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- 0:01Speaker 1: This is the Legal Exchange with Todd Lutsky from the
- 0:04Speaker 1: law firm of Cushing and Dolan and Susan Powers of
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- 0:10Speaker 1: discuss many topics, including estate planning, how to avoid probate,
- 0:13Speaker 1: and protecting your money from a nursing home. If you
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- 0:31Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Todd Lutsky and Susan Powers.
- 0:37Speaker 2: Welcome into the Legal Exchange with Todd Lutsky. I'm Susan
- 0:40Speaker 2: Power's financial advisor with the Armstrong Advisory Group, and I'm
- 0:44Speaker 2: joined by Todd Lutsky, a partner with the law firm
- 0:47Speaker 2: of Cushing and Dolan with a master's in taxation.
- 0:51Speaker 3: Todd, Welcome, how are you?
- 0:53Speaker 4: I'm never better in you?
- 0:54Speaker 3: I am great? Thank you. What do you have for
- 0:56Speaker 3: us today?
- 0:57Speaker 4: A couple of things. First, we're going to go to
- 0:59Speaker 4: Alaska and then we're going to go to Connecticut.
- 1:03Speaker 3: I don't know that we've ever gone to Alaska before.
- 1:05Speaker 4: I think, so Alaska's got very interesting statutes, very interesting
- 1:08Speaker 4: credit or protection statutes. And then this one, it's not
- 1:10Speaker 4: really about that. It's about you know, where are you
- 1:13Speaker 4: a resident of when you die? A very interesting situation.
- 1:17Speaker 4: And between Paul and Eleanor, we'll find out one is
- 1:19Speaker 4: in a Washington state and one is in Alaska and
- 1:23Speaker 4: they kind of get married, divorced and back together again
- 1:25Speaker 4: and who should get what and where are you a
- 1:28Speaker 4: resident of and which law applies and it's not so easy,
- 1:32Speaker 4: but when you think you've changed residency. So folks, we'll
- 1:36Speaker 4: talk about that and talk about how that impacts your planning.
- 1:39Speaker 4: And then we're going to go to Connecticut, where we
- 1:40Speaker 4: have an appellate court case. By the way, Alaska Supreme Court,
- 1:43Speaker 4: just so you know, that's exciting in Connecticut, it's an
- 1:46Speaker 4: appellate court case. But another one it's sort of a
- 1:48Speaker 4: strange marriage latent marriage life situation where Vincent and Maryam
- 1:55Speaker 4: you know, get married and there's a big age difference
- 1:58Speaker 4: eighty two and fifty two, and he wasn't really in
- 2:01Speaker 4: good health when he got married, and then they tried
- 2:03Speaker 4: to annul the marriage and wasn't annulled. Was it not annulled?
- 2:06Speaker 4: And I think in general, folks, you got to think
- 2:08Speaker 4: about what happens when you remarry. There's so many things
- 2:13Speaker 4: you need to think about and what you need to
- 2:15Speaker 4: do when you remarry to make sure your wishes occur
- 2:20Speaker 4: the way you want them to. So we're going to
- 2:21Speaker 4: learn I think a lot in these two cases. They
- 2:23Speaker 4: are very interesting, and in addition to that, we have
- 2:27Speaker 4: a relatively new guide. They're still in the beginnings of
- 2:30Speaker 4: the month, but basically IRA's folks, everybody has them. I
- 2:35Speaker 4: want to talk about them. How do you deal with
- 2:37Speaker 4: them in your estate plan? They are not easy. They
- 2:41Speaker 4: have income tax issues, they have estate tax issues and
- 2:47Speaker 4: protection from the nursing home issues. All three can be
- 2:50Speaker 4: addressed with this new guide. Why name your estate and
- 2:54Speaker 4: IRA beneficiary and don't do it alone. Do it with
- 2:58Speaker 4: a testamentary trust, which is a will built into the trust,
- 3:02Speaker 4: and you will see how you can actually get both
- 3:05Speaker 4: estate tax savings, no adverse income tax problems, and protection
- 3:12Speaker 4: from the nursing home after one spouse dies and hasn't
- 3:16Speaker 4: gone to the nursing home. Folks, lots to learn about
- 3:19Speaker 4: in this it's relatively new from the from the Secure
- 3:22Speaker 4: Act that came out in twenty twenty two, Call and
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- 3:36Speaker 4: or Legal Exchange Show dot Com. All right back to Alaska.
- 3:42Speaker 4: So in this case, what do we have. We have
- 3:44Speaker 4: Paul and Eleanor. They married in nineteen eighty nine in
- 3:48Speaker 4: Washington and divorced a few years later, but they stayed
- 3:51Speaker 4: in touch, you know, pretty close. Then they got close
- 3:54Speaker 4: again after Eleanor divorced her second husband. They vacationed together,
- 3:59Speaker 4: they hung out together. Of course, he's in Alaska and
- 4:01Speaker 4: she's in Washington. Then later on Paul has some health issues,
- 4:05Speaker 4: gets a kidney transplant, has some other complications, and kind
- 4:08Speaker 4: of heads on down to Washington to be with Eleanor
- 4:13Speaker 4: who's taking care of her him. In twenty seventeen August,
- 4:18Speaker 4: Paul creates a will naming Eleanor. The pr makes sense
- 4:21Speaker 4: and gives a small amount of give some of his
- 4:23Speaker 4: assets to Eleanor, some of his assets to his brother,
- 4:26Speaker 4: and some of his assets to the kidney Foundation. Because
- 4:29Speaker 4: he had a kidney transplant. All makes sense. Now we
- 4:32Speaker 4: go to October twenty seventeen, and you know, his kidneys
- 4:36Speaker 4: are failing. He's having bad issues, and he's with Eleanor.
- 4:40Speaker 4: Eleanor's helping him. And then Paul asks Eleanor, you know,
- 4:44Speaker 4: in November of twenty seventeen, you know, what do you
- 4:46Speaker 4: want for Christmas? And she says, well, I want to
- 4:49Speaker 4: marry you. Oh. So they get married on November twentieth.
- 4:54Speaker 4: He dies the next day.
- 4:56Speaker 3: Wow.
- 4:57Speaker 4: Yeah, it was not a long marriage. So now what right, Well,
- 5:02Speaker 4: now we've got problems, don't we. So the issue is
- 5:06Speaker 4: what state law applies here? And do we even have
- 5:11Speaker 4: a will? Right? So remember the will he created was
- 5:16Speaker 4: when he was not married. Then he got married. How
- 5:21Speaker 4: does the after marriage statute apply to a will? Folks?
- 5:26Speaker 4: This is state specific, very state specific. Okay, Well, this
- 5:32Speaker 4: after marriage statute in Alaska, if Alaska law applies, gives
- 5:37Speaker 4: the entire estate to Eleanor. Apparently you're the spouse and
- 5:41Speaker 4: you get everything because you're married. But he got married
- 5:45Speaker 4: after the will was created. What does the marriage do
- 5:50Speaker 4: to the old will? Right? So, oh, you get everything
- 5:54Speaker 4: in Alaska. So she's s thirled right. Washington st after
- 6:00Speaker 4: marriage statute states that she would not be entitled to inherit.
- 6:04Speaker 4: So that's a that's a problem. I guess she'd be
- 6:07Speaker 4: stuck with the old will. I guess that's what it means.
- 6:09Speaker 4: Worst case scenario. Okay, Well, they go to the They
- 6:14Speaker 4: go to superior court in Alaska, and the Superior Court
- 6:16Speaker 4: in Alaska said that the law that Alaska law governs
- 6:19Speaker 4: intrinsic validity and Washington law governs formal ability validity of
- 6:25Speaker 4: the will, and they determined that an after marriage statute
- 6:30Speaker 4: is an is not intrinsic. Therefore, you're stuck with Washington
- 6:33Speaker 4: law and Eleanor loses. The Supreme Court said, well, the
- 6:41Speaker 4: will stated that if in his will, by the way,
- 6:46Speaker 4: he specifically stated he wanted Alaska law to apply. So
- 6:49Speaker 4: now Alaska law applies, and specifically the Alaska law should apply.
- 6:56Speaker 4: And therefore Eleanor wins, the charity is out, and the
- 6:59Speaker 4: brother is out because if Alaska law applies, you get everything.
- 7:04Speaker 2: Interesting, very interesting, because if he'd been ill, you would
- 7:08Speaker 2: think that he would revise his documents saying, hey, Eleanor
- 7:12Speaker 2: gets everything.
- 7:12Speaker 3: If that worre isn't.
- 7:13Speaker 4: Dent right, Well, he died the next day after the marriage.
- 7:15Speaker 2: No, I know it, but he could have revised it beforehand,
- 7:18Speaker 2: saying yeah, I want to leave everything to her before
- 7:20Speaker 2: they got married.
- 7:21Speaker 3: That wouldn't have to be dependent on that.
- 7:23Speaker 4: This is a tough case. Yeah, this is a tough case,
- 7:26Speaker 4: but again a very interesting set of facts.
- 7:29Speaker 3: She ends up getting everything.
- 7:30Speaker 4: You know, tips and lessons, right, that's what we care about. Yeah,
- 7:34Speaker 4: this is a weird situation, but we don't want to
- 7:36Speaker 4: be in weird situations in our lifetime. So planning in general,
- 7:40Speaker 4: stating what you want to happen, unless you were saying, Susan,
- 7:42Speaker 4: do what you want done, create your plan very important.
- 7:47Speaker 4: Remember folks, when you remarry you have to think about
- 7:50Speaker 4: the impact on your estate plan. Now, this time, he
- 7:54Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of time to fix things. I
- 7:56Speaker 4: get it, but remember an old will could be gone.
- 7:58Speaker 4: If you have kids from another marriage, you want to
- 8:01Speaker 4: make sure you take care of them. You want to
- 8:03Speaker 4: make sure you change your designated beneficiaries on your life insurance,
- 8:07Speaker 4: on your IRA. Right, if you have joint accounts, you
- 8:11Speaker 4: don't want to you know what do you want the
- 8:12Speaker 4: joint account with the new spouse on or not on
- 8:16Speaker 4: you know, to me, you create a trust and you
- 8:18Speaker 4: take care of all of these situations. You can take
- 8:21Speaker 4: care of each other, you can take care of kids
- 8:23Speaker 4: from a prior marriage. You get your wishes in order,
- 8:26Speaker 4: and you don't have these headaches. I mean, that's really
- 8:30Speaker 4: what you're what you're trying to do now. In all fairness,
- 8:35Speaker 4: changing residency also has other issues. So in this case,
- 8:38Speaker 4: they were trying to figure out what law applies. They
- 8:41Speaker 4: did say he was domiciled in Washington, but his will
- 8:45Speaker 4: said I wanted Alaska laws to apply.
- 8:49Speaker 3: Can you pick any state you want to apply if
- 8:51Speaker 3: you don't live there.
- 8:51Speaker 4: You know, I don't really know. I've never come up
- 8:54Speaker 4: with that.
- 8:55Speaker 2: In Massachusetts, I'm saying, hey, I want, yeah, the amsure
- 8:57Speaker 2: laws to apply because there's no state tax.
- 9:01Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to say it.
- 9:02Speaker 3: I think it's not optional, Steady.
- 9:04Speaker 4: I don't know on that one. But in any event, folks,
- 9:06Speaker 4: when you do change residency, let's talk about what you
- 9:09Speaker 4: can learn and not leave it to guesswork. Right, When
- 9:11Speaker 4: you want to be in a different state and you
- 9:14Speaker 4: want that state to be your resident state, you need
- 9:18Speaker 4: to update your basic estate planning documents. The will the healthcare,
- 9:21Speaker 4: the power of attorney, not necessarily the trust. Get those updated,
- 9:25Speaker 4: change your voter registration, change your driver's license, join some clubs,
- 9:31Speaker 4: spend your six months in a day there. You know,
- 9:34Speaker 4: do everything you can to show you're a resident of
- 9:39Speaker 4: that state.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Val Your tax is there.
- 9:41Speaker 4: Right exactly now. If you have real estate, remember you
- 9:45Speaker 4: could have real estate in multiple states, you know you
- 9:48Speaker 4: need to make sure how you handle that. Just because
- 9:50Speaker 4: you change the residency in Massachusetts, you better put that
- 9:52Speaker 4: in an LLC or you're going to be taxed in
- 9:54Speaker 4: mass as an out of state resident within state property. Folks,
- 9:58Speaker 4: lots to think about when you're changing your residency. It
- 10:01Speaker 4: can certainly affect your estate plan, and lots to think
- 10:04Speaker 4: about on how to handle your IRA asset when you're
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- 13:55Speaker 2: Welcome back into the Legal Exchange with Todd Lutsky. I'm
- 13:58Speaker 2: Susan Paris needs to advisor with the Armstrong Advisory Group,
- 14:02Speaker 2: and I'm joined by Todd Lutsky, a partner with the
- 14:05Speaker 2: law firm of Cushing and Dolan with a master's in taxation.
- 14:09Speaker 3: Where are we headed now, Todd.
- 14:11Speaker 4: We're going to head over to the Connecticut State appell
- 14:15Speaker 4: At Court. Another strange marriage case, folks, but I couldn't
- 14:20Speaker 4: resist it when I read it, So here's how it works.
- 14:23Speaker 4: Vincent and Miriam married February seventh, twenty nineteen he's eighty
- 14:29Speaker 4: two and she's fifty two. He's already my hero. He
- 14:34Speaker 4: had surgery two days before the wedding and hospitalized two
- 14:38Speaker 4: days after the wedding. In March, Vincent begins annulment actions, saying, hey,
- 14:44Speaker 4: I wasn't competent at the time I got married. I
- 14:48Speaker 4: want an annulment. Motions are filed and he says I
- 14:52Speaker 4: want to return exclusive possession of the house and my
- 14:55Speaker 4: personal items to me, and he wants to prevent her
- 14:58Speaker 4: from collecting rent on his other rental properties. Okay, first
- 15:03Speaker 4: thing that jumps off at me is he's got multiple
- 15:06Speaker 4: pieces of property, some rental properties, and doesn't sound like
- 15:08Speaker 4: he's got much planning done, so this is already an issue,
- 15:12Speaker 4: right Well, Okay, that was March. Now August, same year,
- 15:16Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, he dies without a will. Well in September,
- 15:22Speaker 4: Oh well, in September of twenty nineteen, Miriam files an
- 15:25Speaker 4: action to dismiss the annulment action, which never really went anywhere.
- 15:29Speaker 4: We're still married, and there was a big delay until
- 15:32Speaker 4: about twenty twenty when they actually admitted the administrator to
- 15:36Speaker 4: his estate, and then he reopened the complaint on the annulment. Well,
- 15:41Speaker 4: April twenty twenty two, wow, or like three years into
- 15:46Speaker 4: this thing. Really, the court found that Vincent had a
- 15:49Speaker 4: defective heart hypertension, heart failure valves that were bad. He
- 15:55Speaker 4: had lost blood to the brain and basically was medically
- 15:59Speaker 4: in compromised. And you know, he could not have consented
- 16:05Speaker 4: to the marriage. So the marriage is like it never happened.
- 16:09Speaker 4: It's this void and so that's what the appellate court,
- 16:14Speaker 4: or that's what the court said. Then they appealed m
- 16:18Speaker 4: the appellate court affirmed probably the right decision, right because
- 16:23Speaker 4: the annulment affected not only the marital status, but there
- 16:27Speaker 4: were property rights involved. Member he filed to get exclusive
- 16:31Speaker 4: possession of his property rights back, and since he died
- 16:34Speaker 4: without a will and took actions to protect his assets
- 16:39Speaker 4: before he died, the personal representative of the estate really
- 16:42Speaker 4: has a fiduciary responsibility to preserve his wishes and determine
- 16:48Speaker 4: in fact who these assets rightfully belonged to.
- 16:53Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy to me because it sounds like
- 16:55Speaker 2: he has you know a bit of an estate here,
- 16:57Speaker 2: like from a worth perspective, do not have trusts in
- 17:01Speaker 2: place and an actual estate plan.
- 17:04Speaker 3: LLC's crazy.
- 17:06Speaker 4: I mean, I can think of tons of things that
- 17:08Speaker 4: are missing here, and certainly a big age different second marriage.
- 17:11Speaker 3: Janna Nicole is coming in. She's going to try and
- 17:13Speaker 3: keep all that property.
- 17:14Speaker 4: You've got lots to think about, folks, when you're in
- 17:18Speaker 4: a situation like this, and even if you're not, you've
- 17:20Speaker 4: got lots to think about in your own estate planning world, folks.
- 17:23Speaker 4: And one of those items I want you to learn
- 17:25Speaker 4: how to deal with in estate planning is your IRA.
- 17:28Speaker 4: Most people have them, and quite frankly, other than a house,
- 17:31Speaker 4: it might be your biggest asset. There's a new guide
- 17:34Speaker 4: out why name your estate and IRA beneficiary. It's not
- 17:38Speaker 4: something you would normally think to do. It's relatively new
- 17:41Speaker 4: in the estate planning world. But if you're contemplating estate
- 17:46Speaker 4: planning and protecting assets from a nursing home, I don't
- 17:50Speaker 4: think you would do this if you're doing revocable trusts.
- 17:53Speaker 4: Only if you're thinking about protecting it from the nursing home,
- 17:56Speaker 4: then you can talk about naming the estate to beneficiary.
- 17:59Speaker 4: It will reduce your estate taxes because it'll be sheltered,
- 18:03Speaker 4: It will provide protection from UH, it would not provide
- 18:07Speaker 4: any adverse income tax consequences. When you take your rmds
- 18:12Speaker 4: and you do, you will be able to protect it
- 18:15Speaker 4: from the nursing home, most importantly, without creating a five
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- 18:39Speaker 4: Show dot com. What can we learn from this disaster?
- 18:45Speaker 4: Couple of things. First and foremost, folks, as you said earlier, Susan,
- 18:50Speaker 4: he had lots of real estate. He had rental properties.
- 18:53Speaker 4: I don't know if they're in multiple states. Who knows? Right?
- 18:56Speaker 4: Number one, he's not married. Number two, you know, but
- 19:00Speaker 4: at least he should have set up an LLC to
- 19:03Speaker 4: protect himself against lawsuits from these tenants. Folks. We say
- 19:10Speaker 4: it time and time again, even when children come in
- 19:14Speaker 4: and say, you know, mom and dad died and we
- 19:16Speaker 4: inherited their rental properties. Okay, well I'm glad you got him,
- 19:20Speaker 4: And they say, well, first thing I tell him is
- 19:23Speaker 4: you better put them in an LLC, because think about it,
- 19:26Speaker 4: if three kids inherit rental properties and they keep renting
- 19:29Speaker 4: it and someone gets hurt, they're going to sue all
- 19:34Speaker 4: three families, rest and all three of all their assets. Folks,
- 19:39Speaker 4: this is not a good way to own it. And
- 19:41Speaker 4: for this person, he should have or they should have
- 19:44Speaker 4: just protected it, you know from so LLC's would have
- 19:47Speaker 4: been the way to go there. Now, I don't know.
- 19:50Speaker 4: This is clearly a second marriage. Eighty two and fifty
- 19:53Speaker 4: two is a big age spread. Maybe he had kids
- 19:56Speaker 4: from a prior.
- 19:56Speaker 3: Marriage, probably older than his bride.
- 20:00Speaker 4: It's a good point. Very well could be or same age,
- 20:04Speaker 4: and in this case you might need a trust to
- 20:06Speaker 4: provide for them. Yeah, obviously to avoid probate and maybe
- 20:10Speaker 4: reduce the state taxes. I don't know. If you're going
- 20:13Speaker 4: to get married now, you really got to consider how
- 20:16Speaker 4: and what to do to protect both sides.
- 20:19Speaker 2: Yeah, my family provide for her when you pass, but
- 20:23Speaker 2: still preserve your kid's inheritance at the same time.
- 20:26Speaker 4: And to me, those are really a lot to think
- 20:29Speaker 4: about when you're getting remarried, and especially at that age
- 20:33Speaker 4: and so critical. But here what was the real issue?
- 20:38Speaker 4: Married or not also makes a big difference. So this
- 20:41Speaker 4: is for all you folks out there that might just
- 20:43Speaker 4: be you know, having lost your spouses later in life
- 20:46Speaker 4: and are now you have a significant other and you're
- 20:49Speaker 4: not married. It makes a difference, right, So here what mattered.
- 20:53Speaker 4: It turns out that the will was void, so he
- 20:57Speaker 4: died without a will. He had no estate planning in place. Well,
- 21:02Speaker 4: now the marital status is everything to Miriam, right, so
- 21:07Speaker 4: now you would have to look to the intestate succession
- 21:10Speaker 4: statute if you're not married, right, it really affects the
- 21:15Speaker 4: EP because at this point Miriam would be completely out
- 21:19Speaker 4: the estate planning or the estate planning. Yeah, you would
- 21:25Speaker 4: be completely out, Miriam because the intestate succession statue, which
- 21:30Speaker 4: they would have to look to because he died without
- 21:32Speaker 4: a will, would usually go Each state is different, but
- 21:36Speaker 4: it would start looking at next closest next of kin.
- 21:40Speaker 4: If you're not a spouse, you're not even on the chart,
- 21:43Speaker 4: so you're not going to get anything. So this is
- 21:47Speaker 4: important to Miriam. So at this point she's out altogether.
- 21:50Speaker 4: He died without a will. Now, if in fact there
- 21:53Speaker 4: was a will and they were married, I'm sorry, no will,
- 21:58Speaker 4: but they were actually married, the marriage was not void. Well,
- 22:02Speaker 4: now she's on the chart at least and high up
- 22:07Speaker 4: on most state charts as to what you get, right,
- 22:11Speaker 4: So there's going to definitely be something that she gets.
- 22:13Speaker 4: And if there's you know, it could be you know,
- 22:16Speaker 4: half to the kids, half to her. It could it
- 22:19Speaker 4: could be. Each state is different. You really got to
- 22:21Speaker 4: look at it. But at least she's on the chart
- 22:23Speaker 4: and would get something out of that. So good. Now,
- 22:28Speaker 4: what what I suggest here is obviously if they got married,
- 22:32Speaker 4: they should have done a trust. And even if you didn't, right,
- 22:34Speaker 4: but if you're married and it's a second marriage, please
- 22:39Speaker 4: set up a trust. Now it's not about taxes and probate.
- 22:42Speaker 4: While those are nice benefits to have and they would
- 22:44Speaker 4: be there, the real thing is to prevent all this headache.
- 22:49Speaker 4: Control the real estate. Figure out how your significant other
- 22:53Speaker 4: now new spouse is going to benefit, you know, let
- 22:56Speaker 4: her have the income, let her enjoy the property. You know,
- 23:00Speaker 4: talk about whether there's a right to sell or not sell,
- 23:03Speaker 4: but protect it all and then when they die you
- 23:05Speaker 4: can have it directed to your side of the family,
- 23:08Speaker 4: depending on what you want done, so you can take
- 23:11Speaker 4: care of everybody with a trust. Folks, think about what
- 23:15Speaker 4: you do when you get remarried. Relook at your estate plan. Meanwhile,
- 23:20Speaker 4: just pull out your IRA and look at your IRA
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- 23:39Speaker 2: You've been listening to Todd Lutsky, a partner with the
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- 27:28Speaker 1: You're listening to the Legal Exchange and it's time for
- 27:31Speaker 1: Ask Todd, the segment where Todd will answer your questions
- 27:34Speaker 1: about anything and everything that's included in the estate planning process.
- 27:39Speaker 1: Once again, here's Todd Lutsky and Susan Powers.
- 27:44Speaker 2: Welcome back, Todd. We have a few questions from listeners
- 27:47Speaker 2: for you. First question comes from Mara in Cotuit, mass
- 27:51Speaker 2: and Mora writes, my husband recently went on hospice years ago.
- 27:55Speaker 2: We created two irrevocable trusts with you. Is there anything
- 27:59Speaker 2: we should be doing now to prepare for his passing?
- 28:02Speaker 2: What do I need to do after he passes?
- 28:06Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think a good thing a quick
- 28:09Speaker 4: check would be just to you know, look at all
- 28:11Speaker 4: the assets that are in the trust, take a good inventory,
- 28:15Speaker 4: see what's there, and then take a look at what's
- 28:20Speaker 4: not in the trust, because there's always going to be
- 28:22Speaker 4: items not in the trust. And you know, if there's
- 28:27Speaker 4: spare bank accounts and maybe a small brokerage account that
- 28:31Speaker 4: you left outside the trust, you know, make sure that
- 28:34Speaker 4: it's jointly owned with the spouse. Just that way, it
- 28:38Speaker 4: avoids probate and you don't have any headaches. You know.
- 28:41Speaker 4: I'm also going to say, you know, take a look
- 28:43Speaker 4: at at your IRA. And that's something that you can
- 28:48Speaker 4: really look at here because now you are actually at
- 28:51Speaker 4: a point where you know somebody is passing. Now, I'm
- 28:53Speaker 4: assuming you could be on hospice, but be competent. Right,
- 28:56Speaker 4: it could just be cancer. It could be something that
- 28:59Speaker 4: affects your your health but not your mind. And so
- 29:03Speaker 4: if that's the case, maybe we know the iras are
- 29:06Speaker 4: not in the trust. So that's definitely an item you
- 29:10Speaker 4: have to look at now. Of course, ensure that the
- 29:12Speaker 4: beneficiaries are set up, but now maybe change them. Now
- 29:17Speaker 4: you might have an opportunity to say, this new law,
- 29:21Speaker 4: the new Secure Act, maybe you can set up if
- 29:24Speaker 4: he's got a large IRA, is it him? Yeah, husband,
- 29:27Speaker 4: if he's got a large IRA and I don't know
- 29:33Speaker 4: hundred thousand, I don't know what it is, but I
- 29:35Speaker 4: want to have and he's over age seventy three, that's
- 29:39Speaker 4: an important element of this decision. Then you can have
- 29:44Speaker 4: him do a new will, which is a testamentary trust
- 29:48Speaker 4: will be built into that will. Again, assuming he's competent,
- 29:52Speaker 4: then you change his designated beneficiary on the IRA to
- 29:57Speaker 4: the estate of the husband. Now it will pass through probate. Yeah,
- 30:03Speaker 4: one item, I get it into this testamentary trust. But
- 30:08Speaker 4: what will happen is the minimum distributions will continue to
- 30:12Speaker 4: come out over his lifetime, which is fine. I mean
- 30:17Speaker 4: when I say his lifetime, his ghost life expectancy. So
- 30:20Speaker 4: if he died at eighty, it'll come out over an
- 30:22Speaker 4: eighty year old life expression. See, so there's no real
- 30:25Speaker 4: adverse impact on the income tax side. It then will
- 30:29Speaker 4: be in this testamentary trust, sheltered in a bypass share
- 30:33Speaker 4: from estate taxes when the surviving spouse dies, So that
- 30:37Speaker 4: could be helpful in reducing the Massachusetts estate tax if
- 30:41Speaker 4: you haven't crammed down two million in the trust already.
- 30:45Speaker 4: And lastly, and maybe most importantly, it's not only available
- 30:49Speaker 4: for the surviving spouse, which we want, but immediately protected
- 30:55Speaker 4: from the cost of long term care if the surviving
- 30:58Speaker 4: spouse gets sick.
- 30:59Speaker 2: So no look back period, none, and no massive upfront
- 31:03Speaker 2: tax implications like you're emptying out an irate.
- 31:05Speaker 4: Absolutely correct. Now, if you left it directly to the spouse, yeah,
- 31:11Speaker 4: she'd have it, but it'd remain at risk. Just like
- 31:14Speaker 4: it was before, right, Folks, really try to understand how
- 31:19Speaker 4: this works. I know there's a lot of rules that
- 31:22Speaker 4: go with naming an ira the estate as a beneficiary.
- 31:27Speaker 4: Really got to get the guide and follow these rules
- 31:29Speaker 4: and understand whether or not that could make tremendous sense
- 31:34Speaker 4: for your estate. Plan. Again, might not be for everybody,
- 31:37Speaker 4: but take a look, especially if you want to protect
- 31:39Speaker 4: it from the nursing home or like you said, Susan,
- 31:42Speaker 4: you've got somebody who you happen to know is is
- 31:44Speaker 4: you know on hospice and you might be able to
- 31:46Speaker 4: do something last minute. Get the guide, folks eight six
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- 32:03Speaker 2: Our last question comes from Sonia and Boilston, mass And
- 32:06Speaker 2: Sonia writes, my husband and I have a revocable trust
- 32:09Speaker 2: that we created with you. This year, you transferred our
- 32:12Speaker 2: home and we moved our investments into the trust. But
- 32:15Speaker 2: I'm unsure what to do with the life insurance. It
- 32:18Speaker 2: is paid up whole life insurance policy on my husband's life.
- 32:22Speaker 2: Should I be the beneficiary or should our trust be?
- 32:26Speaker 2: If we name the trust, will I still have access
- 32:28Speaker 2: to those funds when he passes or do they need
- 32:31Speaker 2: to stay in the trust?
- 32:33Speaker 4: You know, life insurance is really another tricky asset like
- 32:37Speaker 4: an irure. And in this case, it looks like we've
- 32:40Speaker 4: done revocable trust planning for these folks. So that's very
- 32:44Speaker 4: different than irrevocable trust planning. So in this case, whether
- 32:49Speaker 4: this was paid up or not paid up, I know
- 32:53Speaker 4: that was a fact in here, but I want to
- 32:54Speaker 4: expand the answer to the listeners whether that's paid up
- 32:59Speaker 4: or not paid up. When you're dealing with a revocable trust,
- 33:02Speaker 4: simply naming that person's trust. Again, I don't know if
- 33:06Speaker 4: we did a joint trust or a trust for husband
- 33:10Speaker 4: and wife.
- 33:10Speaker 3: If it sounds like one joint line.
- 33:12Speaker 4: So if it's one joint one, we want to make
- 33:14Speaker 4: sure you simply name the designated beneficiary on that life
- 33:18Speaker 4: insurance policy to be that trust. If you did two trusts,
- 33:23Speaker 4: you would certainly want to name the insureds trusty as
- 33:28Speaker 4: the designated beneficiary. Now you don't have to worry about
- 33:33Speaker 4: whether it's paid up or not, and you don't really
- 33:35Speaker 4: have to change the owner. Okay, it doesn't matter what
- 33:39Speaker 4: matters is that when you die, by having the beneficiary
- 33:44Speaker 4: the trust, you're a of avoiding probate b getting an
- 33:49Speaker 4: asset into the trust so that it can be sheltered
- 33:53Speaker 4: from estate taxes Versus if you don't do that and
- 33:57Speaker 4: you name the spouse, it's going to simply passed directly
- 34:01Speaker 4: to the spouse, avoiding probate and not being sheltered for
- 34:06Speaker 4: a state taxes because it would pass under this unlimited
- 34:10Speaker 4: marital deduction. So we you know, then it's just going
- 34:14Speaker 4: to sit there and you know, be subject to a
- 34:16Speaker 4: state tax when the survivor dies. Is not helpful. But
- 34:20Speaker 4: by naming the trust as the beneficiary, now those assets
- 34:25Speaker 4: will flow into the trust, they'll avoid probate, and they'll
- 34:29Speaker 4: find their way to either the remainder share or the
- 34:34Speaker 4: q TIP share. The marital share. If it goes into
- 34:38Speaker 4: the remainder share, up to two million in Massachusetts would
- 34:42Speaker 4: get there and that would be included in the estate
- 34:45Speaker 4: of the survivor. So you see how that can help
- 34:48Speaker 4: fund the trust, help cram down more assets. On the
- 34:52Speaker 4: first death, the two million would go into the remainder
- 34:55Speaker 4: share and it would be sheltered from both federal and
- 35:00Speaker 4: state estate taxes when the survivor dies, because it's it's
- 35:05Speaker 4: sheltered there. Now going forward, you asked, what about the spouse.
- 35:10Speaker 3: She yeah, she wants to access it.
- 35:13Speaker 4: So in these revocable trusts, although it becomes irrevocable when
- 35:18Speaker 4: the survive when the first spouse dies, whether it's joint
- 35:21Speaker 4: trust or his own trust, it's going to become irrevocable,
- 35:27Speaker 4: but the surviving spouse is the trustee most of the time.
- 35:33Speaker 4: So if that's the case, now the surviving trust, even
- 35:37Speaker 4: though you hear the word irrevocable here, don't be frightened
- 35:39Speaker 4: by it because the surviving spouse is in complete charge. Now,
- 35:44Speaker 4: the surviving spouse has the ability to control all the
- 35:47Speaker 4: money and all the assets in the bucket, can manage
- 35:50Speaker 4: and invest them, buy and sell property if she wants to,
- 35:54Speaker 4: and take out all the income. So again there's a
- 35:58Speaker 4: million dollar life insurance policy, it's to be kicking out,
- 36:00Speaker 4: you know, fifty grand a year in income.
- 36:02Speaker 3: What about the principle and.
- 36:05Speaker 4: Can go ahead and take out the principle And there's
- 36:08Speaker 4: usually language in there that says, as she needs it
- 36:11Speaker 4: to maintain her standard of living that she enjoyed when
- 36:14Speaker 4: her spouse.
- 36:15Speaker 2: Was alive, what if she wants a little bit higher
- 36:17Speaker 2: standard of living when.
- 36:18Speaker 4: He does, that's when the living really begins.
- 36:21Speaker 3: I want to spend so much, and that's true.
- 36:24Speaker 4: You you really never have to get there because there's
- 36:27Speaker 4: really no one complaining. But in our trusts, we give
- 36:31Speaker 4: the surviving spouse the power to appoint a independent trustee
- 36:37Speaker 4: of her choosing, not related or subordinate, who simply can
- 36:41Speaker 4: exercise discretion and empty the entire bucket if you needed to.
- 36:46Speaker 4: But remember, while you can do that, you won't need
- 36:51Speaker 4: to mostly and it could cause the state tax problems.
- 36:54Speaker 4: So folks learn how to do your estate plan, not
- 36:58Speaker 4: only with that, but with IRA assets very important. Get
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- 41:00Speaker 2: Welcome back into the Legal Exchange with Todd Lutsky. I'm
- 41:03Speaker 2: Susan powers of financial advisor with the Armstrong Advisory Group,
- 41:07Speaker 2: and I'm joined, of course by Todd Lutsky, a partner
- 41:10Speaker 2: with the law firm of Cushing and Dolan with a
- 41:12Speaker 2: Masters in taxation. Todd, I have my own real life
- 41:16Speaker 2: story for you today.
- 41:17Speaker 4: I hope I can help well.
- 41:19Speaker 2: I have faith that you do that you can. So
- 41:22Speaker 2: we have mutual clients. Husband's eighty one and his wife
- 41:25Speaker 2: is seventy four. They created two irrevocable trusts with you
- 41:30Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty one.
- 41:32Speaker 4: That was a good step in the right direction.
- 41:34Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and they funded their trust. They have their
- 41:37Speaker 2: home and they are worth around six twenty five and
- 41:41Speaker 2: two investment accounts worth about three million. Outside of their trust,
- 41:45Speaker 2: they both have an iray. His is worth about eight
- 41:48Speaker 2: hundred and his wife's is worth around three hundred. Both
- 41:53Speaker 2: of their trusts have creditor protection built into them for.
- 41:56Speaker 3: Their only child, like proof that staying sure.
- 42:00Speaker 4: I've got it.
- 42:01Speaker 3: He's not great with money, so they wanted to make
- 42:03Speaker 3: sure that.
- 42:04Speaker 4: Oh so both divorce and bad with money.
- 42:07Speaker 3: Absolutely good.
- 42:08Speaker 2: They were listening to the show last weekend and sent
- 42:11Speaker 2: an email asking if they should consider now naming their
- 42:15Speaker 2: estate as the beneficiary on their irais instead of each other.
- 42:20Speaker 2: And if they do that, would they still maintain the
- 42:23Speaker 2: creditor protection for their son's inheritance.
- 42:26Speaker 4: Wow, this is jam packed. It is jam packed with stuff,
- 42:30Speaker 4: So let's unwrap it a little. I want to jump
- 42:34Speaker 4: down to the bottom part first, because it just makes
- 42:36Speaker 4: a lot of sense, right when you're talking about a
- 42:39Speaker 4: son's inheritance being credit or protected, right, and whether we're
- 42:43Speaker 4: concerned about protecting assets from the nursing home or not,
- 42:47Speaker 4: right in this particular case. And this is important whether
- 42:51Speaker 4: it's a revocable trust or an irrevocable trust. So I'm
- 42:53Speaker 4: really going to expand the answer here for the listeners. Right,
- 42:58Speaker 4: If you've done estate planning and you have eight hundred
- 43:01Speaker 4: thousand dollars IRA three hundreds, these are big numbers, right, So,
- 43:05Speaker 4: and you've done estate planning and you've put language in
- 43:09Speaker 4: your trust that says when you die again, revocable or irrevocable,
- 43:15Speaker 4: it's going to go to my children, child whatever, and
- 43:18Speaker 4: it's going to be held there to be protected from
- 43:20Speaker 4: the cost of long term from the cost of creditors, yeah, right,
- 43:24Speaker 4: meaning future divorces of the kids whatever. They're super problems.
- 43:28Speaker 4: Financial problems, can be even disability issues. Right if it's
- 43:34Speaker 4: if it's held in trust and you want assets to
- 43:38Speaker 4: be protected for those people, understand your IRA, if you
- 43:45Speaker 4: don't name the trust the beneficiary at a bare minimum
- 43:49Speaker 4: the trust. So if it's a revocable trust, you would
- 43:51Speaker 4: name the trust the beneficiary, then those assets will not
- 43:56Speaker 4: get that protection. So you need to name the trust
- 44:00Speaker 4: beneficiary to preserve the protection for the kids. If it's
- 44:05Speaker 4: a revocable trust. Now, if it's an irrevocable trust, which
- 44:09Speaker 4: is what we have here. Wow, now we want to
- 44:13Speaker 4: do we want to figure out to do the same
- 44:15Speaker 4: kind of thing. We either want to name the trust
- 44:16Speaker 4: the beneficiary to protect it for the kids. Or we
- 44:21Speaker 4: can add a little something by naming the estate the
- 44:25Speaker 4: beneficiary of the IRA instead of the trust directly. Now
- 44:32Speaker 4: we're going to add some extra benefits. Right. We would
- 44:36Speaker 4: not just change the beneficiary though, to the estate of.
- 44:40Speaker 4: You would need to come back in and we would
- 44:43Speaker 4: need to do new wills, because if I'm going to
- 44:47Speaker 4: name the estate the beneficiary, I need wills that include
- 44:52Speaker 4: testamentary trusts. Now, it's a fancy term. I didn't learn
- 44:57Speaker 4: the big words in law school. So this is really
- 44:59Speaker 4: a I think maybe you did. This is really a
- 45:04Speaker 4: will built into a trust. I'll call it a wind trust.
- 45:06Speaker 4: It's just easier than testamentary trust. And so now you
- 45:09Speaker 4: need that trust built into the will in order to
- 45:14Speaker 4: capture this IRA money by naming it the estate of.
- 45:19Speaker 4: And now when you do that, I'm going to explain
- 45:22Speaker 4: all the benefits that you get from doing that. But
- 45:26Speaker 4: first I'm going to tell you in case you can't
- 45:28Speaker 4: keep listening. If you call and get this guide, you
- 45:31Speaker 4: will get all of those answers. How to name your
- 45:35Speaker 4: estate the IRA beneficiary, when to do it? Obviously married,
- 45:40Speaker 4: it works. Dealing with irrevocable trust, to protect from a
- 45:43Speaker 4: nursing home, it works. These would be the kind of
- 45:46Speaker 4: folks that want to do this, that want to get
- 45:48Speaker 4: this guide. Okay, and it will do the following. It
- 45:53Speaker 4: will protect it from the cost of nursing home care
- 45:56Speaker 4: for the surviving spouse without a five year weight huge win. Yes,
- 46:00Speaker 4: it will go to probate. Yes, it will protect assets
- 46:03Speaker 4: or shelter assets from state taxes of the surviving spouse
- 46:07Speaker 4: because not everybody goes to a nursing home and no
- 46:10Speaker 4: adverse income taxes. Folks, get the guide eight six six
- 46:15Speaker 4: eight four eight five six nine nine or Legal Exchange
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- 46:23Speaker 4: five six nine nine or Legal Exchange Show dot com.
- 46:27Speaker 2: So you would name the estate of for the primary
- 46:32Speaker 2: beneficiary for both of them.
- 46:34Speaker 4: Yeah, because we don't know who's going to die first,
- 46:36Speaker 4: so that's a good point. And then when one dies,
- 46:38Speaker 4: the survivor can change the beneficiary of their own okayra
- 46:43Speaker 4: Yeah again, lots to think about here. But it's doable.
- 46:47Speaker 4: This is why you don't do it on your own.
- 46:48Speaker 4: You get help for this. This is this is heavy lifting.
- 46:52Speaker 4: So back to this one. In this case, let's say
- 46:56Speaker 4: we pick on the on the husband with the eight
- 46:58Speaker 4: hundred thousands dollar IRA, but you're right, they both should
- 47:01Speaker 4: do this. So now we've come in, we've created these
- 47:06Speaker 4: new wills with the testamentary trusts built in. You name
- 47:10Speaker 4: the husband's estate, so for the husband it would be
- 47:14Speaker 4: estate of husband's name, designated beneficiary. That's literally what you
- 47:20Speaker 4: put on there. Then that money's going to find its way.
- 47:24Speaker 4: When he dies, it's going to flow through assuming he
- 47:26Speaker 4: didn't go to the nursing home, it's going to flow
- 47:29Speaker 4: through probate into this will. And in the will there's
- 47:34Speaker 4: a testamentary trust. And yes there's some account changes that
- 47:38Speaker 4: have to be done to accommodate this, but it's there now.
- 47:42Speaker 4: Once it's there, the trustee of this testamentary trust will
- 47:48Speaker 4: allocate the assets to likely something called the remainder share,
- 47:54Speaker 4: depending on what's going on in the other trusts. Right,
- 47:57Speaker 4: we can't shelter more than two million dollars in a
- 48:00Speaker 4: remainder share. Everything over the two million dollars between the
- 48:05Speaker 4: testamentary trust and the living revote irrevocable trust that we
- 48:10Speaker 4: did those two b buckets there. Once that exceeds two million,
- 48:14Speaker 4: the excess goes into the q TIP share. Once it's
- 48:17Speaker 4: sitting in this testamentary trust, the surviving the trustee can
- 48:23Speaker 4: make distributions out to the surviving spouse of both income
- 48:30Speaker 4: and principle so important and so different than the living
- 48:35Speaker 4: irrevocable trust.
- 48:36Speaker 2: So it goes from the testamentary trust that owns the
- 48:39Speaker 2: IRA to an after tax testamentary trust bucket and then
- 48:44Speaker 2: that's where it gets sent out to.
- 48:46Speaker 4: So it goes from the IRA himself to the Testamentary
- 48:50Speaker 4: Trust remainder share. From there the trustee can make distribution.
- 48:55Speaker 4: But it's important to get that. They know that the
- 48:57Speaker 4: surviving spouse knows they can get both principal right and income,
- 49:01Speaker 4: so all.
- 49:01Speaker 3: Of it, no restrictions on any of it.
- 49:03Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happens when they're surviving spouse dies and
- 49:07Speaker 2: you've got this, you know, let's say there's seven hundred
- 49:10Speaker 2: thousand left in this testamentary trust. Yeah, so is it
- 49:15Speaker 2: still protected for the sun or is he going to
- 49:17Speaker 2: be able to reach in and get the whole thing out.
- 49:19Speaker 4: No, you put the same language in there protecting it
- 49:21Speaker 4: for the for the kids as you had in the
- 49:24Speaker 4: in the main irrevocable trust. You know that creditor protection language,
- 49:28Speaker 4: the divorce proofing exactly, it just continues on for them. Okay,
- 49:32Speaker 4: so wonderful. We've got both the creditor protection language ongoing
- 49:37Speaker 4: for the surviving children. We've got a spouse who has
- 49:42Speaker 4: access to the money, which we want. We've got minimum
- 49:46Speaker 4: distributions coming out on an income tax basis based on
- 49:51Speaker 4: the decedents ghost life expectancy, which likely is not an
- 49:55Speaker 4: adverse situation, right, So it's what you want. And then
- 50:01Speaker 4: the big kicker is not only is it sheltered for
- 50:03Speaker 4: estate taxes, so the surviving spouse won't pay taxes on
- 50:07Speaker 4: it when they die. If the surviving spouse gets sick,
- 50:11Speaker 4: I don't care if it's the next day. It's automatically
- 50:15Speaker 4: protected from the nursing home, which it would not be
- 50:18Speaker 4: had you just given a tour. Folks lots to think about.
- 50:22Speaker 4: Learn how to protect your IRA or treat your IRA
- 50:26Speaker 4: correctly in your estate plan. Get the guide eight six
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- 50:45Speaker 2: Todd Lutsky from the law firm of Cushing in Dolan,
- 50:47Speaker 2: thank you so much.
- 50:48Speaker 4: Thank you, Susan. Always a pleasure.
- 50:50Speaker 2: I'm Susan Power as a financial advisor with the Armstrong
- 50:53Speaker 2: Advisory Group. Thank you for joining us and we'll see
- 50:56Speaker 2: you again next week on the Legal Exchange with Todd Lutsky.
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