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‘Tech Tuesday’ with Mike Dobuski | Drunk Airplane Passengers · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning, November twenty five, day after tomorrow Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 1: the holiday that is by far the most favorite holiday
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  Speaker 1: in the United States. Everybody loves it being with family.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going with my kids and I'm responsible for
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  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day and it's going to be at a deli
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not kidding you. It's just easier, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: walk into a deli and it happens to be We're
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to do the dishes. They do the turkey,
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  Speaker 1: They do it all and it's terrific. All right. Mike Dubuski,
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  Speaker 1: it is Tech Tuesday, ABC Technology Reporter and he's at
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  Speaker 1: Michael Dobuski. That's the the Uski. Mike, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: joining us. Always appreciated.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is Okay Trump, I love this EO on AI. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you want to explain that because there's actually a story.
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  Speaker 2: There there there is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, EO is executive order and AI is of course
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  Speaker 3: artificial intelligence, which we just can't seem to get away
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  Speaker 3: from in the tech sector at this point. Two major
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  Speaker 3: executive orders kind of in the mix here in the
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  Speaker 3: Trump administration this week. Yesterday, on Monday, the Trump administration
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  Speaker 3: signed what they call Project Genesis, which is basically an
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  Speaker 3: executive order designed to spur the use of generative artificial
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  Speaker 3: intelligence in scientific research. In fact, it directs the Department
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  Speaker 3: of Energy to actually build its own AI platform fed
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  Speaker 3: by data collected by the federal government that academics can
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  Speaker 3: use in their research. So it's another tool in their
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  Speaker 3: toolbox that was signed by the President on Monday, but
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  Speaker 3: the bigger executive order could very well come later this week,
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  Speaker 3: and this has been generating a lot of conversation in
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  Speaker 3: Washington to the Trump administrations reportedly considering this EO that
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  Speaker 3: would put a halt to AI legislation at the state level.
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  Speaker 3: The Trump administration the goal here, says, the goal here
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  Speaker 3: is to make it easier for AI companies to develop
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  Speaker 3: this technology a mid what they see as a global
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  Speaker 3: race for AI supremacy. They say that clearing the field
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  Speaker 3: of a patchwork of AI legislation at the state level
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  Speaker 3: and in favor of sort of forthcoming AI legislation at
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  Speaker 3: the federal level will make it a lot easier for
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  Speaker 3: companies like open AI and Google and Anthropic to navigate
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  Speaker 3: as they build large language models to be competitive with
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  Speaker 3: specifically China.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let me let me ask this. Okay, we
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  Speaker 1: know that the denial of money to universities for medical research,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, that is a political move. I mean, no
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  Speaker 1: one disagrees, whether you're one side or the other, no
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  Speaker 1: one disagrees that that the basis of that policy is political.
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  Speaker 1: Moving over to this executive order, can this is this political?
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  Speaker 1: Does it have any political overtones?
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  Speaker 2: Which one are we talking about? The one that's already
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  Speaker 2: been signed or the one that has not been signed
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  Speaker 2: yet both both?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think you know, anything that comes
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  Speaker 3: from really any presidential administration is by nature political. The
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  Speaker 3: one to sort of spur scientific research, you know, seems
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  Speaker 3: pretty standard. It doesn't seem to be generating a ton
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  Speaker 3: of controversy out there. But certainly the one that you
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  Speaker 3: know is forthcoming that reportedly, you know, the Trump administration
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  Speaker 3: is working on to curtail state level AI legislation is
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  Speaker 3: really generating some some heated political back and forth, and
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  Speaker 3: interestingly enough, it comes from both sides of the aisle.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of the Trump administration against state governments. For example,
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  Speaker 3: we've seen Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, the Republican, of course,
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  Speaker 3: ran again to President Trump in the Republican primary last cycle.
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  Speaker 3: He called this move federal government overreach that would stop
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  Speaker 3: state's ability to protect against what he calls predatory applications
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  Speaker 3: the target children. And of course Democratic Senator Ed Marky
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  Speaker 3: says this move would amount to President Trump siding with
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  Speaker 3: his billionaire buddies.
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  Speaker 2: In Silicon Valley. There have also been.
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  Speaker 3: Several high profile letters to Congress aimed at raising the
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  Speaker 3: alarm about this forthcoming executive order. The Leadership Conference Center
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  Speaker 3: for Civil Rights and Technology says this gives corporations a
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  Speaker 3: free pass rather than protecting the people it's meant to serve.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, there is some reporting out there, namely
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  Speaker 3: from Reuters, which indicates that this might actually be working
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  Speaker 3: on the Trump administration, then reporting that they might be
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  Speaker 3: adjusting their timeline. We originally thought that this order was
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  Speaker 3: going to be signed this week. That might be sliding somewhat.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, Bill, let's not forget earlier this year
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  Speaker 3: during the passage of the defenble to some of the
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  Speaker 3: risks associated with AI. It's going to be really interesting
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  Speaker 3: to see how this plays out because the Trump administration
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  Speaker 3: needs bound both the sort of national and global race
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  Speaker 3: for AI with a lot of the Satan concerns inherent
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  Speaker 3: to this technology.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, we're talking about what the Trump administration. What Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump did was sign on to well sign an executive
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  Speaker 1: order on taking AI and wants to take it federally
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the laws. Now, having been in reproductive law,
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  Speaker 1: my entire legal career was third party reproductive law. The
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  Speaker 1: technology was always miles ahead of the law. The law
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  Speaker 1: never keeps up with the technology. How aggressive are the
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  Speaker 1: states and the federal government and going after controlling this.
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  Speaker 3: Again, it really does seem to be a state effort.
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  Speaker 2: At this point.
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  Speaker 3: There is no federal regulation governing the use or deployment
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  Speaker 3: of AI. That is really what spurred a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these states, among them California, Colorado, Utah, Texas to pass
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  Speaker 3: legis at their level. So, yeah, you're absolutely right to
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  Speaker 3: say that the pace of technological development does outpace the
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  Speaker 3: level at which we can pass you know, substantive laws.
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  Speaker 3: But it does seem like we're at a stage now
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  Speaker 3: where there's this real consideration among lawmakers as to who's
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  Speaker 3: going to go about this, right, if not Congress, Well,
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  Speaker 3: certain states want some protections in place, And just to
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  Speaker 3: give you a little overview of what those laws look like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in California, you guys have passed laws AI
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  Speaker 3: legislation aimed at limiting the collection of personal data from
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  Speaker 3: AI companies, forcing AI companies to be more transparent with
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  Speaker 3: the data they do collect. Of course, that's very relevant
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  Speaker 3: given how many tech companies are based in California, but
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  Speaker 3: we've also seen that, as we said, in Colorado, Utah,
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  Speaker 3: Texas other states beyond that have passed regulations around using
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  Speaker 3: AI to generate deep fakes of political figures and using
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  Speaker 3: AI to create non consensual pornography. So it really does
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  Speaker 3: cover a broad remit. But if this executive order does
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  Speaker 3: go into effect, this would be basically clean the slate
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  Speaker 3: white table in uh, you know, anticipation of some future
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  Speaker 3: federal regulation to come.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And one last question about that, and that is is
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  Speaker 1: this front front burner stuff for the states that they're
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  Speaker 1: viewing this as absolutely critical and we have to do
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  Speaker 1: it now, I would say increasingly.
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  Speaker 2: So, Yeah, absolutely given.
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  Speaker 3: You know how many stories have been emerging about you know,
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  Speaker 3: AI going wrong for people. You know this it's an
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  Speaker 3: unfortunate story, but you know many people have you know,
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  Speaker 3: become obsessed with many of these chatbots. They are in
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  Speaker 3: some small way designed to you know, uh, support your
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  Speaker 3: thinking and to keep you using them. That is true
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  Speaker 3: of not to this DAI platforms, many tech platforms as well.
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  Speaker 3: People have even you know, cut off communication with their families,
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  Speaker 3: gone missing and in some extreme cases actually taken their
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  Speaker 3: own lives and the lives of others. And that really
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  Speaker 3: does get the attention of lawmakers, you know, who say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we got to do something. You know, the federal government's
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  Speaker 3: not going to we at state level will all right?
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  Speaker 1: Switching gears. Story about the genesis of an X account,
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  Speaker 1: where's your ex account coming from? This broke? And this
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  Speaker 1: actually turns out to be a huge political issue on
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  Speaker 1: top of everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 3: And this new feature that X rolled out over the weekend,
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  Speaker 3: the company said, is designed to provide more transparency into
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  Speaker 3: people's accounts basically, so you know who you're interacting with online.
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  Speaker 3: They've gone about this in a couple different ways. You've
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  Speaker 3: already been able to see when someone signed up for
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  Speaker 3: the platform. It tells you kind of what date they
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  Speaker 3: joined or the general time period in which they joined.
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  Speaker 3: You can now see how many times a given account
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  Speaker 3: has changed their username, which could be interesting. But the
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  Speaker 3: big example is that it will now show where that
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  Speaker 3: account is based. And the really big thing that's been
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  Speaker 3: happening as a result of this feature is that some
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  Speaker 3: people have been discovering that the accounts they've been following,
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  Speaker 3: specifically the ones that cover politics, actually originate from outside
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  Speaker 3: of the United States. Just some examples here. There's one
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  Speaker 3: coount with over two hundred thousand followers last week called
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  Speaker 3: American Voice. It posted, you know, updates about the news
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  Speaker 3: and you know, various sort of you know, tweets and
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  Speaker 3: posts about what was going on in American politics. After
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  Speaker 3: this update rolled out, followers found it was being run
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  Speaker 3: from somewhere in South Asia, and now that account has
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  Speaker 3: been deleted. There was another account that posted about President
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  Speaker 3: Trump's daughter, just news items about Avanka Trump that according
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  Speaker 3: to this feature, that account is actually based in Nigeria,
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  Speaker 3: and an account called Abujama Gaza that, according to this
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  Speaker 3: account's profile, is a Gaza based journalist covering the war.
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  Speaker 3: According to this feature, it's actually based in Poland. So
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  Speaker 3: it really does underscore how the information environment on access
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  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more complex than we initially thought.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so one quick question before I bail. In terms
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  Speaker 1: of the political side of this, are these X accounts
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  Speaker 1: more conservative, more liberal, more conspiracy theorists, or is across
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  Speaker 1: the board.
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  Speaker 3: So we don't have a ton of hard numbers on this,
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  Speaker 3: but it is worth saying that these accounts do come
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  Speaker 3: from both sides of the aisle. They are not exclusively
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  Speaker 3: political accounts. Sometimes they're just accounts to post sort of
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  Speaker 3: viral content or content that goes wide on that platform.
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  Speaker 2: The bigger picture here really.
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  Speaker 3: Is that since Elon Musk took over the platform, there's
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  Speaker 3: been really an intense effort to monetize viral posts. So
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  Speaker 3: if you post something that a lot of people like
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  Speaker 3: or reshare, you can make a couple bucks off that,
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  Speaker 3: And to you or me, that's just a couple bucks,
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  Speaker 3: it's not really that much, but in developing countries specifically,
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  Speaker 3: that can actually amount to quite a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: So there's this incentive structure at X to create viral content.
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  Speaker 3: I think the reason that we're talking about in the
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  Speaker 3: context of politics, is that when you post something about
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  Speaker 3: politics on social media, generally speaking, that does get a
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  Speaker 3: lot of engagement, not always get good engagement, but any
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  Speaker 3: engagement does equal dollars. And I think that's exactly why
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing this happen right now.
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  Speaker 1: Is Musk making money on X? I know you overpaid
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  Speaker 1: for it ridiculously, but has it turned out and monetize
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  Speaker 1: enough to where at least is not burning through money.
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  Speaker 3: It's an interesting question. Again, we don't have a ton
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  Speaker 3: of insight into his personal finances when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: this company, although you're correct to say that he did
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  Speaker 3: overpay by quite a hefty margin the tens of billions
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to purchasing this platform back in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: But another sort.
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  Speaker 3: Of interesting data point that people might not be paying
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  Speaker 3: attention to is that despite the fact that we talked
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  Speaker 3: about how the changes that Elon Musk made to X
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  Speaker 3: drove this exodus from the platform, a lot of people stopping,
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  Speaker 3: you know, using that platform because they didn't agree with
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  Speaker 3: the policies of Elon Musk, a lot of advertisers leaving,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of those advertisers have actually come back in
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  Speaker 3: the years since, and a recent Pew survey found that
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  Speaker 3: more than one in five Americans still use x formerly Twitter,
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  Speaker 3: while the competitors that we talk about a lot, things
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  Speaker 3: like Threads and Blue Sky, they remain comparatively bit.
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  Speaker 2: Players in this space.
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  Speaker 3: So despite all the talk about it, they do remain
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  Speaker 3: a pretty hefty, you know, force in the world of
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  Speaker 3: social media.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, thank you, We'll talk again. Always great stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: have a good day YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Take it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving. That's what you're supposed to say, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they tell me now. Drunk airline passengers, Right,
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  Speaker 1: We've all experienced someone drunk on an airplane, every one
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  Speaker 1: of us. And I've always wondered why no one takes
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  Speaker 1: it that seriously. University of Texas at Dallas criminality professor
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  Speaker 1: A Lynn Vieriitis analyze year's worth of in flight passenger
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  Speaker 1: incidents and here's what she found. She went through sixteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred complaints by the way file with the Aviation Safety
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  Speaker 1: Reporting System and broke down reports about passengers and in
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  Speaker 1: different categories verbal abuse, physical abuse, physical violence, sexual harassment.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what she gets into. People getting into fights,
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  Speaker 1: are aging with each other, not putting luggage away, not
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  Speaker 1: listening to directions. Alcohol, sexual assault, and the harassment. Alcohol
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  Speaker 1: the overwhelming thing reported in all of these narratives. Alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: People get drunk on airplanes and these flight attendants have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with it. Now, I have a question, you
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  Speaker 1: know what they do. Have you ever seen have you
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  Speaker 1: ever been on an airplane when someone has taken off
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  Speaker 1: the plane and I have who is drunk? And you
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  Speaker 1: see this all the time on the news, So someone
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  Speaker 1: is plastered right the plane diverts because someone is unruly,
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  Speaker 1: local police pick them up and then take haul them
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  Speaker 1: away and do whatever they can. You know, it is
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  Speaker 1: a federal crime to interfere with the flight crew. It's
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  Speaker 1: a federal offense up to twenty years in prison and
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  Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine, and they
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  Speaker 1: never use that. You want a safe airplane when the
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  Speaker 1: flight crew goes, here's how the seat belt works, as
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  Speaker 1: if we're all completing morons and we don't know how
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  Speaker 1: a seat belt works. And you click it here and
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  Speaker 1: you unhook it there, and then uh, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: point out the exits always with two fingers and both arms.
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  Speaker 1: You ever noticed that and telling you where the exits
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  Speaker 1: are well, and they tell you you can't smoke in
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  Speaker 1: the lavatories. Why wouldn't they add? And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: if you interfere with the flight crew, it's twenty years
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  Speaker 1: in prison and two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and
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  Speaker 1: have the FBI haul them off? Have the federal authorities
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  Speaker 1: have It's not like they're gonna run, No, they're they're
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  Speaker 1: on the airplane, the plane lands, and as a matter
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  Speaker 1: of fact, I've been there where the pilot has said everybody,
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  Speaker 1: please remain seated while we deal with an unruly PA.
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  Speaker 1: They don't do that. But is it just about the
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  Speaker 1: effect that they're making money from here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: It is. No, there's no question they're making a ton
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  Speaker 1: of money with alcohol, but so do restaurants. Certainly bars do.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is you're at thirty thousand feet, so how
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  Speaker 1: do you kick someone off an airplane? The point is
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  Speaker 1: that is dangerous for these people to interfere with the
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  Speaker 1: flight crew. I mean the flight crew primarily is there
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  Speaker 1: while they serve drinks and they serve food, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: they sell you watches over priced watches and stuff. They're
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  Speaker 1: there where they're trained is for safety. That's what it's
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  Speaker 1: about and interfering with them under any circumstances. I've never
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  Speaker 1: understood why local police haul people off. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: get it. And there I don't know if anybody has
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  Speaker 1: been hit with a and maybe we can look this up.
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  Speaker 1: Has there ever been a drunk passenger hit with the
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  Speaker 1: maximum of twenty years in prison in a two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars fine for interfering with a flight crew.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be a pretty serious interference.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, there are people that have to be
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  Speaker 1: zip tied now, trying to open the door mid flight,
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  Speaker 1: assaulting people, you know, getting into fights, getting into fights,
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  Speaker 1: kicking steward eye around. Okay, we're done with that now.
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  Speaker 1: There is a survey survey says it was a survey
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  Speaker 1: according to the American Family Survey, the moving this for
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  Speaker 1: eleven years already. And one of the questions asked is
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  Speaker 1: what do you think raising children is about financially? And
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  Speaker 1: most Americans think it's unaffordable, that's all. That's it. Finances
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  Speaker 1: the major factor in determining family size or even having
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  Speaker 1: a family. Seven to ten responds they believe raising kids
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  Speaker 1: is too expensive, which is a thirteen point percentage point
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  Speaker 1: jump from last year. Yeah, and as the first time
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  Speaker 1: in the eleven year run that finances were the top
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  Speaker 1: reason they capped or planned to cap the size of
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  Speaker 1: their family twice as often as any other factor. And
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  Speaker 1: why is that? What simply mirrors the cost of living?
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  Speaker 1: It is just so expensive to live. How many people
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  Speaker 1: have had kids and diapers? The cost of pampers or
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  Speaker 1: something close to that. Look it up, thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 1: of dollars just for the pampers, much less everything else,
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  Speaker 1: cost of babysitters over the years. I mean, it's just
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  Speaker 1: insanely expensive, and it's costing us. It's costing us in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the number of people we have, in terms
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  Speaker 1: of our demographics, in terms of our population increase. And
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  Speaker 1: the only reason that our population in the United States
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  Speaker 1: is either flat or increasing by a hair is immigration.
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  Speaker 1: Let's it straight out, immigration, both legal and illegal. And
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  Speaker 1: why Well, because people aren't women aren't having kids. The
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  Speaker 1: average now is one point six kids per woman. You
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  Speaker 1: need two point one kids to maintain the population. It
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  Speaker 1: just isn't making any sense. The numbers just don't go
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  Speaker 1: in the right direction. Now, there is something called a
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  Speaker 1: natalist philosophy which simply says more kids. JD. Fans is
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  Speaker 1: a big one on this. We need more kids, I
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  Speaker 1: guess to an extent, he's right. The problem is we
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  Speaker 1: have to afford more kids. And how do you do that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: for example, New Mexico, there's a pilot program it offers
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  Speaker 1: free childcare regardless of income. Oh and how much is childcare?
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  Speaker 1: How many people where one of the spouses simply doesn't
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  Speaker 1: work gives up a career to stay home with the child,
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  Speaker 1: not because they love being at home parents or love
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  Speaker 1: at home learning at home schooling. It's because childcare is
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  Speaker 1: so expensive they simply can't afford it. And you know
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  Speaker 1: my kids, I mean, God bless them. Do I love
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  Speaker 1: my kids? Yeah? Absolutely? Would I have them again? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I would because I really love my kids. Although I
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  Speaker 1: have to tell you, as you know, I am pro
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  Speaker 1: choice and have been fanatically so for many, many years.
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  Speaker 1: And when my kids were born, I had people in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: my life say, Bill, you're gonna think very differently about
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: your position of being pro choice when your kids are
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  Speaker 1: were born or are to be born. And I said, yep,
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  Speaker 1: and I became more pro choice, But that was only
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  Speaker 1: for the money part of it. Okay, the rest of it.
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  Speaker 1: Love my kids, love the credit cards. They love my
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  Speaker 1: credit cards being used by my kids, Love taking them
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  Speaker 1: on vacation, Love them to death. What if pro choice
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  Speaker 1: was the choice of everybody else, Like we looked at
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  Speaker 1: the parents and go, nah, we don't want them to
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  Speaker 1: We don't want them to spawn. Oh yes, spawn, thank
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: you very much. You know there actually should be of course,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: never going to happen, because you're talking fundamental constitutional rights.
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  Speaker 1: But I would love to see licensing that you go
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  Speaker 1: in front of a board to get a license to
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  Speaker 1: raise kids, to have kids. You know how many of
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  Speaker 1: us would just go, ah, ain't gonna happen. You know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: it's like getting a what do you call it, a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: barber's license? A haircutting license? Right, you need fifteen hundred
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: hours to be able to cut hair. That's licensing, not
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: for having kids. I don't get it. All right, We're done, guys.
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