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Decoding Scott Boras' comments + HOF debates · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren Steckley,
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Speaker 1: and with me are a couple of guys that when
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Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali met him, he said, y'all the greatest. Cody
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Speaker 1: staven Hagen, Austin Jackson. What's up, fellas? How are we doing?
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Speaker 2: Good as always, baby, good as always?
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Speaker 3: It's all good here.
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Speaker 4: At the time we're recording this, nineteen days until spring training.
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Speaker 4: At the time you guys are listening to it, eighteen
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Speaker 4: days until spring training, we've been saying, it sneaks up
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Speaker 4: on you, man, It's almost here.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: You get your flights booked and your tickets ready, and
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Speaker 1: you go down to Lakeland and see the number one
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Speaker 1: story in baseball, which continues to progress a little bit
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Speaker 1: and still like not really but like, but that is
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Speaker 1: Tarrek School and the Tigers and in an arbitration stand off,
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Speaker 1: and we do have a another example of what what
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Speaker 1: I would call and I don't mean this in a like,
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Speaker 1: you know, mean way or disrespectful way, but a posturing
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Speaker 1: element to this and this, you know, negotiating in the
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Speaker 1: public eye and that is Scott Boris comes out and
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Speaker 1: says on the record that, hey, we are willing to negotiate,
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Speaker 1: like we are you know that, like we are still
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Speaker 1: open for business. And it's one of those things that
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Speaker 1: makes a headline. It's not necessarily news, but it but
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Speaker 1: it gets the traction for the day. And that is
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Speaker 1: our latest Terek Schoogle update is that, Hey, the numbers
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Speaker 1: are the numbers. The distance is the distance. But we're
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Speaker 1: willing to talk. Now, We're willing to talk. They got
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Speaker 1: their best, they got their own interest. Uh out there
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Speaker 1: in the public eye, Cody, what's your reaction to this
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Speaker 1: latest news, non news update, non update.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this, Hey, this stuff gets messy, all right. We
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Speaker 4: had seen some media coverage and the Tigers putting kind
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Speaker 4: of their side of the story out there that there
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Speaker 4: wasn't a lot of negotiation, right. I think we had
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Speaker 4: said that and vibes I had had talking to people.
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Speaker 4: They're probably I didn't get the sense there was gonna
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Speaker 4: be a lot of negotiation. I'm walking out of the
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Speaker 4: gym on Saturday and I'm like out of breath.
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Speaker 3: You know, the phone lights up, its Scott Boris. Now,
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna share.
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Speaker 4: All that because it wasn't said with the intention of
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Speaker 4: being public, but a lot of it ended up becoming
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Speaker 4: public anyway, including the part that Scott Bors is open
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Speaker 4: to negotiation, which again I think the like saying that
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Speaker 4: is one thing, what does it actually mean probably a
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Speaker 4: little bit of another one Like I would say, of
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Speaker 4: course he's open to negotiation.
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Speaker 3: He's an agent.
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Speaker 4: His whole job is negotiating. There's a lot going on,
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Speaker 4: and it seemed like just kind of trying to correct
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Speaker 4: the idea in the public sphere that the Tigers offered
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Speaker 4: something and they didn't hear back or got a hard No.
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Speaker 4: I don't think that's exactly how it happened. I think
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Speaker 4: there was probably a little gray to the old saying
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Speaker 4: like there's his side, there's her side, and there's the truth.
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Speaker 4: I think how these negotiations actually went down probably somewhere
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Speaker 4: a little in the middle, but clearly whatever conversations that
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Speaker 4: were had weren't very productive. This is boris just operating
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Speaker 4: on his principle that he is always going to listen.
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Speaker 4: The Tigers are a file and trial teams, so in
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Speaker 4: theory they are not willing to listen or go back.
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Speaker 4: Regarding a one year deal.
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Speaker 3: But as we've talked about before, they've made.
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Speaker 4: An exception on this before. They just negotiate a kind
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Speaker 4: of a fake multi year deal. So if they wanted
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Speaker 4: to negotiate, they can negotiate a one year deal with
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Speaker 4: a player option that Trek Scuble would almost certainly decline
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Speaker 4: and then not have.
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Speaker 3: To say, oh, we're file and trial. Now.
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Speaker 4: I still don't know what's gonna happen here. There's a
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Speaker 4: large gulf between these two sides. I maintain it's probably
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Speaker 4: gonna be better, more productive, more mature for everyone to
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Speaker 4: negotiate subtle out of number somewhere between nineteen and thirty
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Speaker 4: two million. But at this point I still don't necessarily
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Speaker 4: think that's gonna happen. Just because Scott Boris went on
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Speaker 4: the record and said there's no deadline.
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Speaker 1: This is where I would add, yeah, go ahead, Austin.
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Speaker 5: No, I'm I hear you. You know, I feel like
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Speaker 5: because I've been in the situation. You know, the teams
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Speaker 5: when they when they say at number, a lot of
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Speaker 5: the times they are they're set in stone with that number.
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Speaker 5: There's a little bit of wiggle room, right, But most
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Speaker 5: of the time, you know, the teams have they these
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Speaker 5: teams have an ego and when they they set a number,
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Speaker 5: they're they're serious about it, and they're like, this is
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Speaker 5: what we see it as, and this is what we're
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Speaker 5: gonna stick with it as.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 5: I was actually a Boris client at one point, so
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Speaker 5: I know how he operates in Hey, he's gonna do
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Speaker 5: what's best for his client. He's gonna try to get
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Speaker 5: the most for his client. So how much are they
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Speaker 5: willing to wiggle? Maybe not as much as as we're thinking.
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Speaker 5: And the same with the Tigers. I don't think that
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Speaker 5: they're gonna wiggle that much either. I mean, I remember,
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Speaker 5: it's not like this is He's you know, they're they're
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Speaker 5: kind of in a dispute over a couple hundred thousand,
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Speaker 5: right Like, that's what I'm arguing over.
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Speaker 2: I'm arguing over a couple let me get an extra
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Speaker 2: ten thousand on it.
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Speaker 5: And we talked about some millions here, So that just
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Speaker 5: goes to show you how far they are. I would
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Speaker 5: like to see them obviously come to integrance, but it's
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Speaker 5: gonna be tough because they're so far apart. And you know,
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Speaker 5: Tyrek is he's trying to maximize his value right.
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Speaker 1: Now, we'll get to the point where it's like distraction material.
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Speaker 1: You talked about how close that we're you know, we're
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Speaker 1: getting to spring training and you know this kind of
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Speaker 1: stuff is it's productive from the Bors side, I get it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not like, you know, being critical there, but just
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Speaker 1: the general notion if you're looking at from the team perspective,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily the team personnel perspective, but the team perspective,
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Speaker 1: it is like getting now we're getting into real distraction
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Speaker 1: territory because it's bleeding into you know, people's descending on
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Speaker 1: to Lakeland.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the negotiation stuff again, like it's sure they're
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Speaker 4: open if the Tigers offer thirty one point nine, they
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Speaker 4: might be open to that is Scott Boris is gonna
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Speaker 4: be open to twenty one?
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Speaker 3: Probably not?
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Speaker 4: And we know the Tigers they offered nineteen point eight
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Speaker 4: before filing at nineteen. They were, according to what I've heard,
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Speaker 4: willing to go higher somewhere into the twenties. How far
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Speaker 4: into the twenties nobody knows. So again like maybe they
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Speaker 4: should talk it out and settle at twenty four to
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Speaker 4: twenty five, twenty six something like that, But like I
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Speaker 4: don't know when you reach the point of filing these numbers.
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Speaker 4: When you reach the public spectacle, there's still the idea
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Speaker 4: that this could be setting a larger precedent for the
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Speaker 4: whole sport, for the whole arbitration system. We're gonna see.
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Speaker 4: I don't think Scott Boris is going to lower his
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Speaker 4: price significantly.
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Speaker 3: I'll just put it that way.
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Speaker 1: Something that will probably never know the answer to. But
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Speaker 1: I'll be curious and if we ever do you know
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Speaker 1: the answer it will be in a year or years
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Speaker 1: from now. Is how much will we talk about I
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Speaker 1: mentioned distractions like for the team. I do wonder how
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Speaker 1: much of this is a distraction for the front office
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Speaker 1: where it's like they got they're obviously like grinding out
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Speaker 1: trying to you know, round up the roster, figure out
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Speaker 1: how this team is going to take shape, and and
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Speaker 1: now you like, how much of this is taking away
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Speaker 1: from those efforts as opposed to if they had, you know,
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Speaker 1: come to some sort of agreement or were able to negotiate.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say, in you know, not bad faith,
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Speaker 1: but you know, in good faith that they could actually
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Speaker 1: like come to some sort of agreement like something will
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Speaker 1: probably never know if.
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Speaker 4: You're not negotiating I guess it's not taking up too
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Speaker 4: much of your time. I guess you got to prepare
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Speaker 4: your your arbitration argument and presentation.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, you can put.
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Speaker 4: That off until like midnight the night before, right, Treat
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Speaker 4: it like a college exam.
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Speaker 1: Been there, All right, Let's let's get to another little
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Speaker 1: piece of Tigers news. This one you know, in the
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Speaker 1: minor league system. Baseball America has put out their their
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Speaker 1: top one hundred and and no surprise, the Tigers at
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Speaker 1: the Tigers Marquee prospects are in the top one hundred
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Speaker 1: and If you're watching with us on YouTube, you can
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Speaker 1: see see a graphic here. Kevin McGonagall number two overall
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Speaker 1: prospect acording to Baseball America, Max Clark number six. Again,
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Speaker 1: we don't talk about Max Clark as much, but Max
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Speaker 1: Clark number six, Bryce Rainer someone who could be a
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Speaker 1: high riser with a healthy season, and Josue Brosino at
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Speaker 1: number seventy six as the Tigers, you know, kind of
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Speaker 1: get him, try to get him to round into form
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Speaker 1: as a catcher and continue the trajectory with the bat.
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Speaker 2: There.
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Speaker 1: So, Cody, your thoughts on these guys' placements in the
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Speaker 1: Baseball America top one hundred.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's all pretty much to be expected.
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Speaker 4: I don't know that I have the reaction other than
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Speaker 4: I think Bryce Rayner could be a lot higher on
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Speaker 4: that list, like you said, granted that he given that
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Speaker 4: he has a healthy season, because he is really good. Otherwise,
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Speaker 4: of note is just the guys who you know dropped
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Speaker 4: off or didn't make the list. Tyron Loronzo, who did
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Speaker 4: not have a very good year in Double A. He'll
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Speaker 4: be kind of trying to play his way back on that.
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Speaker 3: List this year.
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Speaker 4: How you Lee not on the top one hundred, but
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Speaker 4: a guy the Tigers really like, probably a guy that's
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Speaker 4: somewhere in the top one fifty to one to twenty five.
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Speaker 4: But Baseball America tends to be pretty good. Man, prospect
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Speaker 4: lists are always imperfect.
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Speaker 3: You never quite know.
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Speaker 4: But mcgonagal number two, right behind Connor Griffin. That that
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Speaker 4: makes sense to me. Max Clark number six, I mean
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Speaker 4: that tells you we've there's been I think some debate
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Speaker 4: recently on like how high is the Max Clark ceiling.
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Speaker 4: Really number six on that list is kind of a
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Speaker 4: reminder like it could still be pretty high.
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Speaker 3: So we'll see.
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Speaker 4: Rankings don't matter a ton, But we're going to get
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Speaker 4: to spring training, get to watch these guys play a
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Speaker 4: little bit more, get to see him at higher levels
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Speaker 4: this year, and I think that'll be fun.
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Speaker 1: I will also point out that, you know, we talked
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Speaker 1: last time about the Tigers love up the middle athletes.
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Speaker 1: Everyone on those lists, on that list that if you
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Speaker 1: believe Rasinio can stick a catcher a up the middle athletes.
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Speaker 1: Speaking about the middle athletes, I tried my best, Austin
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Speaker 1: to look up where you were in two thousand and
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Speaker 1: nine on one of these lists. You know, I couldn't find,
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Speaker 1: but I I couldn't find the Official Baseball America list,
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Speaker 1: but I think I got an aggregate virgin and Austin,
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Speaker 1: you were in two thousand and nine, number forty six
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Speaker 1: on this list amongst some good company, you know, among
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Speaker 1: some good company. If you go up and down, a
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Speaker 1: lot of these guys became you know, good players, superstars,
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Speaker 1: and so Austin at number forty six when you were playing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is I'm not trying to age you
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Speaker 1: or anything, but it's obviously not the digital age that
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Speaker 1: it is now. You know what I mean? Like, were
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Speaker 1: you like aware of like prospectings and like, you know
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Speaker 1: how like the kind of like the outside noise like
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Speaker 1: viewed you before you, you know, ascended into major league status.
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Speaker 1: Was that ever on your mind? People tell you sure?
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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's it's right there in front
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Speaker 5: of you. It's it's kind of hard to miss. And
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Speaker 5: and I mean it's pretty cool to be a part
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Speaker 5: of something like that, Like you want to be ranked
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Speaker 5: amongst your peers. H. I mean, it's kind of more
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Speaker 5: of just kind of bragging rights more than anything. Like
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Speaker 5: you said, rankings don't mean anything. Once you get out
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Speaker 5: there and those lights come on. I can assure you
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Speaker 5: that the guys that are drafted, the lat that in
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Speaker 5: the last round will go out there and give you
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Speaker 5: the business because they're hungry. So no, those are things
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Speaker 5: that you you don't really like. I said, it's there.
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Speaker 5: You think about it, but you know that there's there's
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Speaker 5: always somebody coming after you, and there's the younger guys
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Speaker 5: coming up, you know, up under you that are trying to.
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Speaker 2: Take this spot.
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Speaker 5: So you don't you don't put too much into it,
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Speaker 5: Like you said, rankings are it's it's fun, it's fun
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Speaker 5: to look at, but it all matters when you get
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Speaker 5: out there in between those lines.
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Speaker 4: Do you do you think the pressure is different for
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Speaker 4: young guys today because those rankings are in front of
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Speaker 4: your face all the time. They're on social media all
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Speaker 4: the time, you're tagged and stuff, your family sending it
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Speaker 4: to you. Like, I think it fatigues guys nowadays to
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Speaker 4: constantly hear all this is their ranking whatever. And I
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Speaker 4: had a former player told me once, like back in
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Speaker 4: the day before the internet Baseball America came out, you're
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Speaker 4: in the double A, Triple A clubhouse, you're grabbing that baby,
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Speaker 4: flipping it seeing if your name's in there. You know
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Speaker 4: that came with some pressure too, but I think it's
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Speaker 4: it's amplified.
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Speaker 5: You know, it definitely is amplified because you can now,
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Speaker 5: like you said, we're in the digital era now where
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Speaker 5: you can get on a computer and you can look
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Speaker 5: that up right away. If you don't have access to
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Speaker 5: a Baseball of America, then you would never know those
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Speaker 5: type of things, Like you, only people that know that
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Speaker 5: is the people in the clubhouse and possibly you know
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Speaker 5: some other players you're playing against. But now everybody can
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Speaker 5: see it. The world can see it, So there's that
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Speaker 5: added pressure that I think that does fatigue guys a
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Speaker 5: little bit. Like listen, I just want to get out
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Speaker 5: here and play. I'm trying to make this my livelihood,
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Speaker 5: my career, and I love this game. So you know,
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Speaker 5: all the outside distractions of the of the rankings and
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Speaker 5: things like that, yeah, I can get a little bit,
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Speaker 5: you can get a little bit tiresome at times, you know,
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Speaker 5: just to keep hearing that, and then there's the expectations
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Speaker 5: that come with that. In the mind leagues, you're you're
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Speaker 5: doing a lot of development, you know, developing your skills,
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Speaker 5: developing your craft. And if you're ranked if you're one
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Speaker 5: of those guys that are ranked high up in there,
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Speaker 5: that's obviously a great accomplishment to have, and that's something
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Speaker 5: that you want to have. But there's a lot of
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Speaker 5: expectations that come with being ranked up there, you know,
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Speaker 5: top ten, top twenty that you know, if you don't,
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Speaker 5: you know, reach those expectations, then you consider the bust
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Speaker 5: and it's like, dude, I'm still just developing.
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Speaker 2: I'm learning my swing, I'm learning my.
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Speaker 5: New pitches, so that those rankings, honestly, like you said, Kirian,
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Speaker 5: they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, because
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Speaker 5: there's been so many guys that haven't even cracked that
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Speaker 5: list that have become on to have successful careers in
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Speaker 5: the big league.
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Speaker 1: Austin is your is your son ranked?
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Speaker 2: Yet he is not ranked.
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Speaker 5: He's not ranked, you know, And I don't even think
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Speaker 5: I want to even get him in all of that
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Speaker 5: when that happens, because I want to keep him just
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Speaker 5: level headed and just like, hey, man, focus on the game,
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Speaker 5: don't worry about all that. But you know, as as
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Speaker 5: we both know, all three of us know, that's that's
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Speaker 5: going to be almost impossible in this day and age.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see, we'll be following along. Uh,
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Speaker 1: let's uh, let let's get to the so, you know,
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Speaker 1: the prospect rankings cool technically meaningless. The thing that is
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Speaker 1: the ultimate meaning is the Hall of Fame like that
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Speaker 1: that that that does mean something now and uh and.
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Speaker 3: We got we got.
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Speaker 1: Our our new Cooperstown residents announced yesterday or Tuesday, depending
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Speaker 1: on when you're listening to this, And that would be
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Speaker 1: one Carlos Beltran and that would be one on Drew Jones. So, uh,
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Speaker 1: first off, like Cody grew up, I'm sure you know
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Speaker 1: longtime listeners know this Cody grew up a and I
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Speaker 1: believe I'm using your phrase here, Cody. I so I'm
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Speaker 1: not trying to be critical a TBS Braves fan. I
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Speaker 1: believe it's not you, Okay, Okay, not trying to be
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Speaker 1: not trying to accuse you of anything or but a
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Speaker 1: TBS brace fan, which, by the way, was the whole
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Speaker 1: point of them being on TBS. So shout out to
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Speaker 1: Ted Turner. Uh so, you watched a lot of and
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Speaker 1: Andrew Jones like growing up. So I imagine that you
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Speaker 1: you've been able to reflect on like your journey as
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Speaker 1: a baseball fan and seeing him, you know, get to
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Speaker 1: this step and by the way, like almost at the
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Speaker 1: end here in terms of when he was going to
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Speaker 1: be on you know, the you know, the traditional ballot trajectory.
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Speaker 1: In his ninth year, he gets seventy eight zero point
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Speaker 1: four percent of the vote. So your reaction to I mean,
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Speaker 1: Beltron two, but your reaction to Andrew Jones finally getting
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Speaker 1: the Corristown knock.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely cool to see him get his due.
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Speaker 4: Like you said, a guy I've watched followed my my
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Speaker 4: whole for a long time.
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Speaker 3: Didn't really think he was going to be a Hall
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Speaker 3: of Famer.
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Speaker 4: He was certainly Hall of Fame worthy at his very peak,
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Speaker 4: but it was, you know, kind of a short lived peak.
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Speaker 4: He didn't play past thirty five. He didn't really play
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Speaker 4: at a high level past about thirty. But for a
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Speaker 4: while there he was the best center fielder in the game,
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Speaker 4: one of the greatest defensive center fielders of all time.
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Speaker 4: Dude could hit the ball. He was a ton of
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Speaker 4: fun to watch. You know, as a young baseball fan,
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Speaker 4: he's the guy you're kind of imitating in your yard.
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Speaker 4: You know, my favorite player was Chipper, But when you're
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Speaker 4: making the diving catches in the yard, you're pretending you're
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Speaker 4: Andrew Jones. So I think it's cool to see him
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Speaker 4: get his due, really rise up the ranks and has
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Speaker 4: a great Hall of Fame resume. Overall eleventh all time
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Speaker 4: in center among center fielders in the Jaws, score sixty
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Speaker 4: two career wins above replacement, four hundred and thirty four
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Speaker 4: home runs, which.
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Speaker 3: Is a lot.
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Speaker 4: When you say it out loud, it's like, wow, he
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Speaker 4: had that many with that short of a peak. So yeah,
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Speaker 4: terrific career. I'm happy for him.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: The thing about the Hall of Fame is is that
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Speaker 1: it like every single vote sets a precedent for like
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Speaker 1: how things will be viewed moving forward. And and and
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Speaker 1: and I think that that it kind of makes the
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, even though it's like a museum and
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Speaker 1: it's a shrine, in a way, it does kind of
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Speaker 1: make it like a living thing, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: And so one of the one of the reactions, and
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Speaker 1: and uh A. J. Prazinski said it on the on
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Speaker 1: Our General Foul Territory Show is that, look, if Andrew
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Speaker 1: Jones is a Hall of Famer, we gotta look a
17:39
Speaker 1: lot more closely at Tory Hunter. So I'm just gonna
17:43
Speaker 1: read off some stats comparing the two, and then we'll
17:46
Speaker 1: get we'll get Austin's perspective on this, having obviously played
17:49
Speaker 1: with Tory so Andrew Jones. These are just counting numbers,
17:54
Speaker 1: But Andrew Jones two fifty four hitter Hunter to seventy
17:58
Speaker 1: seven four hundred and thirty four home runs for Jones,
18:02
Speaker 1: three fifty three for Tory Hunter, base hits one nine
18:08
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three for Andrew Jones two four hundred
18:12
Speaker 1: and fifty two for Tory Hunter, same amount of All
18:16
Speaker 1: Star games five each. Jones had ten gold gloves. Tory
18:20
Speaker 1: Hunter only had nine, so there's a gap there. Jones
18:25
Speaker 1: was a silver slugger one time. Tory Hunter was a
18:27
Speaker 1: silver slugger twice. And then the war you mentioned the
18:30
Speaker 1: war code, he sixty two point seven for Jones. Hunter
18:34
Speaker 1: comes in at fifty point six, So maybe not necessarily
18:41
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? Is he a Hall of Famer
18:43
Speaker 1: aspect of this, Austin? But as somebody who played center
18:47
Speaker 1: field and you know, obviously played it at a high
18:49
Speaker 1: level two and then played with Tory Hunter, can you
18:55
Speaker 1: quantify just like how you know how grave a player
18:59
Speaker 1: he was in general, even to maybe take the Hall
19:01
Speaker 1: of Fame piece out of this, Like you know, Tory Hunter,
19:03
Speaker 1: Tory Hunter's baseball player, what kind of comes to mind?
19:08
Speaker 2: Leader? Leader?
19:11
Speaker 5: I think in every clubhouse that he played in, he
19:15
Speaker 5: I think any any player, any if his teammates would
19:18
Speaker 5: tell you, uh, he's the leader of the clubhouse, if
19:21
Speaker 5: if not the only leader.
19:23
Speaker 2: He was a guy that.
19:24
Speaker 5: Could make people players his teammates around him better, and
19:29
Speaker 5: that's just really hard to do in a game like baseball,
19:31
Speaker 5: where you're really you're doing a lot of things by yourself.
19:35
Speaker 5: He was able when I when I was able to
19:37
Speaker 5: play with Toy the the way that and just take
19:41
Speaker 5: the baseball and his performance side away from it for
19:44
Speaker 5: just a second.
19:45
Speaker 2: The way that he was able to rally.
19:47
Speaker 5: A clubhouse in tough times, to me is like a
19:51
Speaker 5: definition of of who he who he was. He was
19:55
Speaker 5: able to, uh, you know, listen to you know, your
20:00
Speaker 5: the problems that you were having from from a baseball standpoint,
20:03
Speaker 5: from from a life standpoint.
20:05
Speaker 2: And he did that with everybody.
20:07
Speaker 5: He did that with the coaches, he did that with
20:09
Speaker 5: the front office, like he knew everybody's name.
20:12
Speaker 2: He was just he was that guy.
20:14
Speaker 5: He was the ultimate teammate leader that I you know,
20:18
Speaker 5: I wish that a lot of guys would have. I'm
20:20
Speaker 5: sure a lot of guys got to play with the
20:22
Speaker 5: guy like Tory, but this guy was he was.
20:25
Speaker 2: He was one of the best to ever do it.
20:27
Speaker 2: And the only thing when I look at.
20:30
Speaker 5: You know, maybe what keeps people maybe from thinking is
20:35
Speaker 5: from him being a Hall of Famers, maybe his war
20:38
Speaker 5: because I think that you know, a lot of the
20:42
Speaker 5: Hall of Famers they're more up in the sixty war range,
20:45
Speaker 5: and so there's that gap and Tory's career. I don't
20:49
Speaker 5: know if you can find another career that has just
20:51
Speaker 5: been more solid across the board, you know, just from
20:55
Speaker 5: every team that he played on, you know, even him
20:58
Speaker 5: moving the right field, his numbers never really dipped. He
21:01
Speaker 5: really stayed pretty consistent in his whole career and had
21:04
Speaker 5: a very long career and his peak years I think
21:08
Speaker 5: are Hall of Fame worthy when we when you just
21:10
Speaker 5: read those stats right there, I'm just like, all of
21:13
Speaker 5: that sounds like a player that should be in the
21:16
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. If we're if we're only looking at
21:18
Speaker 5: the war. Okay, maybe whatever that, whatever that might mean,
21:22
Speaker 5: if you don't want to vote for him from that,
21:24
Speaker 5: but for everything else, from.
21:25
Speaker 2: A stistic from a statistical.
21:27
Speaker 5: Standpoint, I feel like he should be in the Hall
21:31
Speaker 5: of Fame from that standpoint. And I'm a little biased
21:34
Speaker 5: because I played with him and I know what type
21:36
Speaker 5: of player, kind of person he was, and as we
21:39
Speaker 5: spoke about earlier, that has a lot to do with
21:42
Speaker 5: getting to the Hall of Fame and a good person,
21:45
Speaker 5: and that is a that is a great dude.
21:48
Speaker 2: He's a great mentor.
21:49
Speaker 5: He's a great role model for the game of baseball
21:52
Speaker 5: for a lot of African American kids to look up
21:55
Speaker 5: to to see Tory Hunter. I mean, he goes into,
21:58
Speaker 5: you know, some of the toughest parts of the natyhborhood,
22:00
Speaker 5: and you know, he's given speeches, he's getting more people
22:03
Speaker 5: involved in the game that look like him. So that alone,
22:07
Speaker 5: right there, you add all that up, that's Hall of
22:10
Speaker 5: Fame worthy in my eyes, in my book.
22:12
Speaker 1: So so the War thing, Now, I know a lot
22:15
Speaker 1: of people don't like war. It's obviously not a perfect
22:19
Speaker 1: stat but I'm just gonna again, things are precedents, So
22:21
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna rate off some names. So I said,
22:24
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, fifty point six war for Tory Hunter,
22:27
Speaker 1: he is just a hair behind fellow Minnesota Twins legend
22:32
Speaker 1: Kirby Puckett, who finished his career with fifty one point one.
22:36
Speaker 1: All right, and then I'm gonna list guys that are
22:38
Speaker 1: lower in the Hall of Fame than Tory Hunter, Ted Simmons,
22:42
Speaker 1: Orlando Sepaida, Mickey Cochrane, Felix Hernandez. I know he's not
22:46
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, but like that's a lot
22:47
Speaker 1: of momentum like moving forward with whether he'll get in.
22:51
Speaker 1: Nellie Fox, I mean, Sandy Kofax I was a peak guy,
22:54
Speaker 1: not a long guy. But you know, again, war is war,
22:57
Speaker 1: Bob Lemon, I know, these are pictures Ralph Kiner, you know,
23:01
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's plenty of Jim Rice, who I
23:05
Speaker 1: actually do think is kind of underappreciated historically. But you
23:09
Speaker 1: look at the forty seven point seven, like that is
23:11
Speaker 1: lower than Tory Hunter, you know. So yeah, there's there's
23:15
Speaker 1: plenty of guys below here that are in the Hall
23:17
Speaker 1: of Fame that you know, and just by that metric
23:21
Speaker 1: had less valuable careers than Tory Hunter. So I mentioned
23:25
Speaker 1: those not to bring those guys down, but to say,
23:27
Speaker 1: like there is somewhat of a precedent for his number,
23:30
Speaker 1: And then you think about where he stood amongst his peers,
23:32
Speaker 1: which I think is also very important. And I do
23:35
Speaker 1: think a I do think a long record in general,
23:38
Speaker 1: I feel about it this way. For old Hall of Fames.
23:40
Speaker 1: I think a long general record of steady and high
23:44
Speaker 1: end play should be rewarded, just as I believe like
23:47
Speaker 1: a short peak should be rewarded. So like the Sandy
23:51
Speaker 1: cofaxes that Terrell Davis's I think Frank Gore should be
23:54
Speaker 1: awarded to and so like the Tory Hunter aspect falls
23:57
Speaker 1: into that category for me. So Ustin and I gave
24:00
Speaker 1: our perspectives. Cody, what do you kind of where do
24:02
Speaker 1: you land on this, this this Hunter discussion.
24:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's hard to say, Like the war is
24:08
Speaker 3: a little bit low for me.
24:10
Speaker 4: He was obviously a great player and exciting player, much
24:12
Speaker 4: like Andrew Jones. I don't think he had that the
24:15
Speaker 4: Andrew had a few seasons where he was one of
24:17
Speaker 4: the top hitters in the game. I don't think Tory
24:20
Speaker 4: offensively quite measured up to that, even though career ops
24:26
Speaker 4: plus Andrew Jones one eleven Tory Hunter, I think one ten,
24:30
Speaker 4: which is which is kind of crazy. So I think Andrews,
24:34
Speaker 4: you know, offensive peak was a little better like the
24:36
Speaker 4: fifty war. That's that's tough for me to get there.
24:39
Speaker 4: But then it's like, I wanted to talk to you
24:42
Speaker 4: about this, Austin, because this is the most interesting thing
24:45
Speaker 4: baseball wise. I read all week story from my my
24:48
Speaker 4: friend Shad Jennings. Only two center fielders since the debut
24:54
Speaker 4: of Willie Mays have made the Hall of Fame or
24:57
Speaker 4: have debuted since Willie Mays. That is King Griffy Junior
25:01
Speaker 4: and Kirby Puckett. That just changed with Andrew Jones getting in,
25:06
Speaker 4: with Carlos Beltron getting in, But for a long time,
25:08
Speaker 4: center fielders have not really got their due, have kind
25:12
Speaker 4: of been kept out of the Hall of Fame. You
25:15
Speaker 4: guys should read Chad's story on the Athletic for a
25:17
Speaker 4: lot more. It talks about some of the reasons why,
25:20
Speaker 4: including just how taxing that position is on the body.
25:23
Speaker 4: I think Tory Hunter raised that point in the story.
25:26
Speaker 4: But Jim Edmonds, you know, is kind of one of
25:29
Speaker 4: the only real contenders for a long stretch of years
25:32
Speaker 4: and he hasn't got in. He has an interesting case
25:35
Speaker 4: as well. Mike Trout is probably going to get in
25:40
Speaker 4: there one day, but you know, he's already been moved
25:42
Speaker 4: off of center field as a lot of other players have.
25:44
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know like it does.
25:48
Speaker 4: Does that surprise you, Austin, that there's actually so few
25:50
Speaker 4: center fielders reaching the Hall of Fame over the past
25:54
Speaker 4: several decades.
25:56
Speaker 5: Yes, And though I think that bar is set really high,
26:01
Speaker 5: you know it's really high when you start talking about
26:03
Speaker 5: guys like Willie Mays and King Griffrey Junior and Mike Trout.
26:08
Speaker 5: Where where does everybody fall up under that you know,
26:11
Speaker 5: these guys are the elite of the elite, and they're
26:15
Speaker 5: they're they're on a they're on a planet of their own,
26:17
Speaker 5: you know. And so if that's the if that's the standard,
26:21
Speaker 5: the bar that's set for Hall of Famers, there's gonna
26:24
Speaker 5: be a lot that falls short. And that's kind of
26:28
Speaker 5: where a guy like Tory Hunter that we're talking about is, like, dude,
26:31
Speaker 5: this dude had an amazing career, like everybody would take
26:35
Speaker 5: that career, and he's still not considered Hall of Fame worthy.
26:40
Speaker 5: So I am a little bit surprised in that sense
26:43
Speaker 5: because if we're just looking at the most elite of
26:48
Speaker 5: the elite, and I would still say Tory Hunter was
26:51
Speaker 5: elite like he was, he was he was better than
26:56
Speaker 5: pretty good, you know, he's he's teeter tighten on elite
27:00
Speaker 5: and really freaking good.
27:01
Speaker 2: Like.
27:01
Speaker 5: So that's where that's what kind of kind of kind
27:04
Speaker 5: of surprises me of like where where is the bar?
27:07
Speaker 5: At is the bar so high that a guy like
27:10
Speaker 5: Tory Hunter can't get in, then nobody's gonna get in,
27:13
Speaker 5: you know. If that's the case, if those numbers aren't
27:16
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame worthy, I don't know, And I don't
27:19
Speaker 5: know if there if there's gonna be too many center
27:21
Speaker 5: fielders getting in. And you just spoke about the how
27:24
Speaker 5: taxing that position is on the body, where very few
27:27
Speaker 5: were able to play that position.
27:29
Speaker 2: For for the full of their career.
27:32
Speaker 5: Like we talked about, Mike Trout is just moving off
27:34
Speaker 5: of that position, but his numbers are so crazy that
27:38
Speaker 5: he's already he's already kind of played hisself into that
27:41
Speaker 5: that that uh, that conversation.
27:43
Speaker 2: So I am surprised.
27:46
Speaker 5: I don't know what else you you have to look
27:50
Speaker 5: at to get a guy like that in. You know,
27:52
Speaker 5: I'm very curious of where the game is gonna go
27:57
Speaker 5: and what numbers are going.
27:58
Speaker 2: To start to be produced at that position.
28:01
Speaker 5: They're gonna say, Okay, hey, maybe we were a little
28:04
Speaker 5: off with our uh, you know, our numbers. Maybe this
28:07
Speaker 5: this is that we probably need to lower that bar
28:10
Speaker 5: just a tad. I'm not saying a whole bunch, but
28:13
Speaker 5: we might need to lower it just a little bit,
28:15
Speaker 5: because when we look at numbers like that, these are
28:17
Speaker 5: very elite numbers that a lot of people will never reach.
28:22
Speaker 5: And we're looking at some Hall of famers that have
28:25
Speaker 5: very similar numbers to tour.
28:28
Speaker 4: See Johnny Damon has a higher career war than Tory Hunter,
28:32
Speaker 4: but he wasn't really like a vote for Tory I
28:35
Speaker 4: think is an appreciation of elite defensive ability, much like
28:38
Speaker 4: Andrew Jones. Tory arm is one of the greatest defensive
28:41
Speaker 4: center field there's the most exciting defensive center fielders to
28:43
Speaker 4: ever do it, period. And Johnny Damon, you can't quite
28:47
Speaker 4: say that about one aspect of his game, even though
28:49
Speaker 4: he actually accumulated more WAR in his career.
28:55
Speaker 5: Johnny Damon played that dude man a that dude could
29:00
Speaker 5: play the game of baseball, and he he could change
29:02
Speaker 5: the game each and every night.
29:03
Speaker 2: And which is why that war is that high.
29:06
Speaker 5: You know, when you're able to go out there and
29:08
Speaker 5: get it done on you know, both sides of the ball.
29:11
Speaker 5: Like wasn't probably elite, but was the dude could swing
29:15
Speaker 5: the bat. He could swing the bat, and he the
29:17
Speaker 5: dude could play. He can mean, he could play some
29:19
Speaker 5: center field, you know when he was young, and when
29:21
Speaker 5: he was healthy he could fly.
29:23
Speaker 2: Now the dude could fly.
29:24
Speaker 5: I would I would consider that at one point he
29:27
Speaker 5: had an elite Uh, he was an elite defender. Didn't
29:31
Speaker 5: have the best arm though, That's what kind of threw
29:33
Speaker 5: me off with with with Damiens. He was able to
29:37
Speaker 5: play as long as he did with not having the
29:39
Speaker 5: best arm. So that just goes to show you that,
29:41
Speaker 5: I mean, the dude was really good.
29:45
Speaker 1: You know, we've been playing baseball, we've been assessing baseball
29:49
Speaker 1: for over well over one hundred years now, and some
29:52
Speaker 1: numbers like we treat the same and some numbers we don't.
29:56
Speaker 1: And and again, trying to sort through all that stuff
29:59
Speaker 1: is kind to what the Hall of Fame is all about.
30:02
Speaker 1: Like I and I don't Again, I'm not even trying
30:04
Speaker 1: to like pick on this guy's legacy, but like like
30:07
Speaker 1: lou Brock, if anyone's ever looked at lou Brock's page,
30:11
Speaker 1: lou Brock at forty five point three war and if
30:15
Speaker 1: you're a longtime Tigers fan, you know him for not
30:18
Speaker 1: sliding into home home play Willie Horton getting his ass
30:21
Speaker 1: there in the World Series. But he was a six
30:24
Speaker 1: time All Star. He did win two World Series. Uh,
30:27
Speaker 1: he had the three thousand hits, but in the stolen
30:30
Speaker 1: base is obviously, like you know, a big part of
30:33
Speaker 1: his legacy. But those are like kind of legacy things
30:36
Speaker 1: that we can think of like the stolen bases of
30:37
Speaker 1: three thousand hits. You look at Tory Hunter, Yes, obviously
30:40
Speaker 1: the gold gloves stick out, but like, you know, not
30:43
Speaker 1: three thousand hits, not you know, obviously five hunderd home runs,
30:46
Speaker 1: you know, those kinds of things. And maybe, and maybe
30:50
Speaker 1: maybe if he makes that catching Fenway, maybe he's a
30:53
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Maybe maybe maybe there's a World Series
30:57
Speaker 1: ring in there, you know, and then there's like the
31:00
Speaker 1: play of the you know, play of the century, playing
31:02
Speaker 1: play of the decade that's like part of his resume,
31:05
Speaker 1: and uh and and and and maybe it's something as
31:08
Speaker 1: simple as that, and and he'd be like a no
31:11
Speaker 1: doubt Hall of Famer because people would just be like,
31:13
Speaker 1: you can't write the story of baseball about Tory Hunter
31:16
Speaker 1: following over the the bullpen fence there in Fenway Park,
31:19
Speaker 1: and and perhaps clinching a World Series when waited in
31:23
Speaker 1: his career. So maybe it's as simple as that. It's
31:25
Speaker 1: a fickle game.
31:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder too though, if you know, if the
31:28
Speaker 5: home runs would have been a little bit higher, if
31:31
Speaker 5: you know, if he would have been able to eclipse
31:33
Speaker 5: the three thousand hits? Are we are we talking differently
31:36
Speaker 5: about this right now? Are are the voters looking at
31:39
Speaker 5: it differently?
31:40
Speaker 2: Yeah?
31:40
Speaker 5: So, I mean, because that's that's that's what it really
31:43
Speaker 5: comes down to. It's like, oh, you were really close,
31:46
Speaker 5: but you weren't close to the other Hall of Famers,
31:49
Speaker 5: and so that's why you're not considered a Hall of Famer.
31:52
Speaker 5: And that's that's just that's a tough pill to swallow
31:54
Speaker 5: right there. For me, twenty four twenty four hundred, that's
31:59
Speaker 5: a lot of hits.
32:00
Speaker 2: That's a lot of hits. The home runs, I think
32:04
Speaker 2: that home runs, the home runs.
32:06
Speaker 5: I think if he would have hit more home runs,
32:08
Speaker 5: I think we're looking at this difference.
32:12
Speaker 3: Again.
32:12
Speaker 1: He also was he was a he was a guy,
32:14
Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not, I promise you guys. I'm
32:17
Speaker 1: not trying to get into a general ped discussion, but
32:20
Speaker 1: like he we're still looking at players that, like, you know,
32:24
Speaker 1: based on you know, some of these numbers are based
32:26
Speaker 1: on their peers, right, and we know that that was
32:29
Speaker 1: something that was happening in the game. So I'm just
32:31
Speaker 1: that's just a blanket statement. I'm not trying to open
32:33
Speaker 1: up that can of worms. We'll be here for fifty minutes,
32:36
Speaker 1: but like that is still kind of part of a
32:38
Speaker 1: lot of these guys is like you know, how were
32:40
Speaker 1: they amongst their peers and how these numbers compare, because
32:44
Speaker 1: that's like all Stars. You know, that's silver Sluggers, that's
32:46
Speaker 1: you know, that's all hell, that's that's gold gloved because
32:49
Speaker 1: you know that means you're on the field more, you
32:51
Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. So so yeah, that's that's
32:53
Speaker 1: just a general factor. And again you look at you know,
32:55
Speaker 1: Tory Hunter was an All Star at h thirty seven.
32:58
Speaker 1: I think that matters. I think think that they like
33:01
Speaker 1: that's that speaks to the longevity aspect that that that
33:04
Speaker 1: you talked about Austin, and.
33:06
Speaker 3: Like there's.
33:08
Speaker 1: You could obviously every player has a peak, but he
33:11
Speaker 1: was so steady, like you said, Austin for such a
33:13
Speaker 1: long time. I almost I think that should be a
33:16
Speaker 1: credit to him that he didn't just have this you know,
33:20
Speaker 1: like career arc where he was kind of like this
33:22
Speaker 1: the majority and then you know and then at the
33:25
Speaker 1: you know, the end is the end, and and that's okay,
33:27
Speaker 1: that's okay if you want to say Tory Hunter is
33:29
Speaker 1: all Hall of Famer, because we should have a smaller
33:32
Speaker 1: Hall of fame. I think that's a fine principle to have.
33:35
Speaker 1: But I just listed off a lot of like considered
33:38
Speaker 1: historically great players that he surpassed, and so, like I
33:41
Speaker 1: think I think guys like Andrew Jones getting in should
33:45
Speaker 1: open up this at the at the very least should
33:48
Speaker 1: open up the discussion for guys like Tory Hunter for
33:52
Speaker 1: all the reasons that we talked about, and then even
33:54
Speaker 1: the intangible stuff too was definitely part of like his
33:57
Speaker 1: impact on the game, which that is also part of
34:00
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame.
34:01
Speaker 5: Hey, Kieran, if he if he wins it, if he
34:04
Speaker 5: wins a championship, is do you think that that has
34:07
Speaker 5: an impact on whether he gets in or not.
34:11
Speaker 1: It's part of the resume, like like it's part of
34:13
Speaker 1: the resume, Like I do believe that that, Like is
34:17
Speaker 1: it like the teeter like, oh he wanted to work
34:20
Speaker 1: series therefore or like he's in probably, but it's but
34:24
Speaker 1: it does I mean being a World Series champion, being
34:28
Speaker 1: an NBA champion, being a Super Bowl champion, winning a
34:30
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup, like all those things like matter in how
34:35
Speaker 1: people view you. Because you know, what's the point that.
34:37
Speaker 2: I would have got an m v P.
34:39
Speaker 5: What about what about an m v P Cody, What
34:42
Speaker 5: do you think if he if he would have got
34:43
Speaker 5: one m v P. Are we looking at different with
34:45
Speaker 5: those numbers?
34:47
Speaker 3: Just some really crazy year probably?
34:50
Speaker 4: I mean, Tory Hunter never finished higher than sixth in
34:54
Speaker 4: the MVP voting, and he did that one.
34:56
Speaker 2: He was top ten a few times to.
34:59
Speaker 4: T He finished sixth in two thousand and two. His
35:03
Speaker 4: next highest finish was fifteenth in two thousand and seven.
35:06
Speaker 4: So if he had an MVP caliber season, he probably
35:09
Speaker 4: mean he'd have more career home runs, higher career war
35:12
Speaker 4: Probably it might be enough to tip the scales. It
35:14
Speaker 4: would take him to being like that elite all around player.
35:18
Speaker 3: But you never know.
35:19
Speaker 4: There's guys, you know Dale Murphy who won two MVPs
35:22
Speaker 4: and isn't in the Hall of Fame because of the peak.
35:24
Speaker 4: So that's why the Hall is fascinating. You can argue
35:28
Speaker 4: for and against so many players. Carlis Belcher hadn't won
35:32
Speaker 4: a World Series, a tainted World Series, and was involved
35:35
Speaker 4: in a cheating scandal. And look guy had a great
35:38
Speaker 4: career by all accounts, was a great leader. He won
35:41
Speaker 4: a Roberto Clemente Humanitarian Award. But I was surprised that
35:45
Speaker 4: Beltron got in without more pushback just from the Astros scandal,
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Speaker 4: which if you actually read about that, like he played
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Speaker 4: a very central role according to the information we know
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Speaker 4: that's out there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah again like and and he probably would have been
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Speaker 1: in sooner had had his involvement in that not not
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Speaker 1: you know, been so prominent, I guess is a way
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Speaker 1: to put it. And he probably would have been a manager.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he'd have been a good one,
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Speaker 1: but he would have been a manager because I think
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Speaker 1: he was the Mets manager at.
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Speaker 3: That he was.
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Speaker 1: So uh so, yeah, I mean, and maybe that's also
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Speaker 1: a sign that we'll look back on, uh because you know,
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Speaker 1: eventually some of these guys, like the Careers of the World,
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Speaker 1: the All Two Days of the World, you know, even
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Speaker 1: Verlander who obviously it's a little bit different, but you know,
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Speaker 1: just guys from that team, A J. Hinch, you know,
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Speaker 1: all that stuff, they're gonna be up for consideration one day.
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Speaker 1: And again I mentioned precedent. Precedent is Carlos Beltron a
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Speaker 1: part of that, say to say, a part of that
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Speaker 1: and got into the Hall of Fame. So that's a
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Speaker 1: big deal if you're hanging on to like you know,
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Speaker 1: those astro teams and what their ultimate legacy will be
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Speaker 1: like how many Hall of Famers they get will will
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Speaker 1: certainly be be a part of that. So uh, that's
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Speaker 1: that's why I find this fascinating. And and Cody, why
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Speaker 1: can we expect you to have a Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1: vote next year?
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Speaker 3: A couple of years, two more years? I think three?
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Speaker 4: No, three, because I didn't actually it wasn't actually a
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Speaker 4: BBW a.
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Speaker 3: Member my first year on the beast.
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Speaker 4: That's gonna get pushed three years and I think by
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Speaker 4: then all the steroid guys that I always planned on
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Speaker 4: voting in are actually going to be off the ballot.
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Speaker 4: So I'm not I'm not gonna have a chance to
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Speaker 4: write history.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: You're you're still writing history. You write history every day.
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Speaker 2: My man.
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Speaker 1: Uh, that was a fun discussion. I do want to
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Speaker 1: say this, We had we had planned on talking about,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of the Hall of Fame more broadly.
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Speaker 1: We've been going for almost forty minutes here and we
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Speaker 1: would probably go another forty if we did that. So
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Speaker 1: I want to put a pin in the Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame discussions and then you know, talk about you know,
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Speaker 1: all the guys that Austin, like you know, played with,
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Speaker 1: played against, and someone will be on the ballot moving forward,
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Speaker 1: so it will still be it will still be timely.
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Speaker 1: But the Tory Hunter thing was fascinating. It was local
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Speaker 1: and we have no better source than than Austin, a
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Speaker 1: guy who shared the outfield with him, to get a prospect.
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Speaker 1: So we'll talk more Hall of Fame in the future episode.
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Speaker 1: That's the tease for everybody out there.