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😎 Summer House & 🏡 The Valley Recaps + Dish on Hulu News/Amanda/Summer Reunion Seating · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Drama Darling. Drama Darling, Drama Darling. Hello everybody, welcome back
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: into Drama Darling. We are going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: summerhouse today. Then we're gonna head on into the valley,
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  Speaker 1: and of course, before that, we have a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of serving dish to discuss. Joining me is Dianna Chang Deanna.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: You're looking alive today. It's a big Bravo day. How
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: you feeling feeling good?
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: Feeling energized?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, let's hit ourselves with some dish, serving dish.
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  Speaker 1: There was a rollout yesterday at an event called Hulu's
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  Speaker 1: Get Reel House, which is like the upfronts for Hulu,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, who knew. So this was a big deal
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of announcements were made and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of shows are coming our way, one of which is
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  Speaker 1: The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Orange County. None of
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  Speaker 1: the Mormon wives from the original Mormon Wives are in this.
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  Speaker 1: This is like a gaggle of what seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: like a couple dozen Mormon wives with several what looks
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  Speaker 1: to me like several sets of twins per each wife,
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  Speaker 1: so many kids. They are I am so excited about this.
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  Speaker 1: Don't ask me their names, you wouldn't know them. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there is one that we would know, and it's Macy's
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  Speaker 1: sister McCall. That's it. So there might be a little
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  Speaker 1: crossover there. I don't know, you know, all the rumors
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  Speaker 1: about jen is going to have a spin off, Macy's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be there, Whitney. I'm not sure where they land.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe they'll do like a Mormon Wives in
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles because they're not going to be an Orge County.
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  Speaker 1: They live in Orange County. Oh yeah, they live in
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  Speaker 1: Orange County. Yes, interesting, Yeah, I know I'm excited about that. Yeah. Right. Also,
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  Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, guess who's gonna be on it?
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  Speaker 1: Sierra and Maura ting ting ting Tin Tink she's going
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  Speaker 1: to be taking all around the dance floor.
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  Speaker 2: Diana is she ever? She's gonna I really need both
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  Speaker 2: of them to lock in and to stay a while,
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  Speaker 2: Like they can't go out first.
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  Speaker 1: I really really need them to stay at least a
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  Speaker 1: cup three three, at least three.
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  Speaker 2: Bear men, Like I can't have them in and out.
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  Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna stay because they have such
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  Speaker 1: a fan base that we're going to keep them. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: how far Ariana.
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  Speaker 2: Got but she was incredible. I thought she tore it
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  Speaker 2: up there. She did great. So I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: either of these two can dance. I feel they can basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, based on the fact that they've got charisma. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll just have to say for it. Hey, we just
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  Speaker 1: saw Sierra hanging off of a carousel at one of
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  Speaker 1: these summer house parties and she was very flexible, So
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to have a problem.
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  Speaker 2: So right there, you know, we're gonna give her some
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  Speaker 2: points and we're gonna hopefully no. But I think this
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  Speaker 2: is perfect. I think she's gonna have fun. It's it
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  Speaker 2: is the home of like, let's get It's like we
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  Speaker 2: were lifting in a track.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this was the next step. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think that this was even in the cards for
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  Speaker 1: her trajectory that we've thrown out there. Like I know,
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned put her on Love Island, have her host something,
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  Speaker 1: but the fact that Maura and Sierra, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: just going to be great, it's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be our girls. Really, Sia truly.
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  Speaker 1: Was not there for this announcement. She Mara was, but
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  Speaker 1: she was accepting this and excited about this. She was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in New York tying up unfinished business because the
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  Speaker 1: Summerhouse Reunion is filming today. Deanna filming today, I repeat,
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  Speaker 1: filming today. And we have a seating chart. I repeat,
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  Speaker 1: we have a seating chart. I've been waiting all morning. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we are looking at an unbelievable seating chart. And while
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  Speaker 1: we're speaking, there are probably tears falling from these people's
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  Speaker 1: eyes as we speak. There are fights happening right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's two o'clock in New York City. They
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  Speaker 1: are in the thick of it right now. So they're
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  Speaker 1: either yeah, they either just came back from a lunch
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  Speaker 1: break or they just probably went on a lunch break. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go, Okay, to Andy's right, to the right
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  Speaker 1: hand of the father is Sierra, and going down that
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  Speaker 1: side of the couch, we've got Kyle. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle's next to Sierra. Then we have Lindsay, Mia, Bailey,
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  Speaker 1: and Ben heading on.
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  Speaker 2: Over to Lindsey being right there seems odd to me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she has seniority, you know, you got to put
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  Speaker 1: her on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think she's like moved the needle like that though.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, you know, but they do that.
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  Speaker 1: They put the veterans up. They have to. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: that respect. I appreciate that. It is right. Those are
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  Speaker 1: all newbies below. Yes, okay, absolutely, I'm gathered. So then
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  Speaker 1: we head on over to the other side of the couch.
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  Speaker 1: Next to Andy, we have Amanda, then we have West,
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  Speaker 1: then we have Caral, and then we have Jesse kJ
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  Speaker 1: Dara and then Levi. So you're like, who is that again?
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  Speaker 2: Last?
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that also makes me laugh about these seating
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  Speaker 2: charts always is because I'm missing a tooth in the back.
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  Speaker 2: These are always the exact shape of my smile direct trays.
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  Speaker 1: Its direct you guys, this is Deanna's mouth. That is
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  Speaker 1: so cute them. Yeah. Yeah, you need another friend of
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  Speaker 1: back there, like you need to get another friend.
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  Speaker 2: These teeth I can't well.
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  Speaker 1: And to that point, it is to that point I
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  Speaker 1: say you get rid of Levi altogether. You don't need
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  Speaker 1: that one anyway. Who needs that? If you if you
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: look across, if you look at this seating chart and
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  Speaker 1: then you look at who's across from who, this is
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  Speaker 1: so deep, okay, because you have Amanda and Siara that
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: are across from each other. Then you have Kyle and West,
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  Speaker 1: then you have Carl and Lindsey that feels important, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then the rest it doesn't matter. But these six
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  Speaker 1: people is so deep.
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  Speaker 2: It's intense.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even leave this for quite Frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see Page pop in and bounce
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  Speaker 1: out Lindsey and get to work.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yes, I would love her to punch the
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  Speaker 2: clock because we desperately need her. And what what a
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  Speaker 2: fun thing to do. You know, what a fun way
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  Speaker 2: to flex your celebrity, to just be like, hi, no
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  Speaker 2: longer on the show. But what I am going to
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  Speaker 2: do is come in. I'm going to get a few
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  Speaker 2: words out, nice and clean, and I'm going to direct
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  Speaker 2: it at those two and there's two me because no
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  Speaker 2: one else can read them down like I can.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw Jesse on Watch What
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  Speaker 1: Happens Live.
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  Speaker 2: I saw some of it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Man to hear him say the answers to Andy's questions,
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  Speaker 1: which are like, when did you find out? I found
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: out when everyone else found out from that joint statement,
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: And he said that Amanda did apologize to him for
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: lying over and over again. He's like, I sat with
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: them with her for two hours and like basically she
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: lied to my face. Wow, And I was like, you
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  Speaker 1: just said two hours. That's very specific.
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  Speaker 2: And he's coming off great right now. I've got to
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: say the world is hurting him. You know, you never
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  Speaker 2: know who's gonna rise to the top. But yeah, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, he's really coming across as like last season
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  Speaker 2: he was sort of f boy dot com And now
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're looking great, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Yet up. I mean, truly he's lucky. Also, Kyle, who
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: would have thought Kyle would he's barely squeaking by, but
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: he's still looking good.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: You know what he could have looked like with that
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  Speaker 2: he was he was That's why reality is so insane. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just when you're gathering yourself and embracing down for the
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  Speaker 2: hatred you're gonna get because the marriage is over. Everyone's
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  Speaker 2: on Amanda side. They want to see her sore. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you are flipped it around and now here you are
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  Speaker 2: sitting pretty.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: Here you are sitting pretty. And his business is thriving
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: after all this that goes on. And Jesse on that
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  Speaker 1: same interview when he was on Watch Happens Live, said
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  Speaker 1: something like he had talked to Paige and he's like,
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: what did Page say? And he's like, uh, she gives
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: really good advice. And it was just laughter all around
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: because you can just imagine, okay. And so Mia from
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: Southern Hospitality was on Watch Happens Live last night and
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: she spilled some tea about the timeline because she went
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: out with West and she was like, yeah, I saw
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: Amanda at Bravocon in November and she told me that
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  Speaker 1: she pregamed with West before our date, which was in September.
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  Speaker 1: So West and Amanda have said publicly that the time
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: in which their relationship went from friends to love's was February.
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  Speaker 1: That's the time stamp that they're looking at. They're saying,
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  Speaker 1: February is when this happened, of twenty twenty six. So
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: you film last year, you're filming July August, you know,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: just kind of wrapping up into September because I can
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: never given you I got you, I got your back,
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: So they're filming July August, they're kind of wrapping up
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  Speaker 1: in September. So that's when I think things really started
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  Speaker 1: to heat up, is when West and Amanda were hanging
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  Speaker 1: out off, you know, outside of the summerhouse and if
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: they were pregaming before this date, that means like who
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: knows when it started? And so people are now saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it started way sooner. It's like that scandabal thing. When
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: did it start? When it we start? So she's basically
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: saying her receipts are that it was probably starting earlier
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: than they're saying. So that's out there.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, is there an argument for
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  Speaker 2: them to say, Well, if you guys, if he's going
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  Speaker 2: out on a date with another woman in September and
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  Speaker 2: Amanda is so on board that she's doing drinks and
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  Speaker 2: like pregaming with him, yeah, is there an argument that
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  Speaker 2: they weren't Yes, I agree together during the summer at all,
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  Speaker 2: even though what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 1: During the summer. Yeah, I don't think they were together
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: during the summer. Okay, see, I in my opinion, what.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's I went back and forth. Last
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  Speaker 2: night's episode, I was like, or the this week's episode,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: I was just like, huh, I wonder I could get
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: behind something happened, but it was like quick and it
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't full blown and it was like a kiss or
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: something like that. I'm like, you there a little hook
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  Speaker 2: up kind of.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: Like when they were in the bathroom and he I
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this, but like it was
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: on TikTok and I hate not being able to reference
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: content creators. But when he was comforting Amanda in the
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: bathroom of Kyle and Amanda's room, and he was like
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: she was crying and she's like I just never thought
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: I could do better than him than Kyle La La
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: la la. And he's talking very like quietly, well on
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: yeah this TikTok. They were like, why is West coming
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: in there with a sock? Sock would be to cover
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: the mic, so like, whoa, that's why When you said that,
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, did he like kind of get in
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: close and like kind of give her a little kiss?
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: Because remember when he came out and she was in bed,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, Amanda, I love you. It was like that's weird, right,
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  Speaker 1: So I could see them having like, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: little I don't know something, but still they're able to
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  Speaker 1: like back away from it. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, I'm
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  Speaker 1: with you with September. Could it have been officially happening,
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like maybe not officially officially,
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  Speaker 1: So they're never.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: Gonna tell us the Heather Gay on the on the
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  Speaker 2: case with her receipts. Yeah, you know, we really do.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: I would love to. Well, we're tapping in outside sources,
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: you know, we might need Heather Gay.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, it's so funny. It's just so
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: funny that, like a timeline is so important to us
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: because we don't want to get snowed by these people
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  Speaker 1: right under our very noses.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: But I mean, scandalmal in this girls are going to
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: have a hard time trusting one another. Like, honestly, this
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: is so diabolical to see it with our own eyes,
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  Speaker 2: to watch you getting hyped up by a friend and
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: supported and loved and meanwhile there like it is just
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: it's hard to believe.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: It is so intense. Now let's circle back to that momentarily. Okay,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Arianna and Sierra dropped a new commercial for Sonic where
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: they're sitting together and this is like the duo that
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: everybody's been waiting for, right right, and it's just very
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: basically like Ariana is like, so what's been going on? Oh? Nothing,
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  Speaker 1: said Sierra, nothing at all. Nothing, Oh no, nothing at
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  Speaker 1: all And they just enjoy their Sonics.
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  Speaker 2: So that's funny.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: That's cute, cute. It is super cute. Also in news
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  Speaker 1: is that but Stasy Schroeder is going to be premiering
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: her show in July on Hulu called House of Stassy,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: and it's co starring Katie Maloney. Thoughts on that not
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  Speaker 1: for me?
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: Is that for me? No, Stasy is not for me.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I don't go there with her. I'm sorry.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't know why. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to answer to it. I just don't care. I
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: don't care about Stassy and that is the truth for me.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: I don't I'm not buying what she's selling because, you
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: know what, I don't think it's expensive enough. I think
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: it's cheap. And I think that she wants me to
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: think something about her that I don't think. I said nothing.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I love it from a distance. Have had no real
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: problem with her existing in her world and all that stuff.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Why would I. Everyone's doing their own thing. But I agree,
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  Speaker 1: I won't be watching. She has her platform, and I
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: think she's got a really big following, I mean a
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: really huge following, so I think this is great for
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: her fan base. And I think vander pump Villa was
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: really an instrument to get her back into mainstream TV.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was such a huge piece of vander
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Pump Rules, so I think on one level, seeing her
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: in her regular routine might be an interesting watch if
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: you want to see it for a couple episodes and
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: then I think that's all that would It would garner
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: for me. But so that's going to be coming out
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: in July. There's a show that's coming out called The
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Mob and it's hosted by Parker Posey. It's a competition
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: show and you know what's going to be on it,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Joe Gorga talk about just what two of the craziest
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: names you never thought would be in the same sentence
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and put those together. Yeah, And vander Pump Villa Reunion
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  Speaker 1: is airing on April third. I think that's I think
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: that's all the stuff that we got out of that,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: out of this get real situation. Okay, Jersey. They began
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: season fifteen filming and guess where they reunited Teresa, Melissa
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and Dolores rail Steakhouse.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, that's exactly where i'd like to start where
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: we ended.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know the knives ails. Yeah, we's in.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Let's all be in the same room, Thank you very much.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's all. Anyway, that's all for news. I think
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it's important to move forward because we as we were
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: starting to dip into summerhouse and what we're talking about
• 17:45
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  Speaker 1: were saying, what a diabolical mess this is because on
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this episode, we are basically opening with Sierra on the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: bed with Mia and Amanda and they're comforting her because
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of the West situation and having him have this gal
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: on his lap and she's sitting right next to him
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and she's trying to recover from this because Wes doesn't
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: see Sierra what a jerk and Amanda says, I see you,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you are so seen, you are so loved, and you
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: deserve so much more respect. Keep it wow wow wow wow.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It's no words ambolical, it's it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this word is going to sound very harsh, but like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: is there a world that she's like a sociopath? There
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: is always a we allegedly keep that door open, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: because like sometimes socio Actually, yeah, I think it's sociopath.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of people who don't have empathy, like they don't,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: they can't, they just don't. Weren't born like that. Sometimes
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I think a sociopath actually doesn't have to be born.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: They can be kind of created by their environment. So
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that may not be applicable to her or whatever, but
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: she may.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Not be born that way.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: They can be born. Oh yes, I did see. This
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is the thing I'm like wondering.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: At least based on Like, okay, so that book, So
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's called sociopath. It was written by a
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: female oh not that long ago, really good book. WI
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: were interested in it. And she was definitely born like that, okay.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And she's a functioning human. She's a therapist, she was
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: in the music industry. She has kids and married and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: all of that, But you can't forget that she's a
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: sociopath and she is looking out for other sociopaths to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: be like, hey we can we need there's other ways
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to manage this. But in terms of having empathy, that
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: does not exist, right, And she was like that from
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: as a little girl. So her mom was like, like,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: what's happening? You know what I mean? But so I
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: think that there is a world. You know, I also
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: have seen so often when someone's been cheated on in
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: my friendships and things like that, people who are just
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: so die hard about like cheating is horrible and would
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: never do it, et cetera, et cetera. Once they've been
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: cheated on, they do cheat.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: The floodgates are opened.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: There is something I think psychologically where you want to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: gain that power back.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. So she could just be
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: in that place, just be broken and you know the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: pain that I mean, she's been through it with Kyle,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Like she really has been through it with this guy.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And this doesn't excuse anything. I'm just trying to wrap
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: my head around it because after that scene last night,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: it's bad. You just kind of think it was so
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: recent that even her saying these words, and it was
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: such a slow burn to know that they were slowly
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: but surely making their way towards each other. And I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: excluding West from this right now because yeah, we're looking
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: at the friendship that we see here and you just think, wow,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: they have a really true friendship. And yeah, it's like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: how how would Amanda. I'm just dying to hear what
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: she's gonna say on this reunion because they are together.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: They were out last night. West and Amanda were out
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: like at a movie, like they're so are they gonna
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: what are they gonna do? Just keep this relationship going?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: And then he's gonna he's gonna move on.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I will say this just we're always looking at how
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the public reacts to things, and part of being a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: historian of these shows, you're you're watching everything from every angle.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And I will say I have learn from them because
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: once you I feel they have taken the air out
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of the hunt for them by just being out and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: about with each other, Like there is a that is
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a move and it is a pr related or whatever.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: If you're going to be together and you are together,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: go do it, because then it does like people are
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: hunting you and crazy. Right now that you've kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: taken control of that, it does take the energy out
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of it, at least in my opinion, I think you're right,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: which I'm like, all right, you know, because we're going
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to do like goo there together, Like okay, right, there
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they go.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny when people were like, oh,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: when Amanda had her statement that she's going to move
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: on and live a life, they were like, so, I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: guess that means she's going to go out with West
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And I thought, well, it never didn't say that. I mean,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. I think that is what
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: she was saying. I'm going to live my truth. So
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: she either just felt I think she fell so hard
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: in love with him and at the same time has
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: no feeling whatsoever for how she would hurt another person
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and is sacrificing that friendship for this person beyond.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's why she is like that cool girl,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: pick me girl who kind of craves attention and wants
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to be like her priority is dudes at the end
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: of the day. Like I think that she presents as
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a girl's girl, but right being a girlfriend and being
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: a cool girl to the guy I think is more
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: of her.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Felt, well, it's a girl's girl like by default because
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of the situation that they're in a summerhouse and they're
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: kind of forced to be around each other and make
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: connections and have these feelings of friendship and stuff like that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But when she went to she and Kyle went to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the dog rescue to help West, and they had that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: conversation where she's like, you've been such a great friend
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to me, like all summer, like been there for me,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and it's really hard to see how you're treating Sierra.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It just felt like you would believe her. I'm just like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I totally believe her in this moment. So is it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: possible that she really does mean all of this and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that she then she just completely fucked up?
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I don't buy that entirely. I think they had something
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: cooking over the summer. I will go pretty hard in
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: on that. Like, I think that because it was a cover,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: it also could have been a cover because she's still
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: married yeah to Kyle, so they may have used this
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: thing as a cover so they could kind of hang out.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an excuse. It's like why she went
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: over to him and said, like, can I get in here?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: When you're doing let me ask you this. So I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: really was. I dissected pretty hard the last scene, you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: between Sierra and West, when all of a sudden we
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: got some cello music. I was like why, And I thought,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is it because West is so sleepy that they needed
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to like really bring in the big guns of the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: of the music to help this situation out. But so
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the way I dissected that, first of all, Sierra is
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: such an incredible soul, from the scene at the very
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: beginning to this scene with West to the psychic scene
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: with Mia. She is Yes, she is like the the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: friend that's.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Like show, don't tell, you're showing me. You know, she's emotional,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: she's with her friend, she's there, she has support. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you need to talk about it. She's doing it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: That's real and she shares her real feelings all the time.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And like when she's talking to West, you'd think I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: really had no judgment for her being stuck still being
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: stuck kind of in love with him. You see this,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: she's kind of still in love with him. She is
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: still love and I have zero judgment for that. She's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: super young. He did a number on her, like he's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: done tons of women. When he is like saying, I
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: don't like bringing her to his home, he just thinks
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that's like, no big deal because he's probably brought so
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: many girls there, right. But for someone who isn't just
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: any other any bimbo, you know that you can walk
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: through your parents' house and walk out and then they're
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: just gonna not care. She is a deeply feeling person
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: who had very deep feelings for him, and he really
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: does not did not see that, just thinks everything is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: such a whim and he's there for a good time,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: not a long time. And for him to acknowledge that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: he didn't see the weight of that, I thought was important.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So then to think, like she said, two years of
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: nothing being said, and I was like, oh my god,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it has been so long and we're still here. So
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: that's why even the last week I was like, I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: had no problem with West having a girl in his lap,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and I still don't. I really don't like her. Not
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: moving on from him is not his problem. Him being
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: insensitive and having that girl in his lap is such
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a dick move. That's straight up the facts. But also
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: they haven't it's been two years, right, So that being said,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: she has not moved on, she still has feelings for him,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and this whole discussion, it was him trying to make
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: sure that she knew we are going to be friends
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: if you want me to be friends. But I friend
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: zoned you years ago. You've never moved out of that spot,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: and you're going to stay there because my eyes are
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: on Amanda. That's how I saw it. Everything he said
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: was like he cleared up the speaking to the press.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: See that to me? Yeah, that speaking to I was
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: like all cap screaming with the press thing. Because that's
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to me where if I were Sierra and if I
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: was her friend, I would scream to her every day.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Put this dude in your rear view. He went as
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a first time cast member, somehow managed to make a statement.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Was it like the New York Times or something along
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: those lines, Yeah, tearing you down and your experience, like
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: he is not to be trusted.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: No, stop, he.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: It's insane. What measures he took. His only goal in
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: life is to move around so he can feel as
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: comfortable to do whatever he wants.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: That's the problem with her, Yeah, is that she's holding
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: him accountable for these big sweeping moves and gestures. For
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that when they were.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Dating, and so like this best friend thing. I'm like,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: that's not a best.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Friend bullshit, I'll be your best friend tomorrow.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: She still loves him, and it's hard, I know, because
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: she's going about it like he's such.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: A player, like he his swagger and his charm is
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: like insurmountable to her and to many other people, I think,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: including Amanda.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Lord, have mercy, I know, but like we're all.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Sitting together, ladies, we're also not there at it when
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: he's saying and doing like right, we have, we have
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: been there.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, let's let's get it. Let's gather ourselves. Okay,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: he's getting wasted and he's and we're having real serious
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: feelings and conversations about this, like goofball. You know, yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: guys who who who are players? They don't have to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: they're so available to be your best friend, fun with
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: you and all of that, because they're just it's light
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and breezy. They're going to be here and they're going
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: to be gone. He's not your best friend.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And I also thought he really put it back on
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: her for why he said that in the in the article.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You know, he was like, you weren't talking to me
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you weren't communicating, And I was like, ooh,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: he's like I felt under attack. I was defending myself
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and why wouldn't I try to distance myself from someone
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: whoever everyone is accusing me of treating poorly. And I thought,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that's no, that's not the answer. You don't. You can
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: distancer yourself from that person. It doesn't mean you need
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to insult them and humiliate them in the public. So
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I thought that he really and then she responded in like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: she's like the kindest person and this is where it's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a problem, and this is where she has to work
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: on this stuff. I've had to work on it too, Sierra.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: So like, I see, I see you, she says, I
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: take accountability for not being there for you when you
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: needed it. It's like, no, Sierra, you don't need to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: fucking take accountability for anything for him. And then I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: also appreciated her saying, this wouldn't be the case if
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: we didn't have all these cameras and the fans. It
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: would be a lot simpler. It would be maybe a
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: little more simpler, but I don't know, I think it
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: would be the same. I think that people wouldn't know
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: about it. But she would still be feeling the same way. Yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: and she would be still in this limbo position, not
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: being able to get over him until she got the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Tom Sandoval tree. And now she's going to go on
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and move forward with her life.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: But Amy, can I just tell you one thing that's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: just coming up for me right now is like, let's okay,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: so he's a good time Charlie. I've used that phrase
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: only here. Okay, that's the only time I say good
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: time Charlie is here on the show.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: He's a good time Charlie. I don't know why, it
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: just view it's And he's fun. You're having a great
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: time with him. He's this great like best friend. You're connecting.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: He knows about that. But we cannot, in one hand
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: hold that he's fun and light and silly and cool
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and when he's back is against the wall a little bit,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: he goes to the press in such a significant and
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: extreme way for a takedown piece on you. Those two
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: things we cannot square away. You have to see that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: that is who he is.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: That's who he is.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Not if he is light, bright and fun, that person
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't do that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: So he is not.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: This sort of frivolous person. He's a person who when
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: who makes takes big swings and makes big, big moves.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's very he's reckless and free and he's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: just swinging that d all around town. Yeah. So he's like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I see you more. And that's when those cellos started up.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And then that he said that I'm like this.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: He knows that he knows. I know. I thought it
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: was so manipulated, and she was like, that's all I wanted.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And then here's where this is where he is planning
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and wanting to make sure he plants the seeds properly
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: because here he knows he knows that he could get
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: her back at any second. Yeah, he knows that, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: he does not want her to think that he will
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: ever do that again because his eyes are on Amanda.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: So he has to say, you know, I'm happier when
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: we communicate like he wants to be. He wants to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: bring her in as a friend and she free to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: be and he's like, we should move forward to whatever
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: boundaries you want. And he's saying instead of him saying
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I want boundaries of making sure that we're friends, I'm
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: going to put it on you, yep, because that's the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: easy way out. She's got to do the work. And
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, you have your boundaries so that
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I have all my excuses later if in fact I
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: get with another girl, or if I even get with Amanda, whatever,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that I have said that you're the one who wants boundaries,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and we have decided that we are friends, friends and stop,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: full stop. I could be your best friend tomorrow and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that's all will ever be. Can we just be friends again?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: She said? And then she says, I knew. He goes,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I knew you weren't going to make out with Jesse.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: They're having a light moment and she's like, I'm pissed
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that you said you didn't care. Here we are again.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You're now friends, and you're still vying for this guy.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And he goes, what was I going to do? Save me?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: She was waiting for him this whole time. She's been
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: waiting for him last summer. She was waiting for him
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: this past summer, and he moved on. And the only
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: reason I believe now when he was scooching over to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: her that night when it was like the spin the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: bottle thing, is because Amanda kissed Kyle, and he was
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: they're playing games. They're playing games in our faces and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in their faces, and they think it's like innocent because
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: nothing will really happen because she's married. But they pushed
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: it to the limit.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Yep, No, it's yeah, it's the ultimate like game.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: It's the ultimate sex game. For somebody like West who
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: seems like a sex addict or at least addicted to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the game of women and the way that he can
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: play and have his way, this is the ultimate.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even that go, Mia was like, we had fun,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Like he's a fun guy. You're gonna have a good
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: time with him. But it's dangerous if you have a
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: feeling bubble up. Oh my god, Amy, I can't take it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like thinking about his childhood because I'm wondering if
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he I know he played football, and I know he
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: was he seems like in high school he may have
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: been popular, But I'm thinking about his early childhood. Did
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: he have some major self esteem issues with like stuff,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and then when he got to high school, Yeah, he
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: was able to turn that around because when you have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: inadequacies or self esteem issues, you lean into something and like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: for example, humor, and he became like the funny guy right, right,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: So now he can get all these gals this way.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: So he's making up for maybe he was bullied, maybe
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: he who knows what issues he had when he was
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: really young. That's what I want to know, because this
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: is coming from somewhere.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: And listen, you know he's young enough, like you can
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: be in your player phase and be but you, but
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: then you can't bring people home and then you can't
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: like have these deep He's playing both sides. That's where
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: it gets really tricky. Like that guy who was on
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: last year who was a legitimate sex addict. He was
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: very that's that's that's such an extreme version. But he
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: made no bones about it, right, Like he did not
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: he was not trying to see people and have relationships.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: He's in it for sex or like a good time.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Like if you set it up at the top and
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: you're like, I'm not looking for anything, just know that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: But if that works for you, yeah, let's go out
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and have fun. You know, I don't really have a
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: problem with that. Especially he's like is he in his
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: early thirties, he's still in that zone. Yeah, it's not
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: a crime, but it's this other stuff.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: But it's where because this is next level, like this
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is on TV, this is involving somebody and not to mention.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And I know that we haven't even talked too much
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: about this, but when this all came out, I thought,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: oh my god, like they just they had this conversation
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: about supporting Sierra as one of the first black women
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: on this in the Summer House and how she feels.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: She basically said, I don't want to be fetishized by
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you guys, and that's how I kind of feel like
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: you all want to experience me and that's making me
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: feel weird and very used and you don't understand like
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: what I deal with from a race perspective. And then
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the interracial thing and then the DMS she's getting, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: then it's like they had this conversation about we support you,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and then it's like she got fucking played again by
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: like her best friend. Yeah, it's really sickening like that.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: There's that whole other aspect of it that puts it
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: at another level.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: She's communicated all of this, you know, and they don't care.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just shit all over her. They just shit
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: all over her.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: It's insane. She will, I do feel she will in
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: like a year. Year, she's going to turn a page
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know that things that take a long time.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be a year?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I think that she's going to watch this back and
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: have her reunion in all of this and feel all
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the love, and I think that she will turn a
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: page on this, this way of this. Looking at these
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: types of guys, I do, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I think that, like they are easier when you don't
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: feel you're worth more.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I feel so sad, you know what I mean. I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: feel really sad for her. I'm wondering what's happening at
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the reunion, Like, yeah, if Amanda's.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Is he going to speak or is he going to
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: sit there like this? Because if he sits there like this,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: then I'm going to get physical with him, Like that's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: when I'm going to flip him on the street.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't know how he's going
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: to yeahpen like he can barely speak and articulate with
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: his emotions, let alone an entire reunion that will be
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: about him. Kyle. I hope Kyle gets fucking angry. That's
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: what I want. I want to see Kyle angry. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: want to see Sierra strong, empowered and read them for filth. Yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and I want to see from Amanda. I fell in
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: love with him and I have no regrets. I here,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: here's why, because that's the only way we can move
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: get to the other side of this is if we
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: move through it. And she says, there's nothing else I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: can say other than I could not control my emotions
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and I've never felt this way about somebody. And I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: was lost and confused in my marriage and he was
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: there for me, and it may have been a bad decision,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't help myself.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Listen, she could say all of that, but what she
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: didn't do was have a conversation about that with a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: man with us Sierra. And therein lies where you can
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: have feelings come up, you can say, but you still
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: have to say to the person, this is insane. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: don't even know how to say this to you. But
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I'm having feelings for Wes and I think I'm going
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: to move forward with them, and I just want to
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: give you the respect.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I know it's not easy, but guess what, but which
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't change anything, It would it would does.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Actually, it changes it gives the person. Yeah, it's actually,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: at least you gave her the respect of having the conversation,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: because if you fell in love with him and you're
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: going forward, you know this is going to come out,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: so you're comfortable with it. Just slap her across the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: face whenever it comes out.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It is the wrong thing to do, and it is
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the childish and immature and like stupid thing to do,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and she should All the repercussions that come with that
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: are like, yeah, why didn't you have a conversation with her?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Thank listen. Maybe we'll find out she did. We don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: know yet.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Oh she sure is heldn but we'll see.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's something we don't know. But that's like, you
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: have a real relationship with Sierra.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at least we thought, well you do
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: you do well?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Then if you don't, then that's psycho.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, where do we land with Hannah Berner? And
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: because I wasn't really dropped into her drama with Amanda,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: does this give us anything to Hannah's side or do
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: we just stay neutral? We don't care.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even remember what their issues were,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: but it does The page is definitely going to be there, Yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: big time. Points, big time points, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's all that we can really discuss right now.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I just I hope there's some leaks. I never want
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: leaks from reunions, but I really want some leaks from
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: this because I can't wait.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: When do we know we have an air date? Is
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: it the mess meek or no? This isn't the season, so.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: It'll probably be Yeah, it'll probably two or three weeks.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: That's my guess.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: That's far, I know, very far.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okays, all right, we have to wrap that up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just really not. But basically,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: we have Danny and Jason finally meeting up at the
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  Speaker 1: cigar bar, and Danny kicks it up by saying, I'm
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  Speaker 1: having a scotch because I don't want to be labeled
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  Speaker 1: by anyone at the table, to which Jason says, I
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  Speaker 1: apologize for how I handled it emotionally. I'm very protective
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  Speaker 1: of my wife. Danny says, I'm not here to be
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  Speaker 1: friends with you. Jason. Quite frankly, I'm in the same boat.
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  Speaker 1: Luke was a pretty good mediator, I have to say.
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  Speaker 1: I I was happy with the way that he handled
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the situation because at least we got from A to
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: B to C. And Luke said, the terminology used on
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a boat in MAUI hasn't been apologized for and hasn't
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: been backed up. So we got that flashback to Janet saying, yes,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I said out loud that he's sexually assaulted Jasmine and
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Michelle and Kristen's like okay, okay, And then Jason says,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I told Janet I wish she hadn't used that kind
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: of word, and she feels the same way about that too,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And I thought, well, that's that's kind of a big
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: thing to say, right, So Danny kind of laughed it
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: off like well, I mean, which I thought. I know
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have the capability to probably do it at
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that point, but if I were him, I would have say,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: you did, like tell me more please, because that's kind
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of like what we need. That's all he's wanted this
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: whole time was for someone to say, I wish I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: didn't mean to use those words, and he was kind
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: of giving him that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, so he did he grab Jasmine's ass. Yeah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: like that is technically it is. So they didn't use
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: a word that is wrong. No, they didn't, And so
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: there is that And I understand, especially for like gen
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: X and above, like it's we're like, yes, a big deal, right, right,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: but that is sexual assault?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: No, it is. We all are in agreement about that,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: But so it's what is our argument, then, Danny, I
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: understand that that's hard to hear, and I understand that
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: you don't want to hear it and that you don't
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: want that label. And that's fair that you don't want
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: that label. But you could also say, I actually am
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: really now fully aware of that is that does fall
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: under the category of sexual assault, which is so painful
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: for me. But you guys doubling tripling down on that sucked.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're like we're just like, yeah, batting around
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: not you know, as if that's not what happened. I agree,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think Danny got more than he
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: even probably thought I thought he was even ever going
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: to get. I think he should have jumped on that
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: and said thank you and like took the bone and
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: ran with it. Is what I should see, what I
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: think and totally But if he did say what you
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: just said, what he could have done, the headlines would
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: have been, Danny accepts sexual assault responsibility. And that's just
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that's rep that's life ruining, and that's what that's the
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: levity of this is. I'm sorry, net Levity, that's the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: that's the way of this because you're on TV and
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: you have a family and a life, and so when
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: someone labels you sexual assaulting somebody you also have, you
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: could get in trouble with the law because if the law,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: if the sheriff comes from saying Clarita, yeah.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Clarita knocks on your door.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But so I think that's why he's not going
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to admit it.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: But he has admitted it though, So it's like we're
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: in a space that's like la la land, because whether
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: you say it out loud and proud or not, like
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: that is what happened.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe his point is he's apologized to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Jasmine and her partner multiple times right off camera on camera,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: like all this stuff, and so that's I don't know
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: how we put this to bed, but here's my here.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: We are beef with him for this whole scene. And
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I hear you like yes to tap too, Yes, and
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: what you're saying about he should have just taken that bone. Yeah,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: he's coming in arrogant. Yes, I'm so sorry, buddy with love.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: You are not interesting enough, significant enough, or have enough
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: time under your belt.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: To get to not talk to people on the cast, right. Sorry,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you're You're absolutely right, No, thank you. It's not going
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to like that because when we're watching this show, I
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: was thinking last time, I'm like, how are we gonna
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: how are we going to get through this? I'm really
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: enjoying Kristin and her parenting journey. I think it's very
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: vulnerable and transparent. That scene with Jasmine and Kristen and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Brittany at the restaurant and Kristin was just bereft and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: the salad. I just I felt so bad for her
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: because you know, she has all this outside pressure and
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: you know, the weight of the world, her being so
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: feeling so uncomfortable in her body. It's just so real
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and just feel bad. You know, you just want to
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: hug here and be like, oh, you're beautiful, You're doing
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: so good.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: And she does look beautiful, Like she actually does look
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: forgeous right now. You know that's the irony of it all,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: as she really looks beautiful.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I mean her going out and being like I, you
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: can't be hung over and wake up in the morning
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: and take care of a baby, like that's not an option,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: just like this is Kristin Doty. It's just fun to
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: see it, is I agree.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I thought that it's just so it does still feel
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: like a crime to have cameras rolling this soon, Yeah, yeah,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Like I just am like, oh, I feel you on
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: that now.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Like I as much as I appreciate the transparency, I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: am starting to feel like too vulnerable for her, and
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I do feel like it is too soon, So I
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: give you that one hundred percent.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: But I did think like Jasmine wasn't getting it around
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: that table. She wasn't understanding where Kristen was coming from,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: because Christin's like, I am completely uncomfortable in my body,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and Jasmine's like, and if you want to do more
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: of this like getting out and like, and she was like,
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying is I never want to leave my
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  Speaker 2: house again. This is not helpful. I don't like it here.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I want to be home. She was like, so anytime, girls,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, Jasmine.
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  Speaker 1: You're not no. I know. I thought that was really funny,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and Brittany's like, okay, girl, You're gonna be fun just fine.
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  Speaker 1: Because Brittany had to deal with the whole other slew
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like right, feeling uncomfortable in her body was like the
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  Speaker 1: least of her worries when she had her baby because
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: of Jack, So she can't fully drop into that either,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: and uh.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Write, neither of them were like fully now what she
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: was dealing with.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Schwartz being set up with Natalie and then having
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that nail salon tech just bounce in and like lollipop
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: cock block. That situation was so busy are and very unexpected,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and the cast being like what the hell, Laala being
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: like she just dropped in.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: And didn't leave, and like this girl. Did producers bring
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: her in?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I feel like they didn't. I don't know, I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: could be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: She got very cozy with Lala and Michelle. I'm like,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: was she mic up happening?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't remember now, but it's possible. When
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: she was at the nail salon she said to the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: producers when she was like, don't yeah, can I s
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: where are you guys going to be tonight for real?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh my god, totally show up, like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: totally show up.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wonder just because she's sidled and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: like Lala is not a presence of welcoming presence, so
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: to not catch the vibes of like by Year. They
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: were fully saying you know this shit. See the thing
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: made me laugh, like they were like, get out of here,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: owning everything.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean she knew that he was being
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: set up.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: It was weird but kind of funny. That was like
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed that. I enjoyed the watching Schwartz terribly attempt
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: to navigate. I mean, his game, he's so lucky, he's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: cute because his game is.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah around, Yeah, it's never going to get there. Well,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Kristin and Luke at the very end agreeing on their
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: couple's night to go to couples counseling was interesting and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I love that Kristin was like, I don't want to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: fight around kaya, so We're going to go out and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: have our argument here and I'm going to leave this bar.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: But then also it is interesting. I didn't realize that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: they weren't really getting along that well because you hear
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: about oh, what before she like when she was pregnant
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: ding and now after and she's saying, like, you've complained
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: this whole time, and I thought you were going to
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: leave me, And I was like, oh geez, this is
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: not good. So I'm going I'm glad there goes. I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: don't care for him. Yeah, he's rubbing me the wrong way.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I haven't ever cared for him. He throw I skeeve him,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: and so that's just I don't see them as a match.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'm just worried because I don't
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: if she loves him. I really want them to work
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: it out, so sure, a little.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Bit, but I am concerned, very concerned by the way
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: they were at I'm like this bar looks familiar. Ye
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: when it pound outside to the Foxfire, Like this show
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: is bringing me deep cuts, like this is such a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: hole in the wall in the valley that it is
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: because I haven't been there probably like it's a you
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be there, you know what I mean. It's such
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: a it's kind of a I feel like a man
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: bar and it's like in the valley and it's just
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: a deeper cut, you know. It's just such a hole in.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: The walst places they're going too.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like whoa, we're at the Firefox. Okay, as
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: like bringing back memories, I mean, weird.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. I saw that sign and I was like,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: don't recognize it?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like my friends who lived over there, and so
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: that's a place I went to several times, you know.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: But but it just as like a I don't know,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: it's just wouldn't be somewhere. But Kristen has that in
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: her though. I feel like she's most comfortable.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I think it like a Firefox, you know, I like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: a hole in the wall kind of bar, you know,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I can it reminds me of very Detroit adjacent Yeah,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: like there's that time. Yeah all right, well listen what
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: a journey we've had today. Thank you for going sitting
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: through all this stuff with me, Diana Chang. Also, I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: had the pleasure of being a guest on your podcast,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: your offshoot podcast with Bitch Sash.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guest hosting. They Casey and Casey Wilson and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Danielle Schneider have a show called Bitch Sash and under
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: the umbrella of that show, which is called their umbrella,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: is called Garbage World, they're doing something called rewind Sash.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: So they're bringing in this is the second installment and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: they're bringing in people to host the season.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: So we are.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going back and looking at real Housewoves of New
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: York's season three, the Scary Island season Wow, and Amy
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: was kind enough to come and she got this, you know, honored,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: so that the actual Scary Island episodes and wow. Is
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: it like, guys, if you want to make your way
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: over to garbage World dot com. Great, if you just
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: want to watch those episodes again, I got There's so
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: much history in season three. It is the season of
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: our lives. It's like we are these are the foundational
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: blocks that make up who we are, and it's just part.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Of our DNA it is.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: It's why we're here today.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Truly is so crazy. Well, thank you for having me
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: That was so fun. It was really fun.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you and you guys. You can follow Deanna chang
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: at DNA m chang over on Instagram and you can
• 1:05:21
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• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to you guys. Bye, Drama Darling. Drama
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