school. But
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they know that when I'm disappointed, it kind of it hurts them more than
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anything else. I try to be the example for them, and I try
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to model. I try to model my expectations and so if I tell somebody
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I'm disappointed, they kind of take it to heart. And I'm very grateful
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that I don't have to really yale scream like at home or at school.
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So, right, I want to take you back for a minute, back
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to junior high high school. What was that like? Did you know,
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um, you said that you really didn't know that you wanted to be a
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teacher. You know, when you first started college. What was your junior
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high high school years like for you? I was kind of a well,
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you know, I was kind of a nerd. I I have an athletic
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ability, but I didn't let it shine as much as I let my academic
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ability shine, right, And so I was always I still love to read.
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I'm a voracious reader from time to time. I just read stuff on
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my home from time to time if it's inspiring. But I just stayed in
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the books. I joke like my brother Rico and I joke all the time
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about how he said he never saw me study, right, but little bit,
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you know, I used to wait to everybody went to sleep before I
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actually hit the books. And I barely slept at night. I will only
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get like four or five hours of sleep. And so, um, I
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just loved school. I mean, just from the standpoint that I was a
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voracious reader. One of my favorite teacher of all time, it's Francis Hardy,
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Doctor Francis Hardy. She was my English teacher at Spartanburg High School.
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She stayed on me about everything, um, and not just academics, just
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daily living, daily habits. She reminded me that as a black man,
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my my academic ability would take me further than my athletic ability. And so
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I loved Love's hardy for that. Love is hardy for that. I saw
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her a few months ago, she came to see me speak when I spoke
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at Foster Chapter Foster Chapel Batis Church in Roebuck. She still reminded me that,
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you know, she was very how proud of me she was, and
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she's very proud of me. So I will say that you have played a
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major part in my children's upbringing. M I credit some of how Deante is
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because of you and Maurice. Um, he couldn't have better uncles. Um.
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I thank God for for everything that y'all instilled in him, him being
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a young black male. Because of the two of you, he knew that,
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Um, he didn't have to play basketball or football or anything like that
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to be established in life. And you know, alf for ever took my
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hat to you both for that. And you know, with with deja Um
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even being on her the way that both of you have been, you know,
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hands on with her. She chose the path of going to cosmetology school
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and although she hasn't finished, she can still go back. And you know,
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Harrod's her first love, and I feel like, you know, with
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her dad and her mom and you guys, y'all pushed her and she's gonna
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do something with that, I hope. And again, I thank you so
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much for what you've done for my kids. I would love to have k
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around you so that she can get some of that too. But UM,
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just to go back, what was your childhood like for you? Growing up
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with two brothers and your parents. Yeah, I'm the middle of three boys,
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and so you know how that goes. I was constantly child syndrome to
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a degree. I was constantly doing something to gain some attention from somebody.
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Nothing to the point of where it was well, yeah, there were a
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couple of questionable moments, but nothing to the point of where my mom had
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to second guess you know what I was doing. But I'm very grateful for
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my mother and my father's deceased, as you already know. But my mom
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was the rock, the anchor, the foundation of the family, and so
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she constantly stayed on us, making sure that we did the right thing.
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Um, in spite of our environment, as you very well know. Um,
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in spite of things that went on and in our environment, she made
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sure that we steered clear from anything negative. And I joke and we tell
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people all the time, I don't fear anything or anybody, but Lynda Little
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John, as many, you know, as many opportunities as we had left,
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she made sure that we stayed right and on the right path. She
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doesn't play. She didn't play. She still don't play. Bill doesn't play.
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And I'm forever grateful for the lessons. And I'll tell you the lessons
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and the blessings that you know that were bestowed upon us in spite of the
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circumstances that went on around us. Yeah, you know, I met you
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guys when your mom was a caregiver for my grandma, and so you know,
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growing up around you guys, Um, it's always felt like family.
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And so you know, when me and Rito got married and I brought Dante
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into the fold and he brought Daja, you never treated them differently. And
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I'm I'm humbled, and I'm grateful that he got the family that he got.
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Um. You know, we all fall on hard times or whatever,
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but I applied all of you for not letting anything you know, bad that
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has happened in your life stopped you from being where you need to be.
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Um, what I want to talk to you now is UM being a black
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father. Sometimes when we grow up, like for me, I was adopted
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and my dad thought that I where in the world like he never you know,
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he didn't chastise me for anything. But my mama was on my head.
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She she didn't play. But UM, you know what, what is
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it that you instill in your children that molded you from where you came from?
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Um. Life has been a beautiful struggle. Life has been a beautiful
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journey, just from the standpoint that I live by the mindset that you know,
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you can either stuck, stay stuck in your circumstances or wise above them.
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Um. In spite of the things that went on around us, And
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as I said before, I'm very grateful for my mom because you know,
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she taught us that you know, you can rise above anything as long as
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you stick you know, stick to UM that positive mindset. And so I
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try to instill that same thing, you know in my kids in spite of
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things that go on. You know, nothing's going to be perfect, right,
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in spite of things that may, you know, maybe stumbling blocks,
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but you're able to get over those stumbling blocks. You may, You're able
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to overcome those obstacles if you choose to. Yeah, it was rough growing
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up. It was very rough growing up. But at the same point in
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time, I had the mindset that, you know, I'm not going to
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always stay in that particular circumstance. Either be a victim of it, or
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you rise above it. Right. So the mindset that I have now is
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a father is I tell the kids all the time, you know, you
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can either stay stuck in your current situation or you can rise above it.
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You know, anything that negative, anything that goes on around you, anything
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that happens that's negative, you know, it's a setup for a major comeback.
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You know, people always people always say, you know, it's a
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minor setback for a major comeback. That's you know, those words are powerful.
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Right. I'll tell the kids all the time, in spite of things
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that going around you, that may be negative, that may be singingly insurmountable,
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as long as you have that stick tuitiveness, so to speak, you'll
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be able to overcome it. And I try to buy positive encouragement all the
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time. Right. What advice would you give to a young black male who's
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thinking about getting into education as a career. Sure, it's not the most
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glamorous, and it's not the most prestigious, and it's not the most you're
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not gonna get paid a lot. But if you're called, if it's if,
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if it's a passion for you, sky's the limit because you know you
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don't have to necessarily stay in the classroom. I knew when I first started
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teaching that I was not going to get paid a lot, and so it
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was a natural progression for me to teach them, become an assistant principle,
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and then become a principal. And so I'm very grateful for the journey,
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the educational journey, the professional journey. If it's something that you're called to
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do, by all means, do it. I enjoyed teaching. I knew
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at the outset that I wasn't gonna make a lot of money. But at
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the same point in time, I had fun with it, and I'm having
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fun nounced principle. Of course, what drives you? I always, for
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some for some benign reason, UM, I keep pushing myself to the limit.
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UM. I just graduated, as you already know, with my doctorate.
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UM this past thank you, thank you, and I'm actually taking more
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courses. UM. I'm taking a course now through the State Department and it's
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called the School Leadership Executive Institute. And I'm also taking a course through Harvard,
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and the course and through Harvard is based on organization development. And so
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the thing that drives me is just again, I love learning. Um,
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I'm a voracious reader. Something small I don't care, something big, I
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don't care. I love to read. And so I'm always pushing myself.
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Nobody pushes me more than me, and so my internal drive allows me to
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keep going forward. And UM, you know, just keep forging ahead in
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spite of things that you know may try to block me. I just keep
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have tonnel vision because I know that I have a specific goal professionally as well
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as academically. I know that sounds kind of nerdish, but that's just it.
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Um, being that I'm a person of empathy. Um, what is
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it with you that? Um? How do you take how I'm trying to
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ask you this. Like every child that you come in contact with, they
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all have their own personalities and their own struggles at home. How do you
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not bring that home with you? Oh? No, I kind of tune
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it out because I always say when I'm at work, people don't know Carlos
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Little John r will just no doctor LJ principle, So they don't know me
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personally unless I allow them in my space. But I'm able to balance the
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personal and professional and to be honest with you when I get home. My
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wife doesn't care about doctor LJ. He cares about Carlos. My kids don't
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care about doctor LJ. They care about that, right. So I've been
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able to actually balance the two thankfully over the years, because once I come
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in my house, once I crossed that front door, there's no more doctor
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LJ. It's you know, Carlos the husband, Carlos the father, And
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so I've been able to thank you. I've been able to have that healthy
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balance, right. So, UM, I want to thank you for coming
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on my show tonight. UM. I was hesitant about asking you because I
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was like, he gonna tell me no. I know he's gonna say no,
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but you know, you never know unless you ask. So I wanted
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to reach out to you because, UM, education is important. It is
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UM, especially amongst us black people. UM. There are so many different
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things that we're not privy too. And you know, if we all come
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together and for the betterment of our people, we can really get further.
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And so I you know, I wanted to do this tonight with you to
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show people that you know, education is good, you need it, and
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so you know, UM, I applaud you for everything that you've done so
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far. Thank you. My next question and final question is what's next for
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Carlos. Um. I don't know. People ask me if I want to
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be a superintendent, and I'm like, oh uh, not exactly. I
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love teaching, and so um, once I've got five more years in education
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public education, I've got five more years. Um. Honestly, whatever God
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has in store for me, I welcome it with open arms. And so
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I can't necessarily say what's next because I could have one plan, but yeah,
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I have another. Yeah, And so whatever God has a story for
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me will be for me. I just I enjoy teaching, and so if
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teaching is the next step going back to the classroom, it is what it
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is. But I know if I've got five more use of public education,
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and I'm going to do something different, right, So I do want to
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encourage you to write that book. You know what you say that, And
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I was thinking about a title today. I've got several options as far as
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titles, but it's just a matter of me do yeah, yeah, yeah,
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because I've got several. I mean I started. This is gonna sound
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crazy, but I started thinking about this years ago in regards to writing a
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book. And then now that I'm finished with the dissertation, yeah, we're
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gonna get the ball rolling. So well, you know that's a little bit
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of time before you know, I'm I go progressive the next thing. Well,
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you know, if you need your system law, I got you because
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I got like seven books under my belt so far. So um, nothing
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can stop you now you you really started from the bottom and and now you're
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here, so there's nowhere else to go but up. And I want to
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see you go up. I want to see how far you know this life
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takes you and your family. So, UM, I want to thank you
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for coming on tonight. UM, thank you for the invitation. Absolutely.
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UM. I would love to have you back after you've written this book so
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we can talk about this book. But UM, I want to thank everybody
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for watching tonight. Um. I'll be back on August Sport teen, eight
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o'clock with my guests, Miss Lakeisha Trim and we got some some crazy stuff.
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We got cooked up. But UM again y'all, UM, delayed but
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not deny. You may be delayed, but God, whatever he has for
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you is for you and it will not be denied unto you. So until
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next time, I thank you. UM. I noticed that people have been
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posting some comments at the bottom, thank you for the positive feedback and the
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positive vibes. So I wanted to say that I just I literally just noticed
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several people that responded, and so thank you guys again. UM to all
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the commenters, UM, he's just seeing your comments. After this is over
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and it's posted, you can, UM, you and Felicia can go through
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and you can see the comments and you can reply that way if you'd like
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to. So, UM again, thank you, thank you. You're well
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you're forcing me out of my comfort zone by doing this, because you know
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I'm not on social media so right, but just know, just know that,
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UM, this is a doorway for better for you. Like when when
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you write this book, people are gonna want to know who Carlos is.
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They're gonna want to know about this book. And so I'll have you come
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back again if you allow it to UM to talk about the book. And
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congratulations again, thank you, So again, thank you for coming. Um,
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it's been fun. I don't want to keep you because I know you
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got other things to do in school, right and I wish you the best
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year possible this year and moving forward. Thank you. You're welcome. They're not everybody