Latest / Notable Nostalgia / 96. Matlock: The Photographer
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- 0:04Hi, I'm Ali, I'm Andy, I'm Jeff, and I'm Ria.
- 0:09And this is notable Nostalgieff all right and nostalgia nerds. Okay, you made
- 0:18you seated. This is Judge Andy, and welcome to this week's exciting episode.
- 0:22And when you think of excitement, I know you think of matt Lock.
- 0:25That's what comes to my mind. Yeah. Unfortunately we don't have Ali
- 0:29with us today, but we do have Jeffer Maria back. Whoo, welcome
- 0:32back you too. We missed you last episode podcast. Yeah, okay,
- 0:36and we know that Ria is a huge Mattlock fan already, but I don't
- 0:39think we've ever talked about just a relationship with matt Lock. So did you
- 0:42watch this growing up? Is this your first time? Give us some details
- 0:46and remember, Jeff, you are under oath. Yeah, oh no,
- 0:49I never I never heard about matt Lock until our podcast reviewed an episode.
- 0:56Yeah. I never heard that word matt Lock. Like I've heard locks before.
- 0:59It matts like like bath mats, But I've never heard of matt Lock.
- 1:03Ever. That's a good name for a person to have. Matt Block
- 1:07spoiler. I didn't know his name was matt Lock until like further into the
- 1:11episode, and I was like, because I thought it had to do with
- 1:14like lock, something with like jail or like the I don't know, something
- 1:18like that. And I was like, oh, his name's Mattlock. It's
- 1:21like his last name Amy's. No. I never heard of this, and
- 1:23I didn't listen to that episode of the Matlock episode. I never watched Mattlock,
- 1:30so then I would have been like, I don't have no idea what
- 1:32they're talking about, and I don't know, but but now, yeah,
- 1:34Mattlock. So sorry, Jeff, did you but you watched the Simpsons,
- 1:41right, because yeah, Simpsons does they make Mattlock references. Abe loves him
- 1:47right, so many I don't remember a lot of things. And then so
- 1:53many times when people make jokes, I laugh along like I know what they're
- 1:59talking about, or I'll pivot and say something like like nastl toof and then
- 2:04you know, then I'll just change the subject. And there's an episode of
- 2:07The Simpsons where Homer goes, first you get the money, then you get
- 2:09the power, then you get the women. And I didn't know what that
- 2:13was from until I was like twenty because that's when I watched Scarface. So
- 2:16but I was like Oh, that's funny. I'm like, it's probably from
- 2:19something, but I just don't know what it was, so I like scarface,
- 2:22Yes, it's okay, you know, I don't know. I'm glad
- 2:24I didn't watch it when I was a kid, because that would have been
- 2:28like because I as an adult, I was like, I'm acting like I
- 2:30have a gun after watching it. Oh and yeah no, but yeah,
- 2:35I never saw Matt Locke. But then when I was watching it, I
- 2:37was like, oh my god, that's uh Andy Griffith. Yeah, I
- 2:40had no idea it like that was like when I saw that, when I
- 2:43realized who he was, I was like, okay, I watched Andy Griffith
- 2:46show. Yeah. I remember growing up a lot of kids would be like,
- 2:47what's up Andy Griffith, and but they weren't saying it to be mean,
- 2:51So I don't like, I guess my name's Andy. Yeah. Never
- 2:53really Goh that cool? Al right. Like a kid at work came up
- 2:58to me today he was like, those kids out there called you gay,
- 3:01and I was like, I am, like, people are bullies animys,
- 3:07But no, I I didn't a spoiler. I it I did too,
- 3:14So where do you rank this? Or I will wait till the very end.
- 3:15Yeah. But uh so, the reason I chose this episode is because
- 3:20I feel like you're kind of like an expert at Mattlock. Would you would
- 3:23you say? That's true? Sure? And so I always like to have
- 3:29an episode of something to where if we have questions, we can ask one
- 3:31person. And you know, we've done so many Simpson's episodes, We've done
- 3:35a few nine two one oero episodes. We've only done one Mattlock episode,
- 3:38so I thought it'd be kind of fun to do that. But the reason
- 3:42I chose this specific one is because I think it's a lot more fun when
- 3:45we have episodes that are kind of bad. So this is the second worst
- 3:49rated Mattlock episode of the entire series, and I loved it. It was
- 3:53really good. It was a really good episode. But that's why I chose
- 3:58this one. That totally makes sense. Roger Ebert, who No, it
- 4:01was on IMDb, so it was just like, yeah, okay, well
- 4:10before we get into this, does anybody have any more Mattlock there any more?
- 4:15Does anybody want to talk more about Mattlock? Nah, I'm excited to
- 4:21chit chat about I watched it last night and I was like did you have
- 4:25to watch this episode again? Rio or did you once we said it?
- 4:28Like, you know what funny is? I don't think I've ever seen this
- 4:30episode? Oh okay, perfect? Yeah, so it was good. It
- 4:34was really good to watch it. I definitely understand why it's one of the
- 4:40worst ranked ones. Like I was like, there's not really any any aspects
- 4:47of Mattlock that I'm used to seeing in an episode in this episode, and
- 4:53I was kind of bummed by that. I didn't see any hot Dog references.
- 4:58Yeah, there are no watch I know. Yeah that's funny. So
- 5:03yeah, maybe we should one, two, three, four Cass in a
- 5:05podcast? Andy, what's a Cold Bags? Podcast? In a podcast?
- 5:12His Andy What's a Cold Bags? Andy Griffinth died one hundred and thirty miles
- 5:16from where he was born at the age of eighty six. Andy Griffiths was
- 5:20worth twenty five million dollars when he died of twenty five. Ron Howard still
- 5:25gets royalties from the TV show that Andy Grippins show Mattlock is going to be
- 5:29rebooted Cathy Baits and that is set to air this year. And podcasts in
- 5:34a podcast, Yeah, Andy, what's a Cold Bags? Podcast? And
- 5:40a podcast, his Andy, what's a cold bag? It looked its terrible.
- 6:00Oh my god, it looks so it looks so bad. And also
- 6:03like there's no real connection to the old Mattlock, Like I don't understand why
- 6:12they're calling it Mattlock or like also she's oh, I don't know. To
- 6:16me, I'm just like, I'm not excited, same as same was when
- 6:19they rebooted Perry Mason. I was just like, but no, there aren't
- 6:23a lot of people besides like me who grew up watching these things I feel
- 6:29like, And so I think it just kind of has missed its opportunity for
- 6:33nostalgia and the people that I feel like as they're so everybody our age,
- 6:41even though I really enjoyed this episode. When you think of Mattlocke, you
- 6:43think of like old people boring episodes, right, Yeah, And if this
- 6:46show has nothing to do with the original show, why even name it that
- 6:49other Because everybody who watched it back, you know, thirty or forty years
- 6:53ago, you know, they're probably not a lot. For the most part,
- 6:57I don't get it. A silent majority of people that are more like
- 7:01Rhea that just aren't like haven't come out as Mattlock fans publicly. Yeah,
- 7:08so maybe there is like a lot of mouth. So you're saying there like
- 7:11Matt locked in the closet, Yeah, something like Verry Amazing. I thought
- 7:15was very Erry amazing. I thought was very attractive. Yeah, yeah,
- 7:18Perry as I watched a few episodes because of Rhea. Yeah, no,
- 7:21I would totally sit on his face. He was gay, Raymond Burg is
- 7:26gay? Oh no, thank you. Then, oh that's sweaty. All
- 7:35right. So the intra credits are just a bunch of black and white pictures.
- 7:39There are some shoes, some different fruits and flowers. Makes it look
- 7:43really artistic. And now we're actually to the real episode, and uh,
- 7:46we see a pretty minimally decorated art room and we see Playboy of the Year
- 7:53come up. He hits on a few girls, one wearing black, one
- 7:56wearing white. I don't know what that means, but I wonder if maybe
- 7:59one of them is and the other one is good. I don't know.
- 8:01And I wrote all these notes as I'm just going so I get that.
- 8:05Yeah. He then says there's a critic there that's really important to the art
- 8:09scene. But he looks like a fucking nerd. Doesn't he It looks like
- 8:11you invented Microsoft. And then a lady literally hops into the scene, which
- 8:16is kind of confusing, and I think it might be the playboy's girlfriend.
- 8:20Oh wait, another girl comes running into the scene and she is not dressed
- 8:24all fancy. She sneaks in and goes straight to the kitchen. And whoever
- 8:26this playboy is is pissed. I think he's the one who is the artist.
- 8:33He's mad because she wasn't on time, or was on time but didn't
- 8:35stay there the entire time. And I think the real reason he's pissed,
- 8:39though, is because she offers him a gift and he looks at it and
- 8:43he goes, what's that? And she goes, it's a gift. He
- 8:45can clearly see it's a frame. And I think if there's one person in
- 8:48the world that doesn't need another frame, it's probably this guy. Yeah,
- 8:52i'd fire her instantly. Where have you been? What I was running in?
- 9:05What's this? It was going to be a surprise. It's a gift.
- 9:09It's for you for your opening. I needed you here now, Randall.
- 9:15I set the time laps camera to go off every fifteen minutes. Okay,
- 9:18come on, you'll have your portrait of the opening note problem, that's
- 9:22not the point. And you know it. You're supposed to be here when
- 9:24I tell you to be here. Randall, I know your dance, this
- 9:28is your big day. But lighting up okay. But I wouldn't fire her
- 9:31in the middle of an event because she could make a scene and ruined the
- 9:35whole event. And I fired a lot of people before in my life,
- 9:37and I make sure to do it at the end of the week or right
- 9:41before Christmas. Really, one time I had to fire like thirty five people,
- 9:46like two weeks for Christmas, and I was gonna die. It was
- 9:50like the worst fucking thing ever. I was like, oh my gosh.
- 9:52I'd be like, well, I will fire myself so that I don't have
- 9:56to do this. Right. When I worked in retail management, I would
- 10:00go on my break to like Antiance pretzels and get an application and put it
- 10:05on their bag. Oh I get it to like encourage them to like,
- 10:13oh, that's horrible. I remember the first person ever had to fire.
- 10:16I was like eighteen or seventeen something like that, and she's like, hey,
- 10:20I'm not on the schedule again this week. And I was too afraid
- 10:22to tell her that she was fired for two weeks, so I was like,
- 10:26yeah, it might be best if you start looking for a new job.
- 10:30So yeah, it's tough. But when she does make a scene,
- 10:33she tries to leave and he grabs her really aggressively, and then everybody in
- 10:39the place gets pissed, and rightfully, rightfully so because he shouldn't grab anybody
- 10:43like that, And his whole response is, oh, kids, Like,
- 10:48I don't know, that was pretty odd. She really confused me. Her
- 10:52character really confused me. I'm not quite sure. Was she like his assistant?
- 10:58I think, so I have that and down so many times I'm like
- 11:01his girlfriend assistant. I don't know. And then she does she live there?
- 11:05Because like in the next when she's when she's coming back, like I
- 11:11know where a couple scenes like forward, but the police ask her if she
- 11:18are you the girl that lives here? Yeah, and then she when they
- 11:22first start arguing too, she goes, so you're just gonna kick me out
- 11:24like that? So I think maybe she was living there, but I don't
- 11:28know if she was like a girlfriend. But who Also, who sets up
- 11:33their house like an art gallery? Like there was a furniture there was nothing
- 11:39in. The walls are entirely white, the floor is entirely white. I
- 11:43was really confused as to how this this setup. I was really lost.
- 11:48There's so many times ra I go and then the client who might be the
- 11:52girlfriend or not, because why would the cops let her back in? Why
- 11:54this been like a day or two cents of murder, and they're just like,
- 11:56yeah, go free. And then I'm like, or the apartment or
- 12:01maybe the art studio. I don't they don't really make that super clear.
- 12:05No, but uh, oh shit, he's dead. He's lying on the
- 12:09ground for like a really long time, and the lady that was fired comes
- 12:13back and sees that he's dead. She hurries and grabs a camera gear.
- 12:18I don't know if it's hers, maybe the dead guys. I'm not sure.
- 12:20I think it's not her. I don't think it's hers. Yeah,
- 12:24no, yeah, I think she was stealing. Yeah, okay. She
- 12:28runs out of the apartment and gets on a sick fucking hog, which is
- 12:33just some OpEd, But then she starts waiting at a pond store to open
- 12:37the pond for the pon stor to open up so she can pawn all this
- 12:39camera stuff. A young Billy Bob Thornton offers to pay two hundred and fifty
- 12:43bucks for all the camera stuff. Would you get your hands on stuff like
- 12:50this? How much two and fifty Are you serious? Take it or late?
- 13:03I'll take it all right. This one's got film then that you wanted
- 13:22the film? That would be about six hundred dollars in today's money. And
- 13:31then during the transaction, she remembers the film from the camera in the corner
- 13:35that was taking photos every fifteen minutes and runs out of the pawnshop. She
- 13:39runs back to the art gallery or the house, I'm not sure, because
- 13:41the cops say, are you the one that lives here? You the girl
- 13:45who lives here? Maybe that was a housewarming party. I don't really know,
- 13:48but it looks like they already got the film that she remembered and she
- 13:52sprints out. She hops on her sweet moped hog. We get a little
- 13:56car chase scene and we meet Matt Locke in the courthouse. She pulls up
- 13:58asking Matlock for help, but for help, but he declines and the episode's
- 14:03over. Yeah, he goes, No, I'm not gonna help you leave
- 14:07kid. Roll credits. Mister, mister, I need to talk to you.
- 14:15Well, are you all right? What can I do for you?
- 14:18I need a lawyer right now. Wait a minute, I hear you the
- 14:20best lawyer in Atlanta. What miss, I'm Amy Adler and I am in
- 14:24a real jam. The cops think I kill my boss. Well I'm sorry,
- 14:28miss. Look, mister Mattlock, I have a juvenile delinquent rap sheet.
- 14:33If I don't get somebody like you, I don't stand a chance.
- 14:37I did not kill him. Excuse me, there is your client. No.
- 14:43Luckily though, Mattlock was at the courthouse. But I can kind of
- 14:46see her reasoning because lawyer courthouse, middle of the day. It kind of
- 14:50makes sense. The cops arrest her and she yells to Matlock. You know,
- 14:54if I hadn't come looking for you, I could have been out of
- 14:56town right now. So how does everybody feel about this? Beginning? Real?
- 15:09Oh? So? So? My notes were, I do love the
- 15:11scenes that of the episode before it airs, and I think we should bring
- 15:16that back, Like I want to know what I'm getting into before I watched
- 15:22this episode. I don't know. Yes, that's a very good point.
- 15:24Actually I had two notes for this, and I forgot to add that over.
- 15:28Yes, because there's been a lot of movies or TV shows where I
- 15:31start watching something and then I'm like, ah, I wish I didn't watch
- 15:33this, And I'm already like halfway through, so I'm like, I'll just
- 15:35finish it. But if they gave you a few, like I was it
- 15:39like a thirty second maybe a minute clip of like just scenes at the beginning
- 15:41of this episode, I didn't say this earlier. They give you a few,
- 15:46maybe like six or seven clips of the episode before it starts, and
- 15:50I love that. I think that's a really cool idea. Yeah, totally,
- 15:52we should bring that back. The the theme song is still a banger.
- 15:58Yeah, eyes are terrifying. That is my was my main takeaway.
- 16:03I'm like, I would so the the photographer takes like close ups of eyes
- 16:08and they're scary. I will never look that put together, even when I'm
- 16:14dead. Like he looked really good, and I love that there was just
- 16:21like one little drop of blood, like this is prime not primetime television,
- 16:26but like you know, it's family television even though it's crime, and they're
- 16:30just like, I don't think that's what he looked like. Also, he's
- 16:36the best lawyer in Atlanta. They say that almost every episode. I feel
- 16:40like they're like, you're the best, You're the best, And then I
- 16:44think it's funny that she ran up to ask him for help because he is
- 16:48expensive. They also say that a lot in a lot of the episodes.
- 16:51They're like, you can't afford his fee or like, you know, it's
- 16:55like he typically has like a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars retainer and then
- 17:00Louise and then people pay. Like I was just like, you would never
- 17:03have access to this person, especially as a random little girl. But how
- 17:11how white privilege it is to just be like, no, I feel like
- 17:15I can't get the best attorney in Atlanta. Well, then this is an
- 17:21eighty five too, So like, how would she even know what he really
- 17:22looks like? Unless right, Like, why why would he know? Yeah,
- 17:26I wouldn't know, Like if I didn't know who my attorney was,
- 17:30I wouldn't know what he looks like. Yeah, it was kind of a
- 17:32weird that she went to him with all of what you all just said.
- 17:37I find him very endearing, but I also, throughout the episode find him
- 17:42a little pervy when he's like looking you know, in the future scenes when
- 17:48he's looking at the photos and like she has really nice eyes or whatever,
- 17:52or real nice smile or something like he's been a little pervy. I put
- 17:56on here one thing. I thought, I'm pretty confident my facts be shaky.
- 18:00That that courthouse, like Fulton County is where one of the Trump trials
- 18:04is eventually gonna happen. So that that was yeah, for the one of
- 18:08the election interference ones where he called the the Secretary of State to find more
- 18:14votes. So that's in Folk, Fulton County and Georgia. So I thought
- 18:17that was kind of funny. Yeah, And then I put on here that
- 18:25he would I think Matt Locke would be considered a polar bear in the gay
- 18:30community, like a bear, but you know, older and gray and like
- 18:33white hair bear. I think that I am. I would classify myself as
- 18:41probably like a cub turning into a bear. Andy would be I think like
- 18:48an otter. I was gonna say, I don't have any hair, Yeah,
- 18:49so you're like an otter. And then uh, and then Rio would
- 18:55be a twink. I just say the video of an otter eating stuff on
- 18:59his belly, So I put that on there. Okay, the most important
- 19:04part of this episode is the whole subplot of his obsession with his ID photo.
- 19:11Yes, love that, Like is that a common thing that he does?
- 19:15Like old man crazy shit like that? Yes, that was amazing.
- 19:22And then the I don't know what has changed in cinematography nowadays opposed to then,
- 19:30but it all it reminded me of like the same Simons up cinematography is
- 19:34like are you afraid of the dark? Like it's not very clean close ups.
- 19:38It's very like I don't know, it's just not crisp. But I
- 19:41get that it's like thirty years ago or so. But yeah, it's weird
- 19:45too that like we have YTVs now, so everything looks a lot different than
- 19:49it used to. So they serve hot dogs and like concessions at the courthouse.
- 19:53I've never seen one but this concessions character they do. If you go
- 19:59to this the Salem courthouse, they have like a like a little snack like
- 20:06a little stack bar that you can buy things from. M any I guess
- 20:11that makes sense with like people and the judges like going in and out of
- 20:15I don't know, but I probably wouldn't want to like be a judge and
- 20:18then get the same snack bar as the criminals. You know, if you're
- 20:22bipolar. You like boy a girl polar bears. Oh my god, that's
- 20:26adorable. I've been waiting for. Let's say that, since you proud of
- 20:29it. When she's walking up to the dead body, they like, it's
- 20:33really slow, right, And then there's a picture of a baby behind her,
- 20:36but the baby's face is fucking hideous and they keep really hitting that baby's
- 20:40face. I'm like, horrible. This photographer is like really popular in this
- 20:45universe, but I don't find it very good. It's not good. I
- 20:48think whoever took these pictures was like, okay, people in the art community
- 20:52would like this, and like I don't think they actually, you know,
- 20:56discussed with an artist or something. It was okay. I don't know.
- 20:57I didn't mind that the want to kind of like to. Actually, but
- 21:04we're at these so now we're at the courthouse. Uh actually, now we're
- 21:11at her trial, and I feel like they chose the most stereotypical or they
- 21:15possibly could have. And he's helping her out. He says, just take
- 21:19a plea. You'll get five years with good behavior, which is crazy because
- 21:22she murdered somebody. We cop the plea and you get five to ten years
- 21:27with good behavior, but I didn't do it. And like a little bit
- 21:32later, Mattlocke's assistant says, tha's got enough evidence to lock that up and
- 21:36throw away the key. Like what he's got eyewitnesses saw into the building at
- 21:41ten o'clock that evening. What else, Oh, not much. It's a
- 21:45photograph that shows your client holding the murder weapon leaning over the dead body.
- 21:51That is so much evidence, just for like five years of murder. And
- 21:55then when Matt Lock comes in and goes, hey, I'm gonna help you
- 21:57out, they just let her go with all the evidence. She's just free
- 22:00to go. She's a murderer based on what they think. That's insane to
- 22:03you only get five years in prison for murder, he said five to ten,
- 22:07But you know he's thinking probably manslaughter, manslaughters, But like that's what
- 22:15that's that with the evidence. I feel like that's a little you know,
- 22:19even though it's not real evidence. But and then they saw her show up
- 22:22again and then run off, like the's a lot stacked up against So she
- 22:26didn't if she didn't kill him, she still didn't go to the police.
- 22:32She stole from him and ran from the police, like she committed a lot
- 22:34of crimes. Yeah, yeah, for sure, but what else? Yeah,
- 22:38as they start talking. As Matt Locke and this new client start talking,
- 22:42she brings up three women that are super in love with the dead guy
- 22:45and always buys this picture sight unseen. But they were there at the opening
- 22:52of this apartment, so I'm assuming the one wearing white and the one that
- 22:56are wearing black and the person who jumped into the scene or three that they're
- 23:00talking about. He asks if she knows their numbers. She doesn't, but
- 23:03luckily she is really good at stealing and breaks into a filing cabinet. So
- 23:07I'm still a little confused if she lived there or not, because why are
- 23:11they just letting her and Mattlock walk around? Really, this is like the
- 23:14same day or the next day, so it's still a pretty fresh murder scene.
- 23:19They're just letting yeah go and you're fine, right, it seems like
- 23:22a lot. And also that it's her house and she has a filing cabinet
- 23:26that's luck that she can't open. I'm really confused. Yeah, I don't.
- 23:32I really don't understand her living situate the same. Yeah I don't.
- 23:37Yeah, Yeah, I'm trying to think, but I can't. I have
- 23:41no idea, but damn Mattlock has some game. Okay, now the plot
- 23:45thickens. The first girl he talks to is going to be a model.
- 23:48I think that's what she's doing. And she says she did not go back
- 23:51at the end of the murder. She went to this club until three am.
- 23:53He says, a lot of people, a lot of people saw you
- 23:56there. Huh. Someone calls her name before she can answer, tell me,
- 24:02miss Steve her you didn't go back to mister Proofs's loft after the murder,
- 24:06did you? No? No, I was at the Havelely Club until
- 24:11three in the morning. A lot of people saw yes. Yes, of
- 24:15course. Maybe you could give me some of their names. Oh, excuse
- 24:19me, I'm sorry. I think it was the lady in the black at
- 24:23the beginning. I'm still going to hold onto that prediction. Okay, person
- 24:26too. We are at a principal's office. She says, I'm assuming you're
- 24:30here to ask me questions, and he says, last time I was at
- 24:33a principal's office, I got my ears boxed. And that's not a question.
- 24:37I wish At that moment, he just got up and walked away,
- 24:40and she's like, oh, you know, old people like you're just frucking
- 24:45batshit crazy. And then I go, damn, Matlock has game on this
- 24:48lady as well. So she says she was at some fundraiser and there were
- 24:52a lot of people there and had pictures taken. Well, at the risk
- 24:56of being impertinent, again, where were you the knight of the murder?
- 25:00The evening of the seventeenth Let's see, now that's at the Junior Charity's ball.
- 25:07There were lots of photographers. I'm sure there must be many pictures.
- 25:11I must be in some of them. Well, as they say, a
- 25:15picture's worth a thousand words, yes they are. And then she turns around
- 25:22and looks at the picture on the wall, which is a shoe. So
- 25:25now I'm thinking the shoe probably killed that guy. I guess we'll see.
- 25:27Okay, So now the third lady, he thinks, is okay, this
- 25:32is the third lady. Now he's about to interview the third lady, who
- 25:36I think is like a senator or something like that, which is crazy because
- 25:38she's a politician and somebody that she was friends with just got murdered and nobody
- 25:45seems to care at all. She says she was out of rally until midnight,
- 25:48and there's TV cameras, so she has an alibi. Okay, So
- 25:52the politician has a picture on the wall of grapes, and the principal had
- 25:55a picture of a shoe, but the first lady didn't have any painting,
- 25:59so I think the model did it, but I don't know if she's wearing
- 26:02black or not. The politician has to leave because she has a press conference
- 26:06in five minutes. If I was that person and they were like, hey,
- 26:08there's a lawyer here to see you, I would say I wouldn't say,
- 26:12Okay, I have five minutes. I'll talk afterwards. He probably wants
- 26:15to talk about the murder of my friend. Maybe I should spare more than
- 26:18five minutes. I know this is a bad time, miss Warden, but
- 26:23I've gone to get to the bottom of this Randall Brooks murder, and I
- 26:26need your help. There's nothing really that I can help you with. I
- 26:30don't suppose you had any reason to go back for the loft that night,
- 26:33mister Matlock. I've told Lieutenant Davis everything. You wouldn't happen to remember where
- 26:37you were that evening at a rally until midnight. If you don't believe me.
- 26:41You can check with the TV stations. It's all on tape. If
- 26:44you excuse me, I do have a press conference that I have to make
- 26:45in five minutes. Okay, Well, now we have the three people with
- 26:53their alibis and the plot has officially thickened. So what's everybody when you're watching
- 26:59this for the first time, who were you thinking? Did it? I'll
- 27:03let you go first this time, Jeff, I did not know. I
- 27:07did not know. I thought it was maybe somebody hired somebody to kill the
- 27:14I still don't know. I don't know the outcome, Like, I'm pretty
- 27:17confident it was the model, But then, like, how did the guy
- 27:22get killed? Yeah, I don't know. They didn't really say. Well,
- 27:27they said that the police said they have a picture of the lady with
- 27:30a murder weapon, so maybe she had like a stick or so. I
- 27:33don't know. I don't really know, but there wasn't very much blood on
- 27:37the guys had, like Rio Sayance, I don't really know how he died.
- 27:40Yeah, I don't know. I'm still like, I'm just enjoyed.
- 27:42I feel comforted by watching this show because Matt Locke, like the gentleman,
- 27:48is Andy Griffith when I realized, you know, but but I was more
- 27:51like upset with the with the the associate of the photographer that died. I
- 27:57was like, she was stressing me out. I constantly like doing an illegal
- 28:02stuff and also not being like stressed or concerned that her landlord boyfriend boss whatever
- 28:10he is it got murdered and she's a suspect. Like she was more concerned
- 28:14about like what dress she's gonna wear, yeah, and that kind of thing.
- 28:17But nobody really seemed to care. But they were all like, oh,
- 28:21you know what, Maybe they were only nice to him because of the
- 28:25the blackmail. Maybe they thought if they were rude to him, they he
- 28:27would make them pay more. Yeah, I'm assuming they're all nice to him
- 28:33because they're being blackmailed. But I just didn't really find because in the very
- 28:41first scene where they're all at the the art gallery apartment, they were like
- 28:49when they all got mad because he grabbed her, I was just like,
- 28:52well, these are not these are clearly fake friends, and it's just I
- 28:59don't know, it's just just was not enough for me to buy that.
- 29:02Like I guess maybe that's the fact that they were trying to make is that
- 29:07like any of them could have done it because nobody really liked him. But
- 29:11it to me, it just felt like there wasn't a really good setup as
- 29:15to who could be the murder and the whole and just skip ahead. Like
- 29:22the whole blackmail thing is that he has photos of them, you know whatever,
- 29:27but like the it's art, like the it wasn't like who cares if
- 29:33it's you know, pornographic, like like for jerking it or whatever, but
- 29:37like who cares? Like maybe it's a different time, Yeah for sure,
- 29:41Well this is no internet, so like I think the only way you could
- 29:42get porn was like magazines or the video store, I guess. But then
- 29:47I wasn't sure either was it like supposed to be model pictures or was it
- 29:49supposed to be like porn pictures. I was thinking it was like high editorial
- 29:55like nudes. Yeah, like like really just like fashion like like art,
- 30:00and it's just so interesting, Like I know it's this probably broad brush statement,
- 30:03but like nowadays, you know, the other Kim Kardashians and the you
- 30:07know, Paris Hilton's and stuff. Yeah, and times have changed. All
- 30:11three of those women would be like have twenty million followers on Instagram and guess
- 30:15this only has like five hundred you could pick some Gus guests. Oh well,
- 30:19thank you nice. Yeah, Like, I take so many pictures.
- 30:23Sorry, what go ahead? I take so many pictures of Gus and nobody
- 30:26ever like offers to pay me money for his pictures. Wow. Yeah,
- 30:32because when they're looking at the photos, Matt Luck says like, these girls
- 30:36are doing things they shouldn't be doing, or something to that effect, And
- 30:41so I assume that they were more pornographic in nature. Oh okay, I
- 30:48could see that then, especially if you be like, because back in the
- 30:49eighties of a politician had like some kind of porn, you know, background,
- 30:55people weren't for that. But now it seems like, hey, that's
- 30:56fine. Yeah, but oh my god, when he first met that,
- 31:00when he first saw that model, the very first one, and she like
- 31:03sneezed right in front of him. She did not cover her mouth, she
- 31:07did not. I was just I was really disgusted by that. I say,
- 31:15gazoom died on that sneak. Oh. Now we're back at Matlock's house
- 31:22or maybe his office. I'm not one hundred percent sure. Uh, I
- 31:26don't know. But his client comes in with a new dress and she looks
- 31:30very nice. And then his assistant comes in and proves that the politician and
- 31:33the principle, both of their alibis, did check out. His client then
- 31:38walks out and damn baby got back Iverybany noticed that she's Louise. Mattlock tells
- 31:44his client to sleep at the y, not at the loft, so I
- 31:47think she does live there. Based off that, I think she actually does
- 31:51live there, which kind of makes sense sense. That's why she can keep
- 31:55just going back and forth on like in a police uh you know, uh,
- 32:01in a crime who lives in a loft like that and doesn't have any
- 32:05furniture. I was, I'm still really confused, Like there was zero furniture,
- 32:10and it was it looked like an art gallery, like the the wall
- 32:16like I think it's like an art gallery, like an apartment that got turned
- 32:20into an art gallery. And then she has like a little, you know,
- 32:23large closet that's like her room, is what I thinking. Well now,
- 32:28and I'm thinking about it. So there is the big open room that's
- 32:30where all the pictures were, and then there was a kitchen in a black
- 32:34room, dark room, and that's so maybe I don't know. Yeah,
- 32:37now maybe they were gonna take everything out after the art gallery and put furniture.
- 32:44The whole crime scene thing doesn't make sense either, because like they didn't
- 32:46let like Oj go back to the crimes. I put that in my note.
- 32:51Look, okay, I swear it goes. That's insane. So literally,
- 32:53like, okay, so I think she does live there, which kind
- 32:57of makes sense since there's a crime scene, but she's also the main us
- 33:00back suspect. Imagine, let Oj sleep in Nicole's house. Yeah, so
- 33:06yeah, what is up? Yeah that's crazy, that's so insane. Yeah.
- 33:09Uh. Anyway, Mattlock's assistant is going to take her to the why,
- 33:13but first they're going to stop at the loft so she can get some
- 33:15things. She says, I'll be right back, and then runs to her
- 33:17house and this guy seems really impatient because he doesn't stick his head out and
- 33:22yell no, that's fine, you don't need to run. That's crazy to
- 33:25me. Oh shit, someone's already in the house. Once they hear her
- 33:30enter the house, they shut the lights off. They shut the lights off
- 33:34of the room they are in. She hears movement, She hears movement,
- 33:37and then she goes to investigate which is crazy because the same place her boyfriend,
- 33:43slash Boss was just murdered the day before, and she went in by
- 33:46herself and I wouldn't do that. That's really scary. The stranger attacks her,
- 33:51and luckily she knows his one weakness flashes of light. Mattlock's assistant comes
- 33:55in to fight off the creep. This part confused me because she was only
- 33:59in there for maybe a minute, maybe one minute. So it turns out
- 34:04he doesn't have any patients, because why else would he run up there.
- 34:07Yeah, okay, l E've ben here for one minute. Get your shit.
- 34:09We gotta go. Uh. The guy gets punched, and then the
- 34:14assistant gets punched and then thrown down on the ground, and then the stranger
- 34:16runs off. Matt Locke's assistant asks if she's all right, and she says,
- 34:21I ripped my dress. He goes. Never mind that in the fight,
- 34:25she was able to capture a few pictures of the bad guy. And
- 34:29as of right now, I'm having a lot of fun watching this episode.
- 34:31As I put in my notes, yeah, I was having a blast,
- 34:34Like I was like, I'm excited to see how this ends. I just
- 34:37don't try. Maybe there's more to her story or whatever. But she's like
- 34:40been around dead bodies because like that's booked. It's like, yeah, I
- 34:45get she's pissed at him, at her boss or whatever, but to be
- 34:51like, oh my boss is dead, I'm gonna go rob him now like
- 34:54he's he might still be alive. Call the police, like hide the body
- 35:00if you're gonna go like the criminal route, Like she should probably hide the
- 35:02body and like scan the like she's sworn enough's n street smart enough to know
- 35:08like, oh, there's a camera in the corner. I'm not I'm gonna
- 35:12wear gloves really quick. I'm gonna steal everything. I'm not coming back here,
- 35:15Like she should have leaned into the criminal shit, or she should have
- 35:19called the police. What if he wasn't dead? And so the next day
- 35:22he like wakes up and he's like, didn't I see you? Like when
- 35:25I was really hurt. She's like, no, didn't I see you?
- 35:30Take all that camera? Shit? Why didn't you call the cops? Like
- 35:31I was injured on the ground, Like that's because I don't think she touched
- 35:36him, did you know? I don't think so she should maybe they should
- 35:38they should have included him, like releasing his bowels, and then that was
- 35:44like and then that was like the sign the white tape around the body when
- 35:47they go back to it looks like something from Looney Tunes, like, yeah,
- 35:51it is that's where, that's where that Yeah, oh my gosh.
- 35:58Okay, So it's the next day and they're walking around around a place that
- 36:00has had three crimes in as many days, because I think it's only day
- 36:06two or day three after the crime. So murder happened, and assault happened,
- 36:08and a burglary happened. During this scene, they discovered that the dead
- 36:13guy has naked pictures of the three ladies that Mattlocke has been interviewing, and
- 36:17that he was blackmailing them for five thousand bucks a month. That's a shit
- 36:22tons of money, especially in eighty five. So if that two point fifty
- 36:27was about six hundred, that would be about eleven or twelve thousand dollars a
- 36:30month in twenty twenty four money. And was it one of them? A
- 36:32principal? Yeah, I mean it was a really nice school, but there
- 36:37still yeah, but there is a paid discrepancy between the admin at schools and
- 36:40the teachers. Yeah, well yeah for sure, but yeah, twelve thousand
- 36:44dollars a month right now is fucking insane. Yeah. Funny if like the
- 36:49pictures weren't them doing like nudity but like doing just like really just disgusting things,
- 36:53or if they were all in like Nazi propaganda and stuff they're like they're
- 36:57like, oh no, that's not good. I wonder about the pictures actually
- 37:00were of I think they're Yeah, in my head, I have it.
- 37:02I have a very vivid idea. Oh no, no, no, I
- 37:06mean like the actual pictures that they use as props because sometimes like I think
- 37:09I would imagine, like I'm a Hollywood insider, but uh like maybe they
- 37:14would do something like funny, like do like a picture of Andy Griffith,
- 37:16Oh right, you know what I mean, like him naked? Yeah?
- 37:19Yeah, I don't know. I don't find him unattractive, like when I'm
- 37:22sixty seventy eighty, like that's gonna be my type. Oh I see his
- 37:28ears are insanely long. I know, crazy happens when you get older,
- 37:31that's true. I mean yeah, but it's just insane. They don't they
- 37:36look? Yeah? Do when people get murdered? Do they? I know
- 37:39this is gonna sound ridiculous. Do they bring in like mediums and like psychics,
- 37:45because that would be like the easiest way to like figure out who killed
- 37:47somebody, but being like okay, like Stan, who killed who killed you?
- 37:52Oh? Gunther, you know what I mean, Like like that would
- 37:55be but I'm gun the But why don't why don't we do that? Yeah?
- 38:00I don't. Yeah, maybe they do. For missing people. There
- 38:04are a lot of psychics and mediums who take advantage of that, like of
- 38:07a missing person and will be like, oh I know where your person,
- 38:12your child is or whatever. But eventually they get they get get caught as
- 38:17phonies, right yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Well I mean have you
- 38:21ever heard of one being right? What if there is only one that's right,
- 38:25like you know, much in demand, they would be in yeah,
- 38:29everybody would want them, But then he would probably know that everybody would want
- 38:34them, so then maybe they wouldn't even tell anybody that they know or they
- 38:42they or maybe they do. They do know, they do have that ability,
- 38:45but they're too busy, like you know, working at foot locker or
- 38:47whatever, too fun missing people. They're too busy. No, but like
- 38:52they don't know that they have that ability because they're too busy, like talk
- 38:57and It's like the episode of Are You for the Dark that we reviewed where
- 39:02they're talking to their coworker Phil and that Phil has been murdered. Oh right,
- 39:07yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think I'm gonna try to
- 39:09be a psychic. It wouldn't be bad. I mean, what's the worst
- 39:13that could happen? Tell I mean, you're a psych tell Us. I
- 39:16don't know. I don't know if there's like a training I can do or
- 39:20something, but I'm thinking about doing it. If Taylor Swift can do it,
- 39:22we should start a psychic training school. You guys probably get people online
- 39:25to sign up totally. Don't leave us a five star review, and let's
- 39:34see what happens. Yeah, there you go. So I have no idea
- 39:37what the fuck is going on? So he went to the principal's house or
- 39:42school or whatever wherever they're at, and now he's blackmailing her for ten thousand
- 39:46dollars. But I guess, oh, but then he goes, you know
- 39:51what, just keep the pictures. Why did he do all that? I
- 39:53mean, they'll probably explain it later, but right now, I can't think
- 39:57of one reason why Matt Wock's assistant down the guy that robbed the art loft.
- 40:02He says, have we met before you broke into the art place?
- 40:05I just want to know why, and the guy goes, I'm just gonna
- 40:07call the cops, which probably would have worked, especially in Atlanta, since
- 40:10the guy who broke in the house is white and Mattlock's assistant's black. He'd
- 40:14be like, hey, there's a black guy bothering me, and then the
- 40:16cops would probably just come and shoot him. So then the guy drives off
- 40:20and the client I think the client's name is Ali, I don't, oh
- 40:25yeah, so I keep yeah, okay. So the bad guy drives off
- 40:30and the client believe, oh Amy, I believe is her name is on
- 40:35her moped and starts chasing the bad guy. And right now I'm like,
- 40:37this is gonna be so fucking good, like moped chasing like a Corvette or
- 40:42whatever. It's like, yes, count me in. Now we're at the
- 40:45politician's office and blackmails herd and Mattlocks arts blackmailing her just like he did to
- 40:52the principal. I see what he's doing. Now, whoever can't pay is
- 40:54probably desperate and killed the guy. She haggles and says three thousand, then
- 41:00five thousand. The matlock says, heard you had a pretty big campaign fund.
- 41:04If you pay the stripper with your campaign funds, she won't talk.
- 41:07Oh wait, that's Trump. What are the odds? I picked this episode
- 41:09right. He's in court right now talking about that. She agrees to ten
- 41:14thousand dollars, but he gives the pictures back for free too. How much
- 41:17all it take for you to misplace these things? Well, I tend to
- 41:23be very organized. Three thousand dollars. You know this would make a very
- 41:30neat poster. Found I was reading about this huge campaign fund you've built up.
- 41:40Ten thousand. That's my limit, ten thousand dollars. Mm hmm.
- 41:52Thanks for being styled on the house. Oh. I don't understand why they
- 42:00gave the bad guy the Corvette car because he didn't drive fast. If he
- 42:05did drive fast, he would have drove too fast for the moped to keep
- 42:07up. Right, So, if you're the director of this, why would
- 42:12you give that prop to the bad guy? Because if you're trying to establish
- 42:15that he's a bad guy, you'd probably make him do some more bad things,
- 42:19like he robbed the place he attacked her. He probably drives fast,
- 42:22but he didn't drive fast. Why not just give him a normal car anyways,
- 42:27and then uh, so Amy chases him down to his business I think,
- 42:30or maybe house. I don't know where anybody lives in that fucking show.
- 42:35And it's the weirdest location of all time for a business. It's hidden
- 42:37away behind like some big brick buildings and stuff and over train tracks and other
- 42:44like dangerous terrain. I don't know why this is a big deal when she's
- 42:47in the place of business. They make it seem like it's part of the
- 42:51plot, but I have no idea why the music changed. Yeah, the
- 42:54music was wild during his episodes. Yeah, but what is it? Because
- 43:00he was a photographer, so maybe they're going like, oh, he's jealous
- 43:02of the original photographer. Maybe he's the killer, right, that's what I
- 43:07That's kind of what I got. And then when he has the black eye
- 43:09that like, I was like, oh, well, he must have gotten
- 43:15in a fight. But then but he's the one who would attack I don't
- 43:17know. I thought Matt Locke's assistant gave him the black eye, yeah,
- 43:22or did he have a black eye before? Who knows because we never seen
- 43:27him before. And I was like, who the fuck is this? And
- 43:31then I still don't know how he was connected to any of them. Same,
- 43:37Yes, well he met the model one I'm assuming. Yeah, Well,
- 43:44okay, so when she is when he's taking pictures, is the model
- 43:46one of the people he's taking pictures of? I don't, I don't.
- 43:51I don't think so. No, I don't think so. Yeah. So
- 43:53they made the music sound like, ah, I caught him, but he
- 43:58was just doing his job. So I don't really know me like the guy
- 44:01who was killed be the killer, yeah or something like that, or like
- 44:07maybe he killed his twins. I don't know, but like because I don't
- 44:09know, it just didn't add to me. Or maybe it's like he's a
- 44:13ghost and he can only give a little bit of information, Like he's also
- 44:16a photographer, but he uses a different lens. Okay, that's helping us,
- 44:22That's okay. So now we're at the model's place of business business and
- 44:25she tries to and then Mattlock tries to blackmail her too, but she isn't
- 44:29having it. This is wrong. I won't be blackmailed anymore. Is that
- 44:35what you told? Randall Brooks? What are you talking about it? I
- 44:39saw a figured it had to be you. Somebody didn't pay Randall Brooks last
- 44:45month. I have a hunch whoever stopped paying him is the same person who
- 44:51killed him. She in court, she supplies Mattlock with the most photoshoped photo
- 45:00of all time. She looks way too big in this photo compared to everybody
- 45:02else, Like maybe she's too close or too large. I don't know,
- 45:06just didn't compute, and Andy said. After that scene, we head back
- 45:09to Mattlocke's house or office. I don't know, but I feel like it's
- 45:13kind of late. I think it's probably his house, it's his office.
- 45:16I think, oh, is it okay? So yeah, yeah, he
- 45:21thought for sure that the model was the killer, but this picture is making
- 45:23him think that he is wrong. And we're back at square one. While
- 45:28Matt Locke and his sistant are talking, Amy sneaks out and loudly closes the
- 45:31door. She snuck back into the robber's place of business or house, the
- 45:38one that is hidden behind train tracks. We see that he is finishing up
- 45:43filming the two models that we saw him take pictures of earlier. The model's
- 45:47leave and we hear a lot of exaggerated size from him as he grabs a
- 45:51beer and sits down, but he sits down on like a staircase instead of
- 45:54like those nice the nice chairs. That's that. I was like, oh,
- 45:58what are you doing? Those are like ah when he sat down down
- 46:01on the comfy thing, why would you sit there? You saw those nice
- 46:04chairs too. Yeah, I don't get it. Yeah, she sneaks into
- 46:07his dark room, which is pretty petty if you think about it. She's
- 46:10like, sneak into my dark room. Huh, how do you like it?
- 46:14Then I wish she attacked him like he attacked her. And then one
- 46:16of the models like comes in and like punches her and saves him, and
- 46:19then she runs off. Anyways, this scene, though, I thought,
- 46:22was really intense when he thought he heard her because she's hiding because she's in
- 46:27the dark room and he walks right past her. Yeah, that seemed a
- 46:29while. It did, and it made me feel like what's gonna happen?
- 46:31I was like getting really intense, and I was like, Oh, is
- 46:34he gonna find her or not? And then I thought maybe he would like
- 46:36find her and then like kidnap her or something, But no, nothing happens.
- 46:39Yeah, yeah, just runs off. Uh. So we'll take a
- 46:44pause here, So we've got a lot of information. So now Matt Locke
- 46:47thinks all three of them have alibis. At this time, I know there's
- 46:52a lot of confusion, But who did you think did it? At this
- 46:54time? I thought maybe that the politician hired him to wear a wig and
- 47:01kill the guy. But I but that was like just a thought that I
- 47:07had in my head. I think that I wasn't really focused on trying to
- 47:12figure it out. I was more like criticizing Amy and when she like is
- 47:20talks about getting addressed earlier on and she's like, I can just steal one,
- 47:24like, yeah, you're just a mess. You're just a mess.
- 47:29Have more of a character than just like a thief. And then also when
- 47:31sidebar, when they are the police probably would have found that the nudy photos
- 47:38when they were investigating. They didn't investigate shit. They didn't investigate the filing
- 47:43cabinet. They didn't look into a place where he keeps his reviews and nudie
- 47:47pics. I guess those are horrible cops. Yeah, I I so I
- 47:54thought this guy was the murderer because they didn't did they ever really establish the
- 48:00it was a female who murdered him. They didn't really say like who the
- 48:05type of suspect they were looking for. Well, at the beginning they said
- 48:08that the baker across the street saw a female go in. Oh yeah,
- 48:13but I was like, maybe they just put a wig on him to try
- 48:15to throw him off, right, But also she lives there, so like
- 48:20why why wouldn't she be there? And she did and she did come back
- 48:25ye right, So like the whole witness thing, like, yeah, he
- 48:30could have easily somebody could have seen her go back because she did go back
- 48:34when she discovered the body. Yeah, exactly. And the mattlog goes,
- 48:37didn't she say? You came in through the back though, And she goes
- 48:38yeah, and he goes with the bakery is up front, so they couldn't
- 48:40have seen you, I guess. Does he wear the same suit like all
- 48:45the time? Yes, because okay, that's like his jam Okay, yeah,
- 48:49So what's he doing with all his money? Do they talk about his
- 48:51personal life a little? Yeah? And you see it there? Uh you
- 48:54see his house His house is pretty nice, I mean for the time period,
- 49:00and he has a nice car. Is he married? No, he's
- 49:06a single single man. Yeah, no kids or anything. He has two
- 49:13daughters okay, yeah, and they they actually come back and are in the
- 49:21future episodes. Again, this is why I'm not a big fan of this
- 49:23episode and why I understand because like usually Tyler his assistant, is more involved,
- 49:31and there's usually really good witty banter between Mattlock and Tyler or Mattlock and
- 49:37his daughter Charlene. Like there's just I'm missing a whole bunch of classic Mattlock
- 49:46tropes, I guess. And then really the only the only gag that you
- 49:51get because it's a really kind of cute and funny show. Uh, because
- 49:54I mean Andy Griffith was kind of a comedian. I guess you would p
- 50:00him in that considering he was in the Andy Griffiths Show. But the only
- 50:05the only gag you really get is the driver's license one, which is great,
- 50:08but usually there are more than that, and there featured more prominently.
- 50:14Yeah, with the as somebody who never saw this before the driver's license storyline,
- 50:21and then him having a reputation for making a lot of money but taking
- 50:25on this young lady's case, and then how he investigated it by blackmailing these
- 50:30three women. He doesn't seem very he's losing it, and maybe he's maybe
- 50:37he used to hide his perversion and now he's like he's unable to hide it
- 50:42because he's kind of maybe losing it, losing it with age. Sure,
- 50:46because yeah, it's it's it's bizarre how he handles things in this episode.
- 50:52Yeah, yeah, No, when he was blackmailing them at first too,
- 50:55I knew that he wasn't going to blackmail them for money, but I thought
- 50:58he was going to blackmail them for answers. And I was like, well,
- 51:00that's not very good, Like that's kind of a fuck that thing to
- 51:02do too. Although he does redeem himself by giving the pictures and the negatives,
- 51:07you know, free to them, but at first, like you're putting
- 51:09him through that, you know, And I see why he did it,
- 51:12but it still seems a little he Yeah, he did something nice by giving
- 51:15them the negatives and the photos and not charging them, but he still put
- 51:19them through additional trauma. Yeah, so I thought that was a little a
- 51:22little fooked. Yeah, for sure. And I can totally see where you're
- 51:25coming from Ria about like not having all the dialogue with Tyler and all the
- 51:29little jokes, because that kind of expands the universe more. And so once
- 51:32you expand the universe, more you get a better idea of who Mattlocke is.
- 51:36But without all of that, you're just like, Okay, well he
- 51:39seems like a kind of like a crotchety, mean old man, Like why
- 51:43are we kind of rooting for him? And then he but he's doing it
- 51:45for pro bono, so you are rooting for him, of course. But
- 51:47yeah, no, I think you're right. I think if they did expand
- 51:50on the universe more on this episode, it would have been better, for
- 51:52sure. Yeah. Yeah. Throughout this whole episode, I was just like,
- 51:55especially this one, because all the evidence that she steals in him blackmailing
- 52:00everybody, I was like, well, none of this evidence would be admissible
- 52:05in court, Yeah for sure, So yeah, exactly. Okay, So
- 52:09luckily Amy knew those pictures were photoshopped and stole the real negative so they could
- 52:15prove that they were fake. But I don't really feel like it was necessary
- 52:20to find those negatives because that picture looks fake as shit. Yes, So
- 52:22I don't know, like a jury that'd be like, oh this might well,
- 52:25I guess in the eighties, I don't know how easy it was to
- 52:30do stuff like that, so maybe, but I don't know. I feel
- 52:32like yeah, I don't know. And then two, how did she know
- 52:37that that photographer was dating the model? Where would she even know to look
- 52:39for that? Right? So I don't know. Oh so now they're at
- 52:45court and he's trying to prove that the model is the killer, and I
- 52:47feel like he's doing way too much. Like, just prove that your client
- 52:51isn't the murderer, right he fails to make Yeah, because if he fails
- 52:54to make her look like the murderer, the jury are going to have doubts
- 52:58about him. Now, like you on this one, how can we trust
- 53:02you that this person isn't the murderer? So, like, just focus on
- 53:05your client and then maybe go about this later, right, Because like she
- 53:07when she brings him the negatives, he says, she's like, well,
- 53:12see we have proof now, And he said, well, like you need
- 53:14in a court of law, you need to prove that the person actually committed
- 53:16the crime. And I wrote in my notes, I'm like, for her
- 53:21defense, all he needs to do is create a reasonable doubt that she committed
- 53:24the crime. He doesn't need to find the killer. That's not his job.
- 53:29Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So you're doing too much, man,
- 53:30Just kind of chill out focus on your client and then maybe tell someone else,
- 53:35like, hey, I think this person killed him. You know,
- 53:37yeah, I don't know. Uh. It turns out the photographer is dating
- 53:39the model, which is new information to us. Or maybe it isn't.
- 53:43Maybe I missed that somewhere. I'm not a hunt sure, but we find
- 53:47out that we find out that he is dating her. You know a model
- 53:52named Whitney Seever, I've heard the name. I answer the question, do
- 53:57you know Whitney c Yes? Uh, you and uh Whitney Siver are having
- 54:04a relationship. Isn't it true? Objection? The details of mister Jacob's personal
- 54:08life have no bearing on these proceedings, So I guess that's why he broke
- 54:12into the art gallery. But what was he originally looking for? Was he
- 54:15looking for those naked pictures? I think it's just weird that, like she
- 54:22goes, hey, you know, I'm glad that we're dating. This is
- 54:25really cool. Hey, this guy's in blackmailing me. I didn't pay him
- 54:29last month. Maybe we should kill him and take the pictures or something like.
- 54:30I don't know. This seems a little gypsy Rose. Don't know who
- 54:37that is? That woman the girl who was like made to believe that she
- 54:42had issues, like health issues. He was on Netflix. Yeah, and
- 54:45then she convinced a guy to kill her mom. You know it's funny.
- 54:49I know that name because Kathy just watched that show like a month ago,
- 54:52so I knew it was a person, but I didn't know like what they
- 54:53were. So okay, So this is like Gypsy Rose's origin story. Yeah,
- 54:58Matt Lock. People kill people like way too often. Yeah, but
- 55:06like not a lot, I would say. I was literally driving home and
- 55:08I was thinking, like, a lot of people get murdered, but like
- 55:12not as many as they I feel like, you think a lot more people
- 55:15would get murdered for how like angry everybody is, Like, I don't know,
- 55:21it just blows my mind. I was like, Lily, there's not
- 55:22more murders here because everybody seems really pissed off. I'm glad that it's not
- 55:25five to ten years because that if we make it, there's probably a lot
- 55:30more murders. Yeah. I think in Canada, I think twenty five years
- 55:32is the max for a murder. Jesus wow. But they don't have people
- 55:37murdering people like crazy there, so I don't know. So it turns out,
- 55:40Okay, Mattlock proves that the picture of the model or Matlock proves that
- 55:45the picture the model gave him earlier to prove that she is at the club
- 55:50is false because the shadows don't match. But also the photo just looks fake
- 55:54as shit. And not only that, Mattlock also tells everyone that she is
- 56:00been blackmailed by naked or from naked pictures. So now we have a motive.
- 56:04And he calls her new employer and asks how much she makes and they're
- 56:07like, ah, probably three hundred thousand, which is fucking crazy to me.
- 56:12Could you imagine if I just called your work right now, Jeff,
- 56:14and I was like, Hey, how much money does Jeff making? And
- 56:15they're like, oh, I you know, three hundred thousand. Uh So,
- 56:17the final dagger for matt Locke to prove his client's innocence is by proving
- 56:22that the model is the killer. He had enlarged the role of film that
- 56:25the cops had. We see the crime scene before the murder, and she
- 56:30is the one in black nailed it. Anyways, when we see the lady
- 56:35leaning over that had bought the dead body, there's a single earring on the
- 56:38ground, and then later there isn't an earring on the ground, and it
- 56:42turns out that's the same air and earring that the model had on that night.
- 56:45Uh. And by the way, they just like really, they keep
- 56:47showing this dead body to everybody dead body, Like fine, show them up.
- 56:53You know what I think. I think you lost your earring and your
- 56:58struggle with Randall Brooks, and when Amy Adler entered the loft, it hid
- 57:07and you had to wait till she left to pick up your earring. You
- 57:12were in the loft after Amy left, weren't you? And you did kill
- 57:20Randall Brooks, didn't you? No further questions I finished. The model just
- 57:30been like, nah, it's yeah, that's my ear ring. But I
- 57:32was at that party. There's so much such if she yeah, she could
- 57:37have just been like, that's not me in the picture and you'd be like,
- 57:39oh but what yeah yeah, or like the yes, that's my earring.
- 57:44That thief who saw the dead body of her boss boyfriend guy and stole
- 57:50his cameras probably stole my earring too. It's a nice earring. I'm a
- 57:54model that makes here in two thousand, year and eighty five, which is
- 57:57you know, like almost a million dollars. But then so she could have
- 58:00just been like, no, I don't know anything about a blackmail. Are
- 58:02you the one blackmailing me? Why do you have pictures of me naked?
- 58:07There's a lot of shit I feel like she could have done to get out
- 58:08of this. Yeah, Block probably should have told the cops about the nude
- 58:13pictures. That's what he says. He goes, I can tell them if
- 58:15I show everybody. That's why if you get arrested, everybody, don't say
- 58:19a fucking word ever, don't say anything to anybody. Just wait until your
- 58:22lyric gets there. Well, and then the prosecution or what wait the prosecution.
- 58:27Yeah, the prosecution was sounding a lot like the defense attorney for the
- 58:31model. Yes, and they objected three times, and every single time the
- 58:37judge is like, now we're gonna hook up Matt Locke. But then they
- 58:38were trying to make it seem like the prosecutor was a bad guy, and
- 58:42he's like, look, I'm just trying to find this person's Yeah, yeah,
- 58:45I'm sorry I got assigned to this case. It's not like I have
- 58:49a big stake in it, but somebody killed this person. The prosecution guy,
- 58:57I'm like, pretty confident is Caliber in Halloween Town and Halloweentown two,
- 59:02Calibar's Calibar Calamari. Yeah, I haven't seen I saw him a long time
- 59:10ago. Oh there are right. You were so funny the mom in Halloween
- 59:15Town, not Wie Roynds as the grandma, the mom in it. She
- 59:19played April from Ninjas Hurtles, like the first one or maybe the second one
- 59:22of the live action Turtles really from like eighty nine. Ye yeah, oh
- 59:27wow. She goes to conventions and it's to promote, you know, to
- 59:32the nostalgia for Turtles, but also for Halloween Town. I'm like, you
- 59:36weren't good in Halloween Town. Yeah, you were the sour puss, like
- 59:39like, you know, unfun mom. So she's like the prosecutor of Matt
- 59:44Locke for Halloween Town. Yeah. It's like people go to those conventions like
- 59:49for random ass roles they do. Yeah, Amy Joe Johnsons I heard no,
- 59:53No, that's Kimberly j. Brown is Halloween Town and Halloween Town two.
- 1:00:00Anyways, And then I got in trouble patrolling her on Instagram. But
- 1:00:02I'm turning over a new leaf because I'm not going to control people anymore.
- 1:00:06On Instagram or Facebook or Twitter or TikTok. Oh, that's gonna be tough.
- 1:00:09Yeah you can do it. No I can't. No, I'm gonna
- 1:00:13be a good person. Now. No, that's I'm like, you can
- 1:00:15do it by not do it like I can. You can control yeah yeah,
- 1:00:20yeah, I'm rising above. Or I'm gonna like have like a fake
- 1:00:23account and do it on that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, So hows
- 1:00:29everybody feel about the wrap up of this episode? Again, it wasn't great.
- 1:00:34I really I really like in the later episodes, like the courtroom scenes
- 1:00:38are really great because he usually he has a he has a monologue where he
- 1:00:42just goes, you know, off and like really proves it. And it's
- 1:00:49funny because there's a he would just memorize those monologues and just keep going and
- 1:00:55they would just film them and not he wouldn't take breaks. But yeah,
- 1:01:01this was overall not a great definitely not a great Mattlock episode. I actually
- 1:01:08had more fun watching this one than that first one I did. And I
- 1:01:10think it's just because I like the whole who done it aspect of it,
- 1:01:14because it's you know, like those murder mystery dinners, Like it's always like,
- 1:01:16oh, what's their motive? Like, I had a lot of fun
- 1:01:19watching this because then I was like, Okay, I think it's the person
- 1:01:22in black, but no, that's a little too convenient. Why would they
- 1:01:25do that? Okay, maybe not, you know. And then and then
- 1:01:28the dialogue between matt Lock and the model. At first I was like,
- 1:01:30there's no way she murdered him, you know what I mean. Like,
- 1:01:32so I had a lot of fun with this episode. There's I just felt
- 1:01:36like there's too many holes overall. Yeah, for the episode, but it's
- 1:01:39it was still a fun time though, And I should have said this at
- 1:01:43the beginning. So if you do want to watch this episode, if you
- 1:01:45google it, it's like episode twenty two. If you watch it on two
- 1:01:51B, it's episode twenty one or something, and then if you go to
- 1:01:53IMDb, it's episode twenty three, but it's called The Photographer. Yeah.
- 1:01:59I thought when I was watching this show, I thought I saw instances when
- 1:02:04typically we would have like a computer nearby, Like when he's at the DMV,
- 1:02:07they have a computer when he's you know, it's just like, how
- 1:02:13did society work without computer? So much paper, so much, so much.
- 1:02:17The ending was so adorable when he was throughout the show trying to like
- 1:02:22have her not commit crimes, but actually throughout the episode she's committing crimes.
- 1:02:27Yeah, she broke into the photographer's apartment twice, and yeah, just did
- 1:02:31a bunch of crimes. And then he tries to get he talked, like
- 1:02:35makes a quiff quiff up quip, makes a quip up equip about uh changing
- 1:02:43the license. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I thought that was like weird.
- 1:02:47That's like making a joke about like an alcoholic, Like she's gone through
- 1:02:53a bunch of stuff and she's obviously had to pass. She's like a juvenile
- 1:02:58criminal, you know. At one point he's like, so, how'd you
- 1:03:00learn how to do that? And she goes, you don't want to know,
- 1:03:02So probably something pretty bad if she doesn't want to talk about it,
- 1:03:06you know, especially with the person that's trying to save your life. I
- 1:03:08did like the dynamic together, though I wish that he would have hired I
- 1:03:12don't Maybe he does, I don't know, but I wish he would have
- 1:03:14hired her and worked it for him as well. Oh like a doctor who
- 1:03:16kind of thing where he doesn't seen doctor who. Everybody, Yeah, that's
- 1:03:22funny. I doesn't say something else, but I forgot. What do you,
- 1:03:30uh Rea like like about the show in general? Is it like purely
- 1:03:35like more like nostalgia or do you still like like what? What? What
- 1:03:39draws you to it? I really enjoy sort of the who done it aspect
- 1:03:45of it and the and how he finds them, how he finds out who
- 1:03:51the killer is. I really like so after Tyler leaves, he gets Conrad,
- 1:04:00and that's who I met. Was Conrad on the episode we did?
- 1:04:02Yeah? Yeah, And I prefer Conrad a lot more. I just like
- 1:04:06him. He's a more developed character, I think in my mind, and
- 1:04:14I just really like he's really funny. He provides a lot of comedic relief,
- 1:04:18and they get along really well and have really good banters. So I
- 1:04:21like that aspect of it. I really like he is kind of a crotchety
- 1:04:25old man, and I really like that as well. Like in most episodes,
- 1:04:29especially in the later seasons, you'll hear he's always like jackass, Like
- 1:04:32he always calls everybody a jackass, and he's just he is vain. Like
- 1:04:38this whole driver's license thing plays on this idea of like him being really vain
- 1:04:44about his appearance and he's he is like that in a lot of the episodes
- 1:04:47too. He's just like very concerned with his money and like he's like a
- 1:04:54whole dollar for like a hot dog, Like, oh my god, I
- 1:04:57can't imagine paying that, even though he's a multi millionaire I assume, you
- 1:05:03know, being the top lawyer in Atlanta. Yeah, so I just really
- 1:05:08like, I think he's really funny, I guess, because that's like how
- 1:05:12I am. Now. I'm a crotchety old man who would but I would
- 1:05:15just love to get away with calling people jackass. Yeah. Well, I
- 1:05:21think it shows something to Andy Griffith just in general. Because this had nine
- 1:05:26seasons and then The Andy Griffith Show had eight seasons. That's seventeen years of
- 1:05:32being on TV. That's a long freaking time. And then if you think
- 1:05:36about it, each season had like twenty episodes of both shows a lot.
- 1:05:41That's a lot of fucking episodes. That's a lot of time to be on
- 1:05:44the air, from like nineteen sixty to you know, nineteen ninety five,
- 1:05:46So the show was on for for both of his shows started in like sixties
- 1:05:50and then ended in the nineties. So for those thirty years he was on
- 1:05:54more than half the time of TV. That's insane. That's crazy. And
- 1:05:58that's not even including all like you know, all those guest appearances or other
- 1:06:00shows. You know, that's insane. Yeah. So no, he was
- 1:06:03very fun to watch. I think he's a good actor, Like I like,
- 1:06:05he's great. Yeah, yeah, I'm ambivalent. Yeah, I think
- 1:06:13we should watch one of like a really good Mattlock episode. I'll find one
- 1:06:17that has like all of the elements that I love watch that. This was.
- 1:06:25I enjoyed it. I was like, I'm gonna I'll watch more of
- 1:06:28that. Yeah, I would definitely watch this. Yeah, I wish it
- 1:06:30was not as good, just because I think our episode when something's really cheesy
- 1:06:33or bad is a little bit funnier. But overall, I really it's a
- 1:06:36good show like this. Yeah, i'd give it a Matt Loke out of
- 1:06:40a Matt Locke. Oh nice. I don't know what I would rate this
- 1:06:44out of, like out of ten, I would say probably like a seven
- 1:06:49out of Like, I'll watch it. I don't really watch many things.
- 1:06:53I don't know what I do when I'm not like at work or sleeping,
- 1:06:57But but yeah, I would watch this again. So it's at least a
- 1:07:00seven or an eight. Yeah, I give I give it a six out
- 1:07:01of seven. Technically nice, Yeah, and I think he's a try and
- 1:07:08totally attractive. Yeah, I feel like he's obtainable. Not now I think
- 1:07:13he's probably dead, right, he's dead twenty twelve Yeah, long oh ship
- 1:07:17twenty twelve. Yeah. Eight, that at eighty six, that was like
- 1:07:20when the world was going to end. At least his dead. Oh maybe
- 1:07:24they just saw Andy Griffin. Yeah, what about you? Yeah, what'd
- 1:07:30you read? On a scale of one to five Matlocks, I would probably
- 1:07:34say this is probably a two. This was an okay episode, but it
- 1:07:41just was not for me, a classic Matlock episode. What about just TV
- 1:07:46in general? Then TV in general, I would say it's probably a seven
- 1:07:51out of ten. Okay, who was a better attorney? Perry Mason or
- 1:07:57Matt Lock. They're so diff they're so different. Alie asked me this too,
- 1:08:03and I was just like, I don't think that I could. So
- 1:08:10they're just different. They're just different. Like Perry Mason was very straight laced
- 1:08:14and like, we're going to get to the bottom of this, whereas Mattlock
- 1:08:18is just a very different crotchet is. Perry is Perry Mason, a defense
- 1:08:27attorney. So who would you want defending you? Ooh mh. I'm gonna
- 1:08:39say, you're running from the cops and you have a you have a courthouse
- 1:08:44to go to. Are you're running to his to bake him for for advice
- 1:08:49or representation? I'm gonna go I have to go with the O G.
- 1:08:54I have to go with Perry. Yeah, yeah, that's tough. I
- 1:08:58think I might go with it's Andy Griffith just because I also am a big
- 1:09:02fan of hot dogs. I would go with Perry Mason because it was black
- 1:09:08and white back then, and I just I feel like that's some more sophisticated
- 1:09:12and Perry the other guy, Mattlock, seems like he is he's got a
- 1:09:15couple of marbles loose. Yeah, he does have a couple of marbles loose,
- 1:09:18but it's that's what makes him Mattlock. Yeah. So I just looked
- 1:09:24up loke in Urban Dictionary. There's two meanings. Loke means loke like loco,
- 1:09:28like crazy. That's like the slang, but it also means lots of
- 1:09:30cock, depending how you're using it. So, yeah, that's that's funny.
- 1:09:35Looak, Like I how would you use that like I need some loake.
- 1:09:40Uh, that guy has loke, has lots of cock. I guess
- 1:09:45I don't know. Yeah, that's weird. So this was filmed in North
- 1:09:51Carolina, Uh, which is weird. I just bought a document from seventeen
- 1:10:00ninety four and I was really pumped and I was like, oh cool.
- 1:10:02And so I was looking at it and I looked up the guy and I
- 1:10:03was like, Oh, he's from North Carolina, so he's probably like really
- 1:10:06into slavery. I amn't. I have like a bias. I think,
- 1:10:13like I really don't like states that are like north and south, like South
- 1:10:18Carolina North Carolina, I don't. I also don't like West Virginia Virginia because
- 1:10:24it should be East Virginia, right. So I just don't like any of
- 1:10:27that mess that come up with your own. Do you think they should be
- 1:10:29one state or do you think they should have two different names? Now?
- 1:10:31If you were in control right now, oh you do well, technically,
- 1:10:34I would say they should be one state, because I think you should have
- 1:10:39if you have two senators for each state, it should be based on population
- 1:10:42and not statehood. But I understand like the racist of the country like it,
- 1:10:45you know, that way. But I think from a creative standpoint,
- 1:10:50I would want to know what those other names would be, Yeah, like
- 1:10:54North Carolina, South Carolina. What if one of them's like Jeff Carolina or
- 1:10:58something like or a word that we don't know yet, like like I don't
- 1:11:02know what that means. But if one of them was Dakota Johnson and the
- 1:11:06other one was Dakota Fanning, so you wouldn't want to live there. No,
- 1:11:12No, I'm Dakota Johnson just because of Don Johnson Melanie Griffith. But
- 1:11:15I cannot stand the Fanny is she is she their kid? Yeah? She
- 1:11:20is? Yeah? Yeah, not make Ryan Melanie Griffith and John Johnson had
- 1:11:28Dakota Johnson. She's a nobody in my opinion, But oh shit, I'm
- 1:11:31not supposed to do that. Well, Like, what has she been in
- 1:11:34that's good? I don't know. I guess that News Spider Madame Webb is
- 1:11:39pretty bad. Yeah, but like no one's ever like, oh, I
- 1:11:41have to go see the new Dakota Johnson movie. No one ever says that
- 1:11:43she was very good in Peanut Butter Falcon. I don't like, I don't
- 1:11:48know, but I like, like, I don't I think she's talented.
- 1:11:51I don't know, I don't know. No, I'm I'm being positive nowadays.
- 1:11:56But I cannot stand the Fannings. And that's that's where I get my
- 1:11:59card. Like I want to toss them off, toss them. I can't.
- 1:12:02They're not lead material. No, no, they were fine. It's
- 1:12:05like the screaming girl like in the whatever. What's the Denzel Washington who has
- 1:12:11like the symmetry thing going on anyways, man on fire or something like that.
- 1:12:15Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he has like perfect symmetry. His
- 1:12:18like face does like scientifically or something. He is fucking fine. Yeah,
- 1:12:24Denzel's dope, and I want him to be my attorney. Yeah all right,
- 1:12:28okay, I see what you did there? There we go. Uh.
- 1:12:32I always tell people, if you ever have to give a speech,
- 1:12:34just think of like being Denzel Washington because he's like the coolest motherfucker ever.
- 1:12:39So just think of like being up there giving your speech and just being coolest
- 1:12:43ship. And then it like helps me when I have to like do public
- 1:12:45speaking. I'm like, how Denzel do this? And I'm like, all
- 1:12:47right, okay, I'm gonna do that every every time in my life.
- 1:12:51When they're like seven eleven or something. I'll just I got Denzel the Ship.
- 1:12:56Yeah yeah, I love that so much. Alright, well, somebody
- 1:13:00have any final thoughts on Matt Walk before we get the fuck out of Yeah?
- 1:13:02It was locking yeah, yeah right, yeah, locked up. We
- 1:13:05got this episode locked up. Yeah, I'm standing, I'm standing on a
- 1:13:09Matt kind of or yeah. All right, all right, that's it.
- 1:13:15Yeah, I can't think. Do you have anything to promote or whatever?
- 1:13:17I don't need to say the war whatever part. No, not really,
- 1:13:23We're about to start recording. I know I keep saying this. We're about
- 1:13:26to start recording Average season two. I have a really cool premise for this
- 1:13:29whole season, but I got to run it through with everybody. But just
- 1:13:31listen to Averager season one to get ready for it and be prepared for Average
- 1:13:35season two. Nice. If you all want to look at pictures of my
- 1:13:39dog, Gus Gus Guscus underscore the Dog on Instagram and I'm all sell pictures
- 1:13:45of him for five thousand dollars apiece, monthly, monthly, monthly install monthly
- 1:13:48installments, and they're nude pictures of him. Most of them are nude.
- 1:13:54Yeah, anyway, do you have anything to like chat about, of course,
- 1:13:59not I have no life and no I haven't. Oh my god,
- 1:14:05that's what I'm gonna do after this episode. Yeah cool, all right and
- 1:14:10nos als the nerds Well Court has been adjourned. I'm Andy Griffith, I'm
- 1:14:15Jeff, and I'm Maria. Until now, lot of your time. I'm
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