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MHH #1165: Aftermath: Sean Payton Pushes Back at Negative Post-SNF Narrative · Mile High Huddle Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Mile High Huddle Podcast with your football freeze, Chad Jensen and Zach Kilmer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, Broncos Country is not a geographical location.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a state of being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome in everybody at the Mile High Huddle podcast the aftermath episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Chad Jensen with me my fellow football priest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You love him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zach Kelberman Zach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos have now moved to ten and two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll find out tonight whether they're able to for now retain the number one seed as the Patriots are taken on the Giants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go Giants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But
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[SPEAKER_02]: For those who were saying, you know, hey, man, the Broncos kind of escaped with a win over the, the commander's on Sunday night football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Peyton doesn't want to hear that noise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, we didn't escape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We won the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was not happy for that kind of, um, I don't know, posturing or portrayal of how the Broncos won that game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this instance, he happens to be correct, or at least I agree with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows all too well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Winning is super hard to come by in this business chat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you never apologize for them, no matter how ugly no matter how hard fought no matter how down to the wire they are, it's really hard to win in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you're 10 and 2, no matter how you get there, it's nothing to apologize for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm with him on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The haters can suck his, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He made he said something today that made me realize just how insane this winning streak is I mean nine games right is not easy in the NFL and the way I know it's you know mixed sports metaphors or comparing one sport to another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: people kind of get all uh up in arms over such things and what not however his explanation he said uh we begin feeling this confidence in this buildup a long time ago but when you get on a streak
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[SPEAKER_02]: Generally when you have a good team, you win how many games in a row at some point and when you win nine in a row and then convert that to baseball or basketball you guys do the math he said what would it be you know it's like 45 games so it's a lot close quote which kind of puts things in a different perspective that when you think about I mean maybe
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos winning streak and the fact that they're 10 and 2 isn't being fully appreciated or reckoned with both at the local and the national level because even last night, he had his own local beat reporters gone, you know, how do you feel escaping with this win?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like dude, we just won a gnarly game against a desperate team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's kind of ironic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching the 2023, one of the chiefs, Brock, who is games with Russell Wilson at quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he had a couple rushing scores.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they took it down to the fourth quarter, down to the wire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They almost upset Kansas City.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My point in bringing this up is we dealt with over the last decade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So many pretty losses, quote, unquote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the ugliest win always feels better than the prettiest loss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's again why I'm wish on Peyton there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they win by one point or by 100 points, style of points do not factor in the NFL, the Prophets are 10 and 2.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all that matters at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have a chance, guys, to tie and surpass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the Peyton Manning 2012 winning streak, which was 11 games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what do they got to do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They would have to beat the Raiders this coming week and then the Packers at home, the following week, and they'd get to 11 and tie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sam Bam, what's going on, brother?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great to see you, one of our Mount Rushmore superstars and a dear member, Sam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even in guys, got to leave for a meeting so I wanted to get my super chat in before I leave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Odd dude, you're a sweetheart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still shocked from that finish last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Show's it's a game of inches because if Benito doesn't bat that ball, probably a loss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 10 and 2, it was for sure a loss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That ball was
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man coverage zero blitz that dude was wide open if Benito doesn't get his his his clubhand by the way not his fingers his club up on that suckers That yeah, the Broncos suffer a defeat and they're now 93
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll have a takeaways piece coming Sam and one of my takeaways is Nick Benito won't win Deploy this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll probably be probably be Miles Garrett, but Nick Benito made a Deploy play on that battered pass because like Chad said and the broadcast pointed out that was a sure fire conversion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Broncos would have lost that game if not for him getting his mid on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's totally a game of inches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bo Nix said the same thing about the past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a court and something the touchdowns added.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His knee was so close to the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even Sean Peyton said he was concerned that he was really down and he wasn't Bo Nix said the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Game of inches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Turns out, Vic Fangeo was a sage, he knew what he was talking about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was in over his head, I don't know, kind of like with VJ on his stint as head coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think about Vic Fangeo's acting, it's like, if you would have had a...
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[SPEAKER_02]: an established quarterback maybe he could have maybe that wisdom and that defensive wizardry could have availed the Broncos, but I still don't think that's just not what he's cut out to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Vic fangeos just like Wade Phillips kind of a lousy head coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to I mean that's Wade's own
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm quoting way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a lousy head coach, but I'm a great coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Big fangeo kind of the same, but Sam, dude, thank you pal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We also have the Papa Bear jumping in, great to see a big dog, buck them all day long with that T-shirt with a B, much love and respect to one of our long time superstars and members and just one of our dear friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It says good evening, Broncos Country, 13 and 4 plus plus plus, God bless the USA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll tell you this, Papa Bear, when you first came into the community
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[SPEAKER_02]: engage in with you and talking and you're like, no, call me pop a bear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell you that the grown man in me had a little bit of a hard time calling you call me pop a bear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh man, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of hard for me to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when I finally met you in person at the meet and greet, I was like, yeah, pop a bear all day long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're the pop a bear, bro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you've been on the 13 and 4 train for quite a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll give you credit there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Broncos might still hit it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's a legit shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to finish with that record if they can just play some consistent football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But thank you so much for the super as always.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got David Young could also jump in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, David.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great question for the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it was the Chiefs or Ravens or Regals or Bills, playing like this all season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you say winning nine in a row.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What anyone say anything, no, they would say that this is what great teams do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you explain it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to say, I think part of it, we already know the whole Sean Peyton bias thing as a good friend of mine who covered him for a few years in Dallas told me that he's hard to love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Peyton, he's great at what he does, but he's hard to love how much of that plays a part in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it has a factor, but I think also Zack the fact that the Broncos were so incompetent for so long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, first of all, that eight year span.
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[SPEAKER_02]: it was unprecedented in in Super Bowl era Bronco cannon right we know that but it's also pretty hard to do Zach as just an NFL team there's only four or five teams like that you know out of 32 Zach that can go eight years without making the playoffs and so just kind of in the same way I think David that a undrafted guy trying to make a team has to play like twice as
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[SPEAKER_02]: as the first round pick or the veteran in order to get the same amount of opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's kind of similar with what the Broncos are going through right now as as far as the media attention and appreciation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: David, you also named all the media darling teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're chiefs, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Buffalo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Broncos are far from a media darling, but I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually something I thought about putting on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when let's say Buffalo, we're Kansas City.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They squeak by an opponent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say it's a tough hard fought victory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when the Broncos do it, they say they're fraudulent, they say they're still a bad team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always going to be for whatever reason, whether it's because of the Broncos being irrelevant in the post-painting era, or because of Sean Payton, or whatever factor, there's always going to be a media bias against Denver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can win the Super Bowl this year, and they'll still find a way to crap on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, as we always say around here, let him hate what him hate indeed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's some really interesting parallels taking shape here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Relative to some historical Stinctions milestones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean this team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they was it on the broadcast last night It might have been something I was watching after the fact, but just drawn the parallels that With the 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers which were quarterback by a second year Ben Rothlussberger who went on to as we all can remember with bitter disappointment
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[SPEAKER_02]: defeating the Broncos in Denver in the AFC Championship game, advancing to the Super Bowl and defeating the Sean Alexander Hasselbeck Seattle Seahawks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Zach, there's some parallels between that team and this team, especially with Bonix, being a second-year guide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How about it's their best record since 2015.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They went on their first 8 game winning streak since 2015, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The site of the Super Bowl is the same place where the 2015 Super Bowl was, where the Broncos defeated the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to get ahead of myself, but it does feel a little bit like the Broncos or a team of destiny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels a little bit like we're on a very special ride, and we should enjoy it, to whoever it's taking us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got Donald Olmstead in the house, a superstar, a dear member.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great to see you big dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the super chat support.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, good evening, guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean also mentioned how the Saints beat the Redskins in 2009.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're Super Bowl year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in overtime 33 30 it was game 12 to so I'm happy to send the rat poison to the rest of the league let him hate yeah he did talk about that after the game and like he felt like as they were exiting the field he's kind of whistle and past the graveyard like let's hurry and get to the locker room before they call us back onto the field because you know we just like we got really lucky in this one type feeling that he conveyed but uh
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, man, it was a tough win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we can talk about the extanguating circumstances a little bit against that, like the fact that it was East Coast, prime time, crappy conditions, terrible field, a by-week rust, all that stuff, and a Washington team that Sean Payton, I mean, as he's talked about after the game, look, this was,
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[SPEAKER_02]: team that was in the NFC Championship game last season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're very talented.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've just dealt with some very unfortunate injuries this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like let's let's also give Washington.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's credit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, they had a tremendous game plan on offense and they should have won the game if Nick Benito didn't pat the past down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They played up for the Broncos and meanwhile the Broncos played it down to the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an off night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a let down in many areas including on defense butts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a let down with the Broncos emerging victorious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I do like Donna as an aside and as you mentioned here, Sean Pate is such an NFL historian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has that photographic memory of games that happened 20 or 30 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: quite like that about him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lot, uh, Sean Payton deserves a lot of credit for where this team is at and to quote, Mr. producer, are you still eating your heart out over that first and second round pick, the Broncos gave up for his coaching rights.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would hope not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: back to the conversation we go, Zach, if Sean Payton, if the Broncos, as you mentioned earlier, they might, who knows, it kind of feels like a team of destiny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if that is, indeed, how it shakes out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell you, dude, this is going to be on a level of, like, Babe Ruth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: pointing to the stands, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, no, I mean, calling your shot, speaking it into existence that way, like it's going to be remembered for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Gibbs and a dear member jumping in, I remember she says when the Broncos won their first Super Bowl, and instead of congratulating Denver, all they talked about was why Green Bay lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of a similar thing that I was saying earlier, Zach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a slight difference back then in that the Broncos, it wasn't so much eight years of ignomini.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more like every time they'd gotten to the dance, not only had they lost, they'd been pretty much humiliated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: L.A. couldn't win the big one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Packers were the defending champs, heavily favored in the game,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the following year when that Broncos as defending world champs just marched right through the NFL vanquishing one foe after another and to quote March Lairoth who in the what do they call that the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the lumbarity that NFL network does for the world champion teams, uh, America's team for the America's team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, he said by the time the Broncos got to the Super Bowl against the Falcons, he wasn't trying to make a lie to, but he's like, we were not worried about losing this game, and we stepped out on the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more like our duty to go out and handle this inferior team, which they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Sue, that all predates me a little bit, but it sounds like not much has changed since all those many years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, if the Broncos win the Super Bowl and they talk about the other team, who really cares the Broncos won the Super Bowl?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll take it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cody Dubb, a dear member of Superstar checkin' in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hope the family's doing well, Big Dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Says, Bowlin' Pap Bowlin' is looking down on this team, smiling ear to ear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let the rest of the league hate, but we're still 10 and two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mr. B could rest easy, regardless, I mean, his contributions to Bronco Cannon are infinite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but yes, Zach, I can imagine that he is very pleased by what he is seeing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: could you ask for a better ownership situation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they haven't been there as long as Mr. B on the Broncos and they still have some left to prove the Walton ownership group chat, but unlimited funds it seems like and they're mostly hands off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They let the football people make the football decisions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the ideal marriage right there that you want for an ownership group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think Cody, he's very happy with where his team is heading right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks again, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Thompson, one of our members.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a member, even though he's had some problems with one of his cards or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike's a member in our hearts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We still might hope to see it tomorrow for the kelvin's corner in noon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's hope we see you then big dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he says, I said before the season and I'll say it now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The defense stays healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We will win it all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indeed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's going to be health is always that one of those pivotal blessings, you know, if a team can make it through the stretch run healthy, it makes a huge difference for their playoff outlook, but it's easier said than done and we're going to knock on what I'm going to knock on what as I say this act, there's still five games left to go, but that has been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, one of the hallmarks of the Sean Peyton here and now, which is stretched to almost three years, is that the constant and endless injury plague that the Broncos were dealing with here to four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Before he showed up, thing of the past, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I knocked wood there with you, Chad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's hoping they do stay healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's as big of a factor in making a championship or on as anything is lock in health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So God willing, the Broncos do stay healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Mike, it's not just as simple as staying healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Broncos, I don't disagree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can make a run to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, some betting markets have them as the favorite as the NFC team to win the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The AFC team, excuse me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they also, as we saw yesterday, they were at full health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had green law, they had PS2, they had everyone out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were a lot of holes in the figurative boat, the rushing defense, the passing defense was leaky, they didn't have any real pressure on Marcus Maryota, a backup quarterback, by the way, who went up and down the field at will against them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all correctable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These issues are all fixable, but there are issues nonetheless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to contend with on defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Mario to finish with 294 passing yards, two turties that one pick, and then he also threw in 55 rush yards on 10 attempts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, he and Bonix pretty much contributed about the same number of yards from Scrimmage, and Bonix wasn't going against the Broncos defense that everyone has come to fear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's some things to learn from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we talk a little bit about this last night post game, but,
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the Gut Reactions Act, but I do think the close familiarity with which Cliff King's very advanced Joseph that relationship and history working together in Arizona, I do think that played a part, especially in their game planning, recognizing certain trends and this and that from their time together, VJs kind of feel for how he likes to call things situationally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The commanders had a lot of answers, the Broncos were struggling for in critical
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that had a bigger role to play than a lot of people realized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You brought a blast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't even considered that Cliff King's Barry's familiarity with Vijay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If very well could be, they had a great game plan in place that neutralized the Broncos pass rush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chad, they had the lowest pressure rate since the 70-20 game in 2023 or whenever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even remember any more against the dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were caught off guard coming out of the buy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The commanders were up for the game credit to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Broncos were just that much better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A few inches better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pro 16 says if we keep winning at home, we're going to the Super Bowl, and then he says in the 66 seasons of Broncos history, we've started 10 and two or better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have when we have started 10 and two or better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've gone on to make the Super Bowl six out of eight times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and one it three out of eight times pretty good odds if you ask me very interesting distinction there my friend and uh... yeah that's what kind of speaks more exact to what you were talking about earlier of this kind of feeling of a team of destiny
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[SPEAKER_01]: How else do you explain the miraculous winch, Chad?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The giant game that we were in attendance for to see for ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a figment of our imaginations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The jet's game in London, the Texans game, the Eagles game, I can keep rattling them off.
20:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the chief's game, how about the game we saw yesterday last night?
20:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if it's destiny.
20:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe in coincidence, either.
20:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you don't, and we don't around these parts, but it feels a lot like 2015 around here.
20:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, let's also not forget that week five win over the Philadelphia Eagles.
21:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the Eagles right now, you look at the NFC, they're eight and four.
21:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Bears are nine and three, bucks are seven and five, Rams are nine and three.
21:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of feels like the Rams are the juggernaut of the NFC, but the Eagles are the defending world champs.
21:17
[SPEAKER_02]: and the Broncos beat them in their house.
21:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a game that even your most optimistic football priest went, yeah, they're losing this one, but they didn't, they fought back, they battled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: came from behind and totally won that game.
21:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Rock, what's up?
21:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Good to see the rock, one of our dear members and longtime superstars.
21:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Good evening, Chad and Zach on the MHH podcast, Gobow Broncos.
21:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, it's so good to see some shouts here, Zach, to a few others in the chat.
21:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I see Pearl, Pearl, Heeter in the house.
21:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope you're having a good night.
21:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a good day for you.
21:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Where was it?
21:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we got also Taylor jumping in.
21:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Brother, great to see you.
21:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Rockin' his Bonyx jersey from one of the MHH.
22:02
[SPEAKER_02]: He won it fair and square from one of the MHH.
22:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Jersey giveaways says feed Evan Ingraham.
22:08
[SPEAKER_02]: This is why we signed him go Broncos MHH for life Thank you pal again Ingraham led the team's acts six receptions on nine targets.
22:17
[SPEAKER_02]: You did have one drop 79 yards with a long of 41 and that came in the clutch over time Evan Ingraham.
22:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm gonna echo Taylor here and say give me more
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we talked about last night's hell around the gut that it seems.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Evan Ingram is finally fully 100% healthy and you're seeing what the Broncos met when they said he could be a Joker in this offense.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: The athleticism, the breakaway ability, the yards after catch ability he showed yesterday was worth every penny and I'm with Chad on with you.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I want more of that.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I want more of Pat Bryant.
22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I want more of these playmakers with the ball in their hands.
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt about it.
23:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I think as it's hard to put your finger on and explain why it's taken so long for bone nicks and having an ingrown to kind of get a chemistry going, whether it's schema-lated, whether it's literally the quarterback receiver, I know he's a tight end, but you give what I'm saying.
23:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Chemistry factor, but
23:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping last night, Zach, they unlocked something because when he can impact Boyle Boyle can he make a difference.
23:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that speed he turned on as a, as a, I'd end on that 41-yard run.
23:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, baby, a Tucson Phil, what's going on Big Dog?
23:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Good to see you.
23:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the stars tonight.
23:38
[SPEAKER_02]: My brother says good evening, Chad Zach and Deacon Scott.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: If we are going all the way,
23:49
[SPEAKER_02]: execution, welcome.
23:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no doubt about it, man.
23:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the cool things about this winning streak and the fact that the Broncos are eight and two this season in one score games.
24:01
[SPEAKER_02]: is they're building that playoff call us.
24:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think one of the issues they ran into last year's act when they made the playoffs as a 10-wint team took the final game of the season for them to secure their playoff Earth.
24:16
[SPEAKER_02]: No one expected them to be in the playoffs and they were ahead of schedule even if they were being honest in their own probably two or three year window plan as a team.
24:25
[SPEAKER_02]: They were about a year ahead of schedule.
24:27
[SPEAKER_02]: They go up against a very playoff experience, battle-tested Buffalo team, and that kind of environment and those stakes, Zach, and the levels of intensity that have to be met, so to speak, were at the time alien to that young Broncos team.
24:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Cut to right now, cut to today's Zach, and that's no longer the case.
24:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're not talking about nine playoff wins, but the nature of how so many of these nine straight wins
24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: very playoff like energy and that kind of intensity and so that callous they're building it up and I do believe it's going to serve in welfare when they get to the playoffs.
25:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely agree with that and Phil, you're kind of echoing what I was talking about earlier.
25:10
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only a few factors really that play into how well a team does in the postseason.
25:15
[SPEAKER_01]: The coaches have to coach well, the players have to play well, and they have to all stay healthy and on the same page.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: They can do that.
25:22
[SPEAKER_01]: They can make a run into February, not just deep in the January.
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for that comment because you're 100% correct.
25:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Always great to see you, Phil.
25:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And you might be interested by the way, Phil, too.
25:35
[SPEAKER_02]: To read the article, I published right before we went live tonight on Cortland Sutton, making that franchise history.
25:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Last night, by virtue of his, what did he have?
25:45
[SPEAKER_02]: 62 yards on five receptions.
25:47
[SPEAKER_02]: He had the touchdown.
25:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He became the third fastest player in Broncos history to reach the 6,000 yard mark doing so in his 110th game.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Zach, can you guess the only two receivers to get
26:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I cannot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rod Smith, Demarius Thomas, the number one and number two receivers all time for the Broncos and so props to Coral and Sutton for hitting the milestone.
26:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a guy's act that
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a constant during the, one of the few constants during the Broncos long wanderings and meandering in the NFL desert and he hung in there, good things come to those who wait, you know, talk about a worm turning that happened for Sutton when Sean Peyton arrived in his, his not only has the acumen in his offense, but his love for the big body six foot four type wide receivers and he had the 10 touchdowns in year one with Peyton.
26:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they replace Russ with bone nix and he gets his second thousand yards season of his career in the first since his 2019 pro bull campaign and right now is that he's at 711 yards so you got five games.
26:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's see, what he got so you got to go.
27:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, 65, so I don't math too well, especially on this spot.
27:08
[SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos can get him there, something like 65, Scott, what is it?
27:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Per game?
27:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It's doable as long as he remains a focal point of the offense.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he did well to work back to the ball and the bonyx miraculous touchdown pass.
27:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the veteran ability that you get with Portland Sutton.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So for any all the fans that won the younger guys to step up and take his place, that's what he offers that the other guys don't.
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm happy that he's there for a bonyx and vice versa.
27:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Jackson Dart just took a shot dude.
27:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, if you guys are, if you're not watching the game, the, uh, the Patriots went up early in this one.
27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... ten nothing so we we got to we got to see jackson dart turn it on here if they're gonna prevent new England from getting their eleventh win uh... Glenn Ashley from us checking in chads act thoughts on releasing Mercedes Lewis and signing atom feeling after he was released by the vikings zac water your thoughts
28:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He's 35 years old.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't scored a touchdown this season.
28:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand his shore hands, his veteran mentorship and the room would be a plus.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't know, did positives without way the negatives though, because he'd be hampering the development of the Pat Bryant's of the Troy Franklin's of the Marvin Mames.
28:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And at this point, everything's kind of clicking.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: The broccas of one nine straight, they're 10 and two.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to fix what isn't broken.
28:34
[SPEAKER_01]: They brought in Mercedes-Lewis for a reason, and until Lewis gives them a reason to move on, I'm going to keep the status quo.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, Lewis, he's still in the wind.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't exactly released.
28:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess.
28:50
[SPEAKER_02]: What, I wonder if he still, you know, there was never an official, did you ever see an official roster move on that front?
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: That because he had his three elevations and then after the three practice quad elevations in order to keep them, you have to wave them or sign them to the 53 and if you wave them.
29:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You can resign them to your practice squad so long as they pass through waivers and if I look at the practice squad, it still shows him listed on the website so I wonder what I don't I don't know really exactly what's going on there because to my knowledge, he hasn't actually been waived.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, maybe they'll do a one for one and trade off a little Jordan Humphrey who bought that special teams play last night for Adam theme.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: They did bring in.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Elijah Moore for a workout today.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see where that goes.
29:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but Lewis, you know, there was hope that he could maybe make a bigger impact, but He was solid.
29:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was enough with getting Nate Atkins back here pretty soon.
29:55
[SPEAKER_02]: they might not feel the need to bring Lewis back.
29:58
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see on Mercedes Lewis.
30:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely a great blocker.
30:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Glenn, no doubt about that.
30:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, Sarah on Facebook, welcome.
30:08
[SPEAKER_02]: She said, I'd love to see the Broncos make it to the Super Bowl and win.
30:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be a full circle for us 10 years later, and especially as Zach mentioned earlier, the fact that this year's Super Bowl 10 years later is also being played in the same stadium that the Broncos hoisted their last bombardy.
30:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's that could be Zach very poetic.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the odds of that?
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe in coins that, and so we'll see where the season takes us.
30:34
[SPEAKER_02]: a shout out to the mile high duchy Albert give our best to Michelle I hope the family's doing well.
30:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello all MHH and Broncos fans what a great and exciting game to watch just thinking about my heart rate goes up yeah that was a that was one of the funnest games to watch of the season my opinion that the giants I mean the giants game yes is that but it was really one quarter that was fun to watch in that game this game was pretty good throughout
30:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'll give I'll give the edge to this particular game, but Zach I want to get your take on a couple of grades that came through of course day after Eric trickle has his player grades for the Broncos and on offense the highest graded guy and thus the MVP offensively Garrett Bowles who allowed just one pressure on the nightzack.
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: he's playing I hope he and s is listening right now the bull's new service he's playing at an all-pro or proble level I'll give Garrett his credit he could even win protector of the year chat if if the the the committee wants to be fair about it he I agree with the great he's playing at a really really high level I think he's got to be the leader in the clubhouse I mean who's playing better at left tackle right now then Garrett bull's I defy you anybody uh to tell me who's playing better
31:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Defensive ZEC MVP from Eric's grades.
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Nickel Cornerback, Jekwann McMillan, who finished with a 76.7 grade.
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he was outstanding, and he's has been, of course, all season long, but he just keeps finding ways Jekwann McMillan's act to of making an impact.
32:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Could have went with huff, you could have went with green law, but again, I'll have a take away piece coming out.
32:22
[SPEAKER_01]: One of those takeaways is I know he's a restricted free agent, McMillan in the offseason.
32:27
[SPEAKER_01]: From the Broncos, they're giving money away right now.
32:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm considering Lock and J. Kwon down and having that no flies on second area of the continuity.
32:35
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have to rush a barren into a certain role.
32:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jake won deserves it, Chad, because every single time he just makes a play.
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes up clutch every single time.
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's earned that extension from the Broncos.
32:48
[SPEAKER_02]: and speak in a barren, by the way, two straight games with an interception wiped out by panels.
32:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Tough break for the for the route, but he still does have one interception that did count this year.
33:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So a bonus earned one of his highest grades of the season according to trickles grading system and outside Zach really of that one awful interception, it was one of his best
33:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really have no nit-to-pick except for that brutal pick.
33:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't sound right.
33:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he was sharp, he was decisive, he was in control.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Sean Peyton has helped with the tempo chat ahead to come back that.
33:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan Shelton, sorry if I've been keeping you waiting.
33:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I was off screen a little bit looking at the article grades.
33:35
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33:37
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33:38
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33:39
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33:40
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33:46
[SPEAKER_02]: how nice would it be?
33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but he's not coming back.
33:51
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not coming back during the regular season.
33:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Peyton tried to kind of make it sound like there's this slim possibility that he could last week, but he's not.
34:00
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a chance in the playoffs depending on how deep they're able to to go Zach.
34:04
[SPEAKER_02]: But
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos, according to Sean Peyton, I mean, this was today.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So he gets to watch the tape on the way on the flight home.
34:12
[SPEAKER_02]: He's aware now of everything, you know, as soon as the games over certain players, you ask Sean Peyton the question, he's like, I don't know.
34:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to watch the tape.
34:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, having watched the tape in his conference called this morning, he was asked about the run game, etc.
34:26
[SPEAKER_02]: What he said about
34:28
[SPEAKER_02]: RJ Harvey in particular was that quote, there were a handful of plays in that game where the balls were coming being thrown underneath because of the coverage.
34:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Troutman, RJ, Evan,
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: the throw to Evan obviously a different type of play, but we got a lot of zone from the commanders.
34:45
[SPEAKER_02]: We expected to get a lot of zone.
34:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So guys like they're running back at the tight end, a lot of times those targets go underneath the coverage and it happened last night.
34:54
[SPEAKER_02]: RJ gives you run after the catch, which you know, that's nice.
34:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks coach, but what about the run game?
34:59
[SPEAKER_02]: We already know that Harvey can be a force to be reckoned with as a receiver out of the backfield Zach, but what do you do about
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We're drawing all these illusions to 2015 now stay with me for a second.
35:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Chad, the Broncos get the one seed.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They get the buy, division around.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: They get past that AFC championship game against the Patriots and power field.
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Outcomes JK Dobbins for his return.
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Brakes off along, touched John Ron, Allah's CJ Anderson, of that year, and leads the broadcast to the Super Bowl.
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's all fairytale, but Jonathan, that's the soonest I think, like Chad was talking about.
35:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be the AFC title game, or the Super Bowl for Jake and it come back.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: In order to fix the running game, you would have to bring in someone from the outside, and there's really no one that's an upgrade over who you have.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Or,
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: block up front better scheme holes or lanes open for RJ Harvey.
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Get McLaughlin more involved.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to get anything out of Tyler today.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You're pretty much stuck with who you have at this point.
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's as we're seeing through two games so far, it's a bit of a problem for the Brock his offense.
36:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Payton seems to still be reluctant to in any way,
36:08
[SPEAKER_02]: point at the running backs at the ball carriers.
36:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, this was last night, what I'm about to read you.
36:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was before he watched the tape, but he was asked the question was on if the trust in the run game changes if JK dot with or without JK doves, right?
36:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how much does that affect your trust in the run game?
36:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, quote, it has nothing to do with the run.
36:29
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to watch the tape, but trust me, it was just some looks where the evaluation will be on how we blocked it.
36:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the scheme relative to what we were seeing defensively, the runners were good, close quote.
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were good at times.
36:46
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, RJ Harvey had a few really good runs, but there were certainly a several where you could see, you don't have to be a film expert to see he was leaving some yards on the field.
36:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And once again, as this team's RB1 finished, double digit carries, but under three yards, 2.7, 35 yards rushing, the saving grace those acquas,
37:10
[SPEAKER_02]: he performed in the red zone.
37:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He had the two touchdowns.
37:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you don't want to take that away from him.
37:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But boy, boy, they got to get something figured out there because Jeloma Glofflin, when you're going, oh, we had 4.0 yards per carry from our number two guy who's probably best served as a number three guy.
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And as a team, you finish with 87 rush yards.
37:30
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be a problem down the stretch.
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And the one thing I'll say, and then I'm serving it back to you and we'll grab
37:37
[SPEAKER_02]: that similar 2015 wise is, you know, CJ Anderson, he had been kind of a breakout guy.
37:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He had had his big 2013 was the year, he kind of emerged and had that wild second half of the season where he, was it 2014, 2014, second half of the season, my apologies.
37:57
[SPEAKER_02]: where he had double digit touchdowns from scrimmage over the final eight games or whatever and cut to 2015 those act he was not the starter that was Ronnie Hillman the late great Ronnie Hillman and
38:09
[SPEAKER_02]: their Broncos run game with that kubiak zone blocking thing, some games it would be solid some games it wouldn't because they didn't have a truly dominant ball carrier, but the guys that they did have is that there were specific moments in the season where they made some big plays and we've seen that from RJ Harvey this season.
38:28
[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned CJ in the snow over time, Patriots, I can think of that big run Ronnie Hillman had against the Vikings who were tough team at the time.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are some similarities there and then we'll grab George.
38:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They just had a more consistent ground game in the 2015 postseason.
38:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They were carrying the corpse of Peyton Manning Chad through the playoffs with a dominant defense.
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to pair a solid running game with that.
38:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they average though as a team collectively 3.6 or 3.8 yards are rushed against the commanders yesterday.
38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, commanders had a bottom 10 rushing defense.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to cut it in the postseason.
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So Sean Peyton has to fix it and fix it fast.
39:05
[SPEAKER_02]: George Fox, do you believe all the people saying how the refs were given us preferred calls?
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Complete BS, Broncos for Life, MHH.
39:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, dude.
39:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say there's one grain of truth.
39:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is that intentional grounding call on Marcus Mariota.
39:23
[SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of some BS that wasn't a good call.
39:27
[SPEAKER_02]: They missed a trip on Don Drake, Tilman.
39:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Although, hard didn't look like to me,
39:34
[SPEAKER_02]: it wasn't obvious to me that it was intentional.
39:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it looked like a guy who stuck his leg out because the quarterback didn't, you know, like a 180, so it's like, whoa, you get thrown off and he did trip over his leg.
39:45
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, Zach, how many missed holding calls were there last night?
39:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Nick Bonito and Jonathan Cooper in particular were just getting around the neck
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got to say objectively, I think the referee was pretty bad on both sides.
40:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It was too involved.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: There were too many penalties.
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: There were too many penalties that were missed on both sides.
40:10
[SPEAKER_01]: If you watch Riley Mosses, long receptions and touchdown that he gave up, it looks like a little OPI going on.
40:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could cut it both ways, but regardless, like every other Broncos game, the zebras are just way too freaking involved.
40:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Call be the triple C becoming a member.
40:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought,
40:29
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably had to re-up the card, you know, similar thing where sometimes you get a new card because it expires or something.
40:36
[SPEAKER_02]: But triple C's a long time super chat, super star, and we appreciate you for continuing to be a dear member, my brother.
40:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Since first things first, we need to get a playoff win.
40:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what our record is of getting, getting to the Super Bowl when we've had the buy seems good.
40:59
[SPEAKER_02]: under Peyton Manning, they went basically two or four, right?
41:04
[SPEAKER_02]: So they had the buy in 2013.
41:08
[SPEAKER_02]: got all the way to the Super Bowl.
41:10
[SPEAKER_02]: They had the 2012, sorry, 2012, the buy, and then they get upset in the divisional round.
41:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So they don't advance beyond the buy.
41:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Then 2013, they go to the Super Bowl lose on a buy, first round by 2014, similar to 12, they're upset in the divisional round after they get the first round by Andrew Luck and the Colts, and then 15, they go all the way.
41:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just based on recent history, Zach.
41:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't really point to anything per se.
41:44
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of 50, 50.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You think on the surface that would help you have in a play one last game, and you get to stay home if you get the one seed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know the history off the top of my head, Colby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're all Giants fans tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all want the Broncos to get that one seed and I have the playoffs go through and power field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which it isn't looking good guys, the Patriots are up 17 nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, thank you, Triple C. I'm not sure on that buddy, but again, just going off recent canon there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan Shelton jumping in again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, pal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think we ink?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you do you think we take a stud running back?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so talking to a little draft here, Zach, is it a running back at tight end, a lionback or something else?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think first round for Jonathan?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you could go either way with those those positions Jonathan it's too far out for me to think about April right now I'm still in season mode but on offense I said this before you're open the taking any position except quarterback you can make an argument for any position from running back to receiver tight end even offensive line on defense the only position I can think of like you mentioned there would be a linebacker to replace single 10 if you move off of him is turn odds of free age and you don't bring him back so
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[SPEAKER_01]: agree with you there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing you can be pretty confident in relative to the Broncos and the first round with George Peyton.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Peyton can foil this, but under George Peyton it's typically just best player and that's okay if it's strength.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we question like when the Broncos drafted Baron in the first round this past year, this past spring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that we weren't stoked on Baron or we didn't like Baron.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We thought, well,
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of having a hard time seeing it, but there's a reason why they're getting paid back and we're not to make these decisions because look at how it served them, drafting to a strength.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This season when PS2 went down, you had John A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Barren out there doing some really heavy lifting and in so doing, helping him develop, giving him a lot of time on task and exposure, he's going to become a great player for this defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see, but I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: they might be getting to a point here pretty soon where they got a really stark in serious about using a premium pick on an offensive tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is very, very early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Time will tell, running back in the first round, I doubt it unless it's just some superstar, like a, what's the kid's name, like a genty, that slips to their range, which I don't see happening at this stage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, thank you, my brother, Tucson Phil San, I just wish Harvey could get 20 to 25 carries, keep pounding it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, never say never.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I try not to use absolute, but Sean Payton's deck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not really his M.O.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's more of his, his bell cows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, J.K.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a guy that could carry the load.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what 15, 16 is kind of top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe 18 in like a real grinded out game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: More like 15 carries is where Sean Payton was comfortable with his RB1.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also not where I don't think RJ Harvey was killed for at least as a rookie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't meant to be the bell, he was meant to be the complementary piece and that's why you can tell they're desperately missing JK, they're missing that one-two punch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to put all that on RJ Harvey because he, I don't think he's that type of running back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, though, I still think for RJ the best is yet to come and we got to just stay patient with him like the Broncos are doing and in their support and belief behind their rookie running back.
45:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to point this out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pearl yes, there were a lot of a bunch of off sides on the commanders not called, but let's also focus on the positives here guys relative to the Broncos
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[SPEAKER_02]: only five penalties were called on the Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, only ten total penalties, five on each side last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's half the number that just the Broncos alone are normally penalized.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I kind of had some questions about it in the first half, especially Zach after that costly Nick Benito penalty, which admittedly was Tickie Tech, but nevertheless, it led to points for the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going, man, I think I even tweeted about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a point of emphasis for Sean Peyton over the by doesn't look like, you know, it looks like it fell on deaf ears, but they obviously made some concerted efforts to tweak things, only five penalties.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is an improvement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they can continue on that path and show improvement, eating away at the league leading numbers act,
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[SPEAKER_02]: it's gonna portend what even better for this team down the stretch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does feel like the Broncos have to be two teams every week simultaneously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're opponent and the officiating crew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the way it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're gonna be targeting the Broncos with a sharper eye than most other teams I feel like or some other teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna be looking at some Broncos players with a sharper eye, rally moss comes to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to overcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can't fall back on the officiating as a reason why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they would lose a game and so far they have overcome that's what makes it all the more impressive to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right guys listen we got to kind of keep it a little bit tight tonight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to grab this from Chase.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully we see the return of Ben Powers soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that's another thing about blocking it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Payton, guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm kind of getting, I just take the same basic posture that we had early on in L.A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: back in those days, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm talking the pre the pre the pre post Kubiak era, that sounds ridiculous, but you know what I'm talking about with Sean Payton, if he's emphasizing the blocking, there might be a little psychology to it in that he's going out of his way, not to criticize the rookie for a reason, but nevertheless, if he's emphasizing blocking, there's probably something to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look, Eric trickle in his grades,
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, one of the worst, in fact, the worst graded Bronco at left guard yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you got to think Zach real quick and then we'll dip on out of here that Ben Powers coming back, which we're in the month of December, we're in that window, could happen anytime now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Could be a massive boon to this kind of stuck in neutral rung game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talk about who the Broncos can draft in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They might move off of Ben Powers and want to look for a new starting left guard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Palcho for the most part considering he was the third string option has been pretty adequate at left guard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also think Frank Crum along the offensive line chat has been the pretty good swing man in the tackle eligible guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when he blocks field goals and extra points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So real quick, also shout out to Ralph
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right guys, a mile high salute, a special shout out to all the great Super Chat Super Star supporters and members helping us keep the lights on tonight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like Sam Bam, who could only pop in for a second, but still dropped a generous Super Chat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don Olmstead, Cody Dubb, Taylor Christensen, Tucson Phil, Jonathan Shelton with a couple of Super's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: George Fox, Colby on the membership, Colby on the super chat, appreciate you guys so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And enjoy this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's looking like, hey, there's still a long way to go in tonight's game, but it's looking like the Patriots are gonna get out to 11 wins, but enjoy what's going on right now, guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos are in the midst of a very, very special season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nine wins in a row is a very,
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[SPEAKER_02]: just mind boggling achievement, especially in today's NFL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So enjoy it while it's going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll see how the rest of this stretch run shapes up in December.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But don't forget tomorrow, Calvaryman's Corner for the members, noon, mountain time, 2 p.m. Eastern.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll be back at it together on Thursday, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we will talk more about this magical carpet ride that we're all on and we should all kick back in relax and enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you for KK tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chad and I will see you Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have a great start to your week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take care and as always, go Broncos.