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Chuck’s Commentary - Trump Fails On Economic Messaging At PA Rally + Democrats Win BIG Again In Special Elections · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: episode of the Chuck Podcast. Our third episode of the week,
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  Speaker 1: which means this is our big weekend episode of a
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  Speaker 1: terrific guest on a topic that I think is getting
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  Speaker 1: more and more attention. And conversation and it's about screen
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  Speaker 1: time and our kids. Interviewing Julie shell Foe. She is
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  Speaker 1: the founder, former journalist, but the founder of an organization
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  Speaker 1: called Mama Mothers Against Media Addiction. It is modeled after
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  Speaker 1: Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving and it is simply that
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  Speaker 1: just trying to focus on getting screens out of schools,
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  Speaker 1: not just you know, cell phone bands and schools, which
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  Speaker 1: of course is you know, when you think about how
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  Speaker 1: hard it is to get our two parties to agree
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  Speaker 1: on anything about the one thing this year where there
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  Speaker 1: has been bipartisan agreement on a policy idea, it has
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  Speaker 1: been cell phone bands and schools, and the early metrics
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  Speaker 1: in the places that implemented it first, you're already seeing
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  Speaker 1: at least some evidence of teachers saying students are paying
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  Speaker 1: more attention and test scores being up, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see again it's it's it's a it's a small
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  Speaker 1: sample size of the of the early adopters of this,
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  Speaker 1: but it goes further than just phones and schools. As
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know, this has to do with iPads
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  Speaker 1: and you know, using devices and you know, what's the line.
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  Speaker 1: And in this case, Julie makes a pretty uh, a
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  Speaker 1: pretty credible case as to why even using screens, you know,
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  Speaker 1: using school iPads, that there's got to be an age
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  Speaker 1: where we don't do it until, you know, maybe it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ninth grade, maybe it you know, you don't
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  Speaker 1: get your first device as a teaching tool until eighth
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  Speaker 1: or ninth grade, something like that. But to at least
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  Speaker 1: have some sort of marker here, we've seen Ram Emmanuel
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  Speaker 1: became the first major potential presidential candidate in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight to call for a you know, a nationwide band,
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  Speaker 1: which is what of course Australia is trying to implement,
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  Speaker 1: I believe in just the last couple of days. So
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  Speaker 1: it is the relationship with tech and our lives in
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  Speaker 1: many ways I think is going to continue to be.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, the economy is obviously first and foremost
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  Speaker 1: in any campaign year. Healthcare is always a part of that.
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  Speaker 1: But after those two issues, the impact of tech on
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  Speaker 1: all of our lives, whether it's screen time and our kids,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's AI and the and the fear of AI
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  Speaker 1: job displacement, the the you know, the impact of Silicon
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  Speaker 1: Valley and big tech in our lives is something it's
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  Speaker 1: clear more Americans want more control over this. There's this
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  Speaker 1: feeling that you don't you know when you the reason
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  Speaker 1: I think you're seeing this growing bipartisan sort of revolt
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  Speaker 1: and pushback. I mean, even look at the pushback that's
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  Speaker 1: taking place inside the Republican Party where Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 1: saying he wants to sign an executive order that prevents
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  Speaker 1: any state from trying to put regulation on the AI industry.
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  Speaker 1: And immediately, you know, they tried to put it in
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  Speaker 1: the government. You know, they try to get it in
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  Speaker 1: the bill to reopen the government, and there wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: votes for that, and there was a total revolt on that.
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  Speaker 1: But even on this, I mean, you have Ron de Santis,
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  Speaker 1: the governor Florida, unveiled He's already unveiled his own what
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  Speaker 1: he calls here, I'm reading it here a citizen's Bill
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  Speaker 1: of Rights for artificial intelligence. And the proposals he's presenting
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  Speaker 1: are the types of things that a lot of lawmakers
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  Speaker 1: left and right would like to be talking about, including
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  Speaker 1: protecting consumers from from anxiety inducing things like deep fakes,
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  Speaker 1: data collections, chat box, it's engaging with minors, chatbots posing
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  Speaker 1: as mental health experts. You know how to deal with
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  Speaker 1: fraudulent use of our names and likeness. You have the
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  Speaker 1: revolt of people thinking that these data centers are the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why our electricity bills are spiking all over the country.
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  Speaker 1: There certainly appears to be a direct correlation, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: in the state I live in Virginia. So it is
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think it is worth noting how much
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  Speaker 1: this is more than just you know, in some ways,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I bring it up as very singular issues, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to well, what are we going to
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  Speaker 1: do about AI job displacement, what are we going to
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  Speaker 1: do about these data centers? Or what are we going
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  Speaker 1: to do about you know, kids in schools. There is
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  Speaker 1: a larger sort of tech in our lives, right, and
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  Speaker 1: there is a growing feeling that we have less and
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  Speaker 1: less choice of how do we how tech interacts with us.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, that's it's almost a universal
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  Speaker 1: sort of political complaint, right. You will get a revolt
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  Speaker 1: of the masses when there is a feeling that control
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  Speaker 1: that they used to have they no longer have, right,
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  Speaker 1: control that we all used to have. We feel as
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  Speaker 1: if we no longer have I mean, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: go back take the there's a there's a there's a
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  Speaker 1: movement to try to sort of flip the script on
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  Speaker 1: the Internet. Right, instead of us having to agree to
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  Speaker 1: terms and conditions to use apps that big tech asks
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  Speaker 1: us to click yes on that, it's the other way
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  Speaker 1: around that when they want access to our data, they
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  Speaker 1: have to ask us permission. Right. It's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: what the Europeans have been trying to do and their
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  Speaker 1: ability to regulate interactions between social media or AI and
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  Speaker 1: the general public. But this is, you know, none of
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  Speaker 1: this is unpopular, right, And it is interesting to watch
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration wanting to barrel through. They've gone they
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  Speaker 1: have sort of are they they want government and AI
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  Speaker 1: to be fused together. They bought they accept the premise
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  Speaker 1: that America has to win the AI race. Right. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of the AI tech founders have convinced
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration that if they attempt any restrictions, China
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  Speaker 1: is going to win the I race. And it's it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's the plot of the most recent Mission Impossible. Right,
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  Speaker 1: whoever gets to the finish line first suddenly controls the globe.
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  Speaker 1: Right is sort of the fear I think that has
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  Speaker 1: been presented to the Trump administration and may explain why
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  Speaker 1: they're going along with this idea. And of course I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a reason there's a lot of us that
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  Speaker 1: are very skeptical of just racing down this road. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if you like the way the tech companies introduce social
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  Speaker 1: media into society, then by all means, let them go
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  Speaker 1: unrestricted introducing artificial intelligence into society. But if we look
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  Speaker 1: at what social media has done and we look at
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  Speaker 1: it as a failure, not a success. And that's the thing,
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  Speaker 1: is social media been a success or a failure? If
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  Speaker 1: in some ways there are successful elements to it, there
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  Speaker 1: are plenty of people that have made money off of it.
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  Speaker 1: It has certainly allowed more access to influence and attention
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  Speaker 1: from around the world, but it is destroyed truth. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Why do we have so much skepticism about truth where
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  Speaker 1: we're having a debate about what is true and what
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  Speaker 1: isn't could arguably blame the algorithms and social media. And
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  Speaker 1: so to me, it's not surprising that you have an
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  Speaker 1: electorate that it won't take much to fire up against
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  Speaker 1: the forces of Silicon Valley, because when you start to
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  Speaker 1: say do you want to have artificial intelligence introduced into
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  Speaker 1: society in a similar way that social media was. Or
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  Speaker 1: do you want more guard rails? I promise you you
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  Speaker 1: probably get seventy to eighty percent supporting that. No, there
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  Speaker 1: better be more guard rails as we introduce artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 1: into society than there was during social media. And so
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  Speaker 1: you put all this together and you can start to
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  Speaker 1: see and I still think this is not going you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think these will be debate talking points in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. I think you will certainly see various candidates
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  Speaker 1: test driving some of these things. A citizen bill of
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  Speaker 1: rights on when it comes to the implementation of artificial
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  Speaker 1: intelligence will certainly, I think pop up in governor's races
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  Speaker 1: in particular, and this cycle will have is the big
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  Speaker 1: cycle for governor's races. I do think it'll be really
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  Speaker 1: the presidential campaign that'll make this more of a national issue, right,
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  Speaker 1: because that's when you're gonna you know, there'll be when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the job displacement issue, I think that
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  Speaker 1: is what will feel more front center. And then of
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  Speaker 1: course we want to see what is the state of
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  Speaker 1: this economy. Right, this is an economy that is not
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  Speaker 1: a good economy, but it is being essentially rescued right
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  Speaker 1: now by AI investment. Right, you have a whole bunch
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  Speaker 1: of you know, I talked to one smart observer of
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  Speaker 1: the financial and a trained economist who said to me today,
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  Speaker 1: actually that we're already in a recession. We just haven't
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  Speaker 1: you know, the numbers just aren't out yet, and it won't.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it looks like productivity is doing okay because
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  Speaker 1: of just how much investment the sort of the six
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  Speaker 1: or seven largest companies in the world are making into
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. It's essentially up and up America's GDP. It's
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  Speaker 1: sort of propping all these things up. So it's masking
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  Speaker 1: what is likely a recession for half the country. Right
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  Speaker 1: there are parts of the you know, there's certainly the
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  Speaker 1: one percent and those with some savings and some money
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  Speaker 1: in the stock demartment. They are they are not experiencing
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  Speaker 1: the recession. But for the for the other half of America,
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  Speaker 1: they are experiencing recession. Right there. They have costs or
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  Speaker 1: too much. Right, you have an affordability issue on health care,
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  Speaker 1: and affordability issue and groceries, and affordability issue on housing.
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  Speaker 1: These are things that you just can't skip. You can't
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  Speaker 1: pinch pennies on right, you might be able to you
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  Speaker 1: might be able to skip some things and try to
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  Speaker 1: save money in certain places, it's not like you can
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  Speaker 1: delay paying a health insurance premium and and risk to
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  Speaker 1: go without health care. So this affordability crisis and this
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  Speaker 1: recessionary feel that those that don't have that are paycheck
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  Speaker 1: to paycheck, that don't have a bunch of savings in
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  Speaker 1: the stock market is pretty acute, which transitions me pretty
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  Speaker 1: well to what was, you know, another debacle by Trump
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  Speaker 1: and this economy and his rally in Pennsylvania. Every time
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  Speaker 1: this administration over the last couple of weeks, frankly, it's
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  Speaker 1: been about two or three months that they try to
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  Speaker 1: get you know, it's clear his own staff realizes they
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  Speaker 1: have at least they have a political problem, if not
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  Speaker 1: a real problem. Right, they know they have a political
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  Speaker 1: problem messaging on the economy. And how do I know
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  Speaker 1: that they all know? Because JD. Vance on Wednesday morning
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  Speaker 1: basically was desperately trying to re explain Trump's comments from
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania where he started calling it a hoax and then
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  Speaker 1: he started, I mean to me, he went down this
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  Speaker 1: road again where okay, well, you know, you know, your
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  Speaker 1: little girl doesn't need thirty seven dollars, they can handle one.
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  Speaker 1: Your child doesn't need fifty pencils, they can just have
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  Speaker 1: one or two. It is such a tone deaf Let
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  Speaker 1: them eat cake, mindset. Right, It's as if we have
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  Speaker 1: President Marie Antoinette here, and it really rings as super
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  Speaker 1: out of touch. And it's clear you of people like
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  Speaker 1: Jade Vance realizing how bad this is. So he tweets
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  Speaker 1: this morning, which is just the fun. I'm gonna read
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  Speaker 1: his tweet, and then Joe Biden's insane policies left American
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  Speaker 1: families unable to afford a decent living in their own country.
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  Speaker 1: Through tax cuts, better paying jobs, and investment in American industry,
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  Speaker 1: prisoner Trump is making America affordable again for working families,
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  Speaker 1: one step at a time. Right. They're trying so hard
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  Speaker 1: to explain this economy, but they're making the same mistake
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  Speaker 1: that the Biden White House made, which is, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: you feel like this economy and good, You're wrong. This
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  Speaker 1: economy is doing We're doing really well, and it's healing,
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  Speaker 1: and this is happening, and this is happening. You know.
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  Speaker 1: In Biden's case, he kept leaning on, look at all
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  Speaker 1: the new jobs that are being created, look at all
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  Speaker 1: the money that's being invested. Well, in some ways, Trump
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  Speaker 1: is trying to make the Trump and Vance are trying
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  Speaker 1: to make the same case. Hey, you know, we're spending
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  Speaker 1: all this money and we cut your taxes, and oh,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, look at the stock market and look
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  Speaker 1: at all these deals that we're doing, but pay no
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  Speaker 1: attention to how tariffs are increasing your every day your
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  Speaker 1: everyday bills. So the trumpet, the Trump White House is
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  Speaker 1: walking into appears to be the same trap as Biden there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, want to tell the public, don't don't believe
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  Speaker 1: what you're feeling. That's essentially right. It was essentially the
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  Speaker 1: message that Biden was communicating on the economy, that Harris
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  Speaker 1: was communicating on the economy, until they realized now they
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  Speaker 1: had to be they had to sort of do a
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  Speaker 1: little I feel your pain. You know, Vance here trying
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  Speaker 1: to do a little bit of I feel your pain.
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  Speaker 1: the mayor of the City of Miami. Now in the
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  Speaker 1: City of Miami, it's it is there is a strong,
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  Speaker 1: large Cuban American population, and you've had nearly a generation
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  Speaker 1: that office over and over by the way the office itself,
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  Speaker 1: it's considered a weak mayor position. It's a part time job.
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  Speaker 1: allowed to have other jobs. But the point is is
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  Speaker 1: that that's how quote unquote small the job is. And it's
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  Speaker 1: And it's the first time Democrats have won the mayor's
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  Speaker 1: race in over thirty years. Now, it is worth noting
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris actually carried the city of Miami even as
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump carried the county of Miami Dade, which in
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  Speaker 1: Georgia that flipped a twenty plus point Trump district that flipped.
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  Speaker 1: We're starting it's the same pattern. We'sa on Tennessee seven
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and that special same pattern we saw in twenty twenty five.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: There's somewhere between a ten to fifteen to in some
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: places twenty point overperformance by Democrats. Now, why is this happening? One,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you have fired up Democratic voters. Two Democratic voters in general.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Are Democrats now have the more reliable voters the voters
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you know we're divided on education. It's another way of saying,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, who's paying attention to the minutia more so?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And who's who the voters that parachute in for presidential elections. Well,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the Democrats now have the line's share of the voters
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that are paying attention to all political minutia versus Republicans
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: are the ones that we'll see it turnout spike now
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: in presidential years. It's a total reverse of what it was.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: What it was for the eighties, nineties and even the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: first part of the twenty first century. But we have
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: now seen this is as as sort of Trump created
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a realignment of the party the way he did. The
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: less reliable voter who used to be more likely voting
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Democrat than Republican. Now that less likely voter more likely
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: votes Republican the Democrat. Which is why Democrats are overperforming
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: in all these special elections, all these non presidential elections,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: whether it was the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin right
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: after Trump got elected, or it's what we just saw
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: earlier this week in the city of Miami or in
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the state of Georgia, the everyday regular voter is just
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: showing up and that it is benefiting Democrats. Then you
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: throw in what is a sort of a growing demoralized
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: base of the Republican Party. Right, it's best expressed of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: watching what's happening in the House, where you have more
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and more Republicans getting cranky about not having any plan
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: on healthcare. Apparently Mike Johnson seemed to hint that, oh,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you know, we're going to have a healthcare plan and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: really soon, and you're like, you are, you've had let's see,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: when did Obamacare pass. Obamacare passed in March of twenty ten,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: so they've had Republicans have had fifteen years to come
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: up with a healthcare plan alternative, and what they just
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: in another week they'll finally have one. Let's just say,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: there's quite a bit of skepticism on that, and it's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: deserved skepticism. And at this point, it doesn't look like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: they're going to get a healthcare compromise before the end
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of the year. But I'll be honest, I think it's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: gonna come. I told you I think in the earlier
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: episode earlier this week, the outlines of a potential compromise
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that will probably be more to the liking of Democrats
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and Republicans is coming together in the House, and at
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: some point it will take Donald Trump just saying go
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: ahead and pass it. I'll support it, and I'll give
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you cover. That's still but we are now to the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: point where it looks like these are going to expire
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and they're going to have to retroactively end up giving
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: giving people the subsidies back. I am, you know, maybe
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I'll be eating crow on this, but I'm still convinced
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that something's going to pass. These subsidies are going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: get extended a year or two. I think the only
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: thing Republicans have effectively said no to is the full
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: as a three year extension, which is technically what Democrats
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: have been asking for. But somewhere in the in the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: two year range one to two year range, it is coming.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It's just at what point does Trump cry uncle? And
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: at this point it's not clear that he's ready to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: cry uncle just yet. Before I get to the interview
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: with Julie Chelfo and Mothers Against Media Addiction and Mama
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: as the acronym spells, I want to just weigh in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: on two things that are sort of business business see
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: issues that I'm actually particularly with one issue, I want
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to hear from you. I want to hear from the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: listeners and viewers on two things. One do you pay
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: attention to the prediction markets i e. Polymarket or Calshi. Two?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: If you do, what is it that you pay attention to?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Is cultural predictions? Is it sports predictions? Is it political predictions? Three?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Do you participate? You know so, I will make a
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: full confession. I participated for the very first time on
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the Calshi markets over the weekend, and it had to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: do with the I was doing it simply to see
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: if anybody was leaking the information of the college football
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: playoff bracket So on Saturday, I sort of for the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: first time, you know, I signed up for a Calshi account,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and I bought shares of Miami making the playoff, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I bought shares of twenty five cents, which really meant that,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: you know, essentially what the market was saying, they have
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: they have a one and four shot of making the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: playoff or so. In the prediction markets, it was said
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame was in the ninety nineties, it was like
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: ninety two ninety three percent tile and Alabama was in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the mid seventies seventy four or seventy five percentile. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I did it because I was mostly curious to see
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: if this was going to leak and we were going
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to see people try to manipulate the prediction markets, like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: we saw with the Nobel Peace Prize, where it turned
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: out the information got out. I think it wasn't an
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: official leak. It was I think somebody hacked into a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: website and saw a website preview before folks knew, and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you saw the prediction markets move
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: as if they knew something. As it turned out, they
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: did know something. And I just wanted to see if
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: somebody was going to do that. So I was as
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for the college football playoff, I was
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: watching this happen and you would see a lot of volatility,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't a hundred percent, you know. It was
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like now people think they know, but they don't know. Right,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you could see how that works. It gave me some reassurance.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I was glad to see it. You know that something
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you know, whether it leaking or somebody wasn't trying to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: gain the system. And obviously I ended up making a
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: couple of bucks on how that worked. I actually was
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: monitoring it was I was I assumed that Miami's that
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the share price of the Miami prediction was going to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: go up sooner than it did, Like it didn't. Really.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: It's clear the prediction markets did not believe Miami was
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: was going to get in, and that to me is
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a reflection of what the conversation was. Right, If if
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: nobody has information, then they're basing it on sort of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the zeitgeist. Right. But I bring this up because recently
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: CNN signed to deal with Calshi where they're going to
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in some form it start including or noting what the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: prediction markets are saying about topics they might be covering.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So for instance, yesterday we saw the Federal Reserve cut
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: interest rates. Well, that was a market you could bet
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: on or you could you know, prediction marketing there, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: it was it was in the seventies over the last
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you know, a few days, and then it got up
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: today eighty five, ninety, et cetera. But as much as
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I do enjoy sports gambling, okay, you've heard me reference
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it before, some of you know I do football picks
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: for Tony Kornheiser on his podcast, I fully confess to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: enjoying it, but I've been extraordinarily uncomfortable with the idea
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: of betting on politics or betting on elections. I haven't
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: ruled it. I'm not I'm not trying to be, you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: sort of a school barm about this, but it is
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not yet comfortable with it. And I'm curious what
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you guys think, and I'm asking you send me, send questions,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: put some comments in the comment section, or go ahead
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and send us a send us comment via ask Chuck,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and we'll we'll dive into it next week. You know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of fear out there that do
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you you know, at what point I believe in the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: wisdom of crowds and at the same time I don't
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: want to see crowds manipulate an outcome, right, And you
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: know what is that line? You know, what should be
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: something that is okay, it's okay to that, and what
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: is something that is should we really be betting on this?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I'll give you an example. I'm gonna let
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: me put up a pull up a few a few
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: things that they offer up that I some things that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: make sense and others that don't. So, for instance, Calsh
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: will allow you to bet on what the Federal reserves
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: here J. Powell will say during his December press conference,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and the choices are, will he attribute terror inflation to
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the tariffs? Will he says if he says dot plot
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: at his December twenty twenty five posts, you know, meeting
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of the Federal Reserve, that would be somehow a win here.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: If if he uses if he refers to the adp
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: AS report, apparently that would somehow be something you could
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: win a bet on it. There's sort of like it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: one thing to bet on whether there'll be an interest
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: rate cut, which again you know, I'm uncomfored you know
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the State of Virginia. Let me give you an example.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: The State of Virginia does not allow in its sports
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: mobile app for people to gamble on who might win
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: an award. Like if I wanted to gamble on the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: on who wins the Heisman Trophy, State of Virginia wouldn't
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: do that. They are very strict. And how what they
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: approved for gambling, and that was games of chance, right,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And and a sporting event in some ways is something
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that isn't knowable beforehand versus in theory there is somebody
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that will know the answer to who won the Heisman
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Trophy before it is announced, versus an actual sporting event
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that we're all watching in real time, right. And so
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: they have decided not to legalized bets on outcomes that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: some committee or group of people may know in advance.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And that's I think the line here. You got to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: ask yourself, like, look, you can bet on who will
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: be the Democratic nominee, or excuse me, buy shares of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: who you think will be the Democratic nominee. You can
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: buy shares of who you think Trump will nominate to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: be fed chair. Okay, but how do we know somebody
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: within Trump's circle isn't gaming this and isn't going to,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you know, try to make money on this with quote
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: insider information. Right in the actual financial markets, it is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: illegal to insider trade, right, And there's no doubt there'll
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: be some Certainly the rules about insider trading will apply
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to this if it's ever if it's ever shown. But
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: then there are things like when will Trump announce his
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: new chair the Federal Reserve? So this is something that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you can will it be before December twentieth, Well, that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: sixth sense? Will it be before or the end of
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the calendar year? That's twenty five percent? Believe that Will
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: it be before January fifteenth another seventy two percent? And
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: then you know, I guess everybody would get their money
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: back if none of those hit, or everybody loses if
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: none of those hit. But if you're you know, if
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you already know the answer to this, or you're long
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: on something and you've got access to Trump, and you
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: know what, if we have a president who's extraordinarily transactional
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and who's open to somebody financially lobbying them, which is
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a more polite way of saying, Brian, And you know
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have no idea whether we would
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: ever have an American president who would be transactional like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that on things like pardons or whatever. But that's the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: part of this that I will admit gives me some pause.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: There's some parts of this that feels like the Democratic
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: nominee in Texas that looking at those markets, that's interesting
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of interest to me. In case you're wondering right now,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Tall Rico is fifty six cents and Jasmine Crockett is
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: at forty two cents. So that's not what the polling
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: says right now, but this is what betters or predictors,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I guess you would say, believe is going to be
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the outcome of that. And so look, they've been betting
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: on elections in the UK, you could bet on American
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: elections and overseas markets from before. But I guess what
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I'm getting at here is if we're going to go
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: down this road, there probably needs to be a bit
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: more regulation around it. There probably needs to be sort
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of a line drawn in the sand that is, hey,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: this is a that's a manipulation. That's too that's too
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: much of a thing that can be manipulated. So take
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: this question that you can bet on the following on
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Calshi who will visit mar A Lago BEFO twenty six,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: And you can just and there's all sorts of choices
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that you can buy shares of Benjamin Nett Yahoo. That's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: according to Kaoshi that that's the leading prediction on that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: one at eighty seven cents out of a dollar. NBS
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of Saudi Arabia that's at thirteen, he's second on the list.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Zelenski's at ten cents. He's third on the list. Sam
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Altman's at seven, Brittany Mahomes is at five, Jamie Diamond
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: is at five, Jerome Pals at four, Kim Kardashian is
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: at two. You know, it's kind of silly, right, But
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: here's something else. There was a huge spike for net
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Yahoo over the last day or two, and I think
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: there's an assumption that he's going to somehow make his
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: way out here. He's desperate for Trump to continue to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: lobby for a pardon on his behalf with the is
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: with the President of Israel, so there may be some
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: motivation there. But it's one of those things that feels
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like somebody already knows the answer, but the public didn't
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: see it, so we have a betting market on it. Right. Look,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: we're a free country. If you choose to do this
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: with your money, it's your choice to do this with
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the money. The question I have is how comfortable are
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you with news organizations incorporating this into their coverage, which
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: is a decision seeing in may You know, we already
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: have a lot of people that I think correctly complain
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: that our campaign coverage is always focused on the polls, right,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that it's horse race coverage. Will this make all political
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and policy coverage horse race coverage? You know? Are we
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: going to see stories about the debate over extending healthcare subsidies?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the prediction markets, well, they
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: think there's going to be a deal, and that there'll
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: be a deal to extend these subsidies sometime by the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: end of January. There may not be any reporting that
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: says that it may be true, it may not be true.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Is that stuff worth incorporating in reporting if you're seeing
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: it and look, in fairness to them, let's see how
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: they use it, let's say how they incorporate it. But again,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I do this more as you can hear in my voice,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: as somebody who again I am, I am. I'm a
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: bit libertarian on the vices, right. You want to legalize cannabis,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you want to, you know, put a high age element
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: on it, legalize other vices. I'm gambling things like that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm you know that's your business, right, I'm I am,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I am. I am an empathetic libertarian here. The question
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: is whether our political debate, our policy debates, are they
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: going to be enhanced or harmed by the casinification of news.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So obviously you can hear my hesitance on this, you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: can hear my concern on this, but I'm not unpersuadable
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: on this. So that's why I am This is one
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of those I'd love to hear what many of you
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: think on this, whether any of you have enough of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: an opinion to express it to me if you don't
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: want to put your name on and I get that too,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: by the way, on this, so please do shoot me
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: an ope on this. Where are you on these prediction markets?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: You know, I am a gawker of them. I'm fascinated
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to see a lot of times it's just representative of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: what the zeitgeist is already saying, or what the polling
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: is indicating. Or what reporting has already been out there.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, for instance, they've got a market of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: which world leaders will be out by the end of
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the year. Which world leader do you think is number
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: one on their list? If you said Nicholas Maduro, you'd
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: be right, right, Well, that's common sense, But there's actually
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it's only trading at eleven cents, which means it's essentially
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the prediction markets believe there's only a one in essentially
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a one and ten chance that Maduro is out before
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the end of this calendar year. Does that matter to you?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Does that at all? And here's the thing. It may
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: have no impact whatsoever, But the minute I reported that,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: have I planted a seat in your head and somehow
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: created a form of sort of news consumption bias, if
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you will, right, So, anyway, it's that's the beauty of
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: this format is is we can sort of throw out
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: this idea. I'm not going to sit here and pretend
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: that I have concerns, I'm intrigued, and I'm rapped and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's and I have my own hesitations and all of
• 38:56
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  Speaker 1: a first timer. I think we'll call him a long timer. Hey,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: send say your interview with Sarah Esker blew my mind?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: All right, I had no idea that the original article,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the first was about congressional representation and apportionment. Makes so
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: much sense that our founder's prioritize representation before anything else.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Got me thinking, could this be the basis for a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: limited series or film? Most Americans don't know this history.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: In dramatizing it, could it make structural reform like a
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: return to our roots? Man, Austin, what a terrific idea?
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You know, you know it's interesting, I assume, and I
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: hope you're watching the Ken Burns American Revolution series. It's
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: fantastic and it's certainly also very you know, there's nothing
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: nothing harder than trying to put together a documentary like
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: he does, essentially without any archival material, archive video, things
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: like that, pictures, et cetera. It's not easy. But a
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: dramatic a limited series on the essentially the fight over
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the Constitution and you know, the failure of the Articles
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of Confederation and and sort of yes, and we could
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: create some drama. You get some characters. Ben Franklin's a
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: great character. Thomas Jefferson's a great character. John Adams is right.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: We know a little bit something about all of them.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Some of them have been portrayed. I mean the Jot
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Adams series and that that HBO put on some fifteen
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: or so years ago with Paul Giamatti is just one
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that if you all consider yourself a history junkie, then
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you've already seen it. But I love this idea, Austin.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I think you're right because I think there's there was
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: plenty of drama. There was plenty of debate, you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and you can have different episodes. You know where the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: cliffhanger is, you know, you know there was a cliffhanger
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and what the official language was going to be. Right,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: there's a cliff you know, all these little cliffhangers about
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: what were we going to be as a country, you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: all those things. I think there would be interest in this.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: And again we've seen this, you know, his historical dramas
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: have done well. And look, I have a I believe
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that part of you know, I think we need to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: offer more ways for people to learn how our system works.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Not everybody wants to read a book about it. Not
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to read a textbook about it. Not everybody
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: wants to listen to ten hour podcast about it. So
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: whatever way you get that into the ecosystem, and your
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: idea is a good one of sort of dramatizing you know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the fights over the founding and the fights that took place,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: so that people can see the compromises. You know that
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the final the decisions that were made were all compromises, right,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: it was. It was never designed to be perfect. So anyway,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a terrific idea. Hey Netflix, are you listening, Austin?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And I would like to pitch this as a as
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a TV series, Austin, I promise if for some reason
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: we get this opportunity. I'll hook you up, don't. Next
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: question comes from Michael Laurry says, Hey, Chuck, what were
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: your best and worst movies of the year. I also
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: love your thoughts on ken Burn's American Revolution series. Aha,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I already gave you that one. What's your favorite of
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: his work? And which upcoming projects are you most excited about?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: African American History, LBJA, Baseball, Stand Up the Mormons. Lastly,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: if Netflix is buying Warner Brothers, do you think David
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Ellison heard his chances by criticizing the process and highlighting
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: ties as a selling point. So IM like a small
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: confession about movies. These days, I watch fewer movies than ever,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and I think part of it is I am trapped
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in the joy of episodic television that we have right
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: we are living we are still living in the golden
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: age of this, you know, whether it's man I am.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm digging plorabis and I'm still curious where we're headed here,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Although I have a My latest theory on plorabis is
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that it's a are you sure we want one collective
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: intelligence about who we are? Right? I don't know. I
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: felt like maybe maybe it's commentary on artificial intelligence. By
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the way, I'm an episode behind, so no spoilers on
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: this front. And my other confession is when I travel,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: that's when I kind of junk out on movies. So
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I just watched it. I've been traveling this week, so
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I finally watched the Naked Gun reboots. Eh, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I there was some fun grace notes. I appreciated the effort,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but there's a part of me that feels it's almost
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: too far away, too long ago, like we lost an
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: entire you know, that was arguably three pop culture generations
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: ago that the last Naked Gun movie came out, So
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I think, you know it, it's a you know, it's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: interesting being in the later stages now of middle aged right,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: which is right, I've got grown kids. But you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: it's funny about the movie industry. There's two there's two
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: demographic groups that actually go to movie theaters. Apparently one
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: is teenagers, so that's that explains all the Marvel movies
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. And the other is empty nesters,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: which is why you get right now, we you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you know, over the last fifteen years, it was a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: lot of baby boomer nostalgia. Now we're getting we're starting
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to get gen X nostalgia on this front. So as
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: for my favorite ken Burns, look, I've seen a lot
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: of them. I enjoyed, you know, I'm going to do
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: a deep cut here. I enjoyed the Prohibition one because
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that was something I knew the least. It was one
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: of those gaps for me, so it filled in a
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: lot of gaps. So I really enjoyed that one. And Baseball,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: of course, was I think transformational. You know, it was
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: in the Civil War, and obviously the Civil War was
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: his essentially the masterpiece that gave him the currency to
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: do all of this. Right, he is America's historian. And
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: what I had really admire about what ken Burns has
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: pulled off in the American Revolution. I mean, think about all,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you know, if he had asked me, well, what do
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you think I'm going to do the American Revolution, I'd
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, boy, right after these debates that went
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: through sixteen nineteen versus seventeen seventy six, these competing commissions
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and all of this, and like, boy, good luck trying
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to make something that everybody can feel comfortable with. And
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: lo and behold he seemed to make something that you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: he has not gotten. He has somehow avoided stepping on
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: too many political landminds. You know he's been I think
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: it's been very straightforward, and I have found it. You know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I've certainly learned some things that I you know, you
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: think you know, uh, and there are more things that
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: you learn there. So it's uh. I really admire his
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: ability to have success with this in this polarized culture
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that we lived in. We had to give him some
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: special award, like, I don't know how you did it,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: but congratulations, you did something that we don't seem to
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: have any politicians capable of doing. So I owe you
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: a few more movies. I'll does do you care that
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I watched the Mission Impossible Final Reckoning movies? I will
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: confess that, you know, I I it's a it's a
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I always I designate. Like I say, most of my
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: movie watching now is when I'm want to be sort
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: of if I'm on a long flight and I'm trying
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: to pass the time. It's in fact, Mission and the
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Mission Impossible series in the Jurassic Park series, right, those
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: are some I consider those guilty pleasures, meaning you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I know you know what you're gonna get. They are
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: what they are. I find them to be the perfect
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: airplane movies. So I did venture into both of those.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: But I owe you a better Michael, I owe you
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a better a better list of movies I like this year,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: So cot me some slack on that, all right. Next
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: question comes from Yavari from Finland. He says, hey, check
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: listener from Finland here loving the longer episodes, keep them coming.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: The Senate primaries in Texas are turning out to be
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: quite interesting. Oh yes they are. How bloody do you
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: think they can get? For example, between all Read and Tolerigo. Well,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: in fairness, I think I did not answer this question
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: in a timely fashion, because, as we now know, it's
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: no longer all Read in tall Rico. It is tall
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Rico and Crockett. If you are a listener to every episode,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: you may have already heard my take on that. I'll
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: give you that in a second, but let me finish
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: your question. You noted between all Read and tall Rico,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you saw neither one seems to be the type to
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: knife each other that much. But she never know then
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: on the Republican side, now that Hunt has jumped in
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the Republican side. Is there a lane for him in
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: your opinion? Also, could you give a brief outlook on
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: how Montana looks for the Dems in twenty twenty six.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of friends there and they seem
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: optimistic about Russell Cleveland seating Ryan Zinky. That's in a
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: house race. I believe that Zinc is running their kind
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: regards Lea Fari, let me start with the Texas thing.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I answered it before. Obviously, look, Jasmine
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Crockett essentially drove colinra al Read out of the race,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and it was pretty clear three way primary was going
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to create a runoff, that there was enough people that
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: got to all Red convinced him to run for something
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: that's the remnant of his old house seat there Texas,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Because you know, if Democrats Republicans are already with that three
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: way race, you know that's destined for a runoff, which
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: means even more money of them throwing mud at each other,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and it's an internal fight. You know, it did seem
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to be a self inflicted wound for Democrats to also
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: have a large enough primary with prominent candidates that would
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: guarantee a runoff on their end. You know why, you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: why not take advantage of the situation of Republicans And
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: so now you do have a situation where I all
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: want to agree to get out. It's Jasmine Crockett and
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: James Tollerico. And as I implied history, I think this
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: is going to be a race that is less about
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: ideology and more about style. Right. You're essentially this is,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you know, how much do you want a fighter and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: how much do you want to uniter? Right? You're going
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to have the pastor versus the fighter, right, and what
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: is the mindset of the electorate? And if like I said,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I went pretty long on this and yesterday's episode, so
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I'll keep this one shorter. But essentially, I think this
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: is going to be a noisy primary on the Democratic side.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's going to be a
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: nasty primary, right. I think both could pay a penalty,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you know, and how they go about it, right, Tyla
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Rico has a as a brand that if he gets
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: too negative or sort of practices sort of conventional old
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: school negative politics, that could boomerang on him because he's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: trying to be a different type of a different type
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: of candidate, a different type of Democrat and I think
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Crockett are already sort of you know, she's she's a
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: bit polarizing, certainly in a general electorate, and she needs
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: a United Democratic Party behind her if she wins this primary.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: So I definitely agree with your tam that if it
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: had been all read Tolrico and Crockett had decided not
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to run, that that would have been a that would
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: have been a patty cake primary a little bit, you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I think it would have been sock. The curiosity I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: have about the Democratic side of this is will outside
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: groups sort of be the ones to throw all the insults? Right? Well,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: we see a bunch of outside Democratic money essentially try
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: to damage Crockett, because I mean, that's what I think
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: is most likely you do have. You're not going to
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: get the party leadership to admit that they prefer publicly
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Tallerico over Crockett, but their body language is going to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: come across that way. There's just a perception that she
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: can't win the general. I do find the story. I'm
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: not sure it's interesting that the NRSC decided to take
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a victory lap and say, hey, look what we did
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and try to take credit for talking Crockett into running,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and of course noticed this story about you know how
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the NRSC is sort of taking credit for getting for
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: essentially coaxing Crockett into the race. Meaning they did some
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: early polling. They were curious to see if Crockett had
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: any traction. They tested her and they realized that she
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: was actually the best known, that she would do the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: best in a Democratic primary, just sort of implying that
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: she had the highest name recognition of anybody that could
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: possibly run. And you know, John Cornan is not hidden
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: his belief that he thinks that that Crockett would be
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: easier to defeat than anybody else. He faces. Problem for
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: John Cornan is I do not see a scenario where
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: he's the nominate, and I'm mildly surprised he chose to run.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: You know, I had a thesis and I think I
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: shared it, and so I will look, I was wrong
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: about the following. I thought he certainly was behaving like
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: somebody who was buying time from everybody, saying that he
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: let me give me to the filing deadline to prove
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that I can win this thing. Well, then Wesley Hunt
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: got in. It got complicated. But you know, while Cornan
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: certainly has done a good job raising Paxton's negative was
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: his early TV negative TV ads. It hasn't accrued to
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Cornan's benefit. And you know, there's there's certainly he just right.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: He feels like he's just a fish out of water.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And where this Republican Party is these days, and it's
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: as if the electorate knows that Cornan is not one
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: of them. Right, he is getting a strong thirty thirty
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: two percent, which is about what's left of the Bush
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: wing of the Republican Party nationally, and it's about what's
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: left inside the state of Texas. Now, if Cornyn were
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the general election of the Republican nominee, there's no doubt.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I think he's a favorite no matter who he would face,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: whether it was Tylerico or Crockett there So obviously the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Republican primary is going to be scorched earth, just scorched earth.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: But you know, nothing's really moved. What I'm curious about
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: what is going to move Cornan's numbers up. I know
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: what everybody believes will move Paxton's numbers down. What moves
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Cornyn's numbers up? And in some ways he may have
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: made a mistake and the nrsc is bragging about getting
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett in. But if Republican voters are convinced that
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: anybody can beat Crockett, then they don't have to hold
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: their nose and support Cornyn because he's quote unquote the
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: only one that can prevent a Democrat from winning the Senate.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: See So I just find it interesting that the NRSC
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: is beating their chest when they actually that if Crockett
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: is the center of attention in the Democratic primary, that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: actually may send the message to Republican primary voters that hey,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Democrats are going to nominate somebody who can win a
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: general election, so you don't have to worry about supporting
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the mushy moderate John Cornett. And there's another reason why
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Cornyn may regret that there is a competitive primary at all.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: In the Democratic primary. It's a you know, Democratic you know,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: if there wasn't a competitive Democratic primary vote, you would
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: have seen some that might vote in a Democratic primary
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: choose to vote in the Republican primary. There's a little
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: bit of choice in Texas, and he may cost himself
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: some potential sort of moderate Democratic voters who might have
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: if there really wasn't a competitive Democratic primary, they may
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: have done that so look, you are right to point
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: out those Texas primaries. It's certainly why why we're already
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: have identified the Texas primary night as the next night
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: we go live with election results in twenty twenty six.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: That is going to be as consequential of a primary
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: night as there is in deciding whether or not Democrats
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: do have a serious chance at picking up the Senate.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm sinking one more question before we get
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: into my little college football preview for the weekend. It
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: comes from Brian from Sterling, Virginia, says love the Todd cast,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: especially the World War One discussions. Here's a favorite historical
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: what if of mine. What if arch Duke Ferdinand's driver
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: hadn't taken a wrong turn, Sorryjevo, placing the air to
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: the Austrio Hungarian throne right in front of Gabrielle prince Hip,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: the guy who shot him. Without that fateful moment, we
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: might have avoided World War One, no rise of Communism,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: no World War Two, no Cold War, no Holocaust, and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: a radically different Middle East. That single wrong term may
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: have shaped the entire modern world. That's quite the what if.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I am. I am not a believer in that I
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we were on a hair trigger,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and I think that there were certainly, you know, we
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: were in a look think about the period we were in.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: We were hypernationalists around the globe. We were. And this
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: is why I think we're in a similar period now,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, every time we've had a massive
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: transition in our economy, you know, over the last one
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years, right, that was the advent, you know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: when we were moving from a raring economy to an
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: industrial economy. Globally, look at all that happened in the
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: first fifteen years twenty years of the twentieth century. You
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: had the Russian Revolution, we had all I mean, there
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: was disruption and voter revolt and people revolt and worker
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: revolts all over the globe. So it was a very
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: unstable time. So I as much as I mean, I
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: love the is I love a good alternative history, a
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: little good a little butterfly effect. I wish I hope
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: you're right. I'm don't think, but I look at it.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I think there there we were in a the whole
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: globe wasn't in a in an unsteady position. In fact,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: you could argue we're in a similar position now right
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: where you know we were, we were pursuing a very
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: closed border. We were uh anti immigrant at that time,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: we were had high tariff rates, we were a bit nationalistic. Remember,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: we didn't want to get involved at all. What was
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: going on in Europe. You know, Hey, that ain't happening here.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: That's why we're We've got two oceans between us and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: the other contents. So that's that would be My only
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: pushback to your theory is that I think that we
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: were that that that we were just the transition of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: the of the global economy from agrarian to industrial and
• 1:00:30
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  Speaker 1: had there was all sorts of tumult that was happening
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  Speaker 1: inside the Ottoman Empire. That was tumult. That was you know,
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  Speaker 1: you had sort of it was the big we were
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  Speaker 1: were it was getting chipped away at and certainly we
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  Speaker 1: had you know, look at how the fact that that
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  Speaker 1: did trigger a global you know, the Great War if
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  Speaker 1: it will, I think tells you what a tinderbox the
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  Speaker 1: globe wash was at that time, and that's something that
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  Speaker 1: I think about in this current period. You know, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get through this, and we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: through this, but this transformation of our economy has you know,
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  Speaker 1: rattled the globe. Right, look at Brexit, then look at
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing, and look at sort of the shift
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  Speaker 1: and uh into nationalism here and what that is. Look
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  Speaker 1: what that is triggered. You know, when when the biggest
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  Speaker 1: economy in the world starts behaving in an isolationist, nationalistic
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  Speaker 1: sort of you know America first, Well, suddenly other countries
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  Speaker 1: are going to be Japan first, and Germany first, and
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  Speaker 1: Italy first, and h and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: And so I certainly hope we can do we can
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  Speaker 1: escape this without with the mass casualties that we had
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  Speaker 1: with World War One. But it's not as if we're
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  Speaker 1: in a stable time period in our globe's history at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, right, you have a pretty active war taking
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  Speaker 1: place between one of the largest countries in the world,
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  Speaker 1: Russia versus Ukraine. Look at sort of the unsteadiness what
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  Speaker 1: we may be instigating a military conflict in Venezuela. We're
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  Speaker 1: a bit on Uh, there's certainly a lot of concern
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  Speaker 1: about potentially hot conflict with China over Taiwan. You've seen
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  Speaker 1: the rhetorical back and forth between the new Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: of Japan in China, so it's a it's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: what if. But I think when you look at the
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  Speaker 1: when you look at sort of what was happening around
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  Speaker 1: the world at that time, why why were we in
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  Speaker 1: this period where something like that could trigger all of this,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're underestimating what was a very I think
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  Speaker 1: a very unstable period that was taking place around the world.
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  Speaker 1: time where I've normally got this huge college football preview,
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  Speaker 1: we only have one game this weekend. But I always
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  Speaker 1: have good memories of this because I've been to a
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  Speaker 1: couple of Army Navy games, and I'm sure if you've
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: never been to an Army Navy game, you've missed out
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  Speaker 1: on something. And the first one I got to experience
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  Speaker 1: was was the first time I ever got to participate
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  Speaker 1: in a pool presidential pool, if you will. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that I got to do it probably violated something, probably
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: was a secret service violation. But it is now thirty
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: years thirty one years ago, so I think I can
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  Speaker 1: now it can be told. My late longtime friend Von Ververs,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: who some of you have heard me talk about before
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  Speaker 1: and I basically grew up in politics together working at
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: the Hotline. We lost him a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still still feels like yesterday. I miss him every day.
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  Speaker 1: I miss talking politics with him, and we worked together
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  Speaker 1: at the Hotline. We worked together at NBC. But when
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  Speaker 1: he'd gone back and forth from the Hotline a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times, and he actually got a network job before
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  Speaker 1: I ever did, he went to CBS and he suddenly
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  Speaker 1: he got roped into he was working in their political
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  Speaker 1: bureau and they were like a whole bunch of people
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  Speaker 1: wanted the weekend off and from their White House unit,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: so they talked Vaughan into being the guy who ran
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: the transmission pool for the White House Press Corps for
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the Army Navy game because the president was going at this.
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  Speaker 1: The president at the time, of course, was Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 1: This year they were playing. That year, they were playing
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  Speaker 1: the Army Navy game the old Veteran Stadium in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I remember this is because they also said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to bring a friend, we'll give you
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  Speaker 1: an extra an extra pass. So he says, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: want to come with me? And I was like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So you know, we drive from DC to Philadelphia. And
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  Speaker 1: the only if I had brought a Phillips screwdriver with me,
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  Speaker 1: I pro there is a there's not a zero percent
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: chance I would have walked away with a mic with
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: a framed Mike Schmidt jersey from the Phillies locker room.
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  Speaker 1: The White House transmission pool was in the actual Phillies
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: clubhouse in Veterans Stadium, and I just was mesmerized by it,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: and we you know it is now. Of course I've
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: been through what a transmission pool is. I've been through
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  Speaker 1: all of those things, and it's kind of a it
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: can it can be a lot of a lot of
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: work and a lot of sitting around, and it can
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: be a lone thing, which is why many networks are like,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you should have some company with this. But
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: it was the first time I got to experience Army
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  Speaker 1: Navy game, and I got to experience it sort of
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, and we watched the entire game on
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  Speaker 1: the on the sideline, and like almost every Army Navy game,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: it came down to the last drive of the game,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it was it was just fantastic, the pageantry,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: the passion. Uh watching halftime when the Commander in Chief
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: moves from one side, you know, sitting on the Army side,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: moving over to the Navy side, or if Navy was
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: the home team, the Navy side moving over to the
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  Speaker 1: Army side, and there's this sort of ordinate sort of uh,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: you know, you get the Navy, you get all the
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  Speaker 1: troops lining up and sort of lining and sort of
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: saluting the Commander in chief as they go. When I've
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: been to a couple of them, and some president doesn't
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: always go. Every year, when the president doesn't go, it's
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: usually the Secretary of defense that goes Sometimes a president
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and the Secretary of Defense goes. I imagine we know
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump loves himself a football game, and if he
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: can officially go to a football game, he's going to go.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm sure we're going to have a Trump moment
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  Speaker 1: or two at this Army Navy game because he's not
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: gonna he's not going to miss a moment to miss
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  Speaker 1: a moment. But uh, it's it's a it's just one
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  Speaker 1: of those, it really is. It's it's probably the only
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  Speaker 1: it's probably the purest college football that we have left.
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  Speaker 1: Right if you if you're sort of burned out on
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: nil and you're burned out on the conference realignment. Although
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: both Army and Navy have participated in conference realignments, in
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: fact they are now both members of conferences, there was
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: a period where Army was an independent and they were
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: sort of between conferences and things, and one of these
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  Speaker 1: days it's very possible. I'm really excited did over the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: last couple of years, we've actually seen Army and Navy
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  Speaker 1: higher coaches that want to innovate and saying, okay, we
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: have a we're going to have size limits of what
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: we're going to have but you know, which is why
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: they run the triple option, but hey, why not throw
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: out of the triple option some And we've seen much
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: more dynamic offenses out of both both service academies, which
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: has just been which has allowed them to pull a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: few upsets every now and then be a bit more
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: sort of punch above their weight as programs. And you know,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: the only curiosity I have is I have no idea
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: how how these football programs are going to how the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: how the NIL programs are going to work for Army
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  Speaker 1: and Navy, and whether they're we're going to start to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: see collectives for Army and Navy. I imagine we won't
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: feels like that that's a that that's that that's a
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  Speaker 1: gray area that autumn that that folks ought to stay
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  Speaker 1: out of. But you know, I don't want to rule
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  Speaker 1: anything out that we'll start to see something on that front,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: but I do I'm a sucker for it. And if
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  Speaker 1: you ever get the chance to go in person, I
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  Speaker 1: would just say take the opportunity. Even if you don't
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  Speaker 1: consider yourself sort of a you know, a big sort
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: of flag waving type person. I know that's not everybody's cupetite,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't make any less patriotic. I'm not. I don't want to.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I don't want to imply that at all, but I
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  Speaker 1: it is. And here's the other day. It's always a
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: good game, and it's just an incredible atmosphere. And if
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  Speaker 1: you want to know, I've some of my closest friends
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: and a former roommate. It's a Naval Academy grad. So
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  Speaker 1: I always root for Navy. But I just say go Navy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't say beat Army because you know I'm I
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  Speaker 1: don't have I don't I'm not anti Army on this one,
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  Speaker 1: but I do always come down on the Navy side.
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  Speaker 1: So go Navy. I hope you do well. But what
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  Speaker 1: I most want is just a great game, because when
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  Speaker 1: the Army Navy game is competitive, it's a lot of
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: fun to watch, especially when it's the only college football
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  Speaker 1: game we have this weekend. Although there is the FCS playoffs,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not in denial on that. One of the things
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I promise is that I might dabble a little bit
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: in NFL. I know I do a little bit of
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: that with Tony Koornheizer, but I'll be honest with you
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: until Miami. As long as Miami is alive in the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: college football Playoff. I'm going to be pretty pretty focused
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: on that. But as a Packer fan, I'm starting to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: feel as if i'm, you know, the beginning of this season.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: After the first couple of weeks, first two games, Miami
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: beats Notre Dame in South Florida by pretty significant margins,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: and they look like a really good football team and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: was going to be championship caliber. First two games of
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: the NFL season, Packers beat the Lions and the Commanders
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: back to back. At the time when Commanders, we thought, hey,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: you know, they just were in the NFC title game
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the year before. They look like a juggernaut. Then they
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: had kind of a mid season dip. Miami had kind
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: of a mid season dip. And now both my teams
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: are starting to starting to look like they at least
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: they can compete for the highest title of the season.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: So to say I'm a bit giddy about my two
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: football teams as an understatement, and I just thank them
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: in this In what can be when the day job
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: and the topics of what I have to cover for
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: the day job can be anxiety inducing and sometimes demoralizing
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: and sometimes depressing, it is always nice when your when
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: your sports teams can can provide a little bit of
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit of happiness. But of course, as we
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: all dedicated sports fans know, when your team, when you
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: suddenly have expectations for your team, you don't enjoy any
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: part of the game until you survived winning that game.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I can tell you I barely enjoyed any part of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: that Packers Bears game, but I was but after we won,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: then I was really enjoying the fact that we that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: that the Packers won. So to say that, I'm I'm
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty uh pretty excited about about what could
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: be coming over the next few weeks. I don't want
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: to jinx it, and for all I know, it could
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: come crashing down for both teams in a heartbeat. But
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: you know, when you have a pretty good defensive line,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: it's amazing how far your team's can go. And both
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: the Packers and the and the Hurricanes have themselves pretty
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: elite defensive lines. And if to me, that's the key
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to winning championships a disruptive defense, and both my Hurricanes
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: and my Packers have disruptive defenses. All Right, With that,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: with my sports biases out of the way, I will
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: call it a week. I will see you next week.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the weekend, be safe out there, and until we
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