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Football at Four: Are the Rams Clearly Better Than The Eagles? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: at four on this Wednesday edition of the Sports Batch
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  Speaker 1: comes to you out there a lot of Eagle stuff
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  Speaker 1: this week. We've had Jeff on the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: days with some mailbag stuff answering your listener questions, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those questions have to do with Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 1: So let's start there with Adam Kaplan. Today, Jeffrey Simmons,
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  Speaker 1: Adam scored that big one hundred million dollar deal. What
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  Speaker 1: are the Eagles thinking about that deal when they see
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  Speaker 1: that deal gets signed and the future of their talented
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Mike, Honestly, if Jalen Carter, I'm gonna boil it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a crystal version of the reality
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  Speaker 2: of the situation, which I told our Atron members last Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: I meet with us folks tomorrow night. I can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: We meet every week, We do this all year, and
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  Speaker 2: I give him stuff. You know, majority of stuff we
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  Speaker 2: never told we is high level information. We don't talk
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  Speaker 2: about our regular shows. But I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 2: some stuff here, Mike. If Jalen Carter did not have
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  Speaker 2: the problem with the shoulder injury, we would not even
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  Speaker 2: be talking about Jaalen Carter because it still will get
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  Speaker 2: done by training camp without even a thought. But the
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  Speaker 2: problem is, Mike, you now have this. Simmons Steels is
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  Speaker 2: done his his latest extension right. He's a great football player.
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  Speaker 2: Not to take it. Jalen Carter may be more talented,
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  Speaker 2: but the better football player so far has been Simmons.
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  Speaker 2: Just that's the way it is. But Carter, as we
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  Speaker 2: reported at the time of him being drafted, what we
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  Speaker 2: were told is still as true. There was not a
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  Speaker 2: question on a shoulder injury that he'd be able to
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  Speaker 2: have a long That was not the issue. The issue
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  Speaker 2: was would it be situation, would it be nagging? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Could be problematic yes. So that's what happened, Mike. He
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  Speaker 2: was not himself last He didn't have a bad season,
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  Speaker 2: but it was not himself he had He had he
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  Speaker 2: took uh. You know, we believe he got some work
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  Speaker 2: done on those shoulders, not surgery, but with a recording
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. He got some stuff
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  Speaker 2: to reduce the swelling. That's why you enough surgery. So
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  Speaker 2: here we are data. Eagles don't know how well he's
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  Speaker 2: going to play this season, so there's no con You
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  Speaker 2: can look at Simmons contract and Drew Rosnalds, his agent,
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  Speaker 2: could say, hey, that's what I want. But guess what
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  Speaker 2: if you're deal is what You're not going to do
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  Speaker 2: that until you know. You're not going to know Mike.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna know about Jail and Carter, how great
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be again, if he can be great
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  Speaker 2: again until he does it. So's it's complicated. It's has
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with what it should look like. It's
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  Speaker 2: what what can you do to make him happy right now?
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  Speaker 2: Because if you're the Eagles, you're not doing Simmon's contract.
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  Speaker 2: Its dimona thought because of the shoulders. That's where they're at.
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  Speaker 1: Right So if that's if that's the case, I know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people have been excited about hearing about
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  Speaker 1: Max Crosby. There was a report out of Vegas that
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles of the word was nuclear on Max Crosby.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're not sure that you want to sign him,
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  Speaker 1: do you think about moving him?
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna this is you know, we've used this for
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  Speaker 2: nine years and never say never phrase, which we started
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  Speaker 2: twenty two with Harry Roseman. How he looks he's already
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  Speaker 2: trade He's already traded away AJ Brown. Okay, they're best receiver.
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  Speaker 2: I no, we love DeVante Smith, but a J hit
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  Speaker 2: better football player. I mean, let's put this way, AJ Dustin.
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  Speaker 2: Could DeVante really can't do? But DeVante does, say could
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  Speaker 2: do something for me? AJ can't do, but AJ is
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  Speaker 2: more explosive. But so you're trading him, and then you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna consider trading Carter. They're not trying to get worse mine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I know some people say, how
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  Speaker 2: can they be better without AJ Brown? Well, as we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about Michae when your show many times, there are
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  Speaker 2: some ways you could alleviate that issue by schematics, information variation,
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  Speaker 2: personnel groupings. There are things you can do right, as
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  Speaker 2: we talked about like the Chiefs did when they trade
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  Speaker 2: Awake Tyreek Kill. They actually won two Super Bowls without him.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think that could happen, but it did. So
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  Speaker 2: talking about your question about Max Crosby, it's not that
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  Speaker 2: Max Crosby is holdly. He's not even thirty yet. He's
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  Speaker 2: he's got the needs of a fifty year old. Max
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  Speaker 2: is very open and some of the interviews he's done,
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  Speaker 2: he's had I believe double digit surgeries in his career
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  Speaker 2: in his football playing career with his knees, so or
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, he's had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of work done. He talked to it, he's been very
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  Speaker 2: open on it. So, Mike, there's a reason. Look, we
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  Speaker 2: can debate whether whether the Ravens got cold feet with
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  Speaker 2: Crosby first, Okay, but the fact of the matter is
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  Speaker 2: he didn't pass a physical. They didn't like what they saw.
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  Speaker 2: It was a long term problem. They they were wearing
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  Speaker 2: in a year or two, they would he would have
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  Speaker 2: been no problem playing for the season after his latest issue,
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  Speaker 2: he'd be ready for the season. They get through it,
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  Speaker 2: but they didn't know if he gets to year three, Like,
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  Speaker 2: you're not that desperate that you're just saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get him for two years, then we'll cut him.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's not why you make a trade, so it's
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  Speaker 2: not realistic. They already made. They replaced the money with
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips with John Gerdard. The money, the money can
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  Speaker 2: be up to it's up to thirty money. It's twenty
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  Speaker 2: five million. It's the base package, and he can make
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  Speaker 2: up to thirty million if he hits everything with the incentives.
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  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is, Mike, it's unrealistic. We never
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  Speaker 2: say never with Hollie talking to people were for Howie
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  Speaker 2: over the years. When they have a plan and then
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  Speaker 2: he gets he gets desperate, set the word. He gets
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  Speaker 2: very excited. He goes, jeez, I feel like I gotta
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  Speaker 2: do this. So you're never seeing every with Allie. I
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  Speaker 2: don't see it. I don't see it. It's want to say,
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  Speaker 2: if Max Chrisman is twenty five, completely different, so different story.
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  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplain Football for Inside the Birds podcast. Make sure
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  Speaker 1: you check that out on all podcasting platforms. The Rams
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  Speaker 1: made a big move for a pass rusher. They went
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  Speaker 1: out and got Miles Garrett. They seem to be the
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  Speaker 1: overall favorite in not only the NFC but in the
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  Speaker 1: league right now. So let me get your take on
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  Speaker 1: where we are right now with them. Getting Garrett and
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  Speaker 1: the look the Joe I twenty eighth is gonna be
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  Speaker 1: here before we know it. You said last week, five
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  Speaker 1: weeks away. There we are, We got the date of
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  Speaker 1: training camp.
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  Speaker 3: Do we look at the Eagles as a legit challenger
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  Speaker 3: to that Rams team?
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  Speaker 2: See, it's funny, Mike, you bring this up because you
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  Speaker 2: know when people hear you praise it like this, What
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  Speaker 2: are you talking about, Sirianne's never lost to the rounds. Well, folks,
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  Speaker 2: let me just explain something to you. If you don't
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  Speaker 2: follow the NFL closely, Mike, just talk about Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the only big move. That was the monster move.
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  Speaker 2: So they were a bad corner last season. It's one
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  Speaker 2: of these things. And I gotta give Chris Shula, the
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  Speaker 2: grandson of the great, late great Don Shula, credit. He's
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  Speaker 2: done a phenomenal job work with really not a very
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  Speaker 2: good cornerback group. Well, they they screwed, They screamed uncle,
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  Speaker 2: they gave up. They said, you know what, We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: make a monster trade for Trent McDuffie, pay over thirty
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  Speaker 2: one million per season. The fact what they did is
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  Speaker 2: they brought in both chiefs of all things Chiefs starting
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  Speaker 2: corners Trent McDuffie they traded for. They signed Jailing Watson,
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  Speaker 2: very underrated former seventh round pick. He's got good lens.
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  Speaker 2: Mc duffy will play corner, which is an apt side
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  Speaker 2: position to play some nickel. You mentioned Miles Garrett. Miles
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  Speaker 2: Garrett is a young thirty. He turns thirty one. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have Jailing Carter's problems with his shoulders. Man, He's
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  Speaker 2: said a little bit of lower body stuff, but he
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  Speaker 2: is unbelievable. He's surefire Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The one problem the Rams have is up the middle.
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  Speaker 2: They're still small. Punaford is five to eleven, but he's
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  Speaker 2: got thirty five in charms. Kobe Turner a really good
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  Speaker 2: de tackle, not a big guy, very small and inside
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  Speaker 2: back or they play a thirty four front. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: if the Eagles, if they're blocking, finally, Mike, if they
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  Speaker 2: could block for the run game, they're gonna run on them.
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  Speaker 2: But let me tell you something, you're not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: able to throw on them like he used to. And
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  Speaker 2: they're very very good at safety with both cams, Cam
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  Speaker 2: Kitchens and Cam Curl and Quentin Lako I met at
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Remember, remember is Dad Corn in LA
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  Speaker 2: safety for the Steelers. Quentin told me he plays a
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  Speaker 2: high hybrid brawl. So they're gonna be great in the secondary.
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  Speaker 2: They've got the passwords with the other Byron Young by
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  Speaker 2: the way, the addresser bying Young and Miles Garrett and
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  Speaker 2: then Stafford still lead. But then their problem is, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have a number three receiver. They'll add one.
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  Speaker 2: They know they need to do that. They're super deep
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  Speaker 2: at tight end. Do you gotta give Sean McVay credit, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know if you know this.
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  Speaker 2: They led the NFL and thirteen personnel, which is three
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  Speaker 2: tight ends sets. Isn't that ridiculous. They used to leave
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  Speaker 2: the NFL in eleven personnel. They don't do that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So I give Sean McVeigh credit. Completely changed it. Shot
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  Speaker 2: the world last season. Our Greg co self couldn't believe
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  Speaker 2: when he was watching, you put us on this very early.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, I didn't see this coming. Nobody did. But
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  Speaker 2: they've revamped their offense mic and they're gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: But here's one thing I'll say about the Eagles. They
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  Speaker 2: have a great coaching staff. I'm super high on Sean Mannion.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard privately that hurts Is buying has been pretty
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  Speaker 2: good so far. It's only June. It's only June. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see what happens, Mike. But I can't wait. I think
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  Speaker 2: they played if I'm not mistaken Week four again for
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  Speaker 2: some strange reason, Yes, I cannot wait for that game.
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  Speaker 2: That is the game of the year for me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know the Rams last year. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you did win that game with the block field goal.
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  Speaker 1: But how much better do you think this Rams team
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  Speaker 1: is over last year's Rams team defense.
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  Speaker 2: I just gave it to you. The quarnerback group, the
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  Speaker 2: safety group, Miles Garrett, do the math mic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So the way you matched it all out, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like you think they are significantly better.
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  Speaker 2: Not significantly better than Eagles. You know why, Mike, because
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  Speaker 2: coaching matters players. One coaches one a can't have one
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  Speaker 2: with the other if you want to be a leader.
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  Speaker 2: Great and Sirian. Look, you and I have talked about this.
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  Speaker 2: There's a part of the Eagles fanbase that think Syrian
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  Speaker 2: is an idiot adope. No, those people are dopes. You
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  Speaker 2: don't win like they have just with having a good roster,
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  Speaker 2: you actually have to be coached. I hear people, I
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  Speaker 2: understand that sentiment. It was like, this was Charlie Manuel.
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Manuel is an idiot. He is a dope. World
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  Speaker 2: Series coaching matters, folks. But listen, I know it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be harder without a J. Brown. I get at.
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  Speaker 2: But if hers gets this timing offense, Mike, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying they won't miss ag Brown. They will, but there's
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  Speaker 2: there are other ways to win. If the Eagles running
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  Speaker 2: game is elite, look out, Mike. I'm just telling you,
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  Speaker 2: look out, Mike. If the Eagles run game is back,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna be right. They're gonna push the Rams. They're
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  Speaker 2: gonna push the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, yeah, well Rams by way plus five fifty.
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  Speaker 1: The next team in the NFC is Seattle plus eleven hundred.
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  Speaker 1: And then agree with that and then Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: The See my Seattle loses Kenth Walker. They I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to stick him out of nowhere. Now, could Sam
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  Speaker 2: Darnold do it two years in a row. He's never
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  Speaker 2: done that in his career. He did a great job,
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  Speaker 2: but you know what he lost Clintkubiak that's a big
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  Speaker 2: loss for them. Brian Florey, who knows the system, who
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  Speaker 2: came from the Rams. By the way, he's been a
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  Speaker 2: long time defensive coach. He's coaching offense. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: the system. We'll see. I see the Eagles me Mike
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  Speaker 2: are gonna be very, very good. But they have questions
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  Speaker 2: you and I have outlined them on Football Is four
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  Speaker 2: I did last week for you. They have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of they have a lot of challenges. But Jalen Carter
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  Speaker 2: ANDed with this Mike, I don't know how good he
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  Speaker 2: can be because he's had this chronic shoulder problem. We
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  Speaker 2: didn't know about the other shoulder. Now he's got two
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  Speaker 2: issues with his shoulder. But he gonna have surgery that
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  Speaker 2: that we know of. That's a good thing. Yeah, real
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  Speaker 2: surgery we're talking about. So we'll see what happens to Mike.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big Granard fan. I just feel this team's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be better than people think. But we'll see, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And by the way, Rams are the favorites in
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  Speaker 1: the NSC Seattle Philadelphia, followed by Green Bay, Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: San Francisco is the uh the sixth team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're sleeping on San franc Chicago, Dallas,
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: They are your your top ten teams.
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  Speaker 2: There real quick by. So we dropped You're gonna love
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  Speaker 2: the show your listeners on Football four. So we did
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  Speaker 2: our annual. We started our annual and that's the East
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  Speaker 2: Preview with Greg co cell. Today we dropped the Washington one.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably one of my favorite shows that we've ever done,
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  Speaker 2: and I gotta tell you it was incredibly educational. I
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  Speaker 2: like Washington more than I did before we did the show.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be back sort of, but they've
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  Speaker 2: got a receiver problem obbaus with McLaurin. They've got some
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  Speaker 2: challenges in their secondary. But overall they're gonna be good.
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  Speaker 2: And we're doing the Giants tomorrow. That's a fun one.
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  Speaker 2: Then we do the cow Polks and then the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: on Tuesday. Finished off. You folks are gonna love these shows.
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  Speaker 2: The favorite things can be honest with that we do
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  Speaker 2: with Greg.
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  Speaker 1: All right, make sure everybody's checking out the Inside of
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  Speaker 1: And as Adam said, a couple of weeks ago, we
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  Speaker 1: were about a month away from Eagles reporting on July
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  Speaker 1: the twenty eighth, you spoke it into existence.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you for that.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait and I can't wait to go. I
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  Speaker 2: should be up to see the Eagles and the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about this Mike two or three weeks ago
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  Speaker 2: that Preble spilled the beans. Three weeks ago, we said
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna be two joint practices, and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: be careful. Let's hope they don't cancel one of them.
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  Speaker 2: So I've had this happen to me when I went
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  Speaker 2: for two and then the players are worn out by
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  Speaker 2: late August and they woind up having one. But let's
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  Speaker 2: hope they keep you two.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, that has been announced as what August to fifteenth
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  Speaker 3: or something like that. When they play.
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  Speaker 1: There, you go, yeah, because they'll play New England that
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  Speaker 1: weekend in the preseason game. All right, Adamkapa's got football
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  Speaker 1: for right here on those sports best.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks man, Thank you,