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Episode 15_ 25 Years Later_ Face to Face(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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Speaker 1: Oh you, Demanda Bote already did.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last year, after our first trip to Rome to
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Speaker 2: investigate this case, I told Lee Clark about how he'd
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Speaker 2: spoken to several members of Brian Bowling's family, including Brian's
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Speaker 2: sister Amanda. Oh no, she was really nice and helpful,
0:32
Speaker 2: and she wanted to tell someone about her brother. She
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Speaker 2: wants her brother's story to be told. Lee asked me
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Speaker 2: if Amanda thought that he had killed Brian. Yes, I
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Speaker 2: told him she does, even after all these years in prison.
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Speaker 2: Lee seemed kind of surprised every time I had to
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Speaker 2: tell him this that someone had spoken to had in
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Speaker 2: fact believed he was guilty.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what lay about. I'll let's of
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Speaker 1: you now. I don't say anybody down there at the
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Speaker 1: house at night. I see how they at anybody complete
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Speaker 1: that I was outside. I just don't make no sense
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Speaker 1: to me.
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Speaker 2: Well, Brian's family never got closure because they still don't.
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Speaker 2: None of them feel like they know what happened.
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Speaker 1: No, they don't. But I'll tell you this right here, Susan,
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Speaker 1: don't for one second on everything that I don't feel.
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Speaker 1: Simp you do for them for them losing her son,
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Speaker 1: I do, my heart goes out to them. It really does.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine what it's like to sit
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Speaker 1: here and have somebody that you love to lose them
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Speaker 1: to such a young age. My heart pours out to them.
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Speaker 1: What they don't realize is I'll sit behind these walls
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Speaker 1: for all these years and that stuff. It's at at
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Speaker 1: least to sit there and know if Brian is dead
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Speaker 1: here he's here, is it's gone at a young age,
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Speaker 1: never had a chance to leave his life. But the
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Speaker 1: same way, they haven't had to get closer because they
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Speaker 1: don't know what went on in their room. Well, I'm
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Speaker 1: in the same I'm in the same shoes there. I
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Speaker 1: want some closure for myself too. The problem the probably
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Speaker 1: get all kinds of shilp in their mind. They've probably
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Speaker 1: naked and I got a lot of heelpen and thorn
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Speaker 1: and I don't. But it would mean the world to
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Speaker 1: me for one day, for minded even love me and
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Speaker 1: I her and fail me if she knows if I
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Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with anything to happen with
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Speaker 1: her brother.
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Speaker 3: Hi.
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Speaker 2: My name is Susan Simpson. I'm an attorney and podcaster.
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Speaker 4: Hi.
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Speaker 5: I'm just in to Davis and I'm a true crime
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Speaker 5: TV producer. Last year, Susan and I decided to team
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Speaker 5: up and reinvestigate the murder of Brian Bowling. Along with
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Speaker 5: Kevin Fitzpatrick, president of Red Marble Media, we decided to
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Speaker 5: launch Proof. You can listen to Proof like you would
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Speaker 5: any podcast, and you can follow us everywhere with the
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Speaker 5: handle at proofcrime pod and on our website proofcrimepod dot com.
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Speaker 2: For this episode of Proof, we have accompanying videos that
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Speaker 2: you won't on a miss. You can check them out
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Speaker 2: on our YouTube page or linked on social media. Wrongful
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Speaker 2: convictions don't just affect those who have been wrongfully convicted.
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Speaker 2: These cases have deep and traumatic impacts in the wider
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Speaker 2: community around them, including especially on crime victims and their families, who,
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Speaker 2: when they find out that the criminal justice system never
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Speaker 2: given the answers that they thought they'd found, are victimized
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Speaker 2: for a second time. Most of the time, for the
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Speaker 2: families of victims, the process of coming to terms with
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Speaker 2: a wrongful conviction doesn't begin after there's been in its honeration,
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Speaker 2: until after the legal systems declared that someone innocent was
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Speaker 2: convicted of the crime, which is why I have surprised
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Speaker 2: when a few weeks back, Brian's uncle, Michael Baker sent
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Speaker 2: me a message. Do you think it'd be possible for
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Speaker 2: me to meet with Glenn Clark? He asked, We asked
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Speaker 2: Glenn thought about the idea. He was open to it,
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Speaker 2: but also hesitant. I think he was a little nervous,
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Speaker 2: even though he told us he wasn't.
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Speaker 5: Were you worried, though?
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Speaker 6: Are you worried about what.
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Speaker 2: They might want to say to you?
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Speaker 6: I ain't nothing say that I can't answer. I don't
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Speaker 6: care what it is.
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Speaker 4: They ain't nothing, adn't say that I can't answer for them.
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Speaker 2: Not long after I'd gotten the message from Brian's uncle,
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Speaker 2: Amanda sent a message to Glenn via Facebook.
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Speaker 5: Do you still have the message that Amanda sent you?
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Speaker 5: Would you mind meeting it to us?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: I read it to you. It says, mister Clark.
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Speaker 4: I would like to start off by saying I am
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Speaker 4: truly sorry from the bottom of my heart, and so
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Speaker 4: about the last twenty five years.
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Speaker 7: Lay deserves to be home. He should have never been
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Speaker 7: charged or in prison. I pray Lee can't forgive me
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Speaker 7: one day for believe in what Dallas told us. I
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Speaker 7: have been praying so hard for God to help me
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Speaker 7: with this my mind and my heart has changed how
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Speaker 7: I feel Lee had nothing to do with my brother's death.
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Speaker 7: There is no way I can ever make it up
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Speaker 7: to Lee or you for the past twenty five years.
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Speaker 7: I pray you all can't forgive me and my family.
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Speaker 7: I just wanted to tell you this and if you
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Speaker 7: could please.
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Speaker 4: Read this Lee and tell him I am so sorry
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Speaker 4: and I pray he gets to get set free. If
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Speaker 4: there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
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Speaker 5: Prayer to Brain's stuff. Brain's family and King's family hadding
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Speaker 5: on one another Kane's conviction. They continue to be in
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Speaker 5: touch from time to time, no matter how strange those
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Speaker 5: interactions might have been. But Brian's family and Lee's family
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Speaker 5: had never met. The only time they'd ever laid eyes
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Speaker 5: on one another had been at the courthouse during Lee's
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Speaker 5: and Kane's trial. In fact, before Amanda sent her message
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Speaker 5: to Lee's dad, the two families had never contacted one another.
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Speaker 6: It took a lot for her to do that. I'm
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Speaker 6: just telling you I didn't.
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Speaker 4: I didn't respond to that because it's hard for me
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Speaker 4: to respond and show feeding on a text. I ain't
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Speaker 4: a texture. I'm a talker, but that was real sweet
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Speaker 4: for her to do that.
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Speaker 7: Okay, she says, she hopes you can forgive her.
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Speaker 5: Does she need forgive her?
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Speaker 6: Care herd I gave her. I love her.
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Speaker 4: She was done wrong, you know. And I'm not saying
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Speaker 4: that they owed me anything. They did not.
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Speaker 5: Susan, Kevin and I traveled down to Rome, Georgia and
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Speaker 5: arranged for Glenn to meet with Michael and Amanda at
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Speaker 5: Glenn's church in Cave Spring.
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Speaker 4: My heart was heavy for me, you know, because I
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Speaker 4: know they're going through the hard time. I want to
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Speaker 4: talk to him. I love to talk to him to
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Speaker 4: just let them know that I have no hard feelings
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Speaker 4: told them whatsoever. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: Are you ready?
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, all right, let's do this. I'm ready. Swee.
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Speaker 6: I read what you put on Facebook. I pray for you.
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Speaker 6: Lord take care of everything.
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Speaker 4: Okay, We'll put all our faith in him, He take
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Speaker 4: care of the rest.
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, I say, man, let's see you. Man,
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Speaker 6: I've never got to meet neither want you'll never meet you.
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Speaker 6: I kind of feel bad.
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Speaker 2: About that, really bad about that.
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Speaker 8: We've really wanted to meet with you and talk with you.
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Speaker 8: The other side of the story finally after all these years,
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Speaker 8: and honestly, we're on your side.
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Speaker 6: Man.
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Speaker 8: We praise Yeah, we know that he's innocent. A lot
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Speaker 8: of people's not been truthful. We want to do what
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Speaker 8: we could do to help you and to help Lee
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Speaker 8: and to get him out of this mess. Like I said,
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Speaker 8: after all this, we agree on thousand percent over that
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Speaker 8: Lee had nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: The members of Brian's family that we spoke to all
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Speaker 5: agreed to be interviewed for this podcast. They wanted Brian's
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Speaker 5: story to be told, but this hasn't been an easy
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Speaker 5: process for them.
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Speaker 6: How difficult had there last few.
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Speaker 8: Months then it has been difficult to listen to it,
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Speaker 8: kind of reliving the whole thing again. We went through
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Speaker 8: this year's you know, a couple of years before the trial,
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Speaker 8: just pure hell. I mean, we're open to opening our
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Speaker 8: wounds again just for the real true answers, and we
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Speaker 8: don't want anyone that sent us it to be in jail,
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Speaker 8: and we feelt guilt for that.
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Speaker 7: It's a hard process and I've impressed and Reform that
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Speaker 7: your family has been so open to this process because
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Speaker 7: it's hard.
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Speaker 6: It is hard.
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Speaker 2: It is very hard, very hard, but.
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Speaker 8: We're doing it for the whole family. You know, my sister,
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Speaker 8: her and her husband both had passed my mother and father.
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Speaker 8: But that's all we've been looking for as answers.
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Speaker 5: Listening to this podcast reopened old wounds for Brian's family,
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Speaker 5: but it also opened entirely new ones. They learned that
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Speaker 5: the justice they thought had been obtained in this case
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Speaker 5: had it been justice at all, and that as a
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Speaker 5: result of Brian's tragic death, two of his friends have
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Speaker 5: been wrongfully taken from their families and sent to prison
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Speaker 5: for the past twenty five years.
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Speaker 8: We definitely sincere from bottom of our heart's apologize. We
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Speaker 8: feel somewhat it fault for it, but we hope you
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Speaker 8: understand it was what we were being fed from the
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Speaker 8: police department. Yeah, and from all the rumors, and we're
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Speaker 8: glad after all these years to discover the truth.
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Speaker 4: Well answer prayer, my friend, I've been praying for it
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Speaker 4: for a long long time. How you have some and
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Speaker 4: I hated that y'all been put through what y'all been
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Speaker 4: put through, and my mind, I thank you for what
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Speaker 4: you sent out to me and it meant a lot
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Speaker 4: to me.
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Speaker 6: And I did read that to Lee and he was
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Speaker 6: he was choked up. Baby. He was. He was, he
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Speaker 6: really was. And I'll tell y'all both it. He don't.
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Speaker 6: He don't have no hard feeding toward y'all.
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Speaker 5: Glenn says that when this first happened twenty five years ago,
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Speaker 5: he did have mixed feelings about the bullyings and what
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Speaker 5: had happened to his son A.
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Speaker 4: Long long time ago, long time ago, when all this
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Speaker 4: first went down.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I had some mixed feelings.
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Speaker 4: You know, you know, you know, I actually you know,
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Speaker 4: and you know, he said, Diddy, he said, you know,
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Speaker 4: it's we didn't do it.
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Speaker 6: He said, we didn't do it, you know. And uh,
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Speaker 6: with all this.
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Speaker 4: Stuff going on, with battles and all this, and he
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Speaker 4: feeding y'all all this stuff, and I understand, Hey, i'd
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Speaker 4: have been a slave boy.
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Speaker 6: I would have been. I mean, you don't you didn't
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Speaker 6: know who Lee was.
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Speaker 5: Glenn came to realize, though, that Brian's family had also
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Speaker 5: been victims of the investigation that was done in this case.
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Speaker 4: He said, two young boys off of prison for something
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Speaker 4: they didn't even do, and they destroyed this family right here.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they took something from them and stuff. It's
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Speaker 4: going to Hey, look here, everything's going after everything's gone,
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Speaker 4: they still I.
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Speaker 6: Still gotta live with it. They gotta live with it.
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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I'm gonna live with it.
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Speaker 4: But to me, mine's not as bad as theirs. Even
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Speaker 4: though my son been locked up twenty five years. My
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Speaker 4: son will get to come home Brian, ain't.
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Speaker 3: I want you to know how sorry and deeply sorry
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Speaker 3: I am for every doubt and listening to the colts.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we're supposed to be able to
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Speaker 3: trust them, you know, and they're not supposed to.
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Speaker 6: Do us like that.
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Speaker 3: So I blame I blame the system. I blame the Dallas.
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Speaker 6: It was a different for me, But it's just the
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Speaker 6: way that they use y'all to do what.
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Speaker 4: They do, what you want to do, get y'all think,
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Speaker 4: and hey, look, yeah he done it. He needs to
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Speaker 4: go with prison, this and that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's all that was. And it been the
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Speaker 6: same way it had been on myself.
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Speaker 5: When Cain and Lee were convicted, Brian's family had not
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Speaker 5: doubted that they were guilty of conspiring to murder Brian,
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Speaker 5: but at the same time, they'd always been hesitant about
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Speaker 5: some aspects of the prosecution's case. Take, for instance, the
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Speaker 5: theory that Brian had been murdered because of the Freebird gang.
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Speaker 5: As Glenn pointed out during the meeting with Brian's family,
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Speaker 5: it was the centerpiece of the prosecution's.
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Speaker 4: Case, and the disc attorney says, look, and he said,
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Speaker 4: disinclosed arm.
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Speaker 6: We're going to set as an example here.
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Speaker 8: Today that we're not gonna take gangs.
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Speaker 6: If Floacan were not tolerant gangs. There ain't no gang,
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Speaker 6: ain't no gang. But what he did, he puts in
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Speaker 6: the jurorsm in they're head Oh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 8: So there was a group of kids, just a group
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Speaker 8: of boys, And I never believed for one minute about
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Speaker 8: a gang. They've wasted us over and over about games.
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Speaker 8: We got to tell them, you know, it's just a
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Speaker 8: group of kids.
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Speaker 2: The gaps and inconsistencies in the prosecution's case meant that
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Speaker 2: even though Brian's family got the verdict that they believed
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Speaker 2: to be just, there'd been no sense of closure for them.
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Speaker 2: Y'all didn't ever get an answer. It never really was
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Speaker 2: totally resolved for you, y'all.
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Speaker 6: Y'all never was at peace with.
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Speaker 8: It, even on behalf of my sister Deborah, Brian's mom.
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Speaker 8: You know, her and her husband both have passed away,
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Speaker 8: but even after the trial, she still sleeeked the truth.
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Speaker 6: From then on.
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Speaker 8: So I know in my heart that she knew in
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Speaker 8: her heart that something wasn't right well while we were
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Speaker 8: being fed and she went to her grave trying to figure.
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Speaker 6: Out a man. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I know she's here with us, amen, and I
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Speaker 8: know she knows that we're doing the right thing.
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Speaker 2: The lingering uncertainties about some aspects of the state's case
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Speaker 2: had been one of the reasons why when we'd asked
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Speaker 2: to interview them for this podcast, Bryan's family had agreed.
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Speaker 8: That's kind of why we've been so open to all
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Speaker 8: of this, because we wanted to know the truth. That's
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Speaker 8: kind of why we're listening, you know, to the whole
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Speaker 8: podcast to kind of get to the other side of
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Speaker 8: the story, because you know, we'd never heard from Lee
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Speaker 8: or your family, and very little from the stories, you know,
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Speaker 8: so we just wanted to make sure that all the
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Speaker 8: truth was out there and for us to make up
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Speaker 8: our mind you know what truly happened, because, like I said,
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Speaker 8: for years and years ever since, you know, all the years,
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Speaker 8: we just didn't feel right that it was the truth.
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Speaker 8: There's still something missing.
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Speaker 2: The whole process of participating in and then listening to
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Speaker 2: the podcast has probably been hardest on the ada. For weeks,
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Speaker 2: she'd be up at five am every Monday to listen
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Speaker 2: to the newest episode as soon as it was released.
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Speaker 2: At first, hearing Kin and Lee deny that they had
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Speaker 2: murdered her brother had been upsetting, But then listening to
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Speaker 2: the podcast started to become difficult for a different reason.
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Speaker 3: When this podcast come out, it really really took a
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Speaker 3: toll on me, because, you know, I felt bad for
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Speaker 3: believing that for twenty five years.
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Speaker 2: You know, but when we first talked to you, I
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Speaker 2: remember being struck by how little you and Kenneth knew,
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Speaker 2: how little had ever been shared with you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we was kind of shielded from it.
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Speaker 5: Week by week, as she listened to the podcast, Amanda
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Speaker 5: started to realize that what she thought she knew about
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Speaker 5: the case, what she'd been told about the case all
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Speaker 5: those years ago, was not necessarily the reality of what
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Speaker 5: had happened.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it takes a lot to convince somebody
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Speaker 3: thing that they thought of for so long. It's hard
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Speaker 3: to convince them that something really didn't happen.
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Speaker 5: I was hoping Amanda Michael, if you could talk to
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Speaker 5: Glenn a little bit about your personal process of changing
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Speaker 5: your minds, your hearts, about what happened and how how
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Speaker 5: that's been for you.
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Speaker 3: It's been. It's been rough, you know it. I I
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Speaker 3: spent many a night on my knees praying because you know,
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Speaker 3: I always thought that he did right, you know, And
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Speaker 3: I've been praying, and you know that's helped me get through.
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Speaker 3: This is praying, mm I pray now without that, I
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Speaker 3: just I'm not too sure. But whenever all this has
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Speaker 3: come out about Dallas, it's when my whole outlook changed
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Speaker 3: when I heard and seeing the things that he had done.
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Speaker 5: In the lead up to the trial, investigators had been
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Speaker 5: telling Brian's family that they had solid proof that Lee
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Speaker 5: had been at the Bowlings trailer that night and they
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Speaker 5: had no reason to doubt this.
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Speaker 8: The only thing we could go on was the Charlie
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Speaker 8: Childer's statement, which was long after the fact as well.
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Speaker 8: Yeah but yeah, kind of the turning point was a
18:26
Speaker 8: lot of things on the podcast. They kept telling us
18:29
Speaker 8: that they sent his body to the crime lab. We
18:32
Speaker 8: were told that from the funeral home was William's. The
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Speaker 8: police apartment corner. Just a lot of the lies, I
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Speaker 8: mean just didn't never add up. You know, it's just
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Speaker 8: hearing the podcast and hearing the lies, corruption from the
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Speaker 8: police apartment, things.
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Speaker 6: We were told.
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Speaker 8: Kind of piecing it back together showing that they were
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Speaker 8: just not being truthful with us is what got me
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Speaker 8: to open my eyes and heart. But like I said,
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Speaker 8: we went into this podcast wanting to know the truth,
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Speaker 8: warning answers. That's what we've been looking for for, like
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Speaker 8: I said, twenty five years, And like I said, my sister,
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Speaker 8: you know, they went my mom, they went to their
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Speaker 8: grave trying to search for the answers pleasure to hear.
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Speaker 8: We're thankful to finally get them.
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Speaker 3: I felt dumb on my part for believing them, but
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Speaker 3: you know I can't take that bag. But I can
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Speaker 3: go forward now, ma'am. Just do what I can to
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Speaker 3: help both of them.
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Speaker 2: Don't feel dumb for believing the detectives who are responsible
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Speaker 2: for that's right. And I will say, from the very
19:41
Speaker 2: first time we met you, I was impressed and grateful
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Speaker 2: about how open you were, how much you wanted to
19:49
Speaker 2: find the truth.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I wanted to know. That's all we
19:53
Speaker 3: all wanted to know. We wanted the truth to come out,
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Speaker 3: and it's finally coming out. But we still will never
20:01
Speaker 3: know exactly what happened in that room, but we know
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Speaker 3: it was not intentionally.
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Speaker 2: Brian's family does not believe that Lee was involved in
20:16
Speaker 2: any way with Brian's death, but Lee's co defendent Cain's
20:20
Speaker 2: story indisputably was involved and to some degree responsible for
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Speaker 2: what happened to Brian.
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Speaker 5: I wonder now what your feelings are at this point
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Speaker 5: about Cain and his involvement or Josh. I'm sorry, I
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Speaker 5: know you guys call him Josh.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I still kind of wonder you know
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Speaker 8: exactly what happened. I know for sure that Lee's not
20:41
Speaker 8: involved for as Kine or Josh, just from hearing the
20:48
Speaker 8: copterdicting stories. And then, like I said, when he met
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Speaker 8: me at the door, seeing that, you know he didn't
20:53
Speaker 8: mean to shoot him. I'm not sure if it was
20:56
Speaker 8: an accident or I'm not sure if it's suicide. I
20:59
Speaker 8: wouldn't to talk to Kane as well, you know, to here.
21:07
Speaker 2: As Kane himself acknowledges it was his actions that night
21:10
Speaker 2: that led to Brian's death.
21:14
Speaker 1: I had no business down there with this gone, and
21:18
Speaker 1: I had no business playing in Russian Roulette, and I
21:20
Speaker 1: had no business allowing bi to do what he did,
21:23
Speaker 1: not need anything, and for bad I thought.
21:28
Speaker 2: Kane says it was Brian who fired the shot that night,
21:30
Speaker 2: but Kan also acknowledges that he brought the gun and
21:33
Speaker 2: the bullet to Brian's bedroom and gave them both to Brian,
21:37
Speaker 2: and that he too was playing Russian Roulette with Brian
21:39
Speaker 2: before the fatal shot was fired, even if at first
21:42
Speaker 2: the two of them have been cheating at the game.
21:44
Speaker 1: Well.
21:44
Speaker 2: Brian's family remains unsure about what exactly went down in
21:47
Speaker 2: Brian's bedroom. The exact details are less important to them
21:50
Speaker 2: now than is the knowledge that whatever happened, it was
21:53
Speaker 2: no murder conspiracy.
21:58
Speaker 3: Either Brian accidentally hisself or Josh accidentally shot Brian. You know,
22:03
Speaker 3: either way, it's was an accident.
22:06
Speaker 8: I'm not sure if it was suicide or if it
22:08
Speaker 8: was an accidental shooting, but I definitely do not think
22:11
Speaker 8: it was on purpose. That he had no kind of
22:13
Speaker 8: intentions to harming Brian at all, And either way, you know,
22:18
Speaker 8: I forgive him either way, in my opinion, he's served
22:22
Speaker 8: more than enough time as well, you know, even if
22:24
Speaker 8: it was an accidental shooting.
22:27
Speaker 2: If you ever wanted to talk to Canamandas or Josh, yeah.
22:32
Speaker 4: I do.
22:34
Speaker 2: He's really struggled in prison. He's had a real hard
22:37
Speaker 2: I know Lee has two, but yeah, he's.
22:41
Speaker 3: I know it's been hard. I know. I mean, I
22:44
Speaker 3: can't put myself there, but I can only imagine what
22:50
Speaker 3: it's been like for them. I'm sure it's been.
22:54
Speaker 2: Pure hades for them, and that from talking to both
22:57
Speaker 2: of them. I mean, you've heard a lot from Lee,
22:59
Speaker 2: but Josh has just giving up hope, and.
23:02
Speaker 3: I could tell, I can really tell he just give up.
23:06
Speaker 2: Really, he agreed to talk to me, but the sort
23:08
Speaker 2: of since every time I've talked to him is like,
23:11
Speaker 2: why bother, what's the point?
23:13
Speaker 3: Like he don't have no hope?
23:15
Speaker 6: That's right, but he needs to.
23:18
Speaker 2: He needs to have hope, and it's a hard it's
23:20
Speaker 2: a different situation. I do feel confident that whatever happened,
23:24
Speaker 2: he never meant for Brian to die.
23:25
Speaker 3: No, he didn't, I know he didn't. It was a
23:30
Speaker 3: complete accident. And I forgive Josh, you know, for bringing
23:34
Speaker 3: the gun in, you know, and I know that's what
23:37
Speaker 3: he feels so guilty for. And then having to watch
23:40
Speaker 3: Brian die because they.
23:42
Speaker 8: Were best friends. I mean, yeah, I don't think there's
23:44
Speaker 8: no way in the world he would have ever harmed him.
23:46
Speaker 8: I think he would have took up for him to yeah,
23:48
Speaker 8: protect Brian even you know, just the day before they
23:51
Speaker 8: were playing, I had a bar in there and they
23:53
Speaker 8: were running around the barn sporting each other of water guns,
23:55
Speaker 8: you know, playing so just being the kids hardcore game
23:59
Speaker 8: members right there.
24:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, ain't they water gun?
24:05
Speaker 6: Yeah?
24:05
Speaker 5: It seems like Brian and Josh were particularly close.
24:11
Speaker 3: There was we had good times.
24:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it seems like your family was just so
24:16
Speaker 5: welcoming to Josh whenever he was in trouble or was
24:19
Speaker 5: getting kicked out.
24:19
Speaker 6: Of his house or.
24:22
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we loved him and we still do, you know.
24:26
Speaker 8: And I'd like to see Josh get out as well.
24:28
Speaker 8: You know, there's no way you could repel or do
24:32
Speaker 8: anything for their time lost. I mean they've lost. Like
24:35
Speaker 8: I was telling mister Clark, Uh, they spent more time
24:39
Speaker 8: in jail than they you know, have actually outside of jail.
24:44
Speaker 8: And it was sad, very very sad that they're both
24:48
Speaker 8: grown up in jail.
24:51
Speaker 1: I was just a year old, dumb man kid no
24:55
Speaker 1: mo ten year old middle by thing. I've been here
24:58
Speaker 1: ever sing. I love to have my chance to get
25:01
Speaker 1: out there and be the man and my daddy always
25:04
Speaker 1: wanted me to be. But if I don't, I feel
25:09
Speaker 1: the suth to be non adults. That's that's what I
25:12
Speaker 1: hope it's done.
25:20
Speaker 2: Only two people were charged and put on trial for
25:22
Speaker 2: Brian's murder, but there'd also been a third allegend member
25:25
Speaker 2: of the conspiracy, Brian's girlfriend, Caprice for twenty five years.
25:31
Speaker 2: Brian's families believe that she helped kill Brian and then
25:33
Speaker 2: manage to escape justice. How do you feel about Caprice.
25:42
Speaker 3: I'm still dealing with that, you know. I don't think
25:45
Speaker 3: she had anything to do with it. It's hard to
25:49
Speaker 3: hate somebody that you have, you know, had hard feelings
25:54
Speaker 3: against for so long. I think it'll just take a
25:56
Speaker 3: little time.
25:58
Speaker 8: We're actually just talking about that on the way. We
26:02
Speaker 8: owe her an apology.
26:02
Speaker 6: As well, Yeah, we do.
26:10
Speaker 5: Bryan's family is not the only family to be impacted
26:13
Speaker 5: by this podcast. When we were down in Rome on
26:17
Speaker 5: our recent trip, we also met with someone else.
26:21
Speaker 9: My name is Matt Battle. I am the middle child
26:25
Speaker 9: of Dallas Battle. I heard about the podcast through my sister.
26:30
Speaker 9: She's a fan of the podcaster, at least she was
26:33
Speaker 9: until she heard one of the episodes and she was upset.
26:38
Speaker 9: She was very upset. She loved her father and he
26:43
Speaker 9: loved her, so she texted me and gave me the links.
26:48
Speaker 9: So I listened to the podcast, and I believe that
26:51
Speaker 9: it showed, of course, if the police officer does his job,
26:57
Speaker 9: he's going to make a lot of people mad. I
27:00
Speaker 9: believe that it showed an unfair percentage of people who
27:06
Speaker 9: obviously hated my dad for obvious reasons, and it was
27:11
Speaker 9: just disproportionate and never showed what good he did, and
27:16
Speaker 9: it by no means reflected the type of person he was.
27:20
Speaker 9: Just an element of his job that some people hated.
27:26
Speaker 9: And there's nothing wrong with them having their own point
27:30
Speaker 9: of view. But my father can no longer speak for
27:34
Speaker 9: himself as he's passed away. My dad loved his job,
27:39
Speaker 9: he wanted to help people. But yeah, he definitely definitely
27:45
Speaker 9: is a hero. Nobody will ever make me believe any
27:48
Speaker 9: different because I knew him.
27:56
Speaker 5: After hearing the episode about his father, Matthew Battle reached
27:59
Speaker 5: out to give us the point of view about Sergeant
28:02
Speaker 5: Battle that no one else had been able to give
28:04
Speaker 5: us on the record.
28:07
Speaker 9: I'm in a unique position where I did work with
28:10
Speaker 9: Floyd County, but I don't work with Floyd County anymore.
28:13
Speaker 9: I'm not bound by the same tithes that some of
28:18
Speaker 9: the other people you spoke with are bound by. Some
28:22
Speaker 9: of them, if they spoke were worried about their job security,
28:26
Speaker 9: I'm worried about their retirement, and unfortunately that is absolutely true.
28:34
Speaker 9: But I'm not employed by Floyd County. I'm no longer
28:38
Speaker 9: in law enforcement, and if you have any questions you'd
28:42
Speaker 9: like to ask me, I will answer them to the
28:45
Speaker 9: best of my ability.
28:47
Speaker 2: If you were still employed by Floyd County, do you
28:48
Speaker 2: think you could talk to us?
28:50
Speaker 9: No, I would. If I was still employed by Floyd
28:52
Speaker 9: County then they found out I was sitting here talking
28:55
Speaker 9: to you about it, There's no doubt in my mind
28:58
Speaker 9: I would be fired. I grew up in Floyd County,
29:02
Speaker 9: and I know wherever I speak it's they're very oppressive
29:10
Speaker 9: when it comes to their employees and what they do
29:13
Speaker 9: and don't want employees to say.
29:16
Speaker 5: Having grown up in and worked for Floyd County, Matthew
29:19
Speaker 5: Battle was not surprised when he heard on the podcast
29:23
Speaker 5: about some of the trouble we've had obtaining records from
29:26
Speaker 5: some of the agencies in Floyd County.
29:31
Speaker 9: This is an opinion. Okay, this is not fact. I
29:34
Speaker 9: don't have anything factual to back it up. However, I'm
29:39
Speaker 9: not stupid, and I certainly don't believe that either one
29:41
Speaker 9: of you are.
29:44
Speaker 4: I lost.
29:44
Speaker 9: It is an excuse for either I'm incompetent at my
29:49
Speaker 9: job or I don't want to give it to you.
29:53
Speaker 6: So a way to.
29:56
Speaker 9: Kind of go around the legal system and say we're
30:01
Speaker 9: making an effort, we're trying to locate it.
30:04
Speaker 2: I know we've discussed that if they truly couldn't find
30:07
Speaker 2: these files, you think could be embarrassed. And there's no
30:11
Speaker 2: sign of embarrassment.
30:13
Speaker 9: No, there's and that's because they're confident because it's worked
30:18
Speaker 9: so many times that people will just stop and say
30:24
Speaker 9: it's too much trouble, I have other things to do,
30:26
Speaker 9: and let it go. And that's the strategy that's being used.
30:31
Speaker 9: That that's my opinion. The strategy that's being used is
30:35
Speaker 9: will ignore them, They'll go away. However, I do know
30:39
Speaker 9: that filing the correct paperwork asking for open records under
30:45
Speaker 9: the Open Records Act. You should be given what is
30:51
Speaker 9: legal for you to have. But if anybody was holding information,
30:55
Speaker 9: I do know it's a crime.
30:59
Speaker 5: Matthew Idol told us he didn't know much about the
31:02
Speaker 5: Brian Bowling case, so there wasn't too much he could
31:04
Speaker 5: share with us about it, though he had known one
31:07
Speaker 5: of the defendants.
31:09
Speaker 10: Well.
31:09
Speaker 9: We knew Kane's story. We grew up in church with
31:14
Speaker 9: him up until about age thirteen, twelve or thirteen, and
31:20
Speaker 9: dad didn't want to put people in prison, especially people
31:26
Speaker 9: that you know he may have seen growing up. But
31:30
Speaker 9: it's not easy to have to arrest somebody that you know,
31:33
Speaker 9: but you have to arrest.
31:36
Speaker 2: Did your dad ever mention this case.
31:39
Speaker 9: When Brian was actually killed. I was fifteen and I
31:45
Speaker 9: was working as a bag boy Peggy Wiggley, you know,
31:47
Speaker 9: saving up money for a truck when I turned sixteen,
31:51
Speaker 9: and my dad wouldn't share a lot.
31:55
Speaker 6: With me about it.
31:56
Speaker 9: I remember he told me that Cain was in a
31:58
Speaker 9: lot of trouble, and he he didn't want us to
32:01
Speaker 9: be upset that somebody we knew was in a lot
32:05
Speaker 9: of trouble.
32:09
Speaker 5: Even though his father never shared details about the investigation
32:13
Speaker 5: with him, Matthew Battle does feel confident that there are
32:17
Speaker 5: things Sergeant Battle would absolutely have done as he investigated
32:21
Speaker 5: the case.
32:24
Speaker 2: And according to Craig Burns, your dad was like, no, it's.
32:27
Speaker 10: Fine, No, no, no, no, he would have had an autopsy.
32:36
Speaker 10: Why would he not?
32:40
Speaker 2: Do you know of your dad in any other cases
32:43
Speaker 2: not seeking an autopsy. It seems like a strange thing
32:45
Speaker 2: for an investigator not to do.
32:47
Speaker 9: No, I don't. I know that he and David Stewart
32:52
Speaker 9: would go and witness autopsies. They didn't have to go
32:55
Speaker 9: as the investigator to see the autopsy, but they would go.
33:00
Speaker 2: Your dad clearly took a personal interest or understood the
33:03
Speaker 2: importance of the autopsis if he went in person.
33:06
Speaker 9: He took it very seriously. He would go to every
33:11
Speaker 9: autopsy he could. So No, he dad that the Dallas
33:16
Speaker 9: Battle that I knew would have wanted an autopsy. I
33:21
Speaker 9: don't know why there wasn't an autopsy.
33:25
Speaker 5: Matthew Battle couldn't tell us much about the specifics of
33:28
Speaker 5: the Bowling case, but he does know someone who could,
33:33
Speaker 5: Officer David Stewart.
33:39
Speaker 9: David is a plesora of information. He does very much
33:44
Speaker 9: want to talk about this case to you, and.
33:50
Speaker 6: He is stuck.
33:51
Speaker 9: Between a rock and a hard place, because he's close
33:56
Speaker 9: to retirement and he needs this retire But if there
34:02
Speaker 9: is something that suggests that there could be evidence that
34:08
Speaker 9: Lee Clark is innocent, or even Caine's story was innocent,
34:14
Speaker 9: If there were anything to suggest that, my dad and
34:19
Speaker 9: David Stewart would be all four, let's get it right.
34:26
Speaker 9: If there was a wrong done, let's get it right.
34:30
Speaker 9: They're not monsters. They've served their community, they love people,
34:36
Speaker 9: they love their families, and if they could go back
34:41
Speaker 9: and do it again because of some evidence that came up,
34:48
Speaker 9: they would do it. My dad would do it. That's
34:54
Speaker 9: the kind of people they are. They would go back.
34:56
Speaker 6: And do it.
34:57
Speaker 9: They wouldn't want to send somebody in prison that didn't
34:59
Speaker 9: deserve to go there. They know how horrible prison is.
35:06
Speaker 9: I wish David could talk to you.
35:13
Speaker 5: Matthew Battle told us that his dad and officer David
35:15
Speaker 5: Stewart had worked together on hundreds of cases.
35:19
Speaker 9: It went way beyond coworkers. We were a family still are.
35:24
Speaker 9: David's a dear friend. You don't find many friends like
35:29
Speaker 9: that in life. I remember one time David told me
35:34
Speaker 9: a murder suspect was raising a gun to shoot David.
35:38
Speaker 9: They were hunting him in Polk County, and Dad got
35:42
Speaker 9: between him and David Stuart and started wrestling with the
35:45
Speaker 9: gun and got the gun down, and then David was
35:48
Speaker 9: able to engage in the fight and they were able
35:52
Speaker 9: to wrestle the gun away and uh, nobody got shot.
35:59
Speaker 2: Before Matthew Battle I met with us, he'd called up
36:01
Speaker 2: David Stewart and met with him first to talk about
36:03
Speaker 2: the case and to let him know we plan to
36:05
Speaker 2: speak with us. And he told us that David Stewart
36:07
Speaker 2: told him that he'd been listening to the show, and
36:10
Speaker 2: he said Stuart told him he felt like he had
36:12
Speaker 2: been thrown under the bus, not by the podcast, but
36:15
Speaker 2: by Floyd County. Glenn Clark has held onto the hope
36:31
Speaker 2: that one day his son will be able to come home,
36:34
Speaker 2: but for a long time, for decades now, he and
36:37
Speaker 2: Lee have been at a loss for how to make
36:39
Speaker 2: that happen.
36:41
Speaker 4: I've been waiting and looking and searching all these years
36:46
Speaker 4: to try to find somebody that had a little leverage
36:49
Speaker 4: that could.
36:49
Speaker 6: Help on this.
36:50
Speaker 4: You know, would leave because I knew that he was
36:53
Speaker 4: an innocent man.
36:54
Speaker 6: And I prayed about it, prayed about.
36:56
Speaker 4: It and let me tell you now, I've questioned the Lord.
36:59
Speaker 6: He don't mind question. But it's on his time.
37:04
Speaker 4: Will will be done, and it's working now because I
37:07
Speaker 4: pray for him to send somebody our way, and he.
37:11
Speaker 6: Did he did.
37:13
Speaker 4: Susan called me one day and she wants gonna save me,
37:15
Speaker 4: and that's when the lower started work. And he's working
37:18
Speaker 4: it right now, just like right now, he's bringing us together.
37:22
Speaker 6: I talked to Lady last night.
37:24
Speaker 4: He's ever since all this podcast stuff and all's been
37:27
Speaker 4: going on, he's his mind's just racing.
37:33
Speaker 6: You know, you got somebody that's been in there as
37:36
Speaker 6: long as he has.
37:37
Speaker 4: And then when it comes by to y'all listen to
37:41
Speaker 4: the podcast and all, and.
37:44
Speaker 6: It was he said me, he said did He said,
37:46
Speaker 6: you realize what this means?
37:48
Speaker 4: You know?
37:49
Speaker 6: It just really just broke him down.
37:57
Speaker 2: It was nineteen ninety seven when Lee Clark was arrested
38:00
Speaker 2: and taken away from the life he had just started
38:02
Speaker 2: to make for himself. That life he will never be
38:06
Speaker 2: able to get back.
38:08
Speaker 6: Lisa.
38:10
Speaker 4: I saw Lee go into prison as a boy, young boy,
38:13
Speaker 4: scared to death.
38:15
Speaker 6: I've watched him become a man in prison.
38:19
Speaker 8: It's hard way to come up.
38:22
Speaker 4: I just don't thank to put the Lord in a
38:24
Speaker 4: this all this stuff has came out, I really am.
38:29
Speaker 4: I came out a lot sooner, Amen, may too a lot.
38:33
Speaker 3: Sooner, because you can't get back twenty five years, no,
38:38
Speaker 3: and there's just no way, you know. And I hope
38:42
Speaker 3: he does get out soon and maybe he can find
38:45
Speaker 3: him a girl.
38:46
Speaker 6: And maybe he can have him a baby.
38:48
Speaker 4: I sure hope.
38:49
Speaker 8: So now I think about after the podcast, what you know,
38:56
Speaker 8: twenty five years later that we've been living lie or
39:02
Speaker 8: been decepted, you know, can't change it at all. Just
39:07
Speaker 8: like mister Clark, though I wish the balls will get
39:09
Speaker 8: turning rapidly. I like to see him out of jail today,
39:14
Speaker 8: you know. I think it would be too soon. There's
39:18
Speaker 8: no way to go back in the past, just like
39:20
Speaker 8: he said. But I do think about it every day,
39:22
Speaker 8: and my heart goes out to you and your family, Lee, Josh,
39:27
Speaker 8: and my story as well, June, all of them. My
39:30
Speaker 8: heart hurts for every one of them for having to
39:33
Speaker 8: go through this as well. I know we've lost bride
39:36
Speaker 8: where he is gone, they've lost their child where hopefully
39:42
Speaker 8: they will be able to see him, you know, very soon.
39:44
Speaker 8: But it's been. I would imagine just like a death
39:46
Speaker 8: to you guys as well, you know, not being able
39:48
Speaker 8: to see or just like you said, Christmases and birthdays,
39:52
Speaker 8: you know, special cages, and I think every day you
39:56
Speaker 8: know about I've been wanting to talk to you to
39:58
Speaker 8: kind of get all this off my chest too, but
40:01
Speaker 8: just anything we could do to help you to correct
40:05
Speaker 8: the wrong.
40:06
Speaker 3: Now after the podcast, all I can think about is
40:10
Speaker 3: how to make this wrong a rock. That's my main
40:15
Speaker 3: concentration now, you know, I still think about my brother
40:19
Speaker 3: and all love my brother. I always will, you know.
40:22
Speaker 3: But we need to do what we need to do
40:25
Speaker 3: now to help Lee and Josh both. Whatever we can
40:29
Speaker 3: do world to help get him out. We will go
40:34
Speaker 3: to pro board, meet, go write letters, talk to attorneys,
40:39
Speaker 3: do whatever we can. I had the investigator from the
40:44
Speaker 3: Georgia Innocent Project contact me, oh did. I talked with
40:48
Speaker 3: him yesterday and so then he told me that our
40:51
Speaker 3: attorneys is gonna come and talk with me. So I
40:55
Speaker 3: told him I'll do whatever I can to help y'all.
41:05
Speaker 5: Bryan's family wants to see the justice system act quickly
41:09
Speaker 5: to right the wrong that occurred here. Unfortunately, when it
41:13
Speaker 5: comes to innocent's claims. The wheels of justice often turn slowly.
41:19
Speaker 5: It can take years just to get a court hearing,
41:21
Speaker 5: and sometimes years more before the court gets around to
41:24
Speaker 5: issuing a ruling, and then add some more time on
41:28
Speaker 5: top of that for the decision to get appealed and
41:31
Speaker 5: ruled on, and then, depending on what was ruled on,
41:34
Speaker 5: that whole process can start over at the beginning and
41:37
Speaker 5: go back to the trial court and get appealed again
41:39
Speaker 5: before some kind of final decision is ever reached. In
41:43
Speaker 5: other words, it can take a really long time. But
41:47
Speaker 5: if and when the day comes that Lee wins his freedom,
41:51
Speaker 5: Glen Clark is ready to help his son return to
41:53
Speaker 5: the outside world.
41:57
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sixty three year old now, and I pray
42:01
Speaker 4: to the Lord all the time that he'll let him
42:04
Speaker 4: out soon and where I can spend some time with him,
42:07
Speaker 4: I can help him get on his feet, help him
42:10
Speaker 4: be established, you know. And that's that's what I want
42:13
Speaker 4: to do, because we've there's been a lot of time lost,
42:16
Speaker 4: you know.
42:16
Speaker 11: Yeah, And when he does, it's going to be a
42:22
Speaker 11: shocker and him, Yeah, because you imagine there, Lord, than
42:26
Speaker 11: he was out, you know what, right over, right for life?
42:32
Speaker 6: All he knows is gray walls and muddle chairs and metle.
42:35
Speaker 1: Beds, and I got my family out there and got
42:44
Speaker 1: my dad, my mom and stuff like that. I love
42:48
Speaker 1: my dad and I love my mom unconditionally, but just
42:52
Speaker 1: saying that that's all I've got out there makes me
42:54
Speaker 1: feel like I'm still a teenager.
42:58
Speaker 2: Lehn is down of close, But in some ways Lea's
43:01
Speaker 2: told me he thinks his dad still sees him as
43:03
Speaker 2: that teenager that he was when he went in.
43:06
Speaker 1: I tell him all the time, my some mond, I said,
43:08
Speaker 1: I just want to get out of here. I I'm
43:10
Speaker 1: a good girl, getting married and having some kids. You
43:12
Speaker 1: know he does mat or y'are big name. Well, he
43:16
Speaker 1: ain't got no Why worry about you got no kid?
43:19
Speaker 1: You ain't got worried out all problems, walking problems. I
43:23
Speaker 1: walked him problems. Been a big forty two years old.
43:26
Speaker 1: I know everything I want out of line, I know
43:28
Speaker 1: what I want to do with my life. I don't
43:30
Speaker 1: even know what I want to do as far to
43:32
Speaker 1: work for the rest of my life. It ain't cut trees,
43:36
Speaker 1: not my nitty. I don't tell you that right now.
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Speaker 1: I'm wanting to use that work though, to give what
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Speaker 1: I'm wanting to accomplish though. I'm wanting to use that
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Speaker 1: to get the money up.
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Speaker 2: Lee knows that if he ever gets out of prison,
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Speaker 2: his best shot at finding work is to go into
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Speaker 2: the tree business like his dad, but long term, he
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Speaker 2: hopes to open up his own business.
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Speaker 1: It's compleat it's like a place for animals, and it's
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Speaker 1: like animal hotel hotel. Yeah, let's take this for instance.
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Speaker 1: You can take your dog to the dog can if
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Speaker 1: you're going out of town. You know what I'm saying, right, Well,
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Speaker 1: this place is a step up from there, you know,
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Speaker 1: and I know take your dog for instance, to treat
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Speaker 1: your dog by family and your cat, right yep, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So you're naturally gonna want the best for them if
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Speaker 1: you're going out of town and you're giving difference to
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Speaker 1: somebody else to watch out for, right, So why would
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Speaker 1: you take them to a Dolph kennel when you could
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Speaker 1: bring them to my place. It's gonna be a good
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Speaker 1: little set up once I get it up running. I
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Speaker 1: got a lot of good things in mind for it.
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Speaker 1: Something that people will come up in there and when
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Speaker 1: they see it and they say how they're their animals
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Speaker 1: are being treated them like, Yeah, well we're gonna come
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Speaker 1: back here. It's gonna be pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: Glenn is not surprised that his son doesn't plan to
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Speaker 2: follow in his footsteps if he ever does get released.
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Speaker 6: He's a cat. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: When he's up at wall for up, he had a
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Speaker 4: cat and uh he said. He called me, said, Daddy,
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Speaker 4: He said, I need you to send some money to
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Speaker 4: buy his cat cat food, you know, And uh what,
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Speaker 4: Lee told me That cat loved to him because every
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Speaker 4: time he go over there to go to work, that cat.
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Speaker 6: Love to see him coming jump up. And he was
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Speaker 6: crazy about that cat. You know, Lee got a vision.
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Speaker 4: And I told late that's a good thing, I said,
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Speaker 4: cause people like their animals as much as they do
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Speaker 4: to kids and family.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you get attached to him.
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Speaker 2: Lee has lots of plans what his life will be
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Speaker 2: like once he's out of prison. First, though, he'll need
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Speaker 2: win his freedom, however long.
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Speaker 11: That may take.
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Speaker 2: Brand's family is now united with Lee's and canes to
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Speaker 2: see that it happens.
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Speaker 6: Oh thousand times better, ain't no doubt.
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Speaker 8: So we've been needing for years.
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Speaker 4: I mean I never met this man till today, and
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Speaker 4: her either, I never laid eyes on.
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Speaker 6: Him you know and uh yeah, yes, Sir Brian to
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Speaker 6: yeah it does me. I know it does. I feel
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Speaker 6: like I've known them forever.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to episode fifteen of Proof. There will
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46:34
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