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We are officially an episode 20. You do have a special episode
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will be released in later in the week, that it was already
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recorded, but we wanted to welcome back night is a bit of a
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special night. Some of us members of the the
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podcast here, received our first fan mail, Unfortunately for us,
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it wasn't all Glitz. And Glam like most fan mail can
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be, it was a rather negative connotation to the people who
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give their free time to lift up the craft.
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We will not reveal who the fan mail came from or what it
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contained, even though we have the legal right to do.
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So you are all welcome to form your own opinions.
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As we've always said, it's carrier discretion, And while we
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like to discuss our craft and how each, and every one of you
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can help to make it a better together, some comments have
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been made and taken out of context, which in this day and
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age. We are now in, it is be
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expected. Unfortunately, for the people
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So tonight we are going to we don't have a set discussion like
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we have in the past with Rex, where we've got a lot of
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comments questions that we have come in through, email private
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message. I will have a audio message that
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we received and so, we're going to go ahead and we're going to
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discuss and well over those This evening with everybody, just a
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reminder that as we answer these questions this is not considered
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don't want you to this is not Steward.
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Advice this is not advice from a Union steward, nor is this,
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we're not speaking for the union or the Postal Service.
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Yeah. They have their own avenues for
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disseminating information to everybody and you should consult
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your designated union representative for guidance or
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not to summon dating information or I'm sorry.
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Did I said that out loud? I'm sorry, it's okay.
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But no tonight, we're pretty much going to be addressing
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Everything that we have got just about everything.
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If we haven't addressed it or talk to you personally and to
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try and steer you in the correct direction.
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So basically, we have a lot of things up that we're just going
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to clarify and have a good time with you tonight.
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If you're going to take the first one, James, So the
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question is on the route coverage percentage, if I
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understand correctly the more active deliveries you have that
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aren't actually getting mail will cause the percentage to be
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lower. When the answer be to deactivate
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more boxes to get the percentage higher, then the question
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becomes how much of a part is the percentage playing in the
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total evaluation So the percentage of coverage only
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affects a few categories on the 42 41, M, and the 4241 a, and
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that's the ones that you, when you're looking at your 4241, M,
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it has the coverage Factor listed next to it.
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Those are the only categories that are affected by the
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coverage Factor. Everything else is playing value
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per the 60p 06:03, Can boxes only need to be placed in the
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edit book? After 90 days, putting them in
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there earlier than that is a waste of time because somebody
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could actually move in on the 89th day.
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I've had that happen to me. Also your Every Door Direct
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mails box holders and WSS cover. Affects your coverage factors as
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well as the count you get for mail pieces through your route.
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So if you put a box vacant, you're not getting that cover
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that extra boost of numbers with those full-coverage markers.
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All right. Another one comes up and says
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you stated that filing grievances are end of shift
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duties. They are not.
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I also read the Q&A and the NRL website and have included, the
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language the filling out. So what this actually means is
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having a step 1 discussion is not an end of shift Duty,
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obviously not always management, may not necessarily be available
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in to shift it, for whatever reason, but the filling out in
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the filing of the Grievances should be under the end of
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shift. if duties under the actual time, Yeah, your
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discussion with management should be on 8127 time or 1314 a
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Time Green Card time when you're having the discussion with them.
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So the question is I was telling my p.m. about anything, more
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than eight letters is considered a parcel.
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He said, he never heard of that. Where can I find?
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Where can I get that in writing to show him?
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He also said that we are to used or miscellaneous.
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For hold male, not unscanned, parcel.
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Is this. Okay to, what if we have hold
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mail that barely fits in the Box?
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What do we use unscanned? Parcel for.
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So, when, when the unscanned parcel first came out, they
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first said that it was only for non legible, barcodes, or for
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mail that didn't or Parcels. That did not have a barcode.
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Then they later amended and then they said door, miscellaneous
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was basically the only scenario they could come up with was for
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cold male, that would not fit in the mailbox that you were going
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to deliver to the door that did not have a scannable item with
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it. But now they have said at the at
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the, with the mini mail survey they came out and said that if
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you're taking out hold mail that has more than eight pieces.
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Whether that's a whether it's for, for business closed, like
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you have a business that doesn't want their mail.
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Do that wants their mail held on Saturdays and then deliver it on
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Sunday or vacation holds that if you have eight pieces of mail,
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that becomes an unscanned Soil. And if you deliver that to the
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door as unscanned, parcel then that is, that is your that your
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credit for delivering to the door, and you no longer need to
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use door miscellaneous. I think where this code into
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play because this was released shortly before the men email
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survey was in the past actual, the old-time male counts, when
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you had a hole that went back during that mail count.
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It was counted as a partial credit, right?
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And then wasn't there. I seem to remember, too that.
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If it was, if you were holding it before, if it was on hold
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before the count started, you got to count it as a parcel when
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you took it out, but if it started and ended during the
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mail account, you didn't is, if I remember that correctly or my
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off there. Yes, okay.
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Yeah, if you have 8, so if you, if you have a business that's
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closed on Saturday. Hmm.
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And this this came out, this was in the mini mail survey
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training. If you, if you have a business
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is closed on Saturday or vacation hold and you accumulate
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eight pieces of mail and that can be letters or flats.
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And that's all you have, then then you delete when you deliver
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it. You can deliver it as a
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unscanned parcel. And if you take if you take take
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it and like some of the older, some of the older people who
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live on my route, who get a ton of tons of catalogs, a ton of
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what I call send us, money mail, you know, political parties,
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Charities, whatever, could get tons of mail.
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When they, when they hold their. When I hold their mail for a
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week and I just put it in, I put it in a tub and take it to their
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door and there's nothing else in there, then that's also that's a
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nun scam parcel. And when you deliver it to their
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door and that's where you Deliver it on scam.
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Parcel delivered it door, then you don't need to do the door
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miscellaneous. Can that is something?
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That is correct? Yes.
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So your designating, where you're delivering it?
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Yes, don't forget the packs of socks, the gloves the pens and
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things like that they send to Right?
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Unfit unbendable pieces. They send those things in.
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Yeah so following up with that we had another question asked I
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keep hearing about the eight pieces for unscanned partial
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credit. I believe it's eight pieces for
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a close business on Saturday as well.
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I'm guessing it's eight pieces are more of DPS for hold mail to
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handle the same way of the close business.
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As we just said, it's 8:00. Pieces.
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It doesn't matter if it's DPS flat or even a small Parcels
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that have no barcodes, eight pieces, held is a non scam,
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parcel. And it's not every eight pieces.
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I have seen this one come up. It's eight pieces or more.
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Not each eight pieces. All right gang, that gets rid of
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30 credits on my one person, every day aren't Kristen.
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I'm sorry, but now it's not every eight pieces.
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It's if so if you have somebody that goes on hold that doesn't
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get a lot of mail and so when you take it out and they only
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have six up to seven pieces of mail total, you're just
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delivering that mail if there is eight or more total Pieces.
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Then that would be a scan unscannable parcel. and that
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includes, if they have eight pieces of marriage, male, So if
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they have a marriage mail and a card that goes with it and you
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get that for four weeks because you can only hold mail for 30
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days if they get that for four weeks, that's eight pieces.
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That is an unscanned parcel. Now, it's not, if you get just
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the marriage mail without the card.
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But if you get married, Marilyn card, every week for that, and
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it's eight pieces total. It's another scam parcel, right,
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right. But if they don't get it, well,
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that's if they don't get anything else exactly what we're
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talking about. If they get nothing else, but
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the marriage male and a card that goes with the marriage
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male. Yeah, minimum the saying, yeah.
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All right, I know the next one. Who's got the breakdown of the
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between the years and the page tables.
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Bill. No, I don't have to break down
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on that. Keep that in my case, you know,
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you know, the you know where the the years where that they
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changed over to the tables and stuff like that, right.
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I actually just have been looking for that.
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I just have it pulled up. All right you take this one,
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don't you do it regular carriers that converted to regular prior
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to November 20th, 2010 will be on table one.
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RCA's that were hired between November 20th 2010, and August
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11th. 2012. Will be paid on that tire on was
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at table 3. But when they convert, if they
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were hired after that November of 2010, they will go to table,
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too. Now, there's also another caveat
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to that your hire date as an RCA. maybe back in that
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timeframe, but if you moved offices, You're hired eight
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changed because you have that record of being with the post
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office at whole time. But you're hired a starts over
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when you move to that new office.
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So, whatever table, your know, your hire date doesn't change
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your you're off already. Yeah.
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And that changes your table to now.
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It doesn't allow that. I was told it did.
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We can delete that. Okay.
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Delete that part, I will. Yep.
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So anyone that converted to regular prior to November 20th
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in 2010 is on table. 11. Any RCA's that were hired from
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prior to August 11th of 2012 were on table 3, which is the
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higher pay scale for RCA's. But because they were hired
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after that November 2010 date, they, when they convert to PTF
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and or regular, they'll be on table two.
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Which sucked for those that when they converted because now
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they're converting to a much lower pay scale.
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And if you were hired as an RCA prior to that date and a 10
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because my memory is shot at the moment short-term and you go
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regular you will be table one. Yes, your actual hire date.
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So for example, I was hired in 2006 but I didn't go regular
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until 2015. So I was, I went to table one.
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As long as your actual hire date was prior to November of 2010
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you will be on table one. Regardless of the weather takes
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you took you 15 10 Even 20 years to go regular.
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And if you were hired after he 2012 day, well your table for
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and when you go regular, you're our table Right weight and
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feeling. And the main reason for that,
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Was there were so many RCA's at the time to go and retro them
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and change their pay. I can't legally call the RCA's
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hired in two years. They wouldn't it was unfeasible
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to do. Well, I know there was a I know
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a couple people that actually were hired like just after that
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cutoff date, and they did actually reduce their pay and
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put them on table four. All right.
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Moving on. And that's a hell of a Payday
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drop. Yeah.
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And I hate to heat the defend the postal service on this but
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this was a matter of business. Survivability it really was if
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we continued on with table one we pretty much would have lost
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the the no layoff clause. Because they wouldn't be able to
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afford that the kick pay everybody at The Accelerated
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rate of table one. Well, this is one of the fine
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things that that arbitrator gave us along with RX.
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Well, who is the two tables, but I think that was one of the
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things that they post office was trying to push and we were
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saying, no, yeah they did that. They got that idea from the auto
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manufacturers who went to to table systems themselves.
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Well actual that may be where it originally came from but
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actually the apwu actually voted it in right and agree to it and
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then both us and And the city carriers got handed it to us in
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arbitration. I hear yes.
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All right, let's move on to the next one.
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Is there a report the verify scred it is being received for
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the unscannable parcel scans? In the RMS, s report management
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has access to that and they can pull up all your scans and
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that's where that's going to be. Now, let me add a little sidebar
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on there because it says, verifies credit today, my office
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has not been able to verify anything, so that's a critical
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word in there in regards to verifying it.
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Yes. Does Peter Pan fly?
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I don't know. I've never seen them supposed
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her fine. Can I verify the the unscanned
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parcel I've never seen them. You can see how many the
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computer registers and the RMS s report that way.
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And you can you can have your management print that out for
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you. And then when it finally comes
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time, you can look at your 42 41 m.
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Add up all your unscanned Parcels / 301, and that will
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give you the daily number of unscanned parcels you have, and
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that should be the number. That's on your 4241, em under
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the unscanned, parcel, but that's assuming management can.
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Hold it up for you supposedly. Okay.
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How do you factor p.m. casing? If you do a parcel on before,
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you run the route, some of us do that in my office.
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I never knew you were to use p.m. casing for suffix.
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S trip packages, what would be best to make the second trip
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after and do we clock out before doing this?
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Firstly, never clock out until you are heading to your personal
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vehicle to go home? You don't, you aren't off the
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clock until you're done doing work.
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Always be on the clock. Even if you're under p.m.
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casing, you are on the clock still under the system. p.m.
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crate casing is only to be used either for second trips, when
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manage when you don't have enough room for all the parcels
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in your vehicle, whether it be your POV or an LL V FF VII, or
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even the new generation delivery vehicles if we ever get them,
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Second trips are to be done after end of shift duties.
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You get deliver, all the mail you come back, put everything
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away, get everything done for your into shift stuff, then
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click p.m. casing. Start load vehicle.
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Load your packages. Take them to your vehicle unload
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your conveyance. Bring the conveyance back part
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or belongs and load vehicle. Go deliver the packages.
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You don't hit anything else. Then when you get back to your
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duties of putting everything away, that you had your keys and
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things like that, then you clock out.
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The unions have the union has stated that we should not be
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running second trips in the morning because we're was the
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first trip before you made a second trip, right?
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I was a James. The only thing I would add is to
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what you just said is, if you are doing a second trip, notate
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what the miles are and no take them on your 4240 or green card.
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So they can pay you the mileage at the if they maintain two
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minutes of Mile, I don't know what they're going to do with
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the new, with the rec system on that.
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I haven't heard anything change other than, you know, than two
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minutes a mile. All right, all right.
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Currently in the contract is still two minutes per mile for
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second trips and plus EMA and you're doing a if you're in a
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POV plus your EMA. And if you're a POV But also,
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it's only rural regular rural carriers.
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That will be paid. The second trip rate RCA's.
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Anybody that's RCA's rpts that are doing.
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It will get paid Green Card time.
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Straight Green Card. Time to run a second trip.
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Verify that. Yes.
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Every language I've seen bill says RCA's, our second trip is
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paid the same. Yeah I was I was told it's green
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card time for RCA's know if the RCA is running the route and has
30:21
to do the second trip then. And it was my experience as an
30:27
RCA was still two minutes per mile plus.
30:31
So you may have the reason we say the same thing you were
30:39
going to say, Obviously the acceptor the group where comes
30:41
into green card is if you're running Route, 34 today and you
30:46
come back and they say, we need you to take these Parcels for
30:49
Route, 5 & 6. And that's when it was switched
30:53
Green Card. Yeah.
30:55
Because now you're no longer on that route.
30:58
Yeah. Yeah.
30:59
And it's also the 48-hour rule Well that's regardless you go on
31:05
Pat's. Yeah, if you go over 40 hours
31:08
then it's going to be straight time, no matter what.
31:09
Anyway, so it needs to be notated on your green card.
31:12
And if it's page 22 minutes per mile because you're under the 40
31:17
hours, that's what you'll get and that's why you notate the
31:19
time and the mileage on your green card.
31:26
Okay, I was so, do you want me to take the second reason why
31:29
you would use a pmk? Sing or do you want to do that?
31:34
Go ahead before you before you go to that?
31:38
Yes. What do we do?
31:40
Because like during the Christmas over time period they
31:43
were saying that we had to do. You had to come in and run like
31:50
15% of your Parcels before you started casing, your mail during
31:55
the overtime period. How was that to be handled?
31:58
How would that be here? That is in the F21 is so people
32:03
can go look it up. Up I am referencing the F21 the
32:06
time record-keeping manual and it does specify that.
32:11
Anything outside of the normal route would be route duties
32:18
would be straight time. I actually had to go to my
32:22
postmaster about this and even during Christmas time because we
32:26
know how management is in the union.
32:28
Did put a statement out on their second trips are after you.
32:34
Run the route and then tapped is and it's morning.
32:38
Parcel runs are needed to be done.
32:39
That should be done by RCA's on Green Card type, but if they're
32:43
going to force regulars, they should be paying them straight
32:46
time. So you said, seven times 8127
32:51
time, okay. Good.
32:53
Okay. The second reason you would use
32:58
the PM casing. Again, the same as James said,
33:01
when you get back, you hit return to duty.
33:05
And then you put everything away.
33:07
You do all your clean up. and if you have residual mail, that was
33:12
the first to your case, While you're on the street or you were
33:17
aware that you were told that you were allowed to curtail
33:20
something as long as local management gives you permission
33:25
to case it in the afternoon. For the next day, you would
33:28
switch to p.m. casing while you're casing that mail.
33:34
And only that mail you don't don't do it for mail.
33:37
You brought back from the route. All right, right?
33:41
Because you should have taken care of that during your end of
33:44
shift duties. Yes.
33:45
And that also includes for those that get dumped on in the winter
33:49
time and you can't get to a good portion of your boxes and you
33:55
got to bring it back. That is not p.m. casing that is
33:59
end of shift. Is that his mail for that day?
34:04
If it's male, that's came in for the next day, then that would be
34:07
p.m. casing. But anything that you already
34:09
handled that day, is end of shift duties.
34:15
All right, and you'll have to have management argue about that
34:19
with you, but it is an initiative Duty, it's in your
34:23
rural carrier duties, and responsibilities p, 06:03 is an
34:27
end of shift Duty and you can actually show it to them in
34:30
black and white in the PO 603 and there should be one every
34:33
case. Yes, there should be one every
34:36
every case and one that management actually has a copy
34:39
of as well. and I do believe, it's something that's handed out
34:45
at every Academy to everybody to our I know we're all slightly
34:53
past that, but while we were on that subject of with the green
34:57
card and 40 hours above and under, I know we have another
35:03
one. Question in regards to that.
35:07
Did you want to handle that real quick question?
35:09
Yes I will. We had a audio comment come in
35:14
on Spotify of an RCA who has been running his primary route
35:20
for two full weeks. The the first and the second
35:23
week of the pay period, the and worked all six days.
35:28
The first week, they got paid the entire evaluation for all
35:32
six days and And the second week they were paid for 40 hours and
35:40
an hour. One point six hours of overtime.
35:42
I think it was, I'm sorry if I missed quoted that, that
35:47
actually is correct. You have as an RCA.
35:51
You have to be at 40 hours or under for the entire week
35:57
whether that's five or six days. You work in order to get the
36:01
full evaluation pay. You go a minute over. 40 hours.
36:08
You are you get paid 40 hours in a minute of OT or anything that
36:13
you want above 40 hours? Unfortunately, that is how it
36:16
is. Yes, we lose money when that
36:19
happens. And we just kind of kick
36:22
ourselves and but I've gotten to the point anymore.
36:27
I I'm not going to try and rush to make that evaluation.
36:32
I'm just going to do my job the best to my ability.
36:35
If I go over 40, whether it's an hour or two hours, it is what it
36:39
is. And if I'm under 40 for the week
36:42
and I get the full evaluation of everything, great.
36:45
But yeah, unfortunately, that's how it is.
36:48
And that is actually a fair labor standards act because we
36:53
are considered part-time employees.
36:55
Yes. And so yeah, anything 40 hours
36:59
and above anything above 40 hours is over time and 40 hours
37:04
or less is full evaluation pay. Kind of an incentive for you to
37:12
get it done quicker but don't rush yourself be accurate and be
37:19
safe. Yeah, exactly yes.
37:22
My sub like the work off the clock.
37:25
How does this hurt the route C? We don't know what goes all goes
37:29
into it but in several offices we noticed routes and come in
37:32
early. Get done early get lower
37:34
evaluations in somewhat similar routes.
37:36
Take as you wish with carried discretion First of all, working
37:41
off, the clock is illegal, and agreement should be filed
37:45
against management because you are to entitled to be paid for
37:49
the work that you do. Second of all, if you are
37:52
working off the clock and you are injured, the USPS has no
37:58
guarantee whatsoever to place you on owcp because you were not
38:05
not allowed to work off the clock.
38:08
Therefore, you're not covered by.
38:10
Workman's comp, third of all, you're hurting the evaluation of
38:14
the route, get paid for what you're getting you're doing.
38:16
Okay the top it all off, it doesn't make any sense because
38:22
with the wrecks program we should be getting full pay for
38:27
everything that we're doing. Much more than we had in the old
38:31
system so don't do anything for free, don't get hurt and not get
38:36
covered. And don't give management the
38:39
opportunity to take Take advantage of you because you've
38:41
done it in the past and that's what they will.
38:44
They will hold that over your head and say, well, you know can
38:47
you do me a favor here, can you do me a favor know if you're
38:51
going to do anything, work-related it has to be on the
38:54
clock. And if management allowing you
38:57
to come in early to start, then you then they that, if if
39:03
they're giving you permission to come in and start early, then
39:08
you're clocking in early. And then that's going to be on
39:11
management to have to explain to above them.
39:14
White people are clocking in early And the other side of this
39:20
is, I did see an argument about this.
39:23
Well, if you get hurt on in the office, by something that
39:27
happens with the office, you're covered by their insurance.
39:30
Yeah, you probably are in some instances in some instances, but
39:37
that insurance has limits on it that insurance will fight tooth
39:42
and nail not to pay you for that injury.
39:46
They will do anything and everything they can.
39:48
An including hiring private investigators to follow you
39:52
around and take pictures of you to try and get out of having to
39:56
pay you for it. They can wrap you up and legal
39:59
situations for years. Why do you think there are so
40:03
many advertisements for personal injury?
40:06
Lawyers on TV all the time it's because it's a big money-making
40:09
business for lawyers and for insurance companies.
40:14
Don't take a chance with your life and your career because you
40:20
could have a career ending injury off the clock, and not be
40:25
covered by owcp. Alright, so several days a week,
40:33
I have to drive one and a half miles into the post office to
40:36
drop a mailbag. 4430 dispatch, how do I account for that?
40:42
If you are well there's a few scenarios of this first, you
40:46
would talk to your postmaster about the earlier, start to
40:49
ensure that you're making the truck number one.
40:53
If your evaluation times are not within making truck dispatch,
40:59
then you need to talk to your boss.
41:00
Mr. About that. If it's not possible, you should
41:04
be getting miscellaneous time. Supposedly, during the many mail
41:09
survey that would be something that would be timed, especially
41:11
if it is something that is reoccurring, and then you should
41:18
also be getting paid the mileage, the additional mileage
41:21
to and from the route. Now I'm going to say if this is
41:24
something that happens more times than not.
41:28
I would have I would talk the postmaster about having that put
41:32
in to the route where you're returning to the office to drop
41:37
it and then returning back to the route, I would see if that
41:42
could be built into the route into the 4003.
41:46
Well it's not late now the LT and they don't do the 4003
41:49
anymore but you know what? I'm here.
41:51
So they say supposedly. Yeah.
41:56
But you know, my first step would be seeing about the
41:59
adjustment of times if possible for your valuation to be making
42:02
that truck. Otherwise I would be seeing, if
42:07
you could be paid straight time or having that be a timed event
42:13
during the next mini mail survey Let's getting the mileage to and
42:17
from, if you're in a, POV are the other option would be having
42:22
it built into your route. Now again, that's all it's
42:29
something that you would have to discuss with management or reach
42:32
out to your adrd, are on that specifically, Definitely talk to
42:38
your local union representative for it for sure.
42:42
I would like clarification on Rural reach credit your podcast
42:46
explained it but I believe it's misleading to carriers.
42:49
I enquired that it is only for new Revenue, it should result in
42:53
a lead. Rural reach was an automatic
42:59
credit, under the old count system.
43:01
The same as stamps oxtails, Rural reach is designed, as a
43:07
way to increase postal Revenue. We Believe, personally, anything
43:13
you do to increase revenue for the post office should be rural
43:18
reach, however, its carrier discretion.
43:23
Since we weren't officially trained in, Rex by management,
43:26
the rural reach was a program to design to try and get more
43:32
business. Customers involved, whether it's
43:34
through, eddm sending Parcels through the post office
43:40
themselves. Elves.
43:41
Things like that. I'll give you an example from my
43:43
route. I had a customer who was
43:46
shipping through us. But also shipping through other
43:50
people and I noticed a bunch of packages in the back of her car
43:54
when I was delivering her mail because her her mailbox is right
43:58
at her driveway. And so I got out and I spoke
44:01
with her about it and actually talk with her about shipping, it
44:05
with me, picking it up at her house instead of her having to
44:08
go to all these different locations to drop these packages
44:12
off. And now I pick up all her
44:15
packages, that was a real reach for me.
44:20
So do with that information, what you believe talk with your
44:23
local union representative, get their opinion.
44:27
Ask management if they have any clue.
44:29
I've also seen Floating around out there in the social media
44:34
webs of a picture of a form that has the press in the rural reach
44:42
credit and then going back to the main screen and there's a
44:46
selection for lead where you fill in the information.
44:50
Hence, an electronic lead cart. And it's directing them that if
44:57
you put in the rural reach, you have to put in that one to get
45:01
the credit. I personally had never seen that
45:05
before until recently on social media.
45:09
That was when the leader thing. First came out on the scanners,
45:15
I know in my office are postmaster, told the city
45:19
carriers about it but nothing has ever been mentioned to the
45:22
rural side about it. yeah, our Postmaster told us about that
45:27
and actually our district is putting on a drive to get
45:31
carriers to put leads in, there are scanners and things like
45:34
that and then if you reach so many carriers that have done one
45:40
in the office, they'll do something for you maybe
45:45
supposedly the way but I've actually they're the lead card
45:53
in the scanner. You have to have the company
45:56
name, a name of a contact address.
45:59
A phone number, possibly an email to be able to put in that
46:04
lead card. And then actually they will,
46:07
they will investigate that lead and the reply to you on that
46:10
scanner. They will actually send you a
46:12
reply, whether they did anything with that leader, not because
46:16
I've done them so until I was it's probably you.
46:22
Yes, you know, the pops up with that screen with all the
46:25
information that required for the lead to actually be credited
46:29
to your route. Yeah, it's kind of say yeah, I
46:32
was going to say because I had somebody who is advertising on
46:35
my CB use and I took one of them and I was at all, it had was
46:40
like his first name and a phone number and, you know, it
46:44
wouldn't process it because I didn't have an address or
46:47
anything, anything else that I could identify the guy with.
46:50
So, I couldn't, I couldn't enter the folded card.
46:57
But again, this is where it comes down to the inconsistent
47:00
training on the management side. Like I said, I've seen this and
47:04
more than one. I personally have never seen
47:07
this in my office. So again, inconsistent training
47:11
on the management side, that's where we say, you know, this is
47:16
something that's definitely a carrier discretion and
47:19
definitely talk to your management and reach out to your
47:24
assigned union rep on the All right, y'all stated that
47:28
stopping at every box is falsifying breadcrumbs, but
47:31
we've been instructed by management to stop at every
47:34
address. So what is the protocol with
47:36
that? any time you get a new directive
47:39
from management, S4 it in writing, You're going to want
47:43
that piece of paper, just in case to cover your behind.
47:48
If management structure to do something and it's a direct
47:50
order, you have to follow it, unless it's dangerous unsafe or
47:54
illegal or immoral. So if Management's telling you
47:57
to stop at every mailbox, whether you have mail for them
48:01
or not, whether their flag is up or not, ask for that.
48:04
Directive in writing for management.
48:07
And do as you're instructed. And then notify your assigned
48:13
union rep. Because management may not be
48:19
the one out there seeing you stopping at every box.
48:24
District management postal inspectors a manager.
48:28
From another office could come out and inspect your route and
48:32
see you doing that. And basically write you up for
48:35
that. That's why you get it in
48:37
writing. The question is we have a local
48:40
news station that wants to do a story about this Rex debacle?
48:44
Are we allowed to speak to them? I'm pressing this this is not
48:50
legal advice the USPS and the union would tell, you know, do
48:56
not speak to them, direct them to the proper media channels at
49:01
both organizations. However, the National Labor
49:06
Relations Board, says, otherwise and we advise anyone that wishes
49:13
to speak out to familiarize themselves.
49:16
Holy with the Rules of the National Labor Relations Board.
49:20
And what you are legally able to do, we would also caution you to
49:24
speak with a local labor, attorney to get advice on this,
49:29
as well as your local union representative.
49:34
Can you explain start load and unload duties and more detail?
49:42
We are getting confusing answers on what constitutes part of
49:47
loading duties. Okay, anytime you go to load
49:52
anything into your room, delivery vehicle, you would
49:56
start the load when you start it and then when you're pregnant,
50:00
you end load. If some people, I know when they
50:05
come in the morning, like, to grab their parcels and put them
50:09
in the vehicles to get them out of the way, if that's what you
50:12
do. When you start, you start your
50:14
load, bring them out to your vehicle.
50:17
Put them in. When you come back in you, end,
50:20
and load once your pulled, you know, like myself.
50:24
Once your pulled down and all of your mail is in a conveyance.
50:29
With the parcels. You start load looking vehicle
50:34
and then when you bring the commands back in you and load,
50:37
the only difference is if the clerk's bring the larger
50:44
packages to your case and put them on the floor at your route,
50:48
at your case, you can include lifting them up off the floor
50:55
and putting them all into a conveyance as part of your load
50:59
time. If you use more than one
51:02
conveyance, As long as both conveyances are loaded and ready
51:09
to go. You start to load bring the
51:12
first one out, loaded vehicle with it.
51:15
Come back in for add the second one, go out, look that up.
51:20
Come back in then and your load if you will only have one
51:26
conveyance container. Once you come back in the first
51:30
time you end load, we fill the conveyance.
51:36
Then start loading again. Is there anything else that I
51:41
might have missed or that? We just saying that.
51:45
You've got to make sure that the load time does not include going
51:51
to get your conveyance. Whether it's a, you know,
51:55
nothing truck, a A, or green wire cage, whatever, whatever
52:01
you want to call it, I use the word hamper to mean anything
52:04
other than like a nutting truck. We have to call it.
52:07
A pumpkin, a gurney, a trolley, a buggy whatever.
52:10
Just call it a hamper but it doesn't include going to get
52:14
that. It's and it doesn't include your
52:17
pull down time. It's just like Josh said, when
52:20
you have your conveyance loaded and you go to push out that's
52:25
when you hit start load-in. The only exception to that is if
52:30
clerks sort the parcels to the floor at your case and then when
52:35
your you can start load, when you're picking them up off the
52:38
floor and putting them into the convenient.
52:40
Yeah. Yeah, that lets you in her each
52:43
meal, if you get marriage mail and they put it on the floor and
52:47
you take it to the street. That's also included.
52:49
That's start load. Yes, yes.
52:53
The key here in clerk courted. Clerk sorted on the floor.
53:00
If you put it on the floor at the account, yes.
53:06
If you if you pick it up and move it around after the
53:09
clerk's, put it on the floor, then it doesn't count anymore
53:13
because you've already handled it.
53:16
That's the big discrepancy. A lot of people have with that.
53:19
Oh, I just moved out of the way to see what the parcels were
53:22
underneath it. Unfortunately, that takes, that
53:26
package out of the mix. It's weird convoluted, but it's
53:30
carrier discretion. Let's see.
53:33
If you have the years in, you're eligible, you can choose the
53:35
high option and Route you successfully bid on.
53:38
Or do you have to wait until another mail survey?
53:42
Unfortunately, this has been taken all the way to stuff for
53:45
grievance twice and 78. They said it can only be done
53:48
upon submission of the new 40 to 41 in 88.
53:53
It was after a Eight count survey was conducted.
53:56
So now you cannot take the high optional successful bid until
54:00
the next mail. Survey occurs you can switch
54:02
back to the low option. Any time?
54:05
This is why I say this is correct.
54:09
You can go from high to low but you cannot go low to high.
54:15
I will say the only possible exception to this is if the
54:24
carrier that was that vacated the route that when it went up
54:28
for bid had the high option. If they post it as the high
54:33
option If you are, have make all the eligibility have the years
54:39
in, you could possibly keep that high option.
54:47
But as Bill said, if you have the time in Josh, you can
54:52
fortify option. Yes.
54:55
And the only only if it's posted with the high option, right?
54:59
And right. And the only other thing I can
55:02
think of, but given the way that they have the mini mail surveys
55:05
laid out to where the second one of the year.
55:08
At the end of September will take an effect at the beginning
55:11
of the new guarantee period. I know in the past the beginning
55:14
of the new guarantee period was also when you got to The higher
55:17
low option if you qualified. So that kind of Falls
55:22
hand-in-hand with the mini mail survey at this point.
55:25
No, but yeah, the beginning of the new guarantee period was the
55:28
other one. And then again, it's again if
55:34
qualified. Yes.
55:38
Which means 10 years. In the end of the original
55:43
carrier, for the regular carrier.
55:46
Yeah. It's it's PTF time.
55:50
Count in that. Yes.
55:53
Yes because your career employee or employees.
55:56
So it's 10 years of the career employee not just as a regular
55:58
carrier correct. It takes 10 years from your
56:03
retirement eligibility date or compensation date.
56:08
Yes. So if you've got military time
56:10
that you bought back that would add in there as well.
56:15
All right, I have a question about railroad track crossing
56:20
sections. I don't have any but should
56:22
could I get credit for funeral processions since I pull over
56:26
stop for them. I work by delivered to a
56:28
veterans cemetery. I don't get stopped every day
56:31
usually two to three times a week but neither do people who
56:35
have trained tricks or crosswalks depending on when
56:38
they get there. Some of these are very long
56:40
especially if it's for a for a cop says should I start keeping
56:45
Tracks of the time and get some kind of mystical Aeneas average
56:49
time credit for them. Thanks in advance.
56:54
This has been debated multiple times in multiple locations, but
56:57
if you can get management to agree to give miscellaneous time
57:00
based off a stopwatch edit, together in seconds and I had
57:04
all the time up for every single day.
57:06
You stop then divide it by 3 0 1.
57:08
That should be your miscellaneous time.
57:10
However, this is carrier and management discussion.
57:14
Again, I would also refer to your assigned union rep on this
57:20
as well. I'm just going to add to this
57:24
during the mini mail survey meetings in my district.
57:31
One of the things that we were told was any miscellaneous time
57:36
local management had to get District approval for So they
57:43
couldn't just enter it. They had to submit it to one of,
57:47
I think three people in my district and want to end those
57:50
three people were reply, yes, or no.
57:53
If they could put that in 8127 time and I'll put, I'll put this
57:59
to you. We had that in one of our
58:01
offices, in the district, here, in my district and their route,
58:07
they have a train yard and their route goes across that Back
58:13
about the same time that they're always switching cars in that
58:16
train yard and blocking the crossing and it's not just 0dr
58:20
down a block and go to the next Crossing.
58:23
If you got to drive five miles around to get around this this
58:27
train. So they actually got approval
58:30
from District management to do it, the timing and then divide
58:36
it by 3 0 1, because that's how many days out of the year, we
58:39
work is 301 and that's how they got the The miscellaneous time
58:43
for it. But it was approved by District
58:45
because they're sitting at those tracks for 20-30 minutes at a
58:48
time. This one's kind of interesting
58:52
when the customer has their mail on hold or they get a package to
58:55
you scan it at the office or take it out with you and scan
58:58
that the Box just curious how everyone does things seems to be
59:02
so many different ways of doing things.
59:05
In our opinion, if is on hold save it and during start mode,
59:09
scan has a hole and place it in the proper place.
59:12
Then when it's time to go out under Start load Vehicles, scan
59:16
it Alfred delivery and take it to the truck that way, you get
59:20
the credit for the scan and the credit for it.
59:23
The time it takes for you to do it.
59:25
However management. They have may have different
59:27
instructions and so you met, your designated union
59:30
representative We've had this question, I brought up in our
59:35
office in regards to scanning in the office.
59:40
We scan at the office that it's on hold.
59:43
We don't we don't take the package out a you know just in
59:48
case you miss delivering be because you might lose it and
59:51
see because you might not remember the skin at the Box,
59:55
just do it where it's expedient in regards to doing it at your
1:00:01
case. So when we take it back out, we
1:00:05
don't do anything during the start load.
1:00:07
As far as putting it out for delivery.
1:00:09
It's the first I've heard of that.
1:00:10
So if anybody has a different opinion.
1:00:13
Yeah. With Express that we take it.
1:00:15
Yeah, we take it to the customer's house.
1:00:18
We delivered to the door to box wherever and we scan, as being
1:00:21
delivered and management has different.
1:00:25
Instructions, management has no clue.
1:00:28
Because of the fact that most of our people who have been
1:00:31
trained, Under the Rex programs, still have no clue.
1:00:35
You may want to check with your designated union representative
1:00:38
on that. I don't give them any
1:00:41
opportunity that say that I'm falsifying or adding scans on
1:00:44
there. So, that's the way I do it.
1:00:45
I take it, I deliver it and I scan it at place in the proper
1:00:50
place. Whether set the door to mailbox
1:00:52
at the garage, but I have a Target on my back because of who
1:00:59
I am and I don't give them any opportunity.
1:01:01
Opportunity to give me. So you do, as we say carry your
1:01:07
discretion, I do the same thing as you.
1:01:10
I scan it as customer. Hold the day.
1:01:13
I get it. And then I mark it and load it
1:01:16
with the rest of my Parcels the day of the whole resumes.
1:01:20
But I have heard Different management people saying that
1:01:26
they want you to scan it out for delivery route, for redelivery
1:01:31
that morning. So the customer knows is
1:01:33
actually coming out. But like you say, I follow what
1:01:37
your local management and union rep, tell you advise you to do
1:01:42
for your area. Yeah, I am in my office.
1:01:47
We some people do skin it out for delivery.
1:01:52
And in my opinion, we I do that because if the customer comes in
1:01:58
and just looking for their mail or something or package and
1:02:01
they're like, well, it shows that it's on hold here.
1:02:04
And then, the management looks up the number in the computer
1:02:07
and tracks, it says, out for delivery.
1:02:10
So that way management can see that.
1:02:12
Hey, the package is out for delivery and but again, carrier
1:02:18
discretion consult your local management and union
1:02:22
representative for your own guidance on this.
1:02:26
And if your regular your customers know that you'll
1:02:30
deliver all the mail, and their packages, unless it's something
1:02:34
that they're, they're need that day.
1:02:36
They're really not going to, you know, come into the office to
1:02:39
look for a package while they were out on vacation.
1:02:43
That's that's the that's the advantage of having your own
1:02:47
route and knowing your customer base.
1:02:50
So you know like I said that I do it the way I do it because
1:02:54
that's what I feel most comfortable about and I know my
1:02:57
customer base. So if you want to do it with the
1:03:00
out for delivery, go ahead knock yourself out.
1:03:05
I'm just wondering if I'm just wondering, though, if we, as we
1:03:12
is, if we as carrier scan it as out for delivery route for
1:03:18
redelivery, does that actually update the tracking that they
1:03:22
that they see if they if they go to look up the, the the tracking
1:03:27
number on the on the post office website.
1:03:32
These scanners are allegedly, supposedly uploading.
1:03:38
Every 5 to 20 minutes, they upload data supposably it.
1:03:43
So it's quicker than that. It's quite.
1:03:46
So every minute, every time you guys can and then every five
1:03:50
minutes If it's not, if it doesn't move for five minutes,
1:03:55
then it sends up another signal. I've got a doozy one here, guys.
1:04:01
Let me, let me, let me preface this.
1:04:03
I have one more on that and the reason why you scan it in the
1:04:06
morning in the office, if your customer has your hold on pick
1:04:10
up and they come in at data, pick it up.
1:04:12
Guess what? That package is there waiting
1:04:14
for them with their whole? Absolutely.
1:04:17
So don't forget that part two. Yeah, well the yeah because I
1:04:22
was told when I at my office, when I first got there, they
1:04:25
told me that I had to scan my hold, my hold Parcels as
1:04:31
delivered. Even if I was holding it in the
1:04:35
office and I said, well, you know, if you've got a customer
1:04:37
that's that's holding their mail and they something comes in and
1:04:44
they say it's delivered. I'm going to get a complaint
1:04:47
saying, why are they delivering my Parcels?
1:04:49
When I'm not there to when I'm not there.
1:04:51
Why the hell are they delivering them?
1:04:54
I'm just I'm just saying that because I just continue to do it
1:04:59
the way I was trained. Say no, it's on hold.
1:05:00
I'm scanning it Islam. Hold and Of course it's the
1:05:04
broad brush. Well, some carriers are
1:05:08
forgetting to scan them delivered when they deliver
1:05:11
them, it's like, well, okay then why aren't you deliver?
1:05:13
Why aren't you addressing that with the carrier's involved?
1:05:16
Instead of making, some no made of become yourself, brought some
1:05:21
made of excuse some dumb planket policy address, it will enable
1:05:25
who aren't doing it, right? The caveat to that.
1:05:28
Also, Mike on what you're saying or on because at one point, my
1:05:33
logo management was telling us scan, it delivered.
1:05:39
Also and when they were pushing that, I would follow it with a
1:05:44
hold scan after I did the delivery scan but If you scan it
1:05:51
delivered. A lot of these companies have a
1:05:55
30 day return policy from the data delivered.
1:06:00
So that's the day. One of a five-day of a week-long
1:06:04
cold. They've just lost a week for
1:06:09
them to decide that they want to return it.
1:06:11
Yep. They one of a 30-day hold yeah.
1:06:16
Yeah yeah. We or had a thing in our office
1:06:20
where they started by my former postmaster of scanning them
1:06:25
delivered to agent. When they were cold.
1:06:30
Well, number one, that does not stop the clock with Amazon.
1:06:35
And that was because had something to do with the
1:06:38
clerk's. I don't know exactly what it was
1:06:41
but it's still one of those things.
1:06:44
I am trying to rework back out to scanning as customer, hold
1:06:49
properly. But yeah.
1:06:55
It's probably because the clerks were scanning them delivered.
1:06:58
Exactly. Which brings me to a question
1:07:03
about scanning as anybody been advised or directed to scan the
1:07:09
certified letters that are in your DPS.
1:07:14
As being received in office. No, no, no.
1:07:19
In fact, are we have right on are accountable?
1:07:22
Cart, there's a printout of this says, do not scan arrived at
1:07:26
unit for certified. It's even for the clerk's for
1:07:30
the ones that created the wrong mail.
1:07:32
Yeah, yeah. They're just going to the route
1:07:37
now. Yep.
1:07:38
Then why are they paying for the service?
1:07:41
They're now treated as dissipator.
1:07:43
First class mail with a signature confirmation
1:07:46
basically. Yeah.
1:07:48
Oh wow. It's just like the international
1:07:52
registers that were used to be on the accountable carton.
1:07:55
Now they're being thrown in your parcel cart.
1:07:59
Yeah they're counted as a certified don't have any way.
1:08:05
All right, so I have this email that I didn't, I don't remember
1:08:07
if I shared with you guys or not, but I'm going to read this
1:08:11
and I'm going to let you guys answer this for me more than
1:08:16
what I go boy with whom do I grieve when I'm denied a
1:08:21
volunteer assignment by labor. Me and a couple other co-workers
1:08:26
had the opportunity to go help in another state.
1:08:29
It all came to a halt when I was told District labor manager had
1:08:33
denied it. I asked the gentlemen in that
1:08:37
state. If he often sees request tonight
1:08:40
and he said only from City carriers.
1:08:42
And that there is nothing in writing that says a role,
1:08:45
carrier cannot take an assignment.
1:08:48
Not long. After I received an email from
1:08:50
the union rep, I think they were the ADR asking for info about
1:08:56
it. So they could send it to the
1:08:58
board. I sent them a copy of the flyer
1:09:01
weeks passed, and I heard nothing.
1:09:03
They happened to be in the office one day and I asked them
1:09:07
about it. They didn't offer an explanation
1:09:10
except saying that it was only for RCA's, which I took is not
1:09:15
legitimate seeing as I had been in contact with the Requesting
1:09:18
volunteers and he knew our positions were regular rural
1:09:22
carriers. The other thing that really
1:09:25
rubbed me the wrong way was that they tried to discourage me by
1:09:28
saying that it wasn't worth it and the per diem I'd make
1:09:31
wouldn't cover housing costs again contradicting.
1:09:34
The flyer I was ready to explore all possible means of resolving
1:09:39
this and even wrote my congressman, they reply to try
1:09:42
and have it taken care of locally.
1:09:44
First, it kind of moot at this point because I'm going, Going
1:09:48
into management. But I know my co-workers still
1:09:50
would like to go and I'm still wanting a solid black and white
1:09:53
answer as to why we couldn't. Thank you. as far as I know
1:10:03
assignment details are just for RCA since there's no way to pay
1:10:06
a regular outside of their office on the rural side and my
1:10:11
correct, Is it there's no way to pay them outside of the current
1:10:19
mou for anything other than the route?
1:10:21
At least there's no contractual way to pay them.
1:10:24
Yeah. Fall for their route except for
1:10:27
during the mo use allowing them to with system routes.
1:10:32
But again, that's all within your office, this is an
1:10:34
assignment. Yeah, totally different state.
1:10:36
Yeah, right. Yeah, that's that's why, because
1:10:42
I did one of those as an CA and the only ones, the only the only
1:10:50
carriers that were allowed to do it where cca's and RCA's.
1:10:53
And I think in, I believe it was for that reason that there's no
1:10:57
way there's there's this no way to legally pay the regular
1:11:02
carrier for working outside of their outside of their aside
1:11:07
route, and then, I think you run into things like, if if you're
1:11:13
on say say your routes of 40 45k and they put you and they don't
1:11:20
have a 45k route available for you.
1:11:23
Then what happens you know you're going to run into getting
1:11:26
paid less. I just think there's I just
1:11:31
don't think there's I think there's it's just too convoluted
1:11:35
to try and pay regular to work outside their office.
1:11:39
I agree. Okay.
1:11:41
So also just some clarification when we were talking about
1:11:46
manually entering the barcodes typing a man.
1:11:50
We weren't talking about using option, five manual entry, where
1:11:53
it allows you to change the date.
1:11:55
In the time we were talking about actually manually keying
1:11:59
in the barcode, not under the manual entry, that I know, has
1:12:03
popped up a few times. When we say manually, enter it,
1:12:06
we're not talking about doing it under Oscars.
1:12:09
We're talking about under the regular scanning The regular
1:12:13
skin option. A you have to type in the
1:12:16
number, the numbers because because they won't scan, right?
1:12:22
Yeah poor. And whenever we were when we
1:12:25
were discussing the eight digits at the beginning of the scan
1:12:30
when you actually use the barcode and scan it with the
1:12:35
scanner, you're not manually inputting, you scan it with the
1:12:37
scanner whether it's a first class or priority.
1:12:42
Image or an Amazon package when you scan it with the scanner,
1:12:47
you will look at the numbers that pop up on the screen, you
1:12:50
will see a three digit number prior to the ZIP code, that that
1:12:54
package gets delivered to. And then you will see the
1:12:57
numbers that are listed below the barcode.
1:13:00
Those first eight numbers on that scan are the ones we were
1:13:03
talking about, not the first eight numbers, you see, on the
1:13:06
parcel, their numbers, you won't see unless you hit it with the
1:13:10
barcode scanner. And if you have to key, if you
1:13:17
have to type it in, you're just typing in.
1:13:19
What's on the actual package? Yeah.
1:13:23
And cussing, especially if you have another 25 of them.
1:13:31
Yo, if you're eight as p.m. for today, yeah, on a Monday or
1:13:40
Tuesday after a Monday holiday. Yeah.
1:13:42
And it's and it's raining out. Or snowing or sleep.
1:13:50
Yeah, our Dark Night like some of your cases tornadoes today,
1:14:00
Virginia Beach today. When we were recording this had
1:14:03
a tornado go through. Don't worry it'll blow by it's
1:14:12
just a giant wind bag anyway. I didn't know bill was in
1:14:17
Virginia. Oh right now, yeah.
1:14:25
That that manual entry option to be honest I'm surprised they
1:14:30
haven't removed that from the scanner and yeah I think the
1:14:35
only ones of the fact that If it requires you to add once you put
1:14:39
in the barcode or tracking number, it requires you to add a
1:14:45
date and a Time. Yep.
1:14:48
Which is manipulating and potentially could be falsifying
1:14:54
and the reason they put a stop to that is because carriers were
1:14:58
going into that or management. For express mail to beat that
1:15:04
12:00 cut off. So they weren't failing that
1:15:09
they used to. Am I talking about the alleged
1:15:12
Integrity scans? And I was just going to talk to
1:15:15
him or that I was just going to touch on that is I think I've
1:15:19
actually only used that mantle and manual entry Weiss in my
1:15:24
going on eight and a half years and that was /.
1:15:28
The supervisors directive at the time, I'm for a scan ahead been
1:15:33
missed the day before and I knew I had delivered it.
1:15:36
So she had me punched it in under manual with the
1:15:39
approximate time. Yeah, it was prior to the whole
1:15:44
Integrity scan stuff. Yeah.
1:15:47
Yeah. I would say that I did that at
1:15:49
my, at my old office when I was an RCA with the Two scanners
1:15:58
ago. Not.
1:16:01
So we have the ones we're using now.
1:16:02
We had the big bricks. The ones before that.
1:16:05
Oh yes. Yeah, the ones with the green
1:16:06
scan light. Yeah.
1:16:08
Yeah. Well no, well, the ones that we
1:16:11
were discussing before that you that we had a that we sink to a
1:16:15
Bluetooth. Yeah.
1:16:17
The fluid flow than you think with the with the with the
1:16:20
Bluetooth to to get the GPS locators on it.
1:16:25
Yeah. Would we would they have the
1:16:26
report with the Miss scans? I did it.
1:16:30
I did it once or twice the next day.
1:16:32
Hey, did you do you remember a parcel for this guy?
1:16:34
And it's like to say to my man by supervised man, I don't I
1:16:39
don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday and you want
1:16:41
me to remember if I ski but normally it's like, you know, I
1:16:45
came back with the truck empty. So I'm pretty sure I delivered
1:16:47
it. All right, said, okay, well I've
1:16:50
got another one that we haven't followed up on you.
1:16:52
That came as a private message into the page.
1:16:57
This is one more question if you have the time is blue box, scan
1:17:00
and pick up. A neither Rex guide or contract.
1:17:04
I have paper copies both in front of me and cannot find it.
1:17:06
Trying to put together documentation to present to the
1:17:09
postmaster request. The UPS Store.
1:17:12
Drop off pickup location, be added as a blue box on mapping.
1:17:21
Because I assume as the UPS Store drop off pick up, she
1:17:25
probably has like a blue box scan code that she has to scan
1:17:29
it. Think that I answered.
1:17:31
Let me answer this because we have, I have this situation in
1:17:35
my office because we have a UPS carrier, my office has a UPS
1:17:40
store on her route and yeah she goes in, she takes an empty tub
1:17:48
in, you know, behind the counter.
1:17:50
They They accept mail, she swaps an empty tub for a full tub.
1:17:54
And there is a, there's a barcode, there's a blue box
1:17:58
barcode on that, on the door to their mail drop And it has to it
1:18:06
has to be cleared like any other blue box can on any other route
1:18:13
and you know, there have been times that you know, when I was
1:18:16
an RCA that it's like hey can you run out to the UPS Store and
1:18:20
stop by because that that scan hasn't cleared yet?
1:18:26
So, you know, people that are CA might have to run out there for
1:18:31
some reason, it is just didn't clear, so you had to go out and
1:18:34
get it. So yes, I would say, I don't
1:18:38
know where it's in writing, but if but if it's a scam that has
1:18:42
to be clearer than I would, I would definitely talk to your
1:18:45
postmaster and your local and your local union representative
1:18:51
about that. Having it having it added.
1:18:54
It was I was just going to say the same thing it you know, if
1:18:57
it is if there is a collection box scan that is required every
1:19:03
day saying that you were there and collected the mail.
1:19:09
Then it should be, it should be notated in the mapping.
1:19:14
That's, you know, some way. And don't forget to get the
1:19:19
Dismount distance to yes. Yes.
1:19:23
Hopefully, it's already an authorized dismount.
1:19:27
With and measured on how far from the truck to go in and get
1:19:33
everything. Yeah, you have a lot of faith in
1:19:35
management. I said, hopefully, I want to
1:19:39
make sure you measure from your truck to where you drop the mail
1:19:43
off to where you pick up the mail back to your truck for the
1:19:48
authorized this mail. Don't scan it.
1:19:51
One minute early, it doesn't count as a scan.
1:19:53
Oh God, yes, just going to. I know I've had to sit at my
1:20:00
blue. I've had to sit at my blood
1:20:02
works for like two, three minutes a couple times.
1:20:04
Yeah. All right, we got anything else.
1:20:08
We want to touch on guys? Are we going to wind it down for
1:20:11
the night? Only thing I would wanted to
1:20:15
would add is look forward to a bonus light-hearted episode
1:20:23
later this week. I've hopefully everyone will
1:20:27
enjoy it and I will put out the caution that the language can be
1:20:33
a little explicit at times. We have a couple special guests
1:20:37
that we recorded a. I will put this out there.
1:20:41
We recorded a little bit of a crossover episode with Damien
1:20:46
and Sean from attempted delivery.
1:20:48
I do believe we will be releasing that.
1:20:51
I think we agreed on Wednesday since their podcast drops on
1:20:55
Thursday morning. We Every be dropping that on
1:20:58
Wednesday morning. So look forward to that, it was
1:21:02
good. Like I said, I'm going to
1:21:04
caution you language. May fly a little bit.
1:21:09
Yeah, it was definitely a lot. And hope hopefully if you guys
1:21:16
like what you heard on that episode, you'll actually find
1:21:22
them and start listening to them and supporting them.
1:21:26
Definitely, go check them out. That's attempted delivery.
1:21:29
They are a couple roll, carrier brothers that are making their
1:21:36
way into stand-up. Comedy open mic night, so it was
1:21:40
really cool to finally, get a chance to talk to them.
1:21:42
I will have to admit. It was a little bit of a weird
1:21:45
fangirl moment because I'm so used to listening to them on
1:21:48
Thursdays that actually talking to them was kind of like, oh,
1:21:52
wow, this is cool. But hmm, That's what they said
1:21:57
about you. It really will almost was they?
1:22:03
Yeah. So I know they've mentioned us a
1:22:05
couple times on their podcast and we've mentioned them a
1:22:07
couple times now, but we will probably in the future.
1:22:11
Eventually do something else with them as well, but look
1:22:13
forward to that that'll just kind of be our midweek.
1:22:15
Special on Wednesday. I will let you guys James and he
1:22:21
last Thoughts Sammy commentaries.
1:22:27
Yeah, make sure you subscribe to There's podcast, subscribe to
1:22:32
ours. You know, this was a little bit
1:22:35
different type of podcast that we normally do.
1:22:38
You usually wear a lot less scripted than we were today, but
1:22:42
a lot of that had to get out. A lot of that had to be brought
1:22:45
up and we want to make sure that we cover.
1:22:48
What people want to hear from us.
1:22:52
Because that's what we're here for is, we're here for you guys.
1:22:56
That's our whole goal in. This is just a reach out to our
1:22:58
fellow brothers and sisters in the craft and no matter what
1:23:03
we're here for you guys, people can say bad things about us
1:23:09
anywhere they want, they can say, whatever they want about
1:23:12
us, that's their right. They have the freedom of
1:23:15
expression to do so, and we have the freedom of expression to
1:23:20
bring information Nation to you guys on this podcast.
1:23:25
We're not here, trying to circumvent anybody.
1:23:27
We're not here. Trying to take away from
1:23:30
anybody, we're trying to give and build up people.
1:23:36
And if you take away, just one thing that you can talk with
1:23:38
your fellow carriers about or your local union rep for your
1:23:42
management about. Then we've done our job here,
1:23:46
just one person. Does that I feel we've done our
1:23:48
job. To thank you to each and every
1:23:51
one of you that listens to us every time we post a podcast and
1:23:55
be safe out there and take care of your fellow carrier.
1:23:59
Josh following James is cinnamon, you know as long as
1:24:06
We're making at least one person's life job easier.
1:24:13
We're doing, we're doing what we set out to do.
1:24:17
Don't get overwhelmed if you do. Step, take a step back.
1:24:21
Take a deep breath. And step back in and get at it.
1:24:24
Have a good week hike. Well, this is going to be a
1:24:28
short week for me this week, Monday, Tuesday Wednesday, then.
1:24:31
Thursday will be at mid states convention in Wichita, Kansas
1:24:37
So, if you're in the 12th, if you're in one of the 12 State,
1:24:41
well, even if you're not, I look forward to seeing, I believe, we
1:24:45
have 230, people registered for mid states.
1:24:48
Wow, looking forward to, to seeing you all there.
1:24:51
Of course, national board members.
1:24:53
The national board will be there for Q&A on Saturday.
1:24:58
There's also going to be an address from someone from the
1:25:02
Postal Service. On Saturday.
1:25:05
So I'm looking forward to seeing what the national board and the
1:25:09
in the USPS have to say about oh I don't know car wrecks.
1:25:16
Maybe they are supposed to be implemented.
1:25:20
Yeah. Yeah.
1:25:21
It's supposed to be Saturday the day.
1:25:22
It's supposed to go into effect so supposedly so we'll see if
1:25:27
you're registered. I'm looking forward to seeing
1:25:29
you there and if you're coming safe travels bill, Oh just to go
1:25:35
back a little bit. You know, in regards is talking
1:25:38
about people working off the clock.
1:25:41
This bugs me because of the fact that, you know, if you work off
1:25:45
the clock. Yeah.
1:25:46
And you devalue your routes evaluation keep in mind.
1:25:50
When you bid off that route, you're doing a disservice to the
1:25:53
next carrier. And I think that's probably one
1:26:00
of the things that irks me. The most is that you don't think
1:26:03
Beyond yourself. And that's not the premise of
1:26:06
the Union. The union is the think about the
1:26:10
entirety, the entire craft, your office, your District.
1:26:16
So don't do it. Don't work off the clock.
1:26:18
Don't cheat yourself and don't check cheat the next guy in
1:26:21
line. Okay, or girl, we're here giving
1:26:23
our time freely Eve. And we're trying to educate the
1:26:28
craft. We're trying to make management
1:26:31
and the union no more responsible in regards to our
1:26:35
concerns. And by offering this service,
1:26:39
like you said, if we help one person, if we get to positive,
1:26:44
you know, comments and we get some feedback, we have people
1:26:47
asking questions. I mean, you know, it's showing
1:26:50
the level involvement that people are actually starting to
1:26:53
take seriously in regards to how there's been They pay is you
1:26:56
know actually calculated I think that's the best part of this.
1:27:00
This whole podcast is that we are getting people involved and
1:27:05
with that, you know, make sure you go out do the job to the
1:27:07
best of your ability. Don't cheat yourself, don't do
1:27:10
anything outside. The guidelines that you feel
1:27:13
comfortable with or outside and you know what management gives
1:27:15
you written directions in regards to doing these say folks
1:27:20
I do the best job you can at the end of the day, go home to your
1:27:23
loved ones. And You know, God bless you all
1:27:27
because, you know, this is a tough job and a tough time, for
1:27:31
this craft and for the post office.
1:27:33
So take care of yourselves. Get home to the people who care
1:27:37
about you. Thank you Bill.
1:27:40
It's going to be a short week for me as well.
1:27:43
I am off tomorrow for celebration of life services for
1:27:46
my daughter's grandfather and then I will be Tuesday and
1:27:51
Wednesday running two routes as usual.
1:27:55
And then Wednesday evening after work, I'm going to take off and
1:27:59
downstate to my parents house. Spend the night, get up really,
1:28:01
super early and hit the road about five a.m.
1:28:03
Thursday to head to Wichita. So I know we have myself Mike
1:28:08
and I do believe James is going to be making it down to Wichita.
1:28:11
So we three of us will be at mid states.
1:28:14
We look forward to meeting anybody.
1:28:17
That's going to be there. That's a listener.
1:28:18
That will be. That'll be fun.
1:28:21
And on that note, I want everybody to stay safe this
1:28:24
week. Safe travels, if you're
1:28:26
traveling, stay safe out on the route and we will see you back
1:28:31
next week. Well, technically, see him
1:28:35
Wednesday when we post the joint with attempted delivery.
1:28:40
So, we'll see you on Wednesday and then our normal time for a
1:28:43
regular podcast. Well, don't forget to like,
1:28:46
share and subscribe. Well, maybe I'll have to see
1:28:49
what's going on Sunday because I probably will still be driving
1:28:52
home. So we might have to change it
1:28:55
up. We will get back to you on when
1:29:00
the next official episode will be.
1:29:02
Yeah, well Pope will post. If it's not on Sunday night or
1:29:08
Monday on the page will post it on the page.
1:29:11
We're not going to do their normal lunch date.
1:29:15
We'll work it out amongst ourselves once we figured out
1:29:18
because I just dawned on me, I will be driving, well, Plus
1:29:22
hours on Sunday. So ya better way to talk with
1:29:28
all of us. Now, we can talk to you all the
1:29:30
way home. But anyways, everybody have a
1:29:36
safe week and we'll see you next time.
1:29:41
Bye-bye.