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Bishop Joseph Walker | When Grief Meets New Love… What Do You Do · Love You Moore with Willie Moore Jr.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now it's time for the episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey family, Willie Mojoon, you're here and welcome to another love you more show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, many times when you see pastors and bishops and if you from where I'm from a lot of times, you like now what's the difference between the pastor and the bishop, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know the difference, but you realize that there's a level of leadership and there may be a thought of what you think of bishop and a pastor is supposed to be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Could it be that that is just your imagination?
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[SPEAKER_04]: that maybe just maybe a person who supports and cheers on Christianity also has a level of humanity.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Today you'll get the opportunity to hang out with a man who's not only a true man of God, he's a Christian.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's also human.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Today I get the esteemed privilege to hang out with the Bishop, Joseph Walker, the third.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love you more, love you more, love you more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, yes, another episode of the Love You More Show as you can see season eight has started and listen, my clothes seem like they fit in just a little bit tighter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what that mean, don't it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been in that gym, okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been working really, really hard because I've lived long, javity comes with consistency.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I've been doing my best to make sure that I give you the best version of my self and it starts with, you know, the gym, okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Today, I get the esteemed privilege to hang out with a man that I've seen for the last decade, really,
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[SPEAKER_04]: essentially making ripples in the gospel industry, in the church industry, as a civic leader, as an entrepreneur, he really is able to be the bridge between the streets and the church.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you've ever had the opportunity to be in Nashville, I know that you've had the opportunity to see the guest that I'm hanging out with today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Many people know him from a lot of things, but I know him from a dear friend feel, Thornton, who brought me to his church at a time when I was really
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember him preaching the message about consistency and doing your best to stay faithful to everything that God is saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Today, I get the esteemed privilege to hang out with my fourth favorite cue dog, Bishop, Joseph Walker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's in the house.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's going on with you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: My God.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you know I got breaking few cousins in the interviews.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the sub.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing, brother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good to be with you man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm honored man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What you're doing, man, it's just life
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[SPEAKER_04]: Indeed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't know if you had the opportunity to watch any of the episodes, but what I like to do is I like to start with an icebreaker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So in this particular icebreaker, the name of this song is called Save Room for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check this out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anybody out there, ever lost a friend like me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, is there anybody out there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who needs to focus the light of me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just keep it right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody out there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: So long, so long, so long I know how you feel Those feelings are me
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what it's like It's like Oh Just a little role I mean the name of the song is saved room for me Bitch I walk and I got to ask you this man
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[SPEAKER_04]: It took you three years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Many people know about Stephanie, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because she is the love of your life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys have two amazing children.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Many people don't know that Diane was your first wife.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And she died.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What was it like for a man who's preaching the gospel, having to get up on stage, talk about a guy that at the time, and in that season, you might not have a smile on your face when it came to him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Talk a little bit about losing the love of your life and then having to navigate that season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it was one of the toughest days of my life, you know, going between, you know, the irony of my church being Mount Zion and having to show up at Mount Zion and then go to the private valley of my own personal distress of watching my wife deteriorate while I'm encouraging other people watching them get heal, watching miracles happen, but it wasn't happening for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then going through the demonic interrogation and how the enemy comes in and says,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, have faith to pray for your wife's healing or it's not happening for you and you're living this dichotomy of going up to the mountain and going to the valley and back and forth and then you in this place where you know you have to show up for people that you put on this facade that everything is okay when it's not and when she passed away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was in that moment, I realized, you know, how fragile life was, and how important it was to me to kind of take the mask off of pretensionness, pretentiousness and let people know that people needed to know about my humanity, more so than a divinity that rested within me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now she's a real person, a real husband, losing a real wife and brought it just ripped me to pieces.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: how did the people respond to the new version of you after losing your life?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, that waiting for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Waiting for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I don't know how, how is it that it takes trauma sometimes or tragedy to bring us to that place or we take off the mass, we come to that place, but we can trust that our humanity will be embraced and accepted, often people are waiting for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that place of
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[SPEAKER_03]: genuineness, authenticity is what began to really grow our church and bring people in dear people to our ministry because it was real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't pretentious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I lived it in real time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I preached through it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was leading while bleeding, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was, it was real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, Bishop, you know, I got to keep in one with them when I put their
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why did you and everybody include in myself?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do we think we feel like we have to put this mask on?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is there something in culture that kind of prongs us to like, hey, well, you know, I'm a Christian.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So not have to be like, why does things have to be taken off and versus coming in authentically as yourself in the beginning of your walk of Christ?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: This, hey, I'm really sorry to interrupt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What it, because people calculate the cost of what authenticity offers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: negotiation in one's mind and spirit about that like can I walk into this space and be my authentic self and what will be the cost of that or if I go in and I put on this mask and I I basically submit to the version of myself that they created in their head maybe it'll advance me further.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that sometimes this idea of masking and the masquerade has for years existed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think what happens when we finally see someone's humanity, we're shocked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're like in this place of shock at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things that I'm, I'm a, you know, really proponent of is that we're not judged man on what we do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we often have to be going, what are you doing, bro?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're doing it, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But God didn't make us human doings made us human beings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so how many people show up in your life and say, how you be?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How you be, bro?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like how you be?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because the doing and nestier times is us from the being.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I'm busy and I'm doing all this stuff, I don't have to deal with those pains and reality of my struggle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't have a safe place to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I turn it in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes that can move into coping mechanisms that are dysfunctional, or sometimes with it all hits the fan, you're like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what, I'm a real brother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a real dude with a real struggle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because back this, when you come up front and say, look, this is me authentically.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I put my pants on like you do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you believe, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't put me on the pedestal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you do that, that's your fault.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, I'm held to a high standard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And every single day, the reason why I'm able to connect with you, because I have the same struggles you have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the same grace that it's applied to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to extend to you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then, so three years later, after losing your beautiful wife,
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[SPEAKER_04]: You said in essence magazine that you wrote what you thought a wife for you would be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think it's important for men of God, women of God to write the vision and make it playing also in the choosing of their mate?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because a lot of people write this long laundry list of things, what does that list look like for you coming after being married and losing your wife?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I like to say, as your wife was promoted to heaven.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The preamble of that list, bro was, you know, when I'm young, looking for a wife, I'm looking for all the things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you got to be right, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want this, that, that, that, all that, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then when you, when you lose a wife, you lose a spouse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's how that changed for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nor if the doctor walked out of the room and said, we've done all we could do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: give me somebody that was stayed there with me and believe God for my turn around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not someone who walked out with a doctor and be thinking about their next.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But real wife would stand with you, husband would stand with you in the most difficult seasons of your life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when all that other stuff, you know, all the half fine of your gravity or change that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Gravity or change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but we'll not change all this stuff that the love is enduring And when you find someone that anybody that will ride in the limo But not many people catch the bus Finds and so on out when I meet Steph, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm against that list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be Stephanie the thing that I knew I knew God answer prayer Because my wife was doing it man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's like up at Harvard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but she doing that thing, man She's like you all let me tell you some we lost all this
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[SPEAKER_03]: We get a studio apartment, get some warm-a-loop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't start all over again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yep, that's the one because it's not about the stuff or what I do with it about me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of Joseph.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm writing this list, I'm thinking about all these things and I want it and I begin to realize that it is not the merger of two lives.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the collision of two histories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, what am I being a little bit?
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[SPEAKER_04]: the collision of two histories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody can get down to my history.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you handle my history?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a history.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're not, let's be honest, most people can handle the truth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: about your history.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a real fact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't tell the truth, it's going to come out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the truth says you're free.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The history, the collision because you have people come from various experiences, various upbringing, those things collide.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a beautiful collegiate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It creates, I think, this amazing thing that God does.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: All the pieces fall in place and it God does what you and I cannot do with a some total of us together is greater than us individually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that is the blessing of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, I wanted someone who could handle my history.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we've already talked about gambling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you know, I got to keep it 100 with you, Bishop.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Your NAS wheel, staffs and balls.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, your wife transitions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that there's a laundry list.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, screaming, who are now coming to the church.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Bro, it's great to make sure that they can occupy the now empty space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bro, that's what I learned.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a thin, there's a thin line between the voice of God and mental health.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I ain't never my life, that's how many people say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And God told me the same thing, I'm like, I just told to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a top so mad at God, that's so mad at God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just told God, God, you didn't look.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, people will create the narrative in their head, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, but again, you know, your single, the pastor, you know, but you have to be careful, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because people are drawn to the version of you that they created in their head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: they don't really know you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And being a leader sometimes, there's this facade.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm in this place where I'm trans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm being transformed in public.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm moving out of the pretentious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm coming into like the real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yo, this is 10.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm crying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, this is me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm heard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel wanting to break.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm resetting my team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, look, I can't do all this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I realized what's important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think in the real life, like a lot of people, man, they are drawn to like mosquitoes to the light.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it sucked the blood out of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't looking for takers, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was looking for giveers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was looking for somebody who's going to come in and help me build something that was going to be bigger than me and bigger than them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stepping that came together for purpose is greater than I say else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't the serve I said, it was for purpose, greater than I said.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Early years, Bishop, how did you grow up?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you grow up with mom and dad?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I grew up in Shreepot, Louisiana, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was a city tree man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Boy, what you know about me?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right down the way bro, my folks from I, I think a shadow, they jacks all over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You already know, bro.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that is what just happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that is, though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you can have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm from, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm from all that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And from freeport, man, grew up down in my dead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My dead, man, is a 97 years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's right, my mom transitioned four and a half years ago in church grew up in church.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My dad, the deacon mom, especially a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My dad was the first black entrepreneurs in Street, 40th of janitorial company, which was a rise of passage for us as kids, taught me my work ethic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had to work on the truck.
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[SPEAKER_03]: clean box till air force base we all yeah all this stuff man my dad got these contracts early and put us to school and uh it just taught us our values man I grew up like that went to our southern in band roots okay marching the human group box okay the one band world
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I learned.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some things dot dots of Greg's taught me about about time management, about what it means.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You'd be on time, you'd be in the right place the right time, but the right stuff there to concentrate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I learned a lot of like how I lead from that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The band made boys to men.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I then moved me into that space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, you know, went on to get the Nashville to Vanderbilt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I went up to Princeton man and did my doctorate work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: from I didn't know I was poor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were just the richest poors people on the street.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so I thought everybody ate spaghetti every day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought everybody had sugar water bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because we never taught them, but we just, it's amazing how my parents had for us, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you realized I didn't know I was poor until I finished college and I came home outside day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we really grew up on, like this is, but poverty is a mindset, not a condition, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I began to realize what God was doing in me and kind of allowed me to see the world man from street for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And allow me to, you know, get back, you'd be a blessing that's so many in my hometown and where, and it's like you don't realize that formative space, how it's developing you and how from meager beginnings, how God is really building stuff and you that you'll never ever outgrow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, something similar is that my mother and my father, they were both work as housekeepers, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So my dad's from a little town in Mississippi.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's 95 years you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then crazy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then he's right, my dad.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then my generation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my mom 85.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's doing her right mind.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Loving God's deal, cousin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I just appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It works.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She gives me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I just, you know, being adopted and
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[SPEAKER_04]: working really, really hard, handling their business, doing what they're supposed to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, my father, he wasn't an avid church girl.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, mine would take me sometime again to Louise to this day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She still think I'm gonna know a shit with the little bird in your pants, with the pink shirt, pink, both with the burgundy, both tied with the white clothes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's still think I could do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But my dad never went and it makes me think about men.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do men sometimes shy away from the church
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[SPEAKER_04]: being led by another man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just something that they can't really compute like I can just go to God myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's that's really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You bring that up, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So to that point about growing up in that generation of men, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Those are street, street, street and street for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And never was a day in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see my dad on the work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All the men on street street they backed out in the morning trucks going to work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They put that in my mind about what
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was like an ass of me in my house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can serve the Lord.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think sometimes Fatherless this Make we ate that lack of being led because what is true?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Your family will go where you lead them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as a man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so sometimes me and have one suspicion of that because it's like, I don't know how to trust being under another man, because the man in my life failed me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that that's a real concern.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That that is a legitimate thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That comes from something much deeper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then to do with the pastor, whether it's I have a fundamental dish trust of the consistency of what that might be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been bailed down in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to be let down again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll go to God myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another thing is about accountability.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody wants to be accountable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the biggest challenges for me is accountability.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can't tell me, no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, only God can judge me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you really won't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I rather you judge me than him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Accountability, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause you whatever you stay in under is what you understand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: accountability.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can somebody call me and love me enough to tell me the truth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in love.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, one of these that I say to the men in our church, and we're blessed to have, I mean, Mount Zion National has, oh my god, full of men.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I actually did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you've been successful, then.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, but what messaging are you giving, where me and say, oh, I can rock with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm messages aren't demonized in brothers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, sometimes you can lean into that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, girl, if you do this to you and do that, brothers like young man, come on now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who is this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bro, they are right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You work in, yeah, no, I'm working in the crowd.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Working in the crowd for looking at the crowd for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, these, these guys sitting up in here, man, they work hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling the women look, this man that he's working is he already started behind, A-Ball, he get out of work, go to the ring, he's taking blows, and then the bail ring he comes home, he ain't trying to fight in the corner, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you give him a glass of water, give him a massage, and say, hey, baby, keep your dooks up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be all right, you know?
24:43
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm encouraging those brothers, and I'm being patient with them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God has allowed an incredible diverse group of men from
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[SPEAKER_03]: from Hollywood to Major League, professional sports in all of a baseball football basketball to entertainment to guys who are straight up out the hood, fresh out of jail to all sit in the same space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and viola sense of comfort and connection because I think it comes from that place of authenticity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's ultimate of what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Guys can sense what's real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bro, this dude, he's talking about language is real.
25:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And so for me, it's all about purpose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, you're here for a reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't understand that reason, we all are here to solve a problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you don't understand that problem, you become the problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I'm going to help you understand what the problem is, you're supposed to solve.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what's out.
25:39
[SPEAKER_04]: So in essence, when Stephanie, she talked a little bit about meeting you for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And she was like, hey, like, I don't want to meet the past.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to meet him at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't want to meet him at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I want to meet him at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she like, now I'm not doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on Joseph.
25:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, you're that was different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you want Joseph.
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, now I'm thinking like, but I did pray for this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, okay, can you handle Joseph?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll be honest, if you pull transparency, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I didn't roll all that out at one time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys will, you guys will live with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was scared, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What part did you hold in and what part did you give?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bro, like my, my, my struggles, you know, the stuff that I was like, you know, with me in struggle, yeah, and, and dealing with like my insecurities, you know, my hesitancies, you know, I wasn't, some of the healing I had fully experienced from the trauma of the loss, you know, and so, you know, you're living out, you're acting out, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're,
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[SPEAKER_03]: When God sent you a wife, she got to be a non-efficient.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because bro, bro, everybody can't deal with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bro, everybody can't deal with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Stepping it was a non-efficient meal broke.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that woman needs the hand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, did he say that woman need a crown now?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because the stuff that they feel up to, because what I've learned is that God doesn't send people in your life for your actuality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He sends it for your potential.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're attracted to right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you, you this, you'll miss your blessing because you caught up in your actual eyes have not seen or ears hurt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's about what you're going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've got to align somebody in your life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You said, and they could be sitting in the corner quiet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You never know this person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not my night yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They'll watch me go through all these right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People just wait until you reckon about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They get you if you've been waiting on for your night yet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's so good.
27:37
[SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of shit.
27:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I've got the law about being.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm trying to keep it together because I'm trying to be professional.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But no, I have to ask you this, Bishop.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What is the misconception that most women have about me in the ministry?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, I think that we are, I think the several, I think one that we, we don't have a lot of balance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that it's it's it's it's always about church and everything's going to be about this and God and Jesus and we're not like we are people and we can't we look at the game bro we like the we like the down most down the earth like bro we really like you know and and if you really clear bro we get married we are not taking me hell you're jacked on 100 we are not taking we're not doing that right like we we're real people they have struggles with that I think also they have difficulty with
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[SPEAKER_03]: how culture has created this narrative about who we are all preachers do this and all preachers that we are be careful because all you know and so that they they front that a lot of them front that cool and and literally so some of that stuff is true but for the most part it's not and I think that that can be a tough thing that makes a lot of suspicion happening around in the steppin it was like I don't want to may have passed it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, should I ain't gonna do it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, why?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, um, because I heard about you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What does that mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What is that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How did you gain a trust?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, for her to know that you're not one of the, those I did, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't introduce her the pastor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just said it, Chelsea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: as I was being reintroduced to Joseph.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where we are both meeting Joseph.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See, because I get called, I'm under the, I'm under the Omega side by Tree of Southern University.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God called me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on my flat by that 20 years old, 20, 20, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on my way to law school.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on the graduate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm about to go law school and go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God called me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Joseph.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's air by no means Joe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I get call.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm revered.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then I get call to the church at 24.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm pastor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just now, seven years later, I get consecrated Bishop in full gospel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm Bishop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm presiding Bishop of the full gospel Baptist fellowship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: presiding bishop, bishop, pastor, Reverend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe, I love Josa Whale here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's all these versions of me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We love Josa back there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm like trying to rescue Josa.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to, what happened?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing all this stuff trying to get back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm a barely privately against all these nerds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I just wanna go and be, can we call it Miami just for like two days and let me just sit on the beach and be Josa?
30:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And nobody knows that version of me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I got to learn that version of me.
30:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to meet him because for 11 years, I'm married to Diane in my first marriage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Miles, I had blowing up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm young.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to create your be this person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They won't meet to be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then she died.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now I got to run right in the Joseph.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: a person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking to mirror at home, bro, grieving, like, got to get to know me in a big old house by myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who am I?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, who am I?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I began to realize, like, in all these different manifestations of who I was, and I said it intentionally, that this will happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of us, we get so seduced by the applause.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if
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[SPEAKER_03]: The applause becomes your oxygen, then you will suffocate in the silence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I was, and nobody applauded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just me, and who is this dude?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Stephanie's askin' me not Bishop questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She asked, and you know him, it's the... Hi, you know him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, how am I supposed to know that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: All I know is, I can't go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah man, I got to start this campus over there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the Joseph.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You ask me something nobody else before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I know you're the one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I know people who genuinely coming my life at any level, friendship or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They meant to be with me because you're not asking me about what I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, my who I be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Was that uncomfortable for the little boy Joseph 20 year old Joseph, who now is 40 years old 37 years old how uncomfortable for you was it for you to recognize that Joseph, because I tell ladies behind the camera at the time that there are different versions of the man that you see there's a boy that like, and he don't even understand him all the way, how did you get to know that Joseph again after all of these layers and I put on this 24 year old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: had to grieve, I had to go through the process of grief and really like on that I missed that person and I had to also own some of the dysfunction that the separation of that authentic Joseph and these positions created.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We see this like with child stars and that was Michael Jackson, then that was Madden's just stations of Michael Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he was always trying to get back to that little boy that he lost because when Fane comes on this.coms, you lose sight of the things that you like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's about what the people want, but the people want, what do I want?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to grieve the loss of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to grieve like, yo, I had to grieve
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote in my book my recent book, a chapter called 735, but I talked about like every film I did abroad, 735 films, about time out there book, people didn't realize where I didn't want to do none of them, I thought I lost a wife, every time I cast a clothes I really live in my wife.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to tell people that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause I had to be there.
33:54
[SPEAKER_03]: This is your mama, this is your aunt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm your pastor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't be like, I can't do this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I got to put on all this strength to be there for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I got to really of every time that casket clothes, I got to really of clothes in the casket all my way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I got to realize that not only that, but then I realized in my brokenness, I went through this situation where I wrote about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then I lost my mother, my lost as a son, then I lost my brother who's like my hero as a sibling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm gonna say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I experienced loss in three places that most people will experience either spouse, either a child, a son, a daughter or a sibling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And God used that brokenness to help me show up in a place of empathy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so when I'm being with badmills, I'm like, you know, I'll be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know how you feel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to sit up and tell you God neither another fly or four is going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's boy, right?
34:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
34:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to tell you right now.
34:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you got questions in God and handle them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you heard because I'm heard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know what to say to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was to be here for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just here, so you know, I don't know how this energy going to turn out, I can't sit on my computer and be like, I'm going to write this one up, let's say bro, you just lost your mama, you just lost, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to show up in the whole spirit, do what he's going to do for us both, because I'm still healing, because it's still tentative touch, because I had time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had time to deal with mine, and that's been years ago, but I had to keep going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brown, people kept dying and people kept asking for me, kept asking me, can Bishop do my funeral, can Bishop do feel, can Bishop do my brother, can you imagine that?
35:37
[SPEAKER_03]: You just put your wife in there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now you got to turn right back around and just keep doing it.
35:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep doing it.
35:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep doing it.
35:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep doing it.
35:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And people don't mean in the harm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just they don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They know you for what you do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: piece by piece.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The brokenness.
35:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:58
[SPEAKER_04]: So you have this 24 year old Joseph who's now being not necessarily buried buried but planted by the Joseph Walker that everybody's going to know from the 24 to now, you know, you're in your 40s.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You get married again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You still have this grief that you still haven't dealt with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: what's definitely a safe place to be able to also share what you may have been feeling from your form of wife.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cause that's scary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: To be like, hey, how are you feeling today?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of miss it hurt.
36:28
[SPEAKER_04]: But this my wife, like, did you ever feel this tug of war that was like, can I, can I give these parts to hurt?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How did you all navigate with your feelings?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell luckily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like delicately, delicately.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Staff was a true pro, she knew it.
36:43
[SPEAKER_03]: She came in knowing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things that she was committed to is not competing with the legacy of Diane.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She just knew that she needed to be there for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I knew in my spirit.
36:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not an inacromance.
36:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't talk to the day.
37:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:00
[SPEAKER_03]: But I knew in my spirit that I had to release that she was the one.
37:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I never felt that from other women, I dated.
37:13
[SPEAKER_03]: But when I messed up, I felt overleast that the connection you have was somebody never goes away and I felt like, because Diane was always protective of me.
37:22
[SPEAKER_03]: She was always like, I'm gonna make sure, like I'm covering, I got you.
37:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a feel like when I messed up, I could trust you with her.
37:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she could.
37:31
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're cancer being in that three and seeing that thing, you know, and Diane, do what to do.
37:36
[SPEAKER_04]: How does that affect you
37:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Bro, first of all, it changed everything.
37:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It changed the way I ate the change, the way I preach and teach about health.
37:49
[SPEAKER_03]: What I met Steph Steph is a position.
37:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
37:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my wife is a real physician.
37:56
[SPEAKER_04]: So let me dip out, right, good.
37:57
[SPEAKER_04]: See, sometimes you got the mario up and pass somebody's phone.
38:02
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because for real when you get to that is some people who just want to just be next to vision, she like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I came up when I met her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did that intimidate you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
38:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Was that the mega sci-fi?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
38:39
[SPEAKER_04]: It don't matter what she is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't eat it.
38:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't eat it.
38:44
[SPEAKER_04]: So I didn't intimidate you at all.
38:45
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I wanted that.
38:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm challenged by that.
38:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm listening.
38:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Game recognized game.
38:51
[SPEAKER_03]: We come together like this.
38:53
[SPEAKER_03]: We are built for one another.
38:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And.
38:57
[SPEAKER_03]: But health, man, was something that she advocated for, changed our whole church, changed our gospel.
39:02
[SPEAKER_03]: We thought I think I'll church it.
39:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And I got off a pork, I got off a red meat, I thought eating healthy, man, getting myself right.
39:12
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just about losing weight.
39:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It was about mental health.
39:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It was about holistic health.
39:16
[SPEAKER_03]: We put that teachings in the church, created no fries on all this stuff, man.
39:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And so now, everywhere I go, people laugh at me, they say, when you invite this to me and all, you better make sure you guys say I'm on the fruit bro, cause you, you're right.
39:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Jolly, I'm back to make me dig my grave in no fall.
39:31
[SPEAKER_04]: man, I was just with Kurt Franklin on the, I guess, right, my God.
39:35
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, it's vacation.
39:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
39:38
[SPEAKER_04]: So, of course, I'm still something salmon.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing my best.
39:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:41
[SPEAKER_04]: But all they had old carrot cake with a lot.
39:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, did you throw a little ice cream on there?
39:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Kurt walks around the corner.
39:46
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, you eat that.
39:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a police.
39:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, Kurt, a food depot, man.
39:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, bro, I said, I said, I said, it's vacation.
39:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just, I was getting the cake.
39:56
[SPEAKER_04]: You eat that in that crazy.
39:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, yeah, I'm like, you don't not even on vacation.
40:01
[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, no, maybe a couple rice cakes and some peanut butter.
40:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know what that is, all right?
40:06
[SPEAKER_03]: The step is this moderation is okay.
40:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what you did was five.
40:10
[SPEAKER_03]: But some of us honestly,
40:13
[SPEAKER_03]: We can't open our spirit up to it.
40:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's how we can't have it.
40:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm just going to be spirit up to it.
40:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Once you're like me, I love chocolate.
40:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I had like, bro, can you give me a little chocolate piece of candy?
40:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm trying to justify, I'm just about browning next.
40:28
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just Brown and I'm a just to find some chocolate cream at the spot.
40:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm be just to find a piece of chocolate cake.
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, along.
40:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to all look at that in the gym as old.
40:36
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I tell you, everybody.
40:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I go everything for full of speed.
40:40
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's why I don't play with them.
40:41
[SPEAKER_04]: This is out there getting women.
40:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I won it all alone.
40:43
[SPEAKER_04]: We was drinking.
40:44
[SPEAKER_04]: I won it all alone.
40:45
[SPEAKER_04]: So when I got to hear the Jesus, I wouldn't hear playing.
40:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I can find some better ways to go to here.
40:50
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like for real like if we don't play with it right I'm not be packaged Do what you think I should but I'm with him Yeah, I mean so for me like when Kirk said that I was like, you know I either caking then don't eat it again for yeah, but ever then he could and then he's in the gym Before point oh yeah with a seven incline Daniel running and then he was like oh you got to do us an out and I had to take a crack.
41:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I said look your man man.
41:13
[SPEAKER_04]: I speak and
41:15
[SPEAKER_04]: And I tell a few little funny jokes in some of the comedy clips.
41:18
[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing that requires me to work that whole.
41:22
[SPEAKER_04]: In my fourth scene, future, I just don't know.
41:24
[SPEAKER_04]: But then you see him on stage.
41:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, you don't drink me at all that.
41:27
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you don't drink me at all that shit.
41:29
[SPEAKER_03]: All that energy.
41:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
41:30
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, we decided, but I don't, you know, I don't need it.
41:34
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, when I, when I pick up the book,
41:37
[SPEAKER_04]: pursuit of purpose, peace, P.E.A.C.E.
41:40
[SPEAKER_04]: by peace.
41:41
[SPEAKER_04]: What chapter in this book almost didn't make it because it was just too vulnerable?
41:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh.
41:47
[SPEAKER_03]: A chapter in every candy is enabled.
41:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I talked about betrayal.
41:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I talked about when you blame people close, you love people and how you realize that you don't necessarily get to control the narrative sometimes.
42:01
[SPEAKER_03]: People are your friends and to their not.
42:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody experienced their level of betrayal and it hurts so much when you have a good heart and how a broken heart and betrayal is after.
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[SPEAKER_03]: your heart.
42:12
[SPEAKER_03]: It's trying to change the nature of your heart.
42:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It changes nature of your heart that you'll never trust like that again.
42:19
[SPEAKER_03]: But I had to remove the walls so that I could allow love to come back.
42:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't let somebody else's situation and how they treated me, calls me to judge someone else's motives and intent.
42:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But that was a hard chapter, because I was living in a real time.
42:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So you were writing the real time, real time, real time, you help people, man.
42:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You know that feeling when you help people and then they have them leisure.
42:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you people walk into a place and like you don't exist.
42:47
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, did I just happen?
42:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're trying to figure out your mind, what did I do?
42:51
[SPEAKER_03]: What did I do?
42:52
[SPEAKER_03]: You realized you did nothing.
42:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's something they kind of worked through themselves.
42:57
[SPEAKER_03]: And I had a difficult time with that because I think I'm pretty nice guy.
43:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And when people broke my heart, that people betrayed me, it was just hard.
43:04
[SPEAKER_03]: That almost didn't make it, man.
43:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:06
[SPEAKER_04]: How does it, how do you handle bulge a city tree pool Joseph with the bishop when somebody betrays?
43:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing, I'm from St. Louis.
43:18
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love God without my heart.
43:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Thieves and betrayal are really difficult for me.
43:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And I would be the first to say that on numerous occasions, I got it wrong.
43:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm learning communication, cat, classes, breathe and taking this, like I was the Christian that really needed Jesus.
43:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:33
[SPEAKER_04]: You do something to me.
43:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I'm going to tap you on the road.
43:36
[SPEAKER_04]: And not only I listen, that's when you go low.
43:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:39
[SPEAKER_04]: You go high.
43:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Now when you go low, I'm going to go to hell with you.
43:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just letting you know we go out of the way, baby.
43:45
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm learning.
43:46
[SPEAKER_04]: that there are new ways that I can deal with conflict.
43:50
[SPEAKER_04]: But how did you battle the, because I, I know what Shree poured about.
43:55
[SPEAKER_04]: I know what, but you see the teachers going to school.
43:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Like how do you level that out when you've given all you can?
44:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Because number one, you do not give like that when you, when you from Shree poured it's like, hey, you better hold something.
44:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't trust them.
44:07
[SPEAKER_04]: They teach you not to what not to do.
44:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Christ teaches you, hey, man, you know, they teach you a new version.
44:13
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you fight the old man
44:15
[SPEAKER_04]: something provokes the old man that it's supposed to be there, but he let you know early like, I'm still here.
44:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I recognize that they have not done awareness of who I am fundamentally what God is doing.
44:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Jesus says Father forgive them.
44:32
[SPEAKER_03]: They know not.
44:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't lose energy over the
44:42
[SPEAKER_03]: the strategy of what they're trying to do.
44:45
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know who they're doing it to.
44:47
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't know who they were crucified.
44:49
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't know.
44:50
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a son of God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know the death in your life.
44:53
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know.
44:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So when Bible says God, preserves as anointed.
44:56
[SPEAKER_03]: God, whatever, but trail, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: things that have happened.
45:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't set me back that my gifts and my purpose has been hinder because of it.
45:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It just hurt my feelings.
45:09
[SPEAKER_03]: It calls me the Pauls and say, what the, but it never stopped God's purposes in coming to pass and so I realized, you know what, then that ain't on me.
45:21
[SPEAKER_03]: that's on them.
45:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like that person, you know, like sitting around me, I like the lady, you've got no, she's keep taking rocks and putting in a bad packet with the people's name to hurt her.
45:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And every time she put rocks in the bad pack, and then she's been in, oh, what's my, what you got?
45:35
[SPEAKER_03]: All the people that hurt me, I can't around.
45:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So what you carrying it.
45:38
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't live in their life, why are you carrying it?
45:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you hurting so I'm not carrying it?
45:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't let it go.
45:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't let God deal with it.
45:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've been free ever since.
45:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me not own deal with it.
45:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't cry, but I've learned how to release it.
45:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And recognize that they may not be in a place that truly understand.
45:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
45:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Quiet.
45:58
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they say only about 29% 30% of people actually read a book and it's entirety, right?
46:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Like 30% of people aren't read it.
46:06
[SPEAKER_04]: So if a person can only read one chapter out of this book, what is your prayer that they take away from?
46:12
[SPEAKER_03]: That you are here for something amazing and that your purpose is not one dimensional.
46:17
[SPEAKER_03]: but your purpose is multi-dimensional.
46:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you understand your why, then why makes you cry?
46:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And you realize why you get up and do what you do.
46:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It is not because you're looking for affirmation for people, but you want to do that thing that God plays on the pen and to do.
46:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you walk squarely into that, watch as you realize that everything that happened in your life, every piece at ECE of it.
46:39
[SPEAKER_03]: was all put together to help you come to a place of peace about it.
46:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't piece about what happened because look what it produced and all that stuff that that's what makes purpose matter.
46:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And do every day I don't go to a job or go to purpose.
46:54
[SPEAKER_04]: That's real.
46:55
[SPEAKER_04]: And last question is I land a plane.
46:57
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, most people know you as Bishop.
46:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
47:00
[SPEAKER_04]: But you have so many different civic leadership roles as well as entrepreneurship vent ventures.
47:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, a couple, you know accountability, mentors who hold me accountable, I have systems in place.
47:20
[SPEAKER_03]: People don't necessarily have that kind of direct access to me.
47:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very cognizant of that social media is like, you got to be careful with that bro.
47:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes sir.
47:26
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to go like that.
47:28
[SPEAKER_03]: My wife helped me with that.
47:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
47:30
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, not to steal.
47:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But stuff to true with that.
47:32
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and in learning boundaries, man, I've learned that no was a real answer.
47:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do it or I can't borrow the ocean and it's nothing more important to me than my family and everything goes from the core that that core is loose that wheels going to be wobbly no matter where I'm trying to go so people understand that you recognize that you know what I'm going to take it because the internet days not going to be how many books I wrote
47:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to be how many conferences I spoke and interviews I did.
47:57
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be about came my children looking me and say, I'm like, yeah, it's just looking me and say, yeah, that's my husband.
48:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
48:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
48:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
48:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
48:05
[SPEAKER_04]: May I really appreciate those words, man?
48:08
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been so fruitful.
48:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Family, you know, I got to talk to you real quick.
48:11
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm holding a pursuit of pursuit of partners piece by piece.
48:16
[SPEAKER_04]: The question is, are you holding, um,
48:19
[SPEAKER_04]: your pursuit of purpose.
48:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
48:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's a book that's going to help you navigate through that, but we really have to act ourselves like, honestly, am I holding on to my purpose or has life really drawn that thing out?
48:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes that job that we have every single day and we continuously go, you know, sometimes that was last season.
48:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And as I listened to D. Joseph Walker, I realized that there were so many layers.
48:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the one thing that stuck out to me was him being this young man getting this call, 20 years old, 24.
48:49
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not a pastor and everybody celebrate them.
48:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he began to just build layers on top of it and he found itself in the place where he didn't know where Joseph went.
49:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And he had to go back and find out some of the attributes of what he was.
49:04
[SPEAKER_04]: And here's the thing, he didn't take all the bones with the fish, right?
49:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometime just spit the bone, they don't go now, but who am I foundationally?
49:10
[SPEAKER_04]: The question becomes for you, like who are you foundationally now?
49:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Besides the babies, besides the job, besides the wife, besides the husband, besides the title.
49:23
[SPEAKER_04]: Many of you all know my story and I often tell you that man, that version of myself that I was praising, that I held as an idol, like he had to die.
49:35
[SPEAKER_04]: And my question to you is, are you willing to let God kill it?
49:39
[SPEAKER_04]: You say, how will God kill something that I hold down so like I'm holding on like it's a so sacred?
49:45
[SPEAKER_04]: The truth is, sometimes when people air you out and they put you on blast or they seem to betray you and now they know this version that was supposed to be a secret, you're still holding on to that and you saying listen, I never forget this person because they wasn't supposed to say that the truth is, God used them to make sure that that person was outed because he or she no longer can serve the purpose that God has for you in your future.
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[SPEAKER_04]: full transparency.
50:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Just this last week, I was sitting there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just hanging out with God.
50:15
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I like to drive my little fans call me and God.
50:17
[SPEAKER_04]: We go to talk and I got my little worship music girl and I was talking and I was like, God, I searched my heart.
50:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why I said, that's that guy, search my heart and he showed me that I still had some alternate forgiveness for for some more.
50:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, well, I mean, I'm cool.
50:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I try to be cool with them.
50:37
[SPEAKER_04]: But what about what they did to me, God?
50:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how can I ever give them myself fully to somebody who would do things like that?
50:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, why would they put all my business out there?
50:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that people were never supposed to know me that way?
50:49
[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I even went deeper.
50:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, God, they put a stain on my last name, and I'm adopted, and those people let me borrow that last name.
50:59
[SPEAKER_04]: And I said it in quiet, because prayers are dialogue.
51:01
[SPEAKER_04]: God wants to speak back.
51:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And I heard in my spirit, he was supposed to die.
51:06
[SPEAKER_04]: He was supposed to be out of it.
51:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And how can you be mad at the person who helped you become free?
51:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And I have to handle her different now.
51:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Because how can I be mad on how it happened when it was supposed to?
51:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know what you think.
51:24
[SPEAKER_04]: And man, that's a mature way to look at it.
51:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Man, Christian people, I always try to put the seal of a line in it, but I just believe that all things.
51:32
[SPEAKER_04]: work together for the good for those who love the Lord and a call to according to his purpose.
51:40
[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe just maybe today you realize that your purpose was so much bigger than the pain that someone else calls you.
51:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe you can offer them their hand if again, it's because the trick of the enemy is to make your heart heart.
51:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Your heart just to be so hard that you can't receive the love and the revelation that's necessary.
51:58
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the Bible often talks about like your heart, like you hear it in your heart, the problem is I know ears in there.
52:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
52:05
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's the bridge between you and other people.
52:08
[SPEAKER_04]: And if that bridge has a close on it, it's hard for you to touch and go to where God wants you to be.
52:14
[SPEAKER_04]: So my challenge for you today, you know, then let's, oh, I feel to say my son and now right now too, but some of y'all is God.
52:21
[SPEAKER_04]: For some of you is God.
52:22
[SPEAKER_04]: How could they take my love when everybody else getting healed?
52:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to let you know, man, I understand.
52:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand.
52:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And he understands.
52:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't have all the answers, but I know he wants to give you revelation and why you're going through what you're going through if you'll be open to here.
52:40
[SPEAKER_04]: So new version is coming to you.
52:42
[SPEAKER_04]: And I believe God wants to do it sooner than later.
52:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Receive it and don't forget to love yourself.
52:48
[SPEAKER_04]: More.
52:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I love you, man.
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