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This Is What Happens When You Don't Verify Credentials · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
• 0:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for watching and listening.
• 0:07
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• 0:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'd greatly appreciate that.
• 0:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We do have this huge goal of wanting to reach and help at least three billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond.
• 1:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we can't do that without your help.
• 1:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We aren't here without you wanting the show.
• 1:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, we could have packed up a long time ago and just said, you know what?
• 1:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um we're done, we're finished.
• 1:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But um it's uh from from you, from your demand all over the world, not just here in the United States, and that's just mind-blowing to me.
• 1:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and we're we're grateful, and I personally am absolutely grateful and thankful that you are uh with us on this particular episode, and you can let your contacts know that they can get the voices for voices podcast wherever they get podcasts and wherever you get podcasts.
• 1:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we are everywhere.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, we have a lot of options.
• 2:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So no matter where you're at, if you're traveling, you're home, you're on the go, uh, you can find Voices for Voices.
• 2:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if this is your first show, welcome.
• 2:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you've been with us from the beginning, welcome back.
• 2:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if this is your first show, we have quite the catalog, over 540 episodes.
• 2:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um so we have quite the the uh the the catalog that uh the you can probably find quite a few uh earlier shows that we we have completed that uh you'd uh find interesting and want to listen and would like to watch.
• 2:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So don't take it from me, take it from the viewers or listeners.
• 2:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's because of you that we're here.
• 2:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh today is a uh sorry if my nose is itching for some reason.
• 3:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh today's a Monday when we're filming.
• 3:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Mondays are I don't know, Mondays get a bad rap.
• 3:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um because it in most cases means back to work, back to back to the grind, back to uh yeah, back to work.
• 3:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And with us, we really don't have I'd say every day of the week on any given week, uh yesterday being a uh a rare exception where we haven't filmed or we haven't edited uh shows.
• 3:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but every day's a Monday for us, so uh we don't have quite that I don't know, that nervous feeling that kind of comes over you know around you know two or three in the afternoon, or maybe even sooner, maybe a little bit later, that the body recognizes that tomorrow's Monday, I gotta get back into the real world, yeah, working working at nine to five, the eight to five, the nine to nine, whatever whatever your uh your hours are.
• 4:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I think with us being a well-oiled machine, we're able to minimize the amount of time that we are filming and and that and editing from the beginning.
• 5:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now everything's relative.
• 5:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh at the beginning, it took quite a long time to go through the process.
• 5:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh still takes a a bit of time to go through the process, but the early days were the days that were and they were brutal.
• 5:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They were very, very brutal, and and that's why I said what I said about we could have packed it up, and I'm like, you know what, I'm not gonna you know take my time to uh to do this.
• 5:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There and then stories started and feedback started coming back to us about the importance and how our show at one time or another has either helped them, you, somebody you know, somebody another person knows.
• 6:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that's when we we thought, you know, this is bigger than us, this is bigger than me as a person, this is bigger than me and others with the organization.
• 6:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It really is.
• 6:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And when you find out that what you're working on could very well be bigger than you know, just the you know, the eight to five, and you know, what's the reward to it?
• 6:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, for me, helping somebody so they don't take their life, I think that's a pretty big thing.
• 6:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do you get paid for all that?
• 6:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's like, no, not necessarily.
• 7:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're gonna do our thing.
• 7:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, if you're you're interested, come on back.
• 7:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we've had a lot of return uh listeners, return viewers.
• 7:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um it's uh it's one of those things where you have to be you have to be confident in what you're doing.
• 7:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And like I said, those early days, you know, I I I I was doing a lot of looking around.
• 7:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
• 7:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know about this.
• 7:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is this gonna this gonna pan out?
• 7:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is this gonna work out?
• 7:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And now here we are, 540 episodes, our downloads and views and the stats that statistics that we can see, the analytics we can see, uh are just exploding.
• 8:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh this month is gonna be at least over was it 2021 we started?
• 8:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think it was at the end of the year 2021.
• 8:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Anyways, so in all the all the years that we've we've done this show, all the months that have ticked by, all right, because time doesn't stop, doesn't stand still.
• 8:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes we want it to keep going and go faster and faster and faster.
• 8:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
• 8:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I used to be like that, you know, wait for that, you know, the next big thing, and I still have that.
• 9:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I still have that you know impatience.
• 9:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but I think that's just me as a human being, that uh that's all that is.
• 9:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh it's uh I I mean you see me shaking my head and at a loss for words at times, but it's it's because it's true.
• 9:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we would not be here, we would not have a show, we would not have an organization, we would not be where we are and where we're going if it wasn't for you.
• 9:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you.
• 10:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, you see the hand, see the hands and the heart in the middle.
• 10:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, we want to be careful with everybody's heart.
• 10:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes topics are very hard to talk about.
• 10:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes they're easy to talk about.
• 10:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But this this doesn't depict me or anybody at our organization.
• 10:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is the higher power.
• 10:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is for me.
• 10:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is God.
• 10:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He's got He's got us.
• 10:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He's got our hearts in his hands.
• 10:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: While we think we have control, we really don't.
• 10:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We may be offer two different decisions and we can pick which one we want, but that doesn't mean that one of the decisions was one that came from him.
• 11:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So getting back to the Monday, the Monday discussion.
• 11:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't want to wake up this morning.
• 11:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was snoozing.
• 11:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Literally.
• 11:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's very uh as as I'm uh you know thinking and uh as we're we're having this episode go, I'm trying to think of I'm trying to think of how many times my al uh over the years that my alarm's gone off to wake me up, and it's been more than like a minute or two for me to turn it off and then wake up.
• 12:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But today was one of those.
• 12:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Today was a rough one.
• 12:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was like, can I just can I just sleep us a little bit more?
• 12:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think that's another telltale sign of us and our organization, where there's a lot of days we don't want to wake up.
• 12:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want to keep sleeping.
• 12:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't want to say like we don't want to wake up.
• 12:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just that we just want to keep sleeping.
• 12:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want to wake up.
• 12:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean that that's for me as a given.
• 12:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but yeah, I uh my alarm went off for quite a while.
• 13:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and then there's times where I'll turn the alarm off, not realizing I turned the alarm off.
• 13:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and then I wake up and it's like an hour later, and I'm like, oh no.
• 13:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was supposed to do you know these two things, just one thing before this time.
• 13:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But we're all human and it's okay.
• 13:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, I can probably count from what I remember, maybe I mean less than ten times.
• 13:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then now this doesn't count.
• 13:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was growing up and my mom was waking me up for school because that was always oh my gosh.
• 13:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It it was it was a struggle to wake up when I was in primary school.
• 14:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Very much so, very much so.
• 14:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So Mondays just are the one of those days where the week's getting started.
• 14:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want a little extra rest.
• 14:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I had a uh an errand I needed to run by a certain time.
• 14:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But then I was like, well, then I'm not gonna get to the gym, which today was an on day, not an off day.
• 14:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I was like, alright, so this is where it's like a domino effect, right?
• 15:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So hit the snooze, don't wake up in time, and sort of rushing around trying to get the you know, get get everything situated, and then get to the gym.
• 15:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now there's plenty of time for me to go to the gym.
• 15:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I have a lot of hours of the day that I can choose to go.
• 15:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A lot of hours.
• 15:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just thought, well, I'm up.
• 15:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's in the vicinity of the air that I'm uh have to run.
• 15:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I probably need to wake up.
• 15:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I need to wake up right now.
• 15:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I can't sleep more.
• 16:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I got up, so I woke up.
• 16:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And the day got started, and everything was just fine.
• 16:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Went to run my errand, went to the gym, got back, and here we are, we're we're doing a show.
• 16:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, the weekend was pretty pretty productive.
• 16:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just hard when it feels like not making the right decision or decisions.
• 16:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's that whole prioritizing thing.
• 16:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I don't I guess I don't do it very well.
• 17:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's something that I'm trying to work on.
• 17:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then I bounce try to balance that with what we're doing with voices for voices.
• 17:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Cause we're not a fly by night show, fly by night organization.
• 17:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not here and then gone.
• 17:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't pick up the most popular Hollywood buzz or you know, the these terms that are trending by our showing organization is rooted in mental health, no matter what.
• 17:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Whether it was when we started the organization and whether we're right here right now and into the future.
• 18:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some organizations can say that.
• 18:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not all though.
• 18:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's okay to evolve as a company, as an organization.
• 18:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just prefer that the reason why we're doing what we're doing is because when we got started, those were the things that got us started.
• 18:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I think that it is a good thing to stick with and stay grounded in the I won't say philosophy, but stay grounded in the activities, the themes.
• 19:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, I I look at it so many other organizations.
• 19:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So many are doing so great work.
• 19:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But they're looking for the buzzwords, they're looking for what's trending.
• 19:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we're not.
• 19:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're looking at how do we survive?
• 19:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How do we how do we get through this as a human race?
• 19:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How do we get through these times of darkness?
• 20:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How do we get through people talking down on us?
• 20:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And not even that, not even just that.
• 20:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But how do we get through when people don't say anything?
• 20:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's not the fact that they say too much.
• 20:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It it's just getting the cold shoulder.
• 20:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like, all right, so do I exist or do I not exist?
• 20:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that for me is is is very hard.
• 21:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's very hard.
• 21:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If somebody says something so you at least know where they they stand or where they're at.
• 21:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But when you see these actions and y don't get a you don't get any feedback that makes somebody not feel great.
• 21:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Wondering if they're doing the right thing.
• 21:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Right things.
• 22:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that's what and that that's without a blueprint of what can I do to get the conversation started again?
• 22:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What can I do?
• 22:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And these are hard, hard, hard, hard, hard topics to talk about.
• 22:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's true though, and that's why we talk about them.
• 22:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because they're personal, because they're intimate, because somebody else is going through or has gone through, or maybe in the future will go through, hopefully not, some of these situations that I'm referring to.
• 23:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, when people talk about like, oh, it hurt feelings and this is the part like in business where I don't I don't get it.
• 23:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So this was a couple years ago.
• 23:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I was given or met through a Chamber of Commerce event, a person I had a need to get voices for voices trademarked and registered and all that with the United States Patent and Trade Office.
• 24:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This individual claim, oh yeah, we could do that.
• 24:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Next thing I know, I'm in a 12-month contract with these individuals, and then I end up spending twelve thousand dollars as opposed to two or three thousand.
• 24:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I was upset at myself.
• 24:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, I think we all spread ourselves too thin sometimes, but that's what I did, that's what I was doing.
• 24:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I had I had spread myself too thin, I wanted to do so many things, and I didn't have any help.
• 25:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I was just I don't know.
• 25:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just went along with it.
• 25:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bad decision, very bad decision.
• 25:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Should have never made it, should have consulted with somebody.
• 25:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Didn't so I was very upset with myself.
• 25:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean it was it was brutal because of the not just because of the money, which was a huge part, but because we weren't getting anywhere as an organization.
• 25:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That twelve thousand didn't put us on a map, you know, as far as like you know, this organization's viral or whatever the thought and thinking process is.
• 26:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Terrible decision.
• 27:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I should have stopped at the beginning and said, nope, this is all I need.
• 27:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Either you can do it or you can't and so it made me upset.
• 27:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Partially at these individuals who are milking me for money, and then me going, Oh, you really screwed this one up, Justin.
• 27:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, those inner inner thoughts that you know come in our minds.
• 27:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, see, told you couldn't do it.
• 27:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I had all this negative tart going on in my mind.
• 28:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, right rightfully so.
• 28:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I made a terrible decision.
• 28:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So then we start questioning are we doing what we want to do?
• 28:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Are we doing what helps people?
• 28:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so you know, we're kind of like looking in the mirror and like evaluating ourselves.
• 28:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like you know, I kind of think of the the scene where you have the cold water and you splash on your face, and then you know, some great idea just comes along.
• 29:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, it wasn't like that for me.
• 29:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think I might have splashed my face with the cold water, but the thing um wasn't wasn't happening, and I wasn't again, I was so bogged down with stuff that didn't even matter with our organization.
• 29:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't mean that I guess I don't mean it it didn't matter, it just didn't matter to the extent it was being told to me.
• 29:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The first thing, man, you gotta get an office.
• 29:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You gotta get an office.
• 29:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You people come see you, blah blah.
• 29:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I got this office space, you know, to really cheap, and I'm sitting there thinking, like, man, we don't have donations to cover this, so I can't get an office.
• 30:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like it doesn't, I I did I just it just won't work.
• 30:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Then there was the event that I held.
• 30:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think it was our second annual, a brand new day event.
• 30:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In this particular organization, I would be kind of not milking me for money.
• 30:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They were telling me this and that, and they would help market it, and they would do this, and they didn't do anything.
• 30:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They didn't they didn't show up to the table and do what they said they were gonna do.
• 30:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, I feel bad when I'm not able to do what I tell somebody that I can do with a high level of certainty.
• 31:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was given, oh yeah, that's easy.
• 31:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll let everybody know.
• 31:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Didn't sell any more extra tickets because of their messages and their marketing, yet I was paying thousands of dollars for this.
• 31:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So all this is just meant to be an experience that I went through.
• 31:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It doesn't mean that everything's close to perfect now, doesn't mean that it just means that I'm a little bit more careful about things like this.
• 32:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like if somebody says, Oh this, this, and that, I'll go and meet with them.
• 32:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Are they a real person?
• 32:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let me see what you you said you can do.
• 32:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, it's all about you know, living and learning and researching and never stop educating ourselves.
• 32:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The reason I went through that whole story, because I don't want you or anybody else to go through something like that.
• 32:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If something doesn't feel right, if the if somebody says, Yeah, Justin, I can do that, have them go through a bunch of the steps to prove to you that they can do this.
• 33:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because what else I learned was that this organization had never done what I was asking them to do.
• 33:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They had never done it, they had no attorney on staff, and ultimately that's when it ended up happening.
• 33:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I ended up not only spending the 12 grand and have it not pan out from no ticket sales, um, no registration from the United States Patent and Trade Office for Voices for Voices, Voices, Voices, for Voices.
• 33:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I had to still go to an attorney and spend five thousand or and even more than what I wanted to spend, but I was so bent on we gotta get this trademarked, we've got to get this trademarked, and that's some of the silliest, worst decision making I've ever made in my life.
• 34:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I have no problem talking about it.
• 34:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because there ain't nobody on this earth that's perfect.
• 34:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody.
• 34:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: No matter, you're not perfect.
• 34:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody is.
• 34:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You just have a lot of people that handle these types of things.
• 34:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you don't have to be in the know and have to worry, you don't have to think about that.
• 35:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, I do.
• 35:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that was the double whammy spending the twelve grand and getting zilch zero in in return and still not having the application file.
• 35:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I had to find an attorney.
• 35:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, I found one.
• 35:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They gouged me, yep.
• 35:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Got the job done finally.
• 35:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just took the person at their word when I met them at this chamber of commerce meeting, that they could do it, that they've done it before, that they know how to do it.
• 36:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They know all the steps, that they know all this and that and the other.
• 36:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They didn't know anything.
• 36:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: No.
• 36:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A review that I did back way back when in that honeymoon phase, the first month or so.
• 36:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm telling you, Hopkins, consulting, marketing, whatever they change their name to, but Hopkins is the name.
• 37:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I vehemently am begging you not to do business with them.
• 37:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm telling you, right here, right now, do not do business with them.
• 37:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They lie.
• 37:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They lie and they lie.
• 37:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They'll take your money, bring you into the office, you know, right?
• 37:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You want some water or coffee?
• 37:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They do the whole thing, the whole dog and pony show.
• 37:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: When it comes down to substance, you're not getting it.
• 38:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So Hopkins.
• 38:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I pray that nobody from our Voices for Voices, viewing, viewership, listenership does any business with you.
• 38:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is a public service announcement.
• 38:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Public safety announcement.
• 38:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Why?
• 38:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because I think losing your money is a public safety concern.
• 38:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not getting the job done, people in the community need to know this.
• 38:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's why we're talking about it.
• 38:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's why we're sharing about it.
• 39:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I was driving home.
• 39:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, finally got that contract finished.
• 39:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I it was like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders.
• 39:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then I put another one on with the attorneys, but at least these attorneys knew what they were doing.
• 39:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: More than Hopkins.
• 39:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do not do business with Hopkins.
• 39:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Please, I'm begging you.
• 39:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you are, get out of your contract if you can.
• 39:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't want to see anybody else hurt.
• 39:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Anyone else swindled?
• 40:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because we started the conversation where it was just gonna be 3,000, they were gonna be able to do the thing, and then it turned into a contract.
• 40:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, oh, we're gonna do all these things for you, all this marketing.
• 40:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And like I said, there were no additional tickets sold from their marketing initiatives.
• 40:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There just wasn't.
• 40:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not gonna sit here and lie about it.
• 40:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There wasn't.
• 40:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we talked a little bit lighthearted.
• 40:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We got into some of the uh some of the harder topics on the Monday.
• 40:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So hopefully you're doing well, getting through it.
• 41:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And thanks for tuning in, being a part of the Voices for Voices family.
• 41:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you can give us a big thumbs up, like, follow, subscribe, share, reshare, repost, pull out your phone if you're on your phone, fill your contacts, reach out to 25, 50, 75, 100, and share the voices for voices podcast with them.
• 41:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They won't be uh they won't be upset, and you won't either, and they can, and you can find our voices for voices podcast wherever you and your contacts get your and their podcast.
• 41:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So wherever you get your podcast from, Voices for Voices is there as well.
• 42:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, let's celebrate the voices of everybody in the world.
• 42:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And let's be a voice for not only ourselves, but somebody else in need.
• 42:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you very much.
• 42:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll see you very soon.
• 42:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye for now.