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Guest Hosts: The Type C Toolbox with Dr. Kore Glied & Anna White · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the special guest host series of The Trauma
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  Speaker 1: Therapist Podcast, where I'm going to be handing over to
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  Speaker 1: Mic to some incredible guest hosts. In each episode, you'll
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  Speaker 1: hear fresh perspectives and unique insights to inform and inspire
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  Speaker 1: you in all the while keeping the heart of this
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  Speaker 1: podcast alive. So sit back and enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: Hello to all of the Trauma Therapist podcast listeners. We're
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  Speaker 2: so excited to be your guest host today. We are
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  Speaker 2: Anna White and doctor Corey Glead of Type C Toolbox,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking to doctor Christy Jackson. First,
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  Speaker 2: we want to thank Guy for inviting us to take
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  Speaker 2: part in this guest host series. We're super excited. Just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about each one of us. I this
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  Speaker 2: is Anna talking. I am a former Wall Street executive.
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  Speaker 2: I had a very serious issue with my health. For
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  Speaker 2: many years, I struggled with chronic illness and I eventually
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  Speaker 2: relate it back to these type SEE traits which a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people haven't heard of. They are being accessively conscientious,
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  Speaker 2: overly responsible, taking the way of the world on our shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: We really can't bear disappointing or letting anybody down.
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  Speaker 3: We have a hard time with boundaries. We don't communicate
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  Speaker 3: well anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I chanced upon a description of this personality type, raised
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  Speaker 2: it with Corey, who's a good friend of mine, and
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  Speaker 2: we decided that we really needed to educate people about
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  Speaker 2: this personality type. It's very important, it's very common, and
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  Speaker 2: so we have this initiative now that's educational in nature.
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  Speaker 4: So Anna came to me and told me about this,
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  Speaker 4: and I had actually never heard about type SEE before,
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  Speaker 4: but it described a lot of the patients I see.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a clinical psychologist. I live in New York City.
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  Speaker 4: I practice evidence based medicine for adults with anxiety, depression,
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  Speaker 4: and sleep issues. And it really felt like a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the patients I've seen over the years have struggled
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  Speaker 4: with this these type seed trade and it has affected
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  Speaker 4: their mental and physical well being. And so was born
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  Speaker 4: about two years ago, our initiative, which also has a podcast.
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  Speaker 4: But today we're going to be talking about really important
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  Speaker 4: topic with doctor Jackson. Doctor Jackson and I met many
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  Speaker 4: moons ago at the beginning of our career. At least
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  Speaker 4: it was very early on for me. I was just
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  Speaker 4: finishing graduate school and learning trauma resilient therapy. In an
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  Speaker 4: NIH trial research trial, and so Christy and I share
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  Speaker 4: a love of trying to make sure that we are
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  Speaker 4: giving people effective treatment that has been studied and examined. So, Christy,
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  Speaker 4: doctor Jackson, do you want to tell a little bit
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  Speaker 4: about yourself?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely? Hi everyone, Thank you so much, Corey, thank you
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  Speaker 5: so much.
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  Speaker 4: Anna.
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  Speaker 5: So my name is doctor Christy Jackson. I'm a clinical psychologist.
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  Speaker 5: I've been practicing in New York City for over twenty
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  Speaker 5: years now, and from the beginning, I've really devoted my
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  Speaker 5: practice to the treatment of individuals affected by trauma.
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  Speaker 6: I saw early in my career.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, I was during my internship that I realized that
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  Speaker 5: working with individuals affected by trauma was so incredibly meaningful
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  Speaker 5: and powerful to me, and so I got some specialized
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  Speaker 5: training in that and I've been doing that ever since,
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  Speaker 5: doing both clinical work as well as research.
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  Speaker 6: So thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: So sir, A lot of people in our types community
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  Speaker 2: have experienced trauma in some form.
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  Speaker 3: This might have been acute in childhood.
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  Speaker 2: It might have been physical abuse, sexual abuse, or it
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  Speaker 2: might have been more of like a slow burn living
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  Speaker 2: in a household where you may have just been consistently
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  Speaker 2: invalidated and from these average childhood experiences, our types of
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  Speaker 2: community may have learned that their needs weren't as important
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  Speaker 2: as other people's, and we developed this strong belief that
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  Speaker 2: we might be lesser in some way than others. So
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  Speaker 2: we know you frequently see this in your practice, and
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  Speaker 2: how do you help people with this? How do you
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  Speaker 2: help them find a sense of purpose? And tell us
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit more about your approach and these issues.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, I see this all the time in the
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  Speaker 5: work that I do with folks affected by trauma. And
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  Speaker 5: if you think about the nature of trauma, especially childhood trauma,
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  Speaker 5: the message is that we get based upon what we
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  Speaker 5: learn from our caregivers. It really does kind of set
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  Speaker 5: us up to have those types beliefs, like my needs
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  Speaker 5: are not as important as other people's needs.
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  Speaker 6: What right do I have to say?
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  Speaker 5: No, No one's going to care what I think, what
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  Speaker 5: I don't know? If I like skim milk or whole
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  Speaker 5: milk in my coffee, who cares? You know, I'll just
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  Speaker 5: do what other people tell me to do. And so
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  Speaker 5: I do absolutely see this all the time. I think
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  Speaker 5: it's very much connected to trauma, or can be very
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  Speaker 5: much connected to childhood trauma. And how I love to
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  Speaker 5: help people deal with that is first of all, validate
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  Speaker 5: the roots of those beliefs. So rather than saying you're
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  Speaker 5: wrong for having those kind of type see beliefs, I say, well,
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  Speaker 5: of course it makes sense. You have the belief that
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  Speaker 5: if you ask for help no one will care, or
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  Speaker 5: if you say no, you will be punished, because that
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  Speaker 5: is exactly what happened to you during that traumatic experience.
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  Speaker 5: And it's only then after validating the roots of those
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  Speaker 5: beliefs that people begin to see, oh, yes, that actually
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  Speaker 5: wasn't my fault. It's actually not because I'm weak or
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  Speaker 5: damaged or terrible. It's because of what happened to me.
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  Speaker 5: And hey, I'm a person too. I can I can
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  Speaker 5: ask for something, I can make a request for something.
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  Speaker 5: And then I teach people the skills for how to
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  Speaker 5: actually ask for help or say no, which we are not.
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  Speaker 6: Born learning how.
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  Speaker 5: We don't know how to say I know unless somebody
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  Speaker 5: teaches us right how to do that skillfully. So doing
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  Speaker 5: role plays and helping people try out in the therapy
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  Speaker 5: session before they go out into the real world. You know,
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  Speaker 5: here's how you can ask for something. I just have
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  Speaker 5: a client the other day where we were talking about
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  Speaker 5: it's okay for you to make choices. You can say
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  Speaker 5: what you want and you can make a choice. And
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  Speaker 5: so for her, she's experimenting with what turn style am
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  Speaker 5: I going to go through when I go get on
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  Speaker 5: the subway in these little ways, beginning to see nothing
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  Speaker 5: catastrophic is going to happen to me if I've set
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  Speaker 5: a boundary or if I choose to go right even
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  Speaker 5: though you told me.
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  Speaker 6: To go left. I love that.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just so helpful to remind people that
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  Speaker 4: the best way to start is with small steps, and
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  Speaker 4: also just validating their experience is so important. Recognizing you're
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  Speaker 4: not crazy for feeling that, and how can we separate
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  Speaker 4: the past from the present so then you can start
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  Speaker 4: making those small steps forward, recognizing what is safe that no,
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  Speaker 4: maybe didn't used to feel safe because of a lot
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  Speaker 4: of valid reasons. So, Christy, we'd love to ask a
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  Speaker 4: little bit about exploring for our listeners who many people
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  Speaker 4: with TYPESEE traits can really struggle with finding purpose, accepting
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  Speaker 4: their importance. So many people with Typese traits, and many
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  Speaker 4: people who've been traumatized can struggle with this feeling lesser,
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  Speaker 4: feeling not worthy, having a difficult time saying no, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we were mentioning that earlier and acknowledging that you have needs.
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  Speaker 4: Tell us a little bit about how you know. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: do you see this a lot in some of your
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  Speaker 4: trauma patients and how do you go about helping patients
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  Speaker 4: with this?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, I see that all the time, especially when
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  Speaker 5: folks have experienced trauma. Figuring out, well, how what does
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  Speaker 5: this mean for me? What does this mean for my life?
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  Speaker 5: How can I really live a life worth living?
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  Speaker 6: Going forward?
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  Speaker 5: Beginning and so creating some kind of sense of meaning
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  Speaker 5: can be really helpful for people related to the trauma.
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  Speaker 6: That's not always possible.
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  Speaker 5: It kind of depends on the traumatic experience, actually, But
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  Speaker 5: what I really think is that the that is developing
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  Speaker 5: a sense of self compassion. So the purpose is that
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  Speaker 5: I'm a person just like you, just like that guide intry,
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  Speaker 5: just like someone across the world. We're all in this together,
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  Speaker 5: all people, and if you are human, you have rights
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  Speaker 5: and you have right to create a life for yourself.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that's the most important thing we as
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  Speaker 5: clinicians can do to help people move on and not
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  Speaker 5: only recover from trauma, but create a wonderful life that
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  Speaker 5: includes purpose and meaning.
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  Speaker 4: Can I just add once, can you like give us
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  Speaker 4: an example of one thing that you might help someone, say,
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  Speaker 4: who's struggling with that, how they might be more compassion
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  Speaker 4: to themselves. Can you just add a little bit more
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  Speaker 4: to that.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: So, one thing that I talk a lot with folks about,
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  Speaker 5: and most people who have experienced trauma really do struggle
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  Speaker 5: with having self compassion is first of all, acknowledging.
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  Speaker 6: That they are a person too. And there are a
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  Speaker 6: number of ways that I do that.
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  Speaker 5: So one is there's there's a handout that I often
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  Speaker 5: give to people called the Basic Personal Rights, and it says,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I have the right to be angry. I
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  Speaker 5: have the right to say no. And so just really like.
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  Speaker 6: Let's just level the playing field. Whether you've had trauma
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  Speaker 6: or not, you.
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  Speaker 5: Have rights, and you are a person and you deserve
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  Speaker 5: happiness and compassion.
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  Speaker 6: So that's one way.
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  Speaker 5: Another way is to become mindful of those negative messages
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  Speaker 5: that we are always sending ourselves, understand that self critical voice,
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  Speaker 5: and some people, like Kristin Neff's work with self compassion,
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  Speaker 5: say let's even befriend that critical inner voice and have
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  Speaker 5: gratitude even for that critical inner voice, because it got
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  Speaker 5: us somewhere, It's served important functions along the way. And
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  Speaker 5: now say thank you boys, thank you critical self for
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  Speaker 5: telling me I'm not worthy, And you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to.
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  Speaker 6: Just act as if I'm going to act opposite.
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  Speaker 5: To that and act as though I am worthy, and
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  Speaker 5: just see what happens, or maybe even ask themselves what
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  Speaker 5: would they say to a dear friend? And we often
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  Speaker 5: find it easier to be compassionate toward others than we
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  Speaker 5: are toward ourselves, and so what would we say to
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  Speaker 5: someone else who was struggling, and so really working that
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  Speaker 5: way to help people begin to cultivate the sense of
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  Speaker 5: self compassion.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we do know that these are big changes for
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  Speaker 2: people that have been operating in these fault patterns for
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  Speaker 2: a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm exhibit A here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you've got these deep, deeply ingrained beliefs that
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  Speaker 2: have been driving you for so many years.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's interesting. We talked recently on.
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  Speaker 2: Our podcast with Elizabeth Lesser of the Amega Institute, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, we talked a lot about this human tendency
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  Speaker 2: to resist change and to resist pain, and so how
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  Speaker 2: do you work with your patients on being more open
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  Speaker 2: to change and finding meaning and purpose in their pain.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I think this is such a great question. I mean, really,
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  Speaker 5: who wants to feel pain?
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  Speaker 6: Right? I mean I don't want to feel pain? Who does?
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  Speaker 5: And so avoiding pain, of course, it's a natural human inclination,
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  Speaker 5: and it's really at the heart of PTSD. PTSD is
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  Speaker 5: all about avoidance. It's avoiding facing things that happen, avoiding
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  Speaker 5: feelings related to things that happen, and that is really
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  Speaker 5: what perpetuates that disorder.
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  Speaker 6: So my job is.
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  Speaker 5: To help people begin slowly over time, teaching them skills
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  Speaker 5: to tolerate the distress so that they then can engage
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  Speaker 5: in that approach behavior rather than that avoidance behavior. So
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  Speaker 5: helping people see that nothing catastrophic will happen. That's really
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  Speaker 5: such a big part of what happens with traumas that
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  Speaker 5: people developed this belief that if they avoid certain things
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  Speaker 5: they can prevent more traumatic experiences from happening, or if
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  Speaker 5: they with type see behaviors, if they put other people's
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  Speaker 5: needs first, then it'll it'll keep them safe essentially, And
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  Speaker 5: what I think is so important is to help people
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  Speaker 5: see that they can approach things, and that it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: mean something catastrophic will happen. And there's this interesting kind
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  Speaker 5: of illusion of control that I think as humans we
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  Speaker 5: all develop where if we do certain things, we think
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  Speaker 5: then nothing bad will happen, trauma or not, types C
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  Speaker 5: or not. We all have these kind of beliefs if
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  Speaker 5: I do certain things, I'll have control over what happens.
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  Speaker 6: And a lot of my work.
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  Speaker 5: Is helping people see, let's not sacrifice this perceived control
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  Speaker 5: for being happy in the present and experimenting and again
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  Speaker 5: like seeing in the real world, getting gathering evidence in
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  Speaker 5: the here today, again, I can go down, I can
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  Speaker 5: choose that turnstyle instead of that other turnstyle.
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  Speaker 6: I can turn.
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  Speaker 5: Left instead of right and see that it's okay. And
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  Speaker 5: I educate people about what you said is exactly right, Anna,
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  Speaker 5: that we do create these grooves in our brain over time.
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  Speaker 6: Research shows we have these grooves in our brain. So
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  Speaker 6: we have to work really hard.
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  Speaker 5: We have to be mindful, and I'm really I'm up
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  Speaker 5: front with people this this is hard work.
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  Speaker 6: I'm basically asking you to go.
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  Speaker 5: Outside your comfort zone right now, act opposite to your
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  Speaker 5: initial urge, try this new thing. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: be with you. I'm going to be with you every
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  Speaker 5: step of the way. You're not alone in this. And
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  Speaker 5: then when people begin to gather this evidence, Oh, I
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  Speaker 5: asked for this book at the library and I got it.
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  Speaker 5: I said no to my work colleague. I really didn't
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  Speaker 5: want to have lunch with her, and I said no,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm okay, nothing bad happened.
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  Speaker 6: People begin to see, Oh, things can be different now.
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  Speaker 5: And it creates a wonderful sense of hope and opportunity
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  Speaker 5: and possibilities.
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  Speaker 4: I think that also one of the things that you're
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  Speaker 4: reminding me of when we talk with Elizabeth Lesser about pain.
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  Speaker 4: Also that I think is a good point here is
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  Speaker 4: that sometimes we learn the most from our pain. That
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  Speaker 4: although it can be very, very difficult, when we are
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  Speaker 4: in that moment in time that she talks about this
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  Speaker 4: phoenix process, which I thought was so interesting and this
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  Speaker 4: kind of rising from the ashes. You know, sometimes not
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  Speaker 4: no one wants to be in that place, but sometimes
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  Speaker 4: we have to get to a pretty rock bottom place
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  Speaker 4: to realize I have to do something different, I have
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  Speaker 4: to be brave to try something. I'm terrified, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I feel lesser, and so I'm so terrified to put
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  Speaker 4: my needs first. It just is such a feeling of
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  Speaker 4: fear and sometimes really doing these things, these small steps,
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  Speaker 4: and we can learn that even though they can really
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  Speaker 4: want to encourage small steps, it can be really hard.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that sometimes we do learn tremendously from
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  Speaker 4: these extremely painful, painful experiences. Anna, you want to say something, I.
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  Speaker 2: Just wanted to validate your point on having to hit
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  Speaker 2: rock bottom. I mean, for me, you know, I just
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  Speaker 2: got to the point where I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that I'm actually going to survive. My health is
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  Speaker 2: so poor and if I am going to make it
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  Speaker 2: in this life, I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: To have to do something to change.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think that, you know, sometimes it has
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  Speaker 2: to take that really acute, significant event before you are
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  Speaker 2: more open to change.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So, oh sorry, Chrissy.
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  Speaker 5: I was just going to say to your So, it's
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  Speaker 5: such a difficult situation for a person to be in.
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  Speaker 5: On the one hand, continuing down this path is not
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  Speaker 5: going to be helpful. It's potentially incredibly harmful. On the
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  Speaker 5: other hand, it's so terrifying. And I was just going
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  Speaker 5: to say Corey that it's so terrifying. It actually can
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  Speaker 5: feel like life or death. It actually can elicit that
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  Speaker 5: fight flight or freeze reaction that it feels like I
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  Speaker 5: might actually die if I do this.
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  Speaker 6: So helping people see that.
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  Speaker 5: Feeling is real, but the facts and the present may
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  Speaker 5: not be real.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think these are all really important points. So,
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  Speaker 4: speaking of pain, we Anna and I have been talking
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  Speaker 4: a lot about on our Instagram and podcasts that I
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't be laughing. A lot of people right now are
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  Speaker 4: going home for the holidays and are going back into
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  Speaker 4: what could be a very challenging environment. Maybe there was
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  Speaker 4: some sort of abuse or in validation, or maybe you
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  Speaker 4: have to go back and see an abuser. So it
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  Speaker 4: could obviously be quite traumatizing. And this is the case
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  Speaker 4: for a lot of people with Type C, and probably
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  Speaker 4: many people have experienced trauma. So we'd just love to
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  Speaker 4: talk a little bit about how do you manage you know,
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  Speaker 4: what's your advice related to that? How do you guide people?
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's obviously there's always the option to cut
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  Speaker 4: off contact, and you know that's always an option, So
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  Speaker 4: just kind of thinking about, you know, what are your
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  Speaker 4: thoughts about that.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I think that's such a great question and obviously
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  Speaker 5: such a timely question as we move into the holidays,
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  Speaker 5: And I think that it really depends on what are
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  Speaker 5: a person's goals, And if it's an important relationship with
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  Speaker 5: their family that they want to maintain, then I would
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  Speaker 5: help them set realistic expectations and figure out how to
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  Speaker 5: skillfully set boundaries, so saying no as needed, asking for
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  Speaker 5: help as needed, and then a really big.
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  Speaker 6: Dose of coping ahead.
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  Speaker 5: So how can you navigate this environment to make yourself
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  Speaker 5: to reduce the distress as much as possible. So, for example,
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  Speaker 5: if the person's going home for an extended weekend or something,
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  Speaker 5: and they're going to be in the same house with
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  Speaker 5: difficult family members, maybe scheduling in activities that they would
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  Speaker 5: do either with the family or without so that it's
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  Speaker 5: not just kind of sitting around.
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  Speaker 6: And getting out of.
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  Speaker 5: The space, like going and running errands, or making plans
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  Speaker 5: with friends outside of the family, things like that, and
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  Speaker 5: then some backup plans. So who are people you can
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  Speaker 5: call when you need help in that situation?
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  Speaker 6: What kinds of skills.
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  Speaker 5: Can you use, like deep breathing, running hot or cold
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  Speaker 5: water over your hands, holding ice or something like that,
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  Speaker 5: so that you can navigate that skillfully without without making
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  Speaker 5: the situation worse and I think for everyone it's different.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's important as clinicians that we don't put
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  Speaker 5: our own biases onto what people's goals are when they
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  Speaker 5: are around family members again who may not be so
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  Speaker 5: helpful for them in their lives.
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  Speaker 4: That's a very good point.
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  Speaker 3: We have to wrap soon, but we want to end
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  Speaker 3: with one final question.
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  Speaker 2: When I was going through my very dark dark time,
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  Speaker 2: there were a lot of things that helped me. Seeing
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  Speaker 2: a therapist help me, going back to the basics with
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: nutrition and movement and all that helped me.
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  Speaker 3: But I read so many great books that really got
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  Speaker 3: me through some dark times.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious if there are any that you really
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  Speaker 2: recommend to your patients that seemed to help them find
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  Speaker 2: purpose and meaning.
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  Speaker 5: I think that the number one book for helping people
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  Speaker 5: find purpose and meaning is one of my favorite books,
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  Speaker 5: Man Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel. Some of you
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: might be familiar with that book. Victor Frankel was a
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  Speaker 5: psychiatrist who was imprisoned in a concentration camp during World
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  Speaker 5: War Two, and he actually wrote about his experience as
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  Speaker 5: a prisoner and how even in the absolute worst situations
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  Speaker 5: a person could be in and some of the worst
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: things that we might hear about humanity. Even when that
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  Speaker 5: was going on, people still need meaning, People still search
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  Speaker 5: for meaning and purpose in their lives.
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  Speaker 6: And so it's not an easy read. It's not a
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  Speaker 6: long read. It's a short book, but it's not an
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  Speaker 6: easy read.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't you know, I recommend it cautiously to folks,
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  Speaker 5: and certainly we talk about what comes up for people as.
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  Speaker 6: They read it.
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  Speaker 5: But it can be so empowering and really speaks to
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  Speaker 5: the idea that trauma is not a life sentence. Trauma
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  Speaker 5: can actually lead to beautiful growth and as Corey said,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: like a phoenix rising from the ashes. For clinicians too,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: it can be working with folks who experienced trauma, it
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  Speaker 5: can really lead to amazing growth personal growth.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we only have a short time together. I feel
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: like we could just keep going and talk so much more.
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  Speaker 4: But I want to say thank you so much, doctor
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  Speaker 4: Christy Jackson. But before we wrap, can you tell us
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  Speaker 4: a little bit about where we can find you? Are
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: you taking new patients? All of those details.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, So I can be found at Evolution Trauma
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  Speaker 5: Wellness dot com. That's the website and it's my practice
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  Speaker 5: where I do focus on working with individuals affected by trauma.
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  Speaker 5: And also the wellness piece is very important because it's
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  Speaker 5: for all of us, not only folks who have experienced trauma,
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  Speaker 5: but for all of us to really lead our best lives.
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  Speaker 6: I think the.
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  Speaker 5: Wellness piece is so key. And yes we are accepting
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: clients at this time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, And just to state where people can find
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: us if you're interested in the Type C Toolbox initiative.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: We have a website types toolbox dot com. We have
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a podcast that's on all the standard podcast platforms also
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: called TYPEC Toolbox, and our Instagram.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: At type C Toolbox. So thanks to everybody for listening.
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  Speaker 2: We hope you've taken some valuable insights away from this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: We know we have, and thanks again to Guy for
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: allowing us to guest host like five