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Mac & Bone Hour 3: Panthers Add to Defense · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, oh, it's Mac and Bo on your radio, baby.
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  Speaker 2: This is my friend Matt.
• 0:09
  Speaker 3: Posh, come on, Posh.
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  Speaker 4: This is my friend T-Bone.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have some fun.
• 0:15
  Speaker 5: I can't go to work without listening to Mac and Bone.
• 0:18
  Speaker 3: Do it live.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Here's what I will say about UNC. Can they be
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: a better team than last year? No. Will they be
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: a better team than last year with their schedule? Absolutely not. Allegedly,
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: there's an investigation being opened up into Lombardi for improprieties
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: with NIL and all that, and they just named Billy
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Edwards their starter. Do you know how down bad you
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: have to be to cheat to secure Billy Edwards as
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: your starter? Oh, my God. It's like finding out that
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: your kid cheated on this test and got a D.
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: Clown show.
• 0:56
  Speaker 6: I just think his legacy is in trouble.
• 0:59
  Speaker 7: I really do.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I know this guy's got six Super Bowls.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: I get all of that.
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  Speaker 5: But I just think if he loses convincingly with the
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  Speaker 5: Lombardi stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't know if you guys have any idea what's going
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  Speaker 4: on with his son.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: But I just think it's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be the culmination of.
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  Speaker 5: We're a bunch of absolute turds.
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  Speaker 3: Clown show.
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  Speaker 6: TCU was 34 points better last year. Has TCU gotten
• 1:27
  Speaker 6: that much worse?
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  Speaker 8: New OC, new quarterback, and it's the first game. It's
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  Speaker 8: week zero. They're not going to be what they're going
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  Speaker 8: to be later on. But UNC has a new OC
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  Speaker 8: and a new quarterback, too.
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  Speaker 6: TCU's a good, solid top 30, top 35 college football program.
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  Speaker 6: Is Carolina going to play them down to the wire?
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a double-digit game.
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  Speaker 3: Clown show. Fit dog. What's going on, baby? You miss
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  Speaker 3: us already?
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  Speaker 5: What's going on, boys?
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  Speaker 7: Just crossing over the lake here. So, how did this
• 1:54
  Speaker 7: segment turn into Duke Talk, by the way? We're supposed
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  Speaker 7: to preview the Aer Lingus Classic, and it turned into
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  Speaker 7: five minutes talking about Duke getting their ass kicked by
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  Speaker 7: Miami late in November. Let the heels, let the flags.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: Bang.
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  Speaker 3: Get him out of here.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 3: Get him out of here.
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  Speaker 8: He's gone for the day. Go be gone. Go to
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  Speaker 8: the casino. Hang out with Bailey. You're out of here.
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  Speaker 8: This is now the drop show.
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  Speaker 5: Carolina, after all the disappointment of a year ago, we're.
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  Speaker 3: Starting fresh in 2026. It's an Irish goodbye.
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  Speaker 1: Yes!
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  Speaker 3: Carolina wins it 15-10 over TCU in Dublin.
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  Speaker 6: Olivia Jones with the Irish Goodbye Ride. on the Tar
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  Speaker 6: Heel Radio Network. That is something that Fitty put together
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  Speaker 6: with total pride, mocking many of us that didn't give
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  Speaker 6: the Heels a chance, that bad-mouthed the Heels, that took
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  Speaker 6: pot shots, made jokes, Bone, all offseason.
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  Speaker 3: The Fit Dog, he might have done some of that too, Bone,
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  Speaker 3: in fairness.
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  Speaker 6: But the Fit Dog last week told us the Heels
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  Speaker 6: will win, and they did as 9.5-point underdogs in Dublin.
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  Speaker 8: I don't remember Fiddy ever saying a bad word about
• 3:07
  Speaker 8: the heels all summer long. I've been told that it
• 3:10
  Speaker 8: never happened. And it's much like when Flounder goes off
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  Speaker 8: and says bad things and we come back and now,
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  Speaker 8: now I feel crazy because I don't remember.
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: Now, now I thought he said bad things and apparently
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: he never did.
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  Speaker 6: There is a certain caller that has requested two minutes
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  Speaker 6: of airtime.
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  Speaker 3: Not a weenie, is it? To voice his displeasure. No, no,
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  Speaker 3: not Panther Steve.
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  Speaker 6: To voice his displeasure with the fact that Fitty bad-mouthed
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  Speaker 6: Belichick and now wants to act like he was in
• 3:35
  Speaker 6: his corner all along. So we will allow it. Although
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to take away too much of Finney shine.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to take away too much Tar Heel shine.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to take away the fact that I
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  Speaker 6: should be mocked today bone for thinking TCU would win
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  Speaker 6: by double digits and thinking the Wolfpack had some sort
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  Speaker 6: of great team this season. Um, and that takes us to,
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  Speaker 6: and congratulations to heels fans. You had to put up
• 3:58
  Speaker 6: with all, you know, national media with us. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: with the whole free world, yourselves and Bad Mouth and Belichick,
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  Speaker 6: Lombardi et al. And I'll be damned, Bone, if they
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  Speaker 6: didn't look like a much better squad than they looked
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  Speaker 6: like last season.
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  Speaker 3: Especially if you look.
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  Speaker 6: At their starting point for this season versus their starting
• 4:17
  Speaker 6: point for last season.
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  Speaker 3: My God, you couldn't get a further away.
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  Speaker 8: I think the shocking thing about last year was how
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  Speaker 8: ill-prepared they looked for a Belichick team, how undisciplined they were.
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  Speaker 8: It's one thing, Mac, for them not to be good
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  Speaker 8: year one under Bill Belichick because it was a... Tough
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  Speaker 8: job to undertake with all the new players. I fully
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  Speaker 8: admit that. But it was also the way that they looked.
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  Speaker 8: They looked like NC State did the other day, honestly. Ill-prepared,
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  Speaker 8: not ready, undisciplined, 111th in penalties. They just did not
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  Speaker 8: look like they were ever really ready outside of a
• 4:49
  Speaker 8: couple games there, ready for the moment. The other day,
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  Speaker 8: they made adjustments. They were disciplined. Their quarterback did just enough.
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  Speaker 8: That is an old-school, early New England Belichick like win
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  Speaker 8: the other day. Look, there's elements that weren't pretty, but
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  Speaker 8: that's how they were going to have to win that game.
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  Speaker 8: I said on Friday, the uglier this thing gets, the
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  Speaker 8: better that's going to be for the Tar Heels.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to be honest.
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  Speaker 6: People that are bashing the Tar Heels for winning ugly,
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  Speaker 6: like they lost ugly all year last year. You think
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  Speaker 6: this is supposed to be some sort of thing where
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  Speaker 6: we shame the Tar Heels?
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  Speaker 3: This isn't like, bone, Miami looked like that in week one.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: This is the Tar Heels, y'all. Every win they get,
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  Speaker 6: who the hell cares how they get it? And I
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  Speaker 6: think you've got to talk about the Petrino factor. I
• 5:34
  Speaker 6: think you already see. And that is one move that
• 5:38
  Speaker 6: I did praise this offseason, but maybe I still underestimated
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  Speaker 6: a little bit because, yeah, they only scored 15 points.
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  Speaker 6: But look, they got actually some downfield passing. The use
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  Speaker 6: of Thurman, the tight end, I thought was brilliant by
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  Speaker 6: Petrino as well. And Billy Edwards is a guy I
• 5:53
  Speaker 6: still don't know, Bone, if I'm going to crown him
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  Speaker 6: like he's going to start every game. But that was
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  Speaker 6: a hell of a debut for him. Even Belichick and
• 6:01
  Speaker 6: company were considering going to Miles O'Neal at some point
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  Speaker 6: in that game.
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  Speaker 3: There was no reason to.
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  Speaker 6: He wasn't making mistakes like Craig was on the other
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  Speaker 6: side of the ball, like TCU was. And he was really,
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  Speaker 6: really freaking solid. in his first game with the heels.
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  Speaker 6: So if I'm a heels fan, I'm definitely up in
• 6:18
  Speaker 6: my expectations. They couldn't go any lower, but like, that's
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  Speaker 6: the question we got to ask bone was the games
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  Speaker 6: on Saturday. Is that who Carolina and state is like, is,
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  Speaker 6: does this state team going to be terrible? I read,
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  Speaker 6: I'll just be honest with you. I read a lot
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  Speaker 6: of stuff about how terrible state's going to be this
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  Speaker 6: year on social media.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't bet on that.
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  Speaker 6: Dave Dorn and his staff have a really good way,
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  Speaker 6: much to the dismay of state fans a lot, of
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  Speaker 6: finding a way through the course of the season, Bone,
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  Speaker 6: to kind of figure things out.
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  Speaker 3: They also have a way, Bo. They also had all
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: summer to try to figure things out. They do.
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  Speaker 6: But this is what happened. What I'm trying to say is,
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  Speaker 6: what happened, yeah, it was ugly. It was a complete domination.
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  Speaker 6: Virginia said, we're.
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  Speaker 2: Running the ball 57 times.
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  Speaker 3: Here we come. Oh, you didn't stop us again?
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  Speaker 6: Like, they got punked. There's no doubt about it. 23-play drive,
• 7:11
  Speaker 6: punking over and over again on that drive. But what
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to say is, Bo, Dave Doran, I gave
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  Speaker 6: this stat earlier. Dave Doran at NC State. have lost
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  Speaker 6: six games since 2019 in the non-conference that specifically bone
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  Speaker 6: have come in the first three weeks of the season
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  Speaker 6: and we're by 14 points or more. So what I'm
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  Speaker 6: trying to say is bone state has done this before. Now,
• 7:35
  Speaker 6: does that make me an idiot for not being able
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  Speaker 6: to figure out ahead of time what was going to happen?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: It makes me a giant idiot. Makes all of us
• 7:41
  Speaker 6: that pick state giant idiots. But in many of those seasons, Bone,
• 7:46
  Speaker 6: it feels like they end up still with a respectable
• 7:50
  Speaker 6: season damn near all the time. But the 10-win talk,
• 7:53
  Speaker 6: get that the hell out of here. That 10-win talk
• 7:56
  Speaker 6: is insane. But could they still win eight games with
• 7:59
  Speaker 6: the schedule? I saw some people say, oh, NC State's
• 8:03
  Speaker 6: schedule is easy for the opponents. I don't know if
• 8:06
  Speaker 6: I would dismiss State for the whole season.
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  Speaker 8: Well, the benefit that they have because they played in
• 8:13
  Speaker 8: Week 0, now they don't play again until September 12th,
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  Speaker 8: and then that's Richmond. So you would think that that
• 8:19
  Speaker 8: would be a get-right-game match. So their next test— really
• 8:23
  Speaker 8: is going to be September 19th at Vanderbilt, which I
• 8:26
  Speaker 8: fully admit that that is an up-in-the-air game based off
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  Speaker 8: what we saw on Saturday. But they have a lot
• 8:32
  Speaker 8: of time here. They have almost three weeks to go
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  Speaker 8: to get ready for that game. Now, that's the good news.
• 8:38
  Speaker 8: The bad news is, how did you have as much
• 8:42
  Speaker 8: time as you had to prepare for Virginia and come
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  Speaker 8: out that flat? I don't have the answer to that.
• 8:48
  Speaker 8: When Popo comes out, Matt, what's his last name?
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: Aguirre. Popo Aguirre comes out. The Miami transfer.
• 8:54
  Speaker 8: Miami transfer comes out and says, we did not anticipate
• 8:57
  Speaker 8: Bo Pribula.
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  Speaker 3: Running that much. We were not ready for it. That's
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  Speaker 3: a problem.
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  Speaker 7: You got outcoached.
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  Speaker 8: You had all summer to look at him. That to
• 9:02
  Speaker 8: me is like, what were you doing all summer? That's
• 9:05
  Speaker 8: a bizarre thing. You got outcoached there. There's no doubt
• 9:07
  Speaker 8: about it.
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  Speaker 6: But what I'm trying to say is for NC State,
• 9:10
  Speaker 6: they have flopped early in the season a lot. But
• 9:13
  Speaker 6: is this some sort of special NC State team that
• 9:16
  Speaker 6: many of us jabronis tried to make happen all offseason?
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  Speaker 3: Hell no, it isn't.
• 9:20
  Speaker 6: As far as Carolina goes, Fitty, you got upset with
• 9:24
  Speaker 6: Myron Goodman, the good man. You got upset with him.
• 9:27
  Speaker 6: He's a fellow Targa fan. He says, real good win,
• 9:31
  Speaker 6: but the ceiling for this team is still five to
• 9:33
  Speaker 6: seven wins.
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  Speaker 3: Does that make you mad?
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  Speaker 6: Like, how do we recalibrate the expectations that so many
• 9:39
  Speaker 6: of us On the outside had wrong.
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  Speaker 9: His, he said the ceiling was five and seven, not
• 9:46
  Speaker 9: five to seven wins. It was still, they were still
• 9:49
  Speaker 9: a five and there's still a five and.
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  Speaker 2: Seven football team.
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  Speaker 6: It seems a little hard.
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  Speaker 9: They beat a preseason top 30 team on Saturday. We
• 9:58
  Speaker 9: got to see what TCU is. emerges the loser of
• 10:01
  Speaker 9: this game historically their season is usually very disappointing but
• 10:05
  Speaker 9: Mac look at some of the toss-up games that were
• 10:07
  Speaker 9: on the schedule that I had or maybe someone else
• 10:10
  Speaker 9: had his losses those games now you think is wins.
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  Speaker 6: I got to go answer the phone Because a caller
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  Speaker 6: is calling up to rip you.
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  Speaker 3: That's a rough job, Finney.
• 10:20
  Speaker 6: You're in the middle of getting a chance to brag
• 10:21
  Speaker 6: about the heels after a rough offseason, after a rough
• 10:24
  Speaker 6: season last season, and you've got to answer the phone
• 10:27
  Speaker 6: instead because a caller wants to rip you and has
• 10:29
  Speaker 6: been granted two minutes to do so.
• 10:31
  Speaker 8: I also think, Mac, that may not be ultimately who...
• 10:35
  Speaker 8: State is in the long form of the season. I
• 10:38
  Speaker 8: also want to make sure that we tip our hats
• 10:40
  Speaker 8: to Virginia because that may be who Virginia's program now is.
• 10:44
  Speaker 6: ACC championship game contenders. No doubt about it.
• 10:47
  Speaker 8: That offensive linebacker, they had five guys that are your
• 10:50
  Speaker 8: age on the offensive line.
• 10:51
  Speaker 6: That's going to beat a lot of teams. Those grown
• 10:53
  Speaker 6: men are going to beat the heck out of a
• 10:55
  Speaker 6: lot of teams. They're stable at backs and Bo Probula.
• 10:58
  Speaker 6: There will be some games, Bone, where teams are able
• 11:00
  Speaker 6: to stop that running game and Probula's going to have
• 11:02
  Speaker 6: to pass. They're going to lose a couple where that happens.
• 11:06
  Speaker 6: But my God, they're going to beat a bunch of
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  Speaker 6: teams in the trenches. They're not a fluke from last year.
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  Speaker 3: They're good.
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  Speaker 6: No, and I was wrong about them. I was wrong
• 11:14
  Speaker 6: about everything. I can't wait until Week 1 to find
• 11:16
  Speaker 6: out more teams I was wrong about. West Virginia here
• 11:19
  Speaker 6: in Charlotte Week 3? But like you look at their
• 11:23
  Speaker 6: schedule bone, this is why I think they can now
• 11:25
  Speaker 6: get back to Charlotte. I'm completely flipping on this team.
• 11:28
  Speaker 6: They don't play Miami, Louisville or Clemson. Now they go
• 11:32
  Speaker 6: to SMU, but look at that schedule and tell me
• 11:36
  Speaker 6: you don't think they can run over some damn teams
• 11:38
  Speaker 6: with that running game. And their defense too. They didn't
• 11:41
  Speaker 6: even have their best player, Cam Robinson. That defense looked
• 11:44
  Speaker 6: like that. I mean, they made CJ Bailey look horrible.
• 11:47
  Speaker 6: Not even four yards at attempt. Fumbles the ball inside
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  Speaker 6: the 10, running the damn football.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, they can, Virginia can go all the way
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  Speaker 8: to SMU undefeated October 17th.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, definitely.
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  Speaker 6: That'd be like 6-0 to start.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I would have thought at Florida State, entering
• 12:04
  Speaker 8: the weekend would be difficult, but Florida State to me, should.
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  Speaker 3: Be nothing against New Mexico State. Yeah, they looked way better.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: I think our caller's ready to go, man.
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  Speaker 6: Gamecock, Kevin. Finally a little class on the program. Some
• 12:13
  Speaker 6: people are angry. This texter says, how is it not
• 12:16
  Speaker 6: Fitty's day-to-day? Instead, you bring on a Gamecock fan to
• 12:19
  Speaker 6: trash Fitty. Gamecocks hadn't done crap this year.
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  Speaker 2: I knew this was going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Are you upset about this, Fitty, or are you willing
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: to take on this battle?
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  Speaker 9: I told Flounder at 4 o'clock after the game was over,
• 12:28
  Speaker 9: you would go out of your way to not let
• 12:30
  Speaker 9: me have my moment.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't done that, though.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly?
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  Speaker 6: Have I?
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  Speaker 3: Have I done it?
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  Speaker 9: It feels like every time you want to give in
• 12:36
  Speaker 9: and somehow we start talking about Carolina, we start talking
• 12:39
  Speaker 9: about State.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: We should be talking about winners. This is a winning show.
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: There's a winner on the phone line.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: There's a winner only.
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  Speaker 9: I'm surprised you've actually planned so much college football talk.
• 12:48
  Speaker 9: I was prepared for eight segments of a Panther 53-man roster.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't have to address.
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: You don't know your host then, bro.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know you better than you know yourself. I
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: dreamed about you last night, friend.
• 12:57
  Speaker 6: But you dreamed he died last night. Yeah, that's so uplifting. Finney,
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: the last minute of airtime, I have no idea what
• 13:03
  Speaker 6: you're blabbing on about.
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  Speaker 3: Like, no idea.
• 13:05
  Speaker 9: Um....
• 13:07
  Speaker 6: The Tar Heels, I've been giving the Tar Heels tons
• 13:09
  Speaker 6: of credits. I've been on here for two hours talking
• 13:12
  Speaker 6: about how wrong I was. And I have not been
• 13:15
  Speaker 6: trying to take your credit away. I've been surprised by you.
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: Another upset.
• 13:20
  Speaker 6: You still spent a minute completely just ripping me with
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: nonsense garbage. But what do you expect for a man
• 13:25
  Speaker 6: who killed off his grandmother on Friday's show?
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: Like, are you serious? That's the type of human we're
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: dealing with.
• 13:31
  Speaker 6: By the way, Fitty's girl, date number two tonight? Beware.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: Beware, girl. Beware.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not rooting for the opposite to happen here. Can
• 13:40
  Speaker 8: we please get to my friend? Here he is, Gamecock Kevin.
• 13:43
  Speaker 8: Gamecock Kevin, why are you showing up here, man? You
• 13:46
  Speaker 8: got to bash Fitty? Fitty has his moment of glory today, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm not trying to take away Fitty's moment of glory.
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: This is what got me, Mac. Okay, first of all,
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: good morning to you fellas.
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  Speaker 3: Happy football, baby. Sorry for the wait, Kev.
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  Speaker 4: It's all good.
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  Speaker 1: We ain't tripping.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, real quick. Fitty, this is what got me. You
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: can't just appreciate the win, right? You had to trash
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: Mack Brown. That's what got me. You were just so
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: locked in with Belichick the entire time. And you used
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: this win against a team that had over 160 yards
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: of penalties to say Mack Brown would have lost this game.
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, you did not even want Belichick as
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: your coach a month ago. So that's all I'm saying.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: Just enjoy the win, bro. Don't try to throw your
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: best coach ever under the bus just because a coach
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: you didn't want a month ago got a win that
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: you didn't expect to get. That's all I'm saying.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: Just enjoy the win, bro. That's all I'm saying.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: I'm out on that.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's out of here. Finney didn't even get a
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: chance to hang up on him like he wanted to.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 14:52
  Speaker 9: I was ready for the Odyssey to start showing up.
• 14:54
  Speaker 9: We'll save those for Pulse of Panther Nation. Look, I
• 14:57
  Speaker 9: love Mack Brown. I celebrated when he got hired. But
• 15:01
  Speaker 9: when it was time to move on, it was time
• 15:02
  Speaker 9: to move on. Mack, do you not think... Like, they
• 15:05
  Speaker 9: hired Bill Belichick and gave everything to him that they
• 15:08
  Speaker 9: refused to give Mack Brown because they believed that they
• 15:11
  Speaker 9: could win games that they couldn't win under Mack.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: That was what happened on Saturday. They don't win that game.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: Mack Brown couldn't... You're saying one of Mack Brown's Tar
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: Heel teams could not have beaten a team that made
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: that many mistakes, though?
• 15:25
  Speaker 9: Look at some of the losses they endured with Sam Howell,
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: with Drake Mayne.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: We've been through that. 6-0 at home, they lose to Virginia.
• 15:34
  Speaker 9: Look at all of the losses with Sam Howell when
• 15:36
  Speaker 9: they were preceding the top 10.
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: To act like your best coach ever couldn't win a
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: game where the other team snaps the ball over the
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: punter's head for a safety... Fails four times on fourth down.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: Has 11 penalties. I just, I don't know, Bone. It
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: struck me as unnecessary for Finney to bring up Mac.
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: What does this have to do with Mac Brown?
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you talk it as unnecessary, but we get the
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: show named after you.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: I thought you still liked Mac Brown.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I do love him.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: I thought you actually agreed when I said throughout the
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: offseason that if they gave Mac Brown all this NIL money,
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: things would have been different.
• 16:09
  Speaker 9: It does make you wonder, but we can't go back
• 16:11
  Speaker 9: in time. We don't have a time machine. This is
• 16:14
  Speaker 9: the guy that we have. So basically what you're saying
• 16:16
  Speaker 9: is that we cannot, I can't compare Belichick to Mack Brown.
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: I would just say move on and just be glad
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: that Belichick has his best win ever.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: He didn't get you guys to the Orange Bowl in
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: his second tenure.
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: He did.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: So he had to win some games along the way.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: He did.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: But there were inexcusable losses along.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: You had a couple inexcusable performances last year, too.
• 16:37
  Speaker 9: And I'm not denying that. I'm telling you as someone
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: who's watched this program since I was 10 years old,
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: We lose that game more often than not. I've watched
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: that game happen, and we lose it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: We won it, and I think we won it because
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I understand that.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Which is why they hired him.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Okay. Listen, I think it's awesome.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry that we can't play the comparison game of Sports
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Talk Radio.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: I think it's awesome you won. I don't know why
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: you're thinking about Mack Brown in this moment. Let's look
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: at Bill Belichick. The first season was a train wreck.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: It's been a complete off-the-field soap opera. It's been embarrassing
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: for the university. And it just felt like, bone, that
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: was different on Saturday. It felt like they were a competent,
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: organized football team. They made adjustments defensively, even without Steve
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: Belichick there. I freaking love that. Like, Billy Edwards or something.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: There's a lot to like. I just don't understand the
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: Mack Brown thing. But I also don't understand what Fitty
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: did on Friday with Maumau. I don't understand a lot
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: of what this man does.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: People are saying that Gamecock Kevin put Fitty in a
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: baby bjorn.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Oh!
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: No!
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Fitty!
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: When we come back, Corey Smith of PacPower247, he's going
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: to handle the.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Huh?
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: This will be fun.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Can I go to break here?
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: When we come back, Corey Smith of PacPower247 joins us
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: to handle the NC State side of things.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: That's all right, Fitty, if I go to break. Sports Radio,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: 92.7 WFNZ.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ. Mack and Bone with you cruising
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: on on this Monday. Talking about the heels. Surprising the
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: world with a win and NC State. Not they lost,
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: but the way they lost was surprising, at least to me.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: Someone who has spent the better part of the last
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: couple months hyping up NC State when I probably should
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: have known better.
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: And then you sold me so much, I bought in
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: on Friday. Yeah, don't ever listen to me, y'all. That's
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: what we learned here, Bowen.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: How do I not know that? That's what you learned here.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know that lesson yet.
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: Although I was going with NC State on the spread anyway.
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: Then I said, you know, they're going to win the game.
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: Either way, it didn't make a difference. It did not.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: And our next guest is here to talk through what
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: happened and... How much of an indication is that what's
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: to come this year for NC State, or should we
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: not take it that way? He is Corey Smith from PacPower247,
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: and he joins us here on the Mac and Bone Show.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Corey, what's going on, man? How you doing?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Doing well, guys. Doing well.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: How are y'all? What's up, Corey?
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Good to talk to you again. We're doing all right, man.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: We're trying to talk through this with Pac fans. What
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: surprised you the most? What did you expect going in,
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: and what surprised you the most about Saturday's ugly loss?
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: I think what surprised me the most was just the
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: lack of firepower from NC State's offense. The defense... Michael
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: and I, that works with us, we've talked about it
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: multiple times this offseason. We've said NC State might have
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: to get into some shootouts. The defense added a bunch
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: of veteran players, but I just don't know that that
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: system is going to work at the college level.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: D.J.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Elliott hasn't proved that it will every stop that he's made,
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: but NC State said, all right, we're going to see
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: if we can make this work. We're going to see
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: if we can get after Beau Fabula on defense, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: they didn't. They didn't get him under pressure nearly at all.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Harvey Dyson got one sack, but outside of that, There
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: was very little pressure on him all afternoon. But the offense,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: to me, was what was surprising the most, where I thought,
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: you know, all these new offensive pieces you bring in, C.J.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Bailey coming back, the offensive line gave him good pass protection.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Run protection was terrible all afternoon, and that ended up
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: leading to your offense needing to be one-dimensional, and C.J.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Bailey couldn't make it that way.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: Corey, your feed on Twitter, at rcoreysmith, is where I
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: saw the quote from Popo about how the defense wasn't
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: prepared for Bo Pribula to run as much as he did.
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: How damning of that is a quote that you had
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: all summer to prepare for what Bo does well, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: they somehow didn't anticipate him doing what he did?
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if you just dug up two quotes.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: In football, we're like, this is what they're going to do.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, the only other thing that you could think
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: of is, all right, well, maybe they're not going to
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: run him as much because he is such a big
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: piece and he's coming off of an injury and maybe
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: that was the thought process. Other than that, if you've
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: watched any film of Bo Krivula, like you knew going in,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: what he does well is beat you with his legs.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Like the guy can make some passes downfield, but it
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: needs to be to wide open receivers after defenses are
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: off balance, thinking that he's going to run the football
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: or thinking that they're going to have success running the football. So, yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: as far as how damning that is, like that just–
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that tells me that Popo wasn't
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: watching the proper film or if it was DJ Elliot
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: just telling the team like, hey, we don't think he's
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: going to run as much because they need him. They
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: need him upright. They need him healthy. And maybe you're like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: all right, maybe they have Eli Holstein behind them and
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: maybe they just feel like they're worried that he's going
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: to be injured. But that's the only other thing I
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: can think of here in this scheme is like, Man,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: they just need him so much, they're not going to
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: run him as much. But that has never been the
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: case with Bofri Bulla.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: We've got to talk about C.J. Bailey.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: We're getting all kinds of texts from people, you know, oh,
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: he's so overrated and all of this. It appeared to
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: me that much of the time, and again, I'm not
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: watching the All-22, right?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: We're watching on TV.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: But the commentators made it a point to point out,
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Max Brown made it a point over and over again, man,
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: these receivers aren't getting separation. What did you think was
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: the biggest problem with the passing game? And do you
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: think it was a case of Bailey being terrible? Do
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: you think it was, Oh no, we've got, we lost
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: our top five pass catchers and it really showed.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: What did you think was the biggest issue there?
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: I do think it was a combination of both, but
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: I still lean more on C.J. Bailey. It's funny because
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: he actually had written on his wristband that he had,
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: on one side it said takes and the other side
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: it said risks. And I don't think he took any
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: of those on Saturday because every time he dropped back,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: he was just looking to find a wide-open man instead
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: of trying to allow his receiver to beat somebody. And that,
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: you know, as much as I still put it on
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: his receivers not getting separation, there's ways as a quarterback
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: to put it where only your guy can get it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: And I think he was just nervous that he's going
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: to make the wrong pass and it's going to lead
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: to a game-changing interception because that unfortunately has been something
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: that he's done on the regular when he's been on
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: the road. So maybe that's something in the back of
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: his mind that I can't let that happen again. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: then the one-tip pass that leads to an interception– I
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: put some of that on him. I also put some
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: of that on the pass protection because the tight end
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: just looked like he thought it was a run play
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: and just passes off the defensive end straight to Davion Goss,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: who gets blown up, and then that pass ends up
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: getting tipped and goes straight in the air for an interception.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: The fumble, you know, C.J. Bailey's got to hang on
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: to the football there, but there's a combination of multiple
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: things there, but again... C.J. Bailey's got to be the
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: one to elevate the players around him, and he just
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: simply didn't on Saturday.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: We're talking to Corey Smith, Pack Power 24-7. He's on Twitter,
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: at R. Corey Smith, C-O-R-Y Smith. For as deflating as
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: Saturday was for the Wolfpack faithful, Corey, how much can
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: the Pack now benefit from from the scheduling because there's
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: no game for them coming up week one. Then it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: Richmond after that. They really don't have to be, you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: fully the pack again until they play Vanderbilt September 19th.
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: So that's at least a good thing here that there's
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: a lot of time to try to figure out what
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: went wrong, right?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it helps you to prepare, but then again, if
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: you say that two weeks to prepare for Vanderbilt and
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: an entire offseason to prepare, like two weeks of game
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: prep and an entire offseason to prepare, and then that's
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: what you got on Saturday. But look, it's a Vanderbilt team.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: The next real competition they'll face will be no shot
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: at Richmond, but I don't think anybody really thinks that
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Richmond is the team that it's like, all right, that's
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: going to– It changed everybody's minds about NC State when
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: they beat Richmond by 25, 30 points, something like that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: So the next real game is going to be, you know, Vanderbilt.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: You do have somewhat of three weeks to prepare. You
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: have some time to get with me. But that's going
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: to be, again, another tough test where you've got to
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: go on the road.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: You've got to prove yourself.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: It's on Dave Doran. It's on C.J.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Bailey.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: And it's on the rest of that offense to really
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: get things going. Because, again, the defense is going to
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: kind of live and die by the offense. If the
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: offense doesn't get going and the defense has to be
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: out there constantly like it was on Saturday, it's going
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: to be a really tough day in the office for them.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I just get the feeling that the biggest thing that
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: NC State fans are going to be looking forward to
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: is can this offense truly get itself back together? Because
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: that's going to be a major tell on how this
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: season is going to go. If the offense is not
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: up to snuff by the time you get to Vanderbilt,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: then that's a major concern because it doesn't get any
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: easier after that when you have... A little bit of
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: a bye, not a bye week because App State is
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: going to be tough coming in, but then you have
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Louisville and the ACC schedule starts after that. It's a
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: little bit easier compared to the rest of the ACC,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: but they are still ACC-level teams. There's still a bunch
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: of dudes on scholarships over there that want to beat
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: you and have been hearing all offseason about how you
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: have the easiest schedule because of them. So they want
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: to prove themselves, too.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of state fans that are texting in, Corey,
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you can relate to this, saying, Mac, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: told you during the summer, when NC State gets hyped
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: like this during the summer, you know something ugly is coming.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: And I kept hyping them, and I said, yeah, I know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: it feels different to me. And we saw something ugly.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: They have a trend. Corey, of some ugly losses early
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: in the season. I think the number is like, if
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: you go back to 2019, I think they have six
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: losses in the non-conference in the first three weeks of
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: the season that are by two touchdowns or more. I'm
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: sure you can probably recite these ugly games early. Why
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: does that happen? You know, Dorn often does a good
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: job of by the end of the season, maybe figuring
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: out how to get them going. Usually Carolina helps, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: the Carolina game plays a role. But like, what is
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: with some of these losses where they just, they just
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: play terribly early in the season?
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Again, the concern I have is just the lack of
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: preparation or lack of, you know, getting, getting guys ready for,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: for these moments. And, you know, I think Dave Doran
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: has kind of changed them in his off season, the
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: way that he does things. And I don't know if
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: it's just a lack of hitting or the lack of,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: you know, form tackling. Cause that was the biggest issue
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: to me. It didn't, you know, there was yes, Popo
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Gary finished with 18 tackles on Saturday, but it was
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: because other guys were missing tackles in front of him.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: And he shouldn't have been the one having to make
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: the tackle at the second level. So, For whatever reason,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: the defense over the years has slowly gotten worse when
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: it comes to tackling. On the offensive side of the football,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: it's just I think back to that 2022 season, Devin
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Leary coming out, and you're like, all right, man, he's
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: going to be the guy. He's going to be one
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: of the best to ever play at NC State. He
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: just broke the passing touchdown record for NC State the
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: previous season, and then he goes out and the entire
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: offense is flat against ECU. That's a much different team
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: than what you expected against UVA, because UVA at least,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: you're like, all right, man, this team is loaded with
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: talent coming off of a 10-win season, but they just
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: consistently have done this at the beginning of season. They
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: once once they figure out who their team is and
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: they put those pieces in the right place and they
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: have success. But just a lack of figuring out things
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: early enough in the offseason that they're they're finding success.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: And that's I mean, you know, I thought like, all right, man,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: this is this is going to be the season. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: did the exact same thing. I was like, this is
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: going to be the season where they haven't figured out
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: because you have C.J. Bailey back. How could you not
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: know what you have at this point? But I think
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: some of the offensive weapons around him, there was some
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: unsure feelings for him and for the offense as a
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: whole on Saturday.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, big-time disappointment. You're reminding me. Devin Leary, Bone, I
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: also hyped up in the offseason. Pretty sure Armstrong, Grayson McCall.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: He did Mike Glennon in at one point.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: I feel like I should learn my lesson. How have
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: I not learned my lesson, Corey?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: All right, brother. Hey, we appreciate.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Same here, man.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Same here.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: Everybody check out the great PAC coverage, PAC Power 24-7.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: He is Corey Smith. Thank you, Corey. We appreciate you.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Appreciate you guys having me on.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: All right, there you go. That is Corey Smith.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: This dude says, there are moments where I think I
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: realize the level of dumb that Mac holds in his brain.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: And then there are days like Saturday where I realize
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: I have underestimated that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Is that Mrs. Max Berner? Is that what that is? Possibly.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I believe we have a Finney update here. Do we not?
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Do you have an update on whether or not I'm dumb?
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: Do you have an update on that?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Don't encourage him to update that. God, seriously.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you, if I ever hype state football up
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: in the summer again, you've got to hit me with
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: a blunt object, Bone.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: All right? You've got to stop me. Can we spin
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: a wheel of objects?
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking a bat.
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: I was thinking of one of those big construction hammers.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: It's gotten rather dark here.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Something with spikes?
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: It's not bad, yeah. Finny, give us an update. All right,
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: stop this already. Give us an update. I dreamed you
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: were dead last night. Now he's trying to off you.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: That is, yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: What's up with your psyche that you're dreaming of me dying?
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: First Mama, now you.
• 31:02
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• 31:12
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• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Their phone number, 704-334-9934.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: 704-334-9934. 704-334-9934.
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: After an off-season filled with flirtations and workouts and.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Reports, it was made official last night.
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: Aaron Donald coming out of retirement to rejoin the Los
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: Angeles Rams on a one-year deal as they look to
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: get back to the Super Bowl, which will be played
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: in SoFi Stadium, the home of the Rams, where he
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: last played when they won the Super Bowl against the Bengals.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: That D-line's going to be nasty, Bone. Hell, even if
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: he's just 70% of his former self. Miles Garrett and company.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: That D-line is going to be nasty. And there's also
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: other guys like Byron Young.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Fisk.
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: I mean, there's a bunch of dudes that are good anyway. Now,
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: you add Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald, and then McDuffie and Watson.
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: That team, their Super Bowl odds, by the way, are
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: now through the roof right now.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Best D-line in football. The Rams or the Tar Heels? 7-0-4-5, 7-0-96-10.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: Xavier Lewis was balling, Finney. That's a zero-star recruit out
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: of Roseville High. What a baller he was. He was
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: like me at the Waffle House. Just straight eating.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: We'll just be anywhere.
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: When we come back, the Panthers are adding a vet
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: linebacker and traded for a young defensive tackle. What do
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: we expect from the new guys?
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: We'll analyze. Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Mack and Bone with you.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Rolling through a Monday. Carolina fans happy. State fans not.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Florida State fans a little concerned, it seems like. After
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: a maybe too close for comfort game against New Mexico State.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: Shout out to Stanford getting a win for the ACC
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: against Hawaii. They allowed 20 straight points blown bone to
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: blow a 16 point lead. But how about the former
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: Michigan Wolverine Davis Warren?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Stanford could actually pass the ball. He had a big day,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: including that final drive, man. That was a fun game.
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: And for those that have trouble following this stuff, now
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: that is not a conference game. Hawaii is not in
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: the ACC yet. Give some time, though. Give some time
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: to Jim Phillips. You brought up a great point during
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: the break, and we'll try to find it here at
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: some point. But Dave Doran also went on a— before Top
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: Panthers momentarily— Dave Doran also went on a bravado media
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: streak for.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: A while there. He talked a big game.
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: Also here talking to Matt Schick and Jeff Schwartz at
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: ACC Media Days on College Sports Radio, Matt, he was
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: talking about how they're a great dish right now that's
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: in the oven just waiting to be served.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Dude, he got served, didn't you? Credit to Wolfpack James.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: He brought it up because I wanted to talk about this. Like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: it's not just Wolfpack Mac being an idiot. Wolfpack Dave.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: He uncharacteristically talked a big game this offseason. He brought
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: up 10 wins himself this offseason. He called his shot
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: that it'll be a 10-win season for the first time ever.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: I guess they could still technically do that, but who
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: thinks they're going to do that now?
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: He thought C.J.
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: Bailey was good enough to overcome maybe the defensive stuff there,
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: and the other day he simply was not.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: What about the receivers? They can't get open.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: I know we're supposed to talk Panthers here, but some
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: national media guy texted out, what happened at NC State
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: is they paid all the money to retain their quarterback,
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: but didn't have money left to put players around him.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: And it does make you wonder, how much did they
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: sacrifice the weaponry that went bone in the transfer portal
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: to keep Bailey? And yes, at some point this season, Bailey,
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: like Corey Smith said, is going to have to pick
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: up their level.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: He's going to have to be that sort of force. Anyway,
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: let's get to the Panthers, shall we? Let's talk about
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: the Carolina Panthers. Two defensive additions to their roster. We
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: knew a linebacker move was coming. Bobby Okereke added a
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: one-year deal. I guess he hadn't been at it yet.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Because he's not on the active roster, hasn't officially signed.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: Panthers only have three inside linebackers right now on the roster,
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: but that will change when they sign him. All the
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: reports out there say he is signing a deal. Bone,
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: this is the man you wanted specifically at linebacker.
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: You know, it's good that we have a front office
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: here that listens to my needs and my wants. Other
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: people have said it, too. Matthew, you can't say enough about...
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: the linebacking group this year entering the season compared to
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: what it was last year. And really, honestly, what it
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: could have been next to Devin Lloyd this year. Okereke
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: and Devin Lloyd is such a massive upgrade over Roseboom
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: and Wallace.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: Does Bobby Okereke have some limitations? He does, but the
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: dude also is impactful, and that's what we're looking for
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: next to Devin Lloyd. It's someone that can be sturdy, dependable,
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: a force, someone that's not beat often like the other
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: guys are. What an upgrade there, and what a compliment
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: he's going to be, I think, next to Devin Lloyd.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: 143 tackles last year.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: He has had 130 tackles in four of the last
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: five years. The only year he didn't, he got hurt.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: He had a season shortened by injury. Now, he's getting
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: up there in age. He's 30. And last year, Bone,
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: you noticed some flaws in his game. He had 47
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: stops according to PFF, still had, like you said, a
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: boatload of tackles, but he missed a career-high 21 tackles
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: last year. And I saw somebody trying to say he
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: lost a step, but usually with linebackers, when they lose
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: a step, you see it in their coverage. His coverage
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: grade was really solid last year still. He had a
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: 65 coverage grade. But where he dropped bone, his overall
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: grade dropped from mid 70s to 56 on PFF and
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: his run grade dropped from mid 70s to 46. That's
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: kind of where you saw it. But again, he doesn't
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: have to be Ray Lewis. He has to be better.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: than chairless and the now waved Trevin Wallace. And to
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: your point, I think he can do that. I don't
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: think he's perfect. It's a one-year deal. But I do
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: think they needed to do something. And as you've been
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: pointing out, Bo, when you've been asking Dan Morgan to
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: sign him, He looked like probably the best name on
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: the open market. And by the way, brilliant dude, went
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: to Stanford. Absolutely brilliant. Listen to him talk, dude. This
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: guy's charismatic. He's brilliant. And oh, by the way, he
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: is a awesome dude. He was the Giants' Walter Payton
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: Man of the Year nominee last year. This guy's got
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: a heart of gold, too, man. He was a captain
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: in high school and college and with the Giants. So
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: we talk a lot of times about Dan Morgan likes
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: specific players for their character. You couldn't find a better guy,
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: a linebacker that is productive and has character. That's a
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Dan Morgan dream right there.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: So he's going to come right in this locker room.
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: They're going to love him. And it does feel like
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: an upgrade. I heard an interview with him the other day,
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: and he was one of those guys that you just
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: want to hear him talk forever.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: He's awesome. Yeah, he is.
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: So I like, there's a lot to like there. I
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: do think he started to get at 30. You're starting
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: to see that. We start to see a little bit
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: of diminishing returns last year, but it still feels like
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: an upgrade for the Panthers at linebacker. I'm very intrigued
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: by the trade bone for the defensive tackle from the
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: chargers and their give up. They gave up a six
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: round pick. In 2028, so not this coming draft, but
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: the one after. So you didn't have to part with
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: it for this coming draft. And Mike K points out
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: how much I saw this on Twitter. He pointed out
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: how much Dan Morgan cares about his draft collateral and doesn't.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Part with it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Willing nilly basically, right? My word, not his. So he
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: must really like this kid. It's either Tara Edwards or
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: T-Ra Edwards.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: T-Ra?
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: I got to figure out. I kind of like T-Ra.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know what we're going with. And again, he
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: hasn't played in a regular season game. He came out
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: of Illinois, Bone, last year, undrafted free agent. Was on
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: practice squad last year for the Chargers. But this season,
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: in the preseason, Bone... 51 pass rush snaps. He had
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: eight pressures as an interior D lineman. That is that
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: is very close around 15 percent pressure percentage, which is
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: damn good from the interior. He had 12 tackles and
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: seven stops and he only played 48 rundowns as well.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: This dude produced in the preseason to the point where
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: some of these film geeks– because I just YouTubed his name, Bone,
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: to see what's out there. And there are some of
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: these film geeks and their mom's basement type guys that
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: just obsess over stuff that we would never obsess over. Well,
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: they had been mentioning this dude all preseason and said
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: there's a– Damn, Flav just got hit with a strike.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: And they were basically saying, Bone, this dude is a
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: diamond in a rough. We're seeing what he's doing in
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: the preseason. He's going to be a player for someone.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: So I'm kind of intrigued by him. And that is
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: a position, Bone, that the Panthers are pretty weak at.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: Because you have Derrick Brown, Bobby Brown, and then everybody
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: else is either a second-year player or it's three guys
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: that have never played.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: A snap in the NFL. Yeah, 6'2, 305, 25 years old.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: It's one of those moves where... What was the draft choice? 2028,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: wasn't it? 2028-6.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: 2028.
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: So look, Dan Morgan, Mac, he traded a seventh round
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: pick before for, it was a player, but Michael Barrett
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: for Mike Jack.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And look what that turned out to be.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying necessarily it's always going to work out,
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: but Dan Morgan's had success before.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: In these moves like this. So we'll see what happens.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm very— Did he roar? 704 number says, Edward's
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: a beast. He's a stonewall against a double. He must
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: have seen the same video clips I did. Because there's—like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: he's got penetration on a lot of these plays, Bone,
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: where he made the play. But there's also a clip
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: or two out there where it's like, dude is eating
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: up a double team like Finney eats a Whopper.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Jokes on you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: I don't eat Burger King. Double quarter pounder, no ketchup
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: over here.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Shame on me.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: It's the only place he doesn't eat bone. How was
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: I supposed to know that? But like, yeah, this kid's intriguing, man.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: So I think they got better on defense. We'll just see.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Okereke's got to be added. So somebody is going to
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: leave this roster. And, you know, Bone, like we were
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: talking about earlier, you know, there's another pickup or two
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: probably coming as well from waiver cuts.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: Also was a wrestler in high school, which tells you
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: that he is, you know, for a guy that is
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: his size in that position, there's a leverage and there's
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: an athlete in there when he's got a wrestling pass.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: So that's something interesting to keep in mind, too, there.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Bone the GM.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: Not just size. Bone the GM likes the wrestling backgrounds, Dan.
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: He suggests, Dan Morgan, you look for wrestling backgrounds on defense, baby.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I look for wrestlers because they're great at the leverage game.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I like that, man. GM Bone getting it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: Those that cover the sport at a high level in
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: college football 27 know this. When we come back on
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: the Mac and Bone Show, Rod Baxley, Fayetteville Observer, was
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: in Ireland to watch the Heels upset. He'll give his
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: reaction and what it means long-term. Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.