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Season 3, Episode 2; Detective Sgt. Charles Wells, Executive Assistant Julie Wojcik, and Records Clerk Dale Andrulewich, alongside her daughter, APD Administrative Assistant Haley Andrulewich · APD Pod Squad

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is the APD Pod Squad.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Rick White, and in this special edition of the APD Pod Squad, we celebrate APD's own grandparents.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: In honor of Grandparents' Day on September 13th, in this episode, I'm joined by Detective Sergeant Charles Wells, Executive Assistant Julie Wojik, and records clerk Dale Androlevic, alongside her daughter, APD administrative assistant Haley Endrolevic.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: We'll find out what their grandkids call them, who got to choose that name, and more.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's all coming up on season three, episode two, the special grandparents edition of the APD Pod Squad.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Joining me now, Detective Sergeant Charles Wells.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: I said that right, didn't I?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: You did.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you got to put the detective before the rank, and you are a sergeant.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: You've been here a long time, haven't you?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: I have been 21 years now.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is this the only department you have ever worked in the Asheville Police Department?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: It is, yes.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: So what year would you have been?
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: What class was your B L E T class?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually the f in the first class, 2005.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Was that the one with uh Chief Step?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: So you and Chief Step were in the same B L E T class?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: We were.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, how about that?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty awesome, huh?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Your careers have kind of paralleled.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: You've been a detective for how long now?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: I went to investigations in 2008.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell When did you know that was kind of your path?
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: I knew when I started, that's you know eventually what I wanted to do.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you that's what you wanted to do?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like from the jump?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: From the jump.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: So question I always ask everyone that sits in the room, and it feels like we know each other well.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: We've worked together for over two years, but I don't know some things like where are you from?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up in Murphy, North Carolina.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: So Western North Carolina native.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a beautiful area out there.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: It sure is.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: I had an uh aunt and uncle that had a cabin not too far from Natahala, which is kind of out that direct.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: And Murphy area.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Now Murphy is growing though.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: They've put some things out there recently, I understand.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: I noticed a big change when uh uh Harris put a casino out there.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: It really started to to grow and and change.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they got a couple of breweries out there and restaurants.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, a lot of that because of the casino.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: I would guess is that because of its proximity to Atlanta, maybe, I suppose, bringing people up from there or maybe, but you know, the the Cherokee Indian Reservation has had property and Murphy's in Cherokee County.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: So they've had it they've had property there for years, so they finally ended up building the casino there on that property.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you still got family there?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you go there probably once in a while, I would imagine, right?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: A couple three times a year or so.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of family, uh as we celebrate Grandparents' Day coming up on September 13th, I I asked around and I tried to find out who were the grandparents within the department.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: And we've got a few.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have a ton, because as you would imagine, you've got to be of a certain age to become a grandparent, and a lot of our officers, of course, are pretty young, not of that age.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: You are a grandparent.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: I understand you even babysit once in a while and you tell everybody all about it.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you'd you'd be one of those proud grandparents, huh?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so first question: What are you called?
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  SPEAKER_01: What is your nickname?
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  SPEAKER_01: What do they call you?
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  SPEAKER_00: She calls me Pops.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Pops.
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  SPEAKER_01: So everyone's got a different one.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like some pop pop is like some grandpa.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: My grandparents were grandpa this and grandpa that.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was no, I don't know, we didn't get given nicknames.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was one side of the family, other side of the family.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: So it was grandpa rice, grandpa holt's.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: We know we never assigned him cutesy nicknames or whatever.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't really care.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my wife came up with a name, so I'm fine with it.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so she came up with it.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: So the the kid didn't even have a choice.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: She's uh well, she's eighteen months old.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: She's really not talking that much yet.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: So of course she doesn't even know what to call you yet.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: She's gonna be told.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean she knows who I am.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: So they say go go to Pops or whatever she knows, but she doesn't actually verbalize yet.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: So you just have one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just the one.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: She's the first one.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: How many kids do you have?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: I have two kids.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a possibility of some more grandchildren coming.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you enjoy it?
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's been awesome.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: Did you know you would before it happened?
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is it was it something you looked forward to or you just kind of didn't know?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you know, I I knew it would be awesome.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um I look forward to it.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you uh as a parent, you kind of miss little things sometimes, I think, because you're so focused on your career and and doing everything for the family.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like with a with a grandchild, you you're able to catch those small things that you might have missed and and really cherish and enjoy the time with them.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I know this from my mom and dad that they enjoyed being grandparents a whole lot more than being parents.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, for sure.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: So far, yeah.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because you get to spoil them and do all the fun stuff.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then send them home, right?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: But but you're just getting started with it, right?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Not even two years old yet.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: So the fun stuff is still to come, isn't it?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: So looking forward to all of that.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: So happy grandparents' day coming up.
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  SPEAKER_01: You probably won't get a gift this year, I wouldn't imagine.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, maybe.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not even sure.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Do you give gifts for Grandparents' Day, or is it just the fact that you get to be a grandparent is, I guess it's that's a gift enough for me.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: So well, congratulations on that coming up.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about your career with the APD.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's been a lot of challenging cases, high-profile cases that I know you guys have worked really hard, you and your team, and some cases are just so close.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a frustration when you just can't push it across the finish line for one reason or another?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it it is frustrating.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you obviously want closure for the victim.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: You you want uh to figure out what happened, and it's uh uh it's very frustrating to get to the point that you have a a very good idea who did it, but you just need a little bit more to be able to prove it.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: So that that those are frustrating cases.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Fortunately, those are not you know, they're not all cases.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: We do close a lot of cases, but there are those few that that linger that that are very frustrating.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: When Captain Silberman was in here, we talked a little bit about closure rates and the national average hovers somewhere between 60 and 65 percent.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the Asheville Police Department, it's around 75 percent for the past ten years, which is higher than average.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: But it seems like everyone expects 100 percent.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you hear it, you know, social media has been so so good and so bad and so many things over these years, but everyone is so hypercritical.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Are you guys aware of all of that noise?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, we don't we don't pay attention to that.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously, I just want to say uh we have a wonderful group of detectives that work so hard and do such a good job.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, our goal is is a hundred percent.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean we're beating ourselves up enough when we don't get a hundred percent.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: So hearing that negative negativity coming in from the outside doesn't really affect us.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go back to the to the grandpa thing when you're when your grandchild is old enough.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna pass along one of your traits that I have heard is I I wouldn't have guessed this about you, but apparently you are hyper competitive in the world of sports.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um I am very competitive, yes.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Is that something you are going to pass along?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I hope so.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think I think uh my competitiveness is just uh it's one of those traits nobody taught me how to be that way.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's just who I am in anything.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: We do some pickup basketball and everyone's just like, oh man, don't don't get on Charles' bad side.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, really?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Charles?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't strike me like that.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh yeah.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: So tennis, basketball, what did you play growing up?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Everything.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: Depending on what season you drive by my house and see what ball was in New York.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I was a jack of ball master of none, as they say.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of my upbringing too.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was kind of that generation, a little bit more.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now it seems like if somebody has like a bit of talent at one sport, it's like sometimes it's the parents and sometimes it's them.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they hyper focus on the one thing.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like travel baseball, or they're on this AAU basketball team, and then it's like all they do.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't imagine that because just like you, it was like seasonal for me.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the weather gets cold.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you're outside playing football.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: In our case, we played hockey, you know, a lot up there.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: In the summer months, it was basketball, it was golf, it was you know, baseball, pickup, you get everybody together, you hop on your bikes, you head down, and that was like every day, all day.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: And now it seems like that's not the case anymore.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like it's a that's just a missed opportunity, I think, for these kids.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, basketball was my favorite.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I played a lot of baseball and I played a lot of softball as an adult, but I enjoyed all sports.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of softball, there's a picture here in the APD Pod Squad Studio, and it caught your attention immediately.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was looking at that earlier.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, how many people on that picture?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: For people that can't see it, okay.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a black and white from what year is that?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: 1996?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: 1994.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: 1994.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it looks like it's APD versus the Buncombe County Sheriff's Office, and it looks like is that McCormick Field?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I believe so.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it looks like McCormick Field, yeah, because you're looking, I can see the press box kind of in the distance there.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess that would have been like probably a charity game or just a regular game.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so how many of those guys do you know?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like probably seven or eight of those at least.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny, the people that have come in here that are some of the the veterans of our department, yourself and deputy chief Artemis, their attention is immediately drawn to that photo because they recognize some guys, but you weren't on that team, I guess, huh?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: I was not.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, that was before my time.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: So that's right.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: So you joined in oh what'd you say?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh five.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those are those are fun games.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: We've we've had several of those.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um we played football against the um uh SHP a couple times.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a fun time.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we had Hayes Seeler, who was a senator at the time.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: He was a quarterback for the highway patrol team.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: And we had Brad Johnson, who had just uh a few years prior won the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was our quarterback.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a lot of fun.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: I would say I mean So I can always say I caught a touchdown pass from a Super Bowl winning quarterback.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: That is something to put on your So here's a funny thing.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there was a softball team years ago that was called DA Law.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that team?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was APD plus the district attorney's office.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: I do not remember that.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was a co-ed team, and it was sometime in the early 2000s.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe you weren't here yet, but I I moved here in 99.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: So the the short version of the story is uh they needed some players.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I guess some people got injured or they just couldn't fill the roster or wherever.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Remember Chris Hesse, he was the district attorney's office.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: So Chris was on the team.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: His cousin and I went to church together, okay.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Rick Hunsinger, and Rick said to me, Hey, you play softball, right?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I do.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Are you on a team?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or because we need some people for whatever.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, next thing you know, I played for D.A.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Law and the softball team for maybe two years.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Now Curtis was on that team.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember who else besides Chris Hess was on the team.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure probably maybe some people that are still here.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: I played a lot of softball.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: I played with Chris and his brother Robbie for for a few years, probably after that team you're talking about.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, you move on.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing other things now.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm enjoying bowling now, so that's a little less physical.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it really is.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Detective Sergeant Charles Wells is with me.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: So how much time do you got left?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: How much time do you want to keep working left?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I'm at at the point that I could retire most anytime, but I still enjoy very much what I'm doing.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: So really hadn't set a set a date yet, but you know, it'll probably be soon.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: You're a bit of an anomaly in that department, though, because a lot of people, you know, they have the countdown calendar and the whole thing.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they're they're counting down the days until they can retire because it's it's a high stress job.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a lot of pressure on you guys.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I knew coming in to law enforcement that I wanted to work in investigations, and I've been very, very fortunate in my career to to have been able to be there and work in that capacity for a lot for the majority of my career.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been involved in a lot of cases, and honestly, it's gonna be hard for me to walk away from some of those unsolved cases.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I I think that's that's what's holding me still a little bit.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: So a question I always ask, and I give you a couple seconds to think about this, so I'm not sure if you have an answer or not.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: You've been here long enough that you're probably an open book, and most people know everything.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: But is there something, one thing, that most people around here don't know about you?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: You got some kind of hidden nugget that you can share with us?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Probably what people don't know is I really enjoy to read.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Patricia Cornwall is one of my favorite authors.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I re I enjoy reading.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I I imagine most people don't know that.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: They probably wouldn't envision you just sitting quietly reading a book.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not if they've come off the basketball court with you.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Most likely not.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: And took an elbow.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Have you accidentally injured anyone with your competitiveness at the APD?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: Not that I know of.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um retired Lieutenant Kevin West did my background check when I got hired here, and he called one of my friends and said, you know, tell me something about him, and he said he'll do anything to win but cheat.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take that.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good thing to wrap things up on.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Detective Sergeant Charles Wells, thanks for spending some time and happy Grandparents' Day to you.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, thanks so much for having me.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Executive Assistant Julie Wojik is joining me.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Julie, thank you.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for having me.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And happy in advance Grandparents' Day.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Coming up on September 13th.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of times I get resistance from people here when I present to them the idea of joining me on the pod squad here.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I had an idea that I'm like, this is not going to have any resistance because people that are grandparents love to talk about their grandkids.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: So when I say, hey, let's be on the podcast, let's do some talking about your grandkids.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody said no.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I definitely did not resist.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is my first with no rejections.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Three for three, betting a thousand.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you are one of the proud grandparents.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: When did that happen?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: May 17th of last year.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: So the critter's not talking yet.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_04: He's he is saying a few things, but he is not talking.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: We we don't have conversations yet.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_04: He's about 15 months old.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Has your name been decided?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it has.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And who decided that?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: I did.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: You got to pick it?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: I got to pick it.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: And it is Lolly.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Lolly.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's got to be a story with that.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: I guess it comes from the fact that, well, number one, my grandparents, some of them have very traditional names, Grammy, Grampy, things like that.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: I wasn't one that felt I wanted something super traditional.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: I'm probably not your average grandparent.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_04: And my paternal grandparents were Oma and Opa.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: I've always loved those names.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: To me, it just felt unique and different, kind of away from the traditional, you know, Mimi, gaga, something like that.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So they were, I'm guessing, German or yep, that's a German thing.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, it is.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_04: So thinking outside the box, I I couldn't take Omah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: I just I would not take that from her because I am I I could never live up to what my OMA was.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: However, actually my daughter's uh stepchildren, their grandmother on her husband's side uh is AMA, and it's too close to Oma.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's real close.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_04: I felt like that might be a little confusing.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: I would never get that right.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Ama Oma, Oma, Ama.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: That's just so I wanted to go with something a little more modern.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_04: And I I think I saw a sign in a shop somewhere that said Lolly and Pop are always welcome here.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, oh my goodness, this sounds adorable.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Did you get the sign?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_04: I did not buy the sign.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: At the time I was not a grandparent.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: You got to get the sign.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta find out where that was or get it online or something.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta get that sign.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's a song that's called Hello Dolly.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the song Hello Dolly.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you need someone to maybe reproduce that with Hello Lolly.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh, I like that.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: So Hello Lolly.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then and then maybe every time you enter the room, it's kind of like walking through the room.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: That would be perfect.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: You would be announced every time.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: So people would look at you and say, You're not old enough to be a grandmother.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, that is very common.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure you take that as a compliment.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, I do.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm sure people are surprised as well.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_04: They are, yes.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna ask your age.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's impolite to ask a woman her age, but you certainly do not look old enough to be a grandparent.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell Well, thank you.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: And my my first reaction is I am older than you think.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_04: So I'll take it.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, old enough, obviously, because it happened.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: It did.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: It did.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: It happened.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: How many kids do you have?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: I just have one.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: So all the pressure there for future grandchildren or very much so it stops with her.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is it is there just going to be the one?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do they have a plan?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_04: Well, she has two stepchildren.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so technically they have three together.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: At this point, given the nature of her business and her husband's age, things like that, I think they might be stopping at one.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, at least you got one.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: They wanted a boy and they got a boy, so they're very happy.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's perfect.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have an aunt and uncle that wanted a boy, and they squeezed out, I think, six girls.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Finally got the boy and they stopped there, but by then there's seven.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_04: That is a lot.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_04: My daughter, she is she has no plans for that many children.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: Now, when she was younger, she always said she wanted to be a mother, which is is wonderful.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_04: She's always loved children uh from a young age on.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: And she always joked.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I wouldn't say she joked.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: She told me she wanted 10 children.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I continue to joke with her about that.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, remember, you said 10.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_04: We're one down.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, we want 10.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_04: Let's keep going.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you enjoy the most so far?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously a young one, not walking around and doing all those things.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: What's your favorite part so far?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_04: His personality.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he's just so much fun.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_04: He's expressive.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_04: Watching the changes, the changes happen every single time I see him.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_04: She lives in a different state, which not very far away, but she is still 45 minutes to an hour away.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't get to see them daily.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_04: So when I do see them weekly or every two weeks, they're just constant changes.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_04: And the the change from crawling to walking to running, you know, all of these things and just the personality that comes through in everything he does.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell Yeah.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Once somebody gets in their twenties, you don't quite see those changes on a weekly basis.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's just really not.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you look the same as last time.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I hope so.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: But when you're that young, you're right.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Vast difference every single time, right?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: So what are you looking forward to?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something in your mind like I can't wait to do this?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_04: I can't wait to take him on outings, just he and I, you know, to do the grandmother thing.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um so far we've gone on outings, the three of us or the four of us with her husband if he's not working or something.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_04: So of course that's fun.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: But I can't wait until she says, Okay, mom, just take him, go have fun, you know, spend the day together, whatever fun activity he wants to do.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_04: When he's able to communicate with me and you know, we start to learn the things that he enjoys doing or the things he enjoys playing with.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_04: I really look forward to those types of visits and the overnights and baking cookies and are you gonna be one of those spoilers like the total spoil grandma that's of course.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, I I guess that's that's the fun part, right?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_04: It is the fun part.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so do you have a nickname for him yet?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_04: Well, when he was uh an infant, I called him Butterbean.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: So I try to call him Butterbean as often as possible.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_04: You know, random things will come out at different times.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, little man, of course, is as he gets older, he'll probably not lean into the butterbean so much, you know.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like he might be lolly.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: Can can we not?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can get beat up on the playground for that one.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's okay.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Executive assistant Julie Wojack joins me.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, executive assistant to the chief of police.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so you've been with APD about a year, a little more than a year.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: Year and a half.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Year and a half.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I've been here about two and a half.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you're in the desk that I was in when I first started here.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Much more appropriate for your particular position than it was for me.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone kind of thought that I was doing what you do then.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: And they would ask me those type of things, like schedules for this person or that person.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I don't know.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they're looking at me like, well, you must be some kind of idiot.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm like, well, that's not what I do.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: But now that you're in that desk, you're the perfect person for it.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_04: Well, thank you.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: You've got the pulse of the third floor.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: If someone wants to know something, they go to Julie.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_04: I hope so.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: I hope to be that person.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Are you enjoying it so far?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_04: I love it.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely love it.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't trade it for the world.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is not your first foray into this type of public service.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: You worked for the sheriff's office, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, how long were you there?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_04: I was there for almost five years.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they had some turnover.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_04: They did.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And you decided to come over here.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: And we're glad to have you.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: But like a lot of people, especially professional staff, you had a career before the Asheville Police Department, before the Buncombe County Sheriff's Office.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: What was that?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_04: I have done multiple things, but that my primary career was I owned a business with my ex-husband.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_04: We had a photography business, so I managed and operated that.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and then I did go into an administrative assistant role at a school, a small private school.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's kind of where I gained the majority of my experience as far as the assistant role in taking on sort of all the needs of the people around me.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: In a way, I kinda it being a small school.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: There's not an as many people as needed to run operations.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: And so I probably ran the school at times.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: Little Jack of All Trades.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: The go-to.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: You were kind of the handyman of sorts.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're kind of fixing things, doing things, a little bit of everything.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: So where are you from originally?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_04: I am from Spartanburg, South Carolina.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's a town that, you know, looked at as kind of the little brother to Greenville for the longest time.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was more industrial, but Spartanburg is really coming along.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: It really is.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: It is growing like crazy.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people, I know people that have moved there because uh affordable housing and the downtown situation has gotten much better.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: Much better.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's like all kinds of different businesses and things like that.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yes, Spartanburg is really on the rise.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: It used to kind of, you know, Greenville-Spartonburg was kind of like Greenville.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: Greenville, yes.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it still is a much bigger city.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's got the big downtown and all those different things and all the events and whatever.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: But Spartanburg is no slouch.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: They are up and coming, I tell you.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_04: They just got their own baseball team.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: The Spartanburgers.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: That is one of the greatest names.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I know some people didn't like it.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is it everybody?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's silly, but it's great.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's minor league baseball.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: If there's any place you can get a little silly with naming and mascots, it's there.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_04: I agree.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: Growing up, I remember asking my dad, what do you call someone that lives in Spartanburg?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: And he said, a Spartan burger.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: And I just absolutely died laughing.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_04: It was a joke, really.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: But looking back now and seeing that we have Spartan burgers as the mascot for the baseball team, it just warms my heart.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because Asheville doesn't really have one.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's Ash Asheville and Ashevilian, whatever.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: No one uses that word.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't sound great.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean I'm from Buffalo.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: They use Buffalonian a little bit, but no one uses that one either.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like, say, New Yorker.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone kind of knows that one.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Spartanburger.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_04: It kind of has a ring to it.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: It just rolls right off.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it does.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: You left Spartanburg at when in your life?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_04: I left Spartanburg in this has been about 20 years now that I moved up here to Western North Carolina to start my business.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So you your formative years were all in Spartanburg.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Do you go to school, college, anything like that?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Technical school, anything?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, absolutely.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_04: Graduated in Spartanburg High School and then went on to Converse College and got my bachelor's.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_04: So I stayed in Spartanburg.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Converse College, not the home to Converse sneakers.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_04: It should be That is correct.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Should be said.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: There is zero connection.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: None whatsoever.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: So got you've been here for about 20 years.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Do you love Western North Carolina?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: Love it.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: I would not go back.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_04: My daughter lives in Spartanburg.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: I love to go visit, but I love to return back to the mountains.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: So even as a grandmother, you wouldn't move down there once you say retired to kind of be closer?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's questionable.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_04: I it's hotter.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's so much hotter.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: And I just even as a child, I dreamed of living in the mountains, and here I am.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: So it's it's hard to think about going back.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_04: But I do love where I am.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_04: I am currently in Arden, and it's so close.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_04: She lives in the northern part of Spartanburg.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: So it's literally about 45 minutes away.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's not that bad.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_04: Now, deeper into Spartanburg, it could take an hour, hour and fifteen, hour and twenty to get there, but we're still close enough.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard the podcast before?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: I have.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to lie.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: You've actually listened to it.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: I have actually listened to So you know the question that is coming.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: One thing that most people don't know about you, Julie Wojak.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: I wish I had thought about this in a few years.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you should have.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you knew it's coming.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: It just it everyone gets asked that question.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: How about a hobby?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Throw a hobby out there.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: There we go.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's perfect.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm an artist.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: So what is your specialty in the world of art?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: My specialty is painting.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_04: I love to paint clouds.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: They're my focus.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: So I tend to do a very minimal landscape at the bottom.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: Mountains I tend to lean towards the case.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is there any happy trees in there?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: No, I don't do happy trees.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: No, we're we're not Bob Ross here, you know.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: But I think about the happy trees for sure.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: But I focus on clouds.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: Clouds are just so beautiful and unique that I love to have a painting that is primarily clouds with just a small landscape at the bottom.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_04: You know, focus on color and shapes and the beauty of the sky.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we need to find like a gallery to host the art of APD.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because I already know of two people.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: You and Deputy Chief Sean Artemis is a pencil artist.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got two people already with their works.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_04: I bet we could find some more.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: I bet we could find some more.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't that be cool?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: We need to do a gallery.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_04: I like it.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think that would take.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I need to start poking around about it.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think that'd be good.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be a lot of fun.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, happy grandparents' day, or Lolly Day in your case, right?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Now your critter hasn't said it yet, though, right?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: He has not said it yet.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_04: We're working on it.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: That'll be a good idea.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: Trust me.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: I try I try every time.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Lolly's here.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Executive assistant to the chief, Julie Wojik.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for joining me.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for having me.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Joining me now and getting to know Dale Andrewich and Haley Andrewich.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Am I pronouncing that right first and foremost?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Am I getting that right?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_05: Andrew Levich.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_05: Damn it.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's okay.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_05: Is it really?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_06: That's okay.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_06: It happens.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm usually good with names because I do a lot of public address announcing and I see a lot of names.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_06: The W is tricky.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_06: There actually used to be a Z at the end.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_06: But then the grandmother on their side Ditched it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_06: Ditched it.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_06: They ditched it when they came over from Poland.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: So they just said, you know, people can't do this.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're just going to get rid of the Z.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so I also have some Polish in my background.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: I've got Polish and German on one side of my family, English and Irish on the other side of my family.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: I even love Polish foods like pierogies and everything.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm totally on Team Poland and Team Andrelevich.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: We've got Dale and Haley, though, our first, I believe, mother-daughter combination, and the only one, I think, at the Asheville Police Department.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think you guys are the only ones.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now, obviously, only one is a grandmother, the other is a mother, and Grandparents' Day is coming up in September.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, Dale, you being the grandparent, I'll welcome you first.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for joining me.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you for having me.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_06: I appreciate it.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then if having Haley join was actually kind of a last-minute thing that I should have thought of previous.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, uh one question I've been asking everybody is what is your grandparent name?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like what is the nickname?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: We've got Lolly and Pop so far, is our two others.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_06: He calls me Mimi.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Mimi.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got Mimi, Pop, and Lolly.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Those are our three grandparents.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Who decided that name?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_06: I did.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you picked it.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: So two of our three, they got to select their own.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now in the other cases, uh the kids are they're not even really speaking yet.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: So they're it's trying to be taught.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: So uh as the mom Haley, right?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: So let's start with you at the police department because you were here first.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: A little over five years, right?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah, coming at like five and a half years now.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's talk about your story just a little bit.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Are you from Asheville or where did you come from?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_05: No, I'm from New Jersey originally.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_05: So moved down here like twenty seventeen and then I got the job here in twenty twenty one.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you didn't come down for the job.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: What else did you do before that?
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_05: I was a photographer, yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so somebody else on this particular episode, Julie Wojik, uh fellow member of the uh the Polish Mafia.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so she is also a photographer, ran a business.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I just worked for Life Touch, so I did the school photography in the area.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_05: So I traveled all around Western North Carolina.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so now when I was growing up, it was Oland Mills was the big famous one that do you remember do you remember that one?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: See, Dale does, she's shaking her head.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: She remembers.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: That was the official school photography way back in the day, was the Olan Mills photos.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: And they always did this, like it was really super cheesy the way that they did it.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: They had to like turn to the side, and then they have like the mystical head floating in the distance and like the two shots.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was Oh yeah.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was very seventies and eighties.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I remember most.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_05: And we didn't do anything like that.
• 30:17
  unknown: Yeah.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: So why the Asheville Police Department?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell I saw an opportunity and I I wanted to get out of I there was so much traveling.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: I was getting up really, really early, like four o'clock in the morning.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes I'd have to drive really far.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: And I I wanted to use I have a degree in communication.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_05: So I wanted to do something more in in my degree field.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_05: And um my first job here was the administrative assistant in the in CID.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um and then the HR Liaison position came available like almost two years later.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_05: So I've been doing that for since then.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: All right, and your mom, Dale.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: How about you?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: What's your story?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_06: Um, my story is that originally I'm from New York.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_06: I was born on Staten Island, met their dad, got married, moved to New Jersey, uh, raised our children there.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, life happens.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_06: Uh finally in 2018, sold my house.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_06: I needed to downsize.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_06: My youngest moved from Pennsylvania.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_06: She moved out to Colorado, so that's the youngest.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_06: I have three children.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_06: And um I started working remotely.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_06: And it was great because when she had Levi, I was able to come up here, come down here, I should say, and be able to take care of him when she went back to work before he could go to daycare.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_06: And then that job closed down and I needed to find a new job and the opportunity here.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_06: So I applied, and thankfully I got the job so that I could be closer to two of my children and my grandson.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: And far enough away, a couple of floors, right?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: So and you're in the records department.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so is there other grandchildren or just leave out?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_06: There there is.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_06: There's a granddaughter, she will be two at the end of September.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_06: Um, she's out in Texas.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_06: But daddy does bring her here often so that he flies out, picks her up, brings her here, and we get to hang out with her.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_06: In fact, she'll be here this weekend.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: So how does this dynamic work with you guys at the same place?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Is it good?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Is it Yeah?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's lovely.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_06: I get to see them I get to see her a lot more than I had before when they moved down here.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_06: I do.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_06: I really Yeah, it's funny, and we don't actually see each other that much.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like at work.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone here's busy.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, running all over the place.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, being in records, that you're gonna stay in there most of the time because you need to handle things, right?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: From there.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I know what you do upstairs, you're busy all the time as well.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not like anyone is sitting around here twiddling their thumbs all the time, just you know, getting caught up.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it gives you a chance maybe go to lunch once in a while or do things like that, I would imagine, right?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'll be able to if she needs to bring me something, or if if I have to work late and she has to pick up Levi, I can just I mean, she's got a car seat now, but before she I could just give her the car seat, she could go grab him for me, and or if she needs to like uh when we had those late trainings, I was I went and picked him up, and when she got off, she was able to just hang out with him here and um I was able to take him home.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_05: And so it was nice to be able to have somebody to that I can rely on to to help me with him when I need help.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I've seen Levi, you brought him here.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Is this a pretty I mean it seems like it's a very family friendly environment.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I just think so.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: We've had several people that have had children while here and able to watch the children on the job.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Miranda is another one.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: In matter of fact, I what I saw here earlier today, you guys were working on a room in the patrol area just for mothers.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, our mother's room.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_05: So it's gonna be pumping room or you know, it's whatever is whatever is.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you need, yeah.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like because I all three of us, Lauren, Miranda, and I all all pumped while we worked here.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_05: So it would have been nice to have that space while while we were doing it.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, we're just trying to get it to a to a good spot, especially with our with our initiative to hire more women.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_05: It's yeah, we definitely need to have um a space where that where they can come and be comfortable.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: And we've had female officers that have had children while working here and had to take some time off, of course, during that, but they would have probably loved a room like that just if they could just check in really quick, which is pretty awesome.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so is there something else at the Asheville Police Department, Dale, you see yourself doing, or are you just kind of liking what you're doing over there in Wakers?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_06: I love what I'm doing.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_06: I really do.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_06: I love engaging with the people that come in and trying my best to help them and trying to diffuse some of the people that are coming in and they're a little agitated.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you must see and hear a lot, like Oh, we do, especially during a full moon.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a real thing?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, it is.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_06: 100% ask anybody.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: So we now have multiple locations where members of the community can go in person and talk to somebody.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Now we we have station 13, uh, and we also have the tanker outlets, and we of course have downtown, and those are the three locations they can go in person.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: People, I don't think people realize they can do that anymore.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like everything seems so call here, go online there.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: They still have a way to connect with the Astro Police Department, like in person.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you see people coming every day.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I see them as I'm coming and going through that lobby area, and some people in various states of distress.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: So do you have people that like something just happened to be downtown?
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like tourists or whatnot, right?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's great for that.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: And to have you guys down there, you and who else is down there?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: You got Danny?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_06: So I got Danny, Felicia, my supervisor, okay, and then Stephanie.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Stephanie Beers can also so she can chip in if she needs to.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_06: And sometimes she'll build calls for us so that we when we need an officer right away.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Haley, you're kind of a one-man show kind of up there in the fourth floor.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: You work mostly with B L E T.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_05: Is that kind of or just that whole mostly I work some with B L E T, um, but mostly with um like Craig and recruit in the hiring and recruiting.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that whole area.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of I guess I mostly associate you with that because I ask I have to ask you questions all the time.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_05: And so yeah, yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you kind of so you have the you got the pulse of everybody incoming to the Asheville Police Department.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, I do.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_05: I try and keep track of all of our historical numbers too, and I can help answer questions if people call and they're looking to get hired on here.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_05: Or I, you know, I sit on the panels and stuff.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I didn't sit on her panel.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_05: I want that to be clear.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: I did remove myself when she applied.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, the million-dollar question, and we get it once in a while because of our staffing numbers, is how many employees do we have at the Asheville Police Department?
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: And every time that question comes in, it's a difficult one to answer.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's more nuanced than people realize.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.: It is.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_05: So it's it's really hard because like in our eyes, we don't see those in B L E T as sworn officers.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm not including them in my sworn officer number.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: But for the city, they are occupying a sworn officer position.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_05: So according to the city, we have this many vacancies.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_05: But according to us, well, we only have this.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_05: And even with those in field training, they are sworn officers, but they are not solo sworn officers, you know?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_05: So they can't go to a call by themselves yet.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_05: So it's so hard for me sometimes.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like, how many sworn officers do we have?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_05: Well, do you want me to include, you know, I have to ask follow-up questions where I'm like, what number do you want exactly?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you even have people that are at training, and technically, if they're at training for an extended period of time, they don't count.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: FMLA.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_05: FMLA.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: You have administrative leave if you have an officer-involved shooting, which we've had this summer.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got that count.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then but technically, an officer is somebody that's even like a a cadet.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Technically, they're on the payroll.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yes, they are.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: So they count, but they're not sworn in any way, shape, or form yet.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Ross Powell, Right.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_05: They can't do anything for us that a police officer can do.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: But they're part of the numbers.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus Right, exactly.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus So I know the chief is always hypersensitive when that question comes in to make sure we try and get it right.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: And when we do, we always have to attach all those little criteria to it.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yes, like little asterisks like, but this includes this number.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, but this number includes this and that.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_05: And so yeah, it's hard for me when someone wants just like an answer right away.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, okay, well, there's so many caveats to it.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell But we are getting closer to our official number of 232.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, we are getting much closer.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_05: I mean it's much closer to the same thing.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: At this pace, we hope.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_05: Oh gosh, yeah.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe a year or two.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: Aaron Powell I would think so, yeah.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, and you do have to we do have a good idea of like retirements coming up and all of that.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_05: And sometimes people quit out of nowhere, so we never we can't really account for that sometimes.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_05: But we have a good idea of it.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_05: So I I would definitely say in a year or two we're gonna, you know, we're in a much better place than we were six years ago.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Powell You know, retirements is something I've thought about, even though I I've only been with the department a little less than three years and you a little over two, right?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're about the same.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think you got here a few months after I did.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: But we're kind of of that age and we start thinking about it.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: So even though we haven't been here that long, retirement starts to be something.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: So now you're in the place where you've got at least one grandkid.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: So how much longer do you think you're gonna be working?
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_06: As long as I'm healthy.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_06: As long as I can, and as long as I'm healthy, if God says 10, 15 years, I'll do it.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I love working.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I'd love the opportunity to watch them grow.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_06: And it I I have time to take off if I have to.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_06: So there's really there's no rush.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_06: Honestly, there's no rush for me to be tired.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's nice, it's nice to have that.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I've always said to myself, I don't have a date.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I just want to get to that point where I work because I want to and not because I have to.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_06: And that's exactly what it is.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_06: I love my job.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_06: I really love engaging with the people.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_06: I love helping people.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_06: So for me, it's not even a hardship.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_06: I'm I really do love my job.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_06: I wish I found this years ago.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you found your calling late in life.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_06: I found my calling late in life, yes.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you like helping people, I guess.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_06: I totally do, yes.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Have you always been that way?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: So what else did you do before here?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: You had I bet you did something.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_06: Actually, before the before here, so I worked for a home health aid agency.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_06: So I was their lead, um, their lead person to um schedule people and um interview people, help with training, bring them out to greet, meet the customer, the other person, find out exactly what the person's needs are, and make sure that the person I'm bringing to the table to their c home is filling that need.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_06: I would train them with certain machinery, like a hoyer lift, uh if they needed that.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, that's what I did.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you're a people person and a problem solver.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_06: Kind of, yeah, I guess.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: So kind of perfect for your position with the Asheville Police Department, right?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's important.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: And one thing we see, and I can hear it in your voice, and I know Haley, I've heard it in yours.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people that work here, they're passionate about their jobs and the people they work with.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a certain camaraderie, and I guess it's the nature maybe of the job of working for a police department, but it seems like everybody's got everyone's back.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think you kind of have to here.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like mom's a very empathetic person.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_05: So I think in a lot of ways it's it's really nice, especially if somebody's in, you know, extremely upset or distressed.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_05: Like I think she's good at calming people down or like bringing, you know, kind of reeling them in or just you just empathizing with them.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_05: So um I think it's a good position for her.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_05: And then and then my position, I just I like helping the officers and our employees here.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_05: I I really do enjoy the work I do.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_05: So um so yeah, I think it it's a good fit overall.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: So with Grandparents Day this month, you've got two, right?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not gonna put the pressure on the other person in the room right now, but uh you have another other kids elsewhere.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard rumors of anyone else wanting more?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_06: I know that my youngest daughter, when she gets married, she does want to, she and her fiance want to have it.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so there's one child at least.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_06: And actually my son, too.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_06: He just recently got engaged, so he as well is talking about it.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: So more little ones to play with, huh?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_05: Levi's always gonna be your favorite, though.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_05: I we do love Grace too.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_05: She's such a sweet little angel.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know how she is just like the cutest little girl ever.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_05: Levi's really good with her.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, baby Grace is coming, we're gonna see her.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, Yay! He's so excited.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_05: How old's Levi now?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_05: Levi's four.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_05: Four.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_05: Almost four and a half.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_05: Almost four and a half, yeah.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Time does fly, doesn't it?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_05: I just looked at his little height chart.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_05: He's grown five inches since last June.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_05: Holy cow.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_05: He's grown so much.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_05: I couldn't believe it.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: They get old so fast, as they say.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_06: I think you notice it more so as a grandparent because when you're in it, you're in it.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_06: As a parent, you're in it and you're in everything.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_06: You're in the muddiness, you're in everything.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_06: But as a grandparent, you're really noticing like all the milestones without the stress.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_06: It's very interesting.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_06: Like I'll I'll watch him and I watch him grow.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_06: And when I was watching him as a a newborn, and um we would watch Miss Rachel, and I would see sign language, and he would learn all those things.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_06: And the brain, just really watching the brain go and learn so much.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_06: Like a sponge, yeah.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_06: I just I yeah, I love it.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: I saw this comedian do a skip about the shows that kids watch now, like Miss Rachel, you mentioned that, and Blueies and all these different things versus what we watched growing up, and he started doing these breakdowns of all the uh Hanna Barbera characters Yosemite Sam and Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: These were all the ones, and we never thought about this growing up.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the way he broke it down, they're they've all got speech impediments, they're all trying to kill each other.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, you know, I never really thought of it that way.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: Children's programming is much more wholesome.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_06: Very different.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_06: That's true.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they were in the Barney, the Barney era.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_06: They were in the Barney era, and that was just thinking.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_06: About Barney, the dinosaur now.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_06: Leave I liked it.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_06: There's a cartoon.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, he does.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that I wasn't like a parent or anywhere near that.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love you.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm sure it's wholesome and great and everything, but equally annoying at the same time.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, yes.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so Dale, uh obviously a mother and a grandmother, no pressure, but which one did you enjoy more?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'm actually enjoying being a grandmother more because it's reminding me of when they were little, when she was little.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm embracing all those little moments, and I remember when Haley would do this.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_06: I remember the cute little girl that would just want to sit on mommy's lap all the time.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm getting that, you know, reminders and glimpses of the past and enjoying the present moment with Levi.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Did you get any of those?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it happened with Haley.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna let that happen again.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_06: I don't think so.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_06: No, I don't, you know, he was a big thing.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: You were pretty well, was she a pretty well-behaved girl?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: She was a great girl.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_06: She was a great baby.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_06: I was great.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_06: She was fantastic.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_06: Very she was very serious and very observant, but she loved her mama, you know.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_06: So she would just watch everything.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um smart as a whip, walking at nine months because she wanted to keep up with her older brother.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, she was a really good girl.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_06: The only thing she didn't like was her little sister.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm guessing that's changed.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yes, it has changed.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: You get along now, do you?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, we get along now.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: But was there a little bit of that growing up?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, I don't really remember it because I was so little.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_05: I was probably Levi's age when she was born.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, or actually a little bit younger, but he but yeah, I just didn't like it.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_05: She just took all the attention, I think.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like so you were the were you the middle one?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, I'm the middle child.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, see, there it is.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_06: Struggle, struggle bus.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_06: She took a toy the one time and threw it in the playpen and hit Heather in the eye.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, jeez.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_06: She's got a scar now.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_06: She has a scar on her eyebrow.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: See, I knocked my brother's teeth out playing hockey.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, it happens, right?
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: In my case, it was not on purpose for the record.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: You threw that toy on purpose, it sounds like yeah.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_05: Sounded like an impulse thing.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: Now you can look back and laugh.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe she doesn't feel the same way.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_05: Just bring it up sometimes.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, sure you got to.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's all part of it.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Haley, Dale, Andrilevich.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_06: Boom.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for joining us and Happy Grandparents' Day.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you very much.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for having us.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's it for the grandparents' edition of the APD Pod Squad.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you to my guests, Detective Sergeant Charles Wells, Executive Assistant Julie Wojik, Records Clerk Dale Andrelevich, and her daughter, APD Administrative Assistant Haley Andrelevich.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Happy Grandparents' Day to them and to all the grandparents listening.
• 46:58
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• 47:00
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• 47:09
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• 47:23
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