Latest / Pod Save America / "Half past a Handmaid’s Tale.” (LIVE from Brooklyn)
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- 0:01Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
- 0:41Speaker 2: What's up, Brooklyn? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
- 0:54Speaker 3: I'm Akilah Hughes.
- 0:58Speaker 1: I'm John Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
- 1:04Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
- 1:07Speaker 2: Later in the show, we will talk to one Attorney
- 1:10Speaker 2: General who's not afraid of investigating Donald Trump. New York's
- 1:13Speaker 2: Letitia James is here. And Donald Trump is here in
- 1:22Speaker 2: New York somewhere. We were almost late for the show.
- 1:28Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:28Speaker 2: A lot of traffic.
- 1:30Speaker 1: A lot of traffic. All right.
- 1:32Speaker 2: We have a lot of news to talk about from
- 1:34Speaker 2: this week. Not all of it's that great. On Wednesday,
- 1:40Speaker 2: Governor Kay Ivey signed the most extreme anti-abortion legislation.
- 1:47Speaker 1: You've heard of this.
- 1:49Speaker 2: Some of the most extreme anti-abortion legislation in the country
- 1:53Speaker 2: into law, which would outlaw abortion by making it a
- 1:55Speaker 2: felony for doctors to perform the procedure, even in cases
- 1:58Speaker 2: of rape or incest, a felony punishable by up to
- 2:01Speaker 2: 99 years in prison. Republican politicians have pushed similar abortion
- 2:05Speaker 2: bans in states like Ohio, Georgia, Mississippi, Kentucky, and today, Missouri. Akilah,
- 2:14Speaker 2: what are the... practical effects of abortion bans and restrictions
- 2:17Speaker 2: like these, do they actually stop women from getting an abortion?
- 2:21Speaker 6: No, they don't.
- 2:22Speaker 7: Stop women from getting abortions. They just force women to
- 2:25Speaker 7: have unsafe abortions. Honestly, I hope that there's a hell
- 2:30Speaker 7: for her sake.
- 2:31Speaker 3: She can burn there.
- 2:35Speaker 6: And, you know, I live in Brooklyn and I.
- 2:39Speaker 7: Squad, I'm pandering hard, but I'm from the South and... See,
- 2:46Speaker 7: a lot of people in New York are not from
- 2:48Speaker 7: New York. And I gotta say, I wasn't surprised that
- 2:52Speaker 7: this is the way it went. I know my entire
- 2:54Speaker 7: life it has been just a fight for women to
- 2:57Speaker 7: maintain the rights of Roe v.
- 2:58Speaker 1: Wade.
- 2:59Speaker 7: And it's very disheartening, but we gonna get through this.
- 3:06Speaker 2: Tommy, Planned Parenthood called this the most extreme abortion ban
- 3:08Speaker 2: since Roe v. Wade was decided. And even Governor Ivey
- 3:13Speaker 2: acknowledged when she signed the bill that this Alabama law
- 3:17Speaker 2: may be unenforceable. So if she thinks it's unenforceable, what
- 3:21Speaker 2: is the strategy behind passing a bill like this?
- 3:25Speaker 1: It's a very good question.
- 3:26Speaker 8: I mean, even Pat Robertson said that the bill might
- 3:28Speaker 8: have been a little too extreme for him, which I
- 3:31Speaker 8: think tells you a lot.
- 3:32Speaker 2: Pat Robertson who thinks that feminism causes witchcraft.
- 3:36Speaker 3: It does.
- 3:36Speaker 1: And maybe also hurricanes. I believe he has a very
- 3:40Speaker 1: checkered record on what causes hurricanes. And it's a lot
- 3:44Speaker 1: of gay stuff.
- 3:47Speaker 8: So I think there's a pretty long history of Republicans
- 3:51Speaker 8: who say absolutely outrageous, crazy.
- 3:55Speaker 1: Things on this issue and lose elections.
- 3:57Speaker 8: We all probably remember Todd Akin, who talked about how
- 4:00Speaker 8: there was legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape. And he said
- 4:04Speaker 8: that the body had a way of preventing pregnancies in
- 4:07Speaker 8: the case of some race, which is the craziest fucking
- 4:10Speaker 8: thing ever. He was a Senate candidate from Missouri who
- 4:13Speaker 8: was later destroyed. So I think that there is a
- 4:18Speaker 8: very real and legitimate fear that all these anti-choice bills
- 4:21Speaker 8: that are passing in states across the country are designed
- 4:24Speaker 8: to get challenged in courts and then run up to
- 4:25Speaker 8: the Supreme Court. I'm not an expert on this, but
- 4:28Speaker 8: I do think that it's probably more likely that a
- 4:30Speaker 8: bill like the one that was passed in Louisiana that—
- 4:34Speaker 8: you know, sort of reduced abortion access at the margins
- 4:37Speaker 8: by saying doctors who work in these clinics need to
- 4:40Speaker 8: have admitting privileges at local hospitals, which is an incredibly
- 4:43Speaker 8: onerous requirement, which would reduce the number of abortion providers
- 4:47Speaker 8: in the state and reduce access. That's more likely to
- 4:49Speaker 8: be the kind of thing that gets to the Supreme
- 4:51Speaker 8: Court and will slowly chip away at abortion rights or,
- 4:55Speaker 8: you know, ultimately lead to an overturning of Roe versus Wade.
- 4:57Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 4:58Speaker 2: And it does seem like right now, our hopes are
- 5:01Speaker 2: hanging on John Roberts.
- 5:02Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not good.
- 5:03Speaker 2: Of all people being the swing vote on.
- 5:06Speaker 1: John Roberts, he was the one on the plane with
- 5:08Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell and Pence, right?
- 5:09Speaker 5: Yes.
- 5:09Speaker 1: That's who it is.
- 5:10Speaker 2: What were they doing on the plane together?
- 5:12Speaker 1: Did anyone? Dick Luger's funeral.
- 5:14Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay. Likely cover story. They were making small talk, huh?
- 5:18Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 5:20Speaker 2: Dan, I want to talk about the politics of these
- 5:21Speaker 2: abortion bans. Here's a New York Times headline that just
- 5:26Speaker 2: posted before we came on stage. Republicans' messaging on abortion
- 5:31Speaker 2: puts Democrats on the defensive. It says that, yeah, this
- 5:35Speaker 2: is okay. This story goes on to say, Republicans have
- 5:38Speaker 2: reset the terms of the debate, quote, forcing the Democrats
- 5:41Speaker 2: to reassess how they should respond to attacks that portray
- 5:45Speaker 2: the party as extremist on abortion. That would be the
- 5:48Speaker 2: Democratic Party as extremist on abortion. Does that track with
- 5:52Speaker 2: your assessment, Dan?
- 5:54Speaker 4: I just spontaneously combusted over that headline.
- 5:58Speaker 1: I think it.
- 6:00Speaker 4: Is sort of, it feels almost uncomfortable to talk about
- 6:02Speaker 4: the politics here because of what is at stake, right?
- 6:05Speaker 4: Like this is the actual, this is a life and
- 6:08Speaker 4: death situation for a.
- 6:09Speaker 1: Lot of women.
- 6:09Speaker 4: And that's at stake here. But these decisions are made
- 6:12Speaker 4: by politicians. So in that sense, the politics does matter.
- 6:15Speaker 4: And when you look at the individual incremental, put it
- 6:21Speaker 4: Alabama side, the individual incremental efforts to chip away at
- 6:25Speaker 4: Roe versus Wade, many of those are popular. whether it's
- 6:29Speaker 4: the 20-week abortion bill that they took up in the
- 6:33Speaker 4: Senate a few years ago, when you use the term
- 6:35Speaker 4: heartbeat bill, you can get a plurality, in some cases
- 6:37Speaker 4: a majority, and some support for Democrats for that. But
- 6:39Speaker 4: when you talk about the idea of overturning Roe versus
- 6:42Speaker 4: Wade in banning abortion, that is a seven in 10
- 6:45Speaker 4: Americans oppose that. So you would think the politics are
- 6:48Speaker 4: bad for Republicans, but they will only be bad for
- 6:51Speaker 4: Republicans if Democrats make the right argument, right? And so
- 6:54Speaker 4: we can't get wrapped around the axle about the specifics.
- 6:58Speaker 4: We have to make the case, which is the Alabama
- 7:02Speaker 4: law is the position of the Republican Party. They may
- 7:06Speaker 4: tell you, that they think it's too extreme or they
- 7:11Speaker 4: want these exceptions. That is bullshit. They are mad at
- 7:14Speaker 4: Alabama because Alabama took the secret plan and put it
- 7:16Speaker 4: on the internet. And I think that's very important.
- 7:19Speaker 1: Because it is the natural, to completely.
- 7:23Speaker 4: Ban abortion in every instance, including rape and incest, is
- 7:26Speaker 4: the natural extension of the mainstream Republican position. And we
- 7:29Speaker 4: have to make the case that Republicans believe that women
- 7:32Speaker 4: do not have the right to control their bodies. And
- 7:35Speaker 4: that will be the consequence of losing the election in 2020,
- 7:39Speaker 4: both in the White House and everywhere down the ballot,
- 7:41Speaker 4: because it is only because we did not win elections
- 7:44Speaker 4: or run candidates in some of these states, in the
- 7:47Speaker 4: state legislative races in Georgia, Alabama, Missouri, Ohio, that they
- 7:51Speaker 4: can pass these bills.
- 7:58Speaker 1: Love it.
- 7:59Speaker 2: Do you think Republicans in swing states and Donald Trump
- 8:01Speaker 2: want these bans to be part of their campaigns in 2020?
- 8:04Speaker 2: I mean, just today, even House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy
- 8:09Speaker 2: said that he was opposed to the Alabama law.
- 8:12Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Dan's point is right. This
- 8:15Speaker 1: is obviously the logical extension of their position. The only
- 8:18Speaker 1: reason they don't adopt it is because they know it's
- 8:20Speaker 1: bad politics. I mean, you know, look, there really are
- 8:23Speaker 1: two kinds of winning coalitions. One of them is the
- 8:26Speaker 1: Republican one that runs the gamut from a chunk of
- 8:29Speaker 1: the population. It's a minority, but it's a big group
- 8:31Speaker 1: of people that are pro-life and take the maximal position.
- 8:34Speaker 1: And they can build a coalition with them all the
- 8:37Speaker 1: way to the middle for people that have, I think,
- 8:39Speaker 1: more complicated views on the subject. There's a democratic coalition
- 8:43Speaker 1: that runs from people who are pro-choice and are proudly
- 8:47Speaker 1: pro-choice and believe in protecting the autonomy of women, also
- 8:52Speaker 1: known as human beings.
- 8:53Speaker 2: And.
- 8:57Speaker 1: And there is a winning coalition that is built on
- 8:59Speaker 1: that base, plus a lot of people who, again, have
- 9:02Speaker 1: mixed feelings on this issue, which is why the debate
- 9:04Speaker 1: around abortion tends to be around trying to make the
- 9:07Speaker 1: other side seem extreme, because they know that especially in
- 9:09Speaker 1: the United States, which, being honest, tends to be more
- 9:12Speaker 1: conservative on this than some other countries, there is a
- 9:15Speaker 1: group of people in the middle that are able, that
- 9:19Speaker 1: will vote in both directions. And so, you know, the
- 9:22Speaker 1: idea that Democrats are on the defensive because Republicans have
- 9:27Speaker 1: expose the maximal position, I think is just not true,
- 9:30Speaker 1: which is why I think you will see Republicans take
- 9:33Speaker 1: that position. I mean, this was a debate that went
- 9:34Speaker 1: on during the Bush administration. George W. Bush appointed multiple
- 9:38Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices, and Roe versus Wade was upheld. You know,
- 9:43Speaker 1: the one thing I would add to all of this
- 9:45Speaker 1: is I think the question turning on will this Supreme
- 9:48Speaker 1: Court overturn Roe versus Wade may give them a little
- 9:52Speaker 1: too much political leeway, because ultimately, we may end up
- 9:56Speaker 1: in a position where they uphold Roe versus Wade while
- 10:00Speaker 1: using one of these state laws to dramatically restrict abortion
- 10:03Speaker 1: further than it's already been restricted by some other rulings.
- 10:06Speaker 1: And so I think we need to be clear about
- 10:08Speaker 1: that because I think there's a chance the way this
- 10:11Speaker 1: media environment operates, as this article is an example of
- 10:15Speaker 1: saying Democrats are on the defensive, that we will end
- 10:17Speaker 1: up in a position where Roe versus Wade is upheld,
- 10:19Speaker 1: women's rights are dramatically restricted, and it's seen as some
- 10:23Speaker 1: kind of common middle ground when actually what it is
- 10:26Speaker 1: is rolling the clock backwards for women's rights. So I
- 10:28Speaker 1: think we need to be clear about that, that we're
- 10:30Speaker 1: not just trying to uphold Roe versus Wade, we're trying
- 10:32Speaker 1: to uphold the current regime of rights that protects access
- 10:35Speaker 1: for women to healthcare across the country, which has already
- 10:39Speaker 1: been restricted pretty substantially by the Supreme Court.
- 10:44Speaker 4: I think that's a very important point, which is Roe
- 10:45Speaker 4: versus Wade is the compromise. Like that is how we
- 10:48Speaker 4: got here. And the Supreme Court upheld that in 1992.
- 10:52Speaker 4: So anything that they do to chip away at that
- 10:56Speaker 4: is a dramatic reversal for the rights of women and
- 10:57Speaker 4: is an incredibly slippery slope. And yes, there is a
- 11:01Speaker 4: danger in saying that the Supreme Court will definitely overturn
- 11:04Speaker 4: Roe versus Wade this term. But regardless of what they
- 11:08Speaker 4: do this term, If Donald Trump is allowed to appoint
- 11:10Speaker 4: another Supreme Court justice, Roe vs. Wade is 100% certainly gone.
- 11:15Speaker 4: This is the plan. This is what they are doing.
- 11:17Speaker 4: And that's why it's so important that we make it
- 11:19Speaker 4: clear that the Alabama position is the position of the
- 11:21Speaker 4: Republican Party. It is their vision for the future of
- 11:23Speaker 4: this country.
- 11:24Speaker 1: Akilah, what can people do in the meantime.
- 11:27Speaker 2: Starting now, to protect access.
- 11:30Speaker 1: To abortion and fight for it?
- 11:33Speaker 7: Well, obviously you need to donate. And I think that,
- 11:37Speaker 7: you know, not everyone's in a position to donate. And
- 11:39Speaker 7: so something that I have tried to internalize and something
- 11:42Speaker 7: that I think is really effective is when people use
- 11:46Speaker 7: their voice however they can. And so maybe you don't
- 11:49Speaker 7: have a bajillion followers on Instagram, but a lot of
- 11:53Speaker 7: people are posting about it. I think, you know, maybe
- 11:56Speaker 7: that sounds like a trite thing, like, oh, post to
- 11:58Speaker 7: your Instagram about how you think this is fucked up.
- 12:01Speaker 7: But post to your Instagram about how you think this
- 12:02Speaker 7: is fucked up. Because that's where people form their opinions now, unfortunately.
- 12:10Speaker 7: And I think, honestly, I can't say it enough. If
- 12:13Speaker 7: you have the means to donate, donate to local groups.
- 12:16Speaker 7: Read local newspapers in Alabama, in Georgia. Don't just read
- 12:21Speaker 7: these horrific headlines in the New York Times.
- 12:24Speaker 6: I think that I went through a range of.
- 12:27Speaker 7: Emotions when the official Alabama stuff came through, and I
- 12:33Speaker 7: think that that's my microphone, so I don't apologize.
- 12:34Speaker 6: I'm going to hold it until I'm done with this point,
- 12:38Speaker 6: and then I'll stop. But I.
- 12:41Speaker 7: When I was reading the official word from Alabama that
- 12:46Speaker 7: this is the way that they see women, that this
- 12:48Speaker 7: is how women, you know, they have no control over
- 12:51Speaker 7: their bodies and now doctors are going to jail for
- 12:53Speaker 7: nearly 100 years when rapists will not go to jail
- 12:57Speaker 7: for even a day, probably. Obviously, this shit's infuriating. Obviously,
- 13:04Speaker 7: you know, all of that rage is warranted. And so
- 13:06Speaker 7: I think that... You can be mad, but you have
- 13:09Speaker 7: to take action and you need to listen to people
- 13:12Speaker 7: who have.
- 13:12Speaker 3: Resources, who know how to.
- 13:15Speaker 7: Get the people safe abortions in Alabama, in Georgia, in Kentucky,
- 13:20Speaker 7: in Ohio in the meantime. But yeah, we can't budge
- 13:24Speaker 7: an inch. Women deserve rights over their bodies. Men don't
- 13:28Speaker 7: get to have the say this time.
- 13:30Speaker 3: Fuck all that. It's ridiculous.
- 13:36Speaker 2: And like Akili was saying, specifically in Alabama, you can
- 13:40Speaker 2: donate to the Yellowhammer Fund, which helps protect abortion access
- 13:44Speaker 2: in the state of Alabama. Unfortunately now, because a similar
- 13:50Speaker 2: bill just passed the Missouri Senate and is headed to
- 13:54Speaker 2: the Republican-held House in Missouri as well, you can make
- 13:57Speaker 2: sure if you live in Missouri, you know people who
- 13:59Speaker 2: live in Missouri, you can make sure you call your
- 14:00Speaker 2: legislators in Missouri. You can donate to local groups in
- 14:04Speaker 2: Missouri that protect abortion access. Please donate to the ACLU
- 14:08Speaker 2: because the ACLU is suing the state of Alabama. And
- 14:12Speaker 2: they have won those lawsuits in the past. Abortion Funds
- 14:17Speaker 2: is a nationwide network that helps pay for medical care, transportation,
- 14:20Speaker 2: and for people who want to escort people who are
- 14:23Speaker 2: getting abortions because sometimes that's very difficult to walk through
- 14:25Speaker 2: a bunch of anti-abortion protesters. And then the other thing
- 14:29Speaker 2: we should talk about is this is a reminder of
- 14:33Speaker 2: why local and state elections matter, right? Because now that
- 14:40Speaker 2: we're just sitting here waiting for the Supreme Court to
- 14:43Speaker 2: do their thing, there are states that can, you know,
- 14:45Speaker 2: on a state level, you can vote to protect abortion access.
- 14:49Speaker 2: And in 2019, there's gonna be a bunch of elections.
- 14:52Speaker 2: We don't even have to wait till 2020. We relaunched
- 14:55Speaker 2: Vote Save America this week, which we had in 2018.
- 15:00Speaker 2: So if you go on Vote Save America, you can
- 15:01Speaker 2: find out if you're registered. You can find ways to volunteer.
- 15:05Speaker 2: And you can find a whole bunch of information and
- 15:06Speaker 2: resources to make sure that you can vote. In 2019,
- 15:10Speaker 2: we have elections in Virginia and Mississippi and Louisiana specifically
- 15:14Speaker 2: where Democrats could actually flip control of the houses there.
- 15:17Speaker 2: So that's a really big deal. And, you know, we
- 15:20Speaker 2: can stop things like this from happening.
- 15:21Speaker 4: We should, in the list of organizations, we should shout
- 15:23Speaker 4: out one more.
- 15:23Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 15:24Speaker 4: Which is run for something.
- 15:25Speaker 1: Yes.
- 15:26Speaker 5: Yes. Yes.
- 15:27Speaker 4: An organization that recruits and trains people to run for office,
- 15:31Speaker 4: the founder of which, Amanda Lippman, is here tonight in
- 15:33Speaker 4: the audience.
- 15:34Speaker 1: Can I just add, I want to add one more
- 15:38Speaker 1: thing about this too, because it goes beyond just obviously
- 15:40Speaker 1: we need to elect people who will respect the autonomy
- 15:44Speaker 1: of women, but also it's not a coincidence that these
- 15:47Speaker 1: are also places that have some of the highest infant
- 15:51Speaker 1: mortality rates and some of the highest maternal death rates
- 15:53Speaker 1: as well. Which is a reminder, too, that a lot
- 15:55Speaker 1: of these are states that refuse to expand Medicaid under Obamacare,
- 16:00Speaker 1: politicians claiming to be pro-life while pursuing policies that have
- 16:03Speaker 1: led to deaths of women and children in those states.
- 16:05Speaker 1: And so, so much is on the line in these elections.
- 16:11Speaker 7: And on top of that, I mean, just to be
- 16:13Speaker 7: real petty, Alabama is 50th out of 50 in education.
- 16:18Speaker 7: Don't talk about how you care about children when you
- 16:22Speaker 7: all don't have schools that teach them anything.
- 16:25Speaker 6: We need to fix the system.
- 16:29Speaker 2: Also, by the way, the idea that Alabama has the
- 16:31Speaker 2: politics of Alabama and that's the way it is has
- 16:34Speaker 2: been proven wrong by recent history.
- 16:37Speaker 1: Right?
- 16:37Speaker 2: Because we elected Doug Jones not so long ago in
- 16:39Speaker 2: the state of Alabama. And, you know, with redistricting and
- 16:42Speaker 2: everything else, we can change things. All right, let's move
- 16:45Speaker 2: on to the next happy topic. Because if there's anything
- 16:49Speaker 2: Republicans enjoy more than a war on women, it's a
- 16:51Speaker 2: war in the Middle East. The New York Times reported
- 16:55Speaker 2: this week that National Security Advisor John Bolton was among
- 16:58Speaker 2: a group Couple John Bolton fans here in the audience.
- 17:01Speaker 2: John Bolton was among the- We.
- 17:03Speaker 1: Like him, we like him. There's a tiny part of
- 17:06Speaker 1: Brooklyn that likes him. That's Michael Bolton.
- 17:13Speaker 2: So Michael Bolton was among a group of White House
- 17:14Speaker 2: officials that asked the Pentagon for a military plan that
- 17:18Speaker 2: calls for sending more than 100,000 troops to the Middle
- 17:21Speaker 2: East if Iran advances its nuclear program or attacks American forces.
- 17:26Speaker 2: Then on Wednesday, the State Department ordered a partial evacuation
- 17:29Speaker 2: of the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, citing what the Trump
- 17:32Speaker 2: administration has called new threats from Iran. Tommy, how did
- 17:36Speaker 2: we get from Trump pulling out of the Iran deal
- 17:40Speaker 2: to the current crisis that we're in right now? And
- 17:43Speaker 2: how serious is this? How worried should we be?
- 17:46Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very worried. So at some point.
- 17:49Speaker 4: It wasn't the answer I was looking for.
- 17:50Speaker 2: There's a lot to worry about.
- 17:51Speaker 1: Hey!
- 17:52Speaker 5: Hey!
- 17:52Speaker 8: At some point along the way, someone told Trump that
- 17:55Speaker 8: Obama was nice to Iran, therefore he decided Iran is bad,
- 17:58Speaker 8: so he pulled out of the Iran deal despite the
- 17:59Speaker 8: fact that Iran was complying with all the provisions of
- 18:03Speaker 8: the Iran deal that we'd want them to to limit
- 18:05Speaker 8: their ability to get a nuclear weapon. On top of that,
- 18:07Speaker 8: they started slapping sanctions on the Iranians that were just
- 18:10Speaker 8: crippling their economy. We designated the IRGC, which is a
- 18:13Speaker 8: military wing of Iran, a terrorist organization. And then so recently...
- 18:18Speaker 8: we started reading these reports of intelligence suggesting the Iranians
- 18:22Speaker 8: were going to attack US forces in the region or
- 18:24Speaker 8: do something nefarious. And so Trump decided to send an
- 18:27Speaker 8: aircraft carrier over to the Gulf and a strike group
- 18:29Speaker 8: and a Patriot missile battery. And, you know, I don't
- 18:33Speaker 8: want to underplay the fact that the Iranians are bad actors.
- 18:39Speaker 8: I mean, the Pentagon estimates that 600 US service members
- 18:42Speaker 8: were killed in Iraq in between 2003 and 2011 by
- 18:47Speaker 8: Iran-aligned Shia militia groups. They would provide them munitions that
- 18:51Speaker 8: could defeat our armor and certain things. They're bad people
- 18:54Speaker 8: who have done terrible things. But in this instance, we
- 18:57Speaker 8: are pressuring them into a place where I'm not surprised
- 19:02Speaker 8: that Iran decided to respond because there has been a
- 19:06Speaker 8: clearly articulated regime change strategy from this White House. In fact,
- 19:11Speaker 8: John Bolton, the National Security Advisor, said, the only way
- 19:14Speaker 8: to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon is to
- 19:17Speaker 8: bomb them.
- 19:17Speaker 1: So I think we all just need.
- 19:19Speaker 8: To be very worried about a couple of things. One,
- 19:22Speaker 8: you know, now there's some reports that maybe Trump is,
- 19:26Speaker 8: Trump is the adult in the room telling his people, right?
- 19:32Speaker 1: Makes me feel better.
- 19:33Speaker 8: Telling his own national security team that he doesn't want
- 19:35Speaker 8: them to go to war. But, you know, we also
- 19:37Speaker 8: heard during the campaign that Trump wanted to get us
- 19:39Speaker 8: out of war's And he sent more troops to Afghanistan.
- 19:43Speaker 8: He talked about pulling all our troops out of Syria
- 19:45Speaker 8: and then backtracked on the decision.
- 19:46Speaker 1: So I don't trust these reports at all.
- 19:49Speaker 8: But I mean, in that area, in the Strait of Hormuz,
- 19:54Speaker 8: in that region generally, the risk of a miscalculation or
- 19:57Speaker 8: something happening that could escalate incredibly quickly is massive. And
- 20:01Speaker 8: a war with Iran would be way worse than a
- 20:05Speaker 8: war with Iraq.
- 20:06Speaker 2: So John Bolton's plan to just send a few bombs
- 20:09Speaker 2: over there is not going to prevent them from creating.
- 20:11Speaker 1: A nuclear weapon? No.
- 20:13Speaker 8: 120,000 troops is the high end of the options, apparently,
- 20:15Speaker 8: that Trump has presented. That is an invasion-sized force. That's
- 20:18Speaker 8: basically what we sent into Iraq, which was enough to
- 20:20Speaker 8: get us to Baghdad and then get into a decade-long quagmire.
- 20:23Speaker 8: So I think Congress needs to step up and say,
- 20:25Speaker 8: you do not have any authorization to go to war.
- 20:28Speaker 8: I think that activists like the people in this audience
- 20:30Speaker 8: need to march— And make clear that this is unacceptable.
- 20:35Speaker 8: I hope all the Democratic presidential candidates say that in
- 20:38Speaker 8: no way is it in our strategic interest to go
- 20:40Speaker 8: to war with Iran.
- 20:40Speaker 1: It's a big deal. It's frightening.
- 20:42Speaker 8: And I also worry that Trump could be convinced by
- 20:45Speaker 8: the religious right, by the Israelis, by the Saudis.
- 20:49Speaker 1: By the last person he talks to.
- 20:50Speaker 8: By the last guy he talked to. By the Saturday
- 20:54Speaker 8: morning Fox and Friends guy.
- 20:56Speaker 1: To roll the fucking dice. That it's good politics. Who
- 20:58Speaker 1: brings him a Diet Coke last will determine.
- 21:00Speaker 5: I mean.
- 21:02Speaker 1: We're so fucked. Akilah, it's a tough night for news.
- 21:07Speaker 7: I'm sorry that we're doing this to Brooklyn. I never
- 21:10Speaker 7: get to go out with you all in Brooklyn.
- 21:13Speaker 6: What a week.
- 21:16Speaker 2: Akilah, I was wondering, Tommy was saying, and the Washington
- 21:18Speaker 2: Post reported this too, that Trump is annoyed with John
- 21:21Speaker 2: Bolton for being all warlike. He wants a more diplomatic approach.
- 21:25Speaker 2: Is the best way to avoid war here for Time
- 21:27Speaker 2: to have a Time magazine cover that says President Bolton
- 21:30Speaker 2: and then he'll firearm? Yes, absolutely. Is this our best
- 21:34Speaker 2: bet here?
- 21:34Speaker 3: I think so.
- 21:35Speaker 7: If you look back, when people started saying Steve Bannon
- 21:38Speaker 7: was the president, where's that guy now?
- 21:41Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gone.
- 21:41Speaker 3: Melting somewhere.
- 21:42Speaker 7: So I think that that's a good idea.
- 21:47Speaker 2: You just need to prop up John Bolton?
- 21:48Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 21:49Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, I think we have to try every
- 21:51Speaker 7: petty tactic, every reality show tactic.
- 21:54Speaker 2: We have Deshante.
- 21:56Speaker 6: We stay.
- 21:57Speaker 3: He can go eat it.
- 21:58Speaker 2: Dan, what are the politics of another potential war in
- 22:02Speaker 2: the Middle East?
- 22:02Speaker 1: Oh, my God. What a question.
- 22:05Speaker 2: Well, what I'm wondering is, would Republicans line up behind
- 22:10Speaker 2: Trump like they do everything else? Would Republican voters, I mean,
- 22:14Speaker 2: I notice this because I saw, of all fucking people,
- 22:18Speaker 2: Laura Ingram tweet yesterday, war with Iran is one of
- 22:21Speaker 2: the few almost certain paths for Donald Trump to harm
- 22:25Speaker 2: his reelection prospects, which I thought was very interesting coming
- 22:28Speaker 2: from her.
- 22:29Speaker 1: John, before Dan answers, and I want to hear Dan's answer.
- 22:34Speaker 1: Do you? That is such a relief to me.
- 22:39Speaker 2: That's why I asked about the politics, man. Because honestly.
- 22:42Speaker 1: That's not nothing. Laura Ingraham has a real... season eight
- 22:46Speaker 1: Daenerys vibe, and it's a flip of the coin. It's
- 22:49Speaker 1: a flip of the coin with her. So I'm glad
- 22:52Speaker 1: she landed. I'm glad she landed on being happy the
- 22:56Speaker 1: bells were ringing. She did a bad haircut away from Daenerys.
- 23:01Speaker 4: I would say the politics of a war with Iran
- 23:04Speaker 4: are about as good as the politics of war with Iraq.
- 23:07Speaker 1: And it is worth remembering that.
- 23:08Speaker 2: Wait, war with Iraq now, not war with Iraq when
- 23:10Speaker 2: it's like New York Times is like, let's go.
- 23:12Speaker 1: I think we have to be, I.
- 23:15Speaker 4: Think the politics are on their face bad, but we
- 23:18Speaker 4: have to be aware of a couple of things. One,
- 23:20Speaker 4: if Trump were to decide to do this, Laura Ingraham
- 23:23Speaker 4: and all the people on Fox News will get right
- 23:25Speaker 4: in line. And they will challenge the patriotism of Democrats
- 23:29Speaker 4: who oppose it. And Trump's base, who will probably bear
- 23:34Speaker 4: a huge part of the sacrifice of that war, will,
- 23:38Speaker 4: at the outset, support him. Because when he says he
- 23:42Speaker 4: could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter,
- 23:44Speaker 4: he's not fucking around. That is the reality of his
- 23:47Speaker 4: political situation with his base. But the question with all
- 23:51Speaker 4: these things is, the politics are bad, but the reason
- 23:55Speaker 4: why Bush could go to war was because he was
- 23:57Speaker 4: able to bully Democrats into letting him go to war.
- 23:59Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that was my next question is like, do
- 24:01Speaker 2: we think that Democrats and Democratic candidates for president have
- 24:04Speaker 2: been sounding the alarm loudly enough yet? Because I feel
- 24:08Speaker 2: like I've seen a couple of statements here and there.
- 24:10Speaker 2: Some of them have been cautious, but I haven't seen
- 24:12Speaker 2: anyone's be like. fuck no, we're not doing this again.
- 24:15Speaker 2: I guess Bernie Sanders made a pretty strong statement.
- 24:18Speaker 4: I think that people can always do better, but it's hard.
- 24:22Speaker 4: There are folks in the Senate, the few remaining ones
- 24:24Speaker 4: not running for president, like Chris Murphy, who are raising
- 24:28Speaker 4: fucking hell, right? And it's important to try to have
- 24:32Speaker 4: a vote, and I think we should do that in
- 24:33Speaker 4: the House and the Senate, to try to demonstrate that
- 24:36Speaker 4: the will of Congress is that Trump does not, if
- 24:38Speaker 4: he wants to do this, he has to go to
- 24:39Speaker 4: Congress and and ask for authorization, and you can't use
- 24:41Speaker 4: some bullshit authorization that's been on the books for 18 years.
- 24:44Speaker 1: Right, which they've tried to do.
- 24:46Speaker 2: Yes.
- 24:46Speaker 8: Secretary Pompeo tried to suggest that the AUMF, which is
- 24:50Speaker 8: what we passed after 9-11 to go after Al-Qaeda, somehow
- 24:53Speaker 8: allowed us to go into Iran, which is batshit crazy.
- 24:56Speaker 8: The good news is that there was some, this intelligence
- 24:58Speaker 8: that suggested Iran was about to attack our forces in
- 25:01Speaker 8: the region was briefed to Congress today, and then Pelosi
- 25:04Speaker 8: came out of that briefing and said there is no
- 25:07Speaker 8: authorization to go to war Trump would have to come
- 25:09Speaker 8: back to Congress. Now, it's Donald fucking Trump. That doesn't
- 25:13Speaker 8: make me feel better. He thinks that he can shoot
- 25:17Speaker 8: a couple of T-lams into Syria like he did after
- 25:19Speaker 8: the chemical weapons attack and that things will be fine.
- 25:22Speaker 8: I think that that would rapidly escalate. It would not
- 25:23Speaker 8: be a Syria-like situation. This would be a war that
- 25:26Speaker 8: would escalate quickly. You would see proxy forces like Hezbollah
- 25:29Speaker 8: start to attack Israel. I mean, it would be just
- 25:32Speaker 8: an exponentially worse situation.
- 25:33Speaker 2: Okay, so in this situation, things that are making us
- 25:35Speaker 2: feel hopeful, Donald Trump and Laura Ingraham.
- 25:39Speaker 4: The Trump thing is sort of an important point, which
- 25:41Speaker 4: is like, yes, he did say that he was against
- 25:44Speaker 4: wars in the Middle East. Like, he did say that.
- 25:46Speaker 4: He also said... He was against tax cuts for the rich.
- 25:49Speaker 4: He was against cutting Medicare. He was for protecting people
- 25:52Speaker 4: with pre-existing conditions.
- 25:53Speaker 1: He was pro-choice at one point.
- 25:54Speaker 9: Yes.
- 25:55Speaker 4: We can't take that to the next.
- 25:56Speaker 1: It's almost as if he has no actual positions whatsoever.
- 25:58Speaker 4: And the thing about Trump, too, is the reason you
- 26:03Speaker 4: don't give matches to a baby is because the baby's pro-fire.
- 26:06Speaker 4: It's because they're too dumb to have dangerous things.
- 26:08Speaker 1: In their hand. I have.
- 26:17Speaker 2: I have absolutely no doubt that Donald Trump could be
- 26:22Speaker 2: easily led into war. But what I keep thinking is
- 26:25Speaker 2: he is president who is a low information cable news viewer.
- 26:30Speaker 2: That's who he is. That's who he's been all his life.
- 26:33Speaker 1: Except he owns the network.
- 26:34Speaker 2: Yeah, right. And because he's that, he knows that... He
- 26:39Speaker 2: watched cable news all through the Iraq War, and he
- 26:41Speaker 2: knows how unpopular it is and how unpopular a president
- 26:44Speaker 2: can be, because he used to say this about George
- 26:45Speaker 2: Bush all the time, a president could be that takes
- 26:47Speaker 2: the country into war when there's a 10-year quagmire.
- 26:49Speaker 1: Do you mean two-term President George W. Bush?
- 26:52Speaker 8: The first year turns out okay, generally, though, for the
- 26:54Speaker 8: president who's heroically leading you into war.
- 26:57Speaker 1: It's 3-4-5. I will say that there is a.
- 27:00Speaker 1: Another facet of Donald Trump that is useful, which is
- 27:03Speaker 1: that he does have, despite his bluster, an innate and
- 27:06Speaker 1: inconquerable cowardice to his conduct generally. It's why he was
- 27:11Speaker 1: only willing to go so far in Syria. And I
- 27:14Speaker 1: think it actually does affect his decisions now. I mean,
- 27:17Speaker 1: the man can't fire anyone face to face. Yeah, he's
- 27:22Speaker 1: scared of Amorosa. I mean, look, nothing has made Donald
- 27:25Speaker 1: Trump seem smaller. I mean, he's shocked himself. I mean,
- 27:27Speaker 1: nothing has made Donald Trump seem smaller than the powers
- 27:29Speaker 1: of the presidency. And he is It's actually been one
- 27:31Speaker 1: of the saving graces for the country is that he
- 27:34Speaker 1: is terrified of the awesome responsibilities bestowed to him. No, look,
- 27:40Speaker 1: I'm looking for silver linings here. They're not great, but
- 27:42Speaker 1: that's one.
- 27:45Speaker 2: From the foreign policy expert. What is the path towards
- 27:49Speaker 2: de-escalating the situation? To leave it on a hopeful note,
- 27:52Speaker 2: how does this, because look, we're not at war with
- 27:56Speaker 2: North Korea yet. Jesus Christ.
- 28:00Speaker 4: I would do a side note today, which is Fox
- 28:03Speaker 4: News just came out with a new poll, which is
- 28:05Speaker 4: not awesome in a lot of ways, but it does
- 28:06Speaker 4: say that most voters now think Trump is not tough enough.
- 28:09Speaker 1: In North Korea. Yeah, I saw that.
- 28:11Speaker 5: Okay.
- 28:12Speaker 8: So Trump loved the pomp and circumstance of his negotiations
- 28:16Speaker 8: with North Korea.
- 28:16Speaker 1: So that is a good thing.
- 28:17Speaker 8: And there was a report in the New Yorker recently
- 28:19Speaker 8: that said Trump had invited President Rouhani of Iran to
- 28:25Speaker 8: dinner multiple times. But Rouhani said no. But this sort
- 28:28Speaker 8: of gets at the.
- 28:29Speaker 1: I know.
- 28:31Speaker 2: He doesn't like McDonald's.
- 28:32Speaker 1: Easy, yes, man.
- 28:33Speaker 8: Well, but this is the difference. North Korea doesn't have politics.
- 28:36Speaker 8: You have an absolute dictator, ruler, who can do whatever
- 28:39Speaker 8: the hell he wants. Iran has real politics. The Supreme
- 28:42Speaker 8: Leader calls the shots, not the president of Iran.
- 28:45Speaker 1: Rouhani will have an election.
- 28:47Speaker 8: And Trump has backed him into a corner where anything
- 28:50Speaker 8: that looks like capitulating to the Americans might get him
- 28:53Speaker 8: not reelected. It might, you know, the sanctions might lead
- 28:56Speaker 8: to the collapse of the economy, which might hurt him politically. So, like,
- 28:59Speaker 8: this is how they're misplaying the situation. We've also completely
- 29:02Speaker 8: lost the international community. I mean, the Europeans have tried
- 29:05Speaker 8: to stick with the Iran deal. So, like, That's where
- 29:09Speaker 8: he's completely, fundamentally misplayed this game. That said, if Rohani says, yeah, man,
- 29:14Speaker 8: I'll meet you at Mar-a-Lago for a well-done.
- 29:17Speaker 1: Steak, I think we could be out of this thing.
- 29:19Speaker 1: I just don't know how we get from here to there.
- 29:21Speaker 2: I just want to say, sitting next to Akilah, watching
- 29:25Speaker 2: you listen to Tommy, you're like, He'll say something that
- 29:28Speaker 2: may be hopeful, and then he'll be like, but probably not.
- 29:31Speaker 2: And then you just go like this.
- 29:34Speaker 7: I am so deflated. It is half past Handmaid's Tale.
- 29:38Speaker 7: We got to leave this bitch tonight. Anybody who has
- 29:41Speaker 7: a car, meet me around back. Little America is forming
- 29:45Speaker 7: in Toronto. Let's just go. I'm so over it. What
- 29:50Speaker 7: are we even doing anymore? We're hoping that this guy
- 29:54Speaker 7: is rational with dictators.
- 29:56Speaker 3: Fuck that.
- 29:59Speaker 1: Akilah, I come from a long line of Jews who
- 30:02Speaker 1: knew when to get the fuck out. There you go.
- 30:06Speaker 1: And so just if I'm here, we're cool. Thank you. Probably.
- 30:15Speaker 2: All right, we'll have more news in a bit.
- 30:31Speaker 1: Now it's time for OK Stop. You know how it works.
- 30:37Speaker 1: Roll a clip and the panel can say OK Stop
- 30:38Speaker 1: at any point to comment. Rudy Giuliani. Your favorite mayor ever.
- 30:47Speaker 1: And your favorite mayor to run for president.
- 30:54Speaker 8: They don't know what to do.
- 30:58Speaker 1: I promised I would wait for the 2020 section. I promised.
- 31:03Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. Oh my god. Oh man.
- 31:13Speaker 1: So tall. Rudy went on. Rudy went on Fox News
- 31:22Speaker 1: to discuss how he himself did some investigating in Ukraine
- 31:26Speaker 1: and discovered something nefarious about one Joe Biden. Let's take
- 31:30Speaker 1: a look.
- 31:31Speaker 5: The reality is this has nothing to do with the
- 31:33Speaker 5: election of 2020. The election of 2020 is a long
- 31:36Speaker 5: time from now. And if I wanted a medal in
- 31:39Speaker 5: that election, which I don't, I could have held this
- 31:41Speaker 5: for a year and dropped it right before.
- 31:45Speaker 7: I know he's been hanging out with Trump a lot.
- 31:48Speaker 7: We're not going to pretend we don't see this tan.
- 31:50Speaker 2: I know. Oh, the tan. The tan.
- 31:53Speaker 3: What were you looking at? The hairline?
- 31:55Speaker 1: No, not the hairline. He's about to have a swoop.
- 31:57Speaker 2: He's got black hair. He didn't have that before. He's
- 32:01Speaker 2: using the Stephen Miller hairspray.
- 32:03Speaker 3: Oh, God.
- 32:04Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I think that's cool. I think that's cool.
- 32:09Speaker 1: Rudy is going through something, all right? He's going through
- 32:12Speaker 1: something personally. He's going through something politically. And honestly, if
- 32:15Speaker 1: that new face color and new hair color is the
- 32:17Speaker 1: thing that gets him on that date, that lends him
- 32:22Speaker 1: a little bit of comfort and happiness that stops him
- 32:25Speaker 1: from being a roving lunatic for the worst president in history,
- 32:30Speaker 1: maybe the die is worth it.
- 32:31Speaker 3: I'm going to stay tuned to find out.
- 32:35Speaker 5: The reality is I came about this by accident investigating
- 32:40Speaker 5: Ukrainian collusion with Democrats.
- 32:42Speaker 1: Okay, stop. Rudy Giuliani has never discovered anything on purpose.
- 32:53Speaker 1: The idea that he just happened to be in Ukraine,
- 32:56Speaker 1: minding his own business, eating some.
- 33:00Speaker 2: Is this malfeasance I've discovered? How did this happen?
- 33:05Speaker 1: I'm I just came... I'm trying to remember what cities
- 33:09Speaker 1: are in Ukraine. I'm going to go for it. I
- 33:11Speaker 1: came to Kiev to relax. A little R & R.
- 33:16Speaker 1: And I discovered that Joe Biden is a criminal.
- 33:21Speaker 5: To affect the election and also to help create the
- 33:24Speaker 5: false narrative against the president. And over the next three
- 33:27Speaker 5: to four months, you're going to find out all about that,
- 33:30Speaker 5: including the corruption that.
- 33:31Speaker 1: Went on with the.
- 33:32Speaker 2: Okay, stop.
- 33:33Speaker 7: Doesn't this sound like the worst podcast that's about to
- 33:35Speaker 7: come out? I'm just saying I don't care to listen
- 33:39Speaker 7: to Rudy Giuliani for.
- 33:41Speaker 2: The next four months. It's a fake crime podcast.
- 33:43Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
- 33:48Speaker 3: Fake crime starring Joe Biden.
- 33:50Speaker 1: From Sarah Koenig, you'll never believe what didn't happen.
- 33:56Speaker 3: It is upfront season. So this is him debuting it.
- 33:59Speaker 1: I've done Biden, yeah.
- 34:01Speaker 5: Dossier and the corruption that went on with Papadopoulos and
- 34:04Speaker 5: the way he was set up. It's all part of
- 34:06Speaker 5: one large conspiracy that has about two or three parts
- 34:10Speaker 5: to it. You're also going to find, I think, that
- 34:12Speaker 5: some of the Steele memorandum was written in the Ukraine.
- 34:15Speaker 5: After all, Steele didn't go to Russia for nine years.
- 34:19Speaker 5: How could he have written a memorandum about Russia if
- 34:22Speaker 5: he hadn't been there for nine years?
- 34:25Speaker 1: The internet?
- 34:25Speaker 3: What is he talking about?
- 34:28Speaker 2: What is he even talking about? Does anyone understand what
- 34:30Speaker 2: he's talking about?
- 34:30Speaker 7: Don't tell Rudy Giuliani about the internet. It's bad enough
- 34:35Speaker 7: as it is.
- 34:36Speaker 4: I don't know what he's referring to, but it's somehow
- 34:39Speaker 4: on the same universe as the pee tape.
- 34:40Speaker 1: That's all I know.
- 34:42Speaker 5: Could Comey have accepted it as true without asking him? Okay,
- 34:46Speaker 5: let me ask you about something here.
- 34:48Speaker 6: You phone call.
- 34:50Speaker 10: Okay, stop.
- 34:55Speaker 6: It is insane for me.
- 34:56Speaker 7: To feel like this woman on fucking Fox News needs
- 35:01Speaker 7: someone to.
- 35:02Speaker 3: Step in so that she can be heard.
- 35:04Speaker 7: It is wild that I feel compelled to advocate on
- 35:10Speaker 7: her behalf.
- 35:11Speaker 3: Let her speak.
- 35:13Speaker 6: I hate you, Rudy.
- 35:14Speaker 3: Let's go.
- 35:15Speaker 5: For intelligence information?
- 35:17Speaker 6: I don't know, because I'm not a spy.
- 35:19Speaker 1: I don't know about a clue. Okay, stop. You know what?
- 35:23Speaker 1: I don't know who this is. May never know. But
- 35:27Speaker 1: that was cool.
- 35:30Speaker 5: When Comey signed that affidavit, using the Steele dossier, which
- 35:35Speaker 5: he didn't bother to verify, which if you read it,
- 35:38Speaker 5: reads like a porn novel.
- 35:41Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
- 35:43Speaker 2: That was phrasing.
- 35:45Speaker 1: I would just say, I would just say, How do
- 35:50Speaker 1: you know? And what the fuck is a porn novel? Novel, yeah.
- 35:56Speaker 1: Like a supermarket one? Were they like 1925? Once again...
- 36:00Speaker 1: You don't have to picture it anymore.
- 36:03Speaker 3: Once again.
- 36:04Speaker 2: I'm just going to curl up with my porn novel.
- 36:07Speaker 3: He doesn't know about the internet.
- 36:09Speaker 7: Let's keep him off of it.
- 36:16Speaker 5: And worse... Either Comey was sleeping for five months or
- 36:23Speaker 5: he deliberately didn't want to verify that and he gave
- 36:26Speaker 5: false evidence to the court in order to invade the
- 36:29Speaker 5: rights of an American citizen who turns out to be
- 36:32Speaker 5: perfectly innocent. I don't know what you call that. I
- 36:35Speaker 5: don't know if it's a coup or it's making a
- 36:37Speaker 5: false statement.
- 36:39Speaker 4: Your two options are.
- 36:43Speaker 4: Coup and false statement.
- 36:47Speaker 1: That's a range. That's a range. And he doesn't know
- 36:50Speaker 1: what you call it.
- 36:52Speaker 2: I was either going to overthrow the government or tell
- 36:54Speaker 2: a tall tale.
- 36:56Speaker 3: You know, it's a Wednesday, so Thursday.
- 36:59Speaker 1: My thing is, who is this guy that is clearly
- 37:02Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani's hot younger brother, you know? Because I got
- 37:07Speaker 1: to tell you, he sounds just as crazy as Rudy Giuliani.
- 37:13Speaker 1: And that's okay, stop. Now let's, I guess let's talk
- 37:19Speaker 1: about the news again.
- 37:21Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about 2020.
- 37:22Speaker 1: Okay.
- 37:24Speaker 2: It's happening.
- 37:25Speaker 4: A lot of apprehension in those cheers.
- 37:28Speaker 2: Yeah. This week, two more men have rounded out the
- 37:32Speaker 2: record-breaking field of 23 Democratic candidates. Guys, just wait. Montana
- 37:41Speaker 2: Governor Steve Bullock. Okay, got some Bullock fans. And New
- 37:47Speaker 2: York City's own Mayor Bill de Blasio.
- 37:52Speaker 1: Now, for everyone listening at home, what you're hearing is, boo,
- 37:57Speaker 1: and a room filled with de Blasio 2020 signs.
- 38:03Speaker 7: What does that say? Love it for President 2020? There's
- 38:05Speaker 7: a sign out there.
- 38:07Speaker 6: Wait, put it back.
- 38:08Speaker 5: Hi, Mrs.
- 38:08Speaker 1: Love it.
- 38:18Speaker 2: As the Washington Post wrote on Wednesday, quote, some Democratic
- 38:21Speaker 2: leaders worry privately that this army of candidates makes it
- 38:24Speaker 2: harder for the party to coalesce around a single standard
- 38:26Speaker 2: bearer and deliver a clear message, no shit. And for
- 38:28Speaker 2: the candidates, the landscape makes it increasingly difficult to strategize,
- 38:32Speaker 2: stand out, and make their case. Akilah, we're going to
- 38:35Speaker 2: start with you because I know Lovett has a lot
- 38:37Speaker 2: to say about this candidate, but you are a constituent
- 38:40Speaker 2: of the mayor's, along with all of you, many of you.
- 38:44Speaker 2: What do you think about his presidential candidacy?
- 38:47Speaker 6: I just don't understand why it's necessary. I don't get it.
- 38:50Speaker 3: I don't get it. I, I feel like, I feel.
- 38:56Speaker 7: Like the field of Democrats now is like the song
- 38:59Speaker 7: Freak-A-Leak by Pete Bob. It's like Keisha, Tara, Monica, Monique, Krista, Duranda.
- 39:08Speaker 3: Like it's just so many, so many people. And I'm like,
- 39:13Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going to learn your name.
- 39:15Speaker 7: Like this is, It's so ridiculous and like I live
- 39:18Speaker 7: in New York and I'm not learning de Blasio.
- 39:20Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm just saying. I love it. Here's the thing.
- 39:28Speaker 1: How much later for Star Wars in New York City
- 39:30Speaker 1: can this guy get? Because he's very tall.
- 39:37Speaker 3: So tall.
- 39:38Speaker 1: I just think people this tall have too much confidence.
- 39:45Speaker 1: And I just want to make a couple points. I'm
- 39:48Speaker 1: a full foot shorter than Bill de Blasio, which means
- 39:51Speaker 1: that if I had dropped that groundhog, it would still
- 39:53Speaker 1: be alive. I will also just say, I get, look,
- 40:02Speaker 1: it must be very frustrating to be the mayor of
- 40:04Speaker 1: New York City, the biggest country, biggest city, the biggest city. Listen,
- 40:14Speaker 1: you guys leave, I'm coming. And you're like, wait a second.
- 40:20Speaker 1: I run the most complicated city bigger than like 15
- 40:25Speaker 1: American states. And this mayor from South Bend, Indiana, who
- 40:29Speaker 1: basically runs three blocks of Hell's Kitchen, that must drive
- 40:35Speaker 1: him crazy. He's the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. You
- 40:38Speaker 1: could fit South Bend between like I don't know, like
- 40:41Speaker 1: Madison and Park. So like, that must, I mean, it
- 40:45Speaker 1: must be insane. And then how fucking frustrating it is
- 40:48Speaker 1: to say, you know what, if he can do it,
- 40:50Speaker 1: I can do it. And then 8 million people say,
- 40:52Speaker 1: go fuck yourself, come on. You don't leave New York
- 40:57Speaker 1: till we're done hating you. So anyway, long story short,
- 41:06Speaker 1: I think New York needs a shorter mayor.
- 41:12Speaker 2: Dan, just so we can play devil's advocate here, if
- 41:15Speaker 2: you're Bill de Blasio or Steve Bullock and you see
- 41:19Speaker 2: a field this large, talented, diverse, why do you get
- 41:24Speaker 2: in the primary at this stage? What do you see?
- 41:27Speaker 2: What is the case for some of these lesser-known candidates
- 41:30Speaker 2: who don't have the name ID that some of these
- 41:33Speaker 2: other candidates have that haven't been around as long? What's
- 41:36Speaker 2: the case?
- 41:37Speaker 4: There isn't one.
- 41:38Speaker 1: I mean.
- 41:42Speaker 4: I think, let's be clear.
- 41:43Speaker 2: I'm going to keep asking until someone.
- 41:45Speaker 4: Makes the case. I mean, yes, I guess anything is
- 41:48Speaker 4: possible if you try it enough times.
- 41:50Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump is president.
- 41:51Speaker 1: But that's the problem, is.
- 41:53Speaker 4: Everyone looks and says, Trump won, therefore I can win.
- 41:57Speaker 4: But the problem with that argument is that Trump had
- 42:00Speaker 4: 100% name ID. He was leading in the polls when
- 42:03Speaker 4: he started. He was leading in the polls in the
- 42:06Speaker 4: 2012 Republican primary when he was contemplating getting in. Trump
- 42:09Speaker 4: winning is not a Horatio Alger tale of a mayor
- 42:12Speaker 4: or a governor that no one knows working their way
- 42:16Speaker 4: to the top.
- 42:17Speaker 2: He was one of the most famous people in the world.
- 42:18Speaker 4: Yeah, who was a dominating force in right-wing media who
- 42:23Speaker 4: said all the things the base wanted him to say.
- 42:25Speaker 4: That is not what's happening. And I think we have to...
- 42:28Speaker 4: Like a couple points, one, anything is possible, but that
- 42:30Speaker 4: doesn't mean that it is probable or even plausible for
- 42:35Speaker 4: some of these people to come from nowhere. Second, there
- 42:37Speaker 4: is a difference between saying you're running for president and
- 42:40Speaker 4: actually running for president. Running for the Democratic nomination is
- 42:43Speaker 4: about getting a majority of delegates. That means you have
- 42:46Speaker 4: to be able to run real, well-staffed, well-organized, funded campaigns
- 42:52Speaker 4: in four early primary states. Of the 25 fucking people
- 42:55Speaker 4: who are currently running for president, maybe 10 of them
- 42:59Speaker 4: can do that, right? And so I think At some point, yes,
- 43:03Speaker 4: we have apparently very easy to get into debate criteria.
- 43:06Speaker 4: People should do that. We should let it play itself out.
- 43:08Speaker 4: But there is a distinction between the people who have
- 43:09Speaker 4: shown that they can actually win the nomination and the
- 43:12Speaker 4: people who just put out a really cute video early on.
- 43:15Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 43:16Speaker 2: I mean, Tommy, how do candidates... How do the candidates,
- 43:22Speaker 2: maybe the 10 candidates that Dan's talking about that have
- 43:26Speaker 2: a chance... How do those candidates stand out and command
- 43:29Speaker 2: attention in a field this large? What are the good strategies?
- 43:33Speaker 2: What are the not so good strategies?
- 43:34Speaker 8: Light yourself on fire. I sincerely don't know because I
- 43:40Speaker 8: keep thinking about Martin O'Malley.
- 43:42Speaker 1: Remember him? Ran against Bernie and Hillary.
- 43:45Speaker 8: And he couldn't break through or get press attention or
- 43:48Speaker 8: make news at a debate. So it's going to be
- 43:50Speaker 8: exponentially harder when there's literally two separate debates on different nights. So,
- 43:55Speaker 8: you know, look, not to knock the most recent entrance
- 43:59Speaker 8: to the race, but like there is a group of
- 44:02Speaker 8: people who see running for president as a way to
- 44:05Speaker 8: increase your profile, get a book deal, get speaking fees.
- 44:08Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's more true on the Republican side. Now,
- 44:11Speaker 8: the counter argument to everything we're saying is that if
- 44:13Speaker 8: Stacey Abrams got in, That.
- 44:18Speaker 1: Reaction speaks for itself, right?
- 44:20Speaker 8: So, like, there clearly are a lot of people out
- 44:22Speaker 8: there who look at the 2,500 people running.
- 44:25Speaker 1: And think, like, I'm not sold yet. What's next? So, look,
- 44:29Speaker 1: it's a long process. We shall see. But I feel
- 44:32Speaker 1: like it's going to end poorly for a lot of
- 44:34Speaker 1: these candidates.
- 44:35Speaker 2: And the argument against what we're all saying is Pete Buttigieg, right? Like,
- 44:40Speaker 2: this is the mayor of... The fourth largest city in Indiana.
- 44:46Speaker 2: And he gets in the race. And his strategy is,
- 44:50Speaker 2: his communication strategy is, say yes to everything, every media availability.
- 44:55Speaker 2: And he's got a lot of talent and a lot
- 44:56Speaker 2: of charisma. And so because he says yes to everything,
- 45:00Speaker 2: he makes a name for himself purely through doing a
- 45:02Speaker 2: lot of media and a lot of interviews. And now
- 45:05Speaker 2: he's one of the top five or six candidates in
- 45:07Speaker 2: the race. So I'm guessing that a lot of these
- 45:09Speaker 2: other candidates are like, well, I could be Pete Buttigieg too.
- 45:13Speaker 1: You know? They can't.
- 45:14Speaker 2: They can't, maybe. But maybe they can.
- 45:16Speaker 1: We don't know, you know? But that's, it really does
- 45:18Speaker 1: sort of, it is a, you know, look, this becomes
- 45:20Speaker 1: ultimately subjective. The reason Pete Buttigieg was able to break
- 45:25Speaker 1: through is he took a gamble that what he had
- 45:27Speaker 1: to say was interesting and compelling enough, once he said
- 45:30Speaker 1: it to enough people, that it would launch him into
- 45:33Speaker 1: the top tier of the race. And it did. And
- 45:35Speaker 1: it absolutely did. And by the way, and like, to
- 45:37Speaker 1: be serious, it is completely possible, maybe not probable, but
- 45:40Speaker 1: possible that someone like Steve Bullock or even someone like
- 45:43Speaker 1: Bill de Blasio could do that. The fact that in
- 45:48Speaker 1: his own city, the fact that in his own city
- 45:50Speaker 1: he is booed for running for president though is interesting
- 45:53Speaker 1: and important and shouldn't be, jokes aside, If you're going
- 45:56Speaker 1: to launch a campaign in which your own city is
- 45:58Speaker 1: going to be angry at you for doing it, that
- 45:59Speaker 1: tells you something.
- 46:00Speaker 2: South Bend is not booing.
- 46:02Speaker 7: Well, South Bend is like, we have name recognition now?
- 46:07Speaker 8: It's also a great window into literal media bias because
- 46:11Speaker 8: there's a lot of blue check marks on Twitter who
- 46:13Speaker 8: are reporters who live in Brooklyn or Manhattan who normally
- 46:17Speaker 8: write objectively about candidates who are.
- 46:19Speaker 1: Like, fuck that guy.
- 46:20Speaker 2: He's the worst.
- 46:21Speaker 1: Just destroying him. You're like, ah, okay, objective. And honestly,
- 46:24Speaker 1: not even really based on his record, just based on
- 46:26Speaker 1: having a personal animus towards him as a man. Yeah,
- 46:29Speaker 1: they just don't like that he goes to the gym
- 46:30Speaker 1: at 10 a.m. They don't like his gym routine, and
- 46:32Speaker 1: they don't like that he's late to important shit. And
- 46:34Speaker 1: you know what? I don't like either of those things either, honestly. But, no,
- 46:37Speaker 1: but like to make it... Yeah, 5 a.m. gym.
- 46:39Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, what time are you
- 46:41Speaker 2: clocking in?
- 46:45Speaker 1: I get to where I'm supposed to be at the
- 46:47Speaker 1: exact moment I should be. I am gay punctual.
- 46:56Speaker 2: That's not a thing.
- 46:59Speaker 1: Homophobia. I think that the truth is anyone can get
- 47:08Speaker 1: in this race now. It's not too late. But the
- 47:10Speaker 1: reason you're getting in is because you look at a
- 47:12Speaker 1: field of 45,000 people and say none of them is right.
- 47:16Speaker 1: None of them are saying what I believe needs to
- 47:18Speaker 1: be said. None of them is me. But also, I
- 47:21Speaker 1: believe that I have a strong and compelling unique case
- 47:24Speaker 1: that is the best case to take on Donald Trump
- 47:26Speaker 1: and to lead this country. And so the later these
- 47:28Speaker 1: people are getting in, the more important it is, the
- 47:30Speaker 1: words they use when they launch. And I watched Bill
- 47:32Speaker 1: de Blasio's video, and I didn't find it that impressive.
- 47:34Speaker 1: I honestly didn't. Because at this late stage, saying you're
- 47:38Speaker 1: going to run a campaign for working people doesn't cut it.
- 47:40Speaker 1: It's not special enough when we have a lot of
- 47:42Speaker 1: candidates making that same argument. So the later these people
- 47:46Speaker 1: get in, the bigger the pressure is on their argument. So,
- 47:49Speaker 1: you know, any one of them can make that beat,
- 47:52Speaker 1: put a judge move, but it depends on being extraordinarily
- 47:54Speaker 1: unique and compelling. And really, it'll It's up to them
- 47:57Speaker 1: to prove that they were right to get in. Timing matters.
- 48:00Speaker 2: Akilah, since we haven't had you on stage yet, who
- 48:05Speaker 2: in the 2020 field is interesting to you? And if
- 48:08Speaker 2: you don't want to say that, what are you looking
- 48:10Speaker 2: for in a candidate as you're assessing this field?
- 48:13Speaker 7: So many interesting people in the world, John. I would
- 48:18Speaker 7: never be mean to our mayor. In person, he's very tall.
- 48:24Speaker 7: I can't take him.
- 48:25Speaker 1: But....
- 48:27Speaker 3: I mean, I think Elizabeth Warren is saying real shit.
- 48:33Speaker 1: I think.
- 48:36Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 48:38Speaker 3: I'm going to pretend that applause is for me and.
- 48:39Speaker 1: Not for Elizabeth Warren.
- 48:41Speaker 7: But I think that she's one of the only people
- 48:43Speaker 7: who has real policies on her website that you can read.
- 48:47Speaker 3: And that's important.
- 48:49Speaker 7: I think that a lot of people are treating this
- 48:52Speaker 7: campaign season and the road to 2020 as if it's 2015.
- 48:57Speaker 3: And we're like, we're going to win for sure. And
- 48:59Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't care about that.
- 49:01Speaker 6: All right.
- 49:01Speaker 3: Like, like I said, half past Handmaid's Tale, like it's time.
- 49:06Speaker 7: And so I think she's great. I think, you know,
- 49:09Speaker 7: I don't know that Kamala has been so outspoken on
- 49:11Speaker 7: her policy, but I do think that she has shown
- 49:14Speaker 7: that she's not backing down when faced with.
- 49:16Speaker 3: GOP people who really don't have an argument.
- 49:20Speaker 7: Which is important. You know, so let me just shout
- 49:25Speaker 7: out my ladies. Was it Klobuchar with that comb fork?
- 49:34Speaker 7: I think she's resourceful, and that's not nothing, especially in
- 49:37Speaker 7: the Hunger Games.
- 49:41Speaker 2: What are you eating your salad with, Bill de Blasio?
- 49:43Speaker 1: Exactly. In Cormac McCarthy's 2020.
- 49:44Speaker 5: Cormac? Yeah.
- 49:45Speaker 1: Corman?
- 49:45Speaker 5: Cormac.
- 49:45Speaker 1: Well.
- 49:54Speaker 1: In the road, you'd want to be with Klobuchar.
- 49:55Speaker 6: You got to be. You got to be.
- 49:57Speaker 3: She's a little seedy, and I like that.
- 50:02Speaker 7: But the rest of it, I just think, like I said,
- 50:04Speaker 7: Petey Pablo. Too many people, not really that interesting. I mean,
- 50:09Speaker 7: Buttigieg obviously would be a step in the right direction,
- 50:12Speaker 7: and I think another candidate who is safe.
- 50:15Speaker 6: I mean, maybe not as.
- 50:16Speaker 3: Many policies on the website. What's going on with your webmaster?
- 50:19Speaker 3: Figure it out. But, yeah, and also this person with
- 50:23Speaker 3: the Love It 2020 sign.
- 50:25Speaker 7: I mean, I just feel like the party bus would
- 50:28Speaker 7: be lit.
- 50:28Speaker 3: And so I'm down. All right.
- 50:31Speaker 2: I like that assessment.
- 50:32Speaker 1: I can get 65,000 donors. Oh, God. Okay.
- 50:36Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll have an interview with your
- 50:39Speaker 2: Attorney General, Letitia James.
- 50:52Speaker 8: She's a lawyer, activist, and politician currently serving as the
- 50:55Speaker 8: Attorney General of New York. Please welcome Attorney General Letitia James.
- 51:07Speaker 1: Thank you. This feels like a home audience. What's in
- 51:24Speaker 1: those red cups? Water, lots of water.
- 51:28Speaker 8: Your office has been doing everything. You guys have investigations
- 51:31Speaker 8: against prescription drug companies, Facebook, grifting presidents and their families.
- 51:37Speaker 8: Can you tell our listeners why the New York Attorney
- 51:41Speaker 8: General's office is so uniquely positioned to seek restitution and
- 51:44Speaker 8: damages and investigate fraud?
- 51:46Speaker 11: So, Tommy, first let me just say welcome to the
- 51:48Speaker 11: People's Republic of Brooklyn. And two, you were talking about Alabama,
- 52:00Speaker 11: and I will not allow anyone to silence the voice
- 52:03Speaker 11: of women and to close Planned Parenthood.
- 52:06Speaker 10: And that's what's critically important.
- 52:08Speaker 11: These are, yeah, it's important that everyone know that it's
- 52:14Speaker 11: our bodies, right, and our choice and no one else's.
- 52:17Speaker 11: And so I'm confident that That radical law that they
- 52:24Speaker 11: signed will be declared unconstitutional. But as your guests said,
- 52:31Speaker 11: they're chipping away at Roe v. Wade, and all of
- 52:33Speaker 11: us have got to respond. So the Office of Attorney
- 52:36Speaker 11: General is unique. It's unique in the fact that there
- 52:40Speaker 11: are a number of bureaus, and particularly as we investigate
- 52:43Speaker 11: the Trump Foundation, the Trump Organization.
- 52:46Speaker 10: The NRA, opioids.
- 52:52Speaker 11: We're doing one of, you know, we have a charities bureau,
- 52:55Speaker 11: and the charities bureau has responsibility, and I think that's
- 52:59Speaker 11: a staff member, and jurisdiction over charities in the state
- 53:04Speaker 11: of New York, and it's really critically important that we
- 53:07Speaker 11: respond to the needs of donors as well as beneficiaries,
- 53:11Speaker 11: and that we make sure that organizations are adhering to
- 53:13Speaker 11: the law and comply with the law. And so that's
- 53:16Speaker 11: why we are investigating the Trump Foundation based on.
- 53:23Speaker 11: Based on the testimony of Michael Cohen and based on
- 53:27Speaker 11: other evidence that we've received.
- 53:29Speaker 1: So that's not all you're doing.
- 53:30Speaker 8: I believe the state of New York has over 200
- 53:32Speaker 8: legal actions against Trump and the administration right now. I'd
- 53:39Speaker 8: like to ask you about one in particular, which is
- 53:41Speaker 8: the 2020 census case. President Trump wants to add a
- 53:44Speaker 8: citizenship question to the 2020 census, which almost everyone involved, politicians, mathematicians, everyone,
- 53:51Speaker 8: thinks would lead to an undercount of millions of Latino, Asian,
- 53:54Speaker 8: and immigrant households. Why did your office decide to sue
- 53:58Speaker 8: over this case? And do you think we have a
- 53:59Speaker 8: chance of preventing them from adding this question?
- 54:02Speaker 11: So we argued before the Supreme Court about two weeks ago.
- 54:04Speaker 11: Barbara Underwood, the Solicitor General of the State of New York,
- 54:07Speaker 11: did an amazing job.
- 54:10Speaker 10: An amazing job. But it was difficult. It was a
- 54:13Speaker 10: difficult question.
- 54:14Speaker 11: And believe it or not, you have to laugh to
- 54:18Speaker 11: keep from crying. is because the justification that they used
- 54:22Speaker 11: is that they wanted information to enforce the Voting Rights Act.
- 54:26Speaker 11: Like as if they care about the Voting Rights Act.
- 54:29Speaker 10: But nonetheless, some of.
- 54:30Speaker 11: The jurists believed that and unfortunately, one would respect the
- 54:39Speaker 11: discretion of the Trump administration. What will happen to New
- 54:43Speaker 11: York and why this is so important is one, because
- 54:46Speaker 11: immigrants tonight are hiding in the shadow Two, because it's
- 54:49Speaker 11: going to have an impact on reapportionment. There's a possibility
- 54:52Speaker 11: in New York State, we may lose not one, but
- 54:54Speaker 11: two congressional districts. And three, we will lose federal funding
- 54:58Speaker 11: for districts and for municipalities all across the state of
- 55:01Speaker 11: New York who need it, particularly in marginalized and vulnerable populations.
- 55:06Speaker 11: It's unconscionable, but unfortunately, it's up to Roberts. It's really
- 55:10Speaker 11: up to Roberts. And so I don't know how it's
- 55:12Speaker 11: going to go. But if in fact we lose, It's
- 55:16Speaker 11: going to be up to all of us to knock
- 55:18Speaker 11: on doors and to get individuals out because they're not
- 55:21Speaker 11: going to respond to government.
- 55:23Speaker 10: They're afraid of government right now.
- 55:25Speaker 11: So we must respond to the needs of our neighbors
- 55:28Speaker 11: and communities and people in need and to tell our
- 55:32Speaker 11: allies and our friends and immigrants right now who are
- 55:34Speaker 11: under attack that we're their friends and we're here to help.
- 55:43Speaker 8: So as a lawyer, as a law enforcement person, Fishel,
- 55:46Speaker 8: I want to get your opinion. Can a president be
- 55:48Speaker 8: indicted in a state court asking for a anxious nation?
- 55:53Speaker 11: So most of our investigations are civil in nature.
- 55:57Speaker 10: They're not criminal.
- 55:59Speaker 11: And let me also go on to say you asked
- 56:00Speaker 11: me a question that I did not answer, and that
- 56:03Speaker 11: was in response to our lawsuit, the most extensive lawsuit
- 56:07Speaker 11: in this nation against manufacturers and distributors and the Sackler
- 56:11Speaker 11: family related to the opioid crisis.
- 56:13Speaker 10: In the state of New York.
- 56:14Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 56:15Speaker 1: They seem real cool.
- 56:16Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're right.
- 56:19Speaker 11: And the fact is that in New York State, nine
- 56:23Speaker 11: individuals die every day as a result of the opioid crisis,
- 56:26Speaker 11: and one of the things that I promised to mothers
- 56:28Speaker 11: and to fathers who were crying before open caskets that
- 56:31Speaker 11: I would do something about it, and that is why
- 56:32Speaker 11: I'm so proud of the Office of Attorney General, and
- 56:35Speaker 11: I'm so glad that we sued the bastards.
- 56:43Speaker 8: Speaking of suing bastards, a few weeks ago, you opened
- 56:47Speaker 8: an investigation into the NRA's status as a nonprofit. The
- 56:53Speaker 8: NRA is registered as a nonprofit in New York, which
- 56:56Speaker 8: makes it tax-exempt, but there have been reports that executives
- 56:59Speaker 8: and vendors of the organization have been siphoning off money
- 57:01Speaker 8: from their budget, millions of dollars. In fact, you said, quote,
- 57:05Speaker 8: the NRA holds itself out as a charitable organization, but
- 57:08Speaker 8: in fact, it really is a terrorist organization.
- 57:10Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's pretty straightforward, but... What did
- 57:13Speaker 1: you mean by it?
- 57:15Speaker 11: So, first of all, I said that when I was campaigning,
- 57:17Speaker 11: not as Attorney General, but as a candidate and as
- 57:19Speaker 11: a public advocate of the city of New York. I'm
- 57:21Speaker 11: in a different capacity now. I got you, Tommy.
- 57:23Speaker 2: It was a good quote.
- 57:26Speaker 1: It was.
- 57:27Speaker 10: Well, I know. I don't know. I have to be neutral.
- 57:30Speaker 11: The reality is that they're imploding, and so I want
- 57:33Speaker 11: to thank Oliver North.
- 57:34Speaker 10: Thank you.
- 57:34Speaker 11: That's all that I can say.
- 57:39Speaker 1: Okay, so, I mean.
- 57:41Speaker 8: I believe you have the power to dissolve the NRA
- 57:44Speaker 8: if you find evidence.
- 57:46Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that could happen?
- 57:48Speaker 11: So we're in the process of dissolving the Trump Foundation.
- 57:51Speaker 11: And because we have jurisdiction over charitable organizations, and that
- 57:58Speaker 11: includes the NRA Foundation, that is but one remedy that
- 58:03Speaker 11: we could possibly pursue. Let me also give a shout
- 58:05Speaker 11: out to Jarrett Hova, who's here somewhere.
- 58:07Speaker 10: He's a staff member. Jarrett, how are you? How are
- 58:10Speaker 10: you doing? And your lovely wife, Mallory.
- 58:14Speaker 1: Serious Jarrett fans in the front row here. Okay.
- 58:17Speaker 8: So I feel like you didn't want to take that one.
- 58:18Speaker 8: So purely hypothetical question. So let's say I work at
- 58:23Speaker 8: a fascist pro-machine gun rights organization. We have a leader,
- 58:28Speaker 8: let's call him Dwayne the Rock LaPierre. He spent 275
- 58:34Speaker 8: grand at a tacky boutique in Beverly Hills. Would that
- 58:38Speaker 8: kind of blatant corruption and spending of a non-profit's money
- 58:43Speaker 8: make you want to dissolve Dwayne's charity?
- 58:46Speaker 11: It would make me want to initiate an inquiry and investigation.
- 58:50Speaker 1: Okay, got it. Okay, so.
- 58:55Speaker 8: The first two years of the Trump administration, there was
- 58:57Speaker 8: just no oversight by Congress, right? I mean, it was
- 58:59Speaker 8: Republicans who let him do whatever they wanted. Now that
- 59:03Speaker 8: Democrats control the House, they're being stonewalled. I mean, how
- 59:05Speaker 8: do you think states like New York can fill those
- 59:09Speaker 8: oversight gaps?
- 59:10Speaker 11: So it's really critically important, and it's important that everyone understand,
- 59:13Speaker 11: attorney generals all across this nation But most importantly, Democratic
- 59:17Speaker 11: Attorney Generals have been the firmest pillar of our democracy.
- 59:21Speaker 11: And we have been active in filing lawsuits from the
- 59:25Speaker 11: beginning of time, from DACA to protecting immigrants, protecting the EPA,
- 59:30Speaker 11: standing up for the LGBT community, standing up for women,
- 59:33Speaker 11: Title 20, the opioid crisis. standing up for standards in
- 59:39Speaker 11: school lunch, and the list goes on and on and on.
- 59:42Speaker 11: Each and every day I wake up, I go to
- 59:44Speaker 11: the office, I find out what he decided to rescind, repeal,
- 59:48Speaker 11: I sue him, and then I go home.
- 59:49Speaker 8: Does it drive you crazy when the President of the
- 59:57Speaker 8: United States was running a charity that was just clearly
- 1:00:00Speaker 8: designed to allow him to self-deal and that Congress doesn't
- 1:00:03Speaker 8: do anything about it?
- 1:00:04Speaker 10: It drives me crazy.
- 1:00:06Speaker 11: And it's the reason why I ran for the Attorney General.
- 1:00:10Speaker 11: Because our values and our democracy is at risk. Because
- 1:00:15Speaker 11: we live in a country where you have a individual
- 1:00:18Speaker 11: who's impugning the free press, the independent judiciary. He's attacking immigrants,
- 1:00:26Speaker 11: vulnerable populations. He's destroying institutions. He has no respect for
- 1:00:30Speaker 11: the rule of law. That's what drives me crazy. And
- 1:00:36Speaker 11: that's why I ran for the Office of Attorney General.
- 1:00:40Speaker 11: It was the fierce urgency of now. But it's not
- 1:00:43Speaker 11: just me. Let me step outside of the Office of
- 1:00:45Speaker 11: Attorney General. It's going to be up to all of you.
- 1:00:48Speaker 11: We live in a bubble. We live in New York
- 1:00:50Speaker 11: City and New York State.
- 1:00:52Speaker 10: We need to.
- 1:00:52Speaker 11: Leave this comfortable blue, blue, blue state and city. We
- 1:00:57Speaker 11: need to go to Alabama and Georgia and Mississippi and
- 1:01:00Speaker 11: all of those red states and talk to individuals and
- 1:01:05Speaker 11: register individuals and all of those states that are struggling
- 1:01:08Speaker 11: under the weight of poverty and all of those women
- 1:01:10Speaker 11: right now who unfortunately are being treated like second-class citizens.
- 1:01:14Speaker 10: That's what we need to do.
- 1:01:15Speaker 11: It's really critically important that, again, we get ready for
- 1:01:19Speaker 11: 2020 and that we make sure that we have a
- 1:01:23Speaker 11: democracy that believes in liberty and freedom and justice for all.
- 1:01:33Speaker 8: You tweeted that this draconian, horrible new abortion law in
- 1:01:39Speaker 8: Alabama infringes on the rights that have already been protected
- 1:01:42Speaker 8: and we'll continue to protect them in New York. Are
- 1:01:45Speaker 8: there steps that states can and should take to protect
- 1:01:48Speaker 8: women's health before we get to that point?
- 1:01:50Speaker 11: So in New York, you know, the governor and the
- 1:01:54Speaker 11: governor were attempting to codify Roe v. Wade so that
- 1:01:58Speaker 11: women's rights are protected in New York state. And we
- 1:02:02Speaker 11: just have to make sure that We protect the woman's right.
- 1:02:07Speaker 11: We have to make sure that individuals are properly escorted,
- 1:02:10Speaker 11: that we can provide transportation to them. And the abortion
- 1:02:13Speaker 11: pill is now on the internet.
- 1:02:15Speaker 2: So.
- 1:02:16Speaker 3: All right.
- 1:02:21Speaker 1: Unexpected applause line. Mayor Bill de Blasio.
- 1:02:27Speaker 8: Launched his campaign for president. John Lovett endorsed him tonight.
- 1:02:36Speaker 8: How excited are you 1 to 10 about President de
- 1:02:40Speaker 8: Blasio's campaign?
- 1:02:48Speaker 1: Okay.
- 1:02:51Speaker 6: No, seriously.
- 1:02:53Speaker 11: Listen, we need a mayor who is going to be
- 1:02:55Speaker 11: on the job 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
- 1:03:01Speaker 11: And so I ask the question, Has the crisis in
- 1:03:04Speaker 11: affordable housing been addressed?
- 1:03:06Speaker 2: No.
- 1:03:07Speaker 10: Has income inequality been addressed?
- 1:03:09Speaker 5: No.
- 1:03:10Speaker 10: Equal pay for equal work?
- 1:03:12Speaker 5: No.
- 1:03:14Speaker 11: How about cyclists who unfortunately are dying on our streets
- 1:03:17Speaker 11: as a result of crashes? Has that been addressed?
- 1:03:20Speaker 2: No.
- 1:03:21Speaker 10: Environmental issues, has that been addressed?
- 1:03:23Speaker 5: No.
- 1:03:24Speaker 10: So what is the legacy? What are you running on?
- 1:03:27Speaker 11: Has school segregation been addressed?
- 1:03:30Speaker 5: No.
- 1:03:31Speaker 11: So all of these issues and more, obviously, listen, he
- 1:03:34Speaker 11: could run, he's the 23rd candidate, I understand that, but
- 1:03:38Speaker 11: the question is why?
- 1:03:41Speaker 10: Por que? Like, what's up?
- 1:03:47Speaker 1: But he's a friend. Final question. Final question.
- 1:04:04Speaker 8: Is there any chance that your office is planning to
- 1:04:08Speaker 8: investigate the NBA or the NBA draft lottery? Because there
- 1:04:14Speaker 8: is something happened.
- 1:04:16Speaker 1: People are upset.
- 1:04:19Speaker 11: So I don't know if you know, Tommy, my history
- 1:04:21Speaker 11: with the NBA and my history with the New York,
- 1:04:23Speaker 11: New Jersey, Brooklyn Nets.
- 1:04:25Speaker 6: I don't know if you know my history.
- 1:04:26Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:04:27Speaker 10: So, well, they're the worst team in the NBA.
- 1:04:31Speaker 2: Okay.
- 1:04:32Speaker 10: Anyway, so, no.
- 1:04:41Speaker 1: That's all I got.
- 1:04:42Speaker 8: I mean, this was the most fun interview I've ever
- 1:04:44Speaker 8: done on a stage. Your Attorney General, Letitia James.
- 1:05:00Speaker 1: We get a... Got a broom and a dustpan. There's
- 1:05:03Speaker 1: chunks of Bill de Blasio all over the stage. Holy shit.
- 1:05:15Speaker 7: Can I just say, I love black people so much.
- 1:05:21Speaker 3: That's all. Love us.
- 1:05:26Speaker 1: Shall we play a game? Yeah. New York. Home to
- 1:05:34Speaker 1: the best pizza. And some of the best people on
- 1:05:41Speaker 1: the planet. People like Jared Kushner. And Bernie Madoff. And
- 1:05:48Speaker 1: of course, Zion Williamson. Explain the joke. Don't worry.
- 1:05:57Speaker 2: He writes them himself.
- 1:05:58Speaker 1: I'm sure the Knicks... will land a big free agent
- 1:06:02Speaker 1: like Al Horford. I read sports jokes like Trump reads
- 1:06:08Speaker 1: condolence letters. It doesn't ring true. And each time I
- 1:06:17Speaker 1: read something about sports, I feel like I'm crawling through
- 1:06:21Speaker 1: the Indiana Jones, like blades are gonna come out, I
- 1:06:26Speaker 1: gotta know how to spell the name of God, like
- 1:06:27Speaker 1: I don't know what anything's happening. Al Horford. But New
- 1:06:35Speaker 1: York isn't just a city for rich young people who
- 1:06:37Speaker 1: want to pretend they're in Broad City for a few
- 1:06:38Speaker 1: years before they finally get a job selling predatory loans
- 1:06:41Speaker 1: at Wells Fargo while developing a cocaine addiction. It also
- 1:06:48Speaker 1: happens to be the home to the Southern District of
- 1:06:50Speaker 1: New York, the U.S. District Court that has the best
- 1:06:55Speaker 1: chance of taking down Donald Trump. You see, Donald Trump
- 1:07:00Speaker 1: can't pardon folks over crimes committed at the state level.
- 1:07:03Speaker 1: According to the Mueller report, Big Daddy Bobby M and
- 1:07:05Speaker 1: his team of 12 socialist FBI agents referred 14 different
- 1:07:10Speaker 1: cases to other jurisdictions, and because of that, New York
- 1:07:13Speaker 1: is looking at a lot of shit. Between the Mueller
- 1:07:16Speaker 1: probe and other investigations, the public currently knows about six
- 1:07:19Speaker 1: different Trump investigations ongoing here in New York, with most
- 1:07:22Speaker 1: journalists thinking there are many more behind the scenes. In fact,
- 1:07:25Speaker 1: SDNY has so many current investigations, we don't think you'll
- 1:07:28Speaker 1: be able to tell what's real and what's fake in
- 1:07:30Speaker 1: a game we're calling The Only Living Boy in New
- 1:07:32Speaker 1: York Not Being Investigated by the Southern District of New York.
- 1:07:39Speaker 1: Travis is out there with a microphone. Would someone out
- 1:07:41Speaker 1: there like to play the game? Get him, Travis. Hi,
- 1:07:49Speaker 1: what's your name? Katie. Katie, where are you from, Katie?
- 1:07:52Speaker 4: I am from New York.
- 1:07:53Speaker 1: Well, Queens, yes.
- 1:07:54Speaker 7: You could get judged.
- 1:08:00Speaker 1: Unacceptable. Unacceptable. What do you do here in New York City?
- 1:08:06Speaker 1: I have a hair salon in Murray Hill. All right. Katie,
- 1:08:13Speaker 1: are you familiar with the president's crimes?
- 1:08:16Speaker 2: Oh, all of them.
- 1:08:18Speaker 1: Okay, then you're ready for this game. Here's how it works.
- 1:08:20Speaker 1: The panelists will tell you about four different investigations, and
- 1:08:23Speaker 1: you have to tell us which one is a real investigation.
- 1:08:26Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yes. Question one, Katie. Which of the
- 1:08:29Speaker 1: following is a real investigation currently being undertaken by the
- 1:08:31Speaker 1: Southern District of New York? Is it A?
- 1:08:34Speaker 2: Investigators are examining evidence that Jared Kushner offered Russian oligarchs
- 1:08:38Speaker 2: access to the president if... They promised to bury footage
- 1:08:41Speaker 2: of Kushner walking around in a sailor outfit while carrying
- 1:08:44Speaker 2: a giant lollipop.
- 1:08:47Speaker 1: Or is it me?
- 1:08:49Speaker 7: They're investigating Donald Trump Jr. for allegedly approaching White House
- 1:08:53Speaker 7: tour goers and offering to show them the bedroom where
- 1:08:57Speaker 7: Abe Lincoln totally boned for 10 Or is it C?
- 1:08:56Speaker 9: They're investigating the Trump Organization, its chief financial officer, and
- 1:09:06Speaker 9: top executives to determine their role in payments to women
- 1:09:09Speaker 9: to never discuss their sexual affairs with Trump, which.
- 1:09:12Speaker 1: Is something a lot of women would do for free.
- 1:09:15Speaker 2: Or is it D?
- 1:09:16Speaker 4: They're looking into Trump campaign spending on the inauguration and
- 1:09:19Speaker 4: whether future Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross really ate $ 100, 000 worth
- 1:09:24Speaker 4: of split pea soup at the Trump International.
- 1:09:27Speaker 1: What do you think, Katie?
- 1:09:28Speaker 2: I'm going with the Tommy option.
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: You got it. You got it. Question two. Which of
- 1:09:37Speaker 1: the following is a real investigation currently being undertaken by
- 1:09:40Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York? Is it A.
- 1:09:42Speaker 2: They're weighing additional charges against Michael Cohen for watching Goodfellas
- 1:09:45Speaker 2: on his iPhone on a plane, full volume, no headphones
- 1:09:49Speaker 2: or anything.
- 1:09:51Speaker 1: Literal monsters are doing this. Is it B?
- 1:09:54Speaker 7: Prosecutors are attempting to determine if there is any truth
- 1:09:58Speaker 7: to Jared Kushner's claim that he is the smoothest little
- 1:10:01Speaker 7: boy in all the land.
- 1:10:02Speaker 2: That one's weird.
- 1:10:04Speaker 1: That one's weird if that's true. If that's it, it's weird. Weird.
- 1:10:11Speaker 1: Or is it C?
- 1:10:13Speaker 8: Investigators are weighing obstruction charges against President Trump. At issue
- 1:10:16Speaker 8: is whether it is unlawful to attempt to collude with
- 1:10:18Speaker 8: people who do not exist, like Thanos or moderate Republicans.
- 1:10:24Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to that one in one second.
- 1:10:26Speaker 1: Just remember what Tommy said. Keep that in your mind.
- 1:10:28Speaker 1: Or is it D?
- 1:10:29Speaker 4: They're investigating two lobbying firms that worked with Paul Manafort
- 1:10:32Speaker 4: to determine whether they violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act,
- 1:10:35Speaker 4: which could make lobbyists everywhere appear somewhat dishonest and possibly
- 1:10:39Speaker 4: even tarnish democracy. the sterling reputation of the lobbying industry?
- 1:10:44Speaker 2: That last one really messed me up.
- 1:10:50Speaker 1: God. Let's have an answer, Katie. So many. I'm sorry,
- 1:10:54Speaker 1: you're wrong. It was D. Did Tommy say Thanos? Is
- 1:11:00Speaker 1: it Thanos? Unbelievable.
- 1:11:04Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
- 1:11:05Speaker 1: Of course you didn't see the movie. Nobody with cheekbones
- 1:11:08Speaker 1: like that saw the movie.
- 1:11:12Speaker 8: We came into the office on Monday and Lovett yelled
- 1:11:14Speaker 8: at us for not seeing this stupid fucking movie.
- 1:11:16Speaker 1: I like to call Tommy, Pod Save America's Jared Kushner type.
- 1:11:23Speaker 7: Oh.
- 1:11:24Speaker 1: Shots fired. I am very smooth. Very smooth. Question three.
- 1:11:33Speaker 1: Which one of these is real? Is it A?
- 1:11:35Speaker 2: They're investigating weekly $ 5, 000 stipends allocated to Melania for, quote,
- 1:11:40Speaker 2: touching Donald's hands in public, or at least not being
- 1:11:44Speaker 2: too obvious about slapping them away.
- 1:11:47Speaker 1: Or is it B?
- 1:11:48Speaker 6: They're attempting to determine whether the Trump Organization committed insurance
- 1:11:52Speaker 6: fraud by submitting inflated claims in past years, or conversely,
- 1:11:57Speaker 6: whether insurance claims are the one area where Trump has
- 1:12:00Speaker 6: been totally forthright and honest.
- 1:12:03Speaker 1: Or is it C?
- 1:12:05Speaker 8: They're looking into reports that Jeff Sessions offered several members
- 1:12:08Speaker 8: of Trump's campaign staff $ 100 to punch him in the
- 1:12:11Speaker 8: stomach as hard as they could.
- 1:12:14Speaker 1: Or is it D?
- 1:12:16Speaker 4: Investigators are examining the finances of Trump Steaks to determine
- 1:12:19Speaker 4: how Trump managed to sell world-class USDA Prime-certified Angus beefsteaks
- 1:12:24Speaker 4: at such incredible prices. Today's episode is brought to you
- 1:12:27Speaker 4: by Trump Steaks.
- 1:12:28Speaker 1: Trump Steaks, it's the art of the veal. Dan, I'm
- 1:12:33Speaker 1: sorry that you missed.
- 1:12:34Speaker 4: Sadly, I'm going to say B because everything should be investigated.
- 1:12:38Speaker 1: Yes, it's B. You got it. Sorry, Dan, that we
- 1:12:41Speaker 1: made you say that part. Question four, which is real.
- 1:12:46Speaker 1: Is it A?
- 1:12:48Speaker 2: They're investigating whether the President's inaugural committee, including whether the
- 1:12:51Speaker 2: committee accepted illegal donations from foreign nationals and submitted false
- 1:12:55Speaker 2: information to the FEC, while simultaneously reminding everyone that Three
- 1:13:00Speaker 2: Doors Down actually played live in concert at the Lincoln Memorial.
- 1:13:05Speaker 1: Or is it B?
- 1:13:07Speaker 7: Okay, before I read it, do you guys dare me
- 1:13:09Speaker 7: to name one Three Doors Down song?
- 1:13:12Speaker 5: Yes.
- 1:13:12Speaker 2: Name two and sing it.
- 1:13:13Speaker 3: Two?
- 1:13:14Speaker 1: Ooh.
- 1:13:15Speaker 2: Give us a couple notes.
- 1:13:19Speaker 3: Wait, that one song.
- 1:13:20Speaker 7: I'm here without you, baby.
- 1:13:23Speaker 6: That's them for sure, right?
- 1:13:25Speaker 1: Is that them? I don't know.
- 1:13:27Speaker 3: I feel like it might be.
- 1:13:28Speaker 2: It's like them, One Republic.
- 1:13:30Speaker 3: It's all the same. Yeah, it's all.
- 1:13:32Speaker 1: Did you read your answer yet?
- 1:13:33Speaker 7: No.
- 1:13:33Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Or is it B?
- 1:13:38Speaker 7: Investigators have been examining issues surrounding the so-called P-Tape. Specifically,
- 1:13:42Speaker 7: they've been tricking each other into watching it. Then they
- 1:13:46Speaker 7: laugh and laugh. Being a federal investigator is a challenging job,
- 1:13:50Speaker 7: but it can be fun, too.
- 1:13:53Speaker 1: Or is it C? Two Trumps, one tape. They're looking
- 1:13:56Speaker 1: into whether....
- 1:14:00Speaker 8: They're looking into whether Donald Trump has been selling bootleg
- 1:14:02Speaker 8: copies of Home Alone 2, Lost in New York, from
- 1:14:06Speaker 8: the Mar-a-Lago gift shop.
- 1:14:08Speaker 1: No one has accused him of this. It just feels
- 1:14:09Speaker 1: like something he would do. Or is it D?
- 1:14:12Speaker 4: Investigators are looking into whether Saturday Night Live has been
- 1:14:14Speaker 4: clandestinely granted high-level security clearance, since let me tell you,
- 1:14:18Speaker 4: those skits are pretty close to reality with this knucklehead administration.
- 1:14:22Speaker 1: Dan, that one was brutal. It's like, what happened to
- 1:14:26Speaker 1: the joke writers?
- 1:14:28Speaker 2: I'm going to go with A.
- 1:14:30Speaker 1: You got it. And Katie, you've won the game. Guys,
- 1:14:38Speaker 1: give it up for Katie from Queens. Thank you to
- 1:14:41Speaker 1: Letitia James. Thank you to Akilah Hughes. And thank you, Brooklyn,
- 1:14:45Speaker 1: for coming out.
- 1:14:47Speaker 2: We'll see you soon.