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Ray O’Leary: Wonka, Have You Been Paying Attention? & NZ Comedy | TalkBox Ep. 41 · Rich Fulcher's TalkBox

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  Yeah, hi, that was a race car. My next guest here on Talk Box
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  is Ray O'Leary. If you haven't heard of him,
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  you're a dummy because he's a New Zealand comic and he's
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  taking the continent by storm. He's in the UK and he's touring
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  for a month, so check him out. We have a little discussion.
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  He's a philosophy guy, very smart, very smart.
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  So let's have a little look, see and don't forget.
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  Press like and subscribe, because that's how it works,
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  baby. Scrub.
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  Scrub. Do you see what I see?
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  Oh, excuse Ray. Ray, how are you doing?
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  Good to see you. Did you just get off the plane?
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  Yeah, no, yeah, I just got here. I've been here about about a
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  week. It's.
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  OK, have a seat. It's so good to see you.
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  Oh my gosh, I'm very excited. Oh, I can't.
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  I'm very excited to be here. This is as excited as I can
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  express, but I am excited. Well, I'm glad because I'm
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  excited. Oh yeah, that's good.
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  We're bringing similar, similar energies.
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  That's good. Welcome to England.
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  Of you. Thank you.
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  No, no one said that to me yet. So have you?
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  Done a podcast yet? Since you were here.
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  I I've done 2. So God damn it.
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  So that's probably why I thought we were an exclusive.
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  No, sorry, but but the good news is, you know, I'm well trained
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  now, so the riffs are going to be coming.
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  Oh, good, good. Thick and fast this.
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  Is going to be the funniest one. Yeah, for sure.
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  That's right. Or the tank is completely
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  depleted and I've got nothing left.
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  I'm so glad you got the bombs out of your system.
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  Have you gigged at all yet? I since you've been here, I
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  have, I have. I've performed in Manchester and
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  Leicester for your tour. For my tour, yes.
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  Yes. Now, what's your tour?
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  That's an exclusive as well, people don't know that, but I've
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  performed in Manchester and Leicester.
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  And. The tour is called Laughter.
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  I hardly know her. See, that's the play on words.
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  No experts true. I play on words.
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  No, you've been you've been in the business a while.
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  You have a spot that so I appreciate that.
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  Thank you. Did that just come to you like
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  this is my tour or it wasn't like I've almost I've almost got
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  a name. I just got a workshop it a
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  little. More Yeah, it was a labour of
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  love. It was many frenzied nights
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  thinking of what to call the show.
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  I have. I don't know about your yourself
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  Rich, but I do have I do try to keep like a list of potential
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  names for for shows. I do too.
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  I have a book. And, and most are, most are
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  dreadful, but yeah, this one, this one had been in the yeah,
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  it was the, the this this name, the one I'm using for the UK was
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  either this one or the other option, which was the one I'm
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  now doing in Australia. Once I return after after doing
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  the United Kingdom, so was I. So, so was Yeah.
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  So this was called laughter. I hardly know her.
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  And then the next show is called.
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  I can see O'Leary now the ray has gone.
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  Oh, that's good. Those are both good.
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  Thank you so much. Oh, thank you very much.
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  What's so satisfying as a comedian is not to hear a laugh,
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  but to hear an acknowledgement that an A polite clap.
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  Clap, golf clap. That's that's what I'm after.
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  There's like the claps and the the just the audience
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  understanding that what I've seen is vaguely amusing but not
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  not enough to actually warrant verbal agreement.
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  Now, how long is your tour here The.
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  UK it's about a month I believe. A month.
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  A month A. Power packed month of shows.
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  A power packed month of shows. Well done.
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  Thank you so much. Yes.
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  And then you just go off to Australia.
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  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I have a system where I begin
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  working on my 2026 show in Australia.
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  So I was just in Perth doing the Fringe Festival there and then I
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  flew. You get all the badge shows out.
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  Of Australia, I get all the badge shows out of Australia, I
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  get all the duds. I did a lot of podcasts there
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  preparing for this one. I've been doing just I've been
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  doing nothing but. It's all leading up.
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  To this, yeah, this is so this is this is the the best I
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  possibly can be. This is the peak.
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  So you are just for audiences? You're from New Zealand,
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  correct? Wellington.
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  No. But should I close guess that
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  you you can guess that again if you want, but it'll still no,
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  it's still wrong. Oh, OK.
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  You're from Wellington? No, no.
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  OK. Right.
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  No. But I am from New Zealand, OK,
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  not Wellington. Where?
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  Whereabouts? I mean, you know, close to
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  Wellington. We might not know it.
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  Yeah, no, you won't, you. Won't.
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  Are you afraid of getting doxed? Yeah, I'm afraid.
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  I'm afraid if I give the vague metropolitan area, you know
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  these people, they'll help. No, but I love names.
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  You love names, Ray O'Leary. Yeah, Ray O'Leary.
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  You live in Ray O'Leary. Yeah, PL Trevors, there's a name
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  or PT Trevors, I think. Yeah, she did.
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  She write Mary Poppins, I think. Oh wow, so that's just a name
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  you might like. No, I mean where, where do you?
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  Where are you from? From a town called Wanganui or
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  Fonganui, depending on which part of New Zealand you're from.
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  OK, but it's, yeah, it's had about about 40,000 people lived
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  there. That's so that's where I was.
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  Born. Thank you so much.
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  Thank you. I was happy with it.
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  There was, there was enough. And yeah, so I lived there,
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  yeah. Primary, secondary school.
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  And then. But I started doing comedy in
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  Wellington, New Zealand. No, I gigged there.
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  Wanganui. No, in Wellington.
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  I will say Mark Twains gigged in Wanganui.
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  Really. It was a while ago.
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  Yeah, but he has. Well, he did.
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  He gave a lecture. He did some.
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  No, I think it was a it was a comedy performance and or maybe
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  he read out, you know, an excerpt from a book.
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  He. Was a funny guy.
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  He was, he was a he was a funny guy.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's an award named
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  after him now. I was reading something about
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  him where he would memorise his speech by and I I use this
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  sometimes like a certain section of the speech was like he'd
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  picture his house. So the foyer is one part of the
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  speech, the dining room is another part of the speech.
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  Did he, Did he? Because I have met, I, I met a
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  guy once who had won like a memory championship or
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  something. You know, they have competitions
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  for for people who can remember. And I believe that's like the
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  common strategy for the for the winners as they have a memory
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  palace, you know, and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So if you need to remember, you know, yeah, the ace of hearts or
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  whatever, then it's like, Oh yeah, the bed was made out of
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  aces of hearts and. Yeah.
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  So they have this huge memory palace.
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  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy yeah.
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  Must be nice. I've got a memory apart.
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  Can't remember I I have a memory shack.
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  I have a memory toilet. Memory.
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  We're keeping. See, This is why.
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  This is why I got the bombs out of the way, so I could come up
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  with this hot real estate gear about memory.
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  Memory tanks. But yeah, that yes.
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  And Mark Twain did perform in Wanganui and because there's
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  reviews of his performance which was that the crowd didn't like
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  him because he did not laugh at his own jokes so they couldn't
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  tell when it was meant to be funny.
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  See, this is a a thing about some people don't like it when
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  comics laugh at their own jokes. Yes.
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  Do you like that you don't do it?
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  No, I, I don't. Well, I don't find myself here.
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  I'm not very good. So it's very easy to know and
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  I've heard a lot of the material.
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  Before there are some comics like Bill Maher for example,
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  laughs at his own jokes and some people go why are you laughing
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  at your own joke? Yes, and I think.
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  I'm sorry it wasn't. You it's no, it's it's not, but
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  I've. Emphasised.
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  It's not the burp that I have an issue with is that you laughed
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  at your own That's that's I just said I hate this feels very.
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  Rude. I shouldn't have done.
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  That the you can burp in my face all you like, but the laughing.
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  The laughing is what I Sorry. No, no, it's OK.
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  It's OK. You won't tonight.
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  Apart from the fact that I had just hit.
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  But yeah, Dave Chappelle, I think, is the classic.
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  And not only does he laugh, but he finds himself so amusing he
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  is rendered almost immobile and he has to bend over and, and
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  then slap the microphone against his knee, which I've.
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  Yeah, I I've never, yes, I've never done on stage.
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  Well, it does help the audience. Yes, it is.
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  He would crush and walk into if he, if he ever needed to
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  perform, to perform to Yeah, I mean, I, yeah.
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  But I gigged in Wellington. Wellington.
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  Oh, did you do the New Zealand Comedy Festival?
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  Yes. Oh wow, yeah, holy moly, they'd
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  love to have you back. Well, I would love to be back.
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  Oh well yeah, well, I I reckon, I reckon the hold up is on your
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  side I reckon really because the festival happens every year so I
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  reckon. OK, well, I.
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  Well, yeah, they've not been waiting.
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  Oh yeah, sadly, they've not been waiting for you.
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  But. But if you wanted to do it
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  again, they'd love to have you. Back, but I remember we were at
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  the bat. Yes.
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  Yeah, Yeah, I've done many. Yeah.
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  My first ever show was well, my first ever solo show was at
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  bats. Yeah, we.
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  Were at bats and we had an opening ceremony.
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  I remember a Maori ceremony. Oh.
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  Really. You had a porfity?
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  Yes, yes. Yeah, which was great.
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  Yeah, so they welcomed you onto the like land or the the venue
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  and stuff? Yeah, how many festivals do
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  that? Well, definitely none outside of
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  New Zealand. Yeah, I would say it's it's
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  pretty rare. It's also even rare.
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  I mean, yeah, it's AI think that's the one thing that New
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  Zealand because New Zealand doesn't.
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  The comedy pistols don't tend to have a lot of money, but they do
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  make up for I think in a cultural experiences for good.
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  Yes, yeah. So in New Zealand, yeah, the
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  Maori people, they have a traditional porphyty, which is a
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  yeah, welcoming ceremony. They normally do it on 2.
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  Touch noses. Yes a hongi, yes a holy moly.
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  I feel like I'm talking to a local.
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  This is great. I've I've been in the UKA week
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  but I feel like I'm back home and you're back.
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  Oh my God this is amazing. I'm going to do a haka.
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  That would be very insensitive. Oh, sorry, so.
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  No, I'm I'm sure they, they would have.
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  I'm sure I'm, I'm giving it the OK, I'm giving it the I'm not.
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  I'm not mouldy at all, but I reckon go for God.
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  Another thing we did, another thing we did was we went AB
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  sailing down a cave. Holy moly, we.
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  Did this whole trip and then they shot a gun inside The Cave.
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  It caused the there were like caterpillars stuck to the walls.
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  So this wasn't lit up. I was going to ask, was this
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  Ytomo Caves, which is where the where the glow worms are?
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  Yeah. And somebody in the middle, oh,
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  Bill Bailey had a had a asthma attack right in the middle of
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  it. No, that's probably the worst
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  part. But he recovered.
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  But I I think it was when we were watching the glow worms.
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  He relaxed and. But it was such a cool.
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  The whole thing was just a cool experience.
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  I mean, yes, we performed and it was great, but that's what, you
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  know, they delivered. Because the the white Homo
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  caves, I've actually never done it, but you I believe there's a
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  section where do you lie on your back and The Cave wall or The
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  Cave ceiling is basically just right there like you're kind of
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  like you're not that far from the glow worms you.
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  Can practically lick the glow. Worms.
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  And they tell you you can't, but you know no one's watching.
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  Oh. I I don't know about you, but
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  have you I when I watched The Lion King, the animated film, I
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  they is. There a live Lion King.
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  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  There actually is. There is.
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  There is, yeah. Oh, like Jungle Book, like that?
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Like the live Jungle Book, not the animated Jungle Book.
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  Yeah, but there's an animated Lion King film and the the
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  section we had Timon and Pumbaa shows Simba that you can just
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  eat grubs and and just as a child is remember always
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  thinking those bugs look so delicious.
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  So I could only imagine what it tastes like to eat a glow worm
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  and this could they all be. I'm trying to think like, well,
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  because they're a bit electricy, wouldn't like they'll be a bit
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  tangy. Buzzy.
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  Yeah. Buzzy.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you do?
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  You come to New Zealand. What?
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  This was in the late 90s. Yeah, that makes sense because I
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  was just trying to. Because they don't do that
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  anymore. They took yeah, after Bill
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  Bailey died in the Waitomo caves.
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  No, he didn't die. He didn't.
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  What? Are you sure he's alive?
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  He was replaced by a look and sound alike, much like Avril
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  Lavigne. Paul McCartney.
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  You think they're dead as well? No, I don't think.
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  I hope. And then you moved or you stayed
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  in New Zealand. For a while I stayed in New
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  Zealand, so then I moved to Wellington and I attended
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  Victoria University of Wellington.
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  I've heard of that. Yes, yes, yeah.
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  So I, and so I was studying philosophy there, yes.
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  And then I started doing comedy in Wellington and.
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  While you were at uni. No, I had just maybe it had been
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  a year since uni. Definitely while I was in my
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  final year of uni. I was starting to like maintain
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  a notebook of ideas of like joke premises.
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  And things you were gonna make a break.
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  I knew when you. Started looking at the jobs that
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  were available. I mean, basically, yeah.
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  Like I got my, I got my, you know, I was like, they're not
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  going to get me to pull for the guys in Tibet's theatre.
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  I'm not going to be I'm not going to be rich vultures been
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  and gone. I've I've missed I've missed the
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  but. The philosophy you have to
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  think. I mean you would think.
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  I would hire you just for your ability to think problems,
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  problem solving, philosophical problems at the bank.
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  You know what? You.
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  Know what I mean? I think people get too stuck
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  into like what your degree is. Yes, yes, I do.
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  I I, I do think I do agree that like philosophy, it does have a
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  bad rap, given that, yeah, like we don't live in ancient Greece
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  anymore and there's not, you know, philosophers roaming about
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  and. They don't have your bits
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  hanging around. You know, yeah, God, it used to
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  be so good. Used to, but then the woke and
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  stuff. But anyway, I don't have times.
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  Those were the days. But but philosophy, yeah, I
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  think it's a particularly good subject to study, and a lot
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  better, I would argue, than a lot of BA subjects.
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  Well, you would. Argue, I would argue, yeah, it's
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  my nature. I can't help it.
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  But it does give you general like, I don't know, intellectual
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  processing abilities, helps you critical think, critical
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  thinking, analyse information research.
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  You're able to pass complicated texts.
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  It's, I think, a very A. Contract.
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  A contract. I used to have to look at
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  legislation, I had to read contracts that the government
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  department had signed to make sure that the the corporation
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  was, you know, living up to the contract or, you know, abiding
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  by it. So, people.
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  Don't get it? They don't get not like, but we
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  we get, we get it, we get it, we get.
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  So you started to compile this notebook and then you looked at
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  the notebook and you go, this is pretty good stuff.
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  Why is it just in the notebook? This belongs on the stage.
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  Were you like somebody who would go to gigs and.
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  Yep, yes, yes. I don't I don't know about
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  yourself, but so when I was at uni, me and my friends for a
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  while, we would go to the Wednesday night gig in
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  Wellington that would a regular 1.
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  You know, it's apparently there's a fear there's got to be
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  poor for the on every time there's a long movie serum gig.
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  Yeah, yeah, the over the hump gig.
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  Yes, it was it was called the medicine and that sadly no
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  longer runs. But it was the first non open
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  mic gig I ever did. But we but but when I was in uni
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  we used to go and watch it every week and my friends would be
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  like you should do a spot and or you should sign up.
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  But I was. Why?
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  Because you were kind of the funny guy.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, you have to remember I
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  was associated with some very boring troll people.
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  So, so for me to be the funniest, you know, it was a, it
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  was a low bar. But now are they?
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  Were they other philosophy? They were, actually.
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  There are other philosophy majors, yeah, but I was.
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  You thought this is an easy crowd to dominate comedically?
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  I'm going to kick some ass to these guys.
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  I pick you, you, you and you. But I, I, yeah, I, yeah, we, we
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  would go to gigs all the time. And then, but then this was
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  years later, I finally signed up.
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  But I had gotten a job at this point.
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  And so I was working for the government.
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  I was working for New Zealand's Department of Corrections, which
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  is our, yeah, the prison service.
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  And I was the, I was a, well, I was a contract analyst at 1st
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  and then I was a policy advisor. Did you have to go into the
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  prison? I didn't have to, but I would
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  weekly voluntarily go, I go, I dropped.
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  The sword. No, I'm just.
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  Kidding. We just, we need someone to
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  inspect the showers again. All right, All right, I'll go.
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  I'll go. Oh, God.
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  Oh, God. All right, Yeah.
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  Though I, we, we did, we, we did have one.
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  I guess I want to say field trip.
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  OK. Like a induction ceremony.
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  Is that what you call it, like a excursion?
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  And so they would get like new, new employees at the department.
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  New meat. New meat.
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  I mean, basically, and we would, and we would go to the prisons
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  and see how they operate on the ground, ground floor and stuff.
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  And we get talks from people who worked at the prison and we'd I.
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  Guess see. See the see the prisoners, they
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  wouldn't talk to us, but right. Yeah.
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  And. Get them up close and.
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  Press and rattle the bars and, you know, dangle the.
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  You like it here? What's the food like?
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  The the food actually that we had food cooked for us by
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  prisoners and it is delicious. They were it's like one of the
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  best meals we've ever had. I still think about it.
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  I. Imagine it's, you know, it seems
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  like it's very kind of low key compared to like say the US.
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  Oh yeah, very much so. And I think New Zealand, I don't
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  know if they still do it, but these are let you out, let you
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  out here. I don't know if they still do
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  that anymore, but they have a thing called Wellington on a
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  Plate, which is like a basically a burger festival.
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  And the New Zealand prisons. They would, they would have a
• 20:55
  like a restaurant open during Wellington on a Plate and it'd
• 20:58
  be called I think from gate to plate or something like that.
• 21:01
  And they would have a, and they'd have, you could get meals
• 21:05
  served by prisoners and they, all the prisoners would cook all
• 21:08
  the food. I assume they didn't deliver.
• 21:11
  I assume they weren't the waiters.
• 21:13
  I assume they wouldn't be a a a laugh or they've got a very
• 21:16
  long. Chase Shiv on the plate.
• 21:19
  How come my food's got a nail file in it?
• 21:21
  Yeah. What's?
• 21:22
  This all about there's a cake. But yeah, and it was very
• 21:27
  popular and I think it was based on Auk scheme.
• 21:30
  I believe you guys do it here. You're from plate to gate or
• 21:32
  there's a there's a prison restaurant somewhere.
• 21:35
  OK, as what? Oh, so yeah, there we go.
• 21:38
  Kenny's. You can jump and.
• 21:39
  Jump, Kenny. You're awful familiar with the
• 21:41
  prison system. Yeah.
• 21:44
  Is Brixton far from here? Not too far.
• 21:47
  Not not too far the. Blue line, the blue 2 area line.
• 21:50
  Oh yes, Oh yes, I just just took that today.
• 21:52
  A great one. Again, it's not the burping.
• 22:01
  I have an issue that you laugh at your own burps and I say I
• 22:05
  cannot abide it. I need to correct myself.
• 22:10
  I get burp all you're loan just a cough.
• 22:13
  Speaking of corrections, so you finished that job, yes, which
• 22:18
  seems like it was a good job. Oh, thank you.
• 22:21
  Yeah. You were on the pit, you know,
• 22:22
  the government payroll. Yes, it was.
• 22:26
  I bet your parents were like, you've got a secure job.
• 22:29
  Now what the hell are you doing? What are you doing?
• 22:31
  Yes, they, it was, I mean, that was anything, part of the issue
• 22:36
  was that I, you know, you'd be, I'd been a uni student and I,
• 22:41
  you know, I forget how much money I was living on back then,
• 22:44
  but you know, you're, you're living on a pittance as a, as a
• 22:47
  uni student. You know, you're out there with
• 22:49
  the other gang of orphans pickpocketing people just to get
• 22:52
  by and stuff. And, and then, and then suddenly
• 22:56
  I had this government job and I was being paid so much more
• 23:00
  money than I'd ever received before in my life.
• 23:03
  Yeah. And, and we're rolling in.
• 23:05
  I was rolling. You wouldn't believe the the
• 23:07
  lifestyle change I had. I was unrecognisable to my
• 23:10
  friends. You bought some wheels, I bought
• 23:13
  a car. Yeah, I had a full memory
• 23:14
  palace. I.
• 23:17
  Had. Thank you.
• 23:18
  Thank you. Yeah, I, no, I actually, I can't
• 23:22
  drive. So I I did, I did buy some
• 23:24
  wheels just just to imagine. You can't drive.
• 23:27
  No, I can't drive. OK man, Can you?
• 23:29
  Yeah. I was born in the States.
• 23:32
  Oh, Congrats. Yeah.
• 23:34
  No, but what I'm saying is it's a pretty open country.
• 23:38
  Yeah. You would think you would drive.
• 23:40
  Yeah, no, well, it was bad for me.
• 23:42
  Not because in Wanganui you do like it's, you know you need to
• 23:46
  drive to get around to. Go to Wellington.
• 23:48
  To go to Wellington, get out to get, that was the only way out.
• 23:51
  But I was able to hitch a ride. So.
• 23:53
  But yeah, no, yeah. Would you ever get a licence?
• 23:56
  Well, I'd always sort of been in my mind, I was like, well, I can
• 23:59
  just wait for self driving cars to come along.
• 24:01
  And now it feels like we're sort of on the cusp.
• 24:03
  Yeah, that's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:05
  So a. Couple of crashes and yeah, get
• 24:08
  it out of your system. Yeah, I like.
• 24:10
  Your podcasts, you know. Well, they just need to bomb a
• 24:13
  couple times and then they'll be perfect, yeah.
• 24:16
  So, OK, so you, you were at the Department of Corrections,
• 24:22
  correct? You did some gigs while you were
• 24:25
  there. Yes, yes, I was gigging while I
• 24:28
  was there. Yeah.
• 24:28
  I I did it in secret at first, right?
• 24:33
  Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I didn't because I don't.
• 24:34
  Yeah, I didn't want anyone to know.
• 24:37
  OK. Because.
• 24:38
  Because I, I liked comedy, so I listened to comedy podcasts and
• 24:43
  things like that. I listened to, I want to say
• 24:46
  Chatterbox. Is that what the name of the
• 24:47
  podcast? Yeah.
• 24:48
  So I'd listen to that and other podcasts and I was aware I'm
• 24:53
  probably going to be quite bad. You did.
• 24:57
  Your research first before you dove.
• 25:00
  In absolutely 100%, I went on. Some people just dive in and
• 25:03
  they go, oh shit, I've got to do this.
• 25:05
  Yes, 100%. But no, I, yeah, I, I would go,
• 25:08
  I've been to the open mic in Wellington once or twice.
• 25:12
  Well, I, I think I I went the week before I was meant to be
• 25:15
  on. And David Cochner, did he say
• 25:20
  his last name? The guy who played Kechner?
• 25:22
  Yeah, the guy who played Champ Kind and.
• 25:24
  Anchor. Yeah, he's great.
• 25:25
  Yeah, yeah, he, he was on with and Adam, I think Adam Scott was
• 25:30
  there, but I didn't see him but. I did.
• 25:33
  I was with him in Chicago. Oh really?
• 25:35
  Did you did you guys come up together?
• 25:37
  Pretty much in the same kind of crowd.
• 25:39
  Yeah. And when you do, you would do
• 25:42
  improv together. Not not the improv.
• 25:45
  No, no, it was improv in sketch at in Chicago.
• 25:49
  Holy moly. Yeah, I.
• 25:50
  Know amazing is that how is that how you got started through
• 25:53
  improv rather than stand up? Yeah, Yeah.
• 25:55
  Well, that's the very that feels like a very the American system
• 25:59
  feels very improv heavy like as opposed to stand up.
• 26:03
  Yeah, yeah. In fact, this is a, I don't know
• 26:07
  if it's still around, but there was a when I was in Wellington,
• 26:10
  there was a restaurant that was chicago-based.
• 26:14
  It was like called Chicago or something.
• 26:16
  Chicago, do you? Do you mean the musical was on?
• 26:20
  No, no, it was about Chicago stuff.
• 26:23
  Oh really? Was it?
• 26:25
  I'm trying to think this. By the water I.
• 26:27
  Think by the water. Chicago.
• 26:29
  Maybe it? Probably burned down, I don't
• 26:32
  know. True Chicago style they would
• 26:35
  have. They would have torched that
• 26:36
  thing to the ground. Yeah, Cow kicked it over.
• 26:40
  I'm trying to, I'm trying to remember to be fear.
• 26:42
  I mean, when, when did you go to Wellington?
• 26:44
  Was that? His late 90s so.
• 26:47
  Yeah. So it's.
• 26:48
  Probably come and gone. Yeah.
• 26:49
  So I I went 20 years later and they may have changed its name.
• 26:54
  Yeah, yeah. This is what as it's want to do.
• 27:01
  So you did some open mics and you liked what was happening.
• 27:05
  You're doing quite well. Yes, my very first gig went
• 27:09
  well. I remember there was a guy
• 27:11
  backstage who who like came up to me, said I was it your first
• 27:13
  time, you're probably going to bomb them, which I remember.
• 27:16
  And he was like the headliner of the open mic.
• 27:20
  He didn't want you to succeed. No, Yeah, he was.
• 27:22
  Yeah, he was trying to keep me down.
• 27:23
  It's it's vicious out there. It's a dog eat dog world and and
• 27:27
  now he no longer does. I don't know what he does.
• 27:30
  I know he's he's sold beard oil for a while, but you know, maybe
• 27:33
  I'm giving out too much information about this guy.
• 27:36
  That's that's sort of. Every beard oil salesman.
• 27:38
  Oil former comedians, it has really nailed out I.
• 27:42
  Just type it up in a ChatGPT. People are going to figure out
• 27:47
  it's. I don't want to just say his
• 27:48
  name. Yeah.
• 27:51
  PL Trevor. That was the the writer of Mary
• 27:56
  Poppins yourself. So this guy.
• 28:02
  But I remember, but at the time I was lucky it didn't faze me
• 28:05
  because I was like, well, I'm going to bomb.
• 28:08
  So my expectations were on the floor.
• 28:10
  So I was like, but I really think it was a rude thing to
• 28:12
  say. But but then I but I had my
• 28:15
  first set. It went well.
• 28:16
  He was impressed. He was he complicated.
• 28:17
  Me up, He thought he was giving you, you know, he was lowering
• 28:20
  your expectation. Like how how you did before the
• 28:24
  pause, you sort of took me aside and said you were going to be
• 28:28
  terrible out there. You're going to, you're going to
• 28:30
  be, you're going to miss the some.
• 28:32
  Really rig have a good. One.
• 28:35
  Yeah, but don't, don't worry. I'm out.
• 28:37
  Don't worry. You're doing it with me.
• 28:38
  I'll be able to keep, you know, get you through it.
• 28:40
  But you were going to suck, you know.
• 28:44
  But no, I think I thank you for that.
• 28:46
  Yeah. And and then I think like a lot
• 28:49
  of comedians, the second gig went terribly.
• 28:50
  But yeah, but basically from that very first gig, I basically
• 28:55
  gigged non-stop until COVID and then but yeah, basically been
• 28:59
  gigging non-stop. So that's.
• 29:01
  Amazing. Yeah.
• 29:02
  No, thank you. You've just been doing it.
• 29:05
  Yeah, It's like a muscle. Well, yeah.
• 29:07
  Well, it has to. I remember it was so I would
• 29:10
  always go to this weekly in in Wellington.
• 29:13
  At the time there were basically 2 open mics that a week and and
• 29:17
  one was booked so you couldn't go on every every week and the
• 29:21
  other one was a sign up on the night.
• 29:22
  And was a booked open mic. Isn't that sort of
• 29:26
  counterintuitive it? Wasn't.
• 29:28
  Yeah, I guess it was a closed mic.
• 29:29
  I suppose it was an exclusive club, which you could.
• 29:33
  Yeah, but it was, it was 1. You know anyone could get on,
• 29:35
  but you had to e-mail in advance.
• 29:38
  A a closed open mic is like jumbo shrimp, right?
• 29:45
  I guess I didn't have thought about it, but yeah, yeah.
• 29:48
  But yeah, there's like a gatekeeper and yeah.
• 29:53
  And but the other one, it was sign up on the night and yeah,
• 29:57
  I'll do that one. I remember one time not doing it
• 29:59
  was and it was dreadful as well. Such a bit, you know, you're
• 30:01
  only performing to other comedians.
• 30:02
  You'd bomb horribly. It was just a terrible game.
• 30:05
  They wanted to get on. Yeah, all right.
• 30:07
  Yeah, they would. Everyone was desperate.
• 30:09
  The other one was closed off. None of us could get in there
• 30:12
  yet to send an e-mail, but but this one, and I remember I
• 30:16
  didn't do it one week. And I remember even just taking
• 30:18
  a week off from gigging, I was like, oh, I feel rusty now.
• 30:23
  And so, oh, yeah, so. And because of that feeling, I.
• 30:26
  Kept going. Yeah, basically I'm just sort of
• 30:28
  kidding. That's.
• 30:28
  What you got to do? Yeah, you got to do.
• 30:29
  It's like the podcast I put one out every week.
• 30:33
  Yes, yeah. And even if you get a dud guest,
• 30:36
  you know even. If you get a super dud who talks
• 30:40
  about prison all the time, no. God, I wish I was in prison.
• 30:44
  Your wait, you so your material. Did you talk about prison at all
• 30:49
  or? I have, I, I've, I've talked
• 30:52
  about, well, the issue is that I wasn't really involved directly
• 30:56
  in the prisons. Like I was helping like try
• 30:58
  think of policy settings for the prison.
• 31:01
  So, but I was mostly in a normal bureaucratic office.
• 31:05
  So I would I've written some material about like office life
• 31:08
  and the nice banalities of of the office, which would have
• 31:14
  will have no success though comedy about offices never never
• 31:17
  works, never takes off but. What about the shows like The
• 31:22
  Office? What's that?
• 31:28
  Oh, is that, is that the one that the papers based on?
• 31:32
  Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 31:33
  Yeah. That other paper.
• 31:34
  Now that's a show. That's a great show.
• 31:37
  Oh yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to.
• 31:42
  So, but yeah, that was what was based on.
• 31:46
  But, and I was going to ask, when you started, were you I
• 31:50
  guess gig hungry in a similar way?
• 31:53
  Like, well, it was mostly just improv and sketch, so we would
• 31:56
  go up quite a bit. Yeah, because that's how you get
• 31:59
  good. Yes, you have to.
• 32:00
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:01
  It's. I find you're doing improv.
• 32:04
  I find it like that kind of improv very terrifying.
• 32:08
  But were you on? Would you have, were you able to
• 32:11
  get up most nights or were you at like the UCB or?
• 32:14
  There. Was the UCB.
• 32:16
  Down it was in Chicago and they had improv, Olympic Annoyance
• 32:20
  Theatre and Second City. Oh yeah.
• 32:23
  So Second City was like a job. Yeah.
• 32:26
  If you got hired, that mean you had to audition and stuff.
• 32:30
  But there were lots of places where you, I mean, you have to
• 32:33
  get in with the theatre people and then you gradually you start
• 32:37
  gigging a lot more. So it was a, you know.
• 32:41
  And when? When you were coming up?
• 32:42
  What's? Oh my God, you're interviewing
• 32:48
  me. Yeah, well, I mean, you do so
• 32:50
  many of these podcasts, but I feel so guilty.
• 32:52
  I do all the, you know, all the talking.
• 32:54
  I feel like, I feel like, I feel like I we.
• 32:56
  Want to know about you? Yeah, no.
• 32:57
  But I want to know about you. But maybe that's selfish of me.
• 33:00
  I don't know. Maybe you, but I But I want to,
• 33:02
  yeah. But what I I'm interested in
• 33:05
  when you start out you. And I'm interested when you
• 33:08
  start out. But it's like you get it out of
• 33:13
  your system and you gradually become yourself.
• 33:15
  Right. Yeah.
• 33:17
  And you seem to be yourself on stage.
• 33:20
  Oh, thank you. Like, but was it always that
• 33:23
  way? Like, you've got a very great
• 33:26
  delivery. Oh, thank you, thank you.
• 33:28
  And. It's kind of like the way you
• 33:29
  speak now, but. A bitter.
• 33:33
  Well, it's more heightened. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, I agree.
• 33:36
  Yeah, I agree. I think when I when I first
• 33:40
  started. Because most people get nervous
• 33:42
  when they're on stage and they're natural inclination.
• 33:45
  This is what I did was talk fast.
• 33:48
  Oh yes, interesting. And and and I talk incredibly
• 33:52
  slowly. Well, no, not too slowly, but.
• 33:57
  But. You made a conscious choice to,
• 34:00
  you know, make make a point of every word.
• 34:04
  It's a bit slow. I, I think when I first started
• 34:14
  out, I think generally as a person I was not as confident
• 34:19
  like as I am now. And I just also think just being
• 34:23
  on stage was such a nerve wracking experience.
• 34:27
  Like I it was just so unnatural to me.
• 34:30
  You had to build up to it. Yeah, and but it meant that I
• 34:34
  couldn't do anything on stage but sort of stand there and
• 34:38
  deliver my jokes, which is sort of basically what my character
• 34:43
  on stage is like now. So it was so from being so
• 34:46
  nervous as sort of how I emerge, you know, like I, yeah.
• 34:49
  Like when I was on stage, I didn't, I didn't have the
• 34:51
  confidence to do, you know, act outs or, you know, big bits or,
• 34:55
  I don't know, even yell or raise my voice, you know, and I, you
• 35:00
  know, can't emote. I'm not a very, I don't think
• 35:01
  I'm particularly strong actor. And so I I.
• 35:04
  Bet you are. Well, I, I had a friend say
• 35:08
  maybe I, I don't know if it was meant to be a compliment or not,
• 35:10
  but that would say that I was sort of like, I was like as good
• 35:13
  an actor as Jerry Seinfeld, which is like, you know, Jerry
• 35:16
  Seinfeld was in the biggest sitcom of all time.
• 35:19
  But he's, you know, he played himself.
• 35:22
  You know he played. Himself he was, But I've noticed
• 35:25
  the the best shows where there's a comic or something as the
• 35:30
  lead, they play kind of a straight guy and then you've got
• 35:34
  characters around you. Like, remember Bob Newhart?
• 35:37
  Yes, I love Bob Newhart. Yeah.
• 35:39
  Yeah, he was great. The unbuttoned down mind.
• 35:41
  Or yes, the buttoned down mind of Bob New he was very straight.
• 35:46
  Yes. But he was hilarious.
• 35:48
  Yes, yes and yes. And surrounded by homosexual.
• 35:51
  I'm sorry, I should have said he's.
• 35:52
  Surrounded by gay. People, but he was very straight
• 35:55
  and the and the the the the the the the contrast was hilarious.
• 36:00
  You get. A lot of camp people around you
• 36:02
  and you'll do great, yeah. But yes, no, Bob Newhart, he's
• 36:07
  incredible. And a lot of New Zealand comedy,
• 36:10
  I think is like that of the funniest, a lot of comedy.
• 36:14
  Jemaine Clement. Jemaine Clement, yes.
• 36:16
  Yeah, I've met him, Yeah. Okay.
• 36:19
  Yeah. Do you know him?
• 36:20
  Yeah, I'm on. Damn, he was an avatar.
• 36:26
  He was. An Avatar 2 and Avatar three.
• 36:29
  Yeah, man, but yeah. But you were on Wonka.
• 36:32
  I was asked. To be an avatar.
• 36:34
  To audition for Avatar. Wait, really?
• 36:37
  But they said there might be a two to three-year commitment.
• 36:41
  Oh wow. Because I think they were gonna
• 36:43
  film all. Of this, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:45
  I think they film them all back-to-back in Wellington.
• 36:47
  And I didn't do nudity, so that was the problem.
• 36:52
  They wanted me to get everything out.
• 36:57
  No. Not really.
• 37:00
  You're like, it's that's good. It's already Blues.
• 37:02
  It's already it's very cold, but this is perfect.
• 37:08
  No CGI here. Check it out, Joe, but.
• 37:16
  How was it having to sing and Wonka?
• 37:20
  To sing. Oh, I liked singing.
• 37:22
  Yeah, you know we were. On the you're on the number
• 37:24
  scrub scrub. At the Abbey Road Studio.
• 37:27
  Oh wow. Recorded there.
• 37:28
  Yeah. Did you have to record your
• 37:30
  parts alone or do we recording with some of the?
• 37:32
  Other sometimes we would do 2 and then mostly it was just solo
• 37:37
  stuff and I would put it together.
• 37:39
  Yeah. Are you, I, I, I only saw the
• 37:41
  film. I only saw the You do not enjoy
• 37:44
  being interviewed. Have you already discussed Wonga
• 37:48
  to Death at at your other podcasts?
• 37:50
  No, yeah, I did have somebody from Wonka.
• 37:53
  Phil Wang. Yeah.
• 37:54
  Oh wow. No, I want to get Phil Wang.
• 37:56
  I'll look, I'll help. I'll do all I can please.
• 38:00
  Get Phil. Wong, Was it, Tom Davison,
• 38:04
  David. No, I want to get him on.
• 38:06
  Yeah, who I'm trying to think of who else was in Wonka.
• 38:08
  Did you, Timothy? Schott, my Co host Huger
• 38:12
  Scrubber. Yeah.
• 38:13
  Oh yes, but about about scrub. Scrub.
• 38:24
  You're obsessed with scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub,
• 38:30
  scrub. So a lot of the recording would
• 38:31
  just be scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, and then
• 38:38
  you have to do it over and over again.
• 38:41
  It was a terrible time of my life.
• 38:44
  No, it was great. Ironic because you were sort of
• 38:46
  playing an indigent slut and then you you were trapped in the
• 38:50
  recording box. You got to it was very mad it.
• 38:52
  Was kind of weird you are trapped in that yeah situation.
• 38:57
  It's it's so it took, it took multiple days of you in a booth
• 39:00
  to say scrub, scrub. And then they do the playback on
• 39:04
  the set and you'd know that. Oh wow, did any?
• 39:09
  Are you only in the one song? Because there's we've never had
• 39:13
  chocolate like this. You're not on that one.
• 39:15
  Didn't you see the movie? Absolutely.
• 39:18
  No, I'm just in that, yeah. I'm trying to remember.
• 39:21
  Never had chocolate. Let's what's the other?
• 39:23
  What's the other one? Oh, is it sweet tooth?
• 39:26
  Yeah, that's but it's the villains.
• 39:27
  Matt Lucas is in that one. Yeah, I'm not in that one.
• 39:30
  No. Are you rubbing it in?
• 39:34
  You're only in one song in Wonka.
• 39:37
  Is that enough? No.
• 39:41
  Yeah. Do you sing?
• 39:44
  No, no. Do you?
• 39:46
  Sing right now. Scrub, Scrub.
• 39:49
  There you go. I I don't think I'm a
• 39:51
  particularly I used to love yeah, no, I'm not a particularly
• 39:56
  strong singer. I do like singing, I suppose,
• 39:58
  and music and whatnot. And I I love musicals actually,
• 40:01
  but. Oh yes.
• 40:03
  What's your favourite music on Chicago?
• 40:05
  Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it but it
• 40:07
  burned down sadly and I'm not I'm not seeing.
• 40:09
  Yeah, Cow knocked a can over and yeah, I'm sorry.
• 40:15
  I wish we had both had that. Experience.
• 40:19
  Yeah, no, I'm so sorry. Yes, but but yeah, I think I've
• 40:24
  run out of questions about scrub.
• 40:25
  Scrub, sorry. No.
• 40:27
  So my question to you is, when you started, when did you start
• 40:33
  really seriously gigging? Was was it a couple of years
• 40:37
  when you did the open mikes? Yeah, I guess it depends on what
• 40:40
  your definition of seriously gigging is.
• 40:43
  Because in because I guess I would say that in Wellington I
• 40:47
  was doing as many gigs as I could, but the the population's
• 40:51
  small and there's not heaps of, there weren't heaps of gigs.
• 40:56
  I mean, that's what that's what people were saying.
• 40:57
  That's what I was saying. After I saw Wonka, I was like,
• 41:00
  I've seen that you. Said that last week.
• 41:03
  I've seen it. Yeah, it was good.
• 41:05
  I had a good time. Hugh Grant said it, but he is.
• 41:09
  You keep going back to Wonka, it must have had a big effect on
• 41:15
  you. I did actually, because I left
• 41:17
  the cinema thinking, Oh yeah. And then I listened to the
• 41:20
  soundtrack quite a lot and I wasn't.
• 41:22
  It is a good. Soundtrack.
• 41:23
  Yeah, yeah, You never had chocolate like this, you know.
• 41:26
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I would have killed.
• 41:28
  I mean, to be on the to be singing the lines.
• 41:30
  Well, there's chocolate and there's chocolate only.
• 41:34
  Wonka drives a whole right through our profilets like that
• 41:37
  would be. Are you a big fan of chocolate?
• 41:40
  Singing about it. No.
• 41:42
  OK. I mean, yeah, I like.
• 41:44
  Yeah, I like chocolate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like
• 41:46
  chocolate. I think I prefer ice cream, but
• 41:48
  yeah. Well, maybe there'll be an
• 41:50
  equivalent for ice cream. Oh, I hope so.
• 41:53
  Oh, I hope so. A sequel perhaps?
• 41:54
  Yes. Are are we are there talks?
• 41:56
  Maybe because it's an exclusive on on the podcast.
• 42:00
  No, I don't have anything to reveal, but maybe you should
• 42:04
  think about it. OK, all right, OK.
• 42:07
  I'm gonna. I might submit a tape.
• 42:08
  All right? I'm just me thinking about ice
• 42:11
  cream. So what?
• 42:15
  But I was going to get as often as I could, Yeah, but there was
• 42:20
  a gate only like 2 * a week or something and and.
• 42:24
  Was there a moment, because I asked some people this about is
• 42:27
  there a moment when you leave your job and go, I'm a full time
• 42:31
  comic or was it just a gradual thing that happened to you?
• 42:37
  But outside both, which maybe doesn't make any sense, but I,
• 42:42
  yeah, it doesn't. That was, that was a stupid
• 42:45
  thing to say. I'm sorry.
• 42:46
  That was a stupid answer. But I left my job in Wellington
• 42:51
  and I moved to Auckland for comedy because in Auckland and
• 42:55
  in New Zealand is sort of the hub of the industry.
• 42:58
  Yeah, yeah. There's the really the only,
• 43:01
  well, the long running comedy club is there and all the
• 43:04
  television work is there. So I moved to Auckland.
• 43:07
  And you met everybody. There I met everybody.
• 43:11
  There I met. Ray Bon Con.
• 43:13
  How do you know Ray Bon? I can't believe you know, rape
• 43:15
  on card. Yeah, I met, Yeah, he, he was
• 43:17
  actually living in Wellington, so I'd already been.
• 43:19
  OK. Yeah, you rape on card.
• 43:21
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:22
  I can't believe that's right. That's one of the crazy things
• 43:25
  about, again, you know, seeing all these, like Stuart Lee and
• 43:28
  one of his specials mentions Ben Hurley, who's like a, you know,
• 43:31
  Ben Hurley. He's like a major comic.
• 43:33
  I've heard of him. Yeah.
• 43:34
  He's a major comic in New Zealand.
• 43:35
  Yeah. And anyway, it's so crazy to me
• 43:37
  to think of all the, you know, guys like yourself have all
• 43:39
  worked with Ray Bon Carne. It's a universal world comedy.
• 43:43
  Yeah, it's amazing. Because you I've read your
• 43:46
  influences in comedy, which makes sense as Stuart Lee, Tig
• 43:52
  Notaro. Yes, I think.
• 43:54
  Yes, she's yes, I think. I think of every comic I've
• 43:57
  seen, probably she's the most similar to me on stage.
• 44:00
  Just that style, yes. Yeah.
• 44:02
  But it's so good when the jokes land.
• 44:05
  Yes, when you can get them to land and that's what I'm
• 44:08
  working. That's what I'm I think if you
• 44:10
  yeah, that was, I thought you were maybe applying.
• 44:12
  No, but Tig is so funny because she there's no rush to the joke.
• 44:18
  She knows it's gonna come and she just has total commands.
• 44:22
  I. Agree.
• 44:23
  I agree. As as to.
• 44:24
  You. Her.
• 44:25
  Her Taylor Dayne's story I think about meeting this pop singer
• 44:29
  over and over again I think it goes for about 10 minutes, maybe
• 44:32
  longer is so, so funny. I think it's.
• 44:34
  Well, because I was in Melbourne once when she was doing it.
• 44:38
  Wow. And I think I was comparing and
• 44:42
  she came on and I was like, I wonder if they're going to go
• 44:46
  for this because it's so, you know, but there's just, they
• 44:50
  were with her the whole time. Yeah, she's incredible.
• 44:53
  I can't believe you know. That's awesome.
• 44:56
  Stewart Lee. Who else was a big?
• 44:59
  Influence. At the moment, Norm MacDonald's
• 45:01
  a bit a big influence. Oh God, rest is soul.
• 45:05
  Rest is Mary's soul. He's probably alive somewhere.
• 45:07
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:09
  It's like Paul McCartney and Avril Lavigne.
• 45:13
  Scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub. I hope he's up there scrubbing
• 45:17
  away. Yeah, I still revisit his, you
• 45:21
  know. You know what's funny to listen
• 45:24
  to is Norm MacDonald on on Dennis Miller.
• 45:28
  On his. On his.
• 45:29
  Like they've got like a three hour compilation of all of his
• 45:34
  guest spots. Oh, really?
• 45:36
  Yeah, I've never watched this. Dennis Miller there or I'll
• 45:38
  watch that. I was even just talking to a
• 45:39
  friend the other day about his opening dedication and his book
• 45:43
  is so funny. And it's it's it's it's 2
• 45:46
  Charles Manson brackets, not that one.
• 45:49
  Yeah, that's a great gig. And 5 or 6 words.
• 45:52
  He's got a brilliant joke just in the dedication of his book.
• 45:56
  Yeah. Who else was an influence?
• 45:58
  Well, I mean, actually, I think I've already said it, but Ellen
• 46:02
  DeGeneres did I OK. She was.
• 46:04
  Great. Yeah, she was the very first
• 46:05
  stand up special I ever saw. So that was very influential and
• 46:11
  I do think her first two hours from the early 2000s.
• 46:14
  It was really good. Yeah.
• 46:17
  Very well written material, as is yours.
• 46:20
  Oh, thank you. Very funny.
• 46:22
  Thank you. Very well thought out.
• 46:24
  You're a good writer. Oh, thank you very much.
• 46:26
  Thank you. Yeah, that used to be, I don't
• 46:28
  know about if you ever had this, but maybe an improv.
• 46:30
  It's different. But when you're starting out in
• 46:32
  comedy and you don't know if you're going to make it or not,
• 46:35
  there's, I still don't know. There's still this could be the
• 46:38
  end, but I I, you always have these like things of like, oh,
• 46:43
  am I more of a writer or a performer?
• 46:45
  And I always, yeah. And I always felt like, oh,
• 46:47
  maybe I should just quit performing and just be a like, I
• 46:49
  always felt like, you know, and you, you know, people always
• 46:51
  have those sort of hang ups in their heads, you know, because.
• 46:54
  I mean, if you wrote down your material, I mean write it down,
• 46:59
  you say it best. Yes, yes.
• 47:03
  Right. If you got somebody else to say
• 47:05
  it, it wouldn't be the same. Yes, I, I, there's a comedian in
• 47:09
  New Zealand called Angela Dravid who is incredible.
• 47:13
  And she also, she's like a master at the deadpan, the,
• 47:18
  she's so good at, you know, utilising pauses and building
• 47:20
  tension and releasing it. And I remember.
• 47:23
  It's a lot of racist stuff, that's right.
• 47:25
  It's pretty, it's pretty unrepeatable and it's and it's
• 47:29
  not aged and it's not aged well and it's not aged well.
• 47:32
  And I saw her last week and I'll tell you one of the the week of
• 47:35
  the since it's. Raged.
• 47:36
  Really. So badly.
• 47:38
  Yeah, it's a really just just dreadful stuff.
• 47:42
  But her personal politics aside, the her she's, I remember she,
• 47:48
  this is when I was still living in Wellington and still at this
• 47:51
  job. She asked me to print out her
• 47:52
  material. So that way you should be able
• 47:54
  to read it. And remember it.
• 47:56
  And I stole it and I made Achillity the so that's why I'm
• 47:59
  here. And she's not my God.
• 48:02
  And but no, she, I just remember reading out.
• 48:05
  I looked at the jokes, so I was curious and I was reading this
• 48:08
  bit of paper and I was like, there's nothing funny on here.
• 48:11
  Exactly. This is insane.
• 48:13
  Like it's all this crazy stuff about like the economic trend,
• 48:16
  you know, all those like this bizarre stuff.
• 48:18
  And then I watched the. Way you say?
• 48:19
  Yeah, I watched her that night perform it and it was the
• 48:22
  funniest thing I've ever seen. It was incredible.
• 48:24
  She's such a strong performer. You know who's like that?
• 48:27
  I mean, we were talking about this some me and somebody else,
• 48:32
  A human. Mitch Hedberg, you write.
• 48:36
  Out. You're talking to Mitch Hedberg.
• 48:39
  About him, If you write out his jokes, yes, they don't make
• 48:44
  sense at all. Yeah, but you do it in his
• 48:47
  style. Phenomenal.
• 48:49
  Yeah, yes, yes, 100% no. Yeah, I agree.
• 48:53
  And that's the key. I remember and also Stuart Lee
• 48:56
  in his book talks about this of like the, the I think it's just
• 49:01
  like the best stand up joke is one that doesn't work written
• 49:03
  down, but can only be said aloud.
• 49:06
  And I and I guess that is true because the whole point of stand
• 49:08
  up as you come and see the performer live.
• 49:10
  So you know the delivery. The delivery needs to be such
• 49:13
  an. Essential requires you to buy a
• 49:15
  ticket. Yes, exactly.
• 49:17
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you'll have to if you want
• 49:19
  to hear any of my jokes. That's a plug for my tour.
• 49:23
  Oh, OK. Sorry, sorry.
• 49:25
  Yes, laughter. I hardly knew her.
• 49:28
  Yes, thank you. Available at all of your ticket
• 49:32
  outlets. Yes, Yep.
• 49:34
  How do you buy a ticket, by the way?
• 49:37
  I think you can go to my social media page at Ray O'Leary Comedy
• 49:44
  on all my social media platforms on Instagram and Facebook and
• 49:49
  Truth Social and whatnot are. You on Truth Social.
• 49:52
  I'm on Truth Social. Yes, I'm trying to I'm trying to
• 49:54
  get some retruths on there, but it's it's tough.
• 49:57
  It's. It's Trump senior show he.
• 49:59
  He has. He has.
• 50:00
  My God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:03
  Does. He did he like all the Trump
• 50:04
  jokes. He yeah, there was a quite a lot
• 50:07
  of there were there finally, I was like an audience that gets
• 50:10
  them. This is this is perfect.
• 50:12
  Yeah. But he the issue was he didn't
• 50:14
  tweet about me or anything afterwards.
• 50:16
  So I felt like I didn't make much of an impression.
• 50:18
  Not at 3. AM not at three.
• 50:20
  Yeah, that's what I was hoping for, that he'd be his.
• 50:21
  Bathrobe. Yeah, tossing and turning,
• 50:23
  thinking about my material, but it's left no impact on him
• 50:27
  whatsoever. When did you do your first like
• 50:30
  hour long gig type thing? For the New Zealand Comedy
• 50:35
  Festival. Nice in 2017.
• 50:40
  Yeah, in 2017. So in New Zealand, there's the
• 50:44
  thing called the Billy T Award, which is named after an old an
• 50:49
  old comedian from New Zealand and.
• 50:52
  Billy T. Yes, name Billy T How do you wow
• 50:56
  yeah, his full name's Billy T award.
• 50:58
  So it's quite it was quite serendipitous, but yeah, he he
• 51:05
  yes. So there's award and the way it
• 51:06
  works is you kind of apply for the award and and you know, you
• 51:10
  pass these various stages and if you get selected, you then have
• 51:14
  to write an hour show and whoever wins the award is of
• 51:19
  the. Forced you to write an hour
• 51:21
  show. Yeah, well, I was definitely,
• 51:22
  Yeah. So my first hour show was as
• 51:24
  part of this award competition for this.
• 51:26
  Yes. And so and Angela Dravid, the
• 51:28
  committee I was talking about before she she that I stole
• 51:31
  from, but I didn't steal enough because she she won.
• 51:36
  But people, I think people just weren't ready to hear the
• 51:39
  perspectives of a Samoan woman told from the white man.
• 51:44
  So the the world wasn't ready for that.
• 51:46
  So what a shame. But yeah, that.
• 51:49
  Well, that just goes to show you write for yourself.
• 51:52
  Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, yeah, so, but yes, that
• 51:56
  was when I did my very first solo show.
• 51:57
  It was in 2017. Yeah, wow.
• 52:00
  And that must have had to been a big hurdle for you that you
• 52:03
  overcame. Oh yeah, definitely.
• 52:05
  So. Definitely so, yeah.
• 52:06
  And I look back and I think, oh, man, there was some, you know,
• 52:09
  there was, there was some very bad nights and what, you know,
• 52:12
  there was definitely elements of this, you know, Yeah, it wasn't
• 52:14
  great. I think, you know, which is kind
• 52:17
  of what you hope, you know, you hope that the first show you do
• 52:19
  is the worst one because, you know, it'll be terrible.
• 52:22
  If I'd peaked, they've been sitting here going, man, you
• 52:26
  should have seen me in 2017. But then the last day of the
• 52:29
  festival, you're like. Yes, yes.
• 52:32
  On fire. Yes.
• 52:33
  Yes. So.
• 52:35
  But yeah. So that was the first one.
• 52:36
  And then I did another in 2019 or 2020.
• 52:40
  No, 2021, I forget, but. And that one was very, very
• 52:44
  good. That one, that one I was like,
• 52:46
  you're proud of and remember fondly.
• 52:47
  And. Yeah.
• 52:48
  And then I've been doing sort of solo shows apart from, you know,
• 52:52
  COVID cancelling things, You know, I've been doing solo shows
• 52:55
  most years, yeah. When you were cancelled by
• 52:58
  COVID. I was cancelled by I was
• 53:00
  cancelled by COVID. DD came out and I had some
• 53:04
  problematic tweets about. What did you do during COVID?
• 53:08
  Did you do a lot of YouTube stuff or?
• 53:11
  No, my, the well, because in New Zealand it was a different thing
• 53:14
  where like there was an initial lockdown and well, at least my
• 53:19
  feeling was there was a sense of optimism that we're all sort of
• 53:22
  working towards, you know, destroying, you know, like we
• 53:25
  could what we were watching the numbers go down.
• 53:26
  We didn't have that many cases initially.
• 53:29
  You guys handled it pretty. Well, we handled it, but not to
• 53:31
  brag, but we did. Take some credit.
• 53:36
  No, we did. We did.
• 53:37
  We did. Yeah, we did.
• 53:38
  We did. Well done.
• 53:39
  That's true. That's where my fascination for
• 53:41
  scrub Scrub came from. Get the COVID out.
• 53:44
  Cleaning my hands. That's what it's about.
• 53:47
  That's that's what Wonka's about is that, yeah, it's that anti
• 53:50
  Vex. Anti vex.
• 53:53
  Scrub, Scrub. But.
• 53:58
  No COVID. Scrub, scrub.
• 54:03
  I, yeah, I the, so the first, I just kind of took a break for
• 54:07
  like my first break. And that was, it was really
• 54:09
  nice. It was.
• 54:11
  And yeah, we just sort of would watch the, you know, news and,
• 54:14
  and then we had A and then we had a period of being out of the
• 54:17
  out of the house. And so everything returned back
• 54:19
  to normal. And it was a very good time for
• 54:21
  comedy in New Zealand because no artists could tour there.
• 54:25
  So, you know, the audiences were forced to come and watch, you
• 54:29
  know, New Zealand performance. Goals.
• 54:30
  Yeah, yeah. It was a really great time.
• 54:32
  Oh, that's great. Yes, yeah.
• 54:34
  And then we have the second lockdown.
• 54:37
  A tariff, if you will. Yeah, yes, exactly.
• 54:40
  Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was, it was beautiful.
• 54:41
  I can see. I've seen Trump's vision and
• 54:44
  I've lived it and I'm all, it's comedy, it's called.
• 54:48
  And then we had our second lockdown and that one, that was
• 54:51
  when sort of the virus I guess was, you know, anyway, the, the,
• 54:55
  the sentiment was completely different.
• 54:57
  It was a lot more grim, I think, being inside, you know, going
• 55:00
  when is this ever going to end, yada, yada.
• 55:01
  And then I then I tried writing. I didn't, I wasn't filming
• 55:06
  myself. There was a little bit of TV
• 55:08
  work that was kind of happening. Like they'd drop off.
• 55:10
  Yeah, they'd drop off like a laptop.
• 55:12
  And you'd have to like, you know, you'd have to, yeah, the,
• 55:16
  your, the laptop camera was the camera.
• 55:19
  You have to do your own makeup and yada yada.
• 55:21
  Also it was on TV. It was on TV, yeah.
• 55:24
  Oh, that's great. Yeah, there was a yeah.
• 55:26
  So in New Zealand we had a panel show called Have You Been Paying
• 55:31
  Attention, which is like, it's like a quiz show format.
• 55:34
  We. Wait, let me guess.
• 55:36
  It cheques whether you've been paying attention.
• 55:39
  Holy moly. Yeah.
• 55:41
  Holy smokes, I'm good. Well, you are very good.
• 55:46
  This is incredible, you know, so.
• 55:47
  You play it on the laptop. Yeah, you're not.
• 55:51
  Yeah. I mean, it's not the ideal way
• 55:52
  to do it, but but it was able to translate to the, what's the
• 55:57
  word, pandemic times. And so we would, you know,
• 55:59
  someone would drop off a package and my doorstep and then stand 6
• 56:03
  feet away and I'd pick it. Up sort of like delivery.
• 56:05
  Yeah, Food. Exactly like delivery for food,
• 56:08
  Yes. Yeah.
• 56:08
  But it was television equipment. Yeah.
• 56:11
  Which is? Yeah.
• 56:13
  And not food. So you don't eat the television?
• 56:17
  Quit, man. No.
• 56:18
  And you do not record with the food, right?
• 56:20
  Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it was.
• 56:22
  Of a ham, but I wanted to focus on afterwards.
• 56:28
  You just, you started to tour everywhere, right?
• 56:31
  Yeah, so not long. So the the show that I was
• 56:36
  talking about, have you been paying attention that?
• 56:40
  So that was it was a New Zealand version of an Australian show.
• 56:44
  I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention for that.
• 56:47
  What? What was that?
• 56:50
  I bet they do that all the time on the set, right?
• 56:55
  Although on set, on set, we, we play, we play a lot of pranks.
• 56:59
  We play a lot of pranks. Sometimes the cameras, food and
• 57:02
  we go, no, no, no, that's not recorded equipment.
• 57:04
  We had, we had the recorded equipment dropped off at your
• 57:07
  door. The, the, the, the, the, yeah,
• 57:12
  it's an Australian show initially.
• 57:16
  And so I was sort of able to use the New Zealand one.
• 57:19
  I use it almost as an audition. And you know, I got, we were in
• 57:24
  contact with the Australian production and they were like, I
• 57:27
  always seen you on the New Zealand one.
• 57:29
  And eventually I was able to get on the Australian one and it's
• 57:33
  quite, it's a pretty popular panel show in Australia, I
• 57:37
  think, you know, for for the state of broadcast TV as it is.
• 57:40
  Yeah, yeah, in the world. It's relatively popular in
• 57:42
  Australia. And that really opened up as I
• 57:46
  guess the possibility I became a much more well known person in.
• 57:49
  Australia and then you started touring in Australia.
• 57:52
  Yes, yes, I'm very lucky. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 57:54
  So, and so you now I can tour in Australia, whereas in New
• 57:57
  Zealand that's unheard of. Like I mean, I've been talking
• 58:00
  about organising my own tour in New Zealand, but no one really
• 58:03
  tours in New Zealand because it's the towns are all so small.
• 58:06
  So it is so hard to get, you know, like my hometown's got
• 58:09
  40,000 people in it. So to get.
• 58:11
  That's one. Gig.
• 58:12
  That's one gig, yeah, for me, that's one gig. 40,000 people,
• 58:15
  it's well, that's one night. You know, that's not going to
• 58:17
  sustain me. You know, I need to be doing
• 58:19
  these, these massive arenas, Yeah.
• 58:23
  But yeah, you know, to get 100 people in Wonganui to come out
• 58:26
  is so much harder than, you know, to get 100 people in
• 58:29
  Melbourne. Which is fine.
• 58:30
  Like you're like in the UK. Yes, right now.
• 58:34
  Yeah, right now. Right now, not to dox me, but I
• 58:39
  am in the United Kingdom. There's only reaching for this
• 58:44
  bit of no I'm. Reaching for this because
• 58:46
  there's a segment called Fill in the blanks.
• 58:49
  OK. Where I give you 5 questions,
• 58:51
  you have to fill in the blanks. OK, OK, it doesn't have to be
• 58:54
  funny. OK, right.
• 58:56
  It feels like it's maybe meant to be a bit funny though, no?
• 58:59
  I mean, it can be funny, but it doesn't really.
• 59:02
  But it could be quite serious and dramatic.
• 59:04
  It's. Truth revealing.
• 59:05
  That's true. OK, one, I am blank.
• 59:08
  Percent pessimist and blank 10% optimist.
• 59:13
  Oh, that's a, that's a good question.
• 59:17
  Isn't it is? You're a philosophy guy.
• 59:19
  Yes, I am. I think I'm going to say, I'm
• 59:22
  going to say 60% pessimist. No, I'm going to say 65%
• 59:28
  pessimist, 35% optimist and. That's your final answer.
• 59:33
  No, no, I, I I I withhold the right to change my answer at any
• 59:39
  point but. Wow, 65%.
• 59:42
  I think so. Well, I, I wanted to say 5050,
• 59:44
  but that felt like such a cliche response.
• 59:47
  But my, it's just, I think my natural way of being in life is
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  to be pessimistic. Like, like if my plans change or
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  if I have to do something, I would say, oh, this is going to
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  be bad. This is going to be yeah, yeah,
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  that's, I have to do this bloody podcast.
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  I got the I got the scrub scrub guide asking me questions.
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  OK. Well, at least it's not 90%.
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  Oh, yeah. Because the other thing is
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  though, when I'm in a reflective mood, which like for example,
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  this podcast has caused me to be in I do, you know, when, you
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  know, I, I do feel quite optimistic about things.
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  Like I think about how my life has gone.
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  You know, it's like the, the fact that like you want to
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  interview me or a podcast is incredible to me.
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  Like I couldn't have imagined this when I first started doing
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  stand. Up, yeah, see, so 35%.
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  Yeah, 35% of me is excited to be here and 65% is thinking, Oh no,
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  this is gonna go badly. This is gonna go wrong.
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  And then the other thing is I am also, I think, generally
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  optimistic about the future of the world.
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  I know a lot of people are. You're optimistic.
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  I'm optimistic. Oh, good.
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  I think it's generally, I think things just as generally tend to
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  work out. It's not a hard and fast.
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  Rule, but in your own life it's more pessimistic.
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  I think like day-to-day is pessimistic, but I think the
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  general trend is towards optimism.
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  OK, we're done with that one. We're.
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  Done. I want to re litigate it. #2 no,
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  When I want you want to change it When I have a great gig.
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  It's a similar feeling to Blank. Oh, what I similar feeling to
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  blank I I'm trying to think of well, sky.
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  No, no, I don't like sky. I'm something that great.
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  Basically model says I'm walking on it, walking past someone on a
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  travel later. OK.
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  That's probably what I. What is so cool about?
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  That I just really like walking on a travelator and, and, and
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  the person and the person next to you is not, is not on the
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  travelator. And so you go by them so fast
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  and you feel so fast. And you don't feel like you're
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  doing anything. Yeah, yeah.
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  It's such an incredible feeling. It really just makes me feel
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  really good. Oh, that's.
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  Interesting. That's really one of my few joys
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  in life is. It's like a great.
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  Gig, Yeah. And I, and the point is, yeah, I
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  love Yeah, great. Gig is, you know, it feels
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  great. Yeah, nothing like it, apart
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  from going on a travel later. Three, if I ever owned a blank,
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  I would feel so much better. Oh, if I ever owned a blank.
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  If I ever owned a blank. If I ever owned a blank I would
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  feel so much better. The the issue is I'm not a I'm
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  trying to think of what things I could own because I'm not a
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  particularly materialistic person.
• 1:02:44
  OK, but maybe. You are a pessimist.
• 1:02:49
  Yeah, my, because the first thing that keeps coming back to
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  my head is a slave. But I don't think I don't.
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  I ever owned a slave I would feel.
• 1:02:58
  So you mean like a robot? Yeah, well, no.
• 1:03:01
  A human. Can he cut this?
• 1:03:08
  And I insist that they are of a different No, no, I, I I think
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  I, I don't in terms of material goods, I don't want for much
• 1:03:18
  right. Maybe yeah.
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  So maybe just like a, a, a mortgage free house.
• 1:03:24
  I don't know. OK, they're being, they're
• 1:03:25
  being. I don't know if I own my own
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  property. To be a big I.
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  Didn't have to be a big thing thing.
• 1:03:30
  Oh, OK, maybe something small. Maybe.
• 1:03:32
  I think if I ever owned a nail Clipper, I'd be.
• 1:03:36
  I do own an L clip. OK.
• 1:03:37
  And then the other search for meaning continues.
• 1:03:42
  Maybe a Nintendo, a new Nintendo Switch video game.
• 1:03:45
  That's good. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:48
  So that was a good. Answer.
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  You were a lot like my son. Thank you.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah. Do you like your son?
• 1:03:55
  Yeah. OK, that's good.
• 1:03:56
  So that was good. For.
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  But blank. But still #1 wasn't a good.
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  Number one, we'll we'll have to re edit that #4 blank.
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  The number one that's worse than the slavery option.
• 1:04:07
  It's that bad #4 Blank is the thing I use most with AI.
• 1:04:14
  Oh, I use AI. I mean, I guess it depends on
• 1:04:21
  what counts constitutes as using AI, because really the only
• 1:04:24
  times I use it is when I Google something and the auto thing
• 1:04:28
  pops up on on Google. That's really the only time I
• 1:04:31
  use it. So it's just for general Google
• 1:04:33
  searches, but I don't use ChatGPT really.
• 1:04:37
  No, there are one time because people, a lot of these, it's
• 1:04:40
  quite popular in some circles to, you know, poo poo ChatGPT
• 1:04:45
  and, and suggest it's not particularly bright or smart.
• 1:04:48
  And so then I decided to ask it some like philosophical
• 1:04:52
  questions or like ask it to survey the academic literature
• 1:04:55
  of the free will debate, of which I I wrote a masters on
• 1:04:59
  that. So I was like, so I was like,
• 1:05:00
  all right. So I was like, this is an area I
• 1:05:02
  feel confident in. And I asked it to like sum up
• 1:05:04
  various or like, you know, tell me what are the different
• 1:05:07
  positions in this debate? And I knew them all.
• 1:05:09
  It was perfect. And it was very smart.
• 1:05:12
  It was very, Yeah. And I was like, you know, and I
• 1:05:15
  was expecting, you know, to make a lot of mistakes and, you know,
• 1:05:17
  I'd be able to laugh and be secure in, secure in my own
• 1:05:21
  life. You spelled.
• 1:05:21
  Kierkegaard wrong or he she? Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  Oh yeah, that's that's very progressive, argue Chee Chee BT
• 1:05:29
  could be a woman, we don't know. Yeah #5 the best way I've ever
• 1:05:34
  used the microphone as a prop is blank.
• 1:05:38
  Oh, what have I done with the microphone?
• 1:05:41
  Everybody's used the mic. So true, so true.
• 1:05:46
  I think probably the have I pretended to hang myself?
• 1:05:52
  No, I just oh, that's a good one.
• 1:05:54
  That is a hits crack. People love that.
• 1:05:57
  People love that when you simulate suicidal.
• 1:06:00
  I'm a pessimist. 65% of me wants to do it.
• 1:06:06
  I, I think I feel like, again, I'm not a big like act out guy,
• 1:06:10
  not a physical guy, but I feel like there have been times where
• 1:06:14
  I felt, you know, the audience seemed to be laughing at me and
• 1:06:17
  then I've sort of dropped the mic down to beside the.
• 1:06:21
  Mic drop. Yeah, the mic drop in a sense to
• 1:06:24
  indicate how pathetic I feel at the moment.
• 1:06:27
  And I think that that to me is maybe the my strongest use of
• 1:06:30
  mic to be beyond just saying words into it.
• 1:06:33
  Excellent. Do do you ask every comedian how
• 1:06:36
  they. No, no.
• 1:06:37
  Oh, this was just to learn. This to you oh thank you so much
• 1:06:40
  oh wow you're welcome oh thank you so.
• 1:06:42
  The last part of the podcast is the plug scrub.
• 1:06:46
  Scrub together. I want you to sing and redo
• 1:06:49
  question number one. No plug time.
• 1:06:55
  We've already talked about it. How to get tickets.
• 1:06:58
  Anything else you want to say about the show?
• 1:07:00
  Why? Why should we come see you?
• 1:07:03
  It's really funny, it's entertaining, it's a laugh a
• 1:07:08
  minute. You'll chortle, optimistic,
• 1:07:12
  you'll feel optimistic afterwards, your skin will be
• 1:07:16
  clearer, you'll live longer. There's a there's a chance
• 1:07:22
  you'll. Go to prison.
• 1:07:23
  There's a chance you'll go to prison if I get a vibe.
• 1:07:27
  If I get a bad vibe from you, I will call the police on here.
• 1:07:30
  He. Knows how to do.
• 1:07:31
  It I don't know how to do it. It's 000 here.
• 1:07:34
  Is that what it was Was. It 999. 99 is.
• 1:07:38
  It 999. Yeah.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah. God, it's it's different, you
• 1:07:41
  know, I mean, everywhere. It's a crazy place.
• 1:07:43
  Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you, Rad.
• 1:07:46
  Thanks for having. Me Oh, you're welcome, you're
• 1:07:48
  welcome. It's so good to finally get down
• 1:07:50
  to the the inspiration of Scrubs Grub what the behind the.
• 1:07:53
  Scenes are at the bottom of it. Yeah, I, you know, you know, I
• 1:07:56
  watched that movie. I enjoyed the songs.
• 1:08:00
  I hope that you watch it again. Yeah, I think, I think.
• 1:08:03
  Do you? Want to get better?
• 1:08:04
  Should we should we watch it? Would you just?
• 1:08:06
  Watch it right now. Hey, thanks for watching.
• 1:08:13
  That was Ray O'Leary. If you want to check him out, go
• 1:08:17
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• 1:08:21
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