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- speaker-0: Hey everyone, welcome back to another edition of AGT time. The next host eliminated from the podcast. speaker-1: This was Tyra's elimination episode, that's right elimination episode she was also limited ⁓ Yeah, we are back great to be here. We are back For another early bird special. of the AGT time pod No, Lavazza, I don't have any coffee right now. I'm working on a fresca. That'll be this morning's juice 9 a.m. Local for me 10 a.m. Local for Cody so ⁓ speaker-0: You your alivazza? speaker-1: We're here a little morning, little morning pod. If the voice sounds like it's still waking up a little bit. haven't talked at all today. ⁓ It's kind of weird starting your entire day with a two and a half, two hours straight of talking. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, this is kind of my day. mean, this is what I do. So, yeah, I have early morning, not early, but I have morning meetings and so. speaker-1: Yeah, for work. Right. Right, but it's not recorded to be put out on... They are right. be put out for consumption by the public. no, it's great to be here. We are here for Season 13 Rewatch, Episode 10, the finals. The finals, yes. We made it. And it doesn't feel like a we made it. speaker-0: Some of those are recorded, but yeah. That's been a fun ride. speaker-1: Yeah, this has been an easy 10 weeks. This has not been like, ⁓ we're not, it doesn't feel like we're at the end of a marathon trying to find our last juice. I love this. This was a spectacular episode of America's Got Talent. Let's tell people where to find us. And then we got all sorts of stuff to do. speaker-0: sing find us on our socials at a GT time pod, can email us a GT time pod at gmail.com. And don't forget, you can check out our updated website, our new website, a GT time pod.com. It's got all the pods out there. It's got the Hall of Fame. You can read about the Hall of Fame and listen to little clips. We're gonna be growing it. It's gonna have some more stuff. But that's it's a nice little website we got right. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. You had some, we just had the NFL draft first two nights. It's recording this the Saturday. It'll be the last round today. Yeah. So we're a week behind. So this will be a little outdated, but ⁓ your Cowboys made some moves. speaker-0: They did, you know, to be honest, I didn't keep up much with the NFL draft, but my one thought just kind of as being draft weekend, I've done a fantasy draft, like an auction draft. And I was curious, like, what if the NFL draft went to an auction? speaker-1: It's funny you mention this. This has been an idea I've thrown around about the NBA. Okay. To address tanking concerns. The NFL, which would be, it would be fascinating. speaker-0: Exciting would it be more like for the viewers like people get on edge of their seats. Yeah speaker-1: The NFL doesn't have the same issue the NBA has, where I think you do, my pitch that I had kind of made with the NBA was what you use is a stipend of money that they get combined with if you have salary cap space. So if you have, if you have salary cap, you can use that in the auction draft, but everybody at least has 10 million to use in the auction draft. But if you have, if you have 15 million salary cap, well, then you start the draft with 25 million. got to leg up and you might have the You might've been in a sixth seed in the playoffs, but you just got enough money to go buy the first pick. Would be, can you imagine as a fan and you're sitting there and you know, your team's got like 16 million to play with and they're just not, they're not bidding on the third pick. Yeah. No, it's, it's fat. It's, it's great. It's amazing that you had that. Cause I've, I've had that idea for the NBA. ⁓ I, it would be very fun, but yeah, no, it would be. speaker-0: Just like, speaker-1: I love an auction draft. Yes. It's hard to do with like most fantasy leagues I'm in is with half the people are serious fantasy players and half the people are there because they work there or they're in the family. So you can't, have to have a full group of 10 or 12 fantasy people to do an auction draft. So I just never really a part of them, but they are fun. There's a real, it's so much more strategy, which makes it fun. But I like this Cody. Let's, let's send it to Goodell. Send an email. Yeah. Can we. speaker-0: I just think from a viewership, like the fans would be on the edge of their seats. They'd be so excited about it. Cause you're right. Like they'd be like, what are we doing? Okay. Bed guys, come on. Come on. Jerry, what are you doing? Come on, bed. speaker-1: Are you bidding for the pick or are you bidding for a player? speaker-0: For the player. the way we've done it is we'll, we still do, we have a draft order and then someone will throw a player out and then you. speaker-1: Here's my thought though. Yeah. Is you should just in the, in a, in like a, a rookie draft like this, it should be, all right, the first picks up for bid. Okay. And then you go grab it and then you take whichever player you want. Sure. Because who knows how many, who all is going to, like, you don't want to, ⁓ where does it, right. speaker-0: They're like, well, we don't need a quarterback. Yeah, someone throws out a quarterback sounds like we don't need a quarterback. So we're in on that. okay. speaker-1: So you're bidding on the pick. Okay, fair. So like there's a ton of value. So then like the 31st pick pops up and it's like two million. Boom. Got it. I got the 31st pick. Yeah. No, I think it would be in a bizarro world ⁓ would be very fun. Anything else we have non-finals of season 13 related? speaker-0: No, by the time this comes out, season 21 right around the corner, speaker-1: Yeah. So this is, if you're listening to this, the day it drops, it's May 7th right now, which gives us three more pods for the off season. Yeah. We're, we're down to less than a month as people are listening to this. it's exciting. It's, ⁓ I would say some of the fascinating, like season 20 had some really fascinating acts. really enjoyed it. There was some fun jockeying as the season went. outside of maybe the first place. So I got a real juice for this. I've got some rejuvenation for AGT that I kind of lost in the late teens seasons. So I'm looking forward to season 21. But should we get into some finals here? We got a lot to talk about. speaker-0: Let's crown a winner. Let's crown a winner. speaker-1: Let's crown a winner. ⁓ we start, what'd you think of this? So they opened the episode and Tyra does her classic walkout, right? That she always does. they, they walked, she walked accompanied by the 10 acts. What did you, did you catch that in the opener? speaker-0: Yeah, the acts were there on the stage with her during kind of her here. like I don't know if I'm a fan of that speaker-1: Yeah, no, I was like, it looked like a gang, like walking out, they ⁓ were gonna fight in Anchorman or something. But yeah, I was like, that was different. But then, why are we doing a season recap to open the episode? speaker-0: Let's just start the episode. talked about semifinals one and two, then we just got right into it. Let's just do it. speaker-1: This was a fluffless season for nine weeks. Yeah. And all of sudden it, did you, did you notice that the time in the episode before Brian King Joseph's performance started? You want to guess how many minutes? Nine minutes and 17 seconds. Yeah, that's too long. How did we, how did we just abandon the lack of fluff? What do we, get there's one less than the semis, but there wasn't nine minutes and 17 seconds less of performances to give them some more time. I never, I didn't. speaker-0: All right, nah, missed it. 10 minutes. Give them more time to perform. speaker-1: Well, we, we, the, performances felt long enough where we got snipped on time was judge comments. Yeah. It was the bigger issue. I never, there was no performance where I felt like they were short on time, but we don't hear Howie in any, both of the comedians stuff. They rushed multiple times. Simon was finishing a thought and Tyra just started throwing it to commercial because we were behind. Like, what are we doing? speaker-0: That was the biggest thing I noticed about this episode is that we were short on time for judge comments. was, there was times like we finally got to Howie, I think on Vicki Barbalak of he just had to rush through it, but there were acts we only heard from maybe three judges and I thought it was ridiculous. speaker-1: It was because there was no reason that they should ever have been rushed. We did a four and a half minute recap of the season showing auditions of acts that didn't even make the live shows. Exactly. This was shocking. ⁓ Simon said it's the most open final ever. As in the most who knows who's going to win. Ever is really hard. can't even quantify. It's unquantifiable and I can't remember. speaker-0: You do that in the results. speaker-1: the mood of every season. speaker-0: in 13 seasons. Yeah, I mean, but saying there was probably really only three or possibly four that had a chance. This episode, speaker-1: It might have been. I'm not going say he's wrong. in this episode, which is still a good amount. that is a pretty open final. Yes. I think especially if you're them, you just came off of two very closed finals. Yes. You knew Vanderwall was winning an 11 and you knew Darcy Lynn was winning 12. So I think there was just a little bit of like, this is exciting. It could be, it could be Shin Lam. It could be Brian King Joseph. It could be Zercherow. I still think they all kind of were sitting there being like, think Courtney Hadwin's still in the race. Like, ⁓ and I think I tried to, as I kind of evaluated the episode and especially some of the jockeying for position and who, who was kind of where and where I would rank these acts. I was trying to do my best to kind of either put myself in 2018 or put this season in a summer right now where we would be talking about it on the pod. And I do think like if you, me and Ryan were doing our Rye Analytics Sunday night, project, projecting what's going to happen on Tuesday, Wednesday that week that I would have been like, I don't have a great read. There's a chance I would have been like, think had was just going to pull it off. Like America's just, she's, she's never in a Duncan save. She just keeps getting voted through. That's always the easiest way to handicap it is go, okay, who's never been in a Duncan save. And that was, she was one of them and she doesn't make the top five. ⁓ it's, it's like, it's, ⁓ those are always, ⁓ interesting parts of it, but yeah, no, and I think it makes for a very fun finals. to not have a relatively decided outcome. Agreeing into it and, really feeling like these performances are going to have a major impact on the results. Like Vanderwall or Darcy Lynn, we, we, were such even in the next year, Coty Lee, like they're going to win. takes some, it would take a calamity of a performance in the finals for them not to, ⁓ not to pull it off, but I'm just racking my brain on some seasons. or some of the early seasons, I think it was probably harder back then to have a real read because there's no social media and things like that to know what the sentiment of America was. ⁓ like views and all of that stuff we could use here in these later seasons to kind of get a sense. ⁓ and even more so in, these most recent seasons, but yeah, I'm like, I'm sure Kevin Skinner, no one, I mean, it was probably a completely up in the air results night that night, but yeah, no, I really enjoy. this kind of up in the air type thing, speaker-0: And you even had in season 15 with with Brandon Leake as well. But then you get to Dustin Tavella and it was like, well, where did he come from? speaker-1: Right. You say that was speaker-0: Sometimes we like open the open, know, it being wide open, but then you have someone come out of nowhere, like Decentivella or dogs. speaker-1: Yeah. Right. That always is a thing. But I do remember going into that finals night, season 16, I think it projected the nurses. I was like, I just can't, I can't figure out who, who has any, is anybody even a nose ahead? And I was like, I'll just default to the COVID stop story. Let's just go with like, it was, and that makes results night very edge of your seat. ⁓ which I really like. ⁓ Season 18 had that. Like you said, the dog act. Like Adrian Hurricane, never would have thought was going to win. speaker-0: I thinking more season seven. speaker-1: That too. yeah, season 18 was like the one, in that season that you could have given me a thousand guesses and I never would have had Adrian Hurricane one and Anna de Guzman two. It's a tough one too, but ⁓ other pre-episode thoughts before we get into some of these performances. speaker-0: No, but you you asked earlier if there was anything else I had. did have one other thing that's related to this season because we talked walk of fame. Um, I'll kind of want to take a step back and talk a bit. Yeah. Rewind a little bit. speaker-1: You can cut it up and put it before here. speaker-0: I could, I probably won't, but I because this is more fun to do it this way. ⁓ cause we've talked walk of, think this is what the third or fourth time we've talked walk of fame. It's a very heavy walk of fame. I did a little deep dive on walk of fame. ⁓ and I found all as many as I could find AGT related people that are in the walk of fame. speaker-1: It's been a very heavy walk of fame. And when you say related, is it judges, hosts, guest judges? Got it. speaker-0: Yes, people that have been on the show, a host, a judge, an act, whatever it may be, someone that we have seen on the show. You know, I don't think like Jason Raff is in there, like that type thing. ⁓ over under, let me count these again. over under nine and a half people. speaker-1: Your obvious ones are Howie and Simon. No Brandy. speaker-0: I want you to also see if you can name as many. Yes, that's correct. Yes. speaker-1: Howard Stern has to be, has to have a star. speaker-0: ⁓ I did not find how speaker-1: Really? Piers? speaker-0: No, no Pierce. I could not find Pierce. I could not find speaker-1: Nick. I'm going to take the under. Okay. Is that correct? speaker-0: It is that is incorrect. Yeah. speaker-1: Really? Okay, let me let me rack a few more. Is the Hoff does the Hoff have a star? So that's four. What's the total? 11 11 speaker-0: is on there. The total is a that I could find. speaker-1: And you did include guest judges, correct? I did. Okay. ⁓ is Queen Latifah have a star? Not. Okay. Neil Patrick Harris. Yes. Okay. There's five. Buble have a star? ⁓ speaker-0: Yes Queen. could she was not listed. Neil Patrick Harris. Boobleg is on there. Yes. speaker-1: Terry Crews have a star? Does Tyra have a star? I might foot the 85 for that. 85k. Let's Tyra a star. So I've got seven. So I four more. ⁓ Guest judges. Does Marlon Wayans? Okay. Does Neo have a star? Okay. ⁓ Is there any acts? speaker-0: Terry does have a star. Tyra did I could not find time. could not find Marlon Wayans. I find the O. No, there are speaker-1: No X. Yeah. was like, that'd be awesome. But I was like, there can't be an action someday. Lim. Yeah. speaker-0: No, no ad. I'd look for Shin. looked for, ⁓ Sharon. Sharon is not on there, and I looked for Sharon. Okay. speaker-1: Mm-hmm the last four that I haven't said are they all can you give me category? Is there any regular judges left? Judges Like full-time. Yeah speaker-0: Yes, there's one. speaker-1: Is it Sophia? is. Okay. There's eight. Yeah. Is Regis have a stone? speaker-0: Sophia. Yes. Good. Regis, yes. speaker-1: Okay, there's nine. Yes. Any more hosts? Giveaway, because Jerry's the only host left. So it's two guest judges left. Okay. Yes. All right. I got this. I got this. Does Kelly Clarkson have a star? Okay, 10. Does Kenan Thompson have a star? speaker-0: No, you're out. That is correct. That is yes, Kelly Clarkson is one of them. Not Kenan Thompson, no. You're missing one of the greatest artists of all time. speaker-1: ⁓ Reba? speaker-0: Reva! Yes, Reva's the other one. speaker-1: That was kind of my next group was yeah. Yeah. Hey No one who else gets all 11. Yes. I got some wrong Yeah, but I off top of your head to pull that many guest judges and stuff. I'm very proud ⁓ Yeah, what do you think I went 11 for 20? 11 for 18 That's not bad. That's not bad. Okay, I'm living that's a good amount speaker-0: Yeah. Maybe, yeah. 18th, around in there, yeah. That is good amount. And I searched for like Sharon, searched for a couple of the others. Sure. And I couldn't find them, but. speaker-1: Yeah. Anyway, sorry. get into. Okay. A classic segue. What else? It makes a ton of sense. Um, we are here in the Dolby theater, Cody. is season 13 21st episode. Yeah. It's a loud theater. September 18th, 2018. The 21st episode is notable because you'll recall that as the speaker-0: Yes, we get the episode now, sir. Allow me to hit her, commenter. speaker-1: the episode number that Jackie Ivanko showed up in season five. Yes. Yes. It's a notable, notable comparison there. ⁓ we've got a great lineup of 10. ⁓ this is just a really great episode. Brian King, Joseph is going to open night, but before he gets started, Tyra is gonna, you know, she's getting us ready for the episode. And this is, ⁓ we talked about the top. This is Tyra's elimination. speaker-0: for that first performance. speaker-1: I mean the results, but this is the end of road for her. Yeah, it's her penultimate and it's right off the bat. She's fumbling. You pulled a clip. Let's, let's hear that. speaker-0: That's her penultimate episode. ⁓ So when I first heard that I was like starting with Shin that seems weird speaker-1: Are we still here? Yeah. Musicians, she said. Yes. Yes. piques my interest on have we ever had a musical magician before? Because musician would be a fun act. Yes. Not that I can think of, like a singing magician. ⁓ might be, you know who could do that is Neil Patrick Harris. He could be a musician. ⁓ He'd be great at that. ⁓ Yeah. just, musician. She got caught up. speaker-0: Yes. speaker-1: ⁓ It's finals night. It's intense. Yes, everybody's on the edge. Everybody's nervous including Tyra ⁓ who But all right, mr. Brian King Joseph, he deserves he deserves some some time here from us Yeah, because this is it. This is a really great performance. He's gonna be performing heartless by Kanye West This is he starting under the stage. Yeah, so he started above the audience in the last round and now he's beneath the stage speaker-0: He's in the basement. Yep. speaker-1: He's in the basement. It is very bright. feel like I'm at the pearly gates when this performance starts. It's just, it's just bright white. ⁓ it's amazing. The stage, does, I'll say this, it does take a little bit longer to get to the main stage than I probably would have liked. felt like he was, the elevator didn't rise very fast, but when that stage goes up, the, the shot of him. with the whole theater behind him is one of the great framings that the producers and the camera people have done. It's an amazing shot. think we talked about it in his rewatchable. But it kind of it stuns you. And there's not a lot of just camera shots that kind of almost take your breath away. But he couldn't look cooler in that moment. It looks like he's just in complete control of the audience. We have some fire, Cody. You gotta see this performance to get the full effect. It's a very visual and obviously it makes, it's hard to just listen to a violin, but it's a music act so you can get a lot of impact from just the audio, but it's very visual. It's just a stellar performance. What a way to start the show, Cody. ⁓ What'd you think of seeing Brian King's finals again? ⁓ speaker-0: It's a very visual performance. love the ⁓ ingenuity that someone came up with this idea. Hey, we're going to start you kind of on the ground floor ⁓ in the bay and you're going to walk in, you're going to take the elevator up to the stage and then you're going to like, your back's going to be turned to the audience. Someone was like, we got this idea and he's like, I love it. And it's to start the, I don't think this works if it's later in the episode. Right. It's like, it's like you're arriving at the, at the, at the Dolby theater. Everything's electric. Everything's on fire. It's the lights are going. And then, and then as a playing just adds on to also if his playing was terrible, wouldn't do it justice either. But because his playing was incredible, everything was just top notch. The bar was set so high at the end of this performance. speaker-1: It was, it, it really, it was, it really kind of set the, like you said, the bar, but really the baseline being like, Hey, this is, if you want to win, this is clearly going to be one of your main competitors after this performance. ⁓ I have it as the best performance of the night so far. ⁓ worst as well. So that glass half full. ⁓ speaker-0: Yes. speaker-1: There's just a lot to like. Yes, the production's great. He fiddles, he does the guitar with it. Yes. He just, I think, I just love, he views what you can do with a violin different than what we ever see on this show. This hip hop, glowing, fast paced. It's just all gas, no breaks. And ⁓ it's just really fun. And between the camera work and the staging, the performing, the music, the song choice worked. ⁓ He's had one low point for me, which was the quarterfinals and the rest of his season has just been really spectacular. And, ⁓ you know, he's going to finish third. And at this point in the competition, that's a completely reasonable place for him to end up. He's been one of the handful of best acts this entire season. And this, I would say last week or last round was really awesome. This was right there. What do you think? Was this better than semis? speaker-0: We're better than semis because of the, mean, having the platform, you know, in the last one he started high and came down. This one started low and came up, but I think I liked this a lot better. speaker-1: Yeah, think this is his best of the season. Yeah. Which is, I love when you're going to do that in the finals. Any other thoughts on the performance? speaker-0: No. ⁓ well, just by watching him, you would not think that he's got neuropathy. No. I the muscle memory that he's got on those fingers, because not just playing with the bow, but like you say, the picking and the strumming and all that that he's doing with the violin, you would not think that he has neuropathy. speaker-1: No, there doesn't there doesn't appear to be a hindrance at all, which is good. Now, remember, some of his numbness may be out of sheer joy and excitement. That's right. All it's not all medical, potentially. ⁓ We have a couple different comments. Let's hear from Mel B first. speaker-0: Not because it was not I always get so excited when I hear your name because I know that you are gonna deliver you are 100 % the best violinist performer of all time I think you are just you just And you know what was really cool the very start of when you started your performance. We got to see those eyes of you They are so dreamy hands down one of your best performances well done my love speaker-1: How many violinists do you think Mel B knows? Like pure violin performers. speaker-0: ⁓ not many, because there's a lot of concert violinists out there. Right. They're incredible. ⁓ speaker-1: Yeah, it's a little bit of like, what are you showing up for? Do you want the Brian and Joseph version of Violet? Just to be like, I think you're the best of all time. She doesn't have any markers to base that off of, which is fine. speaker-0: you put like Charlie Daniels in that same category? ⁓ my goodness. Devil went down to Georgia. speaker-1: I don't even know who that is. I couldn't name very many yo yo ma is he a violinist? speaker-0: Yeah, but you're in the same family. speaker-1: Yeah. He's I'll give her this. He's clearly the best finalist we'd ever had on this show. Correct. Which is, which is fine. But we also heard some thoughts from Howie. So let's hear that. show with what I would consider a closer. ⁓ The sound, was truly amazing and that was like a drop the bow moment, you know? I had to. It was truly amazing. You just set the bar for the whole evening, young man. Good luck everybody. Thank you, Howie. Good stuff from Howie. Yeah. Really good stuff. He's right. He just set the bow for the season or for the evening. It's interesting conversation because he's great. This is a great way to open a show. Yes. This very easily could have closed the show and it's kind of an interesting conversation because who they ended up picking to close the show I think you and I'll both be like I'm not sure they picked the best closer. This would have been a great a great closer So any other thoughts on on our guy Brian King? speaker-0: How does this performance work out if it is the closer? Does he do the same thing? Does it work the same? speaker-1: Yeah, think this is... Yeah, I think... speaker-0: You think this works still if he's closing the night? speaker-1: Yes, but I, let's do this. Okay. They put the two options in front of you. You're the producer, you're the show runner. And they're like, Hey, do you want, should we have Brian King open or Brian King close? What would you have picked? speaker-0: probably would have had him close. I probably would have, but I guess I'm wondering, does this same thing work at the end of the show as opposed to the beginning of the show? it's like, okay, well, if I had that information, if I had this, then it's going to be an opener. speaker-1: Really? That's part of what you're trying Yeah. I would assume they pick the order after rehearsals and things like that. Don't you think? Yeah. I wonder, I feel like if I was running the show and sometimes it's logistical, but I feel like I would want to know, Hey, what are you doing? And then I can kind of be like, all right, this is going to play off of this. ⁓ Knowing what we know about what he does. I think it's better as an opener. Okay. I probably would have just had Glentis Grace close the show, but yeah, ⁓ Heidi called him Brian Joseph King. speaker-0: I don't know. That's good. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. Such an easy not one not to mix up. ⁓ speaker-0: going on? Everyone's stressed. speaker-1: Yeah, it's it's a big night, Cody. All right. Any other anything else? Should we move on? speaker-0: ⁓ drummers. Did you notice the drummers? speaker-1: I did. It felt like, it felt a little bit like ⁓ William Close's quarterfinals performance with the big drum. I liked the big drummer. speaker-0: those drummers speaker-1: ⁓ yes, yes, yes. Elevating behind him. Yes. Yeah, he had multiple cool drummer moments there. It's going to take us to our classical singer, Mr. Daniel Emmett, who has had quite the run on the show. doesn't bring a second... Let's just do a quick recap. Doesn't bring a second song to his audition, has to learn ⁓ Simon's unknown song, Pasera, blows the roof off with it, gets sent to judge cuts. gets sent home at judge cuts gets brought back as a wild card in the quarterfinals. He gets sent to, ⁓ Duncan, the Duncan save in the quarterfinals, which is actually kind of really unimpressive because seven, like there's five that gets sent through without having to go. he was at least six in his quarterfinal voting. He, he survives there, gets America's vote, goes to the semi finals. gets set back to the Duncan save in the semi finals and goes all the way to the judge's choice in the semis. He is just, he's like a cockroach. You just can't kill him. Like the amount of times this show tried to get rid of Daniel Emmett between Simon being like, you have to bring it like it almost just ended because he didn't have a second song. then he gets sent home. Then he's a Duncan save. Then he's a judge's choice. Like I'll give it to him. He fights. He had a really difficult road to get to this performance. speaker-0: What doesn't kill you, you stronger. speaker-1: It really does. ⁓ and I, I respect the resiliency cause this guy, he was taking it on the chin the whole season. He was hanging on for dear life. ⁓ he's going to be performing perfect symphony by Andrea Bicelli. Our, ⁓ our classical guy. We are back to Italian. We're done with, we're done with English except for the, what the last, I think the last note he did, sang in, yeah, which was fine. speaker-0: Yeah, the very last line is saying English. speaker-1: This was a very similar stage set up to his quarterfinals if you recall back. He kind of had that skinny mini stage that was a little bit elevated. He used that in both. What a suit coat. Goaty. We're going to get a little comment on that, but what a coat. ⁓ Man, can he sing. He's great. I this was his best live show performance probably. Quarterfinals was really good too. Last week I didn't love as much, but ⁓ we do have a clip. So let's hear him sing a little bit. speaker-0: See ya. speaker-1: ⁓ You look perfect tonight What'd think of the high note finish? ⁓ I was lukewarm on it. Yeah. I kind of wanted him to keep it down low to kind of send us off with a little hush tone maybe. Yeah. Yeah. don't know the original arrangement of this. whatever, whatever this one was, whether it was ⁓ a copy paste or not worked. The background accompaniment was really good. His key changes are always great. He's kind of a flawless vocalist. speaker-0: Mm. can see that. the notes were well. speaker-1: Yeah, he just, he's trained and it shows. I really, really enjoyed this. What'd you think of Daniel's performance? speaker-0: too. I'm with you. He's got some power. He's got some range. I love the choice of holding those notes and the vibrato that he's got. I'm kind of with you. The only thing I noticed at the end, I didn't pay a lot attention to the high note and think a lot about it. It was more a transitioning from the Italian and then the very last line you do in English. So I'm like, okay, that's a choice, but okay. ⁓ I get on some songs at the very end, sometimes you make some transitions and you make some choices that that work and sometimes they don't work. But I really enjoy him. This is my type of singing. It's lot of fun. He's had a great journey through the season. It's incredible. forget the journey that he's had throughout He's been beating the whole season. crazy. So I love having him around. I'm glad that he's here. speaker-1: I'm really fascinated to see where you have him in the season. ⁓ He was probably the hardest choice I had of where does he fit between, is he a bottom five of the night, like a bottom five of the season, when I say bottom five, of these 10, should he be in the top five? Where does his performance fit in the night too? ⁓ I still think Brian King Joseph was better, but this is really good and ⁓ kudos to him because... ⁓ I did think he took a step back in the semi, so I thought this was a really nice bounce back performance. We have Simon's comments on this, so let's hear from Simon. speaker-0: You know voices. needed that performance, I think, not just for the show, but for yourself, so that whatever happens in this competition, you can walk away on the big night saying, I gave the best performance, which you did tonight. It was by far, it was powerful. Just way better than last week apart from the jacket, which isn't great Wait, why don't you like this jacket? I mean, let's not talk about outfits speaker-1: We got pounced on. speaker-0: The one thing I love about this engagement is the two fashion models. Just letting him have it about fashion. speaker-1: like, shut up, Simon. I'm with them. I like the suit coat. Go all out, man. It's the final. Put something, Simon's in the t- speaker-0: do too. It's the finals. Sure. Yeah. You're gonna get glitzy and glamoury and, you know, I some little gold to it. I love it. But I love how Tyra's like, Simon, know, know Seniors. And then at the end he gives a comment about fashion. They're like, what do know about fashion? speaker-1: He just gets tacked. Yeah, just coming from the guy who wears the same thing every day. His initial comments were exactly what we kind of drove home. Better than what he did. was a great bounce back. Congrats to Daniel. A really memorable name for us now, especially when you combine him with what he did in season 17 by coming back. He's kind of a fascinating historical piece. I think you and I probably have a both of a higher regard for him now after this rewatch for season 13. speaker-0: Does he kind of get forgotten in AGT? speaker-1: Yeah. I feel like, I feel like people didn't love him. well, Jacob Elliott Schar talked about it in our. He was just like, Oh, Daniel, I'm in, I was counting. I'm like Daniel, I'm in great. He's way better at Barbara Padilla. Um, all right. Anything else on, on Daniel? I'm at no sitting at second of the night right now, but that's okay. It's going to, um, he's going to keep moving up. All right. speaker-0: Well, but he's trying to get to Barber for DS. I was like, speaker-1: It's gonna take us to trailer nasty. Misty Vick, Misty Misty Misty Miss Vicky Barbalak. Tough draw following Brian King and Daniel Emmett. speaker-0: You got to fit her in somewhere. speaker-1: You thought. Now I say she matched energy. brought it. What an entrance on the cart. I like how everything has been consistently pink. Like she's got this theming that's that's been all season. What a move. Whipping out the swimsuit. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Man, that was... it was shocking. Yeah. speaker-0: I thought she was gonna do her whole set for swimsuit. speaker-1: I did too, I'm glad she didn't. It would have been, no offense to Vicky. speaker-0: It would've been little distracting. know, but it would have been focusing on that rather than her jokes. speaker-1: Yes, it was the right move from that standpoint and the fact of the matter is it it was not overly appealing to look at and that's okay She was not she doesn't she wasn't expecting everybody to ooh and ah over over that look She was looking for the shock and awe and she nailed it Her dad played for the Steelers? did Paul was his name Paul? speaker-0: Yes. Yeah, he I think that's right. ⁓ No, Peter, Peter Barbalac. He was an offensive lineman for the Steelers. I didn't jot down the year. He only played 10 games. speaker-1: Peter Barber. I was going to say it had to be like in the sixties because she's not young. Right. He played in, he played in 1949. So 1926. Yeah. He went to Purdue. Was it, do you know what round he was drafted in? Yeah, it was. speaker-0: She's in her 60s, yeah. He was born in like the 20s. Late, was like the 16th round or something? speaker-1: Now now it's There was only a handful of teams. He was like he was still the hundred and seventy second pick which would be like if in the fifth round six round nowadays, but Yeah, Pete Pete Barbala speaker-0: Yeah, 10 times no stats. guess offensive lineman you don't have much but what stats do you get for an offensive lineman? speaker-1: Not a ton of stat. Pancakes, which are bad, you push the guy to the ground. ⁓ Most of them are bad. Sacks allowed is like, you know, a lot of times. You know, nowadays they have the more analytical stats of, know, success rate against, you know, pass rush. How often do you get beat on pass rush? They're very kind of nitty gritty stuff. Yeah, not a ton of counting stats. speaker-0: Just a guy to the ground or something. speaker-1: for offense lineman but shut up Pete Bar-Black ⁓ he was no longer with us at this point was he? speaker-0: Yeah. No, he celebrated his 100th birthday on like April 1st. speaker-1: Really? Yeah. 100th? 100th, yes. was born in 1929. speaker-0: I thought it said 26. speaker-1: Let's pull it back up. Pete Barbalak. ⁓ yeah. 1926. Yeah. So, but he passed away in 2006 at age 80. Yes. If he would have still been kicking today. He missed it. Yeah. Just missed it. Yeah. No, on his, on it. can't believe he has a Wikipedia. I know. He is the father of comedian Vicky Barbalak. speaker-0: 100, man. We just- He's known for being the father of Vicky Barbala. That's Yes. speaker-1: most notable. This is most notable. He shouldn't have a Wikipedia page. I'll say it. That's a shot of Pete. all right. This was the, this performance was the exact amount and level of unhinged that I want from my Vicky Barblack. This was all over the place. Was it a great comedy set? No, but the whole part of it was if you're like, if you were going to pay money to come and see Vicky Barblack, she better be this. Unruly unhinged. Yeah, just completely nonsensical in a lot of ways. Yeah it it's It it's what I like from her it's a trailer nasty behind her when she walked out We didn't get she closed it with a speaker-0: Literally at the end, just went trailer nasty. speaker-1: Yeah, she's playing the hits, but, ⁓ this is how I like my Vicky Barbelak. What'd you think of this performance? speaker-0: She set the tone with the swimsuit. absolutely set the tone, which is what you need to do. You've got to get them laughing early on. And because of that, no matter what she did, the rest of the set, people were going to laugh because she'd already set the tone. She's got them laughing. She's got them engaged. I thought it was great. The homeschool, ⁓ the homeschool thing was really funny. Let's see. Yeah, I think that's the really only one. There was something about a silly bit, Paul. ⁓ She had a, she had a stripper pole, but it was mint. thought that was really funny. Yeah. This pooters thing was memorable. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So I thought it was a really great set again, setting that tone at the beginning of the swimsuit. I was dying at the beginning and I loved it. This is what she needed that, elevated her set. It absolutely, you said she was already better than saving the con room. It's totally separated her. It's not even close. So. speaker-1: fail hooters spinoff They're not to me. speaker-0: Loved it. Still one of my favorite comedians. speaker-1: She'll be a rewatchable someday, whether it's next season or maybe we have to put it off a couple since we just did this, but. It's important. It's really hard. think one of the hardest things to do when you're a non-singer, because the easiest thing to do when you're a singer is just to have different songs, to have things to remember specific performances by is really hard to do. And she now has two live shows that I'll never forget because we had trailer nasty in the quarter finals, which is an iconic completely, I'll never forget what happened in the quarters because of that and the swimsuit in the finals. She's got two different performances, both in the live shows. that are really memorable. I'm not going to have high scores on any of them, but I'll never forget when she took that robe off. ⁓ was a shocking moment. ⁓ I like that. Like I said, it's hard to do for comedians. It's hard to do for a lot of these non-singing performance acts and things like that where there's just not big moments to remember. She nailed it. ⁓ And I was impressed. Any other thoughts on Vicki's performance? speaker-0: Her intro packages are really good. The way she's interacting with her, her neighbors there at the trailer park. Those are really good. They're I'm hoping those are actual people that live there. Cause if they're not, there's a, there's some good actors, but if they're, if there are people that live there, it feels natural. It feels, it feels like they're all one big, they are one big community. And I really liked that. speaker-1: Yeah, I agree. ⁓ You pulled Simon's comments. ⁓ Simon doesn't know what Hooters is. Let's hear from Simon. speaker-0: was going to ask what are Hooters, but I think I've just worked it out. Simon, how do you not know what Hooters are? Well, we had Chinese, now we've got Hooters. I'm English, but whatever. Can I tell you something? Tonight, you were brilliant. Brilliant. clips are brilliant. if any television producer is watching this and wants to make the alternatives to the Kardashians, that's the show. But I am a TV producer. Yes, you are! Simon your wheels are spinning for a show aren't you no no but they this this whole community these friends. Oh Yeah, they're hilarious You're brilliant speaker-1: You think in reality. didn't know I shouldn't say didn't know what Hooters is didn't know what Hooters are, which is kind of was kind of shocking to me. You're muted, Cody. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, Hooters Hooters the way you said I don't know what Hooters are because there are two definitions for Hooters. Yes. speaker-1: There's kind of three there's a restaurant the body part and owls. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: Well, yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I just quickly looked it up. There are two Hooters restaurants in the UK. Okay. One in Nottingham, Nottingham and one in Newcastle. So. speaker-1: Simon might have to go to the UK Hooters. But yeah, I know. speaker-0: I love that he's getting introduced to things like Denny's and Hooters. speaker-1: Yeah, he's he's really starting to kind of get the full Americana What makes America America that the Denny's is and the Hooters is those are? That's that's middle America. That is classic USA, baby. ⁓ I Had a really hard time Deciding where this performance fitted in the night. Okay, it's it's the worst of the three so far in my opinion. I have a third Yes, I speaker-0: Thanks. speaker-1: I don't need to do the full thing, but I, I, I think as much as it's memorable, I, I didn't sit here going, wow, what a talent. ⁓ I have it third of the night. We'll see. I'm interested to see where you have it in the 10, but, ⁓ anything else on Vicki Barbalak? speaker-0: ⁓ the fact Simon talking about TV producer making her and her, and he's like, I'm a TV producer. Has Simon ever, he did produce the, the boy band Netflix thing, right? But has he ever produced like scripted TV? speaker-1: Scripted TV as far as I know, would say probably not. No, I mean, he's a reality TV guru. All right. Anything else? Ms. Glenis Grace is up next. Sing and Run by Snow Patrol. Song choice with her. It doesn't matter. speaker-0: ⁓ okay. It doesn't matter. speaker-1: I know if she could do a bad song because she's just so good. She could sing the Fombo. She could have came out and did the Canadian national anthem and she would have had me. She's flawless. I think she might be the most reliable act in AGTA history. Like there is just, if she's on the stage, it's speaker-0: She can sing the phone book and you bus- That's why she's Carlin Moon. speaker-1: gonna work, I'm gonna like it. There's gonna be no, I haven't had, she's done five performances, I haven't had a critique. There's not been a single thing I would change. speaker-0: So, if she's so reliable, okay, is it reliable because of what she sings? if she were, if you went to see her in a concert for an hour, hour and a half, would her style change? Like, should she do different things? speaker-1: Yeah. Now we talked about, think in the last round, I kind of mentioned, I'd like, she's kind of done this back and forth between some subtle songs and these bigger songs. ⁓ that I'm not sure. Right. And yeah, these, you know, two and a half minute, five times, you know, we've seen her for 10 minutes saying, know, 10, 10 to 12 minutes probably singing. So that is probably part of it, but it hasn't been like she's just spammed a certain type of song. She's done Whitney Houston, she's done Snow Patrol, which I never, she's done a ⁓ Greatest Showman song. There is a wide range of song choice, but all of them, she finds a way to fit to her. There are some discrepancies between, she sings them in a little bit different ways. ⁓ We've got a clip, so let's hear her sing a little bit and then we can talk even more. speaker-0: you Did you remember that clip being over a minute? speaker-1: It was worth it. Okay. Wish it was longer. It's just stellar. think, I think, I think she's competitive for the best singer we've ever had. I think the best female singer. Is she going to top Grace Vanderwaal on my leaderboard? No, because I think there's more to it. There's the songwriting, there's other pieces, but man, I just could listen to her all day. I could, these five performances, you could just put them on a loop and I'd be happy as a clam. ⁓ what'd you think of Glenis's performance? speaker-0: Yeah, I enjoyed it. ⁓ I want a little more variety, but I really do enjoy it. I think she is a she's a great singer I struggle with trying to find where she is in the Hierarchy or the ranking of Singers particularly female singers. She's way up there agreed. Yeah, totally agreed. I think the fact that she is Miss all reliable and she's so consistent I Know this sounds weird, but it doesn't feel quite right I want a little more variety from her. ⁓ speaker-1: some bad performances. Is that what you're saying? I guess so. It seems a little bit like what you're saying. speaker-0: I know, this seems weird to say, doesn't it? It's like... speaker-1: There is a peak the quarterfinals as it was a legitimate peak the greatest showman song was a clear Yeah, so as much as she's consistent there was there was to me a little bit of an outlier of how great that speaker-0: I want to find something to criticize. guess is what I want to look at right? Yeah, it seems weird to say but I want to find Something where I can be like, yeah, I didn't enjoy that that much It feels weird constantly say every performance boy. I really like that. It's like you speaker-1: Yeah, I mean it really is like even like as much as I think Shin Lim's an unequivocal best act ever, there's things I didn't love over these five performances, I should say that I did critique. will say, well, here to Mel's comments about kind of where this song goes on a register in terms of where she needed to sing it at on, it's a way, I think she describes it as an up, it's really up there, I think it's fair and that might be a critique, but otherwise. Yeah, I just think this was really great. Let's hear from Mel and then we'll talk. speaker-0: You can sing sing sing sing this that is you have undeniably a beautiful Perfect pitch voice with an amazing vibrato I just want to say for me you you had me at last week with that song It's all about song choices with you for me this song was a very much up there I want you to see that soulfulness come out, but we've seen any this is the final I'm just giving my opinion second song amazing shut up. I love you and you look incredible speaker-1: I would say that maybe is the only because there was there was a part in the clip that we heard where it is really up there and She can get there, but she is better. She's best maybe in that more soulful alto. Yeah, but man, she's a star We we also heard from Simon, let's let's hear his thoughts speaker-0: Star. Agree. Absolutely sensational. What's gonna happen with you after the show, Glenys? But you know, I know they're making a musical version of The Greatest Showman, and if I was one of the producers, I would be auditioning you right now for a big part in that, because that's... I have loved tonight so much I actually can't believe we're being paid to do this because this is the greatest night and that was immaculate speaker-1: We're the greatest showman. speaker-0: When I've heard him say that, my first thought was, they already made a musical version of The Greatest Showman. It's like, it wasn't... speaker-1: It was the movie. speaker-0: The movie, but it's a musical, but like, okay, you're doing a stage production. speaker-1: Right. Does that always happen? Yeah, I think that's what he was referencing. Yeah. ⁓ I'll say this. had been, ⁓ it had, we had kind of had a, a cooling off on greatest showman references and performances in songs. So it was good to have at least one more. The finals needed a greatest showman reference. Cause this was the greatest showman season. So, ⁓ any other thoughts on the performance? I have it as the best of the night so far. have it more. speaker-0: I did not. speaker-1: What do you where where do you have speaker-0: or below Vicki. I did. speaker-1: Y-you have her fourth right now? speaker-0: Yes. speaker-1: I mean, your scores will never reflect that, I feel like. speaker-0: Okay. speaker-1: Where, where, where's the, where's the, the disconnect between like, did, what did Vicky do that was better than this? speaker-0: I just like really liked Vicky's comedy set. speaker-1: Sure. Yeah. And you have Vicky what, third? Yeah. So you thought this was a worse singing performance than Daniel Emmett's? speaker-0: Right above Guinness. ⁓ no, I had to limit it lower. speaker-1: See if Danny I'm at fourth. Yeah. speaker-0: Wait, so one. ⁓ I had her third. had her. So yeah, sorry about that. Sorry about that. speaker-1: performances. Either third. Got it. Yeah, that's that's hard for me with the Vicky Barbalac piece of it, but speaker-0: I'm not saying it's a significant I mean, I gotta put a ranking in right? They could be they could be right there speaker-1: Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to have it as the best of the night. I think it was, I think it was one one. Sure. ⁓ I do want to do this because this has been a great start. It's been a really fun first four performances. And when we got done with this performance, I was like, how did this, how did this compare to the, cause the season 11 had a great start to season 11 finals. Let's compare the four. So we've had Brian King, Joseph, Daniel, I met Vicki and Glenis Grace. This was the four openers for season 11. Sal opened. which was an incredible performance. Yep. Sophie, Dossie, Lincoln Bridge, Laura Breton. This is a better, I think this is a better start. Yeah. Now there's a lot, there's a lot left. There's six acts left in season 11 that are probably better than this are definitely better than the six we have left here. But speaker-0: Who were the top four in season 10? speaker-1: Um, let's do that. but yeah, no, I mean, this is, as I looked that up, like season, uh, oops, season 11 has the best finals, but this is, this is a really, really top, top, top tier start. Ohs opened the night. Um, Uzier was second, Benton Blutt, Gary Veeder. speaker-0: Yeah, this is still better. speaker-1: Still better. Yeah. This is a really, really awesome start. should that, should some of these not been this early in the show? Perhaps. Like should, should Glenis or Brian King close the show? Maybe even Daniel Emmett could have closed the show. Perhaps. Yeah. Vicki might've been the right opener. Yeah. She might've been a great opener, but yeah. So, um, yeah, no, we're off to, we were off to a rip roaring start cause this is, this has been terrific. Anything else on the Glenis Grace? All right. That's going to take us into Zer-Goro. Tyrus people. My people. That's right. My Zer-Goro. ⁓ Elite song choice. Whatever this song is, I don't know what it is. Yeah. But it's perfect. Cause I'll say this. I felt like in the live show so far, they somewhat lost their way. We're back in the jungle and that's where I want them. Yeah. We don't need them in... Where were they then, the one performance? was angels. Ancient Greece, Roman columns. You guys, you're a Zerk girl. You're in the jungle. speaker-0: In the jungle, in the jungle. speaker-1: Yeah, this felt closer to their audition, ⁓ which I loved the human jump rope into the big throw was breathtaking. Yeah. It was really like a, ⁓ wow. Moment. Right. And she was, there was like some really high stunts. Yeah. The crowd loved this. We couldn't hear comments. ⁓ it was so loud. ⁓ speaker-0: Are they gonna catch her? speaker-1: just I the ending was a little odd they switched to a very different type of music for like 10 seconds and then that was it but I didn't have a lot of didn't have a lot of complaints with this this was I think their second best act of the season after the audition what'd you think of Zürcher speaker-0: Yeah, I really liked it. And then they kind of told a story with a boy and a girl where the boy was, guess, giving her the world. speaker-1: Yeah, I could have done without the story to be honest. I agree. But I would say that was the one thing I would have gotten rid of. But the rest of it, outfits. Yeah. Yeah, I the outfits were cool. The junk. It's great to be in the jungle. The music was great. Yeah, this was really speaker-0: The stunts were great. were electric. Yeah, it was absolutely fun. Much more exciting than their previous performance. I just didn't understand the whole newsboy giving her the world thing. speaker-1: Yeah. And his, his outfit didn't fit into the rest of this. why would this boy be in the jungle? Yeah, no, I, I thought that was overthought, but the, I mean, yeah, this was really great. Um, they're really a fun act. This was a really, they were a little bit up and down. There was some roller coaster ride to them. I felt like, but this was a high note for them to finish on. thought they really, I thought they really knocked it out of the park. Um, We gotta hear Howie's speaker-0: It's a loud theater! speaker-1: Man, the crowd was, we've seen that a few times over the years where it's like they can't calm them down. speaker-0: I think it's gotten worse in the later seasons. A couple of seasons we've seen it. It's just absolutely terrible. speaker-1: They're in contention after this. They're going to end up second. Obviously we'll talk about all the results, this was good enough because I felt like they kind of fell out of contention. And I felt like this catapulted them back in the conversation. Mel said she thinks they could win. I think if it would have been sitting there in season in 2018, I would have been like, fair enough. Yeah. I don't know if I would have them winning, but I could certainly see it. ⁓ Other thoughts you have on Zykro? speaker-0: I had the best of the night. speaker-1: I had them fourth. I have them third right now. So I Glenis, Brian, King, and then them. I thought this- I really liked it. I really did. All right. We're to wrap up the comedians of this- speaker-0: was a great performance. Real quick, I just want to say because we didn't talk about it with Vicki. I just felt like how I kind of got the shaft on a lot of these comments. speaker-1: Yeah, he yeah, not only did he get skipped over and I think we heard from we didn't hear from him on Vicky at all at all completely Completely skipped over. Yeah. Yeah, I wrote. How do we not hear from Howie? Yeah, and then so we didn't hear from him at all there He gets curtailed a couple other times and we can't hear him in this one. So like though the one like I want to I should always hear from him and I should always hear from Simon like I should hear these these two and the fact that we're Like Heidi doesn't say anything of note. It was every time speaker-0: Unless it's Heidi's golden buzzer. I don't really want to hear from her. speaker-1: Right. Yeah, it's not, she's not bringing much, but okay. We're going to wrap up the, ⁓ the comedians of the season with Mr. Sam Comrow. I thought this was a perfectly fine set. Was it? I just, I still for the life of me cannot figure out where the votes come from for him. I've been critical of him. I've been blocked on Twitter by him. I probably have a slightly better view of him after this rewatch than I probably did. ⁓ I still think my scores, I didn't really have, but I just don't see it. I don't see where the humor is. I don't ever find myself laughing. I don't know. I wish I liked it more because he's in the finals, but what'd think of Sam's performance? speaker-0: There are a jokes actually liked here. I like the Tourette's jokes. I thought the Tourette's jokes were really good. Other than that, it was like you say, fine. I still think he's way better than like Drew Lynch. speaker-1: I would say he's easier to listen to, sir. speaker-0: Correct. But he's still, I think, an average... I think I enjoyed him more when I first watched him than now. But now that we've kind of watched him a couple more times, he's starting to wane on me. don't think his jokes are rewatchable. So I think he's fine. Yeah, I thought it was a fine performance. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. just, there's other acts sitting at home right now that I would really have loved to have seen a fifth time or a fourth time that we didn't end up seeing. This could have been We Three. This could have been Aaron Crowe. This could have been Junior New System. This could have been Da Republic. This could have even been like, give me Michaela Phillips before. There's just, there's things that, and we didn't need another singer, but there's just things I would have rather have seen than this. ⁓ And ⁓ it's too bad. Anything else on? ⁓ we have have Howie's comments, kinda. Let's let's hear from Howie. speaker-0: So what do you have to say? Well, I think it's all subjective, but I got to tell you personally. I love you I thought you brought your a-game. I thought America loves you this audience loves you. That was your best act yet I think you're my Didn't they also kind of rush through him on this one as well? speaker-1: That one felt normal to me. I'll say this Outside of times especially like in auditions where we've seen some comedians actually like bomb As how we never is how we ever not like the comedian has he ever not been? Complimentary I don't think yeah, that's good question as much as we want to hear from him because he's the comedian he it almost I Have yet to find the value in his comments a lot of times because he's just gonna say he likes him and I get you know solidarity for the craft, it's really hard. But outside of the true, like, I think back to Kabir Singh. Can't remember what season he was, but he had a legitimate bombing moment in his live show, where I think Howie probably was not like standing on the chair. Every other time, it's just like, I love you. And it's like, okay, well, you love all of the ones that successfully do a comedy set. I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do with your comments, to be honest. speaker-0: And he does, if he doesn't like it, he'll just say, ⁓ it's subjective. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. He just, that's his kind of his cop out is like, wow, it's, uh, you know, it's subjective. So I may have liked it and may have not. Yeah. I, just, I wish he was more, I wish there was more variance to his comedy comments because I just feel like they're almost invalid at the invalid at this point, but all right. Anything else? And Sam Comer? No. I haven't worked through the night. I did. I did as well as well. And worst of the 10 of the whole night. Yes. Okay. All right. That's going to take us to our, our shooting star of the season. ⁓ she really, she kind of is a shooting star cause she burned real bright and, and, and burnt out real fast. ⁓ Ms. Courtney Hadwin, she's going to be performing River Deep Mountain High by Tina Turner. Love Tina Turner. Yes. An all-timer. don't, I, I'm not sold on this song choice for her. I thought it was fine. I thought this was better than some of the stuff we've seen recently. Um, I think I probably think this is her best live show. The switch up from the soulful R and B start to the psychotic screaming and screeching. didn't work for me. kind of liked, I kind of liked the beginning to be honest. I liked the beginning and then there was some really good stuff at the end, which I think is in the clip. The middle for me was a bit of a disaster and a bit of a car wreck. Let's hear the clip quick and then we'll talk about it. wanted more of that. Yeah. When she gets into like the big notes where she's kind of belting, I think that was a really good 20 seconds of that performance. Again, I still, there's some of the screeching and the screaming that I don't love, but I felt like in the live shows, they didn't let her let loose on that part of it. They let her let loose on some of the psychotic stuff she does. But I just felt like they... between her and the people on the show, feel like undervalued her actual vocal acumen and more highlighted her kind of quirkiness. And I think if I would have been advising her and if I could have went back in season 13, would have been like, hey, let's not discount her actual vocal ability because it's really legit. And they kind of did and kind of focused on the goofiness and the dancing. What'd you think of this performance? speaker-0: Did you, was it semi-finals where you mentioned that she's kind of become the character that she's? speaker-1: She became self-aware. Yes. And I love that. speaker-0: Yeah. And I think there's still more of it. And ⁓ I'm with you that maybe someone maybe advised her to be let loose and be more crazy rather than focus on the singing. Cause I did not care for the screeching as well, but she was actually singing and you hear that soulful noise and she's kind of moving about and dancing on the stage and just having fun. It was great. But then you're like, then she transitions into this different person halfway through. I'm like, it's just, It's not fitting. goes down to the stage or the speaker-1: I was gonna ask you what you think of the walk down to the table. I wasn't for me. speaker-0: I'm not a fan of it. Yeah, I'm of it. I think there's a reason, I think for her performance, there's a reason like they'll put the rug down on the floor for her because she's probably wearing some, her boots are probably... Right. And so I think she just needs to stay up there kind of in that, that area. I did like her interacting with the guitar players. That seemed a lot of fun. Seemed like a concert. Like they were naturally just a band and they were performing together. It seemed really good. Middle part, not a fan of. speaker-1: very slippery and stuff. Yeah. And I'm not saying, like, I don't want it to be taken where I think she's being inauthentic. Cause I do think doing the weird crazy stuff is who she is as a performer. think she likes to do that. But I think it just came at the expense of her vote. This would never have been what she going to do. This wouldn't have been the... I would love to have seen her do one performance where it was just her, a microphone. The stage is basically empty and she sings like a greatest showman song or something. speaker-0: Not sure that's who she is, but okay. speaker-1: And just a stripped back, almost acoustic thing and just be like, how well can you actually sing? Again, I would have just been interested to see it. It wouldn't have been a good play. She needed to be this. I get that. But I think the vocal suffered when they were, I think they were there. And I'm not saying that if she would, if they would have made some tweaks to what they ended up doing, that it would have been better for her. But maybe she would have been in the top five. Maybe she would have competed. Doing this full rewatch, I think she's been the most difficult act for me to decide, how did I feel about this? It's like every time she takes a step forward for me, she takes another step back and it's just really up and down. And she's kind of, she's kind of just a volatile act, but there's, there's moments where I do see the vision that nothing to the level that like the Howies and the Simons saw, but there's like where you're really excited about the potential. And then there's moments where like, just wouldn't have done that. ⁓ to me, she's the most kind of confusing and difficult one of these 10 for me to really put into perspective. What, when you look at her season as a whole, is it just the roller coaster ride that I'm kind of referencing for you too, or, or how do you kind of, when you're to look back on her four performances, like what's the mood? speaker-0: it is a roller coaster. It's a very kiddie roller coaster. I don't think there was the highs. I don't think there was the really highs and really lows. speaker-1: It's a kiddie roller coaster, there's like a thousand corkscrews on the... because you just like... it's madness, but yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. It's not one these, it's like really high and really low, but yeah, it is kind of taken me in some different directions on some things, but I think this is just kind of who she is. It's the singer that she is. It's, she's not going to sing, you know, a we three indie, you know, acoustic set. She's not going to do that. She's a very soulful seventies eighties type singer. She's going to do Tina Turner. She's going to do, um, I don't know. She's a very rock singer. So she's going to need a full band. She needs to move about the stage, standing still and singing just acoustic songs is not what she's going to do. not who she is. speaker-1: Yep. No, and I agree. I would have just been really interested to see what it would have said. speaker-0: I think that would have been a very standout, standout trigger rush environment. So. speaker-1: I disagree. think she's too good of a singer for that. Maybe I just would want to see like a rehearsal of it. Okay. Just been like, what is this? Could she, could she be a legit, just like purely vocalist? ⁓ yeah, I don't know. It was, ⁓ she's a, she's a fascinating piece of the season. How'd she never do a Janis Joplin song? I know. It's a good question. felt like that would have been an, I would have felt like that would have been an easy one. would have made sense. the rights? Yeah, I don't know. She's doing James Brown. Yeah. We never did Janis Joplin. I don't know. We have to hear from Howie because this is his gal. He has staked a lot of his reputation on her finish on this season. So let's hear what he has to say. speaker-0: and yet we're on fire you are on fire you are amazing you're a superstar I love everything about you I love your look I love your style I love your voice I love your performance I think the world is too we are watching a superstar in the making right here on American speaker-1: Last round, he predicted a win. Yeah. He didn't really go there at all with this. Do you think he was just like, don't need to do it again. Or do you think he was sour? Souring is too strong, but was a little less confident in his feelings. What do think? speaker-0: I just don't think he felt he needed to go there again. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, I will say there's also been like three or four superstars. Yeah. And he might've been sitting there being like, ⁓ this is the Brian King Joseph's, the, the Zerker Rose, the Glenis Grace's. This is maybe a little bit more competitive than I thought it was going to be for her. But, ⁓ we have to hear Heidi. Heidi actually made like kind of a thoughtful, interesting point. Shout out Heidi. So let's hear this. speaker-0: Yeah. Well you know the teenagers have been winning America's Got Talent. If you remember last year it was Darcy Lynn. My golden buzzer. that it was Grace Wanderwall. Maybe it will be you tomorrow. time. speaker-1: Shout out Heidi. Maybe context. Yeah. Some like one we never, we rarely get old, you know, previous seasons references, but she's kind of on it. Like that was kind of the thing was like, maybe this will just keep happening and we'll never not have a female kid win the show again. It'll just always for the next hundred seasons. It will just be that like it felt that way. And so for someone to finally kind of break the fourth wall on that doc, cause everybody at home was thinking it. The whole season you're like, ⁓ is this is this just Darcy Lynn and Grace Vanderwall again? It ends up not being that but anything else on Courtney had with speaker-0: So curious to see that we never had a Janis Joplin song sung. Bianca Ryan did it. Semifinals. speaker-1: Which one again? Which song? speaker-0: A Janis Joplin song, Piece of My Heart. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. What, what it was called? Yes. love that. I love that performance. That was my favorite performance. Yeah. She should have done that. That'd have been great. I would say that might be her best comp is Bianca Ryan. would say they, they were cut from a similar cloth. She's 2018 produced more over the top than Bianca Ryan, but one of Bianca Ryan's calling cards is she was kind of a wild child too. And it was kind of fun. So ⁓ an interesting season from Courtney Hadwin. We'll get to some of the context later. Anything else? speaker-0: I had her above Samuel J. Comer. speaker-1: I had her above Sam Comerow and Vicky. So I have her right now, one, two, three, four, fifth on the night of the seven, of the eight. Yeah, we're eight in. All right. Should we look at where the eight of season 11 lies? season 11 passed? Because it was losing after four. speaker-0: Yeah, it's they probably had it back heavy speaker-1: Right. we had, was, it was running, it was running in second to this after four, but has it, has it made its move? So we've had Brian King, Joseph, Daniel Emmett, Vicki Barbalak, ⁓ Gledis Gray, Zerkerow, Sam Comrow, Hadwin, season 11's first eight now, Sal, Sophie, Lincoln Bridge, Laura Baton. Then they went Clairvoyance, Brian, Justin Crumb, Tateface, Victor Key. I think I would take that eight. I think they've. I think they've made their move on the outside ⁓ and have run ahead. And then it's going to be, they're going to close with Dorenbos and Bandarwal. ⁓ right. Mr. Shin Lim is up next. Our winner is here for his finale performance. ⁓ I don't know about the piano opener personally. I'm not sure I would have done it. I didn't love it. I kind of like, I liked the little trick at the end where he's pulling the cards from the dark. But I don't know. It's just not how I like my shin-limb. And I get it. I'm guessing this performance is why he won. I think America was like, finally, floating cards, a card that's like a hologram that spins and stuff. And it's not for me. ⁓ I thought it was a slow start. Like for me, we do the piano. He does that little trick. He goes over, he rolls the dice with Tyra. Tyra picks the card, he gets started, and then they do the zoom in and the music starts and it's just him and his hands again and I'm like, let's go. To me, the performance starts cooking when it's the closeup and I get like a lot of people that probably is the least favorite part of it. I'm just not in love with this, the gimmicky spinning card and the floating stuff. It's just, to me, it's not, it's not pure. unadulterated classy Shin Lim like I like him. I'm interested in your thought. I feel like we've talked about it, but it's been so sporadic over the years. What do you think of this finals performance? speaker-0: think up to this point, I've just already kind of been out on him, but even with him doing kind of this, these types of tricks that I do like, it's just always like, he's doing not fan service, but like, Hey, we're gonna, we're gonna, for you that don't really like, here's some, here's just a little something for you. I know you don't like like this main course, but we're going to kind of give you this little dessert that you might like, that might help bring. I'm like, but you know, you've already kind of fooled me with all the other stuff. So it's like, no, I'm okay. So. I've talked about just that it's not my type of magic and that's fine. And I know that you love it. I know there's lots of people that do love it that's fine as well. It's like comedy. Some people are gonna like this type, some people are not. And so for far as what he's done, it's just not my thing. I want something more flashy, but I want you to be flashy like all the time. I want a Piff, I want a Dorn Boss, I want those type of guys. So for him to kind of then pull these little nuggets into this performance, I was already kind of out anyway. speaker-1: He's diversifying a little bit, but I think... speaker-0: Yeah, and that's fine. speaker-1: I would say that's why you love the other ones though. Yeah. Is they have a, they have some variety to them. Like Dorm Boss's first performance is all just close up magic like this. speaker-0: It's agreed. like the diverse. I'm, I'm scared to say about the diversity, but it's like, I want you to be exciting from the whole time. And just the type of magic that he does is not exciting enough for me. And so, but Dornbos, he gets down there, he's doing the motivational speaking and he's interacting with them. And then he moves on and eventually he does the footballs. And, ⁓ and so all of that is more exciting for me as a viewer to watch than what Shin Lim does. speaker-1: For sure. Like you're not going to catch me saying one bad thing about John Dornaboss. You know, you know, love John Dornaboss. got nothing to say there. ⁓ yeah, it's, it's, it is interesting because I agree. Like we, think we talked about it before the, before we, started recording, like he won twice. No, and what I'm saying is like, and it is a far less like in your face entertainment magic. Like the fact that he won twice. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: It still kind of shocks me every time I think about it. Like, he's a unanimous Hall of Famer and he won the show back to back, and I get it's champions, but two wins is two wins. I kind of can't believe it connected with America to the level it did. Because my gut always is that it's more of you than there is of me watching the show, not on this specific talent. That they want the Dorn Boss, Matt Franco, even the Dustin Tavellas. But apparently there is a real, like he really won people over. And maybe it's, I do think what he does that's better, and I think most people catch on. is the choreographed between the cards and the music and the hand movements. think people really like that part of it. Cause we've seen close up magicians that can't pull that off the way he does, but it's yeah, it's a classical dance version of magic and it for some reason clicked. I liked this performance. have it third on the night behind Glenis and Brian King ahead of Zercherow. I kind of played tennis with this and Zercherow. I was like, I think, I still think this like even the middle minute where he's doing the stuff on the table and there's just nine of hearts appearing. There's about a thousand nine of hearts that somehow show up on that table. He's really great. But ⁓ it's so funny because we have Simon's comments here and it is the juxtaposition where I'm sitting there going, is my least favorite of his season. Actually lowered it from his score. It didn't change the rankings on the leaderboard, but I actually bumped it down from what I had prior. And Simon's like, finally, finally you did what I've been like waiting for, ⁓ which is just so funny to me. But let's hear from Simon. We'll talk about that. speaker-0: My godshin! Mean ⁓ my god ⁓ You have been consistently great. I had one criticism about you throughout the competition, which was your lack of showmanship Tonight thank God you proved me wrong because not only was it an amazing act the whole presentation from the piano to the cards Seeing something I've never seen in my life. This was so good Shin. You know what you could actually win the competition speaker-1: Thank you so much. It was really great and he has been consistently great ⁓ and as much as again, I prefer the first four I also think I probably can recognize that this performance probably really helped him win and that he needed this he needed the floating cards to win over some of the some of the Cody Pattersons ⁓ out there ⁓ and That's what I love about the magic category is you can get to very very different styles of magician, and they both fit in the same category, which I really like. Anything else on Shin Limb? Yeah. speaker-0: For me though the floating cards, it's almost like one of those chicks that you can kind of see speaker-1: That's what I'm saying. I was like, and I think people really did love it, but I'm like, I, you can skip that for me. I want to see, I want to see the judge cut stuff. I want to see what he did last to me to send my finals is his best. But, um, so I had a third on the night. Where do you have it sitting right now? speaker-0: I had a below Glenis above Daniel Emmett. speaker-1: So, fourth right now? it finish fourth for you? Fifth would be my guess. I would say you have Duo Transat ahead of it, who we're about to talk about. And then Michael Ketterer below it. Would be my guess. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah. It does not. one. No, that is, so we've talked Zercherobronking, Vicky, no I have it fifth. Yes, speaker-1: Fifth right now. My guess is it's gonna finish sixth. Would be my guess. That's my guess. That's gonna take us to our... ⁓ sorry. Yes. Our trapeze duo. Duo transcend. ⁓ I was slightly disappointed. speaker-0: Cause you said fourth and so that's why was. Okay. speaker-1: Because I thought they unlocked something in the semis with the addition of the roller skates. And I just liked that better. Not that I don't want them on the trapeze, do, but I want them... Here's my little bit of a gripe with the trapeze. It's limited. You're stuck in this four foot by four, you know, three foot by three foot box. And I get there's probably a thousand nuances and variations of tricks you can do on that trapeze, but they're too hard to mark the differences. The tricks kind of feel the five trapeze performance they did. just, there's not a ton of variance and we're kind of far away. We're zoomed like you can't, we don't getting super close up shots to maybe mark differences. I don't know. I just felt like they left something on the table ⁓ and it didn't even need to be roller skates, but just something. I liked some of their groundwork that they could do. ⁓ I still really love them and I still think this is a really nice performance, but I just felt like. They, they ended up peaking last round. ⁓ what'd you think of, of this performance? speaker-0: I love the performance. I'm with you that I would like to have seen them do something else, but they went back to their roots. They went back to their bread and butter. I appreciate that. I love it. I think they did mix some things up in this performance. The very end she dropped him rather than him dropping her. there's kind of that. And it just feels like they mixed some things in that they may not have done before. And as we've talked, they're believable as a couple. They're trusting each other. There's, it feels like they are one person and not two separate people. And I really, really liked that. ⁓ I, I had it, you're right. I had it a third on the night and third overall. speaker-1: had six on the night. Okay, I had it ⁓ behind Daniel I'm at ahead of Courtney had one. And so six as six up to this point and six on the night because I don't have Michael Ketterer ahead of this. ⁓ Yeah, I just I don't know. I had higher hopes. ⁓ And it ended up me really having to think hard if I thought they were top five of the season. ⁓ You pulled Howie's comments, so let's hear from Howie. speaker-0: Amazing It is amazing and you figure how are they gonna step it up and if I were if I'm correct You were blindfolded the entire time. Yeah, for one trick the entire act and Also the production and everything around it. This is the best show I've ever seen never mind been on I've never been on a show like this. This is amazing Every every act seems like a winning act to me. I am so confused. Good luck America Every act It feels like a winning act. speaker-1: No, no. would say through nine. I would say one, two, three, four acts. felt like we're winning level acts with a couple lagging slightly behind, but yeah, no, I do love them. I think their Champions 2 performance ends up being really valuable to their ⁓ legacy because they end up. Obviously they end up in the bottom five of the season to end up being runner up on a, on a spinoff, even though champions two wasn't, you know, remarkably competitive or anything. ⁓ I thought it was really great for them. They're super likable, ⁓ and easy to root for. And in my opinion, the best version of this, the true trapeze group or duo that we've seen on the show. And I really love them. anything else on duo transcend? Yep. All right. It's going to take us to our final act of the season, Cody. did it. I know how many performances we watched, but it was a lot. And this is, this is what we get to finish with. ⁓ it is Mr. Michael Ketterer. He's going to be performing eight no mountain high enough by Marvin Gaye and Tammy Terrell. Is that correct? That's what the Wiki said. Yeah. speaker-0: That right, yes. speaker-1: I'll say this. Let's do this. So his opening clip. Every time, I mean, the, the, production they give this guy for his opening clips is it's like we're at his canonization ceremony for him being inducted to be a saint and being canonized as a saint. ⁓ we're to hear from our favorite kid from the voices of hope. Yeah. Cody, our fist bumping, teary, he's kid cried every performance. He's fist bumping the comments. We love this kid. ⁓ let's hear from him. Hi Michael, this is your friend John because I've been a patient there Shout out voices. Was it Josh? Yeah. Yeah. Shout out Josh. One of my favorite guys from the whole season. Yeah. His fist bumps during the, I think it was the quarterfinal comments. Yeah. Yeah. Were killing me. He's the best. Some of the best gifts from this season ⁓ would come from Josh. Yeah. Now, and again, it's working like that. That makes you feel good. That's a, ⁓ speaker-0: John. speaker-1: That's a really helpful clip for him getting votes. Yeah. It's like, we love the voice as a Hope kid and he loves Michael Ketterer, so I should love Michael Ketterer. Anything else on the opening clip for him? speaker-0: This may not be the right word, but does it feel like there's a little collusion here with like two people like Michael Ketter takes care of one of the kids. ⁓ speaker-1: Also, they're back. He cut a deal is like, hey, if you if you give me some good press in my opening clip, I'll give you 20 grand of the million. speaker-0: I was just thinking more of he's taking care of one of his competitors. Does it seem like there's a little conflict there? speaker-1: of interest. Yeah, they've been sent home at this point. So maybe yeah, if they were if voice of hope was in. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, no, shout out. Shout out Josh. Okay. Into the performance. Ain't no mountain high enough. He was he was shaky. He was really nervous. Yeah. I don't like when they do the bigger Michael Ketterer behind the regular Michael Ketterer projected on the screen. Yes, we've seen this done. It's almost like a Jarrell head from Star Wars. speaker-0: But up to this point... speaker-1: I feel like Calista Bevy had this in season 11 if I remember correctly. I don't love that the stage the stage production shouldn't be Like the the the decorations shouldn't just be Videos of the person like yeah, me some lighting and stuff like that. don't know. It's kind of just it's kind of weird for me to see I don't know speaker-0: I've commented on this numerous times that it's distracting in that there's always a delay between the person that's on the stage and what you see on the screen. And as a person that works in audio video, I noticed that and it's very distracting for me. They did it with Courtney Hadwin too. So they put Courtney Hadwin up on the screen as well as she was dancing about. I'm not a fan of it. Either fix the delay or don't do it. speaker-1: I would agree. was whelmed by this performance. He stumbled to the finish line. The last 30 seconds he was fighting. ⁓ He's the wrong closer. He's such a lovely person. ⁓ The best human. We would send him to meet the aliens if they landed and be like, this is our ambassador for humanity. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, it's just- such a good dude! speaker-1: Not only, even if he did, even if he nailed this, which I don't think he did, he's not the right singer to be a closer. Correct. Yes. Even if we would have got the best version of Keterer, which I, like I said, I don't think we did. think his auditions, his peak had when Glenis Grace from the pure singers are better options. Brian King, Joseph's music performance was a better option. sorry. Yeah. Sorry. All three of the other solo singers were better closer type, even at all of their best. Keter just was the worst choice, thoughts you had on the performance? speaker-0: No, I'm with you. was well, it was, it felt like an, if, if Glenis Grace is consistent, he's also consistent. He's consistently nervous. He's consistently average. speaker-1: Average. Average, yes. Yes. Yeah. And I appreciate consistency. He doesn't ever really bottom out. Correct. Yeah. He just also never really peaks. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a... speaker-0: There's no peak. He is the Kansas of AGT Singers. speaker-1: Exactly. Like- To me, this was always kind how I felt. Remember Kennedy Dodds? Yes. What season was she again? ⁓ speaker-0: 1416 speaker-1: 15. She was COVID season. She ends up like kind of being like kind of in the middle of the pack on my leaderboard. And I don't really like her that much, but she just never really did anything poor. And she never did, I guess, have like four, two, four, three, four, two, four, two. And it was like four really good middle of the road, maybe slightly above average performance. Like she's one of those great examples that were, she's similar to Kenichi Abina score on my leaderboard, but Kenichi's got a four, six, but he's also got a couple of three nines and then another four, six. There's the some of the some of it is kind of fun when there is that but yeah, no, it's ⁓ yeah, he's just He never really gets me pumped Mel B we have her comments first. Let's hear from her speaker-0: Face it that was a very brave thing to do you stripped it all the way back It was just you and the piano and your voice and that was it Now I'm not sure if it completely 100 % worked or it didn't work, but I know you I felt those comments were... Eh, I felt it was brave. It may have worked. It may not have worked. speaker-1: Well, the comments were I didn't like it and I just don't want to, I don't want to poo poo at this point in the competition, basically. ⁓ integrity. ⁓ we talked about in semifinals one episode, ⁓ the Carmel Antity theory, how quickly in the AGT case, how quickly are we getting to your personality and your, you know, who you are as a person? How quickly are we getting there on our, on our, ⁓ speaker-0: In speaker-1: Accolades for you and she the only night the only good thing she had to say was that he's a person of integrity and I was it ⁓ So he continues to forget that we have to hear from Simon. This is his guy. He can't He can't like talk about him. It's it's unbelievable. Let's see It's crazy. speaker-0: He's always a mess. Okay, Simon, we're gonna end it with you because we have a minute left. Okay, look, this has got nothing to do with the golden buzzer thing, Michael. ⁓ This has been an unbelievable night. The talent's been amazing. It's the best final I've ever been on. Everyone's done an amazing job, but I'm gonna just say how I feel, which is I would love you to... I'd love... I'd love to be able to give your family the million dollars and a chance because... So many people have spoken about you. You are nervous, but that makes you human. And ⁓ let's see what happens. you're a great, great person, Michael. If Michael Ketterer were up for Humanity Award, give it to him. speaker-1: Well, as of this point, but a day later, we'll talk about this in a minute. But yes, but again, the only good thing Simon can say, he didn't even mention how, what he sounded like outside of him being nervous, which is not a compliment either. ⁓ It's all they can say and it's too bad. Cause there actually are some of his scenes, I do like some of the stuff he does. The audition I liked, I think there's some grittiness to his voice that I've enjoyed, but he's just, he's an emotional wreck during his performances and live shows. He couldn't handle the stress of it and the heat. And Simon just like can't talk. would really like to, just, it's like Simon, you're like, you're the greatest, you know, the most iconic reality talent show judge ever. And like this guy just has, he's got a choke hold. It's crazy. ⁓ Anything else on our final performance of season 13? Nope. Congratulations, Tony. did it. speaker-0: I had him, speaker-1: I had him ninth. Okay. So one ahead of Mr. Comro. Who'd you have eight? Who'd you have ninth? Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting. Oh, yeah. Hadwin at least, I thought there was some, it was kind of fun. But yeah, at that point, who cares? Gledis Grace, Brian King Joseph, Shin Lim, Zerker O, Daniel Emmett, Duo Transcend, Courtney Hadwin, Vicki Bar-Black, Michael Ketterer, Sam Comer. That was my 10 on the night. speaker-0: Yeah. And my 10 for the night, pretty, it, matches the 10 for the season. mean, pretty much. Yeah. But I mean, the whole night, kind of matched up. speaker-1: Top five, you're saying, yeah. Yeah, sure. So we'll get to that. Scores, 85. speaker-0: Yes. Look at you, 85! speaker-1: Look at us. Yes. I had it as best of the season. ⁓ I had auditions one, I had an 82. Would you have auditions one? 82. Okay, look at us. ⁓ So top three of the season, I finals, auditions one, which is kind of crazy. Yeah. And then semi-finals one. Those were my top three of the season. I had speaker-0: Finals auditions one and then quarter fine. Sorry same finals to you Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry auditions for ⁓ I had finals auditions one auditions for speaker-1: ⁓ Yeah. It's interesting because you would think if, if I did like auditions one being in our opinion, like the clear cut second best of the season would mean like, Ooh, like what went wrong? The live shows weren't bad. Yeah. The rest of the auditions weren't bad. This was just a really awesome season. What'd you have for your overall? speaker-0: 74.5 overall and a 76.3 for the live show. speaker-1: Yeah, we're right in the same spot. had a 74.75 overall and a 77 even for the live shows. It's just really good. speaker-0: What did you think of Simon saying that this is the best finale? speaker-1: Best final. whatever the best finals. he's wrong. I, again, it's really hard to remember them all. Yeah. But in my head, this is the second best one that I can remember. This was not like crazy far by. This was really great. Like I'm trying to think like, what would I score season 11? Yeah. Probably like a 90. 88 maybe. I think there's a few like I didn't love the Lincoln Bridge performance. Like there's a few things. So yes, this is speaker-0: wrong. speaker-1: If we're doing the horse race between season 11 and season 13, season 11 probably wins by two or three lengths. Yeah. But I'm not, I, I can't think of a recent season that's had a fun, like since season 13, maybe season 14. I probably liked that one quite a bit, even season 12, we've talked about it. The top 10, we didn't like love, love, love. Yeah. We really loved Darcy land. really liked Angelica hail. You love preacher. Um, you know, there's light balance was great. Like there was some top end, but, but yeah, no, I mean, He said there's crazier statements. Season 11 was the best, but yeah. speaker-0: And he doesn't have his rankings like there in front of him either. speaker-1: Right, yeah, he's just kind of saying stuff. this was... Let's do this. If you would have before the episode, if you had to guess what you thought your score was going to be, this end up being where you thought or even better than what you thought it was. speaker-0: I think going into it, was probably already in the 80 range. Yes. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. I would say this, this lived up to probably what I thought it was going to be maybe even slightly a little bit better, but, ⁓ all right. Should we get to results? We got all sorts of stuff. ⁓ boy. Cody, this is one of, this was, this is maybe my favorite results episode I've ever watched. Okay. Actually I didn't watch. only watched the last 20 minutes. speaker-0: watched the beginning, we started off with kiss who we got a reference from kiss reference a few episodes ago. speaker-1: We did start off with Kip. Glenis Grace's performance. Kiss Howie and Mel performed. Baby Rexha, we had the Struts, Policito Domingo, David Spade, Garth Brooks was here, Lindsey Stirling came back. ⁓ Shin Lim did a magic trick for Tyra and two guys from a morning show, I think, or something. ⁓ They had a most memorable contestants bit. Hans made it. Sethward made it. Yumbo Dump made it. Alex Hooper made speaker-0: Some of the legends, speaker-1: Oliver Graves made it. would say it's a pretty solid list. Should we get into the actual results here? So there's no Duncan save. Obviously there's no judge's choice. So we are just into results and it's just going to be one versus one doing one V one results. First, first group called forward, Zurk row and do a trend send. This is the send to the top five. Or who would you have sent through with that pairing? speaker-0: It's close, I probably would have sent Zekera through. speaker-1: Yeah, I agree. And that is, that is who's going to go through. ⁓ next up is Brian King and Glenis Grace. This is a, this was a knife to the heart. ⁓ this is, these are two great, great acts. Brian King Joseph's going to go through. ⁓ that is, they're just so great. ⁓ next up was Daniel Emmett and Shin Lim. ⁓ it's going to obviously be Shin. ⁓ and then it's Sam Comrow, Vicki Barbalak. So they went comedians. Never in a million years would I have guessed Vicki would have lost this one on one. speaker-0: What's a both of you situation? speaker-1: It's crazy. I wouldn't have her in the top five, but based off of this competition between these two, this is just the wrong result. Correct. Yes. It's a miscarriage of justice. But Sam Comerow is headed to the top five and then boy, shout out Jason Raff and company because pairing Courtney Hadwin and Michael Kettering together for the final result to get the top five is just choice, choice television. Howie and you can feel the palpable buzz down at the table. There's some tension between Howie and I mean, this is just a, this is basically a Howie versus Simon results. No, no, no, no, no. It's, it's warfare down there. It's ⁓ It's war. I personally would take Courtney Hadwin in this one-on-one. don't think either of them are top five acts, but I would take Courtney Hadwin. It is going to be Michael Ketterer. So shout out Howie. ⁓ speaker-0: No hugs. And no hugs to be seen. speaker-1: predicted a win and the semis screamed and hugged in the quarters and she's headed home with 15 minutes left of results. That's a tough hit, And I get she was very exciting, to be, I mean, that's a pretty big miss. At best she finished sixth is tough. speaker-0: Yeah, it's either one credit to production or to the performers themselves. When you look at each one of these matchups and you think it could be either one. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They did a good job pairing. thought it was a good pairing. So I would say Daniel, I'm at Shinlam. think people at home probably are like, one, they were very on similar acts. I'm surprised they didn't do Glenis versus, I guess they both went home. Yeah. Kind of weird, but anyway. So Courtney had one, Daniel, I'm at duo transcend Glenis, Grace and Vicki Barblack. There's some acts in there I really love ⁓ that are in the bottom five. Your top five of the season. is in fifth place. Let's hear it, Cody. It's one of the all-time great gaffes in AGT history. speaker-0: The act, finishing in fifth place and leaving the competition is... speaker-1: The still frames, if you can actually ever watch that actual video is remarkable. They cut to Keterer, who has just been eliminated in the tone of voice that you would get, that you would win a million dollars. He turns, I think Sam Comrose, who was standing next to him and goes, Oh, I'm going home. It means I'm going home. Yeah. He, he was fooled by the switcheroo in Tyra's voice. They cut to Simon. Simon's kind of got the, he's doing the, you gotta be kidding me. He wasn't, he didn't, he didn't appear mad. He looked like, are you, you, like, are we being serious right now? Like you've gotta be kidding me. Can I play? Can I, can I defend Tyra? Sure. Can I devil's advocate here? This is an unacceptable foible. I'm not, I'm not going to say it's not. speaker-0: Absolutely. speaker-1: The last thing she just did was announced Michael Ketterer in the top five. She just did the last act heading into the top five is, and it was Michael Ketterer versus Courtney Adwin. And she yelled, Michael Ketterer. The exact same thing. I think she just got caught in the kind of the muscle memory of what she just did. It can't happen. Yeah. We can't do it. We can't have. the people on stage confused at what that result just meant because you said it wrong. And it's funny. She comes over to talk to Ketterer before they send them off. And she's kind of like stumbling, like, ⁓ boy, she knows she just really screwed that up. Simon is furious. You pulled Simon because he's, know, he's got to talk about his guy one last time. So let's hear from Simon. speaker-0: I mean, I'm speechless Simon. This is your guy. What do you have to say? He's in fifth place. What can I say? Michael all I can tell you is you know look a competition is a competition you could not have done anymore ⁓ After the performance you did tonight with the song that Garth wrote for you I hopefully and I believe it will change your life ⁓ speaker-1: to perform that song with him on October the 20th at Notre Dame. speaker-0: continue this relationship you have been an absolute star thru out I'm so sorry you didn't make it but it's the way it goes you still have the hearts of all of America actually globally so you'll be fine you'll be fine okay good luck unpack all of that speaker-1: Oh man. So let's do this right now. He did not end up performing October 23rd with Garth Brooks at Notre Dame. Um, the following day, and I don't know if it was morning or day or what Michael Ketterer was arrested on Mr. Meener misdemeanor domestic violence charges. Um, not great for a lot of reasons. There's a ton of reasons why that sucks. I'm guessing Simon did not continue. this relationship after that. Yeah. From what we read, the charges eventually were dropped. was a dispute or an argument between him and his wife. I mean, there's video of him in handcuffs getting put in a cop car the day after this. It's whatever transpired after that. The irony of it is if you wrote that into a script, Hollywood would be like, well, this is just foolish. Like this would never happen. This is this guy that we just spent you and I here 10 weeks and months and months in the actual summer that year being like, we found humanity's best. then he gets arrested the next day. It's not funny because of the charges, but it's, it's unbelievable, Cody. And the fact that it ends up falling apart within 24 hours. for him is really shocking and sad and a bummer. yeah, of course, I felt bad for Simon. never have predicted this. All the signs pointed to him to being like a really kind of squeaky clean great guy. we couldn't even make it a one earth rotation without it falling apart. yeah, so Garth and him never. The performance that never was, it never, ⁓ never transpired. Anything else on Michael Ketterer's rap to the season? Fifth place. Stunned crowd. And I was trying to figure out like, what, what were they stunned about? And I think it was cause Sam Comer was still in the competition more than that he was fit. really do because Sam Comer was about to be announced fourth. Normally Sam Comer. ⁓ she did not, she did not do it excitingly. And the judge is kind of like, ⁓ okay, there we go. Finally. Like. Given, you know, handshakes and knuckles down there, like we did it, we got rid of this guy. Not that they didn't like him, but it was clear like this guy. How is he fourth is kind of the sentiment and I think the crowd felt the same way. speaker-0: You know, I felt the same way when Sarah and Hiro were finally eliminated. Sure. Because I was like, how are they continuing to keep going? It's quiet. Yeah. speaker-1: Detroit Youth. Anna de Guzman for me, some of those names. ⁓ Cause there was like palpable boos when Ketterer got sent off. yeah. Shocked. It was, and I think it was the comro piece more because these top three is really great. ⁓ third place is going to be Mr. Brian King Joseph, our violinist, a great, a great run for him. Third place is a really good finish on this season. Cause this is a great season and I'm happy that he made it that far. ⁓ it's down to Mr. Shin Lim and, and, ⁓ Tyra's golden buzzer, Zerkerow. speaker-0: So, stop. speaker-1: Let's hear the announcement of the winner of Season 13. speaker-0: Congratulations to both of them for an incredible season. who has America chosen as the winner? Good luck to both of you. America has voted. you Shit! speaker-1: We did it. Yes. He actually won. can't believe it. Shen Lim is your winner. Zercherow runner up. ⁓ they put them on, they hoisted them up. Zercherow went and picked them up. He's like, yeah, like, ⁓ like a coach that just won the Super Bowl. Yeah. He's like Rudy. ⁓ shout out to Zercherow. They didn't seem devastated at all. think the kids are like, thank God we don't have to go perform in Vegas. but yeah, no, I mean, this was, ⁓ an incredible speaker-0: Great. speaker-1: Like, it's an all time screen grab results episode. Some fascinating results in here. ⁓ Shin Lim, Zerker O, Brian King, Joseph, Sam Comerow, and Michael Ketterer. Cody, your top five of the season. Let's do this. Who did you have in fifth place? I had, this was the hardest results choice I had to make. I picked Daniel Emmett fifth. I was deciding between him and Duo Transcend. And I just felt like this performance from Daniel Emmett was better. Okay. Who did you have in fourth place? speaker-0: I had Vicki Barbalak in fourth place. speaker-1: I had Zerkerow. Yeah. Fourth. ⁓ speaker-0: So now these are who I would vote for. Correct. Correct. Yep. This is who I would vote for. speaker-1: Yes. Yeah. Yes. This is if they were like, you get to pick the order. It's up to you. You're the czar of the season. This is your order. My fourth, my fifth place and fourth place reflected the evening. ⁓ those who, those were my fifth and fourth performances. The rest does not reflect the evening. Who did you have third place? Okay. I had Mr. Brian King Joseph actually agreed with that result. Your runner up. speaker-0: I had Duo Trans in in third place. I had Brian King Joseph as the runner. speaker-1: Okay, I had Glenis Grace as the runner-up of the season and your winner Cody. Zerkerow. And obviously I had Mr. Shintlim. ⁓ So in our top five, we didn't have any, we had no similarities from the actual finish, correct? But we both had Brian King, right? Yep. We both had Zerkerow. Did you have Glenis? I did. So we agreed on three of the five. I would have put, I don't know if you finished six through 10, I would have put, do a Transcend sixth. speaker-0: That's it. Okay, I had Shin Limit 6. speaker-1: Shin Limb six. I would add had win seven. Okay, I would have Barbalac eight. I had Keterer nine. ⁓ And then Sam Comerow. Look at us. We agreed on Sam Comerow. Is that the only one we agreed on? so. Comerow ten. Yeah. If you could just top your head, you know, don't get too worried about being correct. If you could sub out Sam Comerow for one of the acts we lost in the semis, who would you have brought in? speaker-0: Hi Daniel, limit at seven. Michael Kitter at eight. Hadwin at nine. I have to go back and look at my semi- throw me some names. speaker-1: to throw you some o- ⁓ We three, Aaron Crow, Junior News System, Da Republic. speaker-0: I don't know. Cause Aaron Crow kind of let me down. really liked his judge cuts. that was, we talked, that was definitely. speaker-1: That was me. I can give you a few more. Yeah. Manda Manda, Michaela Phillips. I took the choirs. And then the two choirs. Yes. Probably Voices of Hope, right? Yes, that's the I think we ended up liking them. Yeah. I think that's a fair choice too. Yeah. There's, but this was a great final and this was a really fun season. We'll get into some of the deeper stuff in it the segments. Anything else on results, scores, congrats to Shin Lim. ⁓ We did it, Cody. No. We crowned a champ. All right. speaker-0: Take one of the qu- speaker-1: Let's take a personal break here. ⁓ and then when we come back, we will wrap up with the segments. Most rewatchable performance of the finals, What did you have for this? speaker-0: I think I had Brian King Joseph. speaker-1: I kicked it around. settled on Glenis, but I have no problem with that. I think there's a different award for Brian that I would have put potentially, but yeah. No, I think I had those as the two best. So, Howie Mandel Memorial Good Judging Moment Award. I'll throw a couple out. Yeah. Simon with Glenis Grace. I thought he did a nice job there. I thought Mel B's Michael Ketterer. She was a little wishy washy, but... The fact that she was wishy washy was good enough for me because no one seemed to want to kind of critique him and she was just kind of not into it. Yeah. And that came through. What did you have for good judging? speaker-0: Struggle with good judging because I didn't think there was like good good judging with it being the finals. It's hard Yeah, so I'm just gonna say I didn't really have much because there's not really good speaker-1: We've talked about that. There shouldn't be standout judging in the final. Yeah, how about bad judging? I thought Simon Daniel Emmett bothering to mention the suit coat wasn't the juice wasn't worth the squeeze speaker-0: Yeah. And I don't know if this is more on judging or more on production or Tyra, but not allowing Howie. speaker-1: I had that yeah, like we didn't hear him for Vicky at all. Yeah crazy Okay, the tire banks Memorial bad hosting moment award. Okay, the results in general. Yeah, Michael Ketterer clip is probably the Musician I would say I mentioned your thoughts on this because she's had a thousand dumb things foibles annoying things throughout the season But none of them really carried stakes I Would say the Ketterer result mess-up might be the biggest gaffe in hosting history. It completely ruined a very important moment of the season. Again, it'd be one thing if she announced him fifth and she misread the card and he was like the winner or something. That would have been way worse. But I mean, was, it was really bad and felt like the final straw for Simon. speaker-0: Yeah, because if she'd read it normally and then everyone was like, ⁓ and everyone's in shock, then we don't think about it much. Reading the wrong name, I don't think is on her. That would be more on production. Cause I think she's got a card with a name. speaker-1: Right. I would hope. Yeah. I feel like it'd be a foolish to, cause then she would have seen it and she would know. Right. speaker-0: between her a new card each time speaker-1: Yes. So I'm trying to think five, six, seven, eight, nine different, nine different results cards. gets to open. Yes. The five results of who's going through the fifth, fourth, third, and the winner. Yeah. Which cause they never announced the actual runner up. yeah. Tough, tough for Tyra. What a season. Should we do a quick 30 seconds on Tyra? Well, just on the totality of her season. speaker-0: What do you want to do? speaker-1: What an awful, awful host she is. And some of it is in the best way. there was, mean, Simon was like, when he got really annoyed in the semis and then the final straw there, I'll give you two, two, seconds on your overarching. What will you remember about the Tyra Banks season? speaker-0: I mean, the... she is kind of entertaining with all of her like voices and just being crazy. speaker-1: She's got like a ton of vocal stands for no reason. speaker-0: She's got a lot of writing to think, whereas Terry, I mean, Terry doesn't make mistakes, but I think, I think I want a- He's kind of boring. He's kind of boring, right. He's kind Yeah, so. speaker-1: At she's not boring. She's still the worst host we've had because the gaffes and the foibles are just... speaker-0: Could you imagine a world where we get her and then we get Julianne and ⁓ all of the three of them in one scene? speaker-1: Like if the panel if the if the the setup was Tyra hosting they had Julianne Gabrielle Sophia and Heidi yes, And that just sounds like we don't like women and that's not the case here. I swear to God ⁓ but yeah, no, it's ⁓ Shout out Tyra. Yeah, it was good to do a Tyra season. When's the next time we get when do we when we're one season 12? Cuz there's own that'll be the next time got it slated for the spring of 2031 We get a little break from Tyra. It's gonna be good to see her Yeah Oops, all right most unique talents and entertaining of the episode I'm Brian King Joseph is the most unique at a hard time. This was not a particularly like original unique right episode We've kind of gotten rid of all of them speaker-0: So we got a little break. have some rewatchable six in five times speaker-1: Dual Transcend was pro- maybe it's Vicky? Very unique comic performance. What do you think for most unique? speaker-0: still feel like zerkero up there i don't think there's other dance crews that do what they do speaker-1: ⁓ sorry. I was thinking to do triton. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Most talented I had Glenis Grace in this episode is the most talented. Yeah, how about you? Brian King Joseph put on the most entertaining. Yes. Yeah. Okay He's probably the star too of this episode You had him runner-up, correct? I did. Yeah, and you had who'd you have winning? Zerker ⁓ yeah I think it's him or in my opinion glass grace. Those are two his speaker-0: to get on board that, yeah. He did put on this episode yes speaker-1: what they did with the lighting and all of it. just was, he just stole. speaker-0: the in the entrance, the performance was so original with the entrance and coming up the elevator. speaker-1: It's super memorable, really memorable. Way more memorable than Gladys' performance. Sandro Trio Russian Bar Moment for unintentional comedy results. I think is an easy answer. Did you have any other unintentional comedy that popped up for you? speaker-0: think Simon trying to knock the coat and then sure yeah and then all the ladies just be like what do mean fashion you don't know anything about fashion speaker-1: Simon's blubbering with Michael Ketterer makes me laugh. The irony is it's not unintentionally comedic, but it is ridiculous. All right. We got a lot here in the history lesson. So no blind side tonight. We bypass blind side because we've got, this will be one of the longer history lessons of all time. We now have eight, we have seven acts on the leaderboard that have both been fully ranked by us and eighth where you'll wrap up with your Sam Comrow. We're leaving Vicki Barblack and Danny on it out because we both agree that at some point in the next couple of years, going to do, we'll do their rewatchable. We've decided we don't think Sam Comrow needs a rewatchable. And so this, this works out. We'll go in order of the night. So Brian King Joseph was first up. I had this performance Cody at a 4.7. Do you remember? speaker-0: Is this the one I did a 499? Is this the 499? speaker-1: 99, are you wanting to stick? speaker-0: No, that's it. That's it's a 499 for speaker-1: You think it's a 49 you don't want to go like even 49, 495. Nope. What would the what was the point oh one that would have made it a perfect five like what was it missing for you? speaker-0: It is a fort- WHAT I'm just saying, again- No, no, no, I'm waiting- I don't know. I don't remember what it would- I don't know what it would do to get to the perfect five. speaker-1: Out of curiosity. Yeah ⁓ speaker-0: It's close. mean, yeah. speaker-1: No. Yeah. Hey, okay. Shout out. So he finishes for you. I will get to the fit where they're at on the lead board. Um, Glenis Grace next. Um, I had this at a 4.7 as well. So actually had her and Brian King Joseph's an equally good performance. I just preferred hers. Where do you think you have this? speaker-0: I think I'm in there's four seven two. I think I'm in that ballpark. speaker-1: So you have it at a four, five, six. Would you like to edit that? speaker-0: I want to go up to a four, six, three. speaker-1: 463 that is not going to move her up. So she stays. There was quite a gap there. Not quite a gap, but a relative gap. Zercher. I had this at a 4.4. What do think you had for your career? You know, 438. Yeah, to edit. speaker-0: 4-5. It's better than that four, five, two. speaker-1: All right, that's going to move them up a little bit. So let me edit that quick. Whoopsies, didn't need to open the dictionary. Just one spot, just one spot. Did move ahead a piff. ⁓ no, sorry. Three, ⁓ two spots up, two spots up. speaker-0: It's okay to be ahead of Piff. I'm okay with that. speaker-1: Yeah, no, I think certainly should be. Okay. Mr. Sam Comerow, I had this at a three at a 3.5. Do you want your what you'd given the first four? 43642144 and a four which I think you were generous in my opinion, but that's okay. speaker-0: 3 3 9 9 speaker-1: 399? Yeah. speaker-0: I think as a finals performance, this is not great. speaker-1: I would agree. All right, let me do that. So that is going to allow me to put him into the database here. There we go. All right, we will talk about where that puts him here in just a minute. ⁓ ⁓ Shin Lim. I had this at a 4.7, same score as Glenis and Brian King Joseph. I like the other two slightly better. ⁓ Where, what do you think you had for old Shin's performance? speaker-0: 463. speaker-1: Yeah, you had it an even 4-8. Okay with that. You had it as highest of the season, tied with, actually no, you his audition. You're comfortable with the 4-8? Yeah. Okay. All right. It's going to take us to Miss Courtney Hadwin. I had this at a 4.1. What do think you had for Miss Hadwin? You had a 4-3. Good with that. Good there. Okay. Do a transcend. I had this at a 4.3. What do you think, Cody? speaker-0: for two. Yeah, I'm okay. four or five. speaker-1: Right on. Okay. And you're good there. Yes. And then Michael Cattaro to finish. I had it at a 4.1. speaker-0: I think I'll set it at 4.1. speaker-1: It is four even. speaker-0: Yeah, I'm okay with that. speaker-1: All right. So where do these eight fit on leaderboards and be interested to see what you think. I obviously have Shin Lim first, ⁓ on my leaderboard. You currently have him eighth. One ahead of Paul Zurn and one behind William Close. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Glenis Grace. So I believe before the season started, I had her 18th, I think, or 19th. I to see what you think. She's moved up. I've made some alterations. Where do you think she's sitting now? speaker-0: 15. speaker-1: I've moved her up to fifth. Woe is right. She's going to need to be on a Hall of Fame ballot now, ⁓ potentially even for this year. We'll talk about that in a couple weeks. One ahead of Paul Zerdin, one behind Grace Vanderwaal. I think she has a perfectly good argument. Now there's a drop off from Vanderwaal to her. I think she has a perfectly good argument as the best singer we've ever heard on the show. ⁓ I just couldn't avoid it any longer. I was too harsh. speaker-0: Whoa! speaker-1: She's perfect. She's really flawless. speaker-0: So who dropped out of the top 10? speaker-1: So William Close went from, he was 10th, now 11th. ⁓ Where do you think you have her? And make sure to see if you want to stick with it or you want to make any alterations. ⁓ you have her 19th. You're comfortable with that? One behind the clairvoyance, one ahead of Bianca Ryde. speaker-0: Yeah, see the clairvoyance need to be re-scored. Yeah. But- speaker-1: Bianca Ryan, you're comfortable one ahead of her. Brian King Joseph. I have him 16th. Cody, where do think you have him? You have him 28th. Yeah, that's 10 spot, nine spots behind you. Even with the 499. Okay. So you gave his quarters a 425. Okay. Which I agree is the worst of the season, but you have it like two tenths worse than anything else. Would you like to potentially alter that? speaker-0: 13. with the 499? speaker-1: Feels like you want him to move up. Sorry, you? Yeah, yeah, 425. Yeah. So, where do you think... speaker-0: do want him to move out. Let's go with even four or five. speaker-1: Okay, so we'll go 4.5. speaker-0: So what does that put with the rest of the scores? speaker-1: So that now is third. So your auditions is a 442 and your judge cuts is a 446. speaker-0: It just needs to be slightly lower than the. speaker-1: Do you want to move those up or move that back? So like a 4-4 even? speaker-0: I want to move that back down. Yeah, 4-4. Yeah, there we go. speaker-1: Alright, that is gonna move him up, but it's only gonna move him up one spot. So he's 20... it's 27th now. speaker-0: ⁓ that's weird. speaker-1: You could raise I think your judge cuts is too low personally, okay if I had to make an edit But again, this is your yeah, this is your leaderboard. Are you sticking with it? All right, cuz you have him second you have Glenis Grace fourth on the season Yeah, and ten spot there eight spot difference. So all right Zercherow I have them 30th on my leaderboard. Where do think you have Zercherow Cody? speaker-0: Stick with it for now. 21st. speaker-1: 30th. See, this is where my confusion comes in. Because you have Shin Lim in sixth in the season and eighth all time. And he got Zerker as a winner and 30th all time. Now, leaderboard is not indicative of necessarily, but do you want to make, do you want to get them higher in 30th? Do you want to do this later? Maybe do this in our, in our spring cleaning episode or something. speaker-0: Yeah. because still needs to be higher than probably Brian King Joseph. speaker-1: Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. duo transcend. have them 57th on my leaderboard. Cody, any guesses? speaker-0: I don't know 25th speaker-1: Yeah, 34th. It's not bad. Courtney had when I have 68th. Just reminder, you have 59th. speaker-0: How many are on my board? ⁓ Fortieth. speaker-1: Yeah, good guess. 36. Ketwer, I have 83. speaker-0: 50. speaker-1: 51st. And then Sam Comrow, I have 1 44th. What do you think? 50th. Okay. Do you want? speaker-0: 53rd, I don't know So he's 50th and... he's 51st. speaker-1: Do you want to make an edit to that? Fair enough. speaker-0: No, think that's fine, yeah. When I get down to that point, it's like, ⁓ speaker-1: Yeah, who cares? That's the leaderboards. Let's talk about this quickly. The horse race of, of season 13. Yeah. Right. It ends up being these 10. There's other ones that were running there, but when you look at kind of the jockeying of the season, Hadwin jumped out to an incredible start, but she ran out of gas. And I was trying to figure out like where it went wrong. I think that, I think people just wore a little thin. Maybe it was that she was becoming self-aware. Shin Lim was a dark horse for me. That he got the votes. I never doubted the town. I felt like running into the night, if I had to predict what America was going to do... That part's really hard of trying to put myself in 2018 or put this season in 2026. I think if I would have guessed on our Rye Analytics pod and we were doing our guess, I think I would have thought Zercaro had pulled ahead in the season and that's who America was going to like the best. How would you have viewed the home stretch of this horse race if you were trying to get in the minds of what America was going to do? speaker-0: realized that I cannot get in the minds of what America is going to do. I have tried and I have just come to the realization I cannot predict what I think America is going to do. speaker-1: So fade your ideas. So whatever you actually think would happen, flip them maybe. Yeah, no, I just think like in the race, like I think Hadwin was in the lead at one point. I think Zerkerow was in the lead at one point. I even think Brian King Joseph might have been in the lead at some point. Yeah. And then I think for me, Glenis was, but I don't think America ever viewed her as that. And then at some point Shin Lim, I don't know, he's a closer. There was no Seabiscuit in this season. speaker-0: Yeah. Joe Turnstin was up there. speaker-1: Darcy Lynn and Grace Vander will were kind of Seabiscuit. Yeah. They were just, they were just running ahead of everybody. yeah, no, a very, and I like that. I like when it's neck and neck shin wins by a half length or something. I like that. It felt intense. ⁓ and I really enjoyed it. Maybe even Ketterer was in the lead at some point. I don't know, but, ⁓ speaker-0: I could not imagine a world where he was actually in the league. speaker-1: Yeah, Sam Comerow, he was fourth. Maybe he wasn't a lead at some point. I don't know. ⁓ Where'd it go? All right, we've got some season rankings to chat about. First of all, we'll just do of the three full season rewatch. This one is running laps, at least on mine and same with yours. I had a seven, four, seven, five, like we said, season 10, I had a 68, five and a 65, one for season five. So this is running circles. Oops. I've added some, data points to get sort of an aggregate score of seasons. So with the new scores factored in, some of the rankings may have switched and things like that. Where do you think season three now sits in my all time season rankings? Look at you right on season 11, season 12, season nine, season 13. So that's kind of, that's kind of where we're sitting. It, the, the kind of the three metrics. speaker-0: course. speaker-1: what is that metric? Oops. What is that again? ⁓ speaker-0: good podcasting everyone. speaker-1: This is really good podcasting. Why can't I remember? Why can't I remember what that third number is? Um, nevermind. Not worth it, but, um, yeah, fourth, um, slightly ahead of season seven. So I really enjoyed this Cody. this was a really well done season auditions and semi-finals finals. The quarter finals left some to be desired from a. speaker-0: Or if you can see the wheels turning. speaker-1: When I look back at it, we talked about the horse race. The other part of a season then is like what. Everything else, the production of it, the judges. think about, I do my requiem for the season every year on Twitter at the end. And I kind of give my overarching thoughts. The, the judge panel is a good panel. Would you agree? speaker-0: This was a good panel, yes. speaker-1: I they underperformed their potential though. One we never seem to hear from Howie. Simon was kind of all over the place. We had some weird episodes in the middle of live shows. It's a bad host, but I think good judges. Production there's some things that really liked and I'm interested to see the lack of fluff I Really like that outside of this start of this episode. We got into the performances fast. Yeah speaker-0: I I love swimming finals one and two where we, Tyra came out, here are the judges, here's your first act. speaker-1: Yeah, I thought they did a great job with that. Staging, I thought they some really fun stuff. They were really swinging for the fences, lasers, fire, all that kind of stuff I thought was really good. speaker-0: use of the doors, the way the doors work to these. speaker-1: When the doors worked, uses of the doors, uses of pedestals rising and floors, right? They did a lot of cool stuff visually. think America did a pretty good job voting. Sam Comerow I don't think belonged to the finals, but I think there was at least seven or eight or nine that belonged in the, like the 10 they got. You obviously disagree with the winner result, but like even in the top five, there's some, like they got a lot of really great acts into the top five. There wasn't like this dud. Like I think the top three ends up being really important and those are three great acts, three all timers. Shout out America, I thought they voted pretty well. speaker-0: Yeah, I want to say that I'm not against the Right? You have done. It's not what I have done, but it's not like, it's not like the Olathe dog's winning. That's completely different. I'm okay. I'm okay with him winning. speaker-1: I just not what you You see the vision for the votes. speaker-0: get it. I see. understand the talent. It's just not my thing. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, the Olathe dogs the Dustin Tevella's Yes Some of those types of names the Kevin Skinners. Yeah So that all, thought, I thought they did a good job. Um, and I just never felt like we really, uh, the auditions were really well done too. And maybe we haven't talked in a while. That second round of auditions just really helps a season that judge cuts is just really important. Whether it's judge cuts or anything else, um, makes for a really great season. Any other final overarching dots you're, you're owed to season 13. speaker-0: The format of Judge Cuts as well is just great TV with the guest judges, the format they have it in where it's not, it's not montaged. They've got, they've actually got structured acts coming out and doing full performances. It's, it's, think it's important for a TV viewer. It lets us then get ⁓ more familiar with the acts. Whereas in the current seasons, I don't feel like we're getting that. familiarity with the acts as much. We'll see an act in audition one and then boom, live show. speaker-1: Yep. I agree. I agree. So this was great. ⁓ Appreciate you coming along for the ride. We had a lot of fun. ⁓ Should we wrap with some housekeeping stuff here? speaker-0: through housekeeping and what's coming up. speaker-1: So I've really enjoyed these full season rewatches when obviously they're going to be sticking around. ⁓ we're making a slight edit, at least the plan as of now. So we did two this off season. We're going to be shifting to one. We're going to keep it in the spring next to plan right now, next off season, we're going to stretch it to 12 instead of 10 episodes. So we spread it out a little bit more, cover a little more ground. Not quite overload as many episodes into one, give us a little bit more time to talk about it, but still crunching the season down, but Maybe just not quite as tight. The plan as of now, Cody, do you remember what, what season we're planning to do in the spring? speaker-0: 15. speaker-1: Yes. Yeah. So we are headed back to old summer of 2020, Cody, and maybe we'll have to call Selena and have her come back on and talk about, yeah. I'm, really interested. I don't remember a lot of it. I really don't. remember Danelia Tula show of us, you know, won me over. speaker-0: Simon's out. Most of this. speaker-1: Simon just leaves. We're inside, we're outside, there's no crowd. speaker-0: Kelly Clarkson, we're going to get, ⁓ speaker-1: There's 19 seasons. Yeah, and then there's season 15. Yeah, it's it's complete and owns it's it's it's a different show speaker-0: It's what we have 15 we have one. So one of the yes. speaker-1: But even one is way closer to the other 18 than it is to season 15. I'm really excited to revisit it. We have a really interesting winner. Obviously there's a lot going on in the world at the time. ⁓ I feel like we're removed, we'll be end up being six seasons removed from it now to be unfresh enough in our minds. There's a lot that I forgot. Broken roots just somehow, there's a lot. So I'm really looking forward to it. So that's the plan there. speaker-0: This is Daniel in it journey. speaker-1: Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. So, ⁓ I'm looking forward to that on a more immediate note, ⁓ moving, ⁓ into the last few weeks of the off season here. So next week you are going to get, so last year we did a Jeopardy episode. You'll recall we have had a hard time tracking down, got people to sit in the Jeopardy chairs alongside Cody. ⁓ no, they're, they're too afraid of Cody. So we're pivoting. We're going to stick in the, uh, um, in the game show, uh, category and we're going to stay on that trope. We are going to be doing Cody is going to be participating in who wants to be an AGT millionaire, uh, is, is what we're going to, um, is what we're going to title this, uh, this thing. There's going be a lot of stuff that go into it on a rules wise, so we don't need to get into it now, but. Cody's just gonna, he's gonna answer a bunch of questions that I throw at him and see how many can get right. And I'm looking forward to that. I think that'll be fun, Cody. So that's going to be next week. We'll Cody and I will record that. ⁓ Who W who wants to be in AGT, AGT million, millionaire release. There we go. So that's going to be coming up. We're also going to then wrap up. We've got Cody, we struggled to get listener submitted questions, but Reddit has a lot of interesting threads, random questions on there, hypotheticals. So Cody and I are going to do a deep dive and talk about some of the hypotheticals that might be out there on Reddit, some thoughts and stuff and share our thoughts. I think that'll be a fun episode, Cody. It's a bit of, it's kind of a mailbag episode, just a little tailored, constructed a little different, but that'll be kind of. speaker-0: Yeah, we're gonna break into the post office and steal the mail. No one's sending us mail. So we're just gonna steal other people's mail. speaker-1: So we'll get into a bunch of stuff there. We'll kind of see how long that episode runs. And then we're going to wrap up with right now it's called the spring cleaning episode. We're just going to do some miscellaneous stuff to wrap up the off season. We're going to clean up Cody's leaderboard a little bit. Some of that kind of stuff. And that'll be as of now plan to be the the final episode of what an off season, Cody, 25, 26 off season has been very fun. So We'll also be recording our ballot reveal that'll come out in October or November, whatever it is. So we're get that taken care of too. ⁓ any other housekeeping stuff to talk about before we get out of here? speaker-0: have seen the Texas Tenors when this comes out. speaker-1: Yes, you're seeing them the third, correct? Yes. Yes, you will have... speaker-0: Maybe get my Texas Tenors thoughts and. speaker-1: Yeah, no, got it. mean, we got to hear what you thought of the show. Yeah, Cody's going to where is it at? speaker-0: It's near me. It's like a half hour from my house. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. So you're going have a lot of fun. That's going to be a, that'll be a great show for you. So, ⁓ yes, this will come out the Thursday after your, ⁓ after your attendance there. ⁓ so yeah, we've got a few, this is kind of the point off season where we do a couple of random things and wrap up. So looking forward to trying some new stuff and beta testing, some ideas and things like that. So Cody, what a journey. See shadow season 13. You were very entertaining. ⁓ she sure, she sure was a good season. So, ⁓ Anything else? Otherwise you can just sign us out here. Yeah. speaker-0: So you can find us on our socials at a GT time pod. can email us a GT time pod at gmail.com. Go check out our new website, a GT time pod.com. And of course you can find commentary out there at a GT comment or come follow us. Cause we're getting ready to start season 21. You want to follow us on the socials. Cause we're going to be when, um, when season 21 hits, we're going to be out there every Tuesday night talking about the acts and, um, putting our thoughts out there. So everyone have a great night.