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Bears Recap, Bills Preview · Steelers Country Weekly

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Speaker 1: Today on Steelers Country Weekly, we recap the Steelers loss
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Speaker 1: in Chicago to the Bears, look ahead, do their match
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Speaker 1: up this upcoming Sunday against the Buffalo Bills, and talk
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Speaker 1: about some people throughout history that may have started out
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Speaker 1: as teammates and have stayed intertwined even though they've gone
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Speaker 1: their separate ways. I'm Nick de Tulio, and as always
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Speaker 1: I'm joined by the world famous accountant Eric Vamon Showden, Eric,
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Speaker 1: how are you tonight?
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Speaker 2: I'm not too shabby.
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Speaker 3: I've been having some time off this week and just
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Speaker 3: do it some house chores around, so.
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Speaker 2: Just ketching up on life.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about it a little bit before
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Speaker 1: we recorded. I've got time off this week as well,
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Speaker 1: which is nice, but my family all comes down to
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Speaker 1: Georgia for Thanksgiving, so I have done nothing but clean
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Speaker 1: the last couple days. And finally I got it to
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Speaker 1: a point where I'm pretty happy with things. And I
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Speaker 1: keep finding dog hare everywhere, which is bound to happen
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Speaker 1: when you have bound to happen when you have three dogs.
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Speaker 1: But it's like you lin't roll a couch, and it's
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Speaker 1: almost like a cartoon because you turn around and there's
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Speaker 1: like another set of fresh hair there that you like.
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Speaker 1: I swear I got that couch spotless a minute ago.
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Speaker 1: But that's the way it goes. So that's enough of
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Speaker 1: the pleasantries. I think we're in pretty bad moods when
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Speaker 1: it comes to football, but let's just get right to it.
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Speaker 1: We're we got a lot to talk about, and this
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Speaker 1: one won't be a fun one for anyone unless you
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Speaker 1: don't like the Steelers, in which case I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: why you're here unless you like our misery. So they
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Speaker 1: just like our hearing your voice that, yes, the soothing
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Speaker 1: voices of Nick and Eric here to put you to sleep,
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Speaker 1: am now. The Steelers went to Chicago, where they haven't
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Speaker 1: won since nineteen ninety five. They were talking about that
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Speaker 1: on the pregame show with Bill Cower, and despite not
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Speaker 1: having Aaron Rodgers, there were times where the Steelers did
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Speaker 1: have a lead, they were competitive, but really, once again,
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Speaker 1: this was just another game that the Steelers didn't really
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, seem prepared for. Their execution and strategy
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Speaker 1: wasn't anywhere near up to snuff, and at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, their defense gave up over thirty points
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Speaker 1: again and the Steelers walk home losers. And they fall
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Speaker 1: to six and five. Furthermore, the Ravens have overtaken them
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Speaker 1: for first place in the division, which is kind of
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Speaker 1: one of those I think every one of us kind
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Speaker 1: of expected that. When we saw the Lamar Jackson come back,
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Speaker 1: it was like a car crash that you see in
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Speaker 1: slow motion, like you just kind of keep waiting for it,
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Speaker 1: and it finally happened. Mason Rudolph was the starter twenty
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Speaker 1: four thirty one, one hundred and seventy one passds with
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Speaker 1: a touchdown and an interception on the opening drive. You know,
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Speaker 1: there were some things I saw that I did like,
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Speaker 1: but overall for me, like I said, this was a
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Speaker 1: disappointing loss because despite not having Aaron Rodgers, the Steelers
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Speaker 1: were in a position to win. But again, the highest
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Speaker 1: paid defense in the league gave up thirty plus points,
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Speaker 1: and with the Bears missing their entire linebacking corps, the
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Speaker 1: Steelers avoided the middle of the field like it was
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Speaker 1: the plague. I think you sent me the on Instagram
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Speaker 1: the message that showed like the pass chart, and I
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Speaker 1: think there was maybe one pass deep over the middle,
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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just.
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Speaker 1: Awful. It's really difficult to describe why a team would
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Speaker 1: do that. It was almost like they were trying to
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Speaker 1: outsmart the other team and just got too cute with it.
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Speaker 1: But in any case, I'll defer to you right now
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Speaker 1: and I'll come back. But as you look back on
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Speaker 1: this performance from this past Sunday, what are some of
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Speaker 1: the things that stick out to you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, honestly, both teams were really good about
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Speaker 3: third down. Both teams were fifty for the game, which
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Speaker 3: is why there were fifty nine.
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Speaker 2: Total points scored. You know, I think.
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Speaker 3: There were just times where, like I Mason Rudolph, you
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Speaker 3: look at a stat line and you're like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 3: Like he had a decent game, but like he hit
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Speaker 3: eighty five of his passes and he only averaged like
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Speaker 3: six or seven yards of past So we just weren't
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Speaker 3: very agree with it. I felt like, you know, we'll
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Speaker 3: get into the very end of the game altogether, but
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Speaker 3: I just felt like it was a very predictable offense
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Speaker 3: and I'm very surprised. I mean, I don't want to
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Speaker 3: give credit the seven points from t J watch Stripsack
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Speaker 3: to them, So they scored twenty one, which is.
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Speaker 2: Still not a bad day at the office.
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Speaker 3: But nonetheless, you know, I think it's a little bit
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Speaker 3: more we could We could say, you know, defense should
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Speaker 3: have prepared better, but we still outgained him in this game.
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Speaker 3: I think defense could have gotten off the field better.
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Speaker 3: But in terms of what unit I'm more upset with.
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Speaker 3: I think that the offensive production and mostly just the coaching.
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Speaker 1: I think that.
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Speaker 3: The play calling was bad, and I think that it
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Speaker 3: was just we have a backup, We're gonna take the
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Speaker 3: foot off the guest pedal. But he played well last week,
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Speaker 3: and he's been in this offense for I don't know
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Speaker 3: five years when you like, consider that he's been under Tomlin.
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Speaker 3: So it's not like we just picked him up off
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Speaker 3: the street and you gotta limits the playbook.
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Speaker 1: That was the most frustrating part to me, because we
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Speaker 1: know better than anyone what a quarterback can do to
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Speaker 1: it when they have the proper buy in, the proper execution,
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Speaker 1: the proper play calls. We saw it firsthand with Joe
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Speaker 1: Flacco and the Bengals coming to playing against the Steelers
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Speaker 1: on a short week too. No less, not only did
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Speaker 1: he was it his first game with the team, it
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Speaker 1: was on a Thursday night. As you said, Mason, Rudolph
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Speaker 1: has been with the organization a long time, had a
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Speaker 1: one year break in Tennessee, but it came back. And
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Speaker 1: I'll go back to the utilizing the middle of the
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Speaker 1: field here. The Steelers have three really solid tight ends
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Speaker 1: that should have just been feasting in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the field all game. That's where you use your tight ends.
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Speaker 1: And then with the lineback that's the part that makes
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Speaker 1: me so mad, is with the linebackers being out that's
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Speaker 1: where they live and the fact that you didn't even
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Speaker 1: try to go there. It just baffling to me. I
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Speaker 1: really don't understand it. And then again, I'm gonna keep
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Speaker 1: saying it. Quit taking Jalen Warren out of the game.
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Speaker 1: Gainwell is gaining all of these having these big plays
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Speaker 1: when he's the checkdown guy on third down, and then
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Speaker 1: he got probably about over half of his yards on
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Speaker 1: the fake tush push, So that's an outlier. I'm getting
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Speaker 1: really tired of ceiling seeing Jalen Warren come out of
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Speaker 1: the game when he doesn't need to be coming out.
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Speaker 1: I think that he's clearly the better of the two
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Speaker 1: running backs, but I don't know. I cannot understand their logic,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like Gainwell must have some like some
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Speaker 1: dirty secrets on some of the coaches or something. That's
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Speaker 1: the only thing, the only thing I can think of. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and from a from a defensive standpoint. Yet, yes, I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm still more frustrated with the offense. But again, this
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Speaker 1: defense should never be giving up thirty one points for
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Speaker 1: what they're being paid. It's asinine that it happens. I
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Speaker 1: want to get to the end of the game here too.
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Speaker 1: The Steelers punted the ball at I think right around
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Speaker 1: the two minute warning. I think the two minute warning
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Speaker 1: happened right after the punt. They get the Bears to
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Speaker 1: go three and out. And one thing that I noticed
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Speaker 1: in this game, and I don't know if you had
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Speaker 1: the same takeaway, was there were times where Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1: looked like a really competent quarterback who knew what he
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Speaker 1: was doing. And there were other times like the strip
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Speaker 1: sack that you mentioned, and then at the end of
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Speaker 1: the game where you could tell like, Okay, he's still
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Speaker 1: working through some things. So the Bears decide to pass
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Speaker 1: on third down instead of running and forcing the Steelers
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Speaker 1: to take a time out, and Williams scrambles and then
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Speaker 1: throws the ball away when he's getting pressured when he
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Speaker 1: should have taken the sack right to you know, still
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Speaker 1: a running play right at that point. But he didn't.
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Speaker 1: So the Steelers get to save a time out, right, No,
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Speaker 1: because James Pierre flopped and it was a very dramatic flop,
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Speaker 1: and pretend the Steelers got assessed a time out for
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Speaker 1: an injured player, so they lost their time out. Unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: And then on the two minute drive they just I
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Speaker 1: don't know what the play calling was there, but it
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Speaker 1: was just all these screen passes and short passes that
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Speaker 1: didn't even get out of bounds. They used up so
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Speaker 1: much clock. And then at the very end they had
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to let Boswell try a sixty five yarder
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Speaker 1: and instead they went forward and I think it was
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Speaker 1: like fourth and five, and of course they didn't get
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Speaker 1: it and the game ended. So I get that Mason
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Speaker 1: Rudolph is not the and it's a two minute drill
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Speaker 1: and it's stressful, but how can all of us at
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Speaker 1: home see something so obvious and the coaching staff just
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Speaker 1: doesn't it. I left this game not even mad, just
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Speaker 1: like confused, like how does a professional football team get
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Speaker 1: to this point? But anyway, that's rhetorical. But I wanted
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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on the end of the game
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Speaker 1: as well and how that all played out.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, watching the game unfold, I didn't know
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Speaker 3: how drastic though, like not using the middle of the
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Speaker 3: field was, until all of a sudden at the end
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Speaker 3: of the game, we decide to throw not on the boundaries,
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Speaker 3: but giving our guys into space, which we're not a.
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Speaker 2: We don't have.
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Speaker 3: Any game breakers on our react I mean dk CA
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Speaker 3: and but the plays that we were drawing up for
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Speaker 3: him to do that.
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Speaker 2: Now, so.
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Speaker 3: Why are we we have been using the boundary the
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Speaker 3: whole game, Why are we all of a sudden poorly
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Speaker 3: managing the clock by keeping.
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Speaker 2: It in the field, Because that's.
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Speaker 3: The reason why, like we got to that point. Wasn't
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Speaker 3: as much the four down and five. It was just
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Speaker 3: I don't think that there was a thought of plan.
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Speaker 3: It felt like they were calling one play and then
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Speaker 3: calling it another play. And normally when you have a
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Speaker 3: two minute warning, you have like the first like at
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Speaker 3: least four plays in.
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Speaker 2: A row, calling out right, you're gonna do this, you
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Speaker 2: get the first down, you go with this play.
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Speaker 3: If you get if you get like, you have an
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Speaker 3: complete pass, here's the next play, And it just felt
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Speaker 3: like they just kind of ad hoced it together. And
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Speaker 3: that's why it looks so pathetic. I mean, it looked
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Speaker 3: like a high school team trying to.
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Speaker 2: Piece together a two minute drive. So I don't know,
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Speaker 2: it's just.
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Speaker 3: I think it's an epitome of our season so far.
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Speaker 2: Which is we're good enough to compete, but at the.
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Speaker 3: End of the day, do we trust this team to
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Speaker 3: get what we needed to get done now? And that's
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Speaker 3: why I think we're looking we're staring at another nine
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Speaker 3: and eight potential finish with or without the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: I don't know right now they were out, but.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen this retread before, and I just don't
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Speaker 3: know how people aren't more tired.
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Speaker 1: This is the first year that I've hit my breaking point.
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Speaker 2: Been telling you for years.
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Speaker 1: Man, you have and while well, I do think that
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Speaker 1: patience is important in a lot of these situations, we
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Speaker 1: just got to the point where it was too much
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Speaker 1: for me. It's we have the same conversations every year.
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Speaker 1: It's the same situation. Nothing's gonna change, and I am
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Speaker 1: sure that as we sit here at six and five,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna find some way to go nine and eight
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Speaker 1: or ten and seven. I don't don't really know how,
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Speaker 1: but we will and we'll do the same thing. And
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Speaker 1: I think we talked about it last week. But now
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Speaker 1: the rumor is that the Steelers would like Aaron Rodgers
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Speaker 1: to come back next year. And I'm just like, all right, well,
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Speaker 1: at least I know what to expect, right, And I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that the
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Speaker 1: the quarterback class hasn't turned into what it was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be but for this upcoming draft, but even still,
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Speaker 1: something's gotta give we I don't know, we won't go
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Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole tonight. But yeah, that this was
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Speaker 1: a game that this was a game that I think
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Speaker 1: I was. I think I predicted we were going to
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Speaker 1: lose last week.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know this this is the kind
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Speaker 1: of thing that I've come to expect, particular in the
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Speaker 1: last since Roethlisberger retired. But anyway, was there anything else
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Speaker 1: you wanted to say about this matchup in Chicago specifically?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind I'm kind of over it too. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I will say, actually, one last thing, speaking of the
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Speaker 1: tight ends. Let me look at that real quick. On
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Speaker 1: the receiving end, Darnell Washington two receptions, John new Smith
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Speaker 1: had three receptions. Pat Friarmouth had three. Darnell Washington should
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Speaker 1: have had a lot more. I'm just gonna say that,
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Speaker 1: So all right, The next game will be at home
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Speaker 1: on Sunday against the Buffalo Bills. The Bills are another
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Speaker 1: interesting team that they came in this year with very
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Speaker 1: high expectations as they have the last several years with
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen at the helm, and they have hit seven
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Speaker 1: and four. They've lost to some pretty bad teams, and
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Speaker 1: they are in second place in the AFC East behind
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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 2: So two and a half games back.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Patriots are surprising everyone with how quick this
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Speaker 1: turnaround has been this year, so give credit to them.
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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the Bills are
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Speaker 1: still the Bills. They still have Josh Allen and it
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Speaker 1: is I think still going to be a tall order
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Speaker 1: for the Steelers to walk out of here with a win.
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Speaker 1: But as it is, they do still have the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to make something happen here. It looks like we're leaning
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Speaker 1: towards Aaron Rodgers is going to be able to play
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Speaker 1: this week, so that's good. We'll see what kind of
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Speaker 1: recovery he has. And I'm also interested to see if
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Speaker 1: that wrist had been lingering for a while and that
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Speaker 1: may be caused some of the offensive fallout that we've
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Speaker 1: seen over the last couple games. But that's neither here
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Speaker 1: nor there, I suppose, because that doesn't fit anything that
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Speaker 1: we're seeing on the defensive side of the pall. But
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Speaker 1: but no, this is this is a.
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Speaker 3: May prolonged drives and then our offense will be our
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Speaker 3: best defense.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there you go, but no, this is an important
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Speaker 1: game for the Steelers because a loss puts them at
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Speaker 1: six and six. The Ravens, while they've struggled, even with
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Speaker 1: Lamar coming back, they're winning games, so they're at least
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Speaker 1: doing what the Steelers can't do right now anyway, as
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Speaker 1: it is, that's where we're at right now with this
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Speaker 1: game in Pittsburgh. I can tell you right now I'm
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Speaker 1: not looking too optimistic here, but I'll pass it over
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Speaker 1: to you first and see if there's anything you can
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Speaker 1: say that might make me change my mind. Although I
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Speaker 1: have a feeling I was gonna say you if I
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Speaker 1: had to guess you're probably feeling about the same as
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Speaker 1: I am right now. But but but take it away anyway,
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Speaker 1: looking forward to this matchup against the Bills, what are
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Speaker 1: some of the takeaways for.
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Speaker 3: You looking forward to this game?
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Speaker 2: Nothing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, the Bills aren't having a great season,
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Speaker 3: but I actually don't think it's because of Josh Allen.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he might not be an MVP this year,
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Speaker 3: but he's still playing as the superstar.
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Speaker 2: So they just kind of.
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Speaker 3: Can't figure out, like they'll just lay some duds every
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Speaker 3: once in a while.
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Speaker 2: They lost to.
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Speaker 3: The Dolphins, yes, pretty badly, but also I've seen them
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Speaker 3: slug out with some of the best teams in the league,
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Speaker 3: and you know, they they kind of put some dirt
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Speaker 3: on the Rantham's earlier in this season by you know
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Speaker 3: how how well they played in that game. So look,
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Speaker 3: I don't really have any keys other than we might
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Speaker 3: get lucky on a few turnovers. That's that's about all
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Speaker 3: I can say that. Like, if you lined up all
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Speaker 3: the pros and cons of our matchup, I would slide
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Speaker 3: scale towards the Bills.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, tough to tough to really break this down here,
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Speaker 1: but I think Obviously, Aaron Rodgers coming back is going
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Speaker 1: to have the biggest impact here. This is the kind
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Speaker 1: of game I think we've seen the Steelers win too
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Speaker 1: when they're not supposed to, which again we've talked about
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Speaker 1: the script and seeing seeing the same thing play out
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Speaker 1: year after year. I wouldn't be shocked if this is
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Speaker 1: a game that in year past the Steelers would surprise
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Speaker 1: us all and come out and win pretty handedly. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that it's gonna happen this time though. The
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Speaker 1: defense has just been too consistently bad this year. They
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Speaker 1: have a couple games where they had six turnovers, which
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Speaker 1: I think is more credit to the other teams playing
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Speaker 1: poorly or having their poop the bed kind of games
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Speaker 1: than our defense doing the right thing. But honestly, everything
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Speaker 1: we've talked about that went wrong in Chicago, they've got
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Speaker 1: a correct if they want a chance to win this game.
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Speaker 1: And Josh Allen is a better quarterback than Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1: as well, So.
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Speaker 3: I just.
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Speaker 1: I just think that I don't think he's gonna make
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Speaker 1: the same mistakes that we saw Caleb Williams making the
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Speaker 1: last game. So we had the strip sack, and again
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Speaker 1: like the bone and the bone headed mistake that Williams
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Speaker 1: made right before the two minute warning. I'm sorry after
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Speaker 1: the two minute warning, and again he went nineteen to
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Speaker 1: thirty five. So not the most stellar day at the
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Speaker 1: office either, although he did have three tds as well. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's it's always going to be this for the rest
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Speaker 1: of the games. For me, defense has to be somewhat competent.
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Speaker 1: The offense has to be somewhat competent, and I think
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Speaker 1: that they can win some games here. We saw earlier
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Speaker 1: in the year, we saw a lot of highlights from
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Speaker 1: the offense actually, or things that I was very happy with.
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Speaker 1: The offense looked fun. They were doing some things that
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Speaker 1: at least seemed creative, and that hasn't been there the
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Speaker 1: last couple of games.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, I.
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Speaker 3: Will say the ender around on a big push push
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Speaker 3: was creative. I just I think trick plays are different
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Speaker 3: than coming up with a cohesive game plan and being
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Speaker 3: able to adapt.
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Speaker 2: But in the case of what you were saying, x's
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Speaker 2: and o's what we've.
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Speaker 3: Seen, we should have not even had to adapt. We
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Speaker 3: should We're like completely missing the strength of the team
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Speaker 3: or the weakness of the other team and not addressing it.
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Speaker 2: So I think I think that's our sore thumb right now.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think this sore thumb is just going to
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Speaker 1: become even more sore. And look, I told you I'm
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Speaker 1: a pessimist. I've hit my breaking point. Something's got to change,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think that it's gonna happen. So I
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Speaker 1: just cannot pick the Steelers to win this game. I
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Speaker 1: don't see I don't see them completely fixing everything that's
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Speaker 1: been a problem for several weeks now, several years now
24:05
Speaker 1: at this point. So I wish I had something more
24:10
Speaker 1: intelligent to say, or some deep analysis, but I just
24:15
Speaker 1: honestly think we suck so and I hope I'm wrong.
24:21
Speaker 1: I really hope they come out and they make me
24:23
Speaker 1: eat crow. I would probably eat real crow if I could,
24:27
Speaker 1: but metaphor, yeah, metaphorically, I will eat the crow all
24:33
Speaker 1: day if I have to. I would much rather be
24:35
Speaker 1: wrong and have them win than be right and have
24:38
Speaker 1: them lose again.
24:40
Speaker 2: So taste very good.
24:42
Speaker 3: We eat all kinds of birds, including Thanksgiving eating a
24:47
Speaker 3: whole mess of turkey.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I actually don't know if anyone's really tried
24:54
Speaker 1: to eat crow that often. I'm sure we could prepare
24:59
Speaker 1: it in such a way that we could make it work. Yeah,
25:02
Speaker 1: maybe when you come down for the bear Cats game,
25:05
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out.
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Speaker 3: No, no, we won't be one of the times when
25:11
Speaker 3: we're buying dire straits on fun topics, we'll do a
25:15
Speaker 3: deep dive into idiotisms and how how they get derived.
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Speaker 2: One's our favorite.
25:23
Speaker 1: Oh geez, that'll get a lot of people, The Origin story.
25:28
Speaker 1: The Origin story. All right, I'm not no more, no
25:32
Speaker 1: more beating around the bush here, Steels are gonna lose
25:35
Speaker 1: this one. I think it's gonna be thirty four to seventeen.
25:37
Speaker 1: I'm just not not feeling this one at all.
25:44
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think yeah, I think we're gonna get
25:49
Speaker 3: blasted forty one to seventeen.
25:52
Speaker 1: Geez, well, I didn't think i'd be the optimist of
25:55
Speaker 1: the two of us today, but will.
25:58
Speaker 2: Man, all right, the team that like when they get
26:04
Speaker 2: a hold of you, I mean they just don't let go.
26:07
Speaker 2: So I think it turned.
26:10
Speaker 1: Ugly, right, And the Bills are coming off of a
26:16
Speaker 1: loss as well, So if you had to pick one
26:21
Speaker 1: of these two teams to like take some corrective action
26:25
Speaker 1: after a loss, it would absolutely be the Bills. Yeah,
26:30
Speaker 1: all right, Well, one of the things that we wanted
26:34
Speaker 1: to talk about tonight was the fact that Sean McDermott
26:38
Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin, both head coaches of the Bills and
26:41
Speaker 1: the Steelers, respectively, were teammates at William and Mary College.
26:46
Speaker 1: It gets talked about a lot on the broadcast, and
26:48
Speaker 1: it's just kind of interesting that even though they started
26:50
Speaker 1: off as teammates, they both went their separate ways. As
26:54
Speaker 1: far as I know, they weren't on any professional coaching
26:57
Speaker 1: staffs together or anything, but they both have been with
27:00
Speaker 1: their respective organizations for a long time, obviously Mike Tomlin
27:03
Speaker 1: longer than Sean McDermott. But it's just interesting that their
27:07
Speaker 1: paths continue to intertwine and they continue to have that
27:12
Speaker 1: interaction with each other. So I thought it might be
27:14
Speaker 1: kind of interesting to talk about similar stories like that
27:17
Speaker 1: with people who were teammates or colleagues or something like that,
27:22
Speaker 1: you know, had their paths divert, but then continue to
27:25
Speaker 1: come back and forth. So I've got a really famous
27:27
Speaker 1: one that I think is interesting, which is also topic
27:30
Speaker 1: or timing appropriate given the week that we're in. And
27:34
Speaker 1: I know you had one that you said was really
27:36
Speaker 1: interesting as well, so I'll let you take the lead
27:38
Speaker 1: here and share with us this story you have. I
27:42
Speaker 1: believe you said it was about in your fraternity.
27:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it comes up because Okay, people might ask,
27:51
Speaker 3: why do you care too much about what your alumnis
27:54
Speaker 3: are doing.
27:56
Speaker 2: Well, we have a few different alumni that kind of came.
28:01
Speaker 3: Together built the house that we were living in, and.
28:08
Speaker 2: Well, in order to do that, you got to raise
28:10
Speaker 2: a lot of money.
28:11
Speaker 3: Well, in the house, they would commemorate the people that
28:16
Speaker 3: were the biggest Stoners. And I thought this was pretty interesting.
28:19
Speaker 3: But Peter Wu and Myron Olman are were roommates. They
28:28
Speaker 3: were just assigned to each other and freshman year and
28:34
Speaker 3: well the two of them are famous because Myron Oleman
28:38
Speaker 3: was the CEO of J C.
28:40
Speaker 2: Penny. Now, I'll say j C.
28:42
Speaker 3: Penny when they were actually a good department store, not
28:45
Speaker 3: like what they are today. He probably will no one
28:50
Speaker 3: will know what JAC Penny is in like five to
28:52
Speaker 3: seven years.
28:53
Speaker 1: Well, no, they're not going to sponsor us, thanks for that.
28:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kind of like a cold and they'll just
29:01
Speaker 2: be an Amazon return space.
29:04
Speaker 1: There want that endorsement too. Just picking them all off here.
29:11
Speaker 3: And the other guy, Peter Wu, basically is the the
29:15
Speaker 3: real estate mogul in Hong Kong. So yeah, when it
29:21
Speaker 3: came to fundraising for the house, those were the first
29:25
Speaker 3: two on speed dial.
29:28
Speaker 1: There you go, Well, no, you're you're exactly right again.
29:35
Speaker 1: They started off just by chance as roommates. They didn't
29:39
Speaker 1: come into this as friends who decided they were going
29:41
Speaker 1: to rush the same fraternity together. It was just okay,
29:45
Speaker 1: you two in that room, and that was that right.
29:50
Speaker 1: And fraternities are obviously a tight knit group, hence the
29:53
Speaker 1: name fraternity, but it's kind of neat when you see
29:58
Speaker 1: stories like that of people mean taining their connections and
30:02
Speaker 1: having that long lasting impact. So that's awesome. And the
30:06
Speaker 1: house that Eric is referring to is a very nice
30:09
Speaker 1: house and a house in a very prime spot of
30:11
Speaker 1: real estate in the Clifton neighborhood next to the University
30:15
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. So they didn't just put up a shack either.
30:19
Speaker 1: It's a nice, nicely due house.
30:22
Speaker 2: Fun shack maybe fun share.
30:25
Speaker 1: The fun shack. It's the love shacks, sir. Oh my gosh.
30:31
Speaker 1: Now we won't get the B fifty twos to endorse
30:33
Speaker 1: us either. Anyone else you want to launch an attack
30:37
Speaker 1: at or a fend tonight, maybe Amazon.
30:41
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah.
30:46
Speaker 1: The So the one that I had is probably I
30:50
Speaker 1: think it's an easy answer, So I'm sorry for not
30:52
Speaker 1: having the wherewithal to come up with something more creative.
30:55
Speaker 1: But the one that I thought of was Bo scham
30:59
Speaker 1: Beckler and Woody Hayes coaches at Michigan and Ohio State.
31:05
Speaker 1: So the story goes that Bo schem Beckler was an
31:10
Speaker 1: assistant coach under Woody Hayes at Ohio State. He became
31:14
Speaker 1: the head coach at Miami, Ohio, and then became the
31:16
Speaker 1: head coach at Michigan. Obviously Ohio State's big rivals, and
31:22
Speaker 1: they Woody Hayes really took that rivalry to a new level.
31:28
Speaker 1: He despised Michigan and everything about them, so that definitely
31:33
Speaker 1: changed their relationship for years now. I think eventually they
31:37
Speaker 1: made amends towards the end of their lives, but it
31:42
Speaker 1: was just a very fiery thing. And there's the stories
31:44
Speaker 1: about the ten year War, and we know that Woody
31:47
Speaker 1: Hayes's career ended when he punched a player from Clemson.
31:50
Speaker 1: But the game is called the game for a reason
31:54
Speaker 1: because it's the most famous rivalry in college football. It
31:58
Speaker 1: doesn't need any other title or anything like that. But
32:03
Speaker 1: for years you had those two guys who were former
32:08
Speaker 1: colleagues just battling it out head to head in the
32:13
Speaker 1: Big Ten and against each other. There were years where
32:18
Speaker 1: Ohio State would be playing for a championship and Michigan
32:22
Speaker 1: would beat them in a game they really had no
32:24
Speaker 1: business winning. Kind of like we've seen the last I
32:28
Speaker 1: think it's four in a row now that Michigan has won.
32:33
Speaker 1: Just kind of crazy. You were talking about your fraternity
32:35
Speaker 1: and we mentioned all the bonds that you have. This
32:38
Speaker 1: was the opposite of fraternity. It was two guys I
32:41
Speaker 1: think more one sided really from Woody Hayes. But they
32:45
Speaker 1: just went at each other for years and years and
32:48
Speaker 1: years and just crazy to think about that. Every rivalry week,
32:59
Speaker 1: that was the game, and that was what people centered
33:03
Speaker 1: their lives around. And it all started with two guys
33:09
Speaker 1: coaching football just and one guy happened to take a
33:16
Speaker 1: better job. Right, he didn't do anything despite anybody. Just
33:21
Speaker 1: if Michigan calls you, what are you going to say?
33:24
Speaker 3: No? Right?
33:26
Speaker 2: Yeah?
33:28
Speaker 1: Good lord?
33:29
Speaker 4: All right, Well are you gonna let's say, coach H
33:39
Speaker 4: team defense?
33:41
Speaker 2: You leave his coaching squad? Do you think you have
33:44
Speaker 2: a a.
33:46
Speaker 3: Bo shamblocker and I know I just put her to
33:49
Speaker 3: his last name. What do you relationship or you think
33:53
Speaker 3: it'd be cordial?
33:57
Speaker 1: I'm not following you here? Say it again?
34:01
Speaker 3: Our old basketball coach that he ended up being an assistant.
34:04
Speaker 1: For, Oh, Coach H. I was like, what the heck
34:08
Speaker 1: is he talking about?
34:10
Speaker 2: Wow?
34:11
Speaker 3: You know, maybe he doesn't want us to say his
34:13
Speaker 3: name over the airwaves.
34:15
Speaker 2: But.
34:18
Speaker 1: So what what's the hypothetical here? I coached under him,
34:21
Speaker 1: and when I used the term coach loosely, I was
34:23
Speaker 1: a pretty good scorekeeper though. So I get an offer
34:27
Speaker 1: to be the head coach at like our lady of visitation,
34:29
Speaker 1: I take that.
34:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, does coach.
34:34
Speaker 3: H treat you like what he hayes or would it
34:39
Speaker 3: be a very cordial like encounter.
34:44
Speaker 1: I would hope that it would be cordial since we're
34:46
Speaker 1: talking about grade school basketball, but I could I could
34:54
Speaker 1: see him getting heated during the game though, I will
34:57
Speaker 1: say that.
35:00
Speaker 2: You or just in general, I.
35:02
Speaker 1: Would probably try to push his buttons so I could
35:05
Speaker 1: see it at both me and in general that no,
35:11
Speaker 1: and I absolutely would deserve it too. I don't really
35:15
Speaker 1: do much competitive like athletics anymore or anything like that.
35:18
Speaker 1: But I yes, I can tell you very much like
35:21
Speaker 1: if I'm playing video games against someone, or even like
35:25
Speaker 1: when I would play sports, or even like you know
35:28
Speaker 1: when you're kids and you play like pick up basketball
35:30
Speaker 1: and stuff, I would My strategy was just to try
35:34
Speaker 1: to get under people's skin.
35:37
Speaker 2: It didn't me.
35:39
Speaker 3: Too, but that's only because we both lack what's called
35:44
Speaker 3: athletic ability.
35:46
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that was that was exactly it. We were compensating.
35:53
Speaker 1: But no, like so I would like I would trash talk.
35:59
Speaker 1: Not everyone, but like if there's this one kid I
36:01
Speaker 1: really hated, and I would say things on the other team.
36:06
Speaker 1: It wasn't even a team, it was just some kid,
36:09
Speaker 1: and uh, like we'd be playing pickup. He was like
36:12
Speaker 1: a mutual friend. It was not you. But no, I
36:19
Speaker 1: would so like when I would trash talk, I would
36:21
Speaker 1: say things like just to attack him that I had like,
36:27
Speaker 1: didn't believe, didn't really care about, but I knew that
36:30
Speaker 1: it would probably bother him. So I would say that
36:33
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing myself to any professional athlete. But I've
36:36
Speaker 1: heard Jalen Rose talk about that as well when he
36:39
Speaker 1: was on the f in the Fab five documentary. He
36:42
Speaker 1: would like talk about people's personal lives and things, just
36:45
Speaker 1: like he would study up on them just to know
36:47
Speaker 1: them so he could trash talk effectively like that. It's
36:51
Speaker 1: pretty impressive, yes, especially in the early nineties, finding out
36:56
Speaker 1: like that, you're the guy you're playing against. Dad left
36:59
Speaker 1: his family and that's what you're gonna trash talk about.
37:03
Speaker 1: Pretty unsportsmanlike as well, but thorough too. But no, I mean, like,
37:10
Speaker 1: if I'm playing video games against my brother, either one
37:14
Speaker 1: of them or something, I'll and I find like a
37:17
Speaker 1: play that works, I'll run the hurry up offense repeatedly
37:20
Speaker 1: with that play so they can't sell things like that.
37:22
Speaker 1: You know. That's my strategy, And that's what you say
37:29
Speaker 1: when you want to really rub it in when it
37:30
Speaker 1: works too, right, I'm just maybe you should have made adjustments,
37:37
Speaker 1: so I'm just better than you. I don't know, so yeah,
37:41
Speaker 1: if so, If coach h is you affectionately called him,
37:49
Speaker 1: if that ever happened, I think we'd be okay. I
37:53
Speaker 1: really hope we would. Anyway I saw him, was it?
37:58
Speaker 1: It was two years ago. It was the last time
37:59
Speaker 1: I saw him. Doesn't it suck getting older? Because I
38:02
Speaker 1: was thinking as I started saying that, as I started
38:05
Speaker 1: saying that. I was like, I just saw him, and
38:07
Speaker 1: then as I finished the sentence, it was like it
38:10
Speaker 1: was two years ago. Like, man, now, we took my daughter,
38:16
Speaker 1: my youngest daughter up to Cincinnati to be baptized, and
38:22
Speaker 1: I happened to see him walking into the mass after
38:26
Speaker 1: we had left. So I went in and said hi
38:27
Speaker 1: and talked to him for a while. So he's doing
38:31
Speaker 1: really good. I was about to ask, yeah, now he
38:37
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when we're done recording. It's kind of
38:39
Speaker 1: a funny story, but yeah, it was cool. I got
38:42
Speaker 1: to talk to him for a while, and maybe that's
38:44
Speaker 1: something we can do. We can talk about some of
38:46
Speaker 1: our favorite coaching memories if we have a game where
38:50
Speaker 1: we have some particularly good coaching moments from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
38:54
Speaker 1: So coming to you.
38:58
Speaker 2: The fun, fun topic, Q.
39:01
Speaker 1: We want to talk about positive for these people. We
39:04
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about these losses. This is what
39:08
Speaker 1: we're holding onto. It's our hope. Yeah, all right, Well,
39:16
Speaker 1: I don't want to take up much more of our
39:18
Speaker 1: time here. We've been going for a little while. But
39:20
Speaker 1: I mentioned I went to the Georgia game this past week.
39:23
Speaker 1: That was fun. So I actually got to see a
39:25
Speaker 1: team I wanted to win, win, and kind of disappointed
39:30
Speaker 1: because we bought tickets to see the Georgia Georgia Tech
39:35
Speaker 1: game this Friday, which is a rivalry called clean old
39:39
Speaker 1: Fashioned Hate, and I was expecting it to be a
39:44
Speaker 1: matchup of two top ten teams. But then Georgia Tech
39:47
Speaker 1: went and lost like two games, and one of them
39:50
Speaker 1: was to pit this past weekend, so I'm sure the
39:53
Speaker 1: ticket prices dropped dramatically. But regardless, I think it'll be
39:58
Speaker 1: a fun time getting to go a game with teams
40:01
Speaker 1: that you don't really have a stake in it. You
40:04
Speaker 1: just get to go and watch some football and have fun.
40:07
Speaker 1: So last year it was an eight overtime game. I'm
40:10
Speaker 1: hoping that we get just a fraction of that kind
40:12
Speaker 1: of game.
40:14
Speaker 2: That would be awesome.
40:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, anything else you wanted to hit on
40:19
Speaker 1: before we sign off for the night.
40:21
Speaker 2: Now, I'm good.
40:23
Speaker 1: All right, Well that will do it for us, folks.
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Speaker 1: For the world famous accountant Eric Vanminschowten, I'm Nick de Tulio,
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Speaker 1: and this has been another episode of the GameHouse dot
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Speaker 1: COM's Steelers Country Weekly