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The Week That Was October 15 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And of course it is Friday morning.
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Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and joining
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Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning, we've got the Opposition leader,
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Speaker 2: Leah Fanochiaro, good morning.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Happy Friday, Oh love Friday.
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Speaker 2: We've also got Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning morning.
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Speaker 2: And Kesier Purick, the Independent member for Goder, Good morning
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Speaker 2: to you.
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Speaker 1: Mor oh hang on, I've got the wrong microphone on there.
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Speaker 1: Good morning again, Kezy. I did that on purpose, just
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Speaker 1: because I was late morning for all people.
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Speaker 2: And we've got Natasha Fhiles, the Health Minister and Tourism Minister.
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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: And Kezier and I are sharing a microphone. Yes we
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Speaker 4: go quiet, that's why.
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Speaker 2: But Matt's prepared to share. He's a little bit as well.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure if required, if there's any need. Hey, mate,
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Speaker 2: the record, I'm not prepared to share my mac.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: Look, each there's no doubt it's going to be a
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Speaker 2: busy morning because, as we know, the Northern Territory government
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Speaker 2: has issued a legal direction mandating workers in a broad
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Speaker 2: range of settings received their COVID nineteen vaccine within a month.
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Speaker 2: The Chief Minister, Michael Gunner made the announcement earlier in
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Speaker 2: the week and confirm that the mandate covered all public
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Speaker 2: facing roles, including those likely to come into contact with
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Speaker 2: a vulnerable person, so essential infrastructure, food or essential goods,
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Speaker 2: security or supply or logistics.
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Speaker 1: In the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 2: Now the workers, as we know will be required to
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Speaker 2: have received at least one dose by November twelve and
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Speaker 2: a second by November or by December twenty four. The
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Speaker 2: sticking point if you don't comply, you will be permitted
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Speaker 2: to and you will not be permitted I should say
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Speaker 2: to attend your workplace and you could face a five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars fine. There's no doubt that it is causing
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Speaker 2: a bit of confusion. I think it'll be fair to
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Speaker 2: say right now with some industries unsure who does need
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Speaker 2: to be vaccinated, who doesn't need to be vaccinated, and
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Speaker 2: what the ramifications could potentially be for them if they
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Speaker 2: do dismiss somebody, will they get done for untfear dismissal.
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Speaker 2: They're just some of the conversations that we've had over
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Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours.
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Speaker 6: Who wants to go I assume Natasha would jump on
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Speaker 6: that one, but yeah, you're right, Katie people. That is
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Speaker 6: certainly some of the feedback people. You know, we were
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Speaker 6: really hoping there'd be a lot more detail in that announcement,
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Speaker 6: and ultimately a lot of employers have got a lot
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Speaker 6: of things they have to do now. They're not really
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Speaker 6: sure about the reporting requirements for the register, they're not
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Speaker 6: really sure if they then have the power to terminate someone.
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Speaker 6: They're not sure what happens in the event that a
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Speaker 6: person perhaps wants to move within the business to a
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Speaker 6: non forward facing role, and whether or not they have
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Speaker 6: to do those types of things.
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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, there's some details.
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Speaker 6: That really need to be nutted out, and they're goun
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Speaker 6: to Government really need to be then providing all of
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Speaker 6: that support, because the last thing we need businesses and
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Speaker 6: people involved and then is a myriad of lawsuits and
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Speaker 6: all sorts of other really difficult complications which had time
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Speaker 6: cost stress to what for some business will already be
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Speaker 6: a very difficult situation.
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Speaker 4: This acknowledges Katie that we're in a global pandemic and
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Speaker 4: it is required for people to be vaccinated. We have
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Speaker 4: currently obligations around work health and safety. For example, if
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Speaker 4: you're serving alcohol, you have to have responsible service of alcohol.
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Speaker 4: If you are dealing with gaming machines, there's a register
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Speaker 4: that you have to be on and authorized to use.
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Speaker 4: So in terms of the detail, we've published the Chow
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Speaker 4: Directions and we will work with businesses, unions, industry groups
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Speaker 4: around the implementation of that. But it is really important
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Speaker 4: and we have pleasingly seen an increase in the number
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Speaker 4: of people booking vaccines since this announcement was made that people,
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Speaker 4: you know, the time has come, you need to get vaccinated.
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Speaker 4: I don't believe can keep the virus out forever. I
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Speaker 4: think everyone has done a fantastic job. It's inevitable it'll come.
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Speaker 4: When we first had the pandemic, we didn't have a
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Speaker 4: tool to keep us safe and we had to put
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Speaker 4: in place a lot of measures. But we now have
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Speaker 4: a vaccine that is the most effective tool to keep
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Speaker 4: the community safe, and we do need to mandate that
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Speaker 4: to protect the most vulnerable in our community.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think to go back to your original question,
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Speaker 7: the easiest way to clear things up if people have
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Speaker 7: confusion is to assume that I think the assumption is
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Speaker 7: that yes, you do need to get vaccinated, and I
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Speaker 7: think everyone should get vaccinated.
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Speaker 5: I think that's the most important message here.
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Speaker 7: I mean, there'll be an issue as to how the
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Speaker 7: government enforces this down the line.
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Speaker 5: I mean, to be honest, what was.
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Speaker 7: Announced this week i'd normally stand, would say, goes against
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Speaker 7: everything that I generally stand for, which is totally against government.
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Speaker 5: Government's telling its citizens what it.
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Speaker 7: Has to do.
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Speaker 5: But I think there's this in this case.
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Speaker 7: I would absolutely make an exception because we're talking about
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Speaker 7: the need to protect all of us really, and the
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Speaker 7: fact is that there is a significant proportion of our
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Speaker 7: population who it appears, are refusing to get vaccinated. Now,
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Speaker 7: I want to get back to a situation where we
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Speaker 7: can travel freely between other jurisdictions, where we can go
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Speaker 7: to Melbourne or Sydney, where we can travel overseas, where
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Speaker 7: we can do all the things that we used to do,
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Speaker 7: and at the moment, fortunately we're not able to do that.
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Speaker 7: So if the alternative, you know, if I've given a choice,
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Speaker 7: it's either mandatory vaccination or it's continued border closure as well.
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Speaker 7: I'm taking mandatory vaccination every time.
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Speaker 8: Canty.
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Speaker 9: There's another issue here that I think the government needs
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Speaker 9: to address and probably not been spoken about, is we
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Speaker 9: know we've got a problem in the Aboriginal communities of
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Speaker 9: the remote communities with a poor and a slow uptake
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Speaker 9: of vaccinations for a variety of reasons. That's not what
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Speaker 9: the issues at this point in time. A lot of
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Speaker 9: those people in those communities work in their support to
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Speaker 9: the school system, one hundred percent support to shire, support
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Speaker 9: to whatever education, even police. Now they may well be
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Speaker 9: some of those people who don't want to get vaccinated
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Speaker 9: for whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: So they're either going to turn up for.
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Speaker 9: Work and be told they have to be vaccinated or
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Speaker 9: suffer five thousand dollars fine each day, as I understand
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Speaker 9: it for not being vaccinated.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure on that view.
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Speaker 9: So some of those community people who don't want to
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Speaker 9: get vaccinated are just not going to turn up for work.
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Speaker 1: So you're going to have.
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Speaker 9: A big, i think potentially a big rollout of people
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Speaker 9: who just are going to stop doing their jobs, go
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Speaker 9: to the next community, gun visit their mates in the
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Speaker 9: homelands or their relatives. So you're going to have a
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Speaker 9: drop in services to Abiginal communities when you're trying, at
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Speaker 9: the most point in time to get the services and get.
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Speaker 2: The vacat something that Jarvistrian actually from the education yesterday.
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Speaker 1: You know, so have they I did hear a bit
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Speaker 1: of him or I've heard you somewhere else.
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Speaker 9: They haven't even spoken to groups like the Javis Rising,
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Speaker 9: the Education Unit, perhaps the nurses union or federation I
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Speaker 9: should sell. So it's fine to say us urban white
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Speaker 9: people in businesses, you know you're going to be mandated.
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Speaker 9: And it's already creating a problem. I've already had yesterday,
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Speaker 9: had day before, three or four people bring me, contact me.
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Speaker 9: They're quite righted what it means for the employment and
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Speaker 9: actually also speaking to some of the employers who I know,
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Speaker 9: one who's got about twenty forty staff, they've got a
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Speaker 9: serious issue because they're going to have to roll out
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Speaker 9: new procedures, new policies because they do a lot of
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Speaker 9: work in remote communities.
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Speaker 1: Now there's a.
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Speaker 9: Strong resistance in some companies from men, young white men
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Speaker 9: against the vaccination. So it's going to have a roll
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Speaker 9: on effect into the business and the delivery of services
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Speaker 9: at a time when we need the best delivery of
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Speaker 9: services to communities.
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Speaker 2: I think it's going to evente like we're going to
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Speaker 2: have to reach a point though here in the Northern
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Speaker 2: Territory and everywhere else in Australia, and I do know
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Speaker 2: that New South Wales has pretty much just said that
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Speaker 2: they're going to allow travelers back in as of well
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Speaker 2: we'll talk a bit more about that in the moment,
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Speaker 2: but they're ready to open for business. It is going
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Speaker 2: to get to a point where we are just going
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Speaker 2: to have to open up, like we cannot stay closed
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Speaker 2: off forever. And I think that you know, this notion
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Speaker 2: that we sort of can is quite a ridiculous one,
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Speaker 2: because we're not going to be able to keep every
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Speaker 2: other state and every other place out forever and require
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Speaker 2: people to do fourteen days of quarantine.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have to open up.
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Speaker 2: So what point do you sort of go, Okay, Well,
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Speaker 2: there's an element of the community who does not want
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Speaker 2: to get vaccinated, but we're forging ahead regardless.
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Speaker 6: I'm really sad by what's happened since March. The vaccine
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Speaker 6: rollout started in March, and of course, you know, it
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Speaker 6: had its hiccups along the way right around the country,
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Speaker 6: but ultimately, you know, I was out in remote communities
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Speaker 6: in central Australia across the Barklay in May, and I
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Speaker 6: came back from that visit really concerned by what people
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Speaker 6: were telling me on the ground, Aboriginal people telling me
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Speaker 6: on the ground their hesitancy and the extraordinarily low vax
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Speaker 6: rates at that time. Now that was three months into
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Speaker 6: the rollout, and I was saying, we've got to be
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Speaker 6: doing more, We've got to be doing something different. This
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Speaker 6: is a huge issue, and that didn't really at that time.
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Speaker 6: I think people had a lot of goodwill for government
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Speaker 6: who just sort of started rolling it out. But you know,
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Speaker 6: if we had have done things differently back then, I
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Speaker 6: don't think we'd be in the situation we are now.
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Speaker 6: We're only twenty seven percent in some communities is the
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Speaker 6: vax rate, and that's led government to have to take
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Speaker 6: very stringent measures, which no one's disputing. But you know,
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Speaker 6: you can't escape the fact that we definitely could have
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Speaker 6: done things better in the bush, and I think that's
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Speaker 6: a big failure of the rollout.
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Speaker 2: I'll take you to a bit of the well, a
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Speaker 2: bit of the discussion that was had throughout that press
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Speaker 2: conference from Hugh Hegey, our chief Health officer, a little
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Speaker 2: bit earlier in the week.
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Speaker 8: Take a listen, this is getting to the point of
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Speaker 8: being serious. We were trending up. Now we're not who's
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Speaker 8: going to take responsibility for the first death in the territory,
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Speaker 8: Who's going to take the responsibility of the first Aboriginal
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Speaker 8: death in the territory. I know some of the influencers
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Speaker 8: and they are from the US anti VAXX lobby and
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Speaker 8: faith organizations. They are using social media, particularly in Aboriginal communities,
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Speaker 8: and they've done this before when we had the measles outbreak.
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Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: That was Hugh Hegee, the Chief Health Officer, a little
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Speaker 2: bit earlier in the week, when handing down or talking
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Speaker 2: about that health direction. You know, he was saying that
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Speaker 2: we have got lobby groups who've gone into you know,
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Speaker 2: anti vax groups who've gone into some of these remote
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Speaker 2: communities and really pushed their own agenda in those remote communities,
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Speaker 2: and that has had an impact not only in the
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Speaker 2: remote communities. So I will say, I'm sure that it's
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Speaker 2: happening right around the place. Matt, you were at that
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Speaker 2: press conference a little bit earlier in the week. What
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Speaker 2: did you make of it all?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think that it's right to say that, you know,
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Speaker 7: we haven't seen those anti vaxes get in to some
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Speaker 7: of the communities. There's no doubt about that there was
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Speaker 7: something else that Hugh Hegy said at that press conference
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Speaker 7: on Wednesday that I thought was irresponsible, to be honest
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Speaker 7: with you. You know, he made a comment saying that
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Speaker 7: we're going to have to turn shipping containers and meet
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Speaker 7: works into mortuary. I mean, I just thought that that
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Speaker 7: was from coming from a chief health officer, that was
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Speaker 7: totally inflammatory, totally inappropriate, absolute scare mongering, and appeared to
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Speaker 7: be the words of someone who was almost desperate to
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Speaker 7: get his name in the paper.
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Speaker 5: I just didn't understand it.
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Speaker 7: I think the last thing we want to do is
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Speaker 7: to put you know, is to absolutely over exaggerate what's
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Speaker 7: happening here.
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Speaker 5: Yes, this is a serious disease.
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Speaker 7: Yes we need to make sure Aboriginal people are protected.
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Speaker 7: But you know, I'd certainly be interested to know whether
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Speaker 7: the government has actual plans to turn the gumble on
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Speaker 7: your meat works into a mortuary.
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Speaker 5: I doubt very much that that is the case.
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Speaker 1: If it's true, or maybe there's meat works at a Bachelor too.
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Speaker 7: But I don't think that, you know, coming out and
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Speaker 7: saying that at a press conference, was that is the
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Speaker 7: right thing to do.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree with Matt, you know that nothing will
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Speaker 9: spook someone more doesn't matter who you are aware you
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Speaker 9: are living than the thought of, you know, multiple deaths
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Speaker 9: within our northern territory. It's just an appalling thing to visualize.
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Speaker 1: And let's let's let's be clear about this.
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Speaker 9: People living in remote and regional communities, they're just as
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Speaker 9: well connected as we are, so they'll know what's been
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Speaker 9: what's being said, you know, by these senior government officials,
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Speaker 9: and to say and look down the camera and say,
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Speaker 9: oh this is serious, well, of course it's bloody serious.
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Speaker 9: It's been bloody serious since it first came into our country.
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Speaker 9: So perhaps should have been having a few more adjectives
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Speaker 9: to describe how serious it is. So the message is
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Speaker 9: really strong, but but but realistic or common sense saying look,
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Speaker 9: look people, this is serious.
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Speaker 1: We need to work together.
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Speaker 9: Governments obviously got to do their bit with their services,
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Speaker 9: the land councils and all those kind of people that
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Speaker 9: work out in the regional parts of our territory to
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Speaker 9: encourage you, if not coerce and you know cojole people
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Speaker 9: to get their vaccination.
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Speaker 1: Now a lot of them have had their first facts yep,
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Speaker 1: but now.
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Speaker 9: They don't have their second vacs, so they're still going
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Speaker 9: to be unprotected, and I think that's what we should
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Speaker 9: be talking about, not the fact that we're going to
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Speaker 9: have bodies stacking up somewhere in the bush.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing.
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Speaker 2: We're trying to encourage people to actually get out there
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Speaker 2: and make sure they get vaccinated. And one of the
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Speaker 2: main things, like from people who are vaccine hesitant, one
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Speaker 2: of the main things that I hear, you know and
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Speaker 2: see on our tech sign on our phone line is
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Speaker 2: you know, talking about the science and they're just not
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Speaker 2: sure whether it has actually gone through rigorous testing like
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Speaker 2: they'd like it to go through.
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Speaker 1: There's an element of.
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Speaker 2: The community who are still there that are not full
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Speaker 2: blown anti vaxxeres, but they're still there in terms of
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Speaker 2: not being one hundred percent sold on why they should
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Speaker 2: get this. What I am trying to wrap my head around,
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Speaker 2: I suppose is in those situations when we are trying
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Speaker 2: to get those people to really get out there and
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Speaker 2: get vaccinated, then we do need to send health professionals
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Speaker 2: out there to do that. We actually need people telling
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Speaker 2: them these facts that they trust. Whether you're talking about
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Speaker 2: in urban Darwin or whether you're talking about in a
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Speaker 2: remote community, people actually need to hear that from health
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Speaker 2: professionals who they trust. They actually, unfortunately to you guys
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Speaker 2: in the room, they don't entirely trust politician.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to hear it from police. Agreeint to
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Speaker 1: the key point there.
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Speaker 4: I was talking to one of the vaccine coordinators.
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Speaker 1: She's a nurse.
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Speaker 4: She's been out traveling the territory's setting up vaccine clinics
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Speaker 4: in our urban areas and it's exactly that. It's about
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Speaker 4: getting them information that they trust from a person they trust.
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Speaker 4: And that's why we have had an enormous amount of
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Speaker 4: work in making sure that we're using people that the
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Speaker 4: community can identify with, that they believe. And you've seen
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Speaker 4: some great success stories and I think we also do
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Speaker 4: need to celebrate those the achievements.
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Speaker 1: I was out at Minjelan, Croker Island yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Handing the clinic back to the local Community Health Service
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Speaker 4: Board and they've got a really high rate of vaccination.
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Speaker 4: And we need to support communities and that's what I've
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Speaker 4: been doing, and it's about working with land councils, working
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Speaker 4: with the Aboriginal medical organizations, putting our best people out
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Speaker 4: in community and those repeat visits that we're talking about
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Speaker 4: making sure it's the same people. You know, all of
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Speaker 4: us in this room have had the privilege of going
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Speaker 4: to remote communities and Aboriginal people are some of the
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Speaker 4: most welcoming and friendly, and you know you'll go back
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Speaker 4: years later and they still remember you. So it's building
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Speaker 4: that trust and making sure that they are getting information
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Speaker 4: that is factual and they understand how important the vaccine is.
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Speaker 6: I think, excuse me, I think though it's an admission.
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Speaker 6: You know, at the press conference that couple of days ago,
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Speaker 6: it's an admission that the government let the anti vaxx
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Speaker 6: movement to whatever you want to call it, these influencers
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Speaker 6: or whoever these people are to come in and get
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Speaker 6: that airtime with people first. And that's why it should
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Speaker 6: have been dealt with so differently from the start. And
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Speaker 6: the government has really failed with this roll that out
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Speaker 6: in the bush because it didn't be as proactive as
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Speaker 6: it should have been. It didn't approach things with a different,
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Speaker 6: more nuanced perspective. It's allowed other voices to come in
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Speaker 6: and now it's backtracking and having to try and undo
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Speaker 6: what's been done, and that's of course very very difficult.
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Speaker 6: Once people have made up their mind it's very hard
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Speaker 6: to undo that. But we could have front footed this
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Speaker 6: and we'd be in a different position today.
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Speaker 2: Look, Matt, you obviously spoke about some of the commentary
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Speaker 2: in that press conference from our chief health officer, But
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Speaker 2: some of the other commentary yesterday which got a lot
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Speaker 2: of people pretty fired up, was the COLP Senator Sam
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Speaker 2: McMahon doubling down on saying that the Northern Territory's vaccine
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Speaker 2: mandate is akin to living in Nazi Germany, after drawing
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Speaker 2: condemnation obviously from her own party. Now we reported on
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Speaker 2: this yesterday morning. Throughout the show, I saw that statement
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Speaker 2: come through, and I thought when I read that line, oh,
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Speaker 2: that's a bit of an interesting thing to draw that
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Speaker 2: comparison to. We then know that she's now spoken again,
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Speaker 2: apparently to the NT News on yesterday AVO and said
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Speaker 2: that her comments weren't offensive because she has a lot
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Speaker 2: of Jewish friends. When asked whether she'd offended the Jewish community,
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Speaker 2: she said, I've not likened this to the Holocaust. All
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Speaker 2: I said was that the totalitarian approach taken by Michael Gunner.
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Speaker 2: People could well think that this is more like Nazi
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Speaker 2: Germany than the Northern territory. She said, it's not disrespectful
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Speaker 2: to anybody. It's nothing to do with the Holocaust.
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Speaker 9: See Katie, what she's done is suck the oxygen out
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Speaker 9: of the serious argument by one emotive sentence. So and
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Speaker 9: it's clouded the issue. And that's what the media has
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Speaker 9: focused in on and perhaps some other groups. And that's
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Speaker 9: regrettable and it shouldn't have happened, and she should know
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Speaker 9: better as a senator and a person of her standing
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Speaker 9: in the community. But I think it should be if
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Speaker 9: she's explained it away, that's her business. But now she's
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Speaker 9: got to step back to the table and help us
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Speaker 9: in the territory and help the government.
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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with politics.
16:57
Speaker 9: This is about human safety and human well being and
17:00
Speaker 9: just get on with it, you know, don't take the
17:02
Speaker 9: oxygen away, don't be a distraction. Try and work with
17:05
Speaker 9: your cohorts, whoever they may be, to get more of
17:08
Speaker 9: us vaccinated.
17:08
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. Get more people vaccinated.
17:11
Speaker 5: That's one hundred percent right.
17:12
Speaker 7: And I think that goes for both sides, because you know,
17:15
Speaker 7: we've also seen the Labor Party in Parliament at the
17:18
Speaker 7: last sitting jumping up and down and screaming and calling
17:20
Speaker 7: the CLP anti vaccines, which they're clearly not. You know,
17:24
Speaker 7: so I think both sides of politics, just like you say, Keys,
17:27
Speaker 7: you need to take that garbage out of the debate,
17:30
Speaker 7: and just like let's.
17:31
Speaker 1: Least and on that point, we did see Bill.
17:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I haven't heard Lea's view on this, but
17:36
Speaker 4: Bill did come out as a shadow health spokesperson earlier
17:38
Speaker 4: this week and not necessarily back in these plans were
17:41
Speaker 4: mandatory vaccines.
17:42
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you've got to add to that, Leada.
17:44
Speaker 3: No, that is not what happened at all.
17:47
Speaker 6: It might have been what was reported, but it's absolutely
17:50
Speaker 6: not what happened. We've supported mandatory vaccines. We had to
17:52
Speaker 6: beg kick and scream to get a half an hour
17:55
Speaker 6: briefing with the Deputy Chief Health Officer, and now we're
17:57
Speaker 6: begkicking and screaming for another briefing on the announcements made
18:01
Speaker 6: two days ago. So we've been very clear we should
18:04
Speaker 6: have be entitled to the best health advice like the
18:06
Speaker 6: government is.
18:07
Speaker 3: People expect us to have a position. You can't have
18:09
Speaker 3: a position without the same advice as a government.
18:11
Speaker 6: So we get these little tiny half hour windows twice
18:14
Speaker 6: a year and we make the most of them, but
18:16
Speaker 6: we've backed in mandatary vags. We've been very critical of
18:19
Speaker 6: the foiled rollout and there's no escaping that. And the
18:21
Speaker 6: stringent measures you've put in place are because of a
18:24
Speaker 6: failed rollout, and you know, you can you can run
18:27
Speaker 6: and hide from that as much as you want, Attasha,
18:29
Speaker 6: it's the truth. But ultimately, you know, we've been very
18:33
Speaker 6: clear and we have all been vaccinated and we have
18:36
Speaker 6: continuously pushed the vax message. What do you think of
18:41
Speaker 6: the senators cormetz LEA, Yeah, I thought they were inappropriate.
18:45
Speaker 6: They're clearly her personal views and not the views supported
18:49
Speaker 6: by the COLP.
18:51
Speaker 3: As a party or as an opposition.
18:53
Speaker 6: But you know, ultimately the announcement was a very stringent
18:58
Speaker 6: one and it's a result of a fouled vaccine roll
19:01
Speaker 6: out in a government that's just not gotten this right.
19:03
Speaker 6: But ultimately, we're at this point now and we have
19:06
Speaker 6: to move forward.
19:07
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll let the territories make up their own mind.
19:10
Speaker 4: But there was clear comments direct quotes in the ant
19:12
Speaker 4: News from the opposition health spokesperson saying that these measures,
19:16
Speaker 4: you know, were draconian and that the COLP had previously
19:19
Speaker 4: backed mandatory vaccination, and when he was asked twice whether
19:22
Speaker 4: he supported mandatory vaccine, he couldn't provide a clear answer.
19:25
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that.
19:27
Speaker 3: Things are misreported, Natasha.
19:29
Speaker 6: I'm telling you very clearly that at that same press conference,
19:31
Speaker 6: Bill Yan said, we've always said we'll support the best
19:34
Speaker 6: health advice. We support the chose best health advice. Whenever
19:38
Speaker 6: in the paper is out of my control.
19:39
Speaker 3: But what is that.
19:40
Speaker 1: For the three categories that are issued under these directions.
19:43
Speaker 3: We've accepted all of it. We've accepted all of it.
19:45
Speaker 3: There's nothing to see.
19:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely play the politics we back in the health advice.
19:52
Speaker 3: It's now time to get on with the job.
19:54
Speaker 2: Well, on that note, we're going to take a very
19:56
Speaker 2: short break, and when we come back, I am keen
19:58
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit more about the home quarantining
20:01
Speaker 2: and the plans in terms of moving forward when it
20:03
Speaker 2: comes to travel, particularly following on from that announcement by
20:07
Speaker 2: Quantas a little bit earlier in the week or towards
20:09
Speaker 2: the end of last week. We'll take a very short break.
20:11
Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix ONEOW four point nine's three
20:13
Speaker 2: sixty is the week that was.
20:16
Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was in.
20:18
Speaker 2: The studio with us this morning of course, Leafinokiro, Matt Cunningham,
20:22
Speaker 2: Keesy Epirica and Natasha Files.
20:24
Speaker 1: Now it has just been announced by the.
20:26
Speaker 2: New South Wales premiere, the New New South Wales Premier,
20:29
Speaker 2: Dominic Pirete, that no quarantine for returning travelers overseas from
20:33
Speaker 2: the first of November. Just one of those tests prior
20:37
Speaker 2: to departure and making sure that you're fully vaxed. So yeah,
20:42
Speaker 2: certainly interesting, particularly on the back of us getting those
20:47
Speaker 2: flights from Darwin to London and learning on Monday in
20:51
Speaker 2: that interview that we'd had with the Chief Minister Michael
20:53
Speaker 2: Gunner that people will still indeed be required to do
20:56
Speaker 2: fourteen days of quarantine out at Howard Springs if they
21:00
Speaker 2: choose to go overseas. You know, he did say that
21:02
Speaker 2: that is going to move towards home quarantining, but you're
21:05
Speaker 2: still looking at fourteen days. It's an awfully long period
21:07
Speaker 2: of time if you want to have a holiday.
21:10
Speaker 4: Kay, Do you think New South Wales is in a
21:11
Speaker 4: very different place to the territory they've had the virus.
21:14
Speaker 4: It's certainly had huge case numbers and we're now seeing
21:17
Speaker 4: tragic case numbers come out of Victoria. The figures yesterday
21:20
Speaker 4: were just horrifying. But we in terms of vaccinating our community,
21:24
Speaker 4: that absolutely is our roadmap to the new normal, and
21:27
Speaker 4: we will of course try and keep the virus out.
21:31
Speaker 4: We have outlined our plans for home quarantining from a
21:34
Speaker 4: domestic you know point of view, with the vaccination rates
21:38
Speaker 4: protecting our community, and I think that you'll see once
21:40
Speaker 4: we get those high rates of vaccination, things will shift.
21:43
Speaker 1: But there was an exciting amounce.
21:45
Speaker 2: Are we talking like shifting to home quarantine for seven
21:48
Speaker 2: days or are we talking a similar situation where it
21:50
Speaker 2: will be like a test and then maybe seventy two hours.
21:53
Speaker 2: Because the fact is, like I get the sense that
21:56
Speaker 2: if we don't move towards being you know, those those
22:00
Speaker 2: quarantining times being a bit you know, a bit shorter,
22:04
Speaker 2: we are going to be left behind when it comes
22:06
Speaker 2: to tourism and travel.
22:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Chief Minister did acknowledge that that in terms
22:11
Speaker 4: of the move to home quarantine and then also looking
22:15
Speaker 4: at those quarantining times and possibly testing regime.
22:17
Speaker 1: So we need to follow the health advice. We are
22:19
Speaker 1: in a unique position.
22:20
Speaker 4: We're in a very different position to New South Wales
22:22
Speaker 4: where we haven't had the virus any community transmission. But
22:26
Speaker 4: the vaccine is such an exciting tool for us to
22:29
Speaker 4: get to that new normal. And I know the vast
22:31
Speaker 4: majority of Territorians have done the right thing, and we
22:33
Speaker 4: need to acknowledge that the tens hundreds of thousands of
22:35
Speaker 4: people that have vaccinated or that have had doses have
22:38
Speaker 4: been delivered and the tens of thousands of people that
22:40
Speaker 4: are vaccinated.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to say.
22:42
Speaker 2: Though, there's lots of Territorians now who are saying, well,
22:44
Speaker 2: I am fully vaccinated. You know, I've had my double dose,
22:47
Speaker 2: so why can't I actually travel and why can't I
22:49
Speaker 2: actually go.
22:50
Speaker 1: And do more? That was what was sort of promised
22:51
Speaker 1: when I got my.
22:52
Speaker 4: Vaccine, and that's what in the announcement earlier this week
22:55
Speaker 4: for fully vaccinated not only Territorians, but if you've got
22:58
Speaker 4: family from Intero State, they can come into the territory
23:01
Speaker 4: and participate in that home quarantine where wass if you're
23:03
Speaker 4: not vaccinated, you won't be welcome in the territory.
23:05
Speaker 7: I think we're seeing with that announcement in New South
23:08
Speaker 7: Wales what's coming and we just can't be left you know,
23:11
Speaker 7: we cannot continue in three months time to be saying
23:16
Speaker 7: you still need to go to Howard Springs or you
23:18
Speaker 7: still need to go into quarantine for fourteen days. If
23:20
Speaker 7: the rest of the country is saying come on in
23:23
Speaker 7: and come on in from overseas. I'll watch a lot
23:25
Speaker 7: of American sport on TV and I love it. And
23:27
Speaker 7: I'm watching at the moment games of college football being
23:30
Speaker 7: played in the United States where their vaccination rates are
23:32
Speaker 7: lower than ours, in front of pack stadiums of eighty
23:35
Speaker 7: thousand people. They have returned to a normal life, and
23:39
Speaker 7: they have done that on the vaccine, but on vaccine
23:42
Speaker 7: rates that are lower than ours. And I think that
23:44
Speaker 7: that's where we are going to get to, and it's
23:47
Speaker 7: going to get to a point where it's kind of
23:49
Speaker 7: your choice.
23:50
Speaker 5: You know.
23:50
Speaker 7: The best protection we have is the vaccine. If you
23:52
Speaker 7: choose not to get vaccinated, well you were taking that risk.
23:55
Speaker 7: But you know, I think that what's happening in New
23:58
Speaker 7: South Wales is what will never have to happen here
24:01
Speaker 7: because we cannot keep our borders closed if the rest
24:04
Speaker 7: of the country's opened up.
24:05
Speaker 2: Well, particularly over that Christmas break, and I think that
24:07
Speaker 2: this is something that a lot of people are wondering
24:09
Speaker 2: right now because there's people planning for their Christmas holidays.
24:12
Speaker 2: They're planning on whether they're going to be able to
24:14
Speaker 2: have family come to visit. And right now, if you
24:17
Speaker 2: have family in New South Wales or Victoria, if they
24:20
Speaker 2: come here for a Christmas break, they're going to need
24:23
Speaker 2: to quarantine at your house or at Howard Springs for
24:27
Speaker 2: two weeks to be able to get here to visit
24:29
Speaker 2: their family, aren't they Coatie.
24:30
Speaker 9: Yes, it's getting this is to use that expression, this
24:34
Speaker 9: is serious. We're getting to a critical point in the
24:36
Speaker 9: whole saga coming up to the Christmas festivity period and
24:40
Speaker 9: the New Year, but more so Christmas, where it's really
24:44
Speaker 9: going to take its toll if families cannot get together
24:46
Speaker 9: in a safe way, or they cannot visit, or they
24:48
Speaker 9: cannot travel, particularly when you've got the young at this
24:51
Speaker 9: age and you've got the grandparents at that age. And
24:53
Speaker 9: I think by early next year we're going to have
24:55
Speaker 9: a serious problem I think within our community when it
24:57
Speaker 9: comes to mental health and well being.
24:59
Speaker 1: So governments have to.
25:00
Speaker 9: Be very very clear about what they travelers can or
25:05
Speaker 9: can't do with we go to New said, New South Wales,
25:08
Speaker 9: you know, and they're an open state. And then we
25:10
Speaker 9: come back to the Northern Territory and the government's socie.
25:12
Speaker 9: Sorry've got to go two weeks in Howard Springs.
25:13
Speaker 1: Like that's just silly.
25:14
Speaker 9: Like I've got the Buddhist monk out at the Cambodian
25:18
Speaker 9: temple at Howard Springs is fully vaccinated. He's had to
25:20
Speaker 9: go back to Sydney for ceremonial reasons to do with
25:23
Speaker 9: the temple down there. Now he's going to come back.
25:25
Speaker 9: He thinks he's okay because he's vaccinated, and he is vaccinated,
25:28
Speaker 9: and he's young, but he's going to have to spend
25:29
Speaker 9: another two weeks in Howard Springs.
25:31
Speaker 1: Now how does that work.
25:32
Speaker 9: He's fully vaccinated, he can prove he's vaccinated, as can
25:35
Speaker 9: many other travelers, and yet he's going to have to
25:37
Speaker 9: come back into Howard Springs.
25:38
Speaker 1: Now something's got to give here.
25:39
Speaker 9: I mean, he's an okay person, he's fine, you know,
25:42
Speaker 9: health and welfare and mentally all that sort of stuff.
25:45
Speaker 9: But a lot of families are going to really struggle
25:47
Speaker 9: coming into Christmas and out of Christmas if they can't
25:49
Speaker 9: see their loved ones. Some people, as we all know,
25:51
Speaker 9: haven't seen each other for like two three years.
25:54
Speaker 1: Well, that takes a big q the nation as well.
25:57
Speaker 2: You know, we'd spoken on Egg yesterday to Steph, a
26:00
Speaker 2: former producer on this show. Her partner is in Newcastle
26:03
Speaker 2: at the moment with their car and caravan. He's not
26:06
Speaker 2: able to drive back because he cannot get through Queenside,
26:09
Speaker 2: you know, like you literally cannot drive through Queenside.
26:12
Speaker 1: If they want to, then.
26:13
Speaker 2: Put those vehicles onto a truck to be transported here
26:17
Speaker 2: and him traveler.
26:18
Speaker 1: He's also got a quarantine. You're looking at close to
26:20
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars for him to be able to come home.
26:23
Speaker 1: He's not alone.
26:23
Speaker 9: There's another little component to this, and that's people who
26:26
Speaker 9: travel with pets. Now, my sister's in Sydney and she's
26:28
Speaker 9: got two dogs with her and she's looking to come
26:30
Speaker 9: home for Christmas and she's happy to quarantine at home
26:32
Speaker 9: or at Howard Springs. But you've got a lot of
26:34
Speaker 9: people driving, and you've got a lot of people who
26:36
Speaker 9: will travel with small pets on aeroplanes or whatever the
26:38
Speaker 9: pets that airplanes take these days. But so we're going
26:41
Speaker 9: to need really clear guidance and criteria.
26:45
Speaker 2: What are the.
26:45
Speaker 9: Rules coming into this very special time for so many people,
26:49
Speaker 9: and it's up to It's not up to us in here,
26:51
Speaker 9: it's up to the government to give these clear directions
26:53
Speaker 9: and that that what's it called the National Cabinet, so
26:57
Speaker 9: that people know if they move around the country and
26:59
Speaker 9: come back to Northern Territory, they're not going to be
27:01
Speaker 9: slugged in a half thousands get stuck in Howard.
27:03
Speaker 7: Springs and you're right, like the National cabin and then
27:06
Speaker 7: they're supposed to be a national national Yeah, you know,
27:11
Speaker 7: he's never going to open up. And how Staga Palichet
27:14
Speaker 7: is about the same. You know, we're sort of caught
27:17
Speaker 7: halfway in between here.
27:19
Speaker 5: You know, it's just.
27:20
Speaker 2: Now one other thing I do want to ask about
27:22
Speaker 2: very quickly. We also had a call yesterday from one
27:24
Speaker 2: of our listeners. Janis now her husband is somebody who
27:28
Speaker 2: has had a transplant.
27:30
Speaker 1: He needs a third JAB.
27:32
Speaker 2: He's been told by his doctor who is actually into state.
27:35
Speaker 2: He's you know, the surgeon into state that he needs
27:38
Speaker 2: to have a third jab, not a booster, but a
27:41
Speaker 2: third jab. But int health as we understand it, I mean,
27:44
Speaker 2: I don't know are they aware, Natasha, are we in
27:47
Speaker 2: a situation here where someone can get a third JAB,
27:50
Speaker 2: because she's called around and tried to get him that
27:53
Speaker 2: third JAB and has not been able to book in anywhere.
27:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie, happy to grab his details and try and
27:58
Speaker 4: work through clinically and get the best clinical advice for
28:01
Speaker 4: that family and that individual. But stepping away from that,
28:03
Speaker 4: this is something that Greg Hunt announced last week around
28:06
Speaker 4: the booster shots. So some people that did receive the
28:09
Speaker 4: vaccine in the first tranch, you know, that was six
28:12
Speaker 4: eight months ago now, and so we do know that
28:15
Speaker 4: booster shots do help keep people safe, and so NT
28:18
Speaker 4: what individuals should do is talk to their GP or
28:21
Speaker 4: talk to their specialist if they are in that type
28:22
Speaker 4: of situation. But NT help is certainly looking at how
28:25
Speaker 4: our clinics we can provide that. We've got a team
28:28
Speaker 4: that's based at the hospital that go around and vaccinate
28:31
Speaker 4: anyone that can comes into the hospital and it's clinically
28:34
Speaker 4: safe for them to do so.
28:35
Speaker 1: But happy to work through that case off.
28:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will do that because she has said it's
28:39
Speaker 2: not a booster they've been told that they actually need
28:41
Speaker 2: that specific third shot.
28:42
Speaker 1: So we might take a very short break because there
28:44
Speaker 1: is still so much to cover.
28:45
Speaker 2: Off on this morning, and I do want to get
28:47
Speaker 2: to well some of these issues that we're still seeing
28:50
Speaker 2: around the place when it comes to youth crime. But
28:51
Speaker 2: some of that data which was released earlier in the
28:54
Speaker 2: week after the opposition put a number of written questions
28:56
Speaker 2: to the Gunner government when it comes to that youth offending,
28:59
Speaker 2: that's coming your way in just a moment on mixed
29:01
Speaker 2: one oh four point nine three sixty. It is the
29:03
Speaker 2: week that was. You are listening to the week that was.
29:06
Speaker 2: It is just eighteen minutes away from ten o'clock now.
29:09
Speaker 2: Earlier in the week, the opposition came out with some
29:12
Speaker 2: numbers they'd put some questions to the government on notice,
29:16
Speaker 2: some written questions in around youth offending and some of
29:19
Speaker 2: those numbers, I think you'd say when it comes to
29:23
Speaker 2: when it comes to bail, and that's certainly questions that
29:25
Speaker 2: we've been speaking about for quite some time. So so, Leah,
29:29
Speaker 2: you had come out and said that these latest figures
29:30
Speaker 2: show a sharp increase in youth offending since the Gunna
29:33
Speaker 2: government's new youth bail laws came into play in May.
29:37
Speaker 2: You'd gone on to say that those written questions submitted
29:39
Speaker 2: through a formal parliamentary process have uncovered that in the
29:43
Speaker 2: two and a half months since Labour's new youth bales commenced,
29:46
Speaker 2: one hundred youths were arrested, which is almost a third
29:49
Speaker 2: of the total number of young people arrested during the
29:52
Speaker 2: twenty twenty to twenty twenty one financial year. Does that
29:56
Speaker 2: actually show that it does work because more people have
29:59
Speaker 2: ever been arrested or No.
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Speaker 6: What it shows is of those one hundred us, sixty
30:03
Speaker 6: two were already on bail at the time of their arrest,
30:06
Speaker 6: and forty four of those sixty two went on to
30:10
Speaker 6: get bailed again. And I just think every territory in
30:15
Speaker 6: listening to that will be thinking in their head that
30:17
Speaker 6: is just not good enough. We saw the government watered
30:21
Speaker 6: down youth justice and bail laws when they first came
30:24
Speaker 6: to power, and then not so long ago they made
30:28
Speaker 6: desperate attempts to try and claw back some ground because
30:30
Speaker 6: it had just led to victimization right across the territory,
30:34
Speaker 6: our police having to respond and just be pushed to
30:37
Speaker 6: the very limits. Now they further waded down their proposals
30:41
Speaker 6: right at the eleventh hour before they passed in Parliament,
30:44
Speaker 6: and what we're seeing now is just the fact that
30:47
Speaker 6: that revolving door of bail is still alive and well
30:50
Speaker 6: and their legislation has completely foiled to hit the mark.
30:53
Speaker 2: Now, I want to make a really clear point today
30:56
Speaker 2: for the people of Alice Springs. We know that it
30:58
Speaker 2: is being reported in the end News that the mother
31:01
Speaker 2: of a man fatally struck an alleged hit and run
31:05
Speaker 2: has called for justice one year on from the tragic
31:08
Speaker 2: loss of her best friend. So Raylen Powell seventy three
31:11
Speaker 2: said that losing her firstborn son was a nightmare that
31:14
Speaker 2: had not left her family twelve months on from that incident.
31:18
Speaker 1: Now it has been one year.
31:20
Speaker 2: So on October fifteen last year, disability support worker Shane
31:24
Speaker 2: Powell was riding his motorbike home from work in Alice
31:28
Speaker 2: Springs when he was hit by an allegedly stolen vehicle
31:31
Speaker 2: at the intersection of Stott Terrace and Telegraph Terrasts. The
31:35
Speaker 2: forty seven year old sustained life threatening injuries and was
31:37
Speaker 2: flown to the Royal Adelaide Hospital in a critical condition. Sadly,
31:42
Speaker 2: he died a week later after a difficult decision was
31:44
Speaker 2: made to switch off his life support. Two nineteen year
31:47
Speaker 2: old men and three youths aged thirteen and fifteen and
31:51
Speaker 2: sixteen at the time were initially charged with that hit
31:54
Speaker 2: and run, causing serious harm and failing to rescue or
31:57
Speaker 2: provide help. The fifteen year old boy was also with
32:00
Speaker 2: entering an intersection against a red light. Some charges have
32:04
Speaker 2: been upgraded, with the matter expected to be heard in
32:06
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Supreme Court next month. I do think
32:09
Speaker 2: that it's really important that you know that we that
32:13
Speaker 2: we acknowledge and certainly you know, I really think of
32:17
Speaker 2: this family at this point in time.
32:19
Speaker 1: It is absolutely tragic.
32:21
Speaker 2: I spoke to Sandy down there in at Ah this morning.
32:24
Speaker 2: He said that it's a pretty solemn day for the
32:26
Speaker 2: people of Alice Springs today remembering that one year on
32:29
Speaker 2: and it is you know, it is a real tragedy
32:31
Speaker 2: that something like this has happened. Even earlier in the week,
32:35
Speaker 2: if you were listening to the show, you would have
32:37
Speaker 2: heard that there was another situation just this week where
32:41
Speaker 2: police alleged that they apprehended and this an ex trail
32:44
Speaker 2: with an eleven year old behind the wheel and several
32:47
Speaker 2: adult passengers in the early hours.
32:48
Speaker 1: Of Wednesday morning. Eleven years old.
32:52
Speaker 2: You know, like I don't know how many times we've
32:53
Speaker 2: spoken on this show about really young people being involved
32:58
Speaker 2: in really really.
32:59
Speaker 1: Dangerous like that is. It's unbelievable.
33:02
Speaker 9: It's young people being involved in very serious crime.
33:07
Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about.
33:09
Speaker 9: This ad nausea in the show and elsewhere, but it's
33:12
Speaker 9: not it's not getting better, I don't believe, and it's
33:15
Speaker 9: not going away. And only I think was earlier this
33:16
Speaker 9: week the I g a supermarket at the cons got
33:19
Speaker 9: broken into again four times time, and I went to
33:22
Speaker 9: seek Shelley again just to give her a hug. But
33:26
Speaker 9: and that that same night there was obviously other places
33:29
Speaker 9: broken in. There was anywhere else, And I said, I
33:32
Speaker 9: said to Shelley at the time, I said, there is
33:34
Speaker 9: a pattern here.
33:35
Speaker 1: There's a circuit that these young people are doing. They
33:37
Speaker 1: know that, they.
33:38
Speaker 9: Know the places that are a little bit off the
33:39
Speaker 9: beaten track. They know they've got bottle shops attack because
33:42
Speaker 9: let's be honest, they're not going in for it for
33:43
Speaker 9: a letter or a punch of tomatoes. They're going in
33:45
Speaker 9: for booze and Siggi's.
33:47
Speaker 1: If there's Siggi's.
33:47
Speaker 9: Available, and there's no there's no repercussions, and rely just
33:51
Speaker 9: pointed out, the majority of these people committing these offenses
33:54
Speaker 9: are out on bail. Bailey is like, baile is something
33:57
Speaker 9: that shouldn't be exploited, which they exploriting. Bailey's you've made it,
34:02
Speaker 9: you've done something serious. Will let you out because you
34:04
Speaker 9: will behave yourself before you come before the courts, and
34:06
Speaker 9: will determine if your first offense was really an offense,
34:09
Speaker 9: et cetera.
34:09
Speaker 1: Et cetera.
34:10
Speaker 9: So I don't know what's failing in this system, but
34:13
Speaker 9: I think government really needs to acknowledge that there is
34:15
Speaker 9: a problem hiding behind all this stuff. We've got diversion
34:18
Speaker 9: programs that we've got this and we've got that. That
34:20
Speaker 9: doesn't cut it with me, and it doesn't cut it
34:21
Speaker 9: with people in the rule Are because I never get
34:24
Speaker 9: any data. I never found out what happened to those
34:26
Speaker 9: punks that shot that horse at Fanny Bay.
34:28
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, they're on diversion.
34:29
Speaker 8: You know.
34:29
Speaker 1: The police can do this, Police can do that. Nothing
34:31
Speaker 1: to do with the police.
34:33
Speaker 9: They work by the rules they're given, they work with
34:34
Speaker 9: the legislation they're given. And in my view and the
34:37
Speaker 9: views of a lot of people out in the rule
34:38
Speaker 9: Are and elsewhere, the rules and the legislation is not
34:41
Speaker 9: tough enough. Because if I don't have an issue with
34:43
Speaker 9: the kid learning to drive at eleven years old, I
34:44
Speaker 9: looked to drive when I was about eight or nine.
34:46
Speaker 1: But that's not the issue.
34:47
Speaker 9: Issue is he's in a car that's not his car exactly.
34:50
Speaker 1: He's putting himself at risk and the people in a
34:52
Speaker 1: stolen car in the community, and.
34:54
Speaker 9: He's putting people like a car could crash into a house.
34:56
Speaker 9: It's happened before in our world. It could crash into
34:58
Speaker 9: a house and take out some kids in a bed.
35:00
Speaker 9: You know, this is just not good enough and the
35:02
Speaker 9: government needs to seriously address it and admit that what
35:04
Speaker 9: they've got at this point of time in the legislation
35:07
Speaker 9: is failing.
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Speaker 4: So, Katie, we've invested significantly in this space. We know
35:11
Speaker 4: that young people that do participate in diversion are more
35:16
Speaker 4: likely to succeed and get them on the right path
35:18
Speaker 4: and to stop that cycle of crime. We have seen
35:20
Speaker 4: since the youth bail laws were amended that we've seen
35:24
Speaker 4: the numbers being repeatd repeatedly arrested has dropped. And we
35:29
Speaker 4: will review this legislation in a period of time. But
35:33
Speaker 4: this is complex work is It is not easy. That
35:35
Speaker 4: doesn't make the issues that we've just been talked about
35:38
Speaker 4: acceptable by any means Like that is, you know, like
35:41
Speaker 4: an eleven year old should be at home in bed
35:45
Speaker 4: and they should be worn out from going to school
35:47
Speaker 4: and participating in sport. But these are complex issues, and
35:50
Speaker 4: I can absolutely assure the community that we're investing in
35:53
Speaker 4: a number of areas so that we've got the resources
35:56
Speaker 4: to try and drive that change and succeed.
35:59
Speaker 3: But in the mean time, people continue to suffer.
36:01
Speaker 6: This points to failure in olcohol policy, It points to
36:04
Speaker 6: failure in child protection, It points to failure.
36:07
Speaker 3: In youth justice.
36:08
Speaker 6: And the people who bear the brunt of all of that,
36:11
Speaker 6: other Territorians out there who are now having to barricade
36:13
Speaker 6: themselves into their homes and into their businesses because the
36:16
Speaker 6: government doesn't want to deal with this issue properly.
36:18
Speaker 4: I find that really offensive. This is grinding, hard work.
36:22
Speaker 4: It's easy to sit in here and throw comments around
36:24
Speaker 4: about a failure in our cool policy of failure here
36:26
Speaker 4: and I won't go into the space of being critical
36:29
Speaker 4: of what the CPDD because everybody knows that was a
36:31
Speaker 4: complete fa.
36:31
Speaker 6: Everyone knows that in twenty one years labour has been
36:35
Speaker 6: for seventeen of the last twenty one years, Natasha, Seventeen
36:38
Speaker 6: of the last twenty one years have been labor. And
36:41
Speaker 6: when the Seale, the Gunner government and you know it,
36:45
Speaker 6: people being victimized at rates that are just horrific. Your
36:49
Speaker 6: solution is to give people money to barricade themselves into
36:52
Speaker 6: their business and into their home instead of deal with
36:55
Speaker 6: the criminals left on the street repeatedly, So.
36:57
Speaker 4: Katie, it's a When the cop came in twenty twelve,
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Speaker 4: one of a huge areas they cut was this space
37:02
Speaker 4: of child protection and youth justice because it's easy to cut.
37:04
Speaker 1: You don't believe in.
37:07
Speaker 2: Everybody listening this morning, they probably don't actually care that
37:10
Speaker 2: much what happened in twenty twelve. What they're worried about
37:12
Speaker 2: is this week that they've been broken into or you know,
37:15
Speaker 2: one year on for this poor mum who's lost her son.
37:18
Speaker 2: But what I think we're going to do that in
37:20
Speaker 2: the back of our minds making it a political thing,
37:22
Speaker 2: Let's make it a help the community thing.
37:24
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but people have to understand it's grinding, hard work.
37:27
Speaker 4: It takes investment over many years, investment in different areas, investment, education,
37:31
Speaker 4: investment in youth justice, investment in child protection, and we
37:34
Speaker 4: are starting to see those child protection figures go down
37:38
Speaker 4: and that's when you have that correlation into youth justice.
37:41
Speaker 4: So it is a complex story to tell in just
37:43
Speaker 4: a few minutes. It's not possible.
37:44
Speaker 2: We are going to take a very short break. You
37:46
Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine. It
37:48
Speaker 2: is the week that was on. Well that number if
37:51
Speaker 2: you want to call through eight nine four one one
37:53
Speaker 2: oh four nine, Well, we are fast running out of time.
37:56
Speaker 2: But before we wrap up for the morning, we know
37:58
Speaker 2: that's the health system. It's something that we've been talking
38:00
Speaker 2: about at length on the show, and modeling for the
38:03
Speaker 2: Australian Medical Association warns that demand pressures on hospitals is
38:08
Speaker 2: going to worsen over the course of the decade and
38:11
Speaker 2: by twenty thirty hospitals will be unable to accommodate one
38:14
Speaker 2: point four million admissions as states ration treatment to prevent
38:19
Speaker 2: rising health costs blowing their budgets. Now, this is obviously
38:22
Speaker 2: a national story, but it says that what it means
38:25
Speaker 2: is that hundreds of thousands of operations, including cancer surgery,
38:28
Speaker 2: may be suspended or canceled in coming years unless current
38:32
Speaker 2: funding formulas that are falling, sorry, that are failing to
38:35
Speaker 2: keep up with the rising demand caused by COVID nineteen,
38:38
Speaker 2: the aging population and chronic diseases are overhauled. Now that's
38:42
Speaker 2: obviously nationally, then you look at an already ailing system
38:46
Speaker 2: here in the Northern Territory and you'd have to be
38:48
Speaker 2: wondering if it's going to be worse for us.
38:51
Speaker 4: So, Katie, funding of our hospital system and our health
38:53
Speaker 4: system is incredibly complex. It's a huge part of the
38:56
Speaker 4: Northern Territory government budget. It's the largest single component, over
38:59
Speaker 4: two billion dollars. We work closely with the Commonwealth and
39:02
Speaker 4: we will continue to do so to make sure that
39:04
Speaker 4: we see the investment and not into only into our
39:07
Speaker 4: acute hospital system, but also making sure that we have
39:10
Speaker 4: that primary health care to stop people from getting chronically
39:13
Speaker 4: ill in the first place.
39:14
Speaker 6: It's really distressing that our health system is in such
39:17
Speaker 6: a profound crisis. I mean, we've had four code yellows
39:20
Speaker 6: this year, two three very close together, and we haven't
39:24
Speaker 6: had the impact of COVID in our community. And yet
39:26
Speaker 6: we're ready to open up and do all of these things,
39:30
Speaker 6: and our health system can't even sustain the territory and
39:32
Speaker 6: what we are now, Like we've had massive cancelations and
39:35
Speaker 6: elective surgeries. I know someone who's had their elective surgery
39:38
Speaker 6: canceled three times.
39:40
Speaker 3: And we asked this in Parliament.
39:42
Speaker 6: We spent two days in Parliament a couple of weeks
39:44
Speaker 6: ago asking VOLUMEUS questions around health to get zero answers.
39:48
Speaker 6: But I need people need to understand elective surgery is
39:51
Speaker 6: not cosmetic or not voluntary necessarily. You know, these are
39:56
Speaker 6: really profound things. They could be for hysterectomies, it could
40:01
Speaker 6: be for knee surgeries, it could be for really serious
40:04
Speaker 6: staff and they're just being blanket canceled because we can't
40:07
Speaker 6: cope and and that's not good enough.
40:09
Speaker 2: Well, and that doesn't even sort of take into account obviously,
40:11
Speaker 2: you know the fact that our emergency wards are busting
40:14
Speaker 2: at the seams, and the fact that the Palmeston Hospital
40:16
Speaker 2: is an operating at capacity.
40:18
Speaker 3: Or scaling.
40:20
Speaker 6: You know, scaling back the idiot Parmestan hospital. That's such
40:23
Speaker 6: an important facility.
40:25
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean, we suffer some very strange injuries out
40:28
Speaker 9: there in the.
40:28
Speaker 5: Room to.
40:33
Speaker 10: Chainsaws and barbed wire and fishing boats, fishing ride, but
40:37
Speaker 10: it concerns me that our hospitals are at capacity, if
40:40
Speaker 10: not overflowing, because when we have a serious issue, I
40:43
Speaker 10: don't know sadly, whether it be a car accident or
40:45
Speaker 10: a multiple fatality, for whatever reason.
40:47
Speaker 9: That you know there's going to be maybe they're not
40:49
Speaker 9: going to be in a position where they get the
40:51
Speaker 9: best count attention because the staff at the hospitals are
40:53
Speaker 9: so flat out and perhaps over worked overtide. So I
40:57
Speaker 9: don't know what the answer is, but I just believe
40:59
Speaker 9: that the government needs to address this health issue as
41:01
Speaker 9: a number one priority along with Crimeely.
41:04
Speaker 6: We've got ramping of ambulances at emergency at Royal Dalen Hospital,
41:08
Speaker 6: I mean shocking, shocking.
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Speaker 2: Well, we are going to have to wrap up for
41:12
Speaker 2: this morning. Lea Fanocchiaro, the opposition leader, thank you so
41:15
Speaker 2: much for your time today.
41:16
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me come and catch me down at
41:18
Speaker 6: Palmo Markets tonight.
41:19
Speaker 3: They're nearly all over into the month, so getting while.
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Speaker 2: You can sounds good. Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank
41:23
Speaker 2: you for your time this morning. Thanks Keezier Puric, thank
41:26
Speaker 2: you for your time this morning, my.
41:28
Speaker 1: Pleasure, and also cut A Liner Markets.
41:29
Speaker 2: They are all the Health Minister has just ducked out,
41:34
Speaker 2: but a big thanks to her as well for joining
41:36
Speaker 2: us this morning.
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Speaker 1: That was the week that was a mixed MOEOW four
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Speaker 1: point nine