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When Astronomers See UFOs · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to a
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Speaker 1: new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Thank you very
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Speaker 1: much for joining me tonight. I think I have a
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Speaker 1: pretty interesting episode today, which I call when Astronomers See UFOs.
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Speaker 1: There's a misconception out there that astronomers have not seen UFOs,
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Speaker 1: and that's simply not true. In fact, there are some
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Speaker 1: three hundred plus cases documented of astronomers who have seen UFOs. Now,
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Speaker 1: many of these are what we were called amateur astronomers,
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Speaker 1: but some, in fact are quite well known. Not too
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Speaker 1: long ago, I was surfing the Internet and looking at
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Speaker 1: all the Facebook groups on this subject, and I saw
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Speaker 1: quite a bit of discussion about where are all the
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Speaker 1: reports from astronomers. Well, they're here, there's a lot of them.
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Speaker 1: And I found this quite synchronistic because I just recently
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Speaker 1: put out a new book. It's called Not from Here,
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Speaker 1: Volume five, and I included a chapter all about astronomers
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Speaker 1: who have seen UFOs. So that's what I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about today. I've chosen over a dozen cases which
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Speaker 1: I think are super interesting and very credible, involving very
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Speaker 1: high profile astronomers. What I'd like to do is present
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Speaker 1: those cases in a chronological order, so you can see that.
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Speaker 1: In fact, yes, astronomers have seen UFOs. Many high profile
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Speaker 1: witnesses have They're celebrities, politicians, scientists, pilots. Of course, it's
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Speaker 1: a total misconception that only uneducated people out in the
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Speaker 1: wilderness see UFOs. It's just not true. And I really
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about astronomers because I think this provides
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Speaker 1: really good evidence against skeptics. Astronomers are very well trained observers.
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Speaker 1: It's third job to look up at the sky and
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Speaker 1: determine what's going on there, so their accounts are particularly important.
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Speaker 1: So let's just get started. And the first astronomer I'd
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Speaker 1: like to talk about is someone I'm sure you heard of.
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Speaker 1: It's Edmund Halley. Edmund Halley is, of course the discoverer
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Speaker 1: of Halley's Comet, and he reportedly saw a UFO way
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Speaker 1: back in March of sixteen seventy six. He described it
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Speaker 1: as quote a vast body apparently bigger than the moon.
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Speaker 1: Of course, he's not talking about Howe's comment here. This
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Speaker 1: is an object of some kind which he estimated was
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Speaker 1: about forty miles high, and he said it made a
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Speaker 1: noise quote like the rattling of a great cart over stones.
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Speaker 1: It darted quickly across the sky, he said, and he
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Speaker 1: estimated that its speed was very fast, somewhere in the
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Speaker 1: excess of nine thousand miles per hour. Sounded like a
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Speaker 1: UFO to me, and it wasn't his only sighting. He
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Speaker 1: had a number of them. One year later, in sixteen
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Speaker 1: seventy seven, he reported his sighting of quote, a great
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Speaker 1: light in the sky all over southern England, many miles high,
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Speaker 1: and over the years he would have other strange sightings.
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Speaker 1: In fact, in seventeen fifteen, Edmund Halley says he saw
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Speaker 1: quote bright flashes of light on the moon. We now
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Speaker 1: call these TLP transient lunar phenomenon, which have yet to
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Speaker 1: be explained. Some thought they were perhaps seismic activity on
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Speaker 1: the moon, but we now know that the moon is
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Speaker 1: not seismically active. So what is is we don't know.
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Speaker 1: And another sighting, on the evening of March sixth, seventeen sixteen,
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Speaker 1: Edmund Halley says he saw an unexplained bright light in
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Speaker 1: the sky which endured, forget this, a full two hours,
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Speaker 1: and as he wrote in his own words, a man
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Speaker 1: could easily read print in the light thrown out by
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Speaker 1: the spears from this same body. It did not change
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Speaker 1: for two hours, and then it seemed as if new
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Speaker 1: fuel had been cast on a fire. So this was
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Speaker 1: something out there that he could not explain. Yes, that
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Speaker 1: sighting did occur many, many years ago, centuries, but wow,
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Speaker 1: it's an impressive sighting, and coming from a gentleman who's
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Speaker 1: quite educated in astronomy. They still talk about him today.
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Speaker 1: And here's another astronomer who has been extremely influential in
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Speaker 1: our understanding of what's going on in the skies above us,
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Speaker 1: and that is Sir William Herschel, and he's had some
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Speaker 1: really impressive sightings. Sir William Herschel is a towering figure
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Speaker 1: in the field of astronomy. He was born in seventeen
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Speaker 1: thirty eight in Germany, but did later move to England
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Speaker 1: and he worked very closely with his sister Caroline, learning
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Speaker 1: to become an expert lens grinder and later a leading astronomer.
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Speaker 1: And in fact he built a twenty foot reflector telescope
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Speaker 1: which was then the largest in the world, and then
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Speaker 1: he proceeded to shock the world with a series of
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Speaker 1: incredible discoveries. In fact, in seventeen eighty one, he discovered
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Speaker 1: the planet Uranus, and this was the first new planet
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Speaker 1: to be discovered in centuries. And this was followed by
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Speaker 1: many other discoveries, including the moons of Saturn and Uranus,
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Speaker 1: binary stars, and more, including of course, strange lunar anomalies.
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Speaker 1: In seventeen eighty three, William Herschel was watching the Moon
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Speaker 1: when he observed several unusual bright lights on the lunar surface.
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Speaker 1: Ordered this strange event and continued his observations, and four
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Speaker 1: years later his patience was rewarded again. He observed several
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Speaker 1: unusual bright lights on the Moon's surface, and once again
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Speaker 1: he wrote this all down. He theorized that perhaps these
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Speaker 1: lights were caused by active volcanoes, but again, the Moon
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Speaker 1: has no active volcanoes, and he said that some of
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Speaker 1: these lights appeared to be moving quote above the Moon,
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Speaker 1: so clearly this is something flying around. Another amazing event
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Speaker 1: was on the evening of October two, seventeen ninety, Herschel
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Speaker 1: made one of his most most stunning discoveries of all.
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Speaker 1: There was a total lunar eclipse on this evening and
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Speaker 1: Herschel was closely observing the Moon's surface as it was
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Speaker 1: plunged into the shadow of the Earth, and to his shock,
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Speaker 1: as the Moon's surface became covered in shadow, he still
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Speaker 1: observed several bright glowing objects on its surface, and in fact,
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Speaker 1: he was so impressed that he wrote to the Royal
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Speaker 1: Astronomical Society in England describing his observations and saying, in part,
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Speaker 1: we know too little of the surface of the Moon
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Speaker 1: to venture a surmise of the cause and remarkable color
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Speaker 1: of these points. Now, of course there's been a lot
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Speaker 1: of research into UFO activity on the Moon and some
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Speaker 1: of the stuff that the astronauts allegedly found up there,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty compelling stuff. But Herschel was talking about this
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Speaker 1: way back in the seventeen hundreds, and not only that,
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Speaker 1: he reported seeing many UFOs throughout his life, which he
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Speaker 1: provided various descriptions of sometimes fuzzy objects sometimes quote round
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Speaker 1: or oval, and on a few occasions quote disc shaped.
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Speaker 1: So these are modern days descriptions. And on some occasions
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Speaker 1: he viewed them through telescopes, and he says he could
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Speaker 1: see markings on the surface of them, and these were
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Speaker 1: structured craft of some kind, and he said that their
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Speaker 1: movements excluded them from being explained as meteors or comments.
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Speaker 1: There you go. Herschel's sightings are hard to deny, and
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Speaker 1: there's quite a few of them. Makes me wonder And
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Speaker 1: as we shall see, yeah, most astronomers aren't talking about
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Speaker 1: what they've seen. He did, so kudos to him. But
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Speaker 1: as we'll find out, there is a bit of a
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Speaker 1: cover up going on in the astronomical field where a
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Speaker 1: lot of astronomers are simply not talking about what they've seen.
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Speaker 1: But one who did is Henry Harrison. He's not super
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Speaker 1: well known, but he had a very interesting and quite
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Speaker 1: well confirmed sighting back in the late nineteen eighties, which
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Speaker 1: I think everyone deserves to know about. Moving up through time,
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Speaker 1: sightings by astronomers continued because it was on April twelfth,
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Speaker 1: eighteen seventy nine, when astronomer Henry Harrison of Jersey City,
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, observed a glowing, circular shaped object which he
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Speaker 1: said appeared to be hovering at an extremely high altitude
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Speaker 1: over New York Harbor. But what puzzled Harrison was the
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Speaker 1: fact that this object remained in place while the stars
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Speaker 1: continued to rise and set with the Earth's rotation, and
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Speaker 1: after three hours, he was even more surprised to watch
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Speaker 1: this object abruptly change direction towards the east, so apparently
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Speaker 1: this is being propelled somehow. The next day it was gone,
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Speaker 1: which rules out any theories of comments or other large
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Speaker 1: natural astronomical bodies. So astronomer Henry Harrison reported his sighting
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Speaker 1: to the Naval Observatory in Washington, but received no response.
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Speaker 1: He then contacted the New York Tribune and Scientific American,
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Speaker 1: who did publish his account, and, as it turns out,
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Speaker 1: at the same time of Harrison's sighting, another astronomer, Spencer J.
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Speaker 1: De Veaux of Manhattanville, also apparently observed the same object,
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Speaker 1: which he described as quote wonderfully brilliant, and like Harrison,
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Speaker 1: de Vaux was also astonished by the strange appearance and
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Speaker 1: movement of the object. At one point he took his
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Speaker 1: eyes off the object. He decided to take a short
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Speaker 1: coffee break, and when he returned, this mys mysterious object
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Speaker 1: was gone, so he didn't get to see it leave. Now.
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Speaker 1: Astronomer mors K Jessup carefully studied the written reports of
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Speaker 1: both astronomers, and after triangulating the numbers, he made some
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Speaker 1: pretty startling conclusions, writes Esse. Considered from any approach This
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Speaker 1: object appears to have been organic, intelligently operated and hovering
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Speaker 1: over New York City. From Devo's rough description of the size,
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Speaker 1: this object would have been about a half mile in
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Speaker 1: diameter and add an altitude of eighty to one hundred miles. Now. Interestingly,
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Speaker 1: two years earlier, on June seventeen, eighteen seventy seven, astronomer
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Speaker 1: Henry Harrison also saw an unexplained light on the Moon,
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Speaker 1: which was observed by another astronomer all the way over
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Speaker 1: in England. And his name. Get this, this made me laugh.
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Speaker 1: His name is Frank Dennett. As far as I know,
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Speaker 1: there's no direct relation, but it could be because we
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Speaker 1: do have the name Frank and our family as well,
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Speaker 1: or my family, so that definitely made me scratch my head.
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Speaker 1: But just a little synchronicity there. I always love it
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Speaker 1: when there's multiple witnesses to a single UFO sighting, witnesses
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Speaker 1: who are separated by distance and don't know of each other,
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Speaker 1: because of course, it lends an extra level of credibility
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Speaker 1: to their sighting. And when they are astronomers, I mean
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Speaker 1: you can't deny it. They know exactly what fireballs are
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Speaker 1: in satellites and anything that's going on in the sky.
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Speaker 1: That's their job, so it really behooves us, I think
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Speaker 1: to take the reports seriously. And here's another case from
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Speaker 1: a very high profile astronomer who became quite active in
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Speaker 1: the UFO field in a sense. His name is Lincoln Lepaz,
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Speaker 1: and when there was a whole wave of these very
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Speaker 1: strange green fireballs sweeping down over a particular section of
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Speaker 1: the United States, he became one of the lead investigators
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Speaker 1: in them and was absolutely convinced that something very strange
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Speaker 1: was going on here, and he became a witness himself.
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Speaker 1: On July tenth, nineteen forty seven, a leading astronomer who
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Speaker 1: at the time his identity was withheld by the editors
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Speaker 1: of Life magazine, he reported that he, his wife and
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Speaker 1: two teenage daughters were driving from Klein's Corners to Clovis
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Speaker 1: and Is in New Mexico. This is when they saw
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Speaker 1: an elliptical shaped object high in the clouds. The astronomer,
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Speaker 1: who we now know, of course to be Lincoln la Paz,
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Speaker 1: carefully observed the object and estimated that it was one
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty feet long, sixty five feet wide, and
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Speaker 1: moving up to about one hundred and eighty miles per
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Speaker 1: hour horizontally and up to nine hundred miles per hour vertically.
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Speaker 1: So he was very puzzled by the way the object
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Speaker 1: moved in this strange line, wobbly motion. But most impressive
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Speaker 1: to him was that this object was silent and quote
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Speaker 1: self luminous against the dark clouds. There was no exhaust trail.
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Speaker 1: And he watched this object for nearly three minutes until
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Speaker 1: it moved behind the clouds and again. Lincoln la Paz
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Speaker 1: is a huge figure in astronomy and became very much
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Speaker 1: involved in the studies of the green fireballs. Lincoln Lapaz
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Speaker 1: is quite an impressive character, and if you look into
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Speaker 1: his history and what he did in terms of research,
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Speaker 1: I mean it bleeds into Roswell as well the fireballs
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Speaker 1: of the late nineteen forties early nineteen fifties. He's got
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Speaker 1: some very interesting things to say about the whole UFO field. Now,
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite astronomers who has seen a UFO
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Speaker 1: is none other than Clyde Tombaugh, who, as we shall see,
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Speaker 1: is a very influential astronomer. He changed our understanding of
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Speaker 1: the Solar system in a number of ways, and he
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Speaker 1: had a really impressive and by the way, a multi
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Speaker 1: witness sighting of a structured craft that he himself absolutely
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Speaker 1: insists was not anything conventional. In nineteen thirty, astronomer Clyde W.
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Speaker 1: Tombaugh stunned the world with his discovery of the planet Pluto. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: some astronomers have now downgraded it to a mere planetoid.
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Speaker 1: That was in two thousand and seven. But the discovery
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Speaker 1: of Pluto really electrified the world and earned Claude Tombaugh
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Speaker 1: a permanent place in the field of astronomy. And it
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Speaker 1: was nineteen years later, on August twenty, nineteen forty nine,
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Speaker 1: that Tombo announced his own Ufo sighting, and it failed
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Speaker 1: to generate any of the kind of publicity that his
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Speaker 1: discovery of Pluto did. But it was at ten forty
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Speaker 1: five p m. Again on August twentieth, when Clyde, his
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Speaker 1: wife and mother in law sat in the backyard of
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Speaker 1: their home and lost Cruses, New Mexico. It was a
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Speaker 1: particularly clear night, and Clyde Hambaught noted that even the
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Speaker 1: faintest stars with a magnitude of brightness of six magnitudes
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Speaker 1: were easily visible. So these are fairly dim stars, but
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Speaker 1: he could still see them. That's how clear it was
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Speaker 1: when suddenly he and the other saw something they could
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Speaker 1: not identify. Flying overhead in a geometric formation were six
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Speaker 1: to eight blue green, rectangular shaped lights. These lights were
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Speaker 1: pretty low altitude, he estimated, and moved quickly and silently
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Speaker 1: from the northwest to the southeast, and it soon became
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Speaker 1: clear to him that these lights were attached to a
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Speaker 1: single solid object which actually appeared to have about a
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Speaker 1: half dozen windows or portholes along the front and side
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Speaker 1: that emitted this bright light and cried. Tombaugh concluded instantly
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Speaker 1: that these were neither meteors nor conventional aircraft, but was
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Speaker 1: clearly a quote solid object. So he wrote an official
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Speaker 1: report to the Air Force. Sitting in part, all four
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Speaker 1: of us almost simultaneously became aware of a curious bright object,
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Speaker 1: almost motionless. It showed a sharp and firm rectangular outline,
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Speaker 1: namely one of a smooth elliptical character, much harder and
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Speaker 1: sharper than the edges of the cloudlets. The object clearly
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Speaker 1: exhibited a sort of wobbling motion. He says he was
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Speaker 1: quote thoroughly convinced. This thoroughly convinced me that we were
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Speaker 1: dealing with an absolute novel airborne device. I have done
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Speaker 1: thousands of hours of night sky watching, but never saw
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Speaker 1: a site so strange as this, And he later wrote
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Speaker 1: a letter to NICAP, the National Investigative Committee of Aerial Phenomena,
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Speaker 1: in which he stated, quote as I have said before,
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Speaker 1: I was so unprepared for such a strange site that
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Speaker 1: I was really petrified with astonishment. Consequently, some of the
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Speaker 1: details I might have noted were missed. So years later,
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Speaker 1: Clyde Tombaugh continued to be very vocal about the UFO phenomenon.
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Speaker 1: For example, on February thirteen, nineteen fifty four, he gave
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Speaker 1: a talk to the Astronomy Society at Las Cruces, New Mexico,
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Speaker 1: surprising the audience by predicting that there would be an
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Speaker 1: increase in UFO sightings, and of course he was correct
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Speaker 1: about that, there sure was. Three years later he wrote
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Speaker 1: a letter to researcher Leonard Stringfield in which he revealed
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Speaker 1: that he had quote three objects within the past seven
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Speaker 1: years which defied any explanation of known phenomena such as venus,
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Speaker 1: atmospheric optics, meteors or planes. So he wrote that on
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Speaker 1: these other occasions he had seen the unexplained green fireballs
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Speaker 1: over New Mexico, which, of course Lincoln Lapaz was researching.
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Speaker 1: And Clyde Tombaugh closed his letters saying, quote, I think
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Speaker 1: that several reputable scientists are being unscientific in refusing to
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Speaker 1: entertain the possibility of extraterrestrial origin and nature.
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Speaker 2: Well, the different types of objects that I I've seen,
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Speaker 2: I would say the most extraordinary one was one I
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Speaker 2: saw in nineteen forty nine in August in Las Crucius
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Speaker 2: from my backyard.
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Speaker 3: And that particular evening, my wife and her mother and
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Speaker 3: I were enjoying the cool air, and I was in
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Speaker 3: mind the beautiful transparent sky with the stars, and I
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Speaker 3: happened to be looking over ahead, and suddenly I spied
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Speaker 3: a strange.
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Speaker 2: Group of lights moving and I said not uh, And
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Speaker 2: they saw it immediately.
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Speaker 3: And then I would say they were visible for about
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Speaker 3: three seconds of time.
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Speaker 2: Uh, And they disappeared at a height of about thirty
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Speaker 2: five degrees above the south Southeastian horizon. Uh. No sound,
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Speaker 2: and uh, they seemed to kind of pale out. The
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Speaker 2: rectangles of feeble lights seemed to foreshorten into slints.
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Speaker 3: And uh, I've never seen a rocket before since, And
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Speaker 3: very much as the thing out, I.
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Speaker 1: Wish we had more astronomers like Clyde Tombaugh, who showed
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Speaker 1: no fear in going public with his sighting and actually
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Speaker 1: became quite a strong UFO advocate and really pushed for
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Speaker 1: other astronomers to talk about what they're seeing. But unfortunately
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Speaker 1: a lot of astronomers simply are too afraid to risk
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Speaker 1: their reputation. But there's so many, there's so many cases.
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Speaker 1: Here's another one involved an astronomer by the name of
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Speaker 1: doctor Charles Donald Shane. He's quite a well educated and
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Speaker 1: well respected astronomer who had a very impressive sighting despite
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Speaker 1: allegations of skeptics. There are many accounts on record in
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Speaker 1: which professional astronomers have observed UFOs. Such is the following
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Speaker 1: particularly credible report from astronomer doctor Charles Donald Shane of
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Speaker 1: the Lick Observatory on Mount Hamilton in Santa Claus, California.
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Speaker 1: Because it was on February sixteenth, nineteen fifty that Shane
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Speaker 1: observed a quote queer object which he at first thought
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Speaker 1: might be an asteroid, except for the fact that it was,
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Speaker 1: he said, moving unusually swiftly, and as he says, I
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Speaker 1: call this celestial phenomenon one of the most unusual objects
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Speaker 1: sighted in the sky for a long time. It happens
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Speaker 1: that I saw it by chance. Now he was able
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Speaker 1: to obtain eight photographs of the strange object, But no
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Speaker 1: one knows what happened to these photos or I certainly
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Speaker 1: myself was not able to find them. Do you wish
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Speaker 1: we had access to the photographs he allegedly took. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't able to find them or any evidence of what
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Speaker 1: happened to them. But still another per another astronomer who
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Speaker 1: had a really impressive sighting. And as we go through
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Speaker 1: the year, I mean, it's just one after another after another.
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Speaker 1: Lots of astronomers are seeing UFOs and they don't know
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Speaker 1: what they are. Many are concluding these are extraterrestrial craft.
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Speaker 1: One very impressive and well respected astronomer who had an
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Speaker 1: amazing sighting is none other than Seymour Lester Hess. Astronomer
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Speaker 1: Seymour Lester Hess is best known for his work at
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Speaker 1: Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona, and yeah, he joins the
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Speaker 1: long list of astronomers who have seen UFOs. Was at
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Speaker 1: twelve twenty pm on May twenty, nineteen fifty. Hess was
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Speaker 1: of course at Lowell Observatory when he saw a disc
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Speaker 1: shaped craft was moving slowly against the prevailing wind at
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Speaker 1: an altitude of about twelve thousand feet, so clearly not
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Speaker 1: a balloon, and he said it couldn't be an airplane
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Speaker 1: or a bird. There were no wings or propellers. He
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Speaker 1: actually observed this object through binoculars and was absolutely convinced
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Speaker 1: that it was a powered vehicle of some kind. As
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Speaker 1: he says in his own words, it was extremely prominent
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Speaker 1: and showed some size to the naked eye. That is,
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Speaker 1: it was not merely a pinpoint. Now, this object was
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Speaker 1: totally silent, and as he watched it moved across the
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Speaker 1: sky and disappeared into a large cloud bank. It wasn't huge.
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Speaker 1: Yestimates that it was no wider than five feet, but
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Speaker 1: was moving at about two hundred miles per hour minutally.
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Speaker 1: That is a brief case without a lot of information,
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Speaker 1: But as we go through case after case of astronomer
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Speaker 1: after astronomer, it begins to add up. Astronomers are seeing
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Speaker 1: the UFOs. There's simply no doubt about it. It's undeniable.
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Speaker 1: And another astronomer who has become very active in the
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Speaker 1: US field is none other than Walter Webb. He actually
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Speaker 1: ended up writing a book about UFOs and quite a
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Speaker 1: bit of research into the subject itself. He's very well
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Speaker 1: known in the UFO field, and he had his own sighting.
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Speaker 1: He became an astronomical consultant for a number of researchers
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Speaker 1: and organizations, so his sighting is for me of particular interest.
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Speaker 1: It was on August third, nineteen fifty one that astronomer
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Speaker 1: Walter Webb, who was then the chief lecturer on astronomy
25:34
Speaker 1: at the Charles Hayden Planetarium in Boston, Massachusetts, that he
25:39
Speaker 1: saw UFO. And again, I'll just let him describe what
25:43
Speaker 1: he saw in his own words, because he describes it vividly.
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Speaker 1: As Walter Webb says, it was a clear, moonless night.
25:52
Speaker 1: I had been showing two boys various celestial objects to
25:56
Speaker 1: my three and one half inch reflecting telescope and pointing
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Speaker 1: out constellations. The time was about eleven PM or midnight.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly I noticed a glowing yellow or yellowish red light
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Speaker 1: moving in an undulating path, but on a straight course,
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Speaker 1: over the hills of Silver Lake. As the objects traveled
26:19
Speaker 1: slowly westward in this peculiar manner, the three of us
26:23
Speaker 1: watched in fascination. It was at such a low elevation
26:27
Speaker 1: that its regular wavelike course caused it to dip behind
26:31
Speaker 1: the hills a few times. So this is an important observation.
26:36
Speaker 1: The sort of wobbling undulating motion is something we do
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Speaker 1: see with genuine UFO reports. And Walter Webb, knowing astronomy,
26:46
Speaker 1: was absolutely stunned and realized he was seeing something very unusual.
26:52
Speaker 1: So he swung the telescope around to view it, but
26:55
Speaker 1: unfortunately by then the object had gone. Nevertheless, he was
27:00
Speaker 1: very impressed, as he says, I had seen something in
27:04
Speaker 1: the sky that I could not explain. No known object
27:08
Speaker 1: I could think of followed a path like that. My
27:11
Speaker 1: UFO appeared to be a bright, glowing object moving in
27:15
Speaker 1: a regular wavy pattern. There you go another astronomer. He's
27:20
Speaker 1: unequivocal about what he saw, that this was something exceedingly
27:26
Speaker 1: strange and not explainable as anything from Earth. So how
27:32
Speaker 1: many cases do you need? Because here's another, And this
27:35
Speaker 1: comes from Shaldach who is a very esteemed astronomer and
27:42
Speaker 1: had an incredible sighting along with another gentleman, and were
27:45
Speaker 1: able to observe this in very scientific objective way. It's
27:50
Speaker 1: an impressive sighting. This case is a really good example
27:54
Speaker 1: of how Project Bluebook officers appeared to be biased in
27:57
Speaker 1: their investigations because it was in nineteen fifty four that Shaldach,
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Speaker 1: a former astronomer for Lowell Observatory, was at the time
28:08
Speaker 1: working in a civilian capacity in the Technical Service unit
28:12
Speaker 1: at White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico. This is
28:16
Speaker 1: an area of lots of UFO activity. His duty at
28:20
Speaker 1: the time involved the camera monitoring of missile launches, and
28:24
Speaker 1: it was at ten pm on the evening of January
28:27
Speaker 1: twenty five, nineteen fifty four, he was setting up his
28:31
Speaker 1: ballistic camera to monitor a launch, and as he looked
28:35
Speaker 1: at the stars to calibrate his instrument, he noticed a
28:39
Speaker 1: quote yellow white light moving from the northeast to the
28:43
Speaker 1: southeast in a shallow arc, and he said, this object
28:46
Speaker 1: seemed to pulse in brightness at regular intervals. Now he
28:51
Speaker 1: was not the only one seeing this. Meanwhile, seventeen miles
28:55
Speaker 1: southeast of his location, another White Sands employee I also
29:00
Speaker 1: viewed the object, and both these gentlemen were trained observers,
29:05
Speaker 1: and correlating each other's observations, they quickly performed triangulation measurements
29:13
Speaker 1: and determined that this object was apparently about twelve miles
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Speaker 1: distant and moving at get this twelve thousand miles per hour,
29:25
Speaker 1: far faster than anything we have, far too slow to
29:28
Speaker 1: be a meteor. And as Shaldac says, quote, I have
29:33
Speaker 1: observed many thousands of meteors and can definitely state that
29:37
Speaker 1: this object was not any kind of meteor. Now, Shaldak
29:43
Speaker 1: did work with famed astronomer Clyde Tombaugh and quickly alerted
29:48
Speaker 1: him of this sighting, while Clyde Tombaugh in turn encouraged
29:53
Speaker 1: Shaldak to report the sighting to Project blue Book, which
29:57
Speaker 1: he did. However, fite the fact that these professional astronomers
30:02
Speaker 1: insisted that the object was not a medior, Blue Book
30:06
Speaker 1: investigators wrote and their official conclusion of the case quote
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Speaker 1: was astronomical medior. How about that I heard that Project
30:19
Speaker 1: Blue Book officers labeled that case as a meteor. I
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Speaker 1: mean I laughed out loud, Because they're not astronomers. They
30:26
Speaker 1: are clearly debunking in this case, throwing away the almost
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Speaker 1: unimpeachable testimony from people who are trained observers and know
30:39
Speaker 1: what they saw and said over and over again, this
30:41
Speaker 1: is not a meteor, so for Product Blue Book officers
30:45
Speaker 1: to call this a medior is absolutely ludicrous. Just another
30:50
Speaker 1: indication that, as j Allen Heinek himself said, Project blue
30:55
Speaker 1: Book was not a true investigative body. What a travesty,
31:00
Speaker 1: what a shame. Our own governments are really mishandling this
31:03
Speaker 1: UFO situation up to this very day. That's why I've
31:07
Speaker 1: often said it, I simply do not trust them. I
31:10
Speaker 1: don't think we'll ever get true disclosure from them. We
31:14
Speaker 1: need to look to the first hand witnesses if we
31:17
Speaker 1: want the truth about what's going on with UFOs and ets.
31:22
Speaker 1: And here's another case from a very well known astronomer
31:26
Speaker 1: who also became quite active in the field. His name
31:30
Speaker 1: is doctor Percy Wilkins, and he had a crazy interesting
31:34
Speaker 1: sighting onto our next case. June eleven, nineteen fifty four.
31:39
Speaker 1: Esteemed British lunar astronomer, doctor Percy Wilkins was on a
31:45
Speaker 1: plane flying from Charleston, West Virginia, to Atlanta, Georgia, when
31:50
Speaker 1: at ten forty five am, he saw two brilliant oval
31:56
Speaker 1: shaped objects hovering above the tops of Gemulus class he
32:00
Speaker 1: estimates about two miles away. He said that these objects
32:04
Speaker 1: were quote sharp edged objects. They looked exactly like polished
32:10
Speaker 1: metal plates reflecting the sunlight, so your classic flying saucer.
32:15
Speaker 1: And he says the objects were moving north against the
32:18
Speaker 1: direction of the clouds, and he then saw a third
32:21
Speaker 1: object which was behind the cloud, dark and not reflecting
32:26
Speaker 1: any sunlight. And as he watched, this third object suddenly accelerated,
32:31
Speaker 1: arking across the sky and disappearing. And he estimates that
32:35
Speaker 1: these objects were about fifty feet in diameter. And I
32:40
Speaker 1: love this quote from Percy Wilkins about this. Zee says,
32:45
Speaker 1: if these UFOs are made of solid matter and capable
32:49
Speaker 1: of moving by their own will in all directions and
32:52
Speaker 1: at all speeds, then they are built pihlighted and controlled
32:56
Speaker 1: by intelligences that surpass that of humans. It's a very
33:02
Speaker 1: good observation. Another fantastic case. And here we have an
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Speaker 1: astronomer saying flat out, I think these are extraterrestrial. And
33:13
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing for people to speculate about
33:16
Speaker 1: what these are, but when you have a first hand experience,
33:19
Speaker 1: that's knowledge that is unimpeachable. It's not speculation whatsoever. He
33:27
Speaker 1: saw it. And that's what I love about these astronomer
33:31
Speaker 1: sightings is that they are really well educated, and they
33:34
Speaker 1: can rule out all the natural astronomical phenomena such as
33:39
Speaker 1: venus and fireballs and ball lightning and what have you.
33:46
Speaker 1: Something clearly is going on here. All these skeptics simply
33:50
Speaker 1: don't have a leg to stand on anymore because there
33:53
Speaker 1: are too many well trained observers who have seen UFOs
33:57
Speaker 1: very close up. And this next case is probably my
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Speaker 1: favorite of the bunch because it involves an astronomer who's
34:05
Speaker 1: very well known, very well educated, highly respected, and he
34:11
Speaker 1: is Frank Halsted, and he had a really interesting sighting
34:16
Speaker 1: which he was very vocal about and talked about it
34:19
Speaker 1: without any fear of ridicule or disbelief, and actually spoke
34:25
Speaker 1: against all the ridicule and disbelief that is surrounding this
34:28
Speaker 1: subject and is causing even astronomers to remain silent. It
34:33
Speaker 1: was on November one, nineteen fifty five, that astronomer Frank Halsted,
34:38
Speaker 1: who was then the director of Darling Observatory in Duluth, Minnesota,
34:43
Speaker 1: who was traveling with his wife on a train through
34:46
Speaker 1: Death Valley, California. And I will just quote Frank Halstead
34:51
Speaker 1: directly as he says, my wife was sitting next to
34:56
Speaker 1: the window, and she called my attention to an object.
34:59
Speaker 1: What she saw something moving just above the mountain range.
35:03
Speaker 1: Our train was running parallel to this range of mountains,
35:07
Speaker 1: and this thing was moving in the same direction as
35:10
Speaker 1: the train, just above the mountains. At first I thought
35:15
Speaker 1: the thing was a blimp, you know, one of those
35:17
Speaker 1: cigar shaped dirigibles. But as I watched it, I realized
35:21
Speaker 1: it could not be a blimp. They are only about
35:24
Speaker 1: two hundred feet long, and this thing was gigantic, about
35:28
Speaker 1: eight hundred feet long. Now, suddenly they both saw a
35:33
Speaker 1: second object swoop up behind the first, and, as Frank
35:37
Speaker 1: Halstead says, it was a disc shaped thing. In fact,
35:42
Speaker 1: both objects were very shiny, we noticed, but this second
35:45
Speaker 1: one was definitely disc shaped. And he estimates that this
35:50
Speaker 1: second object was at least one hundred feet in diameter.
35:54
Speaker 1: And he and his wife watched it for several minutes
35:57
Speaker 1: as both of these objects maneuvered about one hundred feet
36:01
Speaker 1: over the ridge. That certainly wouldn't be a dirigible, not
36:06
Speaker 1: maneuvering like that, not at that low altitude, certainly not
36:09
Speaker 1: in that area. And as they watch these objects first
36:13
Speaker 1: rose slowly, then faster, and in a few seconds darted away.
36:20
Speaker 1: Blimps don't dart, so clearly not a blimp. Now. Later,
36:24
Speaker 1: Frank Halstead would become a member and an advisor for
36:28
Speaker 1: NIGHTCAP again the National Investigative Committee on Aerial Phenomena, and
36:34
Speaker 1: he has some very strong words about the whole UFO phenomena.
36:40
Speaker 1: As Frank says, all over the world, credible witnesses are
36:44
Speaker 1: reporting experiences similar to mine. Holding these people up to
36:49
Speaker 1: ridicule does not alter the existing facts. The time is
36:54
Speaker 1: long overdue for accepting the presence of these things, whatever
36:58
Speaker 1: they are, in dealing with them and the public on
37:01
Speaker 1: a basis of realism. You go, Frank, You tell him
37:06
Speaker 1: this is way back in nineteen fifty five. He's still
37:09
Speaker 1: fighting against UFO secrecy and what we're still dealing with
37:15
Speaker 1: this darn UFO cover up here. He is talking like
37:19
Speaker 1: almost seventy years ago, and we're still trying to overcome
37:24
Speaker 1: the ridicule and disbelief surrounding this subject. Ridiculous. I think
37:29
Speaker 1: you'll agree. Frank Halsted's sighting is truly amazing of a
37:33
Speaker 1: structured craft. He wasn't alone when he saw it. It's
37:37
Speaker 1: a great sighting. Now, a discussion about UFOs and astronomers,
37:42
Speaker 1: of course, wouldn't be complete unless we mentioned Jacques Valet, who,
37:48
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you know, is a true pioneer in
37:50
Speaker 1: this field, has been working on UFO studies for many,
37:56
Speaker 1: many decades and came into this field as an astronom,
38:00
Speaker 1: very skeptical until he had an encounter himself and saw
38:07
Speaker 1: that this subject was being covered up and evidence being destroyed.
38:12
Speaker 1: So I'd just like to provide a brief quote from
38:15
Speaker 1: Jacques Vallet himself. Yeah, anyone who's been in the field
38:19
Speaker 1: of UFOs for any length of time knows Jacques Vallet,
38:22
Speaker 1: the author of countless books, a very vocal person on
38:26
Speaker 1: this subject of UFOs, and he was an astronomer when
38:32
Speaker 1: he became involved in this subject, and I will just
38:36
Speaker 1: quote him directly, as Jacques says, when I was beginning
38:41
Speaker 1: my career in science, the main argument against UFOs was
38:46
Speaker 1: that astronomers never saw them, and I found that argument convincing.
38:52
Speaker 1: Now this all changed in nineteen sixty one when he
38:55
Speaker 1: and others were at the Paris Observatory in France and
39:00
Speaker 1: they actually tracked an unexplained object and the reaction to
39:05
Speaker 1: this absolutely stunned Jacques Valais, as he says in his
39:10
Speaker 1: own words, I thought, here we are at a renowned institution,
39:15
Speaker 1: seeing something we can't explain and destroying data for fear
39:20
Speaker 1: of ridicule. That for me reopened the entire question. So yeah,
39:27
Speaker 1: you heard that right. They were getting rid of the
39:29
Speaker 1: data of these UFOs because they didn't fit into the
39:33
Speaker 1: worldview and they didn't want to confront skeptics for fear
39:38
Speaker 1: of ridicule. That's in science. So thankfully Jacques Valet said
39:44
Speaker 1: that's enough, and that's what brought him into the UFO field.
39:49
Speaker 1: There you go. Jacques Vat himself had an experience. I
39:53
Speaker 1: know he has some interesting and somewha controversial theories about
39:57
Speaker 1: the origins of UFOs. I don't think he's completely ruled
40:02
Speaker 1: out the extraterrestrial theory, despite what some people say. I mean,
40:07
Speaker 1: he did in fact recently write a book Trinity, about
40:10
Speaker 1: a UFO crash. So I think it's important we leave
40:15
Speaker 1: open the possibility. I personally think that this is extraterrestrial
40:21
Speaker 1: in origin, just based on the evidence. We all have
40:25
Speaker 1: the freedom, of course, to make up our own minds
40:27
Speaker 1: about it and interpret the evidence as we will, but
40:31
Speaker 1: to deny the possibility of extraterrestrial origin for UFOs is
40:37
Speaker 1: I think foolhardy, because you only need to take a
40:40
Speaker 1: brief look at the sky see only stars are out there,
40:43
Speaker 1: and it would be inconceivable that we are alone in
40:48
Speaker 1: this universe. And certainly the evidence is showing us that
40:51
Speaker 1: we aren't alone. And that is what most contactees will
40:55
Speaker 1: tell you. They believe UFOs and their experiences can be
41:00
Speaker 1: explained as extraterrestrials, the vast majority of them certainly. Okay,
41:06
Speaker 1: and now I'd like to quote force the great j
41:11
Speaker 1: Allen Heineck Jay Allen Heinick, who is I'm sure you know,
41:16
Speaker 1: was the astronomical consultant for Project Blue Book, and while
41:21
Speaker 1: it's not super well known, he apparently had a sighting
41:24
Speaker 1: himself and he certainly has something to say that's very
41:27
Speaker 1: important about when astronomers see UFOs. Another person who I'm
41:33
Speaker 1: sure you've heard of if you've heard of UFOs, is
41:36
Speaker 1: Jay Allen Heineck, who four years was the Blue Book
41:40
Speaker 1: astronomy consultant. Now, in nineteen fifty two he did something
41:46
Speaker 1: very interesting regarding UFOs and astronomers. He held a conference
41:52
Speaker 1: with astronomers on this subject, which, of course at the
41:55
Speaker 1: time was even more controversial, and after interviewing forty five astronomers,
42:02
Speaker 1: he learned that several of them had seen UFOs. As
42:06
Speaker 1: he says, over forty astronomers were interviewed, of which five
42:11
Speaker 1: had made sightings of one sort or another. This is
42:14
Speaker 1: a higher percentage than among the populace at large. Perhaps
42:19
Speaker 1: this is to be expected since astronomers do, after all,
42:23
Speaker 1: watch the skies now. Doctor j Allen Heinich also apparently
42:30
Speaker 1: had a UFO sighting. While the exact date is unknown
42:34
Speaker 1: and I don't believe he ever spoke personally about it,
42:37
Speaker 1: it was prior to nineteen seventy two. He was on
42:40
Speaker 1: board an airline flight and saw an object outside his
42:43
Speaker 1: window moving at the same speed of the plane. He
42:47
Speaker 1: reached down, grabbed his camera and snapped two photos, but
42:51
Speaker 1: what the objects were has never been determined. Yeah, Heinik
42:56
Speaker 1: is a superstar in this field. When he talks about UFO,
43:00
Speaker 1: I think that we really should listen because he's been there,
43:04
Speaker 1: He's done that, He studied it for many, many years.
43:07
Speaker 1: Even his son to this day, Paul Heinek, is in
43:10
Speaker 1: the UFO field on the lecture circuit, carrying on the
43:14
Speaker 1: legacy of his amazing father. And another gentleman who's astronomer
43:22
Speaker 1: and very well respected is doctor Peter Sturuck, who wrote
43:26
Speaker 1: a book about UFOs, approaching it from a very scientific method,
43:31
Speaker 1: and he found out some very interesting things about what
43:35
Speaker 1: happens when astronomers see UFOs. Doctor Peter A. Sturrock is
43:40
Speaker 1: a professor of physics at Stanford University, and he decided
43:45
Speaker 1: to tackle the UFO subject in a scientific manner because
43:49
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven he sent out two thousand, six
43:54
Speaker 1: hundred and eleven questionnaires all to members of the American
43:58
Speaker 1: Astronomical Societ, and about half responded. He received three hundred
44:05
Speaker 1: and fifty six responses sixty two from astronomers who said
44:10
Speaker 1: that they themselves had observed apparent UFOs, but they said,
44:16
Speaker 1: most of them that they elected to remain silent in
44:20
Speaker 1: fear of damaging their credibility among their colleagues. And others
44:24
Speaker 1: said that they never had a sighting, but if they
44:27
Speaker 1: ever did, they would not report it for the same reasons. Again,
44:32
Speaker 1: how can you possibly call this objective science? So there
44:36
Speaker 1: you go. I mean, how many cases do you need
44:39
Speaker 1: of astronomers who have seen UFOs? There is a compilation
44:43
Speaker 1: of more than three hundred astronomers who have seen UFOs.
44:47
Speaker 1: It's not too hard to find on the internet. To
44:50
Speaker 1: just type in astronomers and UFOs and perhaps type in
44:54
Speaker 1: some of the names I presented above, and you should
44:59
Speaker 1: be to find it pretty easily. Yeah, a lot of cases. Again,
45:04
Speaker 1: it's a complete misconception that astronomers don't see UFOs, because
45:08
Speaker 1: they do. Researcher Alejandro Rojas also spoke vocally about many
45:16
Speaker 1: of the astronomers who have seen UFOs. He has some
45:20
Speaker 1: interesting things to say, for sure. Alejandro Rojas is well
45:24
Speaker 1: known for being one of the researchers on Open Minds TV,
45:29
Speaker 1: and he has spoken about this connection between astronomers and
45:35
Speaker 1: UFOs becau. As he writes, and I quote often people
45:39
Speaker 1: will ask me, if there are so many UFOs, why
45:43
Speaker 1: aren't astronomers seeing them? They are. In fact, astronomers have
45:48
Speaker 1: been some of the most influential advocates for the serious
45:52
Speaker 1: study of UFOs. We reviewed some of these settings and
45:56
Speaker 1: the incredible contributions astronomers have made to this of UFOs.
46:01
Speaker 1: The person who has been very vocal about UFOs recently
46:06
Speaker 1: is Harvard astronomer Avi Lobe, who has got some controversial
46:12
Speaker 1: views on the subject, to say the least, but has
46:15
Speaker 1: put forth some very positive statements about UFO reality. As
46:20
Speaker 1: we all know, withholding evidence or the truth does not
46:23
Speaker 1: help scientific progress. And A. Vi Lobe, a professor of
46:28
Speaker 1: astrophysics at Harvard University, has been quoted on this subject
46:34
Speaker 1: a number of times, and as he says, UFOs should
46:39
Speaker 1: be the subject of mainstream inquiry. Science must bring clarity.
46:46
Speaker 1: And Avi Lobe said in a July twenty twenty one statement, quote,
46:51
Speaker 1: science should not reject potential extraterrestrial explanations because of social
46:56
Speaker 1: stigma or cultural preferences that are not conducive to the
47:00
Speaker 1: scientific method of unbiased empirical inquiry. It's quite a mouthful,
47:08
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's just basically saying we need to be
47:10
Speaker 1: objective and consider the possibility that we are being visited
47:14
Speaker 1: by extraterrestrials. I totally agree, because I think that is
47:19
Speaker 1: exactly what the evidence is showing us. Well, there you go,
47:23
Speaker 1: all you skeptics out there who say that astronomers haven't
47:26
Speaker 1: seen UFOs, Well they do, and they are and they have.
47:33
Speaker 1: So I think this provides great ammunition for anyone who's
47:36
Speaker 1: trying to convince a skeptic out there, let them know
47:39
Speaker 1: that yes, Edmund Halley, Percy Wilkins, Frank Halstead, Seymour has
47:45
Speaker 1: so many astronomers out there have seen UFOs that it's
47:51
Speaker 1: time to just leave that misconception behind. It's not true again.
47:57
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about this, I did
48:00
Speaker 1: put a chapter in my book Not from Here, Volume five.
48:04
Speaker 1: It's called when Astronomers ceufos and I go into all
48:07
Speaker 1: these cases in some detail. So definitely check that out
48:12
Speaker 1: if you're interested. But either way, this is just another
48:17
Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle that lets us know that this
48:20
Speaker 1: is a real thing going on here. I don't even
48:24
Speaker 1: like to use the word phenomenon because it's it's just
48:27
Speaker 1: another natural event in our universe. We're not alone. I
48:32
Speaker 1: don't see what's so hard to believe about that. The
48:35
Speaker 1: fact is we are here living on a planet, physical
48:39
Speaker 1: flesh and blood beings who do have interdimensional aspects too.
48:43
Speaker 1: By the way, that does not preclude us from being
48:47
Speaker 1: terrestrial or extraterrestrial, or call it what you will. I
48:52
Speaker 1: think the evidence speaks very loudly that there are other
48:54
Speaker 1: people out there in these cases from astronomers, again provide
48:58
Speaker 1: another piece of the puzzle point towards this. So that's
49:03
Speaker 1: this episode for today. I hope you enjoyed it and
49:06
Speaker 1: perhaps learned a little bit. I really appreciate you guys watching.
49:11
Speaker 1: I am truly honored and delighted and just want to
49:16
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being a part of this journey.
49:20
Speaker 1: And that's it until next time. Keep asking those hard questions, always,
49:27
Speaker 1: keep searching for the truth, and most important of all,
49:31
Speaker 1: keep having fun' sit for now. Bye.