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Recap of the Vikings win over the Browns, NFL International Issues, Vikings QB Debate | TSH Ep. 108 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey Vikingspans, welcome in to another episode of
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  Speaker 1: This Goal Hap. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're a
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  Speaker 1: couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer talking about.
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  Speaker 2: The Vikings, Yeah, we do. And we actually got into
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of the disagreement tonight, which doesn't happen
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  Speaker 2: very often.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been friends for like more than half of
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  Speaker 1: our lives and it's nothing new in our friendship. But
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  Speaker 1: it was a good argument.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 2: I also had to wear this disgusting piece of garbage
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  Speaker 2: jersey for the Lions again because of last week's purple punishments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to double up. Unfortunate, But this beer
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  Speaker 1: was good. I really enjoyed it. We tried a Twin
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  Speaker 1: Span beer from right here in Betton, North Iowa, and
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have to spin the wheel tonight to add
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  Speaker 1: misery to your already miserable punishment.
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  Speaker 2: Yet the wheel's not gone, though, so keep your eyes
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  Speaker 2: peeled for that. But for now, this beer was fantastic
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  Speaker 2: from Twin Span. Grabbing a cold one of your choice
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're both safe with the wheel he U.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're both safe right now. I
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  Speaker 2: am still, as you can plainly see by this disgusting
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  Speaker 2: rag over my body here. I'm still suffering the punishment
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  Speaker 2: from last week in that I had to wear allons
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  Speaker 2: jersey and then I had to double it up because
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  Speaker 2: that was the first punishment I really got.
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  Speaker 1: So that that double it punishment really really got you.
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  Speaker 1: It's the gift that keeps on giving.
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  Speaker 2: I would have rather got I think I said it
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  Speaker 2: last week on the episode. I would have rather got
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  Speaker 2: shot twice by a red rider beady gun.
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  Speaker 3: Is that?
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  Speaker 2: What is there? Red rider. Is that the wagon? What's
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  Speaker 2: the way? Is that also a red rock?
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  Speaker 1: Probably? I don't know, a gun.
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  Speaker 2: I would rather get shot twice in the same spot
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  Speaker 2: by a BB gun from like ten yards away, maybe
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  Speaker 2: ten feet away, I don't know. That might be dangerous,
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  Speaker 2: who knows. Then have to wear this stupid, stupid jersey
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  Speaker 2: for this awful team with awful fans, but at least
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  Speaker 2: the players. Okay, because this is a TJ. Hockinson jersey.
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  Speaker 2: But we also have a Bears jersey and a Packers
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  Speaker 2: Packers jersey and they are not former or they're not
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  Speaker 2: current vikings of those jerseys, if that made any sense
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  Speaker 2: at all. So I guess if I had to wear
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  Speaker 2: any of them, this isn't the worst. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: This is pretty awful.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the good news is neither of us have to
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  Speaker 1: spend this week. You spun last week, you had to
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  Speaker 1: double it. We agreed. You wore the Lions jersey for
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  Speaker 1: the last episode after we spun. Of course you didn't
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  Speaker 1: know about it at the beginning, And then here you again,
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  Speaker 1: paying through on your bet or on the wheel or
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, which is admirable. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, I would be I would be having a
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  Speaker 1: difficult time too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I am, I am. Do you remember last week
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  Speaker 2: when I first put it on, I was like flustered,
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  Speaker 2: my brain wouldn't work. You said something, and then like
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  Speaker 2: a minute later, I said the same thing, and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you're flustered because you just repeated what I just said.
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  Speaker 1: I knew you were frustrated by wearing it because I
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  Speaker 1: went back as I was editing the footage together and
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  Speaker 1: I think I had to leave to go to the
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  Speaker 1: bathroom or something, and the camera was still rolling, and like.
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  Speaker 2: Immediately after we were done.
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  Speaker 1: Well, at least we don't have to deal with this anymore.
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  Speaker 1: We can get rid of that jersey. We still have
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  Speaker 1: two ugly ones.
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  Speaker 2: Although we could talk about that, we could leave the
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  Speaker 2: jerseys on the wheel. I don't know. This is the first.
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  Speaker 2: This episode is the first post game episode that I
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  Speaker 2: don't have to spin the wheel. I've been wrong about
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  Speaker 2: every other prediction except for unfortunately been bad at picking games. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so far now I've picked the last three correctly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first two I.
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  Speaker 2: Did not, Man, so I'm I'm dum due for a
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  Speaker 2: little while. Although we'll talk about this later. Towards the
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  Speaker 2: end of the episode. We are not safe from purple
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  Speaker 2: punishments this week, even though the Vikings are on a
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  Speaker 2: bye this week. So again we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've got some beer here. I think we
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  Speaker 1: need to get into that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah beer here beer. So I'm really excited about this beer.
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  Speaker 2: This beer is from a close to home brewery that
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  Speaker 2: is very good. If you ever have a chance to
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  Speaker 2: try anything food or beer from Twin Span Brewing in
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  Speaker 2: betten norf Iowa, you absolutely should let yourself do that there.
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  Speaker 2: I think they only have one location, but their location
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  Speaker 2: is pretty awesome's great, and obviously I wouldn't talk about
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  Speaker 2: them unless their beer is fantastic. This beer, Evan, what's
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  Speaker 2: the name of this one?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can pronounce this correctly because
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  Speaker 1: I took Spanish in high school and this is a
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  Speaker 1: German beer. It's the Airbay rbi airba e erb. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how you pronounced that if you speak German.
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  Speaker 1: Put the phonetic pronunciation in the comments for us. The
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the Airbay forty eight. I think that
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  Speaker 1: means like eighteen forty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, there's a little description on the back there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can read it quick. It says this amber
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  Speaker 1: colored multi beer already like the perfect description of a
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  Speaker 1: beer for me, is in honor of the eighteen forty
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  Speaker 1: eight German Revolution and the Germans who left and settled
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  Speaker 1: Scott County, which is here. That's the county we live
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  Speaker 1: in in Iowa Beer owned Airba Beer and Heritage.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that you were going to try the
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  Speaker 2: German part there, but.
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  Speaker 1: Well, beer's pretty no matter what language you're speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think so. But yeah, that description on
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  Speaker 2: the can is perfect for what I'm looking at here.
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  Speaker 2: It's that multi amber color. Our beers look the same
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  Speaker 2: if you listen. Last week, my second beer that I
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  Speaker 2: opened up of Gazellig was a Gazellig their backyard beer
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it was called. It was delicious. But the
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  Speaker 2: second one I opened was a way different color than
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  Speaker 2: the first one. I can update. I suffered no physical
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  Speaker 2: harm from that beer. My stomach was perfectly fine and
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  Speaker 2: the beer was perfectly fine. So all good Gazellig, But
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  Speaker 2: yeah this one. Both of our beers look the same,
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  Speaker 2: got really good head retention. Tis the season for October
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  Speaker 2: Fest beers, and this doesn't say Octoberfest on the can.
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  Speaker 1: But it might as well.
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  Speaker 2: But it's pretty much it's a martzan, so front of
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  Speaker 2: the show for us can tell us all we should
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  Speaker 2: ever want to know. But it says it's a German
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  Speaker 2: style mark and which I don't remember. He had a
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  Speaker 2: good stance on what was a martzan and what was
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  Speaker 2: a fest beer.
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  Speaker 1: You should probably just have that guy on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And it's been too long. There's a few regular guests
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  Speaker 2: for our show that it's been too long. But oh well,
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  Speaker 2: all that to say, let's give this one a try.
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  Speaker 1: School School, Yep, that's my kind of beer.
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  Speaker 2: Twin span, you did it again. You knocked this one
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  Speaker 2: out of the park. What is it appropriate to say
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  Speaker 2: this before or after drinking prost? I think you're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to make eye contact, yes, and prost prost And then
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  Speaker 2: if you don't make eye contact, it's uh, something like
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  Speaker 2: infertility for a year or something like that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes that's not the worst thing, but either way, School.
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  Speaker 1: I had to ask my brother in law he actually
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  Speaker 1: studied abroad in Germany?
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  Speaker 2: So what was her name?
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  Speaker 1: My brother in law?
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  Speaker 2: No, you said he studied abroad. Oh gosh, I'm sorry that.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't get that on the first one.
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  Speaker 2: That was the dumbest joke.
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  Speaker 1: We've got all the talk about, uh, we're gonna we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna flip things up on our order here, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: start with roses and thorns.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, the Vikings somehow walked out of London undefeated
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  Speaker 2: in the UK. By the way, although is Ireland a
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  Speaker 2: part of the UK, I don't know. The Vikings posted
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  Speaker 2: and said there in London. Yeah, yeah, but they said
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  Speaker 2: they're undefeated in the UK. So I'm not gonna pretend
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  Speaker 2: to be smart enough to know about geographical definitions and
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff. But yeah, Vikings beat the Browns. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like they should have or deserved it, but they
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  Speaker 2: beat them twenty one seventeen and a really cool last
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  Speaker 2: second touchdown from Carson Wentz to Jordan Adison. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's just dive right into it. Evan, what was your
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  Speaker 2: rose for this game?
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  Speaker 1: Simply that it was a win. And I believe you'll
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  Speaker 1: recall that I texted you at one point during the
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  Speaker 1: game that if the Vikings win this game, it won't
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  Speaker 1: feel like a win.
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  Speaker 2: You did text me that you remember it.
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  Speaker 1: Still kind of seems like that's the case, Like, yep,
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  Speaker 1: they improved their record.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: There was a pretty awesome, you know, raw rah speech
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  Speaker 1: from Kevin O'Connell in the locker room afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: We can talk about that kind of but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a win, right, that's the rose. But it
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel like a win, and that that kind of
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  Speaker 1: just soured the whole experience for me. Like I remember thinking,
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  Speaker 1: like when Jordan Addison caught the touchdown, I'm like, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we got it. You know, it feel fatiguing almost, like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're just frustrating. Like the whole game was just like
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  Speaker 1: come on, like you gotta be kidding me. And for
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  Speaker 1: them to walk out of there with a win, great,
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  Speaker 1: they're on the bye week. Now. We'll talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the advantages of the bye week right now later, because
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  Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of advantages, but there
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  Speaker 1: aren't a lot of other roses that I can point
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  Speaker 1: to in this game other than the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: eked out a win and now it's the bye week.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. And sometimes you know, the phrase a win is
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  Speaker 2: a win is enough. You don't have to win by
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  Speaker 2: fifty every week, and you don't have to look pretty
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  Speaker 2: doing it. But my rose, it's probably one of the
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  Speaker 2: few other ones that are out there is the performance
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  Speaker 2: and the actual end result of the offensive lines performance.
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  Speaker 2: Christian darrisol left tackle, was apparently on a snap count
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  Speaker 2: that nobody knew about and just stopped playing at some
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  Speaker 2: point in the game. But then who is his backup?
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  Speaker 2: I don't even remember who his backup was. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: School because School was on the right side, because brand
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  Speaker 2: O'Neil is out. Donovan Jackson he had surgery a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks ago on his wrist and he was out,
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  Speaker 2: so I think it was Blake. No, it wasn't Blake Brandell.
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  Speaker 2: Who wasn't I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't even know. I'm trying to look it up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know who who was playing, but a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of backups. Blake Brandell, I'm pretty sure played center
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in his on the field career
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  Speaker 2: as a football player. It sounds like he had practiced
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  Speaker 2: there a few times, you know, in the last few years,
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  Speaker 2: but never enough to prepare to be the center. It
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  Speaker 2: was Joe Huber was oh, Joe Hubert was the left guard,
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  Speaker 2: undrafted rookie. Sounds like I mean, he he's gotten a
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  Speaker 2: lot of praise in training camp, and but he was
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  Speaker 2: inactive the first couple of games. He's really only playing
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  Speaker 2: because of all these injuries. And then the right guard
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  Speaker 2: was how I don't even know Jurgons are Bird Probably well,
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  Speaker 2: Jurgons he's on's been out, so Brandell was the center.
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  Speaker 2: So it went, yeah, that's how bad it was stuff,
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe, but after all that, guys playing out
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  Speaker 2: of position, backups of backups were playing the whole game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what their PFF grades were. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how many mistakes they made, but I do know
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  Speaker 2: they only gave up three sacks to one of the
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  Speaker 2: best defenses in the NFL right now, one of the
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  Speaker 2: best defensive lines in the NFL right now, and Miles
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  Speaker 2: Garrett didn't get a sack. I think there was one
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  Speaker 2: time Carson Wentz scrambled and it was kind of a
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  Speaker 2: broken up play and he only scrambled because Miles Garrett
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  Speaker 2: was chasing him, and Wentz actually gained like a yard,
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  Speaker 2: but it was essentially the same as a sack. It's
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  Speaker 2: just he ended up gaining a yard, so it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: technically a sack. But other than that Miles Garrett on
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  Speaker 2: the stat sheet was pretty quiet, which is crazy. I
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  Speaker 2: think that was as much as you can ask one sack.
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  Speaker 2: Did he get a sack?
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  Speaker 1: I think he did get one. I can look at
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  Speaker 1: the box.
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  Speaker 2: Score quick, but either way, if he got one, it
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  Speaker 2: was one of the three that the Vikings line gave up, which, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it may not have been pretty, it may
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  Speaker 2: not have been fun, but Carson Wentz had enough time
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  Speaker 2: to throw for over two hundred yards.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't get a sack.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: I was kinds taken. He had a few hurries. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he got into the backfield and like you were just saying,
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  Speaker 1: he was chasing Wentz around a little bit. But no
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  Speaker 1: hits on the quarterback, no sacks. Pretty quiet day for
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  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. One of the best defenders, one of the
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  Speaker 1: best edge rushers in the league.
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  Speaker 2: One of the best players period in the league. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you know that's credit to the offensive line for
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  Speaker 2: you know, overcoming adversity a little bit. Maybe there's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of luck sprinkled in there too, because you
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: know it's just gonna happen. You don't win many NFL
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  Speaker 2: games without just a little bit of luck. That's also
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  Speaker 2: credit to the offensive scheme and the game plan, because
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  Speaker 2: again I don't know the exact details, but I know
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  Speaker 2: several times I was watching, they snapped the ball and
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  Speaker 2: threw it out to a quick receiver, real quick, just
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  Speaker 2: because they knew the offensive line didn't have the stamina
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  Speaker 2: to be able to hold off that line too long.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of fact in that. But the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, the line looked okay, which is
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  Speaker 2: not what we were expecting. So that's my roses. You know,
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  Speaker 2: offensive line wasn't the reason the team collapsed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my thorn is pretty related to my rose, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start with my thorn, not to steal
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  Speaker 1: your thunder. My rose was a win. My thorn was
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  Speaker 1: that it was the Browns. And when I looked back
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  Speaker 1: on the other two Vikings wins, the Vikings have beaten
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals pretty badly. Actually, that was a pretty convincing win,
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  Speaker 1: and then they beat the Bears on kind of that
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter miracle drive from JJ McCarthy, which was maybe
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  Speaker 1: kind of his coming out party until he got injured
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  Speaker 1: and is now not playing. But I guess the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: have only beaten not very good teams. We could probably
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  Speaker 1: also say bad teams. The Vikings have only beaten bad teams,
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  Speaker 1: and that's I'm not super encouraging, especially considering the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: lost to the Falcons. Yeah right, yeah, and I was
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  Speaker 1: blank on at least one of them. Who else did
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  Speaker 1: they lose to the Steelers? Not that the Steelers are
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  Speaker 1: The Steelers aren't a bad team necessarily, but the Falcons
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  Speaker 1: aren't a good team at all. So to have the
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  Speaker 1: record they have through five games, isn't that impressive? And
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  Speaker 1: then you look ahead at the gauntlet of teams they
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  Speaker 1: have to play after the bye, the Eagles at the
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  Speaker 1: Chargers at Detroit, the Ravens, who are hungry for a win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're an inexplainable bad team right now as things sit.
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  Speaker 1: After I think there's gonna be a chip on their
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  Speaker 1: shoulder wherever they go. They're gonna just want wins wherever
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  Speaker 1: they go because they're so far in the hole right now.
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  Speaker 1: But then you've got two divisional games after that, Bears
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  Speaker 1: at home, followed by the Packers in Green Bay. Then
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: you go to Seattle, then you play Washington, then you
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: play Dallas. Like, there's just no relief for this team
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: for a solid like seven eight games. Yeah, the next
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: easy game, the one that I would maybe say is
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a win, isn't until week fifteen, sixteen against the Giants
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: whatever that is.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe, and who knows, maybe by then Jackson
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Dart has really turned it on and they're they've figured
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: it out. They might have. I think I've said this
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: many weeks ago, but the Giants might have a different
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: coaching staff by the time they played the Vikings later
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: this year. But and I'll rebuttal and say there are
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: no true easy games in the NFL. And yes, while
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it was your thorn, and I agree with it that, yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it was a win, but it was just against the Browns.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: The Browns with Dylan Gabriel, I'm not saying he's an MVP.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, oh my gosh, he's amazing
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: and they're set for the next fifteen years now with
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that guy. But in one game across the pond, in
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: a tough situation for Dylan Gabriel, I can say, as
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a slightly more than casual viewer of football, he did
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: look better than Joe Flacco. I mean, the Browns I
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: feel like upgraded themselves at quarterback with moving on from
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Flacco to Gabriel. Now, I don't know if that'll stay
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the course or if maybe you know, the Vikings are
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: just that bad that they made a bad quarterback look good.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: But I think as of right now, you got to say,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel, he's not terrible. So I'd be optimistic. If
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I were a Browns fan, it would be nice to
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: see a performance like that from our own young quarterback.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: But we have to see him on the field first.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a valid thorn that it was just
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: against the Browns. But you can only play who you're playing,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: and a win is a win, whether it's by three
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: points or one point or fifty points. So we can
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: only be so upset right now, what's your thorn? Well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: all that to say for most of that game against
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the Browns, my thorn is it's just the general idea
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: that the Vikings don't look like a good team. They
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: don't look like a team who when you do put
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: him up against the best of the best, they're gonna
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: compete very well. There's not a lot of confidence in
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the backups who are playing because there are so many injuries,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and for some of the guys who are injured and
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: should be back. Some of the guys you're like, well,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know what we're getting back when he does
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: come back. Anyways, the big name is JJ McCarthy. I
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: know after the game, maybe even today, somebody asked Kevin
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: O'Connell in his press conference, like, hey, is this Carson
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Wentz job to lose now? And in a spot where
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: KOC could have been like, hold on, we're not going
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: to go down that road. JJ McCarthy is our guy.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: He's the franchise quarterback. Something he said a year ago,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: right after JJ got hurt. He said something to the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: tune of vikings fans should take solace in knowing the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: fact that the franchise quarterback JJ McCarthy is in the building,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and yeah he's hurt for the next year, but he's
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: here and he's going to be learning, and you know
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: he's going to be all the better for it. He
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: could have said something like that in response to hey,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: is Carson Wentz QB one now, but he didn't. He
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: basically said, you know, I'm just really happy to get
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the win today and we'll, you know, take everything else
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: into consideration moving forward. It was a classic non answer
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: for a coach I'm really good at those non answers.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: In that aspect, I'd be a good coach, But in
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: every other aspect of being a coach, I'd be a
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: terrible coach. But yeah, we don't know what we're getting
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in guys that are coming back from injury. But Cashman,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: we desperately need him right now. I just did it.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: We the Vikings desperately need him, but yes we do.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: He's been injured, so you don't know how he's gonna
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: come back. Guys that are back and not injured, in
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Harrison Smith and Adam Thielen, You're not getting a bunch
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: from those guys.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Overall.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of confidence in the Vikings
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: right now. They don't feel like a team that could
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: go out on any given Sunday and beat anybody. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that's definitely my thorn.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think those two
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: guys that you just mentioned specifically deserve a little bit
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of support. I think Harrison Smith there was a I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: forget which game it was even now, but there was
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a clip where he literally moved Ivan Pace into the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: right spot and then Ivan Pace went ahead and got
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a sack. Yeah, like that's the value that Harrison Smith
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: adds in the defensive backfield. Is he gonna intercept a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of passes this year? Is he gonna break
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: up a whole bunch of plays this year?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: No?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Probably not. Is he gonna come off the edge on
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a safety blitz and bring down the quarterback three times?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Probably not. He's just not the player that he was.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: We get that, and I think the Vikings know that too.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: But he adds value to the locker room and to
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball when he's literally putting
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: like no, you stand here, ball snapped sack for Ivan
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Pace Junior like okay, that's why we want you here, right,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: and that's why we we agreed to bring you back,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: knowing that you're, you know, a fraction of what you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: used to be. I think the same as to be
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: said for Adam thlen Like he immediately had that like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: connection with Justin Jefferson that he's had for a long
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: time because he was Justin Jefferson's mentor when he came
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: into the league, Like Adam Thielen was the number one
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: guy in the locker room yep. And then he originally,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you know, was the top guy, and then you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: allowed JJ to kind of take that spot over and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: played second fiddle to Justin Jefferson for a long time.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And now Justin Jefferson's kind of that guy in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: locker room. But I think Adam Thielen just adds that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like mature presence. And we'll talk about Jordan Addison here
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in a little bit, but if there's ever a time
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: where the Viking need maturity and need that leadership in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the wide receiver room, it's right now. Yeah, And I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: think Adam Thielen brings that. Even if he produces nothing
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: on the field. I could care less about his numbers
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: on the field. I want two things out of him.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I want to see him be a leader, and I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: think he's already done that. And I want to see
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: him retire as a Viking, and I want to see
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: his I guess three things. I want to see him
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in the Ring of.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Honor, and all three of those, at least two of
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: those are happening right now as it looks, and the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Ring of Honor should happen. Maybe right maybe I was
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: too out of line, and you didn't call me out there,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: but I think I might have been a little out
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: of line, specifically calling out Smith and feeling because Smith
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I think played more than half the snaps in the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: defensive game. I was looking at the snap counts earlier,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and he had a crucial third down tackle if you remember,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: at one point Dylan Gabriel was about to get sack
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: close to the end zone his own end zone and
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: escaped it and then ran on a third and long
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and almost got the first down, but Smith came out
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and made a perfect open field tackle for it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So Smith is still there, and I'd still rather have
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: what is he thirty five years old? I'd still rather
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: have thirty five year old Harrison Smith out there than nobody,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: you know, Like there are a lot worse football players
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: out there than thirty five year old version of Harrison Smith.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: That's why they call the position the safety. He has
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the safety valve, Like when it hits the fan, you
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: need that guy who's gonna step up from all the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: way back there and stop the play. And that's he
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: adds value in more ways than one. My Ivan pace example,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I think is just one of many.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, And that's that's a tangible like we
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: can see it in real time. He walked over and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he said, but he put him
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: in the right spot.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Like he moved him. He literally grabbed him, moved him,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: ran back to his spot. Ball was snapped sack for.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: If we can find that clip somewhere in like this,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: maybe not the podcast, but maybe a real.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like zero point one five or so away from
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: winning in fantasy football. I just need Patrick Mahomes to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: throw for like five more yards.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: What's the game at right now? We're recording during Monday
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Night football.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: It's a tie game. It's fourteen fourteen.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Oh with Oh, you're gonna get it. Mahomes would have
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to get throw multiple interceptions for you not to not
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: play another snap.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I don't think. But anyways, I'm about to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: be four and one. I'm excited. This is the first
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: time I've put money on fantasy football.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah that that thousand dollars was definitely worth putting in
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: this year. I only say that because I know your
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: wife listens occasionally.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't a thousand.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: It's nowhere near a thousand.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Let's talk game balls. I want you to go first
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: because I went first for Roses and thorns.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you just kind of started off who I
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: will end up giving my game ball two. Justin Jefferson.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Everything you said a few minutes ago about him being
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: a mentor and a leader is absolutely true, and on
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the field he is producing. He made a few crucial
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: catches throughout the game, but definitely during the later parts
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of the game where it was super important. And then
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: just the things that you can't really ask for on
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the football field. You can be incredible and amazing and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the best football player ever on the field, but if
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: you're just a jerk or a diva or the worst
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: person ever, nobody's gonna want to deal with you. I'm
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: thinking not to say he's the worst person ever, but
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs he has He seems like a dude that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I just would not want to spend time with. Seems
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: like somebody who's gonna pout win everything's bad, and then
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: he's gonna do like weird dances when everything's good. I
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: don't know, I just don't want Steffan Diggs on my team.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I do want Justin Jefferson on my team because he's
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: gonna produce on the field, which he did against the Browns.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: He never gave up. If Jefferson had given up at
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: any point during that game, because there were some points
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, Vikings just punted. Oh, there's three
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: something minutes left on the clock. Yeah, they're not gonna
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: do anything. Jefferson totally, any human could have totally been
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: like ap game's over and given up. And if Jefferson
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: had done that, then he wouldn't have been there to
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: make the catches necessary for the win. And then off
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the field, he just he keeps doing non diva things,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and he keeps being a face of the franchise and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: a player that the NFL puts proudly out for the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: world to see. And I've never once heard him complain
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: about anything about being a Viking, aside from that one
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: miked up SoundBite he had years ago where Kirk overthrew
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: him in the end zone one time, or I think
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: he might have been open in the end zone one
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: time and Jefferson in the field of play said something like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: throw the dang ball, Kirk, and that's it. That's the
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: closest I've ever heard him to being frustrated with the team.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: He just he's a guy that I'm very glad is
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: on the team. Not only is the best wide receiver
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: in the in the league. He's one of the best
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: people in the league two and it's awesome. So for
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: all of that, he gets my game ball against the Browns.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: My game ball is probably controversial, m but I'm okay
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: with that. I'm going to give one to Jordan Adison,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to give on to Jordan Addison because
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: he didn't allow the controversy surrounding him to affect his
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: play on the field. Sure, and boy are we glad
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to have that guy back. We need him back, especially
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: with the aforementioned lack of production by Adam Thielen. Yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we, as Vikings fans, thought we
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: could get this, like, let's squeeze the last little football
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: we can get out out of Adam Thielen bringing him back.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: That was a moneyball reference, by the way. Let's squeeze
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the last little bit of football out of you and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: bring you back to your home state, your home team,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the team you grew up rooting for. You know, let's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it's a win win for everybody. And he just hasn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: produced yet. Not to say yet yet, and I'm okay
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: with saying yet. But the Vikings have needed that dual threat,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: because that I think that's how KOC has thrived as
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: an offensive play caller. Is Okay, they're gonna double or
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: triple Justin Jefferson over here. Jordan Addison's wide open over here.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Good job, guys, Or okay, you're gonna play man. Justin
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Jefferson can beat anybody in man. Or okay, you're gonna
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: play man. We're gonna throw a deep ball to Jordan
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Adison because he's super fast and he can beat pretty
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: much any of your corners down the field, and he's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: thrived on that as a play caller. So to have
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that guy back the last couple of games has been
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: big for this Vikings offense, especially with the struggling offensive line,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: especially with your backup quarterback with you know, a lot
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of question marks around who he's going to continue to start. So, yes,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: he has some growing up to do. Yes, he probably
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: should not have missed a walkthrough like he did. And
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with Kevin O'Connell enforcing some sort of consequence
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: for failing to meet expectations. I enforce those same things
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: with my team that I coach. I enforce those same
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: things at home with my kids that I'm trying to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: parent right now. We have certain expectations. If you don't
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: meet those expectations, there are consequences, absolutely, and I'm okay
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: with teaching a young player some of those valuable lessons
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: early on. I'm happy that he didn't allow that to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: affect his play and he went out and he played
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: pretty well. Not as well as Justin Jefferson, but he
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: got that clutch play, he got that touchdown pass. It
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: was interesting to me the postgame locker room video that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the Vikings typically put out after a win. It didn't
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: seem as you know, raw rale, let's go, we got
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the win. You could tell there was a little bit
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: more of a somber vibe in the room. And I
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: think that sends a message too that Kevin O'Connell knows
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that it's he's got us at the tone and that
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: whatever Jordan Addison did, maybe it's more egregious than just
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: missing a walkthrough. I don't know. Maybe you said it
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: not me.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: So I don't know anything, but I know how to
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: read Twitter, and there have been some wild things posted
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: on Twitter about I would say.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: That is speculation exactly.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I will never know. I feel like most people on
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: this planet will never know the exact reason.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Was there stuff on Twitter? Because I didn't go deep
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: on twitter. Was it like Dennis Rodman, like did you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: watch the Last Dance?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: No?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch that. You can watch basketball game.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't mean you're a sports fan, go and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: watch the Last Dance. There's some good stuff in there
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: because in one of the episodes they go deep into
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the Bulls were I think in the finals or something,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: or at least in the playoffs and uh, and Rodman
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: went to Vegas for like five days or something like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that just kind of they kind of let Rodman like
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the blank check, like okay, Hall pass, go do whatever
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do. We're playing at this time on this day,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you gotta be And it was like the.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Most rigulous Michael Jordan have to go like pick him
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: up and be like, dude, you gotta play basketball something
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: like I didn't.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch it apparently I think, yeah, I mean
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I've watched it, but it's been a while. But it
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: was something like that, like it was kind of ridiculous,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy. And there's even like footage of Rodman
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: doing some of this stuff, like I think he was
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: dating Madonna at the time, and it was like it
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: was crazy. I don't think. I don't know, but I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: don't think it was to that extreme.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Again, nothing on Twitter can be verified. It's not even
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: fair to really say it out loud. So all of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: this is a thousand percent speculation and none of it
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: may be true. But apparently he was out late and
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: doing fun things, party type things. I don't know if
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: any like were, you know, illegal, other than hey man,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you're here for a work trip. You shouldn't be out
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: until whatever o'clock in the morning. Again, I don't know
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: of any of that being true, but it sounds like
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: it was something to do with he was just out
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: part in till god knows how long in the morning.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: And that's about all I know, which nobody can really know.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was something like that.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: What is he twenty two? Twenty two year old kids
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: are gonna do stupid stuff. Twenty two year old millionaires
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: are gonna do really stupid stuff. I hope he's okay.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I hope most of the things I saw on Twitter
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: are not true and that maybe he just overslept and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: missed the walkthrough or whatever happened. But I just I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: hope he's okay because he seems like a good dude,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: but also it seems like maybe he likes to go
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: have good times. Again, nothing I saw was like, oh,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: he should be locked up. It was just like, why
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: would you do that? You know, like, just don't go
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: out partying until late. Again. I don't know if that's true,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: but if it is, it is good that if you
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: saw that. I think everybody saw the quote from somebody
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: asked Justin Jefferson about Jordan Addison, I had words with him, yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And it was basically like, yeah, we had. I had
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: my words with him and trying to be a good
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: mentor trying to keep him in line. There's so much vagueness,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: and again we'll never know exactly what transpired. But I
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: feel like that was one more thing on this trip
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to Ireland and London that by the end of this trip,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: most of the people with the Vikings organization, for whatever
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: reason you super your your star players out partying or
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: you're just tired and you haven't been home, most people
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: were ready to go home.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Do you know that you know that Jiff or that meme? Yeah,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I said it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for listening to episode who's the peanut butter?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Now, who's the guy that dated Uh, he dated Jennifer
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Aniston for a while. There's the the meme of him,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: he's holding a cigarette and he just looks exactly aspirated
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Yeah, Batman, Ben Affleck yeh yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Thousand percent would have never known that he dated Jennifer Aniston.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Like what, I don't know why that connection.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's you know, you're more of a culture than
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I not to say you are, but like you're in.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: But anyways, there's the there's the meme. We'll just use
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: meme because memes and jeffs can be the same thing
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: kind of sometimes I don't know what a jiff is.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Meme will go with meme, do you mean gif? Uh,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: there's the meme of Ben Affleck like he's just like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he's he's just you can see it's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like exasperated. It's that one. Yeah, that's how I envisioned
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell in his press conference today, even like who
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: who in the world schedules a press conference for a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: coach who has just spent two weeks overseas. The dude's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: jet lagged and he had a press conference this morning.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing at like lunchtime here, Like let the dude
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: sleep in.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that was scheduled though, Like I don't know
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: about the media, Like the NFL media has a strict schedule,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and I know there's like like players get what's the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Marshaun Lynch thing, Like players get fined if they're not
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: available to the media. So I don't know.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous that they would they, Like I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: don't know. There's probably an NFL Coaches Association, just like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: there's an NFLPA, Like I feel like their union should
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: push back against Like, listen, we just went overseas for
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: two weeks and I had to manage fifty three guys,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: plus my coaches, plus my equipment managers, plus everything else.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Do all these indus guys and signing guys because offensive
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: line move oranger?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give me a few days to go home, catch
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: up on my sleep, and be with my family. Just
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: leave me the f alone for a few days. Come on,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Like I just felt like that. I didn't even really
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: watch the whole interview, but I could just tell by
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: his body language, like the dude's tired and does some rest.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so on that note, so I listened to Kfan's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Power Trip Morning Show. I would venture to say, if
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you found us and you're listening to the school hop,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: you've at least heard of the Power Trip. Well, there's
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: three main guys, Chris Hockey, Paul Meetsas Lambert, and it's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Corey Cove the three main guys on the show. Chris
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Hockey of the Power Trip actually has like a game
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: day role like job with the Vikings. He assists Paul
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Allen in some way. He's one of a couple of
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: guys that do it well. He was the one who
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: does that role that went over to on this overseas trip.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: They've been gone what twelve days ago they left. He
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: went on that trip with the team, so he would
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: call into the morning show most days. And I remember
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I listened to the Power Trip Morning Show the day
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: that the Vikings arrived in Ireland. So the day one
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: they got off the lane and the schedule wise they
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: got off the plane, they basically went to the hotel
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: they were going into and then straight there they checked
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: in and then went went straight out to like meetings
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and a walk through just to get going. They didn't
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: go take a nap or anything. They just plane landed.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: They probably slept on the plane, plane landed, they went
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to practice pretty much, and then when the Power Trip
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Morning show was going on that day, Chris Hockey was
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: on the phone with the show. He got some like
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: immediately after the practice interviews with Adam Thielen and Josh Mattelis,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and there was some hurler, which is another sport that
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: they played like they went and visited the vikings. But
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: he also got a quick two seconds, two minute little
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: walk by interview with Kevin O'Connell. And during those few interviews,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: everybody sounded fresh and you know, ready to go, and hey, yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I just actually got a lot of sleep on the plane,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and yeah, practice went really good, and Kevin O'Connell sounded
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: really cheery, like, yeah, let's I'm excited for this trip.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Let's make sure it's a good one. We'll come home
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: with two wins. It'll be great. And then I also
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: listened ten days later to the last show that the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Power Trip had before the game, so like the Friday show,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: and Chris Hockey again called in. He didn't have I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: don't think Kevin O'Connell on the show, but he did
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: kind of say something that was like, yeah, I just
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I've been around the team and I was just watching
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell's press conference, and you just get the sense,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Chris Hockey said, you get the sense that koc he's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: ready to go home. It just felt it started off
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: really high, like yeah, we're here in Ireland, this is great,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and then at the last day it's like, that's just
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: go home. And that's before they even played the Browns. Like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sure this trip drained so many people. There were
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: so many injuries. They signed an offensive lineman a week
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: ago and had to figure out how to get him
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: over there, and I'm sure they signed the guy they
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: did because he was probably you know, one decent and
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: two available and could get over there with a passport
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: and everything. So I think this trip took a lot
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: out of this team, and hopefully they can bounce back. Yeah.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I mean they're the first team to play back to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: back weeks in two different countries. Yeah, which that's part
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: of it. Like there's a ton of logistics and like
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you said, there's probably more than just the coaching staff
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: involved in I know, there's more than just the coaching
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: staff involved, Like all of those other personnel that are
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: booking rooms and booking flights and making sure equipment gets
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: from point A to point B to point C to
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: point D. Like they are, you know, probably stressed to
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the max. Yeah, for that whole twelve day stretch or
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: whatever it was that they were over there.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So I know the Jaguars last year they played two
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: games in London, but I think they were like either
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: both in the same stadium or they played in Wembley
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and then another one in Tottenham.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But they probably stayed in the same hotel. They didn't move. Yeah,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: they practice in the same spot every day. Yeah, Like
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: this was totally different.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Like the Vikings the day they lost to the Steelers,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the whole team had to get on a plane because
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: they were located in another spot for the whole week
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: leading up to the Browns game. I think they said
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: on the broadcast at one point, which by the way,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Jonathan VILLEMA, he's Colly, He's bad. He's so bad. Likes,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that's all I can say. He's just so bad. There's
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: so many other good announcers out there. Tom Brady's better
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: than him, and that's saying something. But anyways, they said
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: on the broadcast at one point, like the Vikings sent
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: on a ship like thirty some thousand pounds worth of equipment.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: They sent it in like July to be in Ireland
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and then you know, launch over to London or whatever.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: So they've been logistically planning for this for months and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: months and months, maybe even all the way back to
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: last year, depending on when the NFL first started planning. Okay,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: we'll have two games for one team, Like I don't
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: know how long this goes, but it's crazy and I
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: hope the Vikings don't ever have to be over there
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: for two weeks again. They'd be terrible.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: The way the league is going though, there's I mean,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: this year said is setting a precedent for the number
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: of international games. They're going to be more international games
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: this year than there ever have been in the NFL
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: regular season. That is, so, I don't know that we're
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: gonna get away from it. Maybe we're the Vikings, not
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: we the Vikings are perhaps immune to it certain years
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: but have to deal with it in other years. And
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: maybe it is a two week trip, you know, every
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: blue moon or something like that. I don't know, hopefully not.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of stuff on this list of
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: things that you wrote down that we've already kind of
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: hit on, but I think we should hit on a
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: couple other things that we haven't talked about yet. One
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that I want to start with because it is the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: most interesting, I think to me out of this game.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about Will Reicherd's kick. Did it
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: hit the wires or not?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: The more I look at it and the more you
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: know versions of that terrible video, And it's only terrible
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: because it was like slowed down and like zoomed in
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: crazy Vikings Vans listeners, if you don't know what we're
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: talking about. Somebody, well, at one point in the game,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Will Record attempted a fifty one yard something fifty one
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: yard kick that would have tied it at seventeen, pretty
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: late in the game, and he missed it wide right,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: but it kind of looked like it was gonna be
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: good and then just veered off to the riot a
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: little bit, and somebody at the end of the game
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: posted a video saying, I think it hit one of
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the wires that holds up those cameras. The NFL has
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: cameras basically drones that are not flying on their own,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: they're just connected to some pretty long wires at various
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: points in the stadium, and somebody thought, man, I think
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: that ball hit one of the wires. And initially I
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: was like, dang it, it looks like it did hit
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that wire. But the more I've looked at it, the
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: more I think I don't. I don't think it hit
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: that wire. I think it's just close enough and the
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: video is vague enough that it kind of looks like
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: an optical illusion. I think, unfortunately, he just missed it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I might be on the other side of that. I
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: think it did hit the wire, and I I think
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the refs on the ground didn't see it. And it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it's not one of those plays that's like really ever
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: happened before. It's kind of unprecedented, like, oh no, we've
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: ever had this happen before, So they probably didn't know
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: how to respond even if they did realize what happened.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: And the other thing that I would add to that
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: argument is these international games tend to have fluky things
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: like that happen, Like usually it's has something to do
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: with the field conditions, it does some thing to do with.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm pulling this up not to cut you off
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: from what you're saying, I pulled up video did though,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: so I I I'm seeing a tweet from the tops.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: The problem with this video, though, is I feel like
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: it takes a while for the camera to come up
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and really focus in on the ball.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: But you can see a point, yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: But there's no ball.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: No ball, no ball.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's there now, but it wasn't there a second ago.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And it's after it shows up that it takes that veer.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: And we've seen kicks take like weird angles.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: But I think it hit the wire before the camera
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: got the ball in frame on that particular view, because
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: if you look at other other views, right because right there,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: it's not in frame, right.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Right here, it's right there.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's really blurry.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And this means nothing for people listening right now, and
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: we don't even have this showed up on the screen.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: But if you're interested, there's a tweet from at ten
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: K Underscore Takes ten K Takes. If you know us,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: you probably know them. They tweeted a video at nine
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: forty eight am on October sixth. If you want to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: go check it out for yourself. It's the clearest slow
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: mo video I've seen, and it yes Evan, You're right.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: At one point the ball is higher than the frame,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: so like right here, it's not in the frame, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: that's where I think, Like, but then right here people
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: look lower. The people deserve to see the whole kick,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: from the time it comes off will Record's foot until
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: until it misses the goalpost. Show us the whole thing,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: because we have like eight million cameras around these stadiums.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: But I guess that comes back to my point too. Though,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: of all thirty NFL stadiums in the United States are
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: equipped with this pretty much the same VID equipment, I
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: don't know that the same can be said for these
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: international stadiums, and we.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Saw that with the Ireland game in Dublin. It wasn't
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: necessarily the on field product. But like our favorite radio
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: broadcaster Paul Allen was literally shouldered to shoulder with fans.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: That was his rest box. Like, you cannot sit here
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and tell me that things are the same over there.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: They're not. They are not the same in the UK,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: they are not the same. In Germany. They're not the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: same in Brazil or Mexico City or wherever else the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: NFL chooses to host games. The facilities, the equipment, the
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: standards are not the same. The thirty stadiums that we
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: have here on us soil are designed built for the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: game that we all know and love, and the NFL
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: game specifically, not not even college football or high school football.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: But they are designed for the professional game for us
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: to see all aspects of it. And we've kind of
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: grown accustomed to it, yep, for better or for worse
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: as fans of Like we can go in on a
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Monday morning and see the full what is it like
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: the fifty two cam? It's at all twenty two, all
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: twenty two. That's what I'm thinking of.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Now. I don't I agree with you, but I will
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: say the only reason I'm hesitating is because I'm not
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: sure if I remember this one hundred percent right. I
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: think Tottenham Hotspur Stadium was built in conjunction with the
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: NFL specifically to adhere to the NFL standards of and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: what they need for sitelines and stadium and seat and
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I remember capacity.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm ready to defend myself on not to.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Completely call you out and be like, oh, you're wrong.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I think they did it because of that.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: But I remember complain about Wembley because I think Wembley.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: We know this, right, Wembley was built more as a
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: soccer stadium. Wembley was not built to play American football.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: It was built to play football, right, And you might
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: be right. Tottenham Hotspur may have been designed with some
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: NFL games in mind, but I think it's still important
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to note that it was not built with NFL priority. Sure,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe they considered some things, but perhaps some engineer,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: some architect along the way didn't accommodate for the the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: arc of the field goal kickers fifty plus yard kick
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and didn't get the wires just right for the spider
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: cam that you know, gives that really unique on the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: field perspective that we're so used to getting in the NFL.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Perhaps that's all I'm saying, And I'm not saying that
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: it's absolutely unequivocally true that it hit the wire. I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: think it did, and I think it should have been
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: looked at, and I think will record's too good to
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: miss a fifty one year field goal. That's all I'm saying.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: And I I think if I had to say yes
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: or no, do I think it hit the wire, I'd
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: say probably not. But again since all the videos I've
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: seen haven't been great. And again with on the Skullhops
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Twitter page, we did retweet the video that I think
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: is the clearest picture of the slow mode videos I've
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: seen out there. I just think I gotta think it
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: probably didn't hit it, but again, who knows. I do
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: think if it did hit it, the ball might show
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: some some scuffs or wear and tear, but again, I
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: don't know how that would work either. Either way, I'm
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: really glad that that three point swing didn't end up
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: costing the Vikings the game. It would have been really
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: nice to be able to tie the game there. But
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it's also not like we're wondering if Rekord is on
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: a slump. Like everyone's capable of missing a fifty yard
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: field goal, even if you're you know, Will Record. But
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: we just saw him, you know, a week or two ago.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Is that a franchise Rex ago?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, make it indoors at home. But still it was
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: a sixty two yarder, So I'm not worried about Will
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Will Record. I don't I don't know if it hit
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: that thing. I'm guessing not, But oh well, I'm just
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: glad that we're not sitting here arguing it did hit
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: it and the Vikings lost because of it, because you know,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: worst things have happened to the team.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Let's stay on the special teams thread for just a second.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Ryan Right, seventy seven yard punt. Yeah, best of his career.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked it up. Best of his career.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: It was great.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: It was awesome. And it's not even like it was
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: a Luki one like, yeah, rolled, but even without a
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Viking one of his teammates coming and downing the ball
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: short of the end zone, it still would have stopped
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: short of a touchback. Like, that's how good of a
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: punt it was. I think somebody said he punted it
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: when he was standing on his own ten yard line
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: and it went all the way to like the one
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: or the two, Like that's crazy, Ryan, right. I think
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: last year, the year before last, he was kind of iffy.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: So the Vikings have been bringing in every off season,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: last couple off seasons somebody to compete with him, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: last year he kind of won the job but was
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: still kind of shaky, And this year he's been pretty
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: pretty freaking good.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So yep, he's the guy. Yeah, you don't like to
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: like necessarily brag on your punter a whole lot. You'd
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: rather not see your punter really at all during a game.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: But it's good to know the Vikings have a good
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: guy that can get that ball pinned in the right
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: spot to keep the field position advantage working for your team.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And I like that about that guy.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So real quick to kind of lead into our next
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: couple of talkers unless you had something and I just
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: cut you off for objectively, which we're not objective. We're
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Vikings fans hosting a Vikings podcast for you Evans. As
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: the way things sit right now, do you think the
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Vikings should stick with Carson Wentz or should they immediately
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: insert JJ the second he is healthy enough? What are
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: your thoughts?
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: So I learned this lesson the hard way as a coach,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and I went with the person that I thought should
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: be better instead of the person that was the hot
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: hand in the moment. Okay, and that came back to
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: bite me in the butt. And it's a pretty long story.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: We don't have time to get into it here, but
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it was pretty recently too, and actually it was last year.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: But I made the decision and I did a ton
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: of research. I got like way into the stats of
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: my team, the production of my team. I even got
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: into things like their attendance at practice and stuff like
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: who was more consistent, and I went with one and
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: should have gone with the other. And I can look
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: back on that now and say, well, you know, it
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: is what it is, and it's high school sports, you
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: know whatever. And I don't coach football, so it's not
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: like my sport is like you know, do or direct comparison.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I see what you're saying.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: But I did not go with the hot hand. I
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: did not go with who was performing well at the time,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and I chose the other person and that person didn't perform. Well,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: that's just kind of the fact of the matter. Did
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I hope for better Did I have optimism that that
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be the case?
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Otherwise I wouldn't have made that decision. And there
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: were some other factors that played into that decision. For sure.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just as simple as I just described, and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I can't really get into that here. But I think
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: all of that to say, if I were the coach
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: in this situation, I would continue with the hot hand.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: So you're saying, let me clarify, you're saying that, no,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: matter what happens between now and the training room and
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: the bye week and practice field and everything you're saying
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: until he makes you, the coaches should stick with Carson
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Wentz as the starting quarterback.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: For the Now, let's play out a scenario really quick.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz dealt with an injury in this game against
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the Browns at the end of the first half. Let's
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: say that all is the same except for the fact
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: that JJ McCarthy is healthy and on the bench waiting
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: for an opportunity if he comes in. All Max Brozemer
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: did was come in and kneel the ball, and that
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: was all we saw him do. Right, But let's say
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: he comes in and he actually plays some snaps right,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and he looks good, and he throws a few completions,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: he gets a few first downs. Right, it's not the
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: end of the first half. It's somewhere else in the game.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: You roll with JJ McCarthy if he's the hot hand,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: especially considering that Carson Wentz might be dealing with a
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: left shoulder injury like he was now. I give a
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: ton of credit and a ton of props to Carson
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Wentz for going to the locker room at halftime getting
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the big rap on his and you could see it
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: postgame like he had the full upper chest and left
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: shoulder thing. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, that
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: that's been a thing that's snagged him off and on
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: in his career.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that, But if you know
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: anything about that, you know more than I do. So
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I just don't know.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I'm I could be way off. I don't think it's
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: been a major thing, but I think it's nagged him
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: off and on. But for him to come out and play,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: granted it wasn't his throwing arm, right, it was his
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: opposite arm that was affected. For him to come out
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and play well despite that injury, that's that's pretty awesome, right,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Like the dude's tough as nails, and he wants to
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: play well, and he wants to play well for this team.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: He wants to play well for Kevin O'Connell. I think
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: he wants to continue doing that. I don't think Carson
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Wentz wants to sit on the bench. I don't think
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: anybody that plays that position does.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: No, Absolutely no.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: But I think he's proven more in three games than
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy proved into I don't see why you would
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: just switch gears all of a sudden. I don't really
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: care how high he was drafted. I don't really care
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: that he's supposedly the answer at quarterback long term. I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: don't care if he's the next Patrick Mahomes or the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: next Jalen Hurts or the next whatever. For this Vikings franchise,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you roll with who's hot. You roll with who's gonna
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: win you games, and if you're gonna get all these
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: other guys back, like Cashman and Van Kinkel, and if
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: you can get your offensive line healthy again. I don't know.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I've really tried to hammer my point. I feel like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: you disagree. I want to hear your side of this argument.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I think, as of right now, your argument's good. I'm
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: not disagreeing with anything you said. I just think fundamentally,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: the Vikings have the whole time we've had this podcast,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: the Vikings have been operating a plan, and the plan
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: has been, you know, ride out however much time you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: have left with Kirk Cousins. At some point you got
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: a draft guy who's supposedly pretty good and roll with
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: him and then form him into a franchise quarterback. So far,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: they have done the steps needed to follow that plan.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: And I think until JJ McCarthy proves it to you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: that he's not going to be a franchise quarterback, not
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: just ah, he's not our guy, he's not playing well
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: right now, when he's when it's proven to you that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: he's not the franchise quarterback, because remember you didn't draft
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: him in the third round, Vikings didn't get him, you know,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: in free agency on a prove it deal. The Vikings
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: drafted JJ McCarthy tenth overall, the highest this team has
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: ever drafted a quarterback. So they are betting on not
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: only JJ's ability to become a franchise quarterback, but their
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: ability koc all, the coach's abilities to mold him into that.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: They've already inserted him as QB one this year. And
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: if they were to bench him, to me, as a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: fan somebody that wants to see my team win a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl sometime, if you're benching JJ McCarthy, that tells
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: me it's not just like, oh, take a break. That
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: tells me you overshot, he wasn't ready. You jumped the gun,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: and now you're telling me he's not gonna be a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. So I say, if he's healthy, put him in,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: because you've already made the decision to make him QB one,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: So until he's no longer QB one. If he's healthy,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: you need to have him out there. If he's healthy
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: and not out there, then just get rid of him.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: That's the I mean, what are you doing? Because it
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: should always be about finding the franchise quarterback and if
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: it's if it's not him right now, then move on
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: and let's go.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: It's such an interesting dichotomy that the Vikings are in
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: right now and that these two players are in right
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: now because Carson Wentz was drafted to be that guy too.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And what do the Eels do once they figured out
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: for better or worse injury, you know, performance or whatever.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: It was a big part of it for him.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: But once they figured it out, they moved on. And
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: now they got a quarterback that has started two Super
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Bowls for them. I mean, you just gotta it has
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: to be a business, and it can't be ah. I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: saw him throw really well in the combine and oh
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: he won a championship in college. You have to be
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback in the NFL if you're gonna be
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: QB one outside of injury. What do I get you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: get you're staring.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: At the shoulder.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not staring at your shoulder. I'm I'm just formulating
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: my rebuttal to your response, because what you just said
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: is almost like a perfect argument against starting JJ McCarthy.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways explain because of
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: all of the history that we have to back it up, right, Like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of data to prove that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: just because you draft a guy top ten doesn't mean
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: he's going to turn out. In fact, for every I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: don't know, I'm this is gonna be like a horribly
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: it's not an Agres stat. But for every one quarterback
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: that actually does something who's drafted that high, you've got
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: two or three that end up sure not playing in
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the league two years later. Right, Like the numbers are
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: so lopsided, you don't hit the lottery every single time
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: that you draft a guy in the top ten. It
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. And believe believe you when I say
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not rooting for JJ McCarthy to fail me either.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I don't want that, and I don't want the Vikings
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: to be this laughing stock. I don't want Quacy to
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: be this laughing stock or koc to be the laughing
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: stock of the league. For oh man, you guys overshot
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: on JJ McCarthy. Just because he won a national championship
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's worth anything, right, Like, that's not what
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think the kids dealing with a lot
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: of stuff right now. He just became a father, Let's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: not forget that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: So an NFL quarterback, nobody cares like I'm a father.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Be a father first, Like, yes, in his personal life
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: seems like a great dude. Be a dad, Be a
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: great dad. But also as a Vikings fan, I want
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: him to be the franchise.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Quarter he should be a professional, right, I mean he's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: getting paid a professional salary. Being a professional means you
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: get paid to do your job. That's like, that's that's
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: the definition of being a professional. Right, So he should
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: absolutely do that. But if somebody can do your job
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: better than you, especially in professional sports, they should replace you.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: So right now, you look at the stat sheet, Carson
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Wentz has played better than JJ McCarthy. Now, the sample
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: size really small, is it the most indicative thing? Probably not? Yet,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: could there be this advantage to playing JJ now? And
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: following I don't know if you I'm sure you saw
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Dustin Baker's tweet of this pattern of the Vikings being mid,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: then good, Yeah, mid and good if there there's some
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: virtue in being mid this year so that they can
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: be good or even great or even championship level down
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: the road with JJ okay, I'm here for that. But
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: we've talked to a lot of a lot of this
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: offseason about how this Vikings team has kind of a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: win now roster and they've put a lot of chips
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: in this team. They've kind of gone all in offensive line,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: defensive line kind of has burned them a little bit
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: with all these injuries. It's kind of been an embarrassment
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Bringing home the hometown guy in Adam Thielen,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: keeping the veteran and Harrison Smith, you know, making some
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: of these moves has has been kind of indicative that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Quacy and Kosi think this team can win. Now. You're
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: not gonna win behind red shirt rookie quarterback. I think
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: in my opinion that struggles, especially struggles behind a deteriorating
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: offensive line.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the root of my opinion is in
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: the same space where you're coming from you want the guy,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: whoever it is. You want the guy to come in
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: and win. I do too. I want to avoid the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: vikings prolonging this because if they stay with the hot hand,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: which is not a bad I mean teams win championships
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: off stand with the hot hand like it's a you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: every sport, you got to pick the right roster and
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: start the right guys. You know every sport, every position.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: But if you get to the point where you've put
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: so much of the business side and the operational side
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: and the draft pick equity and everything into one guy
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: and you just kind of hold off, like it's not
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: looking great, so we're gonna oh he hurt his foot,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get the other guy, and he's playing okay,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: we haven't lost a lot, so we're gonna stick with
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the other guy. You need to at some point let
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: your franchise quarterback attempt to be the franchise quarterback, and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: if he sinks, then you cut bait and you move forward.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: If you have a win now roster, you need to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: figure out. The worst thing you can do is and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I want to preface this with saying I want JJ
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: McCarthy to be good. I want to be a fan
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: of his. I want to root for him, and I will,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: and I'll happily say I was wrong when I thought
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: anything bad about him as a quarterback. But I mean,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: if Max Brosmer is the best quarterback on the roster,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: he should be starting, whether or not he was undrafted
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: or the first overall pick. If Carson Wentz is the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: best quarterback, he should be starting, no matter what the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: story is. But the thing is, you did invest the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: tenth overall pick. You orchestrated your plan for multiple years,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: and the worst thing you can do is kind of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: soft bench the guy, kind of let him stay off
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: and start a guy ahead of him, just because maybe
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: next year he'll be better. What would the Colts be
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: doing right now if they didn't move on from Anthony
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Richardson as their starter. They're looking like the team to
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: beat right now, and they're scoring many points. Daniel Jones
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: looks like an MVP type player right now.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Well, right now in the NFL, Kevin O'Connell University looks
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: like the place to beat. Yeah, because Daniel Jones and
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Sam Donald are leading the league in quarterback stats like
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: they are the two arguably two of the best quarterbacks
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: in the league right now, both sad under Kevin O'Connell,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Sam Donald with more of the playing experience, but Daniel
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Jones with basically just like an ability to audit the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: class and just sit there and get all the information
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: without really having to do much.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Yep. And all I'm saying with all that in mind is,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: you won't know if JJ McCarthy is good and is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the next in line of the Sam Donald, the Daniel Jones,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: the former Kirk Cousins. You won't know if JJ McCarthy
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: is good if you don't give him a chance to play.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying commit to him blindly for the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: rest of the year or forever or the next ten games.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: If he has fully healthy, fully healthy offensive line, team
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: is playing great, the defense is holding other teams to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: seventeen points every week. If JJ McCarthy has all that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: and still can't throw, still makes terrible decisions, still looks
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: like the first three quarters against the Bears, then we know,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: and then you can be like, hey, it wasn't good,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: We're gone. Think of the Arizona Cardinals that year that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: they drafted Josh Rosen. I think like ninth, maybe even
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: tenth just like JJ McCarthy. And then the next year
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: they had the first overall pick and they took Kyler Murray.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Who and that was many years ago. Who is their
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: current starting quarterback Kyler Murray. You just got an it
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: should NFL team should be in pursuit of franchise quarterback
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: filling out the rest of the team around them. And
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: you won't know if JJ McCarthy is a franchise quarterback
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: if you keep playing too nice about him. Now, if
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: he really is too injured to put his foot plant
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: his foot down and throw a good ball, then that's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: another thing. If he's too injured, you can't go with him.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: But if everybody's healthy, they've made the commitment already.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gesticulating yes emphatically because something that's interesting to me
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: and could be nothing, but it could be something. And
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know that's really being talked about. The two
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: times that JJ McCarthy has been injured, he's finished the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: game and then we've found out about this injury later.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Right like it happened in preseason last season, he played
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: the game. Now it's preseason. He wasn't going to play
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: the whole thing anyways, And I think somebody else came
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: in after he did, and then you know, we were
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: all like, I think Justin Jefferson was miked up for
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: that game. He's like on the broadcast with Paul Allen.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: We saw all the clips later he's running up and
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: down the sideline like, yeah, it's so good, you know,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: like it was awesome. JJ McCarthy played pretty well for
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: the time he was in and then I don't know,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: hours after the game was over. Oh yeah, he tours
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Meniscus and he's gonna be out for the whole season.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Oh shucks. And then and then he plays this game
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: against the Falcons right and finishes the game. And it's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: not until I don't even think I knew about it
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: till the next day, Like it was it was Monday
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: morning that Oh yeah, JJ McCarthy, man, he sprained his ankle.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be out for a while, probably until after
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: the bye week. Like, okay, why didn't we know about
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: this during the game and the Vikings were getting beat
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: so badly at the end of the game, why didn't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz or Max come in, Like why did you
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: put the guy through everything? All the way through Zero's
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: at the end of the fourth quarter if he was
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: that hurt. So all of that makes me wonder, like,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: is there something else going on? And I've said it
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks now, and I'm Dustin Baker
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: disagrees with me, and I know that it's fine. I'm
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: not saying for sure that it's this soft benching. He
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: didn't play well enough, they're just pretending he has an injury.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that completely, but I'm wondering if there
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: isn't some element of Carson Wentz is just playing better.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: You're not. You did not look good except for one
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: quarter against the Bears. You looked bad for three quarters
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: in that game, and you looked bad for all four
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: quarters against the Falcons.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I will say a couple of things. One, I just
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: don't think the soft benching thing is real. I could
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: see the mindset of like point A to point B
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: figuring out like, Oh, this has to be what's up.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: He's playing bad. He's got so much into him. You
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: can't just wreck his confidence and totally bench him. So
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you're conveniently injured. I think he really
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: what obviously he was. He needed his meniscus repaired last year,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: like he had a season ending injury. I know you're
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: not saying, oh, it's convenient, So they just cut him
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: up for a year and made him sit out. It
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: ended up working out until the last two games because
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald played great until the last two games. And
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I really do think I was starting to sour initially
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: when they said, hey, JJ's ankle is hurt. We saw
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: that play that like he got sacked and his foot
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: was facing the other way from his eyes, Like it
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: didn't look fun. Like initially when he got sacked and fumbled,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: and I don't even know if that's the one that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: caused the injury, but at one point against the Falcons,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: he'd get sacked, fumbled and like I think he let
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: go of the ball because he was in so much
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: pain because his foot was twisted around. I saw that
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, I the next day I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: totally believed it, like, eh, he's got injury. Kevin O'Connell
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: didn't mince words, like he came in and it was
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: way sore. I mean, I feel like most humans have
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: had they've twisted their ankle at some point. You can
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: you can know, like it does swell up in the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: moment he got taped up in so much adrenaline you
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: can finish a game. But then I started to think, like,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: maybe it is kind of a soft benching, like why
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: would you do that? He was looking terrible? But then
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: what turned me on the idea of that, hey, it's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: not a soft benching. On Twitter, there's an account that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: everybody should follow. His name is I don't know his
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: actual name, but on Twitter his handle is at skull
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: doc and it might be skull underscore Doc. But we've
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: been following him for a while and I'm pretty sure
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: he's like an ankle and foot doctor.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I saw this tweet too.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: And he tweeted sometime not even today, but somewhat recently
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: and said like most people haven't treated a high ankle sprain.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: They take a long time to heal back from. And
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: he had no reason to tweet that. I don't think
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: he's been in emphatically blindly following JJ McCarthy. He's a
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Vikings fan. I think he's a JJ fan, but like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: not to the point where it's like I'm gonna say
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: everything I can to make sure I'm not talking bad
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: about him. But when he said that, like obviously he's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: a doctor, and treats these things. He knows more than
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: I do, so I kind of softened on the idea
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: that there's any conspiracy or soft benching. I think it's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: just they're taking it too safe. I think the coaching
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: staff maybe don't love what they're seeing on the field
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: from JJ McCarthy. Maybe they're not benching him, but they're
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: afraid to throw him out there because they know so
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: much rides on him. And I don't want them to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: be afraid anymore. Go with the guy who you think
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: is the guy, and if he's not the guy, be
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: real about it, be like, hey, he's not the guy,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: We're going with the next one.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: First of all, I teach this to my high school kids.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Just because someone says they're a doctor on the internet
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: No I really think is a doctor.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe he is. I would definitely be a little bit
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: skeptical of his professional qualifications. This is a dude we
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: could like be friends with them. You're just going to well,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: hey at schoold Act. If you want to come on
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: the school AP and you want to talk about your credit,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: let's do it. We'll be happy to have you.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I will only ask you about JJ McCarthy's ankle. Maybe
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Evan will try to get you to.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, but I rolled my ankle on Saturday night.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I told you that I couldn't put weight on it
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: on Sunday morning. Today's Monday, and I went back to
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: work and I felt just fine.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: There is no there is a difference between rolling your
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: ankle and getting it rolled up on by a three.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Saying that my injury is the exact same as JJ McCarthy's.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: But we are definitely on opposite sides of this argument.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: That's good. I'm okay.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: This is a fun this is a fun time at
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: the school. Hot because it's not very often that you
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: and I disagree on something so like adamantly. But it's
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: fun because it's generated some good discussion.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: I think that at the end of the day, where
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: our split roads meet is that ultimately we want JJ
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: McCarthy to be good, Yes, agreed, and more importantly, we
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: want the Vikings QB one to be good and for
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: the Vikings to win freaking games and win a Super Bowl.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: However, that hap for the love of all things purple
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: and gold, if.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz leads the Vikings to a super Bowl, I'll
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: get his face tattooed on my butt. I don't care.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: And let's not forget that he started to lead the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Eagles to a Super Bowl before.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: He's not the same guy. Though he holds onto the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: ball too long.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: He's so does JJ McCarthy.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, And I just want to know if JJ's
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: good or not, and then once we know, then we
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: can move forward.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like to put a bow on this. Yes,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: and maybe we need maybe on this, but I feel
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: like you're just trying to protect the psyche of JJ
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: McCarthy a little bit.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's what the coaches are trying to do.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: So they're molding him off a little bit. Maybe throw
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: him out there. If he's healthy, he he's ready.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: We can agree to disagree on that, but I think
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: we agree. We we're biking spans. We want them to win, yes,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm not mad. I will be sitting there mad
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: if Carson Wentz leads the team to the playoffs and
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: wins a bunch of games.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I've been Conversely, I won't be mad if JJ McCarthy
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: does the same. But I just don't see it right now.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: And again, as a coach who has had to make
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: difficult decisions, granted in a much different scenario, different sport,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: and not nearly the same amount of pressure. I made
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: the wrong decision and it came back to bite me
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: in the butt, and it cost me, you know, some
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: trips to a state meet that I could have reversed. Maybe,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: So I get it, and I understand why coaches do
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: the things they do, maybe in a different way than
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: So okay, oh man, that yeah, that one, It was
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: going good and then you just felt it's stung at
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: the end. Man, you're right, I'm not a coach. It's okay.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: You know what. You know what else might sting is
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: if one of us actually not if because we're committing
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: to one of us will spin the wheel of purple punishments. Yes,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: next week, even though the Vikings aren't playing, we're gonna
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: we're gonna turn a new leaf here. We're gonna we're
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: gonna begin a new tradition. On the bye week, we
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: picked a game, Yes, what game is that?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: So we both are making our predictions based off of
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: the Week six NFL game between the Detroit Lions and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday Night Football. We decided
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: to pick a game and then pick each side. I'm predicting.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: What's also fun about this is, as we record right
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: now the point spread, the Chiefs are favored by a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: point and a half. So it's one of the closest
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: games in the league for Week six as things sit
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: right now. Things could change due to injury or practice whatever,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: but best we can right now, it's a really close game.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I'm predicting that the Chiefs are going to beat the Lions,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: and if they do. If the Chiefs do beat the Lions,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: I will not have to spin the wheel, and you
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: will because.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I'm picking the Lions. Okay, and it's not because you're
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: wearing the Lions jersey.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Why do you remind me?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Sorry to remind you of turn my stomach. Partially, I'm
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: picking the Lions because we had to pick different things
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: where I felt like that would make it more interesting. Also,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know the Chiefs have struggled this year. Absolutely,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are the Chiefs winning right now?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Did they beat the Jaguars? I don't even know. I
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: should look quick.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's even over with yet.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: It's almost over. The Chiefs are up twenty eight to
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: twenty four, and I should win in Fantasy Battle. Patrick
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Mahomes played well enough to get me the points I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: needed there. But the Chiefs don't look great. They have
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: some good players, but they don't have the same weapons
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: that they've typically had.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: On Twitter, right now, somebody caught Trevor Lawrence on the
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: sideline picking his nose a little bit, So that's that's what's.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Star Well anyways, I don't know. I like Detroit. I
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: think they've got a little bit of a fire in them.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: You like Detroit, I don't like Wow.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I don't like them, but I like them to win
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: that game.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: All right, Sure, okay.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: One of us will be right, one of us will
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: be wrong. Whoever's wrong, we'll spin the wheel of Purple punishments.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Even though the Vikings didn't play new Wrinkle in the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Purple Punishments, So from here on out we will do
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: a Vikings by week purple punishment. I think that would
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: even stay true. Would we even do that.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: If the Vikings ever had the bye week in the playoffs?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: I think we would, But who knows, that may never
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: come up.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: So maybe I'll get these Carolina Reaper extreme diamonds or
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the sardine.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you'll have to eat the mustard sauce. Sardines
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: gross huge to my mouth.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Something that's not disgusting. What do you think of this beer?
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: The beer was great. In fact, it's almost gone. I'm
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: trying to save the last little bit me too.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: You saved a little bit more than I have, but.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: It's so good. I want more. I wish we had
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: twice the amount. It was only what five point two percent?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah bad five point two percent? Really good beer from
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: twin Span. I'll find this one again.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: It wasn't hard to find. I think it's relatively new,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: obviously a seasonal one.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, good beer for sure.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you twin Span. Same, I agree. It was delicious.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: I had to fight myself to leave this last little
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: sip for the end of the episode. I'd love to
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: try this one on tap, And it's pretty close, so
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: it's not outside of the realmal possibility that I'll be
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: able to go there and try this on time.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, but this was maybe the best episode.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe. I love arguing with you.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: If you're right school at school, the gated at