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Patriots Catch-22 5/13: Rookie Minicamp Observations, Schedule Release Week, 2026 Opponents · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars Bazaar from Lazarre.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bar.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 2: Does not having and maybe Romeo Dobbins is good enough
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  Speaker 2: that they avoid this, But does not having a J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown or a player of that caliber in their passing arsenal?
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  Speaker 3: Does that put too much stress on Drake May to
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  Speaker 3: elevate what's around him and make the whole thing better.
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  Speaker 2: That's a developmental thing.
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  Speaker 3: Like I still feel that Drake May is in a
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  Speaker 3: developmental phase of his career. We're not at the point
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  Speaker 3: yet where he's bulletproof that we can just sit here
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  Speaker 3: and say we could trade coordinators, we could trade receivers,
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  Speaker 3: we could trade whatever and it won't matter. Like I
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  Speaker 3: don't know for a fully there yet.
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  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Alex, the Patriots in their four years truly are
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  Speaker 3: going back to Germany, are going back across the pond.
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  Speaker 2: That is the big news here today.
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  Speaker 3: Schedule release tomorrow night at seven point thirty ish, I
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  Speaker 3: think is the full schedule release. But we found out
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  Speaker 3: this morning that the Patriots will be playing a game
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  Speaker 3: in Munich, Germany, at the home of FC Bayern Munich,
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  Speaker 3: which I think is probably the part of this I'm
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  Speaker 3: most looking forward to is seeing Byron's stadium and their
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  Speaker 3: facility like those big time European soccer teams have, like
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  Speaker 3: legit stadiums like these are not even you know, bigger
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  Speaker 3: and nicer than the ones that we have here. So
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  Speaker 3: I assume that that place is is the taj Mahal
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  Speaker 3: of soccer stadiums, if you will, football stadiums, So very
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  Speaker 3: much looking forward to that. So we do have some schedule,
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  Speaker 3: let's call it scuttle butt rumors, some of it confirmed,
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  Speaker 3: like the Germany trip, But November fifteenth, which is Week
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  Speaker 3: ten of the NFL season, the Patriots will be playing
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  Speaker 3: the Detroit Lions in Munich. I think that there's a
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  Speaker 3: couple of different things, just to quickly touch on this
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  Speaker 3: opening point one. I do think it's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a break to not play the Lions in Detroit,
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  Speaker 3: like that is a legit home crowd. That place as
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  Speaker 3: loud as heck. It is indoors, and it it's loud.
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  Speaker 3: It's loud, and it's a legit home field advantage in
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  Speaker 3: the NFL in Detroit. The last time that we were
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  Speaker 3: in Germany, and I would say when we were in
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  Speaker 3: London as well, was that two years ago, Yeah, two
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  Speaker 3: years ago. There are a ton of European Patriots fans,
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  Speaker 3: So it's not just Patriots fans in Germany, it's also
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  Speaker 3: Patriots fans in neighboring countries in Europe as well, and
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  Speaker 3: since this is really their only opportunity, they kind of
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  Speaker 3: all converge in the area that you know, London, Germany, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Uh So there there's a ton of Patriots fans over there.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of that has to do with
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  Speaker 3: the fact that the sport gained its popularity in Europe
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  Speaker 3: when Tom Brady and Bill Belijack were winning six Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowls with the Patriots, so it was a popular team
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  Speaker 3: to latch onto.
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  Speaker 1: And the Patriots have had some of the more notable
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  Speaker 1: German players Yakab Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean Sebastian Vohmer is definitely, yeah, the biggest,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm sure he will be heavily involved in everything
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  Speaker 3: that we do over there for the game in November.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, pro Patriot crowd, I think is possible.
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  Speaker 3: You avoid going to Detroit and playing like a true
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  Speaker 3: road game against the Lions in Detroit. Not always, but
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  Speaker 3: sometimes there's the teams take the bye week the week
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  Speaker 3: after that. So it's possible that the Patriots could have
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  Speaker 3: a week eleven bye with Week ten being, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the game in Germany, which I think would be a
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  Speaker 3: nice landing spot for a by certainly better than the
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  Speaker 3: last bye week of the year that they've had the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of years, So that would be good. But
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  Speaker 3: what is your just overall take on what we know
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  Speaker 3: about the schedule. We have no confirmation whatsoever that they
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  Speaker 3: are opening this season in Seattle. I know that report
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  Speaker 3: is out there. I haven't I swear I haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: the schedule yet. I don't know what it looks like.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're playing that game in Seattle
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  Speaker 3: or not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is it's like they're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: open against the Cardinals, right or so, it's basically the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots of the Bears are the only two real components.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely possible.
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  Speaker 1: I think it should be the Bears. That would just
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  Speaker 1: be a good game. And I think the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: rematch Week one. They did that ten years ago. People
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  Speaker 1: widely hated it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they used to do it pretty regularly, like ten
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  Speaker 3: years ago. Is that I think maybe the last time
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  Speaker 3: that they did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and people didn't like it. Yeah, it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be celebrating the start of a new season, just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: end up feeling that way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if that one is true or not,
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  Speaker 3: but we do know about Germany. I did see something
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  Speaker 3: earlier before we started recording the show about the miles
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  Speaker 3: traveled this season, which you basically know except the International Games,
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  Speaker 3: what that looks like. And now that we know the
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  Speaker 3: entire international slate, I think there's nine international games this year.
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  Speaker 3: Now that we know the entire international slate, the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: are fifth in that list. Over twenty seven thousand miles
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  Speaker 3: they're going to travel this year because they do have
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  Speaker 3: at Seattle, at Chargers and now Munich on the schedule,
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  Speaker 3: So it's going to be a little bit more of
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  Speaker 3: a travel heavy scheduled this year. Last year, we didn't
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  Speaker 3: leave the Eastern time zone.
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  Speaker 2: We did Nashville, yeah, the one. Yeah, New Orleans might
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  Speaker 2: be central too, but it's we didn't leave the.
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  Speaker 1: Right generally twenty seventh and miles traveled last year, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so this.
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  Speaker 2: Is going to be a different story.
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  Speaker 3: I think that those to me, you know, I know,
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  Speaker 3: the schedule thing, it has picked up steam, has became popularity,
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  Speaker 3: how far you're traveling.
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  Speaker 2: When your bye week is. And then one other thing
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  Speaker 2: that I think is maybe a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Should hold more credence than I because I know a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people also talk about days off, like, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a short week, long week? Partly a long week?
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  Speaker 3: Coming off buys things like that, that's part of it.
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  Speaker 3: And then the last thing, you know, the amount of
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  Speaker 3: primetime games, especially road primetime games, I think really does
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  Speaker 3: matter a lot. Those are those are grinds. Like there
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  Speaker 3: it's a late long day. You know, you play a
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  Speaker 3: primetime game eight o'clock Eastern. You play the game, let's
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  Speaker 3: say the game ends eleven eleven thirty, You do media,
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  Speaker 3: you know, locker room, all that stuff. Afterwards, get on
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  Speaker 3: the bus to get on a plane. We're pulling into
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  Speaker 3: the lot here at Juleett at four or five o'clock
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  Speaker 3: in the morning sometimes after those primetime games. And then
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  Speaker 3: the players most importantly have to you know, wake up
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  Speaker 3: and turn around and start the process all over again
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  Speaker 3: for the following week. So those late primetime games. And
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  Speaker 3: some of the players that are younger players on this
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  Speaker 3: team that have been a part of you know, not
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  Speaker 3: a lot of winning until last season, Like they're not
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  Speaker 3: a ton of experience like this used to be like
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  Speaker 3: a regular commonplace thing when the Patriots are rolling that
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  Speaker 3: they had all these.
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  Speaker 2: You know, logistical things to maneuver.
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  Speaker 3: This will be that will be a test, like if
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  Speaker 3: you have multiple primetime games and packed into a short
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  Speaker 3: period of time, if you have road primetime games like
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  Speaker 3: those can be grueling, it can make an impact. So
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  Speaker 3: we'll see all those different things about the schedule. No
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  Speaker 3: thoughts on Germany, no, none.
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  Speaker 1: Not really.
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  Speaker 2: They need to match up.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't won internationally like ten years. Their last one
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  Speaker 1: was Mexico City twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: I remember that last Brandon Cooks Patriots. Yeh, twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: They've lost last Tuesday. Got to get back to winning,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully in Europe again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the last time we were both of the last
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  Speaker 3: times that was over there were not at least the
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  Speaker 3: London game.
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  Speaker 2: They started out well in that game.
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  Speaker 1: Because the game where the Jags was it eighteen runs
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  Speaker 1: and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Something, but that the Patriots put some points on the
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  Speaker 3: board early in that game. Drake May looked really good
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  Speaker 3: out of the gate and that in that one, I
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  Speaker 3: think they drove right down the field and scored on
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  Speaker 3: their opening possession. The game in Frankfurt in Germany in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three was one of the worst football games
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  Speaker 3: I've ever seen that that was Professionally, that was a
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  Speaker 3: It was ten to six, but it felt like it
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  Speaker 3: was zero to zero. It was an absolutely I felt bad,
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  Speaker 3: honestly for the fans and for the people that the
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  Speaker 3: paying customers over in Frankfurt. I legitimately felt bad that
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  Speaker 3: that was the product that they're watching. It does feel
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  Speaker 3: like a little bit that the league is trying to
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  Speaker 3: put better teams in those games so that they don't
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  Speaker 3: have ten to six clunkers like we did in Frankfort
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was the game last year. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was Jet's Broncos right that the Jets had negative
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  Speaker 1: passing yards, Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we all remember it being capped off
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  Speaker 3: by mac Jones throwing the backfoot interception.
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  Speaker 1: So back to bat it was mac Jones through that
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  Speaker 1: and then Bailey's Appy had like the face spike in
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  Speaker 1: four defenders. Yeah, like what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mac Jones, I think it was Kasiki right,
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  Speaker 3: that was wide open in the end zone behind the
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  Speaker 3: safety and short armed it and that was that was that.
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  Speaker 1: That was the end. That that was for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: That was the end for Bill Belichick, the end for
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  Speaker 3: Mac Jones, That was the end for everybody. So hopefully
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  Speaker 3: it goes better this time around. We also have Rookie
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  Speaker 3: Mini Caamp to talk about plenty to discuss there. Alex
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  Speaker 3: and I were both there on Saturday, so we'll do
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  Speaker 3: deep dive into Rookie Mini Caamp. We did do a
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  Speaker 3: show on your show on ninety five, so hopefully it's
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  Speaker 3: not too redundant of what we just did some days
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  Speaker 3: to process things like that, So we'll touch on that
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  Speaker 3: next and then obviously we'll take your calls and emails
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: as well, and we'll talk I'm sure about all the
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: latest news in terms of the AJ Brown and Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Williams changing numbers or not change numbers and all that
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  Speaker 3: good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: When we opened the show up.
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  Speaker 3: But it's Evan, it's Alex, it's Ace behind the glass
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  Speaker 3: and we're rolling.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to start like cold open.
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  Speaker 3: With the Germany thing because there was news that was
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  Speaker 3: exciting here today, and I am excited to go to
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  Speaker 3: this one because I've heard a lot of really good
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  Speaker 3: things about Munich, like that this is actually a pretty
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  Speaker 3: fun trip and looking forward to it. So a little
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  Speaker 3: over eight hours on the plane, it's not ideal, but
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  Speaker 3: other than that, I'm looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get into rookie Minicamp. And you know, we
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  Speaker 2: were both there.
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  Speaker 3: Like I mentioned, the practice for about seventy five eighty minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't a overly long or competitive practice. We did not see,
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  Speaker 3: just off the top, just the full disclosure, we did
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  Speaker 3: not see Gabe Acis or Eli raridd And participate in
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  Speaker 3: this practice. Gabe Acis was physically there, oh, watching, observing,
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  Speaker 3: but he was not in, you know, in practice participating.
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  Speaker 3: He did not see Eli Rearden at all. He signed
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  Speaker 3: his contract, but he was not out at practice. So
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  Speaker 3: those two guys are not going to be in our
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  Speaker 3: deep dive here. But let's just go in order, I
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  Speaker 3: you know, have some thoughts on pretty much all the
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: draft picks, and then we'll talk about some of the
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  Speaker 3: udfas and the two tryout guys that they ended up
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  Speaker 3: signing to the ninety man roster after rookie minie camp
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  Speaker 3: Let's start with at the top though, with Lomu, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think the big question coming out of this is
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  Speaker 3: is there anything to him repping at left tackle for now?
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  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think so. You know, they only had three.
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  Speaker 3: Tackles out there, somebody had to play left tackle. They
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  Speaker 3: kind of seemed like they just settled on, Hey, let's
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  Speaker 3: just go out there and get a practice in, and
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  Speaker 3: let's not worry about flipping sides, because crown Over did
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  Speaker 3: the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: He played his.
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  Speaker 2: College position on the right side. The one thing that
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  Speaker 2: I thought that stood out to me about Lomu though,
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  Speaker 2: is that he looks a lot like Will Campbell. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: like his dimensions.
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  Speaker 3: He's a little bit longer, he's a little bit wider
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  Speaker 3: in terms of his actual dimensions. His arm length and
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  Speaker 3: his wingspan are a little bit longer than Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: But I think we can safely kind of say at
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  Speaker 3: this point, at least in the top one hundred ish picks,
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  Speaker 3: like the Patriots sort of have a type right now.
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  Speaker 3: I've had tackle with this kind of body type, maybe
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  Speaker 3: sacrificing a little bit of length in a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of size for athleticism. But my initial oppression of Caleb Blomo,
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  Speaker 3: along with where he was playing was I flashed back
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  Speaker 3: to last year's Rookie Minicamp and remembering what Will Campbell
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: looked like at Rookie Miniicamp, and I was kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: this looks like we kind of just printed out the
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  Speaker 3: same guy here, So they look very similar, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely seems like they are transitioning. And they
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  Speaker 1: were already kind of here a bit but more athletic
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  Speaker 1: on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They had Campbell and Jared Wilson last year, Caleb Blomoo
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  Speaker 1: this year. Like that's putting a premium to me on
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  Speaker 1: athleticism up front.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we.
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  Speaker 1: Had talked about that. I firs it was on or
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: off the air, but we definitely talked about this maybe
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  Speaker 1: on the show a little bit, like trying to get
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  Speaker 1: more athletic upfront so they can maximize on Drake May's mobility,
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  Speaker 1: do some more rollout bootleg type stuff. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: expand you in the run game as well, some more
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  Speaker 1: of that outside's own stuff. So that seems to be
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  Speaker 1: where it's trending. I don't read a ton into him
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  Speaker 1: playing left tackle, like when he's taking left tackle reps
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  Speaker 1: next to Elijah H. Tucker with Drake May under center
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  Speaker 1: and Will Campbell's out there, like then we can talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, it's not like he repped over Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: I just think to your point, they're trying to ease
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  Speaker 1: him in. It's the first practice. It's also you know,
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  Speaker 1: I say this every time this time of year, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the one thing that really annoys me about covering
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  Speaker 1: it this time of year. It's not linear. So for
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  Speaker 1: all we know, they practice Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: cross training these guys. Friday, they're cross training. Saturday, they're
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  Speaker 1: back their natural positions. Sunday they're cross training again. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And we were only out there one day. Like if
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: you remember last year, do you remember what the big
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: story was from the first day of OTA's last year,
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: Drake May threw foreignerceptions in his first right, I do
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  Speaker 1: remember which one shows you how this time you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be in terms of results. This year is about usage
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  Speaker 1: where guys playing who's playing over who? Right? If I
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: told you that today, no, it's fine, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: the super Bowl. You would have called me a lunatic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing is, I remember then there was a
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  Speaker 1: report I think was Reese or somebody the next day
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey, Drake May bounce back really well, but
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  Speaker 1: we didn't see it because we were there. We weren't there,
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  Speaker 1: and it becomes like Drake May's having this horrible start
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  Speaker 1: to Mini camp. So it's like you just have to
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  Speaker 1: remember this time of year or to OTAs until we
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: get to Mini Caamp, which is three days in a row,
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  Speaker 1: and then obviously training camp are out there every day
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  Speaker 1: like we're only seeing a sliver and it's just important
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  Speaker 1: to remember that. And no, this is not just excusing
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: a way things you don't want to see, but it
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: is you're really just looking at the usage and keeping
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  Speaker 1: in mind that, hey, we're only seeing a tiny bit
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  Speaker 1: of what they're doing. We're probably seeing the stuff like
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  Speaker 1: we're not seeing the stuff they don't want us to
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  Speaker 1: see too, because they can control that a little more.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not until you get to mini camp that
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: you get an idea of really how it's all lined up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and plus I think it's a great point in
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  Speaker 3: terms of us not seeing every practice, like once we
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: get into training camp and you're out there every single day,
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  Speaker 3: you start to see how things are stacking and you
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  Speaker 3: can see how that linear progression happens, where you know,
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: a guy is getting reps at this spot, or he's
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: getting more reps yesterday than he did today, and then
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: he gets even more and even more, and you see
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  Speaker 3: this progression for players. Right now, we are like parachuting
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  Speaker 3: in for one day, right then they're taking us out,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: and then in three weeks we're going to parachute in again,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: and then they're gonna take us out.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: And that's why that's different.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: That's what covering the time the team at this time
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  Speaker 1: of year is to me, like and when I say
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: this time ere, I mean like this in the summer.
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  Speaker 1: It's the practices don't exist in a bubble. We cover
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  Speaker 1: training camp as a linear event. Who's doing better, who's
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: doing worse, what's changing, And you just don't get as
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  Speaker 1: much of an opportunity to do that this time of year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, you know, and look it for what
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  Speaker 3: it's worth, right Obviously, you know they did do a
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: run game period towards the end of practice that was
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: more at a jog through pace and they were doing
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of zone and bootleg and move the pocket.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: You know, Barred Morton was back there playing quarterback and
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: they were doing a lot of that different kind of stuff.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Now are they really thinking, as Josh McDaniel's really thinking about,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: we're going to rep these guys in a certain scheme
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Like probably not.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: And to your point, was the day before a downhill
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: gag scheme day and then Saturday was the zone day
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: and this is how we're installing things and all that
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: good stuff as well. So I didn't really have a
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: ton I don't know if you did. I didn't really
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: want to look too much into like how did Caleb
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: blue moo Lomu.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Perform in this practice?
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Like I don't really I'm not great in his blocks
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: right now right Like I don't think we're there yet.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even really start doing that until they put
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: the pads on in training camp. But just generally, you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: he was there at left tackle that for the most part,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: and all that good stuff. The other thing I wanted
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: to do on the talk about on the offensive line
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: because you know, you try to keep me in check
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: sometimes with getting too excited about the spring Alex, But
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: how excited am I allowed to be about Demetrius crown
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Over because as a guy that appreciates offensive line play,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: all you need are guys that are just huge.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Sometimes and athletic.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: And he is huge and athletic, and he's got a
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: lot of seasoning in between there that needs to happen. Right,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of technique stuff that he needs to
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: work on, and he's going to have to learn how
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: to use all of his raw measurables. But I'm excited
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: about what we saw. I'm excited about what he looks
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: like on a practice field. You know, give this guy
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: to Doug Moron and Jason Haddling their offensive line staff
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and let's see if they can develop a Day three
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: steel because he's got some freakish measurables like thirty five
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: plus inch arms, athletic kid played some tight end earlier
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: on in his college career before converting to tackle. I
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: for what we how excited you can be about a
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: player out of rookie Mini caamp in one day at practice.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: It was exciting to see a guy like that that
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: that was just humongous, and it looks like he can
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: move pretty well too.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's the size stands out. He looks
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the part of an NFL tackle, and you can't teach size.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: That's something that's just going to be there. Again. We
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: got to see when the pads come on. I'm gonna
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: pump the brakes there a little bit. Yeah, because being
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: athletic and being like, how does it look when he's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: getting They don't really have any speed rushers I guess
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Braden Swinton, but like, how does it look when a
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: speed rusher is coming at him?
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: And can he move with those guys? So we'll see that,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: but no seeing him in person, Like, that's the thing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Obviously the team they go to all that, they go
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to the games, they go to the All Star Games,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: they do all that. But for us falling on the outside,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: we can't be at every single scouting event. So for
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: some players, it's our first chance to seehim in person. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and I think, what is he listed at six six
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: three seventeen.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, over six to seven.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I'm taking the over on that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And that's not to say he's like I don't I'm
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: saying he's out of shape. He just looks huge. Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: he's massive, six seven three, nineteen thirty six inch arms,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the arm length.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It really does stink.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: He's filling out every bit of that and then some.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So you got to coach it up. Yeah, but a
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: ton of good tools to work with.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what you're looking for on day three of
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the draft with these picks like that, That to me
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: is how I would like. I think there's two different
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: ways to approach day three. You're either approaching day three
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: to get like culture guys, like guys that are gonna fit,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: guys that maybe are going to play on special teams,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you know that sort of thing. And the other way
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: to approach day three is to just trade take right
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: bets on traits like athletic pure athletic trades. And I
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: think the two guys that they kind of did that
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: with were Prunty, who I want to talk about in
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: a second, who's just like a long you know, got
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: the long speed and you know, top end speed and
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: also has the length of a good cornerback on the outside,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: and crown Over. And I really think that if crown
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Over puts his head down, puts the work in, gets
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: the coaching, takes the coaching, that there's just a lot
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: of tools there that you at least could project him
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to be a quality swing tackle maybe, And I don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: know if I'm ready to go starter yet, Like that's
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: a long way away. But if you can get a
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: six round pick to be a quality swing tackle, that's
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: a pretty good pick.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Adrian Watta's I'm gonna keep saying that that's the bar
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: for Like, if they can at least get him there,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: feel good about where they're at. Ideally a little more
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: than that, but if they can get him there, feel
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: good about where they're at.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And you look, I'm not throwing Marcus Bryan out either,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: who's also humongous by the way in his own right.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: But you know, Crownover is just as current.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: They're built differently, like Brian's very like high hip, yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and like Crownover just it looks athletic, right yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: But if you have let's just take Brian out of
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: it for a second. If you have Campbell, Lomu crown
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Over as your three tackles long time, obviously taking Morgan
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Moses out too because of his age. Like those are
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: three tackles that starting left, starting right, swing tackle that
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: are all going to be on rookie contracts for the
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: next four years, right, Yeah, that's.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: A pretty good thing to have great shape a tackle, Yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: pretty good thing to have.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: The other story coming out of Mini camp Baron Morton,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: do we, Alex, do we have a backup quarterback competition
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: in this summer or are we too far away from
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: calling it that with Morton we're against Tommy DeVito, We're.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Too far away from calling it that. DeVito's played in
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the league. He has experienced that Morton doesn't. But like again,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I try to tell everybody Morton might be able to play.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: We would. The biggest knock on him was not a weakness.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It was an unknown and those are two. It's a difference. Yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it's not that he didn't have the arm strength. We
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: didn't know whether or not he had the arm strength.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And that was the first thing I wanted to look
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: at when we got out there, is how does the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: ball come out of his hand? Because it wasn't like
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like people think of arm strength, like how
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: far can you throw the ball?
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Joe Milton could throw it a hundred twenty yards and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it's that's part of the conversation. But to me, the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: other part of the conversation is velocity and can you
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: get good zip on the ball because in the NFL,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: these windows close really quick. And you know, if you
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: can throw the ball sixty five miles now verse sixty,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that might be the difference in hitting some of these
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: windows versus Nope, they close by the time you get
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the ball out. So again, he's not Joe Milton, right,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: But the balls come out of his hand with good zip. Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, they're jogging half speed, but he's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: still doing a full throw. And so I like the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: way the ball came out of his hand. I thought
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: something he did well in college, even through the injury
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that you saw. He's able to vary the arm slot
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: without losing accuracy, throws a good anticipation, so at that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: big unknown like okay, you have my attention and maybe
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: not this year, maybe that's the next year thing. But
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: could he light it up in the preseason maybe Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: So he definitely has a nice compact release, and he's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: got that ability, like you said, you know, to change
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: arm slots kind of like that sleight of hand too
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: with the ball handling, where you know, if it's a
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: quick screen or it's an RPO. In his college system,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: he has that ability to just kind of quickly get
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the ball out of his hands and execute fakes well
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and all that good stuff. I thought he threw the
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: ball pretty well, like you said on Saturday, with some zip,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: especially in some of those throws at he into the
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: middle of the field. He threw like a really nice
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: dig route to Kyle Dixon into a crowd and was
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: able to just kind of zip it in there on
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: a line. That's what you want to see. I actually
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: went back on Monday and watch more of his college game.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you. I didn't spend a
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: ton of time watching the third string quarterback when they
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: drafted him, so I went back and watched a little
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: bit more. His bowl game against Oregon was really rough.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: That was I think he had four turnover where he
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: plays in that game alone. But I think that what
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: you saw with him, though, is what you were talking
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: about a little bit. He looks like a guy that
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: hasn't played a ton of football, because you know, I
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: didn't really think he saw the field great, and it
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: was kind of like staring down reads and like you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: locked down on one side of the field and like
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and was kind of missing stuff,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: you know, and maybe forcing the ball into some tight
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: windows because he wasn't coming off reads and getting into
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: you know, the open receivers in the progression. I thought
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: he threw the foot ball pretty well on the Texas
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Tech tape, but I just saw some overall inexperience and
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: rawness to his game.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So he has played a lot though. That's the thing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Like he was a four year starter a Texas Tech.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's just and he kind of talked about this, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: we talked to him after practice. He's never really been
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: able to go out there and just play because he's
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: spent most of his career with significant physical limitations. Yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: played two years through his sprain shoulder, then mostly last
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: year with a broken leg. And he said, like, it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: nice to go out there and just think about football
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and not how my body feels.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So, you know, maybe that was it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's more it. I think he was forced
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to play a certain way in college because of those
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: injuries that now isn't something that he has to deal with.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He really hasn't been fully healthy since twenty twenty two.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you I pulled it up right here,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: all right. It's all about even turnover worthy play percentage.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: By year twenty twenty two to four point three, than
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: four point four, than two point eight in twenty twenty four,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and then up to four point five last year.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a rough Bowl game.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I thought he had some really good throws though down
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the field, you know, some of those big time throws.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Also had a pretty high rate of big time throws
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: last year at Texas.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Tech six point three percent career high.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: He certainly has ability in that respect. I didn't love
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: how he saw the field. I thought he was delayed processing,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Like I said, a little bit some of that also,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: is this the nature of these offenses. They're very screen
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: bubble screen, bubble screen RPO, you.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Know that sort of thing, especially Texas Tech.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't a ton of like exposure to downfield
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: progression reads and things like that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: So maybe he just needs more of it. I think,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: is just more repping it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: But what I thought, you know, impressed me as well
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: as the zip on the ball on Saturdays. I thought
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: he looked like he was kind of getting it pretty well. Yeah,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: and that that was not what I saw on the
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: college tape. So maybe he's gonna make some strides in
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that area. I'm not ready to say it's a competition
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: with the Vito yet, but I think that DeVito has
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: got to have a pretty good summer in a good spring.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think it's impossible we get to that point.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yeah, I mean I think it's it's in
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: play that if the Vito kind of goes the other
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: direction and backslides, and what we saw on Saturday for
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Morton is kind of how he plays throughout training camp,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: then maybe there is a scenario where he's the backup
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: in DeVito's the emergency quarterback. Luckily for both of them,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: they're probably gonna keep all three on the roster with
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the rules the way that they are now. But you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: that's just the way I looked at that. Moving down
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: now to some more of these day three guys wasn't
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: a ton to glean. I don't think about some of
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: these others. You know, Prunty is playing on the outside.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't really see positively or Negati anything out of
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: him necessarily. Maybe I needed to watch him a little
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: bit more, but he was playing on the outside. We
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: have been getting a lot of questions just big picture, Alex.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: We got to call in yesterday to Pu about this
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: about their cornerback depth, and you know where things stand
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: after that, the big three, after the top three of Gonzales,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Davis and Marcus Jones. You know, how do you feel generally,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you know, what did you see anything about Prunty and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: how do you feel generally about where their cornerback depth
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: is right now?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be a competition for There's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of names there, right and it's it's who's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the third boundary guide? You know, Charles Woods, Kobe Minor,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of these names we've talked about.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles Woods, Kindallvilldor, Kobe Minor, now Caleb Prunty, the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: two udfa's Canada. Harris Brendan Crossley is still kicking around
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Marcella's dial is a guy that I don't think we
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: should forget about now. He was playing more inside and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: like kind of nickel safety before he got hurt in
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: camp last summer. But he's a guy that I I
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: meant to mention yesterday on PU I don't think we
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: should totally forget or.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Cross off Marcella's dial.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I thought he was kind of making a push to
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: contribute last year before he got hurt in practice. If
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: he's healthy and he's you know, able to get back
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: to that this summer with an entire year off by
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the way, you know, because he didn't play at all
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: last year, you would hope that he would be able
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: to get back there.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not totally ruling out Marcella's Dial coming out of
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: this group.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That's a really good special teams player, and like that's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: going to help him make the roster. Yeah, I I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: don't think Prumpty stood out one way or the other.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: It was. It's really tough with these secondary guys in
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: this kind of practice.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're not getting thrown at, then you're.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Not gonna you know, big dude, good size, corner, good
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: stands out, long arms. Yep. So they're like physically looks
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: like one of their corners, which we kind of knew
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: coming in. That's one to but he'll be somebody to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: watch because I don't feel definitively like any of those
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: guys are positioned over him. Now, maybe he's not positioned
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: over them, but I again, minor prunty Crossley, Dial, build
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: or Woods, that's all pretty even. Does anybody there have
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the advantage over anybody else? Do you think going in
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: maybe Charles Little Billion because he was here last year,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: but they've also brought in all these guys compete with him. Yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and then you know, I again dials different because I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: think he's going to have a special team's edge that's
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: gonna help him. But he's gonna be in the mix
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I think Vildor is also a guy that profiles very
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: similarly to Woods, and so maybe they see a similar player,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: body type, that sort of thing. Has a little bit
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: of NFL experience on a ton but like has played
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: some snaps in the NFL. So maybe that's, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: a guy that has I think Woods has the inside track.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe the guy in the lane next to him might
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: be Kendall Vildor right now, and then you know it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: kind of a rookies in dial bouncing back and everybody else.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: The thing Pronty is, like the size, he has a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: higher ceiling maybe because of that size. I just just
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: getting there, yeah, you know, I just.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: On his college tape.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I just really worried about the details with him, like
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: the technique, the route anticipation. I mentioned after the draft
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: when we did our draft recap, Like he get beat
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: by double moves, like once or twice a game where like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: you know, the quarterback runs a little stutter and go
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: on him on the outside. The quarterback gives a pump
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: and he's just jumping the route right and the guy's
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: behind him. I think there's just a lot of sort
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: of seasoning there. I use that word again, that has
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to go on in terms of seeing it route, anticipation,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: you know, not getting taking the cheese, like all those
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: different little things that you know, if you are doing
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: that in an NFL practice and let's say six weeks
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: from now, he's doing that and aj Brown's lining up
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: across from him and he hits him with a little
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: slant and go, and you're still biting on those types
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of double moves. You're you're gonna look silly, like it's
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: not gonna look good for you. So hopefully, you know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: they can get that cleaned up.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And he's a year older than Gonzales, but like he's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: talked about, I mean, he didn't say looking up to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: gonzaust like studying Gonzalez snapping so many madls game after Yeah, obviously,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Christiannzalez has done a really good job of the film
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: room side of it and kind of studying these receivers
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and learning the run out. So you know, you hope
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that's maybe something he picks up from Gonzalez.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Namdy Obiis or head. He called himself Namdy, so it's Namby.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going with that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's Obie Eiser, Obie Eiser.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: One thing, I you know, just again like about where
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: they were playing more so than what they did. He
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: was playing that week side role that usually Christian Ellis
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: is in. That that is exactly how I see him,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: and I assume that that's where we're headed with. This
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: is sort of like a week sidelinebacker, developmental player, obviously
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: a guy that could probably be a core special teamer,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: you know, basically the pat that Christnellis has taken in
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: his NFL career, they profiled pretty similarly. They're playing similar spots. Again,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: not a guy that necessarily flashed one way or the other.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But I thought it was notable that that's where they
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: were starting him, and that's where they're gonna put him
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: in these practice and we'll see where it goes from there.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think he pretty much nailed it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's it. He's here. They're gonna develop him
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: as a coverage linebacker special teams upside a little bit
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: on the on the smaller side, but sometimes for those
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: coverage linebackers it's you know, it helps with the movement skills.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I think they think you worry about with him in
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: terms of his size is he doesn't have a very
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: He's not very long, so like when you're dropping over
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the middle of the field, like you'd like your linebackers
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to be able to almost like a goalie in soccer,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: like cast like a wide neck gives you a little
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: more ring, yeah, right to like have to throw around them.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: And he doesn't necessarily have that, uh jam Miller running
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: back very like almost Dion Lewisy like a squatty, you know.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Explosive Lewis.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: He's he's got some mass.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was like like you know exactly what
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I kind of expected. He's what like five nine five ten, right,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: he's not a tall yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: But Dion Lewis was what one hundred and seventy pounds.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Dion Lewis though like he was bigger than his that
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: he like played bigger than his measurement.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think so he was quick. He was a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: jenner bo Dean Lewis who by the way, is the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: assistant running backs coach at Alvin You now that's kind
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of nice. Dean Lewis was one ninety five. Yes, okay,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: never mind, Yeah, he was like the one seventies. I
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: think Jan Miller's a little taller five ten, two ten.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Jim Miller's got like more of a Doug Martin build
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Doug nice, good pull.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hate on a guy for Ricky minicamp,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: but they do that Doug Martins five nine two.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: They do that tackling drill. We see the Patriots do
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: this drill.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I've seen the Patriots since Mike Raywell was hired probably
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: do this drill one hundred times.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It's it's like a non contact Oklahoma basically.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great way to put it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: So they put the they each like are they're back
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: to back basically where the defender is facing one way
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the offensive player is facing the other. They toss a
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: ball to the offensive player. He does like a banana curl.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: He like loops around. The defensive player loops around, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: they meet in the middle like an Oklahoma. They don't
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: actually hit, but they wrap and they and they take
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: the right.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Douche Week over here and do it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: No, we should not, wait, they do. They do the
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: right angle.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Sure, the offensive players obviously making a guy missing the
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: phone booth. The defensive player is not only trying to
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: wrap the guy, but he's also trying to take the
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: right angle and play the right lever. Yeah, like all
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that good stuff as well. Watching Jan Miller try to
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: make a guy miss in a phone booth was not great.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Now, Jim Miller's more of a run three than run
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: by you guy.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But I thought that, like at Alabama, I thought he
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: had a little bit of a jump cut to his game,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: you know, like I thought there was some jump cut
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: ability there. It did not translate in this particular joke.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It was one drill.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he took like two reps, but he did it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Did not decide the side movement, did not.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Just seeing the way he runs with the ball, see
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the way he's built, I want to see him run
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: through a guy rather than run around a guy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I thought Miles Montgomery looked a little bit like smoother.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I thought jam Miller looked a little bit more literally explosive.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Miles Montgomery looked a little looser, you know, like somebody
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that was a little bit more fluid with his movements
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: and then last draft pick here, Hugh Hutchins. The team
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: released a statement about him this morning. We're not going
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: to go too far into that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: He practiced a little bit, uh, but then was hurt,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: made about midway through practice, left practice. So not much
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: else to add to that right now with that situation,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: So we'll see how that plays out. The UDFASU Kyle
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Dixon kind of the star of the show, if you will,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: among the udf as, the wide receiver from Colver Stockton.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: But they did also sign to tryout players that are
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: also undrafted rookies, Peter Manua Manu. I'm not going to
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: be able to do this, Manamua Manuma.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I thought that was it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Manuma and from Hawaiian Xavery Holmes, from James Madison.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about all three. Let's start with Dixon. NOA, okay,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know why that was so difficult for me.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Who knows.
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: They had that other guy, that defensive tackle we were
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: talking about the oh I kind of wanted them to
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: sign it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: He's huge.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: He is a big dude. The guy from f IU.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're gonna call him, the guy, The
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: guy from f y f I U because I can't
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: not even gonna try.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Hang on, I have it right. Well, maybe he's one
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: that like comes back around at some point, yeah, hang on.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I think it was like Ola something or other going. Yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call him Ola from f IU. That's what
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call him.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Ola sukmi ag loke. He was. He was a big,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: big often referred to by off virgub nicknames. Sue.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, well that's a lot easier than there's other name.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's big boy.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Where are you at with Kyle Dixon?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Are we are we a full eft chisholm uh star
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: of the summer freight train yet?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Or are we are we cool and off? On that one?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I'll say the same thing I said about Chism, Like
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I remember I didn't get hot and bothered about fon
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Chism last year because it's just like I need to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: see more. I need to see it against high level competition.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It's also the thing this year, I there just might
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: not be a path for UDFA receiver to make the team.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I don't see it, especially if AJJ.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Brown's here. Yea, you know there's some more of these
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: stuff on Diggs rumblings. Now, But if it's so, who's
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be here?
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: A J.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Brown, mccollins, Kyle Williams, I'm gonna forget somebody, A J.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Brown, Romeo, Dobbs Romeo, Well, no, definitely gonna be here.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Definitely gonna be here, Kyle Collins. So I think you
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: could maybe take Hollins. I think you can maybe take
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Booty out of that list. And I'm not saying that
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: they're all gonna make the team, but I would say
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: in camp you might have seven guys for six spots
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: right already and not including any of these, Okay, like
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: they have.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: To beat out Chisholm or pop. But the reality is,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: if you have a J. Brown, if you have Mac Collins,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you have Kyle Williams. These are all outside guys. Yeah,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the path to make it is an inside guy. So
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: maybe that helps a Cameron Dorner or Nick Dejon Arrow.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be even tougher for Dixon, I think is
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: going to be here. If he doesn't make the team,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be on the practice squad, similar to C. J.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: DePree last year, who got the same kind of UDFA bonus.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But like when we talk about maybe these guards or
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the safeties or the defensive tackles. There's just such a
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: clear path. There's a spot needed to fill on the roster.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: That's not the case a wide receiver. They're in good shape.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agreed.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, if they get AJ Brown, and you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: we're gonna probably get plenty of calls and emails. I'm
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: already seen the emails come in about AJ Brown and Diggs.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: If they get AJ Brown, this is honestly one of
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: the best receiving cores that they've had in a long
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: long time. Yes, like I said yesterday, probably like the
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen Patriots, you know, and then going into Brandon
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Cooks with Julian Edelman Gronk at tight end, like that
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: was an elite group, right, This isn't quite.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: That because you don't have a well, you don't have
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: a Gronk, so you know you don't have.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I mean a Browny got Brown and Digs?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I think Dobbs.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Is your top three, Matt Collins, Kyle Williams mixing.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I want to get to that in the second because
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: we were debating that yesterday on PU. Let's just stick
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: with the udfas for now. And then we'll circle back
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: to that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Kyle Dixon. The one thing I you know, the two
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: things I would say about Kyle Dixon.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: The first thing I thought out of him basically the.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Guys that were on the field at that position, him, Kibble, Dorner, Dejonio,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: he looked the most like an at NFL wide receiver
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: just his body. Uh uh Dixon like just like physically
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: like he's a six two two twenty like looks the part.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Where's the suit? I thought the other guys looked a
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: little small, to be honest, like and not like yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I mean the receivers, yeah, you.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Know it didn't fill it out like he did.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I thought he was like explosive in his movements, like
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you could kind of hear it and see it that
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: he has a little bit of physicality and explosiveness to him.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Attacked the ball pretty well. There's a couple that were
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: not great throws.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: One of them in particular, was like on a quick
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: hitch that was over his head that he had to
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: climb the ladder, go up and get so the athleticism,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: you know, the off the butt smeasurables like that checked
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: that box. Seeing him for the first time you wondered
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: about that because of where he played, right Like, It's
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: not like we're talking about.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: A UDFA that played in the SEC, so you see
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: those things.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I think that's the best compliment I can give to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: him right now is that he, out of the four guys,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: his body type, his movements looked the most like an
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: NFL wide receiver in a rookie mini camp practice. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: wish that we could have seen him against like a
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: top one hundred guy, you know, like somebody that was
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: drafted higher. But we didn't have that luxury. But you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: that's what stood out to me about Dixon was just
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: he looks the part of being on an NFL run.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, stood apart from the other receivers.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: What did you see from the two guys that they signed.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I honestly, Xavier Homes did not flash too much to me.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Xavier Holmes. I mean, it's tough for those line of
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: scrimmage guys in this kind of self.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: The only think that flashed to me about him is
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: that he was wearing fifty one at practice.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That that that kind of stood out to me. Why
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: it was Drod Mayo's number.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: Fair.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Manu was a really smooth mover. Yeah, he's fast,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: really smooth naturally, He's not just fast, he can change direction,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: he tracks the ball. Well, he's a guy that in
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: high school, he's a highly you know he was. He
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: went to I think it's the Chaidler School. Like there's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: been some other NFL players out of that school. That's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like a known pipeline. Yeah, went to I've been in
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: high school. He played running back, tight end, linebacker, corner,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and safety. So he was just an athlete and tore
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: it up. And then he was a four year player,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: three year starter at Hawaii, multi year team captain, multi
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: year All Mountain West. Like a guy that just kind
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of hit the ground running and has always kind of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: found a way to make an impact. So you like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: to see that from guys they're gonna need they like
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: safety depths in need. Yeah, they don't have a ton there.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And if he has maybe some upside, like he's definitely
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to play special teams. He's totally got
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: special teams to make up six foot two, twenty good size,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: he's gonna have a chance. I think he's gonna have
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a chance to make a team. I do, so I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: liked what I saw and clearly they did too, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I'll be to ask Rabel when we talk to them next,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: like what he saw specifically in them. But yeah, I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like that one. I think that's the kind of guy
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: like you want to get a longer look at.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: So definitely can see like he's one of those guys,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: not to use a cliche, that kind of like plays
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: with his hair on fire, Like he just plays fast and.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Flies to the football.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure just based off of the fact that he
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: got signed to this contract and skill set and what
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: he looked like in college, he's probably a pretty quick study.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Like I assumed that he learned it and picked it
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: up pretty quickly for all these things to happen.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: So you're right.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: You know, at safety it's Byered, it's Craig Woodson del Pettis.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: They signed Mike Brown as a free agent, kind of
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: a lesser known free agent John Saunders, and now Manua.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Why can't I say his last name? I don't know.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It's literally phonetic. I don't know why you're struggling with.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they have Muma.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It just is it doesn't want to You can do
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Chad Muma. Right, yeah, but that's just Muma. So this
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: is just an extra symbol. I don't know Muma and Manuma.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just struggling. Yeah, it's it's tough.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Oh I need.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: It's killing me. Like, I don't know if it's phonetic.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it's logical.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But you're saying you're struggling. I'm just saying sounded it
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: like that's you can just sound Manuma. There you go.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: So they only go six deep at safety, Yeah, right now,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I'm well seven with schooler. But yeah, I don't count schooler.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Uh but yes, you're right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: And then we they have Bayern and Woodson are kind
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: of in their own tier obviously as the as the.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Start, it's who's behind them.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: And I think that del Pettis will be here. I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: think he'll make the team.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Uh, but Cam Minuma, Mike Brown, can one of these
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: guys push to be a four safety, fifth safety if
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: you want to count school you're on the roster. Maybe
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: even push del Pettis to for playing time, you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and as the third safety, true third safety, maybe Minuma
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: can do it. I think that they like what they saw,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: and I'm obvious Lad I watched a couple of his games,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: and you know what that was what stood out to
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: me was more him coming downhill at the line of
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: scrimmage than him in cover.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: He's an intense, intense player.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of guys in this safety
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: class that were like that, that were highly touted players
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: that were more downhill trigger guys like I the guy,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: the kid from Miami who I'm blanking.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: On Koby Thomas.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacoby Thomas, the other kid too from Miami.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Trade trade and Stuke Kante Scott, thank you trade on
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Stuke saw. You know, like a lot of guys that
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: were playing safety in college that the number one thing
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: that stands out to you is like their downhill trigger, right,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: whether it's blitzing against the run. Manuma was kind of
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: the same way. My guess is that there was so
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: many safeties in that mold in this class that he
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: just had a long shot to get drafted because of that. So, uh,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: he was, you know, not a guy that was highly touted.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: He wasn't in the Beast, you know, it was it
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: wasn't he was in there. He was in like the also, Yeah, yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: he was you know, he had his men. I'm a
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: little surprised that he wasn't more.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Like a pure UDFA.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tryout. The interesting thing with him, he never really
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: had the one season where he popped, which is what
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: these teams are really looking for, Like, do you have
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: that season where you so clearly look above and beyond
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the competition, And he never really had that. But he
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: had four very solid seasons starting as a true freshman,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: So I think there's something to be said for that
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: consistency and the fact that he kind of figured it
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: out as young as he did. You'd like to see
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: more growth from his freshman year to his senior year,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and that's probably why he was off the radar. I'm
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: a little surprised looking back at put him off the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: radar that much. So again, there could be something else,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: an injury or whatever that we should know about.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, so that was pretty much it that
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: stood out to me.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, some of these other udfas, I thought Khlil
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Jacobs looked kind of like Obiz or like a similar
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: kind of player. I think those two guys are going
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: to be in the competition all summer long. We both
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: kind of clocked David Bloyle was pretty small. Yeah, pretty
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: small for a nose.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Help that he was standing next to the giant guy.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty small.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: You were clowning on my boy, Tanner Arkin doing practice
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: though you were, you were, you were.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: He just doesn't change like you said about jam Miller,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: like going through that drill, he doesn't change direction. Well, okay,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: but he's a blocking tight end.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: That's what he is, right.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: But if he's blocking and he's running the seam and
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: he's running a shallow cross, like, does he need to
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: like be Hunter Henry and be able to break down
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: at the top of the route and like make most pretty.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: He's pretty stiff.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: He's stiff, But like does he is he gonna run
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: routes that are going to ask him to really be anything?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: But where's the room for that guy on the roster
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: they have that it's Julian Hill fair enough?
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: I I I.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Wonder, and I think we're going to get into it,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: you know, in training camp, Like him versus C. J.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Dupree is interesting.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I think they profiled pretty similarly in terms of what
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: they're good at. I think Arkins maybe a little bit
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: better of a college blocker and Deprie's a little bit
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: more athletic, so Arkan might.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Be better than Dupre, but that's you're talking about fourth
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: tight end.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Now we are, we're.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Talking we're keeping a catch two. We're talking about the
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: This is we're filling out the practice.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Trust me, the these ones are fun where it's okay,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: these two players are battling for who's better. Ultimately, neither
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: of them is probably gonna make the roster.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: But I guess, uh that that's that's what we do.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know that's what we do.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I like I said about Miles Montgomery, I thought he
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: looked a.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Little bit looser, a little bit more fluid than jam Miller.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Maybe a little less explosive, you know, literally explosive in
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: a straight line. Uh, but I I thought that he
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: uh looked okay, Uh to me as well, didn't see
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: a ton and look, interior offensive line play is not
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: This is not the time or the place for you
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: if you are an interior or no defensive or offensive lineman.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: So Gendarius Morgan was getting reps at right guard with
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the the ones. You know, yeah, it was crown over Morgan.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Uh who was at center? I think Rizzy was at center?
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, and uh Lomu obviously on the left side there,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: so Jen Darius Morgan was getting reps.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I think Makai Butler was the other guard that was
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: getting reps.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: He was a guy that was here last year on
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: the practice squad, so not much to stand out in
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: terms of what their performance, but they were on. I
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: did see Morgan getting a significant amount of run with
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: that top group.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: They clearly wanted to take a longer look at him,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: and I put.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Top group in quotations for those people that are listening
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: on the audio vers top rookie, Yeah, yeah, which is
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know what not saying a ton there. Okay,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: So that was rookie Mini camp was a pretty good
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: synopsis there of that, Let's take Patty's call and then
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: we're gonna hit the brake and then we'll open the
• 48:39
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• 48:41
  Speaker 3: what's up, Patty?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: How are we doing?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: But how you guys are doing today? Good?
• 48:49
  Speaker 10: So I had a big picture question regarding the twenty
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: six season and something.
• 48:56
  Speaker 11: That I heard on Callahan's podcast that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: Damn who gets hosted it? I think Grdi and Phil
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: Perry were on it, and that is and they didn't
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: bring this up specifically. They just thought they just addressed
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: drink may going into.
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: The second heir of Josh McDaniel's system.
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: But are we kind of onderating that as fans.
• 49:17
  Speaker 11: Of sports media, national sports media, because I mean, we
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: saw the big jump that he took a last year
• 49:25
  Speaker 11: and I forgot where I heard it, but I heard
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: it somewhere that this past year he was kind of
• 49:31
  Speaker 11: just kind of learning on the fly and just playing
• 49:34
  Speaker 11: even you know, even as as obtuse or not obtuse,
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: but as as broad as McDaniel's system is, he was
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: kind of drinking.
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: Through a fire hose and like I said, but on
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: the fly and he played great. So is it crazy
• 49:50
  Speaker 10: to think that he could possibly take like another huge
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: leap going into the second year of McDaniel's system. And
• 49:56
  Speaker 10: that's that's the question I got. Guys, will take it
• 49:59
  Speaker 10: out there.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's definitely possible. I wouldn't say that he how
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: did he categorize it? I wouldn't say that he was
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: overwhelmed by the amount of information, right.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I think what I saw, and this.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Is just what I saw, was that I think that
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: there was less information like I think that they're I
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: think that they went like this with the playbook last year,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: and as somebody that studies their tape every single game
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: of the entire season, by the end of the season,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: you were starting to see a lot of the same
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: repeat plays pop up on the tape, right, like they're
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: running the same thing. Maybe McDaniels is dressing it up
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: a little bit differently, and it's tweaked the formation, the
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: personnel grouping, whatever the case may be. But go watch
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: like the Super Bowl tape if you can, if you
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: can bear it, it's it's not a great it's not
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: a great time. I'm not gonna lie, but go watch
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl tape and watch how many times they
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: run dagger, which is the slot receiver runs a vertical
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: and the outside receiver runs that deep dig. That's or
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: that he made to MATC Collins on that one touchdown
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: drive they put together at the end of the game
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: that was on that concept. They must have ran that
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: into Super Bowl like eight to ten times, right, And
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I think what they're hoping is it's not so much
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: that he was drinking from a fire hose or anything
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: like that. McDaniels has talked about this in the past.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: It's like filling a bucket, like a bucket with water,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: and they filled the bucket, like, let's say they filled
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: it halfway last year, Well, this year, they can fill
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: it the rest of the way. And so now he
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: does the whole birth of the playbook at his disposal,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: and all the different checks and all the different calls
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage, and all the different protections
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: and all the different route combinations, and that way there,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: maybe they get to the end of the season. And
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I do think this was a factor at the end
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: of the season because if me, as a im media
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: person can watch their tape and start to see repeat plays,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I can only imagine the repetitiveness to certain coaches that
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: are watching the tape right, especially the minutia Like I
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: think that in the Super Bowl, my guess is that
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Seattle saw something on their tape about how they were
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: going to check to slot pressure, and they knew that
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: if they did this with this guy and that with
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: that guy, that it was going to open up a
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: blitz out of the slot. And that's why we saw
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon kind of take over the Super Bowl. Now
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: that the Patriots have that ability to kind of expand
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: on the playbook. Hopefully Drake May has the ability to
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: have more answers to the test at the line of
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: scrimmage for these types of things. Hopefully their route combinations
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: and their passing concepts aren't as predictable. They have other
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: things that they're going to run and other things that
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: they're going to go to. Like they ran like four
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: or five different plays, and they just would spam them
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: like over and over again. And because they had were
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: really really good at executing them for most of the season,
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: and they had good players in those positions, it didn't
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: really burn them until the competition took a step up
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and then we obviously saw how much
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: of a struggle it was with the playoffs.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a factor.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: With Josh McDaniels in the second year in the city,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's great for Drake May that he finally
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: has it. He really hasn't had it going all the
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: way back to college. North Carolinas switched coordinators on him
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: as well in his two years as the full time
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: starter there. It was the guy at Wisconsin that I'm
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: terrible with names today. The guy that Wisconsin was his
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: first coordinator, Phil Longo and then he had another coordinator.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Scott Chadwick was his coordinator the second year. I think
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: it's Scott definitely Chadwick, and he was his second year
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: and they had to change that, you know, one year
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: to the next, and they changed.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Systems on him.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: This is the first time in a while that he
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: hasn't had to change systems. So I think that that's
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: going to pay huge dividends for him. But I don't
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: think that last year it was necessarily that it was
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: they were overloading him with information and it was too
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: much for him to absorb. I think they pulled back
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: on what they gave him so that he could handle
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: all of it. I think this year, too, there's gonna
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: be less leeway, like if he makes a mistake. I
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: don't think that last year they might have overlooked some
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: of the mistakes because it was his first year in
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: the system and he's a young quarterback. I think this
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: year they're gonna coach him harder, and that's a good thing.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I think that could make them better. All Right, So
• 54:17
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  Speaker 3: and like this is on the list of things a
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm the asshole.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but someone's got to be man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And you know over.
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  Speaker 3: Here where we're talking about about, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: going out there and golf, you.
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  Speaker 1: Figured out why the brand ping is called ping.
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  Speaker 2: So that was I mean I thought that was a
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  Speaker 2: pretty that was a layo. Yeah, I mean yeah, that
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: was a layup.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: That was a layob. But it's a good sound though
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: you you flush it. It's it's like baseball.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I don't think I've ever baseball. It'd
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: be vague.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I was pretty bad. But you've watched that. First of all,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you probably never played with a metal bat with a
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: wood bat. No, I'm saying, like, if you watching a
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  Speaker 1: baseball game and somebody truly barrels the fastball, you know
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: that sound is one of the best sounds in sports.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: The golf that's not quite as good, but it's up there.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Would be what's the best sound in football?
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Somebody getting smacked.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's the pad pa, that's definitely, honestly, Like,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: that's the helmet.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: And yeah, somebody just Sean Taylor.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: You just like that like a crack. Yeah, it's just good.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I mean no, I like, I don't want anybody to
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: get hurt, right, Like.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: No, even just even just like you go out there
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: for training camp, first day padded practice and you hear
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the shoulder and the bigger hits. Obviously I'm louder, it's better. Yeah,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: that was kind of a no brainer. Do you know what.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: The other thing that I really is underrated because some
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: people might say doink the.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Underrated is uh, when you have a quarterback, like an
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: actual quarterback like Drake May, when you hear the ball
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: whizzy through the air, Like that's when you know that
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: a quarterback's got real strength.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Because when you hear you can literally hear it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: The average fan doesn't get too experience because like you
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: don't hear that on TV. No, and like even if
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you're a training camp, you're probably too far away to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: hear that. Like you can hear the pads.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Like when you if you're on field level and you
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: hear uh, like Drake May on corkadeep ball, like down
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: on the sideline and it's on the sideline that you're
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: on and you can see it coming, you can hear it.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: You can hear it a little bit.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you hear the ball like kind of like
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: whizzing like almost like a vortex member the vortex back
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: in the day that.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: It's like a like a baseball or a golf ball,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: like you hear it freaking missile. But that doesn't really
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: come across on TV. No, I don't think I've heard
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: it's cool, though it is cool, yeah, but no, best
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: football sounds definitely the pads.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: I often think about how much that like these receivers.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: All their hands are all like jangled up from catching
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: passes they got, you know, their fingers are going the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: wrong way, and their palms are all bruised. And I'm like, geez,
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  Speaker 3: to keep eighteen and not going to eight like he said,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Let's start there, and then I'll ask my second question,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: So you are you actually seriously looking into that or
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: are you just joking?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Twice this seat this offseason, once
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: when they introduced the free agents here yeah, and then
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: once when he was on with Kay Adams at the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: league meetings, Elliott Wolfe was asked directly and the exact
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: term that was used was close the door. Do you
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: want to close the door on Stephan Diggs returning to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, And neither time he definitively said no. Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: He didn't say like, yeah, we're still talking to him,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: we want to bring him back, but like he didn't.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: He had every chance to say, like, we thanks to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: fall and it was a great year, but we're just
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you know, we're moving on. He had every chance in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the world say that, and he didn't. So that puts
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: your antennas up a little bit. And then the Kyle
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Williams thing, like yeah, there's some breadcrumbs there. Now to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the Ellie Wolf comments, maybe they don't want to throw
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: him under the bus when he doesn't have a team
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: and you know, potential teams see that and like why
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: are the Patriots done with them? They need a receiver?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: Like what what?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: What don't we know? Right? So maybe they're trying to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: do him, you know, help him out. Maybe it's like, Okay,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: if a bunch of guys get hurt in camp, they
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: call him, so you don't want to close the door,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: but it's really an emergency thing. Maybe they're maybe it's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: a leverage thing with goals. So that's what I'm hoping
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: it is, right, and it's hey hoping it is.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Like you know, you're in a little bit of a
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: love trying, right, Not that I've ever experienced this, but
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: you're in a little bit of a love triangle and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: you're more interested in the other girl than you're interested
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: in the one girl, but you don't want to get
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: rid of the other girl yet because you're not sure
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: about the main girl. So you're just trying to kind of,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: you know, leverage it a little experience, right, And so
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: you're just trying to leverage it a little bit. And
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: I if I was the Patriots, and I'm not saying
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: they're doing this, so don't put words in my mouth.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: But if I was the Patriots, I'd be keeping that
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: Digs door just cracked open a little bit to say
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: to Howie Roseman and the Philadelphia Eagles, Yeah, we'd like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: to have a Brown, but we don't need aj Brown
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: because we have Digs.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: He's right here, whether they plan on actually are interested
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: in bringing in Digs back, or not being able to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: say to the Eagles, Oh, you want a first round pick,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: we'll call Steph. Yeah, right like him. There's year now.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I still think the ideal situation is both.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that was my second question.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: But you know, is there is there some meamesmanship with
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Steph Diggs where it's like, hey, man, okay, we want
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: you back, but we need this leverage with the Eagles,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: so like, hang tight, let's string.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: This out a little.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: You don't have to come to ot As. You can
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: go party and do whatever. No, this is like, this
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, if you don't mind waiting a little
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: bit to sign the contract, you don't have to come
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: to O t As. You don't have to come to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: mini camp. You can go chill and hang out and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: have fun, do whatever you want. You don't have to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: be in the building. And so he gets an extended
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: little like spring brace. Right, yeh Will the Patriots used
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: this leverage and then could you imaginett Now we're going
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: totally okay, now own pants on no just the joint.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown Stefan Diggs introductory press comp.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you this because we talked about
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: this yesterday on PU and I I am in the pro.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Let's let's just push all the chips in. Let's sign Digs,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: let's trade for AJ Brown.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And let's go for this thing. So you weren't there.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I think last time we did a show, Paul was
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: very against it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, the reason why Paul was against it, I don't
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: want to put words into his mouth, but I'm I'm
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: just summarizing what he said as best I can. The
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: reason why Paul was against it was because of the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: diva personalities. He thought it would be. It would be
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: clashing like it would do. There would be too many
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: coaches in the kitchen. It happens at that position, there's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: only one football. Now you have three highly paid receivers
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: and Brown, Dobs and Digs.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Are you going to be able to feed all these mouths.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I joked and was taken a little bit too literally,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: but I joked and said, throw it fifty times.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Like now you're talking about it, just just throw it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: fifty times.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: And Led Drake may throw ten passes to each one
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: of those Pro Bowl receives.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: So you're talking about having Josh mcdanigels brush off the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: seven playbook.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I mean, if you're gonna have the if
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have that three headed monster.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: And maybe Dobbs isn't quite a Pro Bowl.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: No, but Dobbs is a third. Dobbs a high level third.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Just sling it, man, I mean, it would be without
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: a question.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Pergets ran the ball the ninth most times in the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: league in two thousand and seven. Well, well they had
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the lead all the time, so that's that's true. Uh,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: for us, it would be amazing.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, covering a team with two bona fide like
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: star receivers on it would just be incredible to go back.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: But and I don't want to make too many of
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: these comps because it's obviously very very very lofty. But
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Romeo died a different play style. But like Romeo Dobbs
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: in the Dante stalwarth role, right, like Dante star Wars
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: or Jabar Gaffney, whoever you want to put in there.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I was always parsonal Stall.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Me at me too, like as a third guy.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, And so if that's Romeo Dobbs and I'm
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: not saying that aj Brown and uh Steph Digs or
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Wes Welker and Randy Moss, right, but like there, that's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: kind of the dynamic. So I and sorry, one more
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: for what it's worth. You talk about throwing what'd you say,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: throw the ball ten times to each of them? Yeah? Sure?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: You know how many targets Randy Moss had in two
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: thousand and seven? I forgot This number is insane, like
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: one sixty five, one sixty which is a lot. How
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: many did Welker have? One? Did you know that? Off
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: top of your head? Maybe? Okay, like that's and then Stall,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: we're still having seventy five. They threw the ball five
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty times. Yeah exactly. I mean you're just
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: telling Josh McDaniels, go go get that playbook out of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the attic and run it back.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know who needs to run the ball. And
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: you have aj Brown and Steph Diggs and Romeo Dobbs
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: and Drake May at your as quarterback, at your quarterback.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Marx Maroney still ran for eight hundred and thirty five yards.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Like remindre can run like wheel routs and stuff out
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: of the backfield, will getting the ball somehow, like yeah,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: where spread in the field and we're we're we're.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Chucking it man. I mean that that is what we're
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: doing with that offense.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just having some fun comparing him.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Hot yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think that you know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: that's in terms of the pantheon of Patriots skill position talent, right,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: O seven is in its own like seven ten, But
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: this would be sort of in that like in the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: running for that next group, right, Like the.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Ten was the year they had Moss, Welker, Gronk and Hernandez.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Right, they were rookies, Grounk and Hernandez and Moss was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: fading obviously that year he was they had.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: All he got traded, but they had all that talent
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: on one team, yes, and they uh and Dean Branch yes.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: And then you know, twenty nineteen they had Antonio Brown
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: and Edelman in one game like quarterly like not even
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: a full game.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: It was like he played like eighteen snaps and Tonio.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Brown he still put on forty three points. He was, Yeah,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: that was fun. Uh So it already three to be
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: out there. I I.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Don't think that it's gonna happen.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: He hit eight targets in that game.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I came around, you know, just on.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: The surface with AJ Brown and Dobbs, like you can
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: see it very easily fit that puzzle fitting together nicely,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Like Antonio Brown or Antonio AJ Brown is kind of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: the your outside guy down the field receiver. Romeo Dobbs
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: is your inside guy, your chain mover. It's not quite
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Moss and Welker, but it's the same idea, right in
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: terms of where they're gonna win on the field and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: where they're gonna line up and all that good stuff.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Adding digs in there.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: You know, last year he played fifty two percent of
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: the snaps, fifty one percent of the snaps, played a
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: majority of those in the slot. Like, is he the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: best third receiver in an eleven personnel that you could
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: possibly have?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Right, Like, well, wouldn't wouldn't that be Dobbs Or you're
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: saying Dobbs in Brown is your.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I think Dobbs and Brown would be your base receivers. Yeah, probably,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: And I think Diggs would be in more of like
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: a passing game third receiver. Eleven personnel, You're probably gonna
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: run a lot of eleven if you have those guys.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: You sure are.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think they ran in? No set?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I need this now, this is this is.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: If this would be, it would be like we would
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: not have to talk about them not having enough weapons
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: for the first time and interesting like like we wouldn't
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: have to talk about them not having enough offensive lineman
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: for the first time in eight years.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Like it would just be like what this is? Yeah,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Like holy crap, Like there's probably the best offense we've
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: ever cover.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: He's still Hunter, Henry's coming off a career year.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, yeah, it would be great. I mean it'd
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: be loaded.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Am I drooling a little bit here?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Or be a loaded game? Loaded?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: It would be very fun.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's there's no doubt about that.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Like we covered the eighteen team, which had Gronk on
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: his last leg with the Patriots, Edelman still pretty much
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: peak powers, made anyone super Bowl MVP and had a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: great playoff run. Josh Gordon for sixteen weeks or whatever
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: it was. Was on that team two years, but didn't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: finish the season. Well, he finished, you're right, he didn Yeah,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: he didn't the season, but didn't he come back the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: next year for like a week or two. Yeah, he
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: came back at the beginning of nineteen. But they when
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: they I don't remember exactly. I think they signed them
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: off the street when they got Josh Gordon. No, they
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: traded for him, oh, because Cleveland still had his rights,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: and I think the Browns drafted like somebody notable with
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: that pick. So when they had Josh Gordon in eighteen,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: he was in a lot of ways like that eighteen
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: offense was like stuck in the mud for a lot
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: large portions of that season. It didn't fully hit until
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: nineteen when it really got stuck in the mud.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Also, the Browns took Nick Scott with that pick.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: I think that was a good trade. The eighteen offense
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: wasn't great either, and then Josh Gordon. I think people
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: under sell just a tiny bit like Josh Gordon wasn't
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: He wasn't Cleveland Josh Gordon. He wasn't the guy that
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: put up fifteen hundred yards and led the league in
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: receiving early on in his career with the Browns, but
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: he brought it outside down the field element that that
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: team absolutely needed at the time, and he was pretty
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: good in eighteen. He had a pretty good run there
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: with the Patriots. I think, didn't he catch like a
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: record breaking touchdown from Brady at some point, like it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: was like his fiftieth different receiver.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Or something.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Touchdown and the most different receivers. Also, I got that wrong.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: The Patriots traded a seventh round pick or the Browns
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: trade seventh thrownd pick with Gordon, which the Patriots then
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: traded the Browns got Austin Sebert, who was a good player.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, Josh Gordon I thought, was, you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: pretty good for where it was in his career. So
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: maybe that team had the eighteen team would rival this
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean, you did still have Gronk
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: wasn't quite at the peak of his powers at that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: point with all the injuries and wear and tear. Edelman
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: was really really good. Hogan was still on that team,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Josh Gordon was on that team for most of the season.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: James White, Sony Michelle out of the backfield. That was
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: a pretty good, pretty good group too. But this would
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: be right up there. Question here from Don and Philly.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Uh he asks who would we prefer to have the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: opener daytime home away?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: What opener would we prefer?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: So the reporting again reporting Kirk manaheen saying that they're opening.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Who Kirk is that? How you say it?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: You never heard his name pronounced minihan minyhean. I know
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: it's possible to work in Boston media not know that.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now he's gonna clown me on his podcast because
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: he freaking bully.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: The guy's an asshole. Uh so he uh, he's know
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: how to announce it.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: He's good like talk about me again for the seventh time. Uh,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Seattle in Seattle, right, Yeah. I don't know if that's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: true or not, but that's what the reporting is. Let's
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: just assume that it isn't not because of anything that
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: I just said. Just to play this game with the emailer, Uh,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: what would you be your ideal opener? Because my ideal
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: opener is like one o'clock against like Miami or the Jets,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: Like let's have a very nice home cushiony, let's like
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: blow him out and win the game, like That's that's
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: where I'm at.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Well, even if it is, like I I'll rip the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: NFL for it. I said this earlier in the show
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl Rematch Week one, bad, stupid, annoying, don't do it?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Why don't both teams Uncles and Panthers talking about and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: they continue to everybody's too tight playing a familiar opponent
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Week one. I remember the players explaining it was like
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: weird because it didn't feel like it just felt like
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: a continuation of the previous season. And that's a big
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: game anyway. I don't need it to be the opener
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: throw that it should be early throw that Sunday Night
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: football weeks three through five is when that game should be.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I guess I am not.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: I they're not in this like they're not even in
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: the same conference obviously, so okay, so like it's not
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: a division game, like sometimes people don't like the division
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: games out of the shoe because they're important and right.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: So here's where I'll contradict myself a little bit. As
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: a rule, I would like an NFC game Week one,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Week one and two possible, Yeah, because Week one we
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: know as weird as hell twenty four Patriots one in
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Week one twenty five. Patriots lost to the team that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: got the first overall pick in Week one, so I
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: want a game with the least amount of meaning. So
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I guess I'd rather the Seahawks than say, like the Bills,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: although I think Patriots at Bill's Week one opening the
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: new stadium would be very cool just as a fan.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: But like, give me an NFC game, ideally at home
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: so you don't have to travel.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: So you want an NFC game, But it can't be
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: said not, well.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Not this is one odd specific situation. As a rule,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I usually want an NFC game. I think this it
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: being the Super Bowl rematch Week one for the league.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I don't like the league doing that, especially what it's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be played on a Wednesday. It feels kind of
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: minor league playing on a Wednesday. This is my other
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: thing with the NFL, that they're playing all these different
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: How much.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: About your your Labor Day weekend plan?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: So, like, how much is that involved in Let's be honest,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: let's peel back the curtain like it would there's all
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: of our late five percent. This is what you said.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: This is very much a you take. But like no
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I said this last year, I forget what it what?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: But like, there was a Super Bowl rematch last year,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't there between the Chiefs and Eagles.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: There was, but it wasn't Week one.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: No, But they were talking about it being a Week
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: one game leading up and I said the same thing.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: That might have been that was late in the year.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: That might have been two years ago, right, because there was.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: I remember the Eagles won the regular season game and
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni acted like they won the Super Bowl even
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: though they lot.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: I think that was two years conference championship rematch. Go
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: for it, Patriots Broncos, which we know it's not going
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: to be, but like Patriots Broncos Week one would be
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: very cool. Not the ideal matchup for the Patriots that onpening,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: that would be very cool to me. Packers or Vikings, Okay,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: like a game that doesn't hold as much weight in
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: the standings, but it's still those are good games, especially
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Patriots Packers. Like that's a legit game. There's buzz. Oh yeah,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: but I I am I don't want Super Bowl remains
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: that's probably gonna happen.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: I am totally cool with with marching out in a
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: Tomato can Week one. I like last year it should
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: have been against the Raiders. That should have been a
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: tomato can work out.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want the tomato can week one. I want
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the tomato can later in the season when you're banged
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: up and you kind of need. There's something about starting
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: the year one when I want the tomato can. It
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: is something nice about that. But it's weak ones too unpredictable.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: That's why I want the last year.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: They they the last year of the game. They lost
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: to the Raiders. They weren't whole yet. They weren't the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: Patriots that we.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: So if you're not going to be whole, wouldn't you
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: rather play a game that holds the least weight in
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: the standings. No team's whole Week one, okay, but they're
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: like the road teams.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: One one just doesn't make a difference in the standings anyway,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: no matter who you play.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Or uh, it's very Usually it's very unpredictable, like the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: DRAWD Mayo Patriots beat the Bengals the Week one of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: the DRAWD Mayo year. Last year, the Patriots that ended
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: up going to the Super Bowl lost to the Raiders,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: who were the worst team.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: In the league.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: So it's just there's not it's no rhyme or reason
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: to week one.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: You know what I want? Tomato? Yeah?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I want? The tomato can game. Thursday
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: night football, Well, Thursday night football at home.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: That is the best ball they us because they put
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: The Patriots played the Jets, the Aaron Rodgers Jets in
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: a Thursday night game Gerromeo's year, and the Jets just
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: blue doors off the Patriots in that game. So the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Patriots are owed, like I guess they kind of got
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: it with the Giants. Well, it was out of Monday
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: night or Thursday night.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: It was Monday night. No. Last year was Thursday night
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: against the Jets against the Jets Tampa. That was the
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: rivalry's game.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they beat him pretty good that night. It
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: wasn't it could total blow.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Up Thursday night football against the Jets are Dolphins is
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm looking for or I get Do they have
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: any other They don't really have any true tomato cans on.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I guess the Raiders, depending on what you think of Mendoza,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: but they don't really have any true I think schedules
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: a little easier than people are making it, but they
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: don't have any true tomato cans on here because The
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: thing is like, even if you.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Think you know the schedule is uh, I agree with that,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: So you don't.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Think the Jags are tomato can Like it's still a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: road game on a Thursday night if you.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Go based off of last year's when percentages is the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: bane of my existence and just the worst way to
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: They have a pretty hard schedule. I think they're sixth toughest.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: If you go buy Vegas win Total or some of
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: the analytic models, it's like more middle of the road.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: I think Vegas win Totals has it at twelve. It's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: not a small thing. And I know people know this,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: but like, you play four games against the Jets and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: the Dolphins, right, and then you also are going to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: play the Raiders. So even though they lost the Raiders
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: last year. I know they lost the Raiders last year
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: in the opener, we just talked about it. They didn't
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: have Christian Zalez. It was wonky. It was a weird game.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: It was Mike Rabel's very first game as the coach
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: of the Patriots. It was not what the Patriots we're
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: hoping are going to hit the ground running from last
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: year Patriots that we're going to see in week one
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: of September this year, those are, in my opinion, that's
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: five free wins. In theory, you need nine or ten
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: wins to make the playoffs, right, let's call it ten
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: just to be generous here. Way there, just by playing
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: two teams in your division twice. So, like, even though
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: it is harder than last year, no doubt about it,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: you still have some some games in there that should
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: be extremely winnable, like layup kind of wins. And so
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: then even if you if you play those five games
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: and you go five and oher in your four games
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: against the Jets, the Dolphins, in the one game against
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: the Raiders, then then that means that you have to
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: go what like five hundred the rest of the way
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: basically against everybody else to to have ten wins and
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs. Like that seems pretty doable. So it's
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: a it's not it's one hundred percent of harder schedule.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's this impossible last year, but.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: It's a it's middle of it.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: It's a it's not like a gauntlet.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: No, no, all right, this email is from Chris or Colt.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: I guess the email says Chris, but his name is
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: cold here and tree word as we say in the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: middle of May post draft, everyone currently healthy. Do we
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: have the players to just get the one to five
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: yard we need in another year in Josh's system to
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: execute or are we going to see similar struggles? So
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: I think that he's talking about, you know, short yardage offense,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: third and fourth down, would they call power situations right
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: third and one, fourth and one goal line, which last.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Year was up and down. I think this is why
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are here.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Reggie Gilliam, Julian Hill, Elijah Vera Tucker beefing up the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: offensive line, improving your offensive line. This is when Mike
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: Rabel talks about we had the explosive plays in the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: run game, but we didn't have the consistency in the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: run game. To me, the consistency part he's referencing there
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: is situational football, like if we have it when we
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: need it. I think that's why all these guys are here.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: This is probably the one thing, and you know, removing
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: the AJ Brown from the equation, this is the one
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: thing I'm most optimistic of that they will improve is
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: being a little bit more consistent and a little bit
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: more have a higher success rate in short yardage running,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: whether that's goal line and that's third and one in
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: the middle of the field, whatever the case may be.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: I think that's why all those guys were signing brought
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: in here.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Or even I kind of took that you have to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: eat it again. But like I think I heard it
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: is like, are they just gonna do a better job
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: of staying on schedule and not getting into these third
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: and longs that they right how many timeslast year they
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: had like third and eight, third and ten third, well.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Especially in the playoffs, like that probably wasn't as much
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: of a problem for them during the regular season because
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: everything went well for them.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: They they didn't the highest rates of like third law,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: they just kept converting them because Drake was that good.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: They were good, but like that's not sustainable. Yeah, So
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I just like them better as a team that can
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: get how many times do you talk about the run game,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Like there wasn't consistency. They would break these big runs,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: but in between that, there was nothing and so they
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: would get stuck. Yeah, and you know, and this is
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: the offensive line upgrades in the full back and Julian Hill,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: and like, I think they're going to have a more
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: sustained run game. This year, they'll be able to do
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: more that, all right, four yards, three yards, four yards,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: five yards.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: That's certainly as a hope.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: They need more of that stayed run game. And I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: do think they made a point in their additions this
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: year of like being better at that.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's exactly what the idea is there.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Here's an email from Barton Poll and he's got a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: bone to pick with you, Alex. Okay, so he said
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: that last week we were talking about candidates to be
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: the Patriots of last year, like the worst of first,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: you know, candidates.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: We brought up the Tennessee Titans.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: We talked about that really mad. I said that the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Titans playing a weak division.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's mad about it. He said, that's exactly what
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: he's mad about. Wile I agree.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: One of his points is that they play in a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: bad division. Are you serious, Alex? I know it's a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: stereotype that the South divisions are always bad, but for me,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: the AFC South has a better case to be called
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: the best division in football than the worst. The Texans
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: were a playoff team, have the best defense in football,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: and have a very good offseason. The Jacks won thirteen
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: games last year. The Colts were the number one seed
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: before Daniel Jones' injury. Come on, man, that's just lazy.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: I am probably in the middle of the two of
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: you if you said that. I don't remember if you
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: said that they were.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: They play in a bad division or what I think
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: will be that bad division. The Colts are not gonna
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: be good this year. Who knows what the hell Daniel
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Jones is gonna look like?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: They lost, you know, players this offseason. I I and
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I've been a big I liked what the Texans have
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: done and their defense is still elite. What the hell
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: is going on with that offense? You have uncertainty around CJ.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Stroud looming over that whole thing. How do you feel
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: going into the year if you're do you feel better
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: about the Texans now or how you felt about him
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: last year? Are they a regression candidate or an improvement candidate?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I just I think that they're probably a team
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: that's stagnant right now, and that's not necessarily.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: May twelve games last year more or less this year.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: If you had to guess, I'd say less. If I
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: have to guess, the Colts won eight games last year
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: more or less this year, if you're to guess same less. Uh,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars thirteen and four. They alternate being good and
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: bad less right, So, And I don't think I said
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: they were the worst division of football. Fight Well, yeah, no,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: they're not the worst of it. They're not the least
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: the South. But like I see three teams primed for regression.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: And by the way, isn't that kind of what helped
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: the Patriots? The Bills regressed, the Dolphins regressed, the Jets
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the Jets Like, no, I I stand by. I don't
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: know if I said a very bad division. Maybe I
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: didn't need very That division to me screams regression outside
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: of the Titans, and I think Titans three wins last
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: year more or less more right, I think the Jaguars,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the Texans, and Colts are all may you could sell
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: me on the Jaguars be thirteen wins a lot? Maybe
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: they don't regress a lot, But like I think all
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: three of those teams project to win fewer games this year.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the Vegas totals are, but I
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: think they all project to win fewer games than they
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: did last year. And so somebody's gonna benefit from that,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: and the Titans are right there.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: So I the thing about the Texans is that their
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: defense is dominant. Defense can keep them in games. I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: don't know what they're doing offensively, both from a roster
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: building standpoint and a coaching standpoint, And c J. Stroud
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: seems like he's kind of broken. I think they've just
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: like stagnated.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Like that program. They came in hot. You know, Nickosario
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: mixed those.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: Trades for he drafts Stroud trades back up for Will Anderson.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Demiico Ryans is like the bell of the ball, right,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: you know, He's this great hot shot coaching candidate that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: they get and then all of a sudden, that whole
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: thing is just kind of stagnated. And people talk about
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: the Patriots as sort of being a paper tiger.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Last year.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: They dominated the Texans here last year, like they they
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: turned c J. Stroud over five six times?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Was that a blueprint game? Well, I'm just saying, like,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it might be a blueprint game if.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: The Patriots were considered a team that was overachieved, it
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: was a little bit of a paper tiger.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: What's that make the Texans?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: And by the way just because I pulled it up.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Vegas odds here. According to SI, these were published on
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: April thirtieth, so after draft a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: but after the draft. Colts last year won eight games,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: their Vegas total seven and a half. Jaguars last year
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: won thirteen games. Their Vegas total is nine and a half.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: The Texans last year won twelve games. Their total is
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: nine and a half. And then the Tennessee Titans should
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: be on here somewhere won three games last year. Their
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: total is six and a half. So I'm not the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: only one saying this. All three of those teams Corn
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Vegas gonna win fewer games this year and they did
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars, you believe in them? Do you believe in
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Liam Khan?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I find it the Jaguars are or circus?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Should he keep his headhiled high?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that. The Jaguars are still unpredictable. They've
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: been for years. The talent on the roster doesn't matter.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be good one year, than bad the next,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: and good one year. I don't know what the hell's
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: gonna happen with the Jaguars. I don't think they're gonna
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: win thirteen games again.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Though, no, there's like that. I don't think the Patriots
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: are gonna win fourteen.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: The Patriots probably gonna win less.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: I look at the Jaguars as a team that still
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: has a little bit of that Jaguars on them.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Where like this whole for example, like.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: This whole Travis Hunter thing, right, they draft, they trade
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: a bunch for this player. They draft Travis Hunter, whether
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: they didn't have a plan for him or he didn't
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: live up to the hype so the plan didn't match
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: what the player was once they got Regardless of the
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: case of all that, the Travis Hunter thing is already
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: kind of a disaster for them. And I know it's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: only one year in and maybe disaster is a little
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: bit strong, but it's not going great. Like they don't
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: really know where he's gonna play. He got hurt last year,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: they gave up a boatload of picks to go get him.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: It's just kind of all over the place with it
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: right now with Travis Hunter. And I'd be the first
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: one to put my I thought he was going to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: be a blue chip. I thought he was a stud, right,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe I was wrong about him too.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: They can't really figure that thing out yet. Uh, Brian
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Thomas Junior was this like really like impressive rookie receiver,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: like breakout rookie receiver. He regressed last year. He's in
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: trade rumors all off season, like this is Jaguars, Like
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: that's just Jaguars, Like you know, you're doing Jaguars things.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: And I'm not just totally sold that they have that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: regime pointed in the right direction yet. So, like I said,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of in the middle of you and Bart,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: but I think I don't necessarily look at the AFC South.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of gang, but I don't look at it.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Just again, if I called it very weak, maybe I
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have used very I don't think it's as good
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: of a division as it was last year.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm putting us both on the spot here because
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't really think of this before. But like we
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: all agree, the NFC West is probably the best division
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: in football, right, Yeah, so I would say NFC West.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: It's the NFC West or the NFC North. Yeah, those
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: are probably the two best, depending on what the hell
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: happens with the Vikings.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: But the Vikings are always like competent, like they're not.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: Last year they won nine games. Yeah, so they're not
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: like a complete disaster even with JJ McCarthy.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cardinals are kind of a complete disaster.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: So that.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Seahawks, Rams, and Niners are all probably
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: better than any team in.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: The top ten teams in the league. Yeah yeah, all right,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: back to the phone. See, so, way, who is the
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: weakest division?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: NFC South? NFC South, I.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Think I mean they didn't the Panthers win it with
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: a sub five hundred record last year or kid?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so NFC South, they were all eight to nine
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: except the Saints for six and eleven. A.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: It's not quite like you know, Dan shaughnessy, Tomato can
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: AFC East right now.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Because of the Bills, the Bills are still there. The
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: AFC A saying great, I.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Has never been like in its history, has never been
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: a competitive division because you think about you had the
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Bill the Patriots last year, I guess the Bills are
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: they still won it by two games. Then you had
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: the Bills for like five years, You're the Patriots for
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: twenty years before that, you had the Bills for ten
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: years before that year. The Dolphins, Like, it's never been
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of always been these runs. It's never
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: really back and forth.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: I actually do like Jeff Affley a little bit as
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: a coach. I thought he was a really good coordinator
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: in Green Bay on the defensive side. I don't know
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: if he has the horses right now to put together
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: a great team, But maybe he's one of those guys
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: that have they're patient, you know, they give him a
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: two to three years, Like in the third year, could
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: he have that program pointed in the right direction.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Possibly.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: I really do feel like the Jets have a chance
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: to not only have the number one overall pick. I
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: think Aaron glenn is maybe on one of the hotter
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: seats in the league.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: Do you know the last time an AFC East team
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think I've had a phrase this. So
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: obviously the Bills won it in twenty four, didn't win
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: it in twenty five, but they'd won it consecutively.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Do you know the last time an AFC East team
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: won the division without winning it in consecutive years? No,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight Dolphins. Oh yeah, obviously there's no braiding.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: The last time that the AFC East had three different
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: winners in three years two thousand to two thousand and two, Dolphins, Jets,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: and Patriots.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Well that's not happening this year because the Bills of
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are winning that division.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: The last time you had three before that was ninety
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: to two thousand. The Jets, the Colts, and the Dolphins.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: It's rough. I mean, the Colts have won this division
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: more than the Jets have, by the way. Awesome fun fact.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: The Jets and the Dolphins I think combined could have
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: like as many wins combined as the Patriots have losses
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's like that hot, you know,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: say that just because I pulled up the AFC East page.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Now we're doing fun facts. Do you know where the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Jets rank in division titles all time in the AFC
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: East keep minds of fourteen division for most of its existence. Fifth.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: They are tied for fifth with the Houston Oilers. Oh nice,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: The Houston Oilers have won the AFC East as many
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: times in New.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: York Jets, Warren Moon slinging and around for the AFC East.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: That's right. And yeah, the the Houston Oilers have not
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: been in the AFC East since uh I think nineteen
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: seventy it was the AFL East at the time.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the phones. Jeff is
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: in Maine. What's up, Jeff?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on? Guys? So I got a couple
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: of things. One, it's been a while since I've called,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: so to update you on how Island did. Part of
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: the Only Catch twenty two fantasy football segment got off
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: to a rough start one in three, finished fifth out
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: of ten at a I believe it was eight and five.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: So finished seven and two, which we will take. Kiven
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: need a new name for next year, but we got
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: time for that. Speaking of the Jags and our favorite
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: sounds in sports, one of my all time favorite sounds
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: was when the Pats played the Jags. And I mean
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: it's true across a lot of sports when there's a
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: big moment, but you could even hear it on the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: broadcast when Steph went up and swatted that pass and
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: the crowd just absolutely erupted. If I ever come across that,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: I am watching that ten times in a row just
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: to listen to it.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in sports, across all of it, we need we
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: need to bring back the crowd. Were on broadcasts, right
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: like TV broadcasts. They they shout. They want you to
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: hear the announcers instead of the crowd, which is the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: exact opposite of what it should be. Like, let's hear
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: the crowd, not not you know whoever is played by
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: play giving his iconic call that we all care so
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: much about.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that, Jim.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves the talk. He loves to talk to
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: He talks over the moment all the time.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: He's a big he's a big fan of it.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: And then in terms of Tad's cracking together, I know
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: I've brought it up on this before, but that one
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: time that James Devlin and Tremaine Edmund shit each other
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: in the hole in Buffalo, and it was just like
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: they each ran into a brick wall. I mean it was.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: It was the only time I've seen two people run
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: at each other full speed and they both just stopped
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: in their tracks when they hit each other. There was
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: there was no win. I mean, I guess James de
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: would kind of one because he stopped him. But still, anyway,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: that's all I got, and I will aspire to represent
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: Catch twenty two better in the Fantasy League next year
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: than love.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, Jeff, I appreciate it. Mark is
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: back Marks in Connecticut.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: What's that? Mark?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 14: Hey, guys, been a little while, probably before the drafts.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 9: I just wanted to go over a couple.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 14: Of things that you guys, the Eli reard and pick Evan.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 14: If I remember correctly listening to you on it, you
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 14: didn't think that they were gonna pick him. You know,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 14: that wasn't their kind of guy, which which is kind
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 14: of weird because I mean, he's he's got the size.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 14: I mean, if he puts on like he says he
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 14: wants to, if he puts on ten pounds, I think
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 14: he's going to be a really good athlete in this
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 14: league and in the offense. And then the other one
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 14: was a sneaky, really good pick is the Alabama running
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 14: back towards the end of the draft. I think he's
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 14: actually gonna be a little bowling ball, you know, one
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 14: through there. I think he's going to be pretty pretty
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 14: good on that. And then the last thing I wanted
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 14: to say is, I know it's uh, we're talking about Patriots,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 14: but what's your take on the Giannis antetkoupo.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Oh another basketball Celtics call. I appreciate that, Mark, would
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: you make.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 14: Would you make the trade, Evan in Alex would you
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 14: make the trade? Last thing we need to get ninety
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 14: eighty five the sports up down here in Connecticut, Alex.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 14: I'm miss listening to it all the time up in
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 14: Massachusetts because that's where I'm from. But you know, I
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 14: know I have it on the app, but it's just,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 14: you know, I wish that we had a station down
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 14: here because you know, it's awesome.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: So thanks for the call, Mark, I appreciate.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: We'll get to the honest thing in a second, even
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: though people hate when we talk about basketball. But to
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: his first couple of questions, oh, by the way, just
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: as mom, she lives in Connecticut still or Jess grew up.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: She listens to watches the simulcast all the time on
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: NBC sp that too. Yeah, she's she's big with that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: and put it on in the background when she's you know,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: putting around the house or whatever.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Eli Randon, Yeah, I was. That one shocked me like I.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: Had kind of, you know, jotted him down on my
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: list as a guy that might fit them. And I
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: don't feel like I was totally off base because Elliott
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: Wolf came out after the draft and admitted that there
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: was some healthy debate about that pick. So I don't
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: think I was totally off base in terms of what
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: they thought. The one thing that I think, you know,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: that I probably should have just ignored kind of what
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: I was the chatter about it and gone with my gut.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: I do think they really have emphasized catch radius as
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: something that they want to highlight. And he has a big,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: big hands, like almost eleven inch hands, above average catch
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: radius obviously, you know, long kid, you know tall kid.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: I think that that element of it probably pushed it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: over the edge, and with some of the concerns that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: they maybe had about his plate demeanor and his blocking
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: not superseding the athletic profile and the catch radius.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: But it does feel like catch radius.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: And I don't know exactly if this would apply to
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: wide receivers too, but Drake may catch radius. That seems
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: to be a thing like they want to look at
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: guys that are a little bit longer, that have a
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a quarterback friendly frame, a little
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: bit more quarterback friendly targets, which I think makes sense
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: based off the way Drake may throws the ball, especially
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: when he.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Drives the ball.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Sometimes he puts a little bit of air under it
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: and can overthrow the ball just a little bit and
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: you can like see it in your head, you know,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: a Matt Collins like going up and catching the ball right,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: you know, over his head for Drake May and bringing
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: those passes in. So I think that was a big
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: part of what ultimately won out on Eli Raridan was
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: the way the board fell at tight end and the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: measurables you know, athleticism, catch radius, things like that. So
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: I think that that ultimately is what won the day.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: Along these same lines here it's an email from Noah Inter.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: I'm glad he emailed in about this because somebody put
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: me on the spot Alex a couple of days ago.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: You know, I would like to say to put a
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: name to the claim.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: So I have been saying that, you know, Caleb Bluemo
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: would not have been the guy I picked at twenty eight.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: So then somebody said to me, well who would you
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: have picked?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna say that, you have to put a
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: name to the claim, very fair? Uh clap back, You're like,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: if I say it to you, then I gotta, you know,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: walk a practice what I preach. I think what makes
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: this one so difficult because it kind of stuck me.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: It did, like what would I have done there? What
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: makes this one so difficult to me is if you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: were dead set on taking a tackle, there was only
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: one tackle that you could have taken, right, So if
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: that was like really how they felt like they had
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: to go about this draft, then they were kind of
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: it wasn't really much of a decision, Like there was
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: one guy left, so they took the last guy.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: You know, it's easy to sit here and say, oh,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I would.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: Have traded down, you know, like I would have traded
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: out of the pick, straighted up and got Caleb Lomu
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: if it were me, Like, I think that there were
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: guys on the board at that time that I just
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: felt were better players, like an Omar Cooper junior potentially,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: or you know, I was a big Casius Howl guy.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: You know, he ended up going like forty, so you know,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: maybe I was off unaware exactly he was going to go.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: But it when I got asked that question, it was
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: hard to answer because if you were saying that we
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: were going to take a first round tackle, well, there
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: was only one option, so like it wasn't like I
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: could have pivoted to somebody else. They didn't have the
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: luxury of sitting there with Ianachor and Lomu on the
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: board and having the choice between the two players. But
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: if you didn't, did you have somebody like that that
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: you like would have taken or who was your second
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: choice if Lomu was your first?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Honestly, at that point on the board, I remember thinking Acus, Yeah,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: and they got him anyway, they got him in the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: second that was I was kind of the same thing
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: with the pick, like, I don't know who else you
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: take in that scenario.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of how it went. It fell to
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: that it was not a good board for them. Yeah, no, eight,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair. Do you want to do a quick
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: Celtics minute on his Gianni's question? So I have hesitations
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: on Giannis, I do. I obviously it's it's a little
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: Danny angish to make a trade like that where the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: ceiling is probably higher if it works right, if Yannis
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: comes in and he's the same guy that he was,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: you know, when he's healthy and he's an MVP candidate
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, then it's going to
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: have a higher ceiling than Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Right,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: when's the last time that Jannis was that guy for
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: an extended period of time. When's the last time that
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: Yanna's finished a season for the Milwaukee Bucks healthy.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: It's been a minute.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, twenty twenty two playoffs against the Patriots
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: or Patriots against the Celtics, I think was the last
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: time that Jannis went wider and wired with Milwaukee. And
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: last year they didn't make the playoffs obviously, so that's
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a different thing. So it's kind of,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: you know, we talk about it on this show all
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: the time about football. He's kind of a it's a
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: boomer bust move, like it's either gonna turn out that,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: you know, they hit another level because Giannis is a
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: perennial MVP candidate again and Jason Tatum is an l
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: NBA player, and they have a higher ceiling as a team.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of really attractive sort of two man
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: game stuff that you can do with the two of
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: those guys. If the other thing that I worry about
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit with it if Jannie is willing to
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: like play the role that they're gonna ask him to play,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: you know, he with Tatum, Like he's kinda he's the screener,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: he's the role player. He's the and I don't mean
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: role player. I mean like he's rolling to the hoop
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: on the pick and roll, not literal role player. Like
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: he's gotta almost be like a de facto center, you know,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: and like be willing to protect the rim and play
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: inside and like do all that kind of stuff.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Is that really what Giannis? Is he game for that?
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: Because if he, if he is, and I think it
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: could be dynamite, there's also a small green team or
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: a piece of me that just wants to go down
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: with the ship with the Jays. Like we drafted him,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: you developed them. They've been here together for ten years.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Like I I, well, now you have all these like that.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: How do you get Yannis without trading Jalen. I don't
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: think you can. Derek Whitehouser picks whatever. I'm not saying.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe you could, Brad Stevens, maybe could pull off a
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: miracle and do it in terms of the compensation, But
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: then you have a lot of cooks in the kitchen,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Like Jalen Brown's already unhappy that he's not guy.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: What would be more fun? Aj Brown, Stefan Diggs and
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs or Tatum Brown and Giannis oh Man.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Those are two really good ones.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: The fandom would definitely be more fun for the Celtics,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: but to cover the Patriots with those three guys would
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: be a lot of fun.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Jannis, to me, would be an interesting test for Joe
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Mazula because you talk about the role Jannis in to play.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Are they gonna use him as that kindkind of hybrid
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: center screen role because I think he would thrive in
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: that role. I think that would be a good fit.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: But are they gonna do that or Joe Mizula gonna
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: tell him to go out to the wing and shoot threes? No,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: which he can't do, but the high level like is
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: Missoula going to let him cut to the basket? That's
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: not a big part of the game, but they don't like.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: But they have They have done that with centers like
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Kid that's Kada right now.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Kata doesn't. I'm talking about like slash, like get the
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: ball at the wing and put your head down and go. Yeah,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: Kata doesn't do that well.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: But no, but I think Kaita is the guy that
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: he's He's set screens and I will be the basket
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: and he catches lobs and like.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: We kind of heard in that press conference, Brad Stevens
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: hint that the spray and pray three point thing isn't
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: going to be there, shouldn't be their identity anymore, and
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: it's is Joe Mazula going to listen to that? I
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be one of the big questions this
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: upcoming season.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's regardless though, like.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: The next would make it even more fascinating because of
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: the way he plays.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: If you add Yannis and then we can move off
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: of this after this. If you add Yannest, then like
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: the blueprint, there is Tatum and Yannis in a two
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: man game with shooters around them. Right like then you
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: put Pritchard in one corner, you know, a Baylor Housier
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: in the other corner. You know, maybe Derek White's still
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: here and he's roaming, you know, as sort of like
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: a fluid player that can you know, be in the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: dunker spot or be outside or whatever. But you're basically
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: opening the court up for those two guys to play
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: a two man game. And then the threes are still
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: going to be there because the kickout is going to
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: be to the three point shooters like that, that's still
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: gonna so like Yiannis to me, is like just a
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: much much better version of like porzingis like that, that's
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: like the ideal type of thing in terms of where
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: he's going to operate on the floor. I don't know
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: if Jes like Yiannis is a guy that wants to
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: play in transition. He wants the ball in his hands.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: So is he going to allow Tatum to be real,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: like really the real trigger of the offense and he
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: he's kind of like the pick and pop player.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Like is he going to be cool with that?
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but that team would have a really
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: really high ceiling if if everybody's healthy, there's your Celtics minute.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: If you hated it, you can fast forward through it.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: I don't care. Todd is in Gardner?
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Todd?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: Hey, So I've already got this answers from you, but
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: I would like this from Barth two. What do you
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 7: think are they going to run to set up the past?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 7: Are they going to pass to set up the run
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 7: next year? Or maybe something else? And I'd like to
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: hear you guys discuss that, because it just seems to
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 7: me like they're trying to be a punch in the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 7: face team with run your ball down your throat and
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 7: then make you pay with Drake May. So I'd like
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: to hear your guys' thoughts on that.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks Todd.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: I I'm always a pass to score, run to win
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: type of guy.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: That's that's the analytics nerd in me, right.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: You pass to get a lead, you pass the score points,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: you run the football in the fourth quarter when you
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: have a lead in your ice in the clock like that.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: That's my philosophy on it.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: I assume when you have a quarterback like Drake May
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: and they're talking about drafting athletic off offensive lineman because
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: they want to be able to pass, block better and
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: like all these different types of things, I would assume that.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: I but I think that that's a very fluid question.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: Like I think that some games they might be more
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: run heavy, some games they might be more pass heavy.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: And I think there's always going to be sort of
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: a game plan element to what they do with that
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: type of stuff.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a game plan, is
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: the best way to put it. Like I don't think
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: it's one. I think they want to have the ability
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: to do both and depending on the opponent and depending
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: on what the situation of the game is. I know
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a cop out answer, but I think
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: they want to be able to do both. Yeah, that's
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: that's when Jos mcgaine's off. That's right.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: I don't mean to like turn my nose up to
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: the question, but I just don't know if that's really Like,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going into a season or
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: going into you know, a stretch of games and being like,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: we need to establish the run today. Like, I don't
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: know if that's necessarily how they think about it, you
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: know what I mean saying?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Right, well, I think they might go into a game
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: thinking that. I don't think they're going into the season
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: thinking like, we got to establish the run first. In
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: all these games they play, they're going to do it
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: based on the matchups.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: All right, sal is in Connecticut?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: Sal?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys? How are you great? Show?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 13: You know?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 9: Last week I think it was I think Alex you
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 9: were telling you were wondering whether or not there's a
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 9: conditional a pick regarding aj Brown trade. Obviously, whether a
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 9: trade can be conditioned on the Patriots making the playoffs.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 9: I took a look at the rule book. I couldn't
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 9: see anything. But one thing I did see, which is
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 9: probably the answer, is the commissioner has to approve all trade.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 9: So obviously, if Philadelphia and the Pats agree to something
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 9: that's conditioned on a playoff success of the Patriots and
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 9: they're okay with it, the commissioner has to approve. And
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 9: if he does, then well, there you go. You've got it.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 9: That's my understanding. I don't know if you saw I
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: think differently, but I did want to. I don't know
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 9: if you saw anything to that effect, Alex, did you
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: at all?
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: Or well, yeah, the commissioner, thanks to the calls out.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Obviously, the commissioner approves all trades ninety nine point nine
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: percent of the time.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: There's never an issue.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: I can't really remember a time that there was an
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: issue in an NFL trade that the commissioner.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Somebody sent me one.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: So it was Sam Bradford, there was, Yeah, there's a
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: quarterback trade. I was just trying to look at us.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: Sam Bradford was was contingent on the team. Now, that
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: was a long time ago, though, right, that was and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: that was a quarterback. Yeah, and that was a quarterback.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: The only time, and I'm swear I'm not trying to
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: talk basketball, The only time that I remember a commissioner
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: vetoing a trade was Chris Paul to the Lakers.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: And that was a little different because the league owned
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: one of the teams.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they owned the was it whatever, the hornet, hornet,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: whatever team it was that the team was at that point.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: I don't remember that happening in the NFL, that the
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: commissioner vetoed a trade. No, at least like off the
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: top of my head. Yeah, uh, Eldred, what's up, Eldrid?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Hey Evan, Hey bar, how y'all doing.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: I got a question for you, because I know everybody
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: keeps saying I hated that pick two, but they.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 11: Won't get him to transfer to the right side, right right?
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, what if crown Over proved out to be a
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: better right tackle, then what you do with so ain't
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: nobody asking that question? Yeah, you know, it's a it's
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: a wondering. I mean, it'd be good.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: It's a good problem to have. Thanks for the call, Eldrid.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was about to say that's a
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: that's a first world problem. If I've ever heard when
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: we have too many good offensive linemen. Uh, I don't
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: know if we're there with crown Over yet to say
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: that we have to start thinking about it like that.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: But is there a world you know.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: It's always When I was talking to Caleb Blomo's offensive
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: line coach at Utah, I was talking to him too
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: about how they settled on Fino on the right side
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: and Lomu on the left, and he just simply said
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: best five, like we just wanted to get our best
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: five out there and where they all were comfortable and
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: where they all could play at a high level, and
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: that ended up shaking out that way.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Is there a chance that the Patriots.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Down the line, I know this is not gonna happen
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, but down the line, their best
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: five involves all three of those players, Lowmu, Crowdover, Campbell.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: I guess in theory it's possible. So probably one of
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: Lomu and Campbell kicks inside in that situation. I think
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: we're ways away from that, but that would probably be
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: the answer. I don't I don't think Crowdover has the
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: body type to play inside. He's he's cut like a
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: tackle like he's tall, he's heavier, he's you know, more upright.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's got the bend in that
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: ability to play inside consistently. So it's probably gonna be
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: one of Lomu or Campbell. But if that happens, then
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: they probably have a pretty good offensive line because they
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: hit on three draft picks on the offensive line. Seana
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: Vancouver's with you on the Seattle Thing Week one. Okay,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: he says it's for selfish reasons partially, but he doesn't
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: want them to be the first game either.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: I just want I think there's something to be saying.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: I know they lost the.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: Opener last year and then went on and when fourteen
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: and three and made the Super Bowl. I just think
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: that there's something to be said for getting off to
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: a good start to seasons. I still think that that
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: matters statistically. It's there's been some outliers recently, but like
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: there was a time recently where teams have started oh
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: and two, like never made the playoffs, right, you know
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: that that was like a death sentence.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's as much recently.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's gotten a little bit better on that front,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: but I think that's still possible. Do you have any
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: other schedule predictions while we're on it. I honestly have
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: not seen it, but do we I assume we're they're
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: opening against Seattle. I don't think Kirk would throw that
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: out there if he didn't have a pretty good source
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: on it. So opening the season against Seattle week ten
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: in Germany, probably a week eleven by, I think Thanksgiving
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: is out.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: I mean unless they get that random.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: Which I hate.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: By the way, Like this is something that's starting to
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: bug me about the NFL. It's you know, the whole
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: pigs get slaughtered.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: Sure, no, this is a real problem. So I can
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: do that whole rant right now if you want.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, we can. You can do it in a second.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: I'll set you up for it.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: And I swear to God, I'm doing this the third time.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to just to do this to talk
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: about basketball. But there's certain nights and days that it's
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: okay to let the other sports have their day, like Christmas.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: Like Christmas has always been an nbad that though the
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: night before Thanksgiving has always been a just an it's
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: not a it's not a football day. It's you go
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: out with your high school friends at at the bar
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: in your hometown and you.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Get dropped something you love to do. I love it.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: It's one of the It's on the top of my list,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: you know. But that's like, I that's what you do.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: Like Black Friday here in Boston is Red Sox or
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: Red Sox Bruins Celtics doubleheader, right, Like, that's that's Black
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: Friday in Boston.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: The NFL doesn't have to own everything, so it doesn't
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: have to run the otherly is irrelevant to this because
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: the NFL is still king. My bigger issue is part
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: of what's great about the NFL is the rarity of it.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: That's always been what's great. And an NFL Sunday, you know,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: even to your point, if I talk about like an
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: NBA Saturday, that doesn't mean that doesn't actually mean anything, right, right,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: an NFL Sunday. And they've already, by the way, they've
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: already said fu kick Rocks to the four to twenty
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: five window. It's maybe three games. One of them is
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: always the Cardinals getting their doors blown off.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: They're watering down the Sunday PA.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: They have said f you to the four o'clock window
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: for years now. Now, I mean you're talking about it
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be on every day of the week. I get
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: they want to be on every day of the week,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: but you're getting rid of and maybe the NFL is
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: too big to fail. Maybe I don't want them to
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: test it.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you will get.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: Look, they're never gonna be baseball playing one hundred and
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: sixty two games. But one of baseball's biggest problems is
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: there's no urgency in watching baseball. The regular season games
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: don't mean anything because the season's long enough enough teams
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs and it's on every day. So and
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: again this is an extreme example, but they're gonna go
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: to eighteen games in twenty weeks. They're gonna start playing
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: five days a week, and it's it's they're gonna probably
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: add a nother team to the playoffs. The rate they're
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: watering down the regular season, you're gonna have less games
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: on Sundays, spread they're spread out more, and now you're
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: doubling up on the primetime games. The special thing about
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: the prime it's prime time. It's everybody, it's all eyes
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: on you. That's a cool thing. The entire football world
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: is watching this game, and oh no, we're gonna have
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Monday night games on up against each other on different networks.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: That takes out the whole it's called a standalone window.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: It's not a standalone game now. And you just know
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: they're gonna line up to do this on Thursday nights too.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: By the way, the bread crumbs are there for.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: That at least start to at least stagger the start time.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: So here's the and I know people hate it.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna do the primetime doubleheader, it has to
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: be seven and ten o'clock for the whole point of
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: what a primetime game is.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that's like NBA coast to coast. It's you know,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: there's an East Coast game in, there's West coast.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Let them be in the basketball. We don't do that
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: exclusive window thing because there's always a game on, right,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe like Saturday night Sunday night. Yeah, but
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: I just I am a little worried about them watering
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: it down.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: I'm worried about I think the Sunday watering down is
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: a very good not just not just.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: Taking away from the Sunday slate, but also Thursday night
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Sunday all day, Monday night that and you want to
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: do a couple of Saturday games late in the year
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: when college fine, right, kind of like standalone window, right,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: the whole calendar is gone. But like now it's all right,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: We're gonna open on Wednesday, then play Thursday. Are they
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: doing a Friday game this year?
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: They do?
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: It's a Thursday game.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: It's okay. But then like they're trying to play some
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: more Saturdays. They're gonna play Sunday, They're gonna double header
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: on Monday, and then you know, and then okay, when
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: you get to Christmas and New Year's it's gonna be
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: like four game, four games a week, and it's just no,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be an event, and when you play
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: every night, it's not an event anymore. So I would
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: be And maybe I'm yelling about nothing because it's oh,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: it's the NFL, people always gonna watch, are always going.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: But the other part about it, sorry, one more thing,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: that's okay. It makes the product worse. The players need
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: time to rest and prepare, The teams need time to
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  Speaker 1: rest and prepare. What is going to Australia in Week one?
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  Speaker 1: Gonna do to the Rams and the Niners who, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, also have to go to Mexico City.
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  Speaker 3: Like the Niners got mad that they were going to
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  Speaker 3: Australia and the league said, f you, now you're also
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  Speaker 3: going to.
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  Speaker 1: Mexican You gotta and I profit above all. Fine, it's
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  Speaker 1: a business. You don't want to do it. To the point,
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  Speaker 1: remember some of those game like Christmas games last year,
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  Speaker 1: they forced on short weeks and it was bad football.
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  Speaker 1: So I think you got to give these teams an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to actually rest and prepare for these games.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed on all fronts, I think that the one thing,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm sure that you know, our listeners would back
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  Speaker 3: this up. We don't do this where with the Patriots
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: and covering the Patriots games. But I know from you know,
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  Speaker 3: my wife and my family like red Zone Sunday is
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: like what they do, right They sit there on their
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: couch on Sundays and they watch the Patriots, but they
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  Speaker 3: also watch red Zone. And if you start watering down
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: the Sunday slate more and more and more, now red
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  Speaker 3: Zone as an entity becomes less and less interesting, right,
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  Speaker 3: like it just that, right, and itself becomes less interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So if I was the league, like I think red
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  Speaker 3: Zone is one of the most important elements of this
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  Speaker 3: whole thing. It ties together fantasy, it ties together gambling,
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  Speaker 3: and it ties together like diehard fans that want to
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: see as much football as possible on a Sunday. If
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: you take that slate and now there's fewer games in
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: that slate, there's fewer good games in that slate, Like
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  Speaker 3: there were some Sundays last week last year where the
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: Sunday slate just kind of stunk, like it just there
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't any good matchups, Like there wasn't five games, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so I would worry about that element of it too,
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  Speaker 3: Like Sunday's still needs to be the day, Like Sunday
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: still needs to have some real ammo, like a real
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: punching power.
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  Speaker 1: The thing you always heard about the NFL is the
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: NFL is so powerful that it owns a day of
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: the week, Which was true. Yeah, don't give that up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, guess what now the Patriots might open the season
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: on a Wednesday, and then they're gonna have a Thursday
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: game in Australia, and then they're gonna have a Sunday
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  Speaker 3: and Monday game.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: I sent you it's gonna be for joke. Earlier, somebody
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: tweeted out all the holidays, the Patriots. The NFL is
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: playing on us like, and the Patriots are playing on
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: every single one of them. They'll have a team play
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: New Year's even New Year's Day.
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  Speaker 3: If they think they'll make money off the The Wednesday
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  Speaker 3: before Thanksgivick is the one that I just can't like.
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  Speaker 1: Why just just why?
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it for today's show.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be back next week here on Catch twenty two
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: PEU tomorrow at his normal time at noon.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: Schedule release tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna hit social media at around seven thirty.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: I know the official launches eight o'clock is eight a clock.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: But they're letting teams go early because it's really like
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: a social media event, Like it's not really a TV event.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: It's more about content on social media and just like
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: get the schedule on your phone and things like that.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: So tomorrow'll be the big day. I'm sure there'll be
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: leaks earlier in the day that we cannot confirm here,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: so don't come call in on that. But we'll talk
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  Speaker 3: to you guys tomorrow on PU and next week here
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: on cash Pointy.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see then. Hey, this is Deuce, thanks for tuning
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