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CultXCosmic: 90's Night! Pt 3 · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Number one Nickelodeon, and you won't know my name is
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  Speaker 1: the law.
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  Speaker 2: But I lay my fender upon.
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  Speaker 3: As a.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to Getberger home out the Getburger.
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  Speaker 5: Can't I take yards? You can take a manager.
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  Speaker 2: Sit right there, I'll tell you how it became the
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  Speaker 2: prince of a town.
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  Speaker 4: Called bel Air.
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  Speaker 6: Cobain's body was found in a house in Seattle on
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  Speaker 6: Friday morning. He was dead of an apparently self inflicted
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  Speaker 6: shotgun blast to the head.
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  Speaker 3: We have reports from Paris the Dinah, Princess of Wales
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  Speaker 3: has been killed in a car accidents.
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  Speaker 7: You're a body, your body ride.
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  Speaker 8: Hello, and welcome back to the Nineties night. This is
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  Speaker 8: the third and final installment, and I have saved the
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  Speaker 8: best for last. Joining me today is a very special guest, Golby.
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  Speaker 8: How are you good?
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 8: I'm so great? Are you nostalgic about the nineties?
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's the four of me growing up? For sure?
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  Speaker 2: I know you were born in ninety four and you
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  Speaker 2: call yourself a nineties kid, And that was a.
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  Speaker 8: Deep, deep bet. You call yourself a nineties kid.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just telling you I was born in eighty three,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't consider myself an eighties kid. I mean
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  Speaker 2: as far as like being in elementary school goes and
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  Speaker 2: learning the things that I'm into and having hobbies, and
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  Speaker 2: all my memories are from the nineties. I might have
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  Speaker 2: a few scattered memories from the eighties, but I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I grew up in the nineties. So we just
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  Speaker 2: look at it differently.
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  Speaker 8: Well, agree to disagree. I have to say some of
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  Speaker 8: my most fond memories are probably from the early two thousands.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lie, but I definitely remember being a
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  Speaker 8: kid in the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe I'll just rephrase it. My formationeers were
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  Speaker 2: the nineties, fair enough. Oh yeah, all my memories just
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  Speaker 2: many of the things that shaped me into the person
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  Speaker 2: I am, and they're all nineties events.
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  Speaker 8: So yeah, well, you have gotten to see me putting
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  Speaker 8: together these episodes. So you have heard some of the
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  Speaker 8: some of our friends talking about their experiences from the nineties,
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  Speaker 8: and I think it's really cool because everybody kind of
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  Speaker 8: says something a little bit different, and they bring up
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  Speaker 8: something that I've either forgotten about or something that's like
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  Speaker 8: really just individual to them. And since you're here, give
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  Speaker 8: us your give us your nineties' best memory. Snippet for
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  Speaker 8: the listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I kind of feel like mine's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be exactly organic, because I did have several things on
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  Speaker 2: my mental list when you told me about this, and
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  Speaker 2: then you showed me a lot of others from your family, brands,
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  Speaker 2: other podcasters and Managerred a lot of memories for me.
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  Speaker 2: But if I'm to try to be honest about it,
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  Speaker 2: I would say the nineties makes me think of like
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  Speaker 2: cartoons in the morning when you wake up. I guess
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  Speaker 2: I would have been seven in nineteen ninety, so at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the nineties, you know, I'm starting to
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  Speaker 2: become a little kid and find out all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: stuff about the world through the propaganda on TV. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the food that we were sold during those Saturday morning commercials,
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  Speaker 2: and then a lot of the stuff that's come out
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  Speaker 2: recently about the people making those commercials. I mean just
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  Speaker 2: not even debatable at this point. But you know, there
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  Speaker 2: was something pure about it back then. You didn't know
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  Speaker 2: that you were being mk uldred at every turn when
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  Speaker 2: it came to TV. But there was also like a
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  Speaker 2: different world back then. You could play outside, you know,
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  Speaker 2: come in at dark for dinner, no cell phones, all
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff is how I remember growing up.
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  Speaker 2: And then the technology kind of came as the two
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  Speaker 2: thousands rolled around, So I was, you know, almost out
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  Speaker 2: of high school by then.
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  Speaker 8: But do you remember babysitting me?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And then there's the stuff like the Chicago Bulls really big.
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  Speaker 2: Your brother mentioned that, and that was a huge part
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  Speaker 2: of the nineties for me, was watching that thing go down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh J Simpson. A couple of things we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be talking about today. I think with you know, me
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  Speaker 2: becoming kind of radicalized because of things like Ruby Ridge, Waco,
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  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City bombing, even though back then I kind of
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  Speaker 2: took it at face value what happened there. And I
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  Speaker 2: mean the Heavens Gates cult, Oh God, one of my
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  Speaker 2: darkest memories as a kid. I got obsessed with it.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was about in seventh grade.
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  Speaker 8: We are going to talk about that today.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. I didn't know about that, and yeah, so I
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  Speaker 2: wrote a report on that in like seventh grade, and
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  Speaker 2: I just always liked that kind of shit and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't sleep for a week after looking into that one.
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  Speaker 2: I was probably a little too young to kind of
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  Speaker 2: soak it in without getting scared.
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  Speaker 8: But uh, did you watch Tales from the Crypt I did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was kind of cheesy.
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  Speaker 8: Oh really, I loved it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean what like you and I both like horror,
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  Speaker 2: there's an overlapping that we like. But I can't do
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  Speaker 2: the cheesy stuff and like geek out on it.
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  Speaker 8: It's got to be that you didn't even like that
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  Speaker 8: one wo do me Moore Orsh marries that big fat guy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I remember that. That was a dude.
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  Speaker 8: That was a good episode.
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  Speaker 2: So that was the TV show.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a TV show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that because they did the TV show
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  Speaker 2: and then they did a movie later.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the the fuck head from Titanic, he
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  Speaker 2: was in it. But yeah, the show, I kind of
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  Speaker 2: liked more stuff like goosebumps and shit. Oh yeah, because
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  Speaker 2: that was like early nineties and they had you know,
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  Speaker 2: I remember the very first book that came out in
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  Speaker 2: that series, and that Shits. They're still reviving that today.
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  Speaker 8: So I did save some of the best topics for
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  Speaker 8: last just to talk about some of the heavier subjects
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  Speaker 8: are easier, definitely when two people are covering them instead
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  Speaker 8: of one, and we do have different opinions. About some
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  Speaker 8: stuff and different. I don't know, like I tend to
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  Speaker 8: look at things more like spirituality wise sometimes, and I
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  Speaker 8: think you look at more like the facts and figures
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  Speaker 8: and shit. But something that I want to do before
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  Speaker 8: we get started today is mention a few things that
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  Speaker 8: I've covered from my previous episodes and just see what
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  Speaker 8: you think. So you mentioned the OJ thing and the
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  Speaker 8: not so high speed chase. You remember because it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: it's a high speed chase if you really watch it,
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  Speaker 8: he's not going that fast, not at all supposed to
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  Speaker 8: have like a gun to his head or something like
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  Speaker 8: so in that in my first episode, I said that
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  Speaker 8: if you don't want to believe that OJ did it,
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  Speaker 8: maybe just maybe if Nicole really was trans and there's
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  Speaker 8: kind of like this Menindez brother type of crime of
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  Speaker 8: passion thing going on. There's a lot of theories that
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  Speaker 8: maybe OJ's first son from his first marriage could have
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  Speaker 8: done it. Where are you at on that? Because I mean,
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  Speaker 8: for me, when I look at somebody who gets killed
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  Speaker 8: so brutally the way that she did, it's it just
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  Speaker 8: reeks of like this wasn't random, This is an act
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  Speaker 8: of passion. There is like a weird trans thing going on.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe she's sexual, and just tell me what you think.
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  Speaker 8: But maybe there's a weird sexual thing going on. If
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  Speaker 8: it wasn't OJ, maybe he just helped his son kind
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  Speaker 8: of like clean up his mess. What do you think
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  Speaker 8: about that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, are you asking me what I think about your
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  Speaker 2: theory in particular or what my theory on it is?
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  Speaker 8: I guess both. Really.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going to say that this is
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  Speaker 2: actually something that really happened.
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  Speaker 8: Oh see, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: So you you know, you and I did a series
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  Speaker 2: before this one, Blood Ties, where I'm convinced certain things
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  Speaker 2: never really happened. Like you're sitting over here saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's all Roman. It's Roman that got Sharon killed, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, she probably didn't die if she was even
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  Speaker 2: a real person to begin with.
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  Speaker 8: That's where that's why I like to get your opinion on.
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  Speaker 8: So we are different in that way.
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  Speaker 2: And I actually, you know, talk to me ten years
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  Speaker 2: ago when I was your age or a year older
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  Speaker 2: than you are now. I would say I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: thought all this shit was staged back then.
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  Speaker 8: But you don't think there's a level of spirituality to
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  Speaker 8: it with him being involved in like the process or
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  Speaker 8: Rosemary's Baby. Not to like dive way off the subject,
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  Speaker 8: but I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's a good thing to bring up,
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't interrupt you when you said that you're
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  Speaker 2: more spiritual than me.
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  Speaker 8: I don't don't think I'm more spiritual. I just think
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  Speaker 8: I have a tendency to look at things like that, like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: it's Satanists, or oh it's this or that fucking sigils.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't even like the word spiritual when I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to talk about what I believe because I'm an absurdist.
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  Speaker 2: I take reality as something that you have to enjoy
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  Speaker 2: by laughing at. So I'm not saying I'm an atheist,
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  Speaker 2: because I've never been an atheist, but I'm not religious.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think there's some kind of spiritual dance
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  Speaker 2: going on here, and certain people have a lot more
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  Speaker 2: knowledge about what it is and how to manipulate and
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  Speaker 2: control it, and those are the people that seem to
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  Speaker 2: be pulling the strings. So I do think if you
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  Speaker 2: want to use the word spiritual, it is all spiritual.
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  Speaker 2: I don't look at which craft is Satanism, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't look at like the light side being Christianity, which
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  Speaker 2: is where you and I would diverge. But I do
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  Speaker 2: think there's something very spiritual going on, and especially when
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  Speaker 2: the manipulation levels, like we're talking about OJ Simpson right now.
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  Speaker 2: And it's probably been within the last four years that
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  Speaker 2: I've started to look at all this stuff a lot differently,
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  Speaker 2: just because when I started my podcast, I really dove
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  Speaker 2: into Operation Mockingbird and I really saw what they were
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  Speaker 2: putting their money into, and that shit, the budget's only
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  Speaker 2: gone up on that stuff. I don't give a fuck
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  Speaker 2: what they said after the Church Committee that they stopped
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  Speaker 2: all that. We all know they didn't. It's all very apparent.
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  Speaker 2: So these big sensationalized events, I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: them are completely staged with actors. They're actually playing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the public version of themselves. O. J. Simpson, Nicole Brown.
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  Speaker 2: They'd be two people that were just acting in this.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, I do sound more like human vibrations
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  Speaker 2: every day, But I'm not willing to think that everything
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  Speaker 2: is fake. But I think these really big ones are.
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  Speaker 2: And I think if we're going to say West Memphis three.
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  Speaker 8: That was nineties, that was nineties, I think you haven't oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is in here, So manson killings, all that
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  Speaker 2: stuff that we've talked about. I would love that, I say,
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  Speaker 2: is possibly staged. I would link the OJ Simpson trial
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  Speaker 2: in with that most efficly.
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  Speaker 8: Can we play Devil's advocate and say it really happened?
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  Speaker 8: Who do you think did it?
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  Speaker 2: Oj?
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  Speaker 8: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Because yeah, there's a lot of fun theories if this
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  Speaker 2: really did happen, like yeah, maybe the sun did it.
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  Speaker 2: I just never really look that anything other than what
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  Speaker 2: happened as a result of it. And it used to
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  Speaker 2: be My opinion was goddamn OJ was lucky that all
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  Speaker 2: that shit in LA had just went down and people
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  Speaker 2: wanted to stick it to the LAPD for racial reasons.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the mainstream narrative of that case. You
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  Speaker 2: can watch the What is It? Thirty on thirty ESPN
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  Speaker 2: documentary series and it's a very compelling case because they
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  Speaker 2: do link it all together so nicely. But go a
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  Speaker 2: step above that, and why not think it was all
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  Speaker 2: scripted to shift culture nineties? Was it you mentioned that
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  Speaker 2: cultural shift? Yep? It was, and these things that like
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  Speaker 2: another one that I didn't mention in my little thing
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  Speaker 2: that I did there a few minutes ago OJ Simpson
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  Speaker 2: to me is very parallel with Princess Die because I
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  Speaker 2: found out about both of them from my mom in
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  Speaker 2: the car. I think she was picking me up from
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  Speaker 2: basketball camp or something in the summer. That must have
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  Speaker 2: been Princess Die. Didn't that happen in the summer. I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember when OJ that the low speed chase.
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  Speaker 8: Low speed I should I should always say low speed
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  Speaker 8: chase from here on out, because that's what it was,
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  Speaker 8: But I can't remember. I think it was in the summertime, though.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like they both were in my memory.
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  Speaker 8: And weird thing that I can cover it in a
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  Speaker 8: whole episode and forget two days later. What the fuck?
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  Speaker 8: I said?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about so much, right?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Is that all you wanted to say about OJ? Do
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  Speaker 8: you think he did it? The glove don't fit? You
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  Speaker 8: must have quit? I mean, if I'm looking at I
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  Speaker 8: think it was really there was a You don't think
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  Speaker 8: that there was something odd though about the cast of
• 14:40
  Speaker 8: characters they rolled out for this, like the Kardashian and
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  Speaker 8: all that shit.
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  Speaker 2: I think that just lends more credence to my theory
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  Speaker 2: that it was casted.
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  Speaker 8: You're right, You're right, Yeah, definitely be right about that.
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  Speaker 2: I think John Gusty and you talked about this. I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember if it was when we all swapcasted or
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  Speaker 2: when you had him on alone, but he mentioned, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's the birthplace of the Kardashian family. Is like, is
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  Speaker 2: that a mistake?
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  Speaker 8: But a lot of people would say that they're all
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  Speaker 8: just witches anyways.
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  Speaker 2: Well they all are, right, Well they're casting spells on us.
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  Speaker 8: That's how I think they're.
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  Speaker 2: The ultimate witches, because it's a clan of transgender.
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  Speaker 8: Dude, dude, how do you feel about Chloe Kardashian being
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  Speaker 8: OJ's You know what else? I just saw recently Chloe
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  Speaker 8: Kardashian is somehow Elvis' daughter.
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  Speaker 2: So we're getting into like weird shit.
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  Speaker 8: I don't fucking know. Really, it was on Instagram and
• 15:41
  Speaker 8: somebody was saying, look at the bone structure and da
• 15:43
  Speaker 8: da da da da. But if I was going to
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  Speaker 8: pick between Elvis and OJ, I would definitely say OJ.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she does look like she could be half black.
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  Speaker 8: And she also looks like a linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: And she doesn't even look like the same person anymore.
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  Speaker 8: But oh no, she got her whole skeleton redone.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, you probably know more about them in general.
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  Speaker 2: I just know very surface level stuff about the Kardashians.
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  Speaker 2: I know it even as a conspiracy theorist. They're fun
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  Speaker 2: to look into. I've just never been fascinated by him,
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  Speaker 2: but it's it's it'd be a shame to overlook the
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  Speaker 2: fact that the O. J. Simpson trial basically set the
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  Speaker 2: stage for that whole thing to happen in reality TV
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  Speaker 2: what less than ten years later, maybe ten years later.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when they popped onto the scene.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember I was working on construction crew when
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  Speaker 2: I first moved to Ashland, and the guy I worked
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: with was like, what do you think Kim Kardashian And
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: it was just like U slap in the face of
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  Speaker 2: where society was at that point, Like this guy to
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: break the ice asks me what I think of Kim
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  Speaker 2: Kardashian and I just said, she's all right. He's like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: she's the hottest thing ever.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, she's the hottest thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean she's not ugly.
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  Speaker 8: She also has had her face it's done a hundred times,
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  Speaker 8: so I mean, nobody's ugly when they have the money
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  Speaker 8: to fix it. Well, something else I mentioned in the
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: second episode is Nickelodeon and a lot of the weird
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: stuff with the petos and shit. One thing I forgot
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  Speaker 8: to mention while I recorded that Nickelodeon part is that
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: Brian Peck I believe was pin pals with John Wayne
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: Gacy and I just fucking found that out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I heard you mentioned that on the
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: wrap up episode you did with Jonathan and Jacob, and
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't think i'd heard that before.
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  Speaker 8: I hadn't. I hadn't heard it either, But the you know,
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  Speaker 8: doesn't it just seem weird to you how sometimes like
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  Speaker 8: think two separate things you can be researching can be
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  Speaker 8: connected in some weird way.
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  Speaker 2: It happens all the time.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, It's like, randomly, I decided to cover the nineties
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  Speaker 8: right after we did that Blood Tie series, and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: this guy who was raping kids on Nickelodeon was pin
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  Speaker 8: pals with Gacy? Really he is?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, just can't be surprised at this point.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I just hadn't heard of that, and I
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  Speaker 8: was like, what the fuck. It's like it's always some
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  Speaker 8: type of interconnected, like weird peedo ring, you know what
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  Speaker 8: I mean. So, but kind of getting into today's episode,
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  Speaker 8: I wanted to just say briefly, some of the major
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: events coming out of the nineties would include the disillusion
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: of the Soviet Union, Persian Gulf War, Hubble Telescope was launched,
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: nineteen ninety two Los Angeles riots, And one of the
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: things my brother mentioned was the Columbine shootings. And that's
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: something that I had never really looked into that much
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  Speaker 8: until I watched American Horror Story season one, because he
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: goes in the school and he shoots all those kids
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  Speaker 8: and shit, and I was like, they put a lot
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: of conspiracy stuff in American Horror Story, and I kind
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: of got to looking into the Columbine. But what is
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: your take on it?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It to me is the prototype of a phenomenon that
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: was basically unheard of back then. School shootings were happening,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: but for some reason, this one was the mold and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: you get psychotoptropic drugs, music, video games, supposed homosexuality, so
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: some early stages LGBTQ stuff. I mean, this case has
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: it all, and most importantly, it takes place in a
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: upper class white high school that same year, maybe a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: year before there's one I think it was Pennsylvania, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: don't quote me on that, but it was upper northeast
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: corner of the country somewhere, and it had all the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: markings to be the first one. But for some reason
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: they didn't sensationalize that one. This one they did. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: there's just all sorts of stuff that you can tie
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to it. Marilyn Manson, he claims he was sitting in
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a hotel room saw that breakout of the news and
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: he looked at his manager and said, they're going to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: blame me for this. That's his story, and he definitely
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: rode that into fame. Now, I believe this shooting was
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine, so when I think of nineties,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: it technically is nineties. But the Matrix came out in
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: ninety nine. They also tried to blame that movie because
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: in the big shootout scene where Neo and Trinity break
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: into the building they need to get to the top
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of they have a big shootout and they've got all
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: their guns stashed in their trench coats, and then this
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: trench coat mafia language starts happening with the Columbine shooting.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It's just I mean, out of this list, you just
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: went through Soviet Union, Golf War, Hubble, Telescope, La Riots.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: This is the one that I think is definitely the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: most conspiracy driven.
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: Well that's why I mentioned it last is because if
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: you were to say any of those things to someone
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: and say what do you remember about the Persian Gulf War,
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: They'd be like, oh, you know, I don't know. And
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: you mentioned Columbine, People's fucking eyes light up. Everybody has
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: some type of knowledge about Columbine.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you get into like the libertarian leaning
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: conspiracy crowd, they're gonna remember the Persian Gulf War as
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: being like the prototype for foreign invasion that was gonna
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: take over in a new way with this highly advanced
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: technology we had where we could decimate the other side
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: without hardly any casualties. And it wasn't a golf war.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: It was a golf fucking I mean, we went in
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: there and basically it was I guess incursion would be
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a better word, is that, Yeah, encouraging. It was not
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a war. Bill Hicks had a famous choke about the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Persian Gulf War, so pre Alex Jones, Bill Hicks he
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: liked to say that there has to be two sides
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: fighting for it to be a war, and I mean
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: we had this missile technology that they were showing on television.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It was like the Vietnam War all over again.
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: Where so you remember this?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was in elementary school.
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: Was I born yet?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: No, this would have been a couple of years before you,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So it would have been like it was hw Bush's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: thing and it was god maybe ninety one, I think
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: ninety two it came to.
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: A head and then the Los Angeles riots.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, so that's the stuff that you could say
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: that OJ Simpson verdict was the blowback of that. It
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: was the La riots and they call them race riots
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: in some circles. And this is spawned the Rodney King
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: thing too. He became, i mean a pseudo celebrity after
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: all that. But people say that was the direct cause
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: of the you know, not guilty verdict for Oj. Was
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Cochrane came in there and kind of put the lapd
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: on trial.
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: Well, I obviously don't remember the shit because I wasn't
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: fucking alive. But I wasn't alive. Yeah, I was Columbine.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: I was alive. You said it was ninety nine. My
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: brother said that after Columbine, like the whole fucking school
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: culture changed too, and like people couldn't just come and
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: visit you at school anymore. You had to like be
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: beeped in and badged in and shit.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It's very similar to the nine to eleven airport.
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: Say, I was gonna say, like they opted all the
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: fucking security and shit, and like this was obviously by design.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Now, I grew up in a very po dunk town.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I had sixteen kids in my graduating class. And before
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Columbine you could have your fucking hunting gun in the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: back of your vehicle for stopping by the lake to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: shoot a duck on your way home. And there's plenty
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: of students that did duck kind of stuff. Oh yeah,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and that I think it's very like we said, it's like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now you have to take your
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: shoes off at the airport. Now, some fucking schools, like
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: your brother's talking bigger schools, they had metal detectors and
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: shit installed. And I mean we had a kid bring
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: a gun to school and had it in his locker
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and he was in deep fucking shit. And that probably
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: eighty nine, just ten years before that probably would have
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: been like dude, don't don't bring it in school. But
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: there was a big showdown and the kid ended up
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: getting expelled.
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: Holy shit. Well, actually, I think this would be a
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: good time to take a quick break, and when we
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: come back, we're going to touch on some really fucking
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: interesting shit that both Colby and I have been looking
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: into these last couple of weeks. So sit tight and
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: we'll be back right after this.
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: Hey, what's up, guys. This is Janet from Deplorable Nation podcast.
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: And the nineties were colorful to say the least. So
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: word of the day was the emergence of themed restaurants
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: like Planet Hollywood and Rainforest Cafes. You could get an
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: immersive experience while you ate.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: Food.
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: Trends of the day were things like pomp Tarts, Capri,
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: sun Stuffed Crust, Pizza, fruit Loops, Captain Crunch, and Unchibles yum.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: We had the dying off of my favorite hard rock
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: or awesome rock and heavy metal, and in came the sad,
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: dirty grunge sound of Nirvana, Pearl jam Alice in Chains.
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: We had pop punk coming up like Green Day and
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: Blink one eight two. We even had alternative rock like
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: Red Hot, Chili Peppers, rim Nickelback and Creed. A lot
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: of things going on worldwide, like the Human Genome Project
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: started cloning of Dolly the Sheep. We had twenty five
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: wars going on worldwide simultaneously, including ninety eleven and the
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: famous Gulf War. We had the Rwandan genocide, the death
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: of Princess Diana. Of course, the HIV scare and everyone
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: was freaked out. We had assassinations of Pablo Escobar and Gandhi.
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: Hurricanes hitting all over the world, but the two worst
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: were in the United States. We had Andrew hitting Florida
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: and fran hitting North Carolina.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: We had a massive.
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: String of devastating tornadoes that swept through Oklahoma. Fifteen airplane
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: crashes worldwide, causing lots of death and destruction. Cern became
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: the face of the World Wide Web Project again lucky for.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Us, right.
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: And then we had the Y two K panic at
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: the end of the nineties where people were not sure
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: if the world was going to end because they didn't
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: know if the computers would roll over to mark the
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: year two thousand. So yeah, a lot of colorful things
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: going on. Popular shows that the day were Rosanne Tears,
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: Seinfeld and Friends, and so that was just the tip
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: of the iceberg. So yeah, the nineties were crazy times.
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: And we are back. So moving on. I actually I'll
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: let Colby take this because it's something that I was
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: unfamiliar with until recently. And we watched I know, I'm
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: always talking shit, but we watched a show on HBO.
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: Oh it was a showtime Okay, But you know how
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: I'm always saying like, you can't get your information from
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: Netflix and HBO, But you said this one was as
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: accurate as it possibly could be for what it was.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: And it was called Waco, right, Yeah, And what I
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: first want you to talk about is Ruby Ridge.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if we talk about Waco, we have to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: start with Ruby Ridge. Because Ruby Ridge was a direct
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: result of the United States government going after radicalized domestic
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: type sovereign I don't yeah, And I mean this movement
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: was all of that. It had the sovereign movement. Uh
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Randy Weaver himself, who was the prime target in the standoff.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: He married a woman when he was at Fort Bragg
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in the late seventies, I believe, and her name was Vicky.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I don't remember her maiden name off the top of
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: my head.
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: But what year did Ruby Ridge go down? Two ninety two?
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: So this was with the fucking riots and the fucking
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: and the fucking Gulfer and all that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, this was its own thing, and it really
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: was isolated to the point where the only reason I
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: had exposure to it like I did is because because
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I was living in Idaho and this was, I mean
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: basically a different state. I lived in southern Idaho, like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Mormon High Desertville, and Ruby Ridge was in northern Idaho
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: where they had like the white separatist movement had a
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: big stronghold up there, a lot of Christian survivalists, which
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: is what I would if I had to like put
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: a name on the movement that Weaver was really into,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: even though the mainstream would have you believe that he
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: was this big white nationalist starting shit with the government,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: when you really look into it, I mean, it was
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: one of the worst things that ever happened in this country.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And it predated Waco, which Waco was just a continuation
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of this type of policy. But do you want me
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to just give you like a quick rundown of Ruby.
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: Ridge, Yeah, and then I want to give you my
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: fucking thoughts on it, because I'm impassioned.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't know a lot about the Ruby Ry.
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: I know what I saw from the show, and it
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: passed me the fuck off.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So what happened was I was starting to say that
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Vicky was the gal that he hooked up with. They
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: get married and they're both into like pretty moderate level Christianity.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But she reads this book that a dude wrote in
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the seventies. I don't remember the name of it doesn't
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: really matter, but it was more of this like the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: apocalypses around the corner bridge of Christianity. I mean we
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: see it to this day. These people pop out of
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the woodworks all the time, make predictions, and this guy's
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: book had her convinced that we were living in the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: end times and that they needed to like isolate and
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: start homeschooling their kids. And at this time they had
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: one daughter, and they in nineteen eighty three, they bought
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: a piece of property in very secluded mountains of northern Ida,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and Weaver starts affiliating with white nationalists and these really
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: far right leaning like Christian militia groups. And there was
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: fucking undercover agents implanted in this scene already. So Weaver
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: comes in there being this ex military, ex green Beret,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Port Bragg trained, I mean, everything comes out of for
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: a brag. But so he comes in to this place,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: gets noticed pretty quickly, and they entrap him. He befriends
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: a guy who's an undercover ATF agent and they entrap
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: him into selling the agent to sowd off shotguns. And
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: so we were what.
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: Or did they say, can you saw it off? And
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: he said no?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: He said no. The guy was relentless. I mean I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: was gonna say that, like at first he I don't
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: know if he smelled a rat and just was listening
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to his instincts or just thought it was a bad idea.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: But the funny thing about this is if you just
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: look into it a little bit, the crime he committed,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: he could have actually had legal clearance if he bought
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: a two hundred dollars permit. That's the only thing standing
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: in between this being a crime and this not being
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: a crime. So it's a paperwork issue. And he was
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: very much, you know, in the sovereign movement, so he
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: didn't give a fuck about the paperwork. And he had
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: told this guy who thought was his friend, this undercover agent,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I really need some money right now, and the guy
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: smelled blood and went in and got him to do it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So he sells these guys or this guy the guns
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: at like a park or something. They meet and makes
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the hand off, and he tells the guy, I can
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: get you one of these a week. That's according to
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the agent. I don't believe this. So Weaver's story is
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that he was hard up for cash, he was desperate.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: He knew he shouldn't have done it, and he did
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: it anyway. And this started the whole thing because this
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was the reason they approached him. We've got this dirt
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: on you now. They told him they wanted him to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: be an informant, and he told him to go fuck themselves.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: They we don't think he said I can get you
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: one a week.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: But this is the age ATF.
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: You might as well fucking asked Charles Manson about a
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: sod Off shotgun. I mean, literally, babe, They fucking lie
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: about everything, right, I'm not talking about the guy. I'm
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: talking about fucking the ATF lies about everything.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Of course, and we're you know, this is just gonna
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: spill over into the Waco thing. But so I'm gonna
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: try to make this the shortest version possible, and if
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you have like any questions, I could maybe fill in
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: some blanks, but because of this him telling them to
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: get fucked, they came after him hard on the gun charge.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: They pretended to be broken down motorists on this background,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: and he stopped with his wife, I believe at the time,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and they arrested him, took him in cuffs, took him in,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and then they let him go. He had to like
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: mortgage his house as bail just to get out. I
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: think it was like fifteen thousand dollars ten to fifteen
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars somewhere in there. So they let him out
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and then they tell him in this paperwork they gave
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: him that his court date was March twentieth, and so
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: they actually set up the court date for February twentieth,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: gave him the wrong date, so he doesn't show up.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: Oh, come on.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: And this is all admitted. This isn't even conspiracy stuff.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: This is all documented through it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: You're being fucking you're are you mess with me?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: This gets worse, so they issue a warrant failure to appear.
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: In court, and honey, I can't take it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: So for the next eighteen months, Weaver is in a limbo,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: knowing that they could just come arrest him anytime. They want.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And what they do is they start heavy surveillance outside
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: his house. They have people in camouflage clothes because he
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: missed his court Nate, well, because they wanted this guy.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: But yes, that was.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: The but that's the reason they Yes.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the reason for the warrant.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: Unnecessary.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to like be total on the
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: side of Weaver in this, even though I am, But
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I gotta say anytime he could have turned himself in
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: knowing that there was a warrant, but he didn't. I
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: that I probably wouldn't have. But I'm just saying he does.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: I mean, because he knows because they've done right by
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: him so far, Why why not turn myself in because
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: they're the good guy.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: Right, if he turned himself in and that he knew,
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: he was gonna get even fucked.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Harder, well it gets worse. So now, the the version
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of the story I'm going to give is coming from
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the Weavers, so I would prefer that A little backstory here.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: The Weavers had three kids, Sarah, she was sixteen when
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: this went down, Sam who was fourteen, and then they
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: had an infant who I believe was about ten months old,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a girl I don't remember her name. But there was
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: also this guy named Kevin Harris who was a family friend.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I think he was like older than Sam, who was fourteen,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't quite like an adult, but he was
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: a troubled person that they took in and he was
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: a family friend. So one morning they hear their dog
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: freaking out, and this is a yellow lab who was
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: a goddamn good guard dog. The dog goes off in
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the woods just freaking out, and Kevin and Sam chase
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: after the dog with guns, and Randy goes off another direction,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and that's when the dog leads Kevin and Sam right
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: to the fucking agents out there in their cameo gear.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And the version of the story right here is where
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: it diverges because the kid claim or the guy, Kevin
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: claims that they shot the dog, and then Sam said,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: why'd you shoot my dog? And he's pointing his gun
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: around and they start firing, and so Kevin shoots one
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: of the agents that opens fire, kills him, and then
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: all hell breaks loose. Randy's yelling for them to get
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: back to the house. Sam turns around to run and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: he's shot in the back. Fourteen year old kid shot
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: retreating and he was shot once in the arm and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: once in the back.
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: So they killed the man's dog and his son in
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: one fucking fail swoop.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what starts the standoff.
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: Why did they kill the dog?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: So that was if you actually look into it, it's
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: come out since that the whole reason they went in
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: close to the house that day was to lure the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: dog out.
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: Oh my god, they planned it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: They wanted to kill the dog so that when.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: They couldn't, it wouldn't alert them to their presence.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like getting rid of their oh my honey.
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: Please.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: So anyway, now the story of the ATF has given
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: sense is that they decided to pull out last minute,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and they were leaving and then the dog came out
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: and forced their hand.
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: But give me a break.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: The real truth that consensus has kind of delivered us
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: is that no, they did exactly what they came to do,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: but they didn't plan on the kid and the family
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: friend being out there with guns and all hell brows.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: Why did they have to shoot his kid in the back.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Well, so fire broke out after that. The ATF claims
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that he was waving his gun around frantically saying why'd
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: shoot my dog and that they were under threat. Some
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: say that uh, he shot first, but all accounts and
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: even they even got caught line. One of the guys
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: said he didn't fire any shots, and they looked later
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and he had fired seven bullets. Oh my god, they're
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: blatantly covering up things.
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: And that's why I said. He probably didn't say he
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: could get him one soot off shotgun a week. They've
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: fucking lied this whole time.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And so then at some point, oh my god, Pavin,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Vicky and Randy go out and grab the body of
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Sam and bring him back to his shed. And this
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: is just a little side note on how like radically
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: religious these people were. They had a I don't remember
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: if they called it a bleeding shed or a blood said,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: but it's where Sarah, the daughter and the mom would
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: have their periods. So like hippies do this, and apparently
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Native Americans sometimes did it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: Jewish people, I don't know, maybe, no, I know that
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: for a fact.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Well, these guys were staunch Old Testament followers.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you're supposed to bleed in a separate area.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: So that that's another little like inconsistency is they tried
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to paint these people as anti Jewish, like anti Semites,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: but they considered themselves Israelites because they were followers of
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the old tim.
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: Well, they've tried to paint him as everything but a fucking.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: The religious radical stuff is true and even this shit
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: they're doing. So when he was arrested, Vicky sent a
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: letter to the government and she signed it a servant
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: of the Queen of Babylon and she said, basically I'm
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: paraphrasing here, but one of her letters said, and she
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: didn't cuss, but us the fuck alone, and if you
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: come in, we will be forced to defend ourselves. And
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: this is a theory, or not a theory, but this
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: is a theme that's going to carry over in to
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Waco because these people are isolated prophesizing that the fucking
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Babylon or whatever the government is going to come in,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and they make the prophecy come true just by doing
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: what they do. And so you think these people are
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: going to be reasoned with after you actually showed them
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that everything they believed about the government is true. And
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: so anyway, they get the body, they take it back
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: into the bleeding shed and Randy and Vicky clean it
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: up and they just keep him out there. At one
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: point they actually come in and take the body. Who
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: takes it the government.
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: They take the little boy's body for what.
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: For?
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: Why?
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: So maybe evidence? Maybe to clean up the evidence.
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: Oh my god, babe, they fucking defiled it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they did. But anyway, the next
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: major step is because of the body. So they were
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: sitting outside, and so this family's just this whole time,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: they're like, if you look at Sarah's testimony, she was like,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: we were just hoping that somebody was gonna come save us,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: like this wasn't okay, and you know, somebody in charge
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: was gonna be on our side. Little did they know
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: this was all coming from up on high and there
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: was no way they were ever going to get out
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: of there like peacefully. Because after this goes down, this
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: was an eleven day siege in total, but like three
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: days left. This is when all hell breaks loose. Randy
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: goes out till he says, he always would word it
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: like I'm gonna go check on Sam. So he goes
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: out there, the daughter's with him, Kevin's outside also doing
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: something else, and they kind of all are just standing
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: in different places and gunfire starts and or Ucci is
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: the name of this sniper, and he's an ATF sniper,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: or he might know he may be FBI. I think
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: he's FBI, So at this point the FBI kind of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: had taken over. He gets orders that if you see
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: an adult outside armed, open fire, and Randy was not
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: armed when this happened. He's going around the shed. He's
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: opening the door and shots ring out, and Sarah runs
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to her dad and actually like shields him, and she's like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: if they're going to shoot my dad, they're gonna have
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to shoot me first. And she's like helping him back
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: to the house. He got shot somewhere, I think, around
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the shoulder, and they bring him in and everybody kind
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of meets at the front door right all together. It's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: a big clusterfuck and Kevin dives in and right as
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: they close the door, ry Ucci takes his second shot.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: It goes through the window, right through fucking Vicky's head
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and she's holding the ten month old baby and Sarah's
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: standing right next to her. She said it was deafening,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: like the bullet went right by her ear and Vicky
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: hits the floor dead immediately. Kevin gets the bullet that
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: passes through. Vicky hits Kevin and just obliterates like a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: chunk of his arm and then shrapnel fucking hits his chest.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: It's a miracle this guy survived. And so now you
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: have the dead wife after the dead sun and one
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: wounded guy. Baby's fine, but mom's dead.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: Oh god, honey, they killed this man's entire family.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Well, the negotiations start now, and this.
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: Is negotiations after they've just family.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: And if you remember the Waco show we watched, this
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: is how the opening of the show is showing all this, like, I.
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: Know, but what is there left to negotiate when you've
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: killed the man's entire family?
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Get this? Okay? So the negotiations start and FBI's got
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: their top guy on it, and he says at one
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: point something like, we all had pancakes out here for breakfast. Hey, Vicky,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I know your kids are hungry. Why don't you just
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: come out with your kids? And they're in there going
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: you just fucking shot her mom and Sarah in her testimony,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and she's written a book on this sense and she's
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: gone on like a few podcasts and talked to a
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: few interviewers, but she was thinking like they're just rubbing
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: it in our faces. She thought they knew that she
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: was dead, and so gosh, I forget this guy's name.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: So hold up real quick, hey, dead person, come get
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: some pancakes. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: We also made sausage out of your dead fucking dog.
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: We got out here. Oh just kidding, it's fucking we
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: to fucking leg meat from your dead son and made
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: some fucking sausage patties. Come get them, like they're literally
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: rubbing it in their face. They just killed this guy's
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: whole family.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: So the negotiator for the FBI at some point realizes, like,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you know, he looks at all of us as the same. Obviously,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: the negotiator had nothing to do with the you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the shootoff and all that. So he realizes, I need
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: to bring in some familiarity. So he brings in this
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Colonel bo Gritz, who was a Green Beret anti government
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, walked along in the same circles
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: as Weaver. They didn't know each other personally, but Weaver
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: kind of idolized this guy. I think he's the guy
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that inspired some of the later Rambo movies. This was
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: a dude who like tried to really, yeah, he tried
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to rescue POW's and Vietnam and shit. I mean, he
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: was just like an icon for these people. So the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: FBI negotiator calls Bo Gritz to come in. He walks
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: up to the house, unarmed, no kevlar, and he's like, Randy,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: why don't you just come out and talk with us,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I think we need to end this. Randy just kind
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of cracks open the door and says, hey, Bo, they
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: shot Vicky. And he just goes fuck and walks back
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: down and tells everybody you killed his wife. And so
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: these guys kind of just talk back and forth a
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: little bit. Randy gets comfortable and decides, you know, we
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: should let Kevin out. So on August thirtieth, Kevin, like
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: day ten of this thing. Kevin goes out, gets medical attention.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And then the next day Bo and his daughter they
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: go out, you know, the daughter and the infant girl,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: and it just in.
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: Randy goes out.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he surrenders.
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: Randy the baby and the daughter goes out.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's over. And this pretty successful attorney named
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Jerry Spence, he just made a spectacle out of the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: incompetency and all the fuck ups of the FBI agents.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: He basically puts them on trial, shows all their inconsistencies,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: shows that they were at fault basically, and Weaver ends up.
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: What about the ATF.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot didn't happen with that legally, but I'll
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: just wrap this up and then we'll get right into that.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Because of that, we'll directly link us to Waco. So
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: at trial, Weaver does not guilty or he excuse me,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: he pleads not guilty. And the entire thing was just
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: like cut and dry. This Jerry Spence guy's kicking the
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: shit out of the ATF. And Randy Weavers found guilty
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: on failure to peer in court eighteen months months to
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: spend in prison, and they get gave him time served.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: So after the trial he has three months in prison,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: he's out, and he just became a radical speaker like
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: gun shows, and he'd go on like you know, people's
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: podcasts and stuff. I heard him talking throughout the years.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: He died in twenty twenty two, but I remember when
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: this all went down. It's just to show you kind
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: of the mainstream narrative of it. I was in probably
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: like later elementary school when this went down, Like the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: trial and all that, and he ended up going to
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: prison to serve out his three months in Ada County,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: which is where I was probably living, because when I
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: moved to southern Idaho, we lived in Ada County, in
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Twin Falls County, and I remember people at school explaining
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to us, like, this guy was a bad guy. He
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: was a racist, he was a white supremacist. He picked
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: a fight with the government and they had to go
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: in and shoot him, and you know the where the
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: casualties wore, the wife, and it just they painted him
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: as a bad guy. It wasn't until I got a
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: little bit older and I started like rubbing shoulders with
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: some conspiracy theorists who like some of them, actually knew
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: the people that were involved in all this, and they
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: just look at this guy as like a freedom fighter
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: and a hero. So it's kind of funny.
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: He is a hero.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, he'll never forgive himself. He's mentioned that he
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: wishes he would have done things a little differently. Of
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: course he does. His fucking son and his wife.
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: Got killed, and his dog and his dog.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: So this will now spill over into Waco if you're
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: ready to go into that, because the events of Ruby
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Ridge caused the Clinton administration to really take a hard
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: look at the ATF, and rumors are they were going
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: to cut the funding for it. And at that point,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: some guy got the synth on this compound Mount Carmel
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: in Waco, Texas, where they were reportedly stockpiling weapons and
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: marrying underage girls.
• 52:06
  Speaker 8: But don't you feel like that's just a little too convenient.
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: You've looked to me to be your leader to God
• 52:25
  Speaker 11: you on this journey, But I'm no a leader. I'm
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: a follower just like you. God has instructed me to
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: stay here and wait for his son. This is our
• 52:44
  Speaker 11: time to prove through suffering that we are worthy of
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: the miracle.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: That's the code.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: The Kingdom of Heaven.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Is coming, I'd promis you.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Well, then this will just go right into the Okay,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: see bombed.
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: Well, no, I'm just saying. I'm just saying it's a
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: little too convenient. They were about to cut the funding
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: for this fucking, fucking natyf shit, and then all of
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: a sudden there's a compound that pops up and they
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: just gotta go and guns the blazing and fucking shoot everybody.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Well, and the thing that was going on in the
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: early nineties. That kind of led to the whole Ruby
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Ridge incident is that the FBI turned their resources inward
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: to look for radicalized Americans, anti government, hardcore religious survivalists.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: They were really infiltrating these groups, and so Waco was
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: probably already on their radar, but they were just looking
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: for an easy bust, and they ended up fucking recreating
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Ruby Ridge on a more massive scale. They killed many
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: kids and they and it's very similar. The incident started
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: with them shooting a dog. Because they shot the dog
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: and then fire gunfire breaks out, and at that point,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: you know, the FBI and the ATF swear that the
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: ATF agents fired back, but everybody inside swears that they
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: fired first, that the government fired first.
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: Well guess who the fuck I believe? Well, yeah, And
• 54:46
  Speaker 8: just to get something clear, because before I watched the show,
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: I myself had only heard of the Branch Davidians, this
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: Waco compound. These people as like all but psychopaths who
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: believed David Koresh was Jesus and that they were stockpiling guns.
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: And they went to go serve a search warrant and
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: they just fucking got machine guns and started shooting the
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: agents and shit. That's how they always that's how they
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: always make it sound that David Koresh was saying that
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: he was Jesus and that these Branch Davidians were fucking kids,
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: and it sounded like something out of a horror movie
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: when they described these guys. And then you watched this
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: show and you really get to start looking into the
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: Branch Davidians were and what David Koresh was really saying,
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: and it's like, who the fuck cares what they believed in?
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: They weren't hurting anybody, and they were keeping to themselves
• 55:49
  Speaker 8: out there, and it was like, yeah, they had some guns,
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: but they weren't preparing for battle.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: No, And a lot of the stuff was just away
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: to generate revenue. They were buying and selling legal guns
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: for gun shows and there they had a lot of
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: little side of operations on how they were making money
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: and how they were maintaining out there. They didn't have
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: fucking electricity. They had electricity. They didn't have running water.
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: They didn't have running water, but they did have electric.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: They had electricity.
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: But honey, you know what I'm saying is like, who
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: the fuck cares what they believed in? They weren't they
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: were literally not hurting kids, and they were literally not
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: hurting anyone. Well yeah, and I mean they make it
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: sound like he was raping kids.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Well a lot of this they shift the focus onto
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: David Koresh and if you want to get into some
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: of the finer points on him, whether he said he
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: was Jesus or not. I mean, they flat out gave
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: this guy the chance to like explain what was going
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: on in there during this what was it fifty.
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: Fifty one, day fifty one I believe.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so have a standoff that's very reminiscent of Ruby Ridge,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: but this time there's so much more at stake, and
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: this entire thing is out in the middle of a
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: goddamn open desert and it's surrounded by media. From day one,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: there's very little footage of the Ruby Ridge standoff. I
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: mean the aftermath the reporters had kind of gotten there,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: but I mean they show you, like the white supremacists
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: that are protesting at the bottom of the property, but
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: they don't show you like constant news covers that Waco
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: was getting. And at one point they were even like
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: communicating with a live radio show by turning their satellite dish.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: There was something that I didn't talk about in the
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Ruby Ridge standoff, Like remember Paul Harvey the rest of
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: the story. Guy, he's an AM radio guy. Anyway, he
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: was like telling Randy Weaver to surrender, and then they
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: brought a little robot with a phone on it because
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: they were having a hard time hearing him and they
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: were trying to negotiate, and they look out the window
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: and there's a little robot on wheels, probably like from
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: the moon landing, and it's got a phone on it,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: but it's got a fucking shotgun pointed it, like where
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: you'd have to be to grab the phone.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: Oh, so come and get his phone and we'll blow
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: your fucking hand off.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, I mean that was a little just
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: a little circle back, but yeah, Waco was equally horrible,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: but I would I would argue that Ruby Ridge was
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: the one that really showed me like you can be
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: doing nothing to hurt somebody and just have the fucking
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: governments surround you and kill your family and then they'll
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: get away with it.
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: Dude, Mormons get away with more. Like David Koresh. They
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: were like, well, he's got a bunch of wives and
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: he's getting them all pregnant out there? Hello, has anybody
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: watched Sister Wives? Like, fucking this is not a new
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: fucking phenomenon. A guy who's fucking a bunch of chicks
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: and getting them pregnant, Like they were literally living peacefully
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: on a fucking compound, fucking eating baloney sandwiches and reading
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: the Bible and I get it, Like I don't like
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: religious cults either, but no one was actually in danger
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: at all.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Well, a cult are not a cult? Not a cult,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: but the word cult has a connotation to it where, oh,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: it's the ones that we don't like and they're doing
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: things that are weird, and we paint them in this light,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: and then they're a cult. When we all fucking do
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: cult shit all day, every day of our lives, we're
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: all involved in that kind of stuff. But when it's
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: this one thing where you get like this anti government
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: sentiment and like really right leaning ideologies and Christian based ideologies,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: that combination freaks them the fuck out for some reason.
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: Let me tell, let me ask you something. Did you
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: ever watch any of the series on like Warren Jeffs
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: and what he was doing on the More and Compounds?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know about it. I never like dove
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: Where is the fucking siege on Zion. He's a religious
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: cult leader that was literally raping twelve and thirteen year olds,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: had like forty wives. He was also doing weird stuff
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: with guns and like just totally illegal shit. But there
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: was no fucking siege on fucking Zion.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Well, if you look at it from that perspective, then
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I would say that there's probably a lot of fucking
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: ATF agents out there using what you just said, saying
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: we need a bigger budget. Look at this one got
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: under our radar.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: No, but I'm sorry they wait, Like why did? I'm
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: trying to give people perspective as to Yeah, you might
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: have not agreed with what David Koresh and what the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: branch Davidians were all about, but they weren't. The people
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: who were there were not in danger. They were there
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: of their own free will. He was practicing similar religious
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: beliefs as some Mormons that have their own TV show
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: that nobody's fucking sieging on their asses, and like they
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: literally just showed up and started killing women and children
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: because they needed to fucking prove that the ATF could
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: be valuable in some capacity.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it's almost like they didn't expect it.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying it's almost like I believe
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: they did not expect this to just be Ruby Ridge
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: two point zero. In fact, they were using it to say, see,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Ruby Ridge was just a one off fuck up, but
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't for us, this kind of stuff would
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: go undetected all the time. Instead, they get the same
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: goddamn thing. And the negotiator, who was both on Ruby
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Ridge and Waco, he even told those guys like you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: fucking can't do it like this again. It's just gonna
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: be worse. It's gonna be another Ruby Ridge. And I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: mean in the show, I don't think I told you this.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: They make it look like that guy sticks around till
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: right before they go in. He fucking THEYDN got him
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: out of there like twenty something days into it.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 8: Are you serious?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I think for like dramatic effect in the show, his
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: big outbursts was like right before they go in with
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the tanks. But but it's.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: Like you said, with Ruby Ridge, the ATF made the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: Branch Davidian's prophecy come true. Yeah, they said the government's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: gonna show up here with tanks and they're gonna kill
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: us all.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't say it with tanks, but they
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: did say, like, we're gonna be surrounded, and this is
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the fifth Seal because Koresh the reason he got all
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: this attention is because he memorized the entire Bible, and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: he deciphered the Seventh Seals or the Seventh Seals in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: ways that biblical scholars wanted to prove him wrong. And
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: then they fucking end up like uprooting their lives and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: moving on to the compound because they were so enamored
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: by his ability to decipher the Bible.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: So do you like, going back to what I said
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: at the beginning of this episode, I find a weird
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: spirituality thing with both of these cases, both with Weaver
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: and with Waco, Like their prophecies actually fucking came true. Well,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: you think it's self fulfilling prophecy or do you think
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: there's something else going on?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, it's a spiritual dance. And
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: I think that when you have two opposing forces just
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: kind of like floating around each other, they're gonna bump
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: into each other every once in a while. And for
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, the United States government has proven time and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: time again, that they will be the one to fucking
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: initiate it, like they know you're out there and they're
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: gonna fucking challenge you.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: But so it's like David wasn't wrong.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I even said on an episode of Disinformation, like what
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: if Koresh was Jesus?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: Like I know he never said mistake, Like.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I think Koresh was Jesus, But imagine
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Jesus comes back. You think we're not just gonna kill
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: him again. I think we would. And I don't mean we,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I mean the powers that be would.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: The Powers that be definitely would.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: So I mean they did say that, you know I'm
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: paraphrasing them.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: He said it was a Messiah. He didn't say it
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: was Jesus.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he even explained the difference. He tried to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: like downplay like I'm the second Coming. He called himself
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: the Lamb of God. He called himself a Messiah. But
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: the translation apparently of Messiah isn't like Jesus. There's messiahs.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: It's not all the Christ. But anyway, uh, I agree
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: with you entirely. Like these guys have it in their
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: heads that they're going to be surrounded by Babylon and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: going to be fired upon, And then that just comes
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: true because on both fucking issues, if you'll look, the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: similarities are just crazy. They're both fucking permitting errors for
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: gun things. And it wasn't a permitting error with Ruby Ridge.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: It was a goddamn one oh one case of entrapment.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Like they couldn't have tried any harder to make this
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: guy break the fucking law, and they all but forced it.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, they knew he was vulnerable, they knew he
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: needed cash, he knew it was stupid.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: But didn't they send even an undercover agent into Waco
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: to try to get David on some shit and they
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: couldn't even get him on that.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: They sent an ATF agent undercover inside and like the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: second or third time he was there, he showed them
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: a gun with a modified trigger, and Koresh handed it
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: back to him and said that's illegal. Don't ever bring
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: something like that in here again. And they were thinking
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Koresh would be like, oh cool, let me show you
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: all my illegal guns, and that.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: Just goes to show you how fuckingum they.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: And Koresh, you know, wasn't in a vulnerable state where
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: he slid into the trap. But that same agent even
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: told the ATF that they had been tipped off by
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: this guy that was on a mail route. He was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: a mailman and he had a fucking dad or a
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: son or somebody in the compound, and he went and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: tipped him off. That undercover agent told the FBI and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: the ATF don't fucking go in there. They know you're coming.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: He met him in the driveway in the show. I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: don't know if that was you know historically.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: Actually there was a there was a video where David
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: poked his head out and was like, don't shoot, don't shoot,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: let's talk about this, and they fucking open fired on him.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: He said there's women and children in here, don't fire.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 8: And they were like, oh, what'd you say, literally shot him.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: They shot the dog, and then somebody from one of
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: the windows. Here's gunshots coming from the ATF, and they
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: shoot back and then they fire a shot. It's kind
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: of weird too, how Randy gets clipped in the shoulder
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: and it was his daughter was treating his gun wound,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, her mom's face was obliterated. But the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Kevin Harris guy, he had a fucking massive like just
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: the it wasn't. It didn't go clean through and he
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: had the shrapnel. But both Koresh and Weaver were shot
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: and survived. And I mean it's weird because Koresh was
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: in pretty bad shape for a while.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: He got shot in the stomach.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: He was convinced he was dying, and he got like
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: a voice message out to his mom at one point
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: saying he thought he was dying, but he miraculously rose.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: And you think the fucker's in there, aren't, Like, maybe
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: he's Jesus.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: That's I mean, theyde literally.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Even though he likes fucking my wife and rub it
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: into my face, he just might be the second Coming.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: It's like I said before, am I gonna go join
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: the branch Davidians now? But they weren't really doing anything
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: that was absurdly outside of like Mormonism that everyone seems
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: to be fucking okay with. And they were like, didn't
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: he have like a band too?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of his other ways.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: Of like generating revenue.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if they got paid, but
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: he had a band and they would go play shows.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: That's how he met David Thibodeau, one of the survivors
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: of the siege, who actually, like is a really good
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: source if you want to hear the other side of
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: the story. I think he was supposed to go on
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: the White Rabbit podcast. I hope that still happens, because.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 8: That is well, can I just they end up killing
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: all they end up at the end of this siege,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: they end up pretty much catching the whole bitch on fire,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: and they kill all the women and children, and David
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: kills himself, right.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: You know that part of the show. I don't know
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: if the if they if they really did that, but
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I guess they probably wouldn't have just put that in there.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: See to me, I all my really deep dives went
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: into Ruby Ridge, the Waco stuff. I'm a little blurry
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: on whether that part was true or not, but yeah,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: they'd make it look like.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: They just didn't want to burn up so they just
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: killed themselves.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: And maybe they did.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: But okay, let's just both agree and say this. Do
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: not watch the documentary on Netflix if you want accurate
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: information about Wago, because I watched half an episode of
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: the mini series on Netflix about Wago and I about
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: came up out of my skin. It glorifies the ATF agents.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: They're all sitting around fucking crying and shit. And what
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: did I tell you? I said, the only thing you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 8: need to do in an HBO or Netflix documentary to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: sell it to people is have some good background music
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 8: and some good video footage. And that's exactly the fuck
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: what they did. They played all these fucking sob stories
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: from the ATF agents. They played a fucking sad song
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: in the background. What does it say? Look, he died
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: at thirty three? Oh my god, did it say he
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: killed himself?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: No, if you just go to the Wikipedia, it says
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: he died of a gunshot wound in unclear circumstances. The
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: compound was a siege.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: He said, they'd know ever killed themselves.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: Do you think they did that just to like to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: sketch their names?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Because, like I said, my brief that rabbit hole dive
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: into Waco was years ago. And in that show when
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: they he gets one of his followers to shoot him
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: in the head and then the guy shoots himself. I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: always thought that I would have remembered that, So I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: don't think.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: So that was a fucking artistic liberty they took in
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: the show. He said, we'll never kill ourselves.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, if your ass is on fire, you
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: might change your mind if you got a gun.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, But they lied about everything else. Why
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 8: not lie about that? What if he went down heroically
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: in a blaze just to prove a point and they
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: fucking shamed him, like fucking how they did Marilyn Monroe
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: and said she killed herself and she was fucking on
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: pills and shit, and they took all of her clothes off. Well,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: and let's it's a humiliation.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Rich. Take an opportunity here to just talk about what
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: kind of guy David Koresh was, because I don't want
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: to glorify him as much as I'm telling you that
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: he didn't deserve to fucking get swarmed by the United
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: States government and fired upon. I will also say he
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: was doing some shady shit, in my opinion, nothing that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: warranted this. But the guy was kind of a creep.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: What was he doing?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was marrying underage girls, like how underage,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: but underage to the point where if in Texas, by
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Texas law, the parents were all in there and did
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: give their consent and that was enough for legal standing.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: So you think he was a creep?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I do think he was a creep. I don't think
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: that you can sit there and tell all your buddies
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: that I just got a message from God and he
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: wants me to bear the burden of intercourse. You guys
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: don't have to do it anymore, but I get to
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: fuck all your wives. All the kids in there were his.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: Kids said, I don't think it was at all normal
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: what they were doing, like I would just go sign
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: up for I'm just saying that he wasn't doing anything
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: outside of what fucking Mormons do and get away with it.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: I don't they all.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: Marry thirteen year olds too, and fucking nobody's sieging on them.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that. I don't think that. You know,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: it's a little weird what I'm saying to you.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: He was probably a heat, but I'm just saying, if
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: you're gonna see John Waco, you need a seege on
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: every Mormon household.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Well, he also had an I'm not you know, the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: whole underage girl things one thing, But he also had
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to end this, and his ego got the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: better of him and he wanted to get the message
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: on tape. The FBI ended up just losing patience with him,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: but they had negotiated a surrender, and rather than just
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: come out at that minute like everybody wanted, he said
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: he had to get his sermon fucking recorded and typed
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: out or whatever it was.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: That I will say, is just your typical ego to
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: say it is Once again, I can say all that.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: At the same time, it does not fucking mean that
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: you get to go in there and kill him because
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: he's not doing what you tell him to do. But
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: if he really cared about his kids and maybe his
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: religious beliefs were like, fuck, we're better off, you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: if they do just fucking kill us, who knows what
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: was going through this guy's head.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: You also have to think about fifty one days into this,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: he's nobody in there's thinking clearly.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: They're all dehydrated, delirias, all delirious, fucking bleeding from a
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: gunshot wound. Yeah, and he keeps saying, like, you guys
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: keep lying, Why do I believe that we're gonna come out?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing they did was start arresting
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: everybody and separating them from their kids. When they were
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: letting like a trickle of them out. So I you know,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: who's to say I wouldn't have done exactly what he
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: did in that situation, but had he been selfless and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: put everybody in there above himself, especially those kids, they
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: would be alive today.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you do not
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 8: join cults. How does this lead into the Okac bombing though.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Because after this, the FBI and the ATF like, look,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: they made themselves look really good in the eyes of
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: this fucking public trial they had, they fucking prosecute the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: surviving adults of Waco, and they end up successfully prosecuting them.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: And then you get to they go to jail.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Thibodeau goes to jail.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: No Thibodeau, So maybe he was I don't think so.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: Why does Thibodeau get off? You know, I saw pictures
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: of the real Thibodeaux, and he was a good looking
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: guy when he was in the cult. Here's a list
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: of the ones that were prosecuted.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're convicted of firearms charges and murder.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: So they serve time. Yeah, eight cult members serve time.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: Oh my god, it's this. They were prosecuted for various crimes,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: including murder and conspiracy.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, the story just gets more bleak the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: more it goes. But so you asked how this ties
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: into the OKC bombing, Well, the fall guy McVeigh. The
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: official narrative is that he did this in memory of
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Ruby Ridge and Waco, and in fact, he did it
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: on the two year anniversary of the siege at Waco ending.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: He did it on the two year anniversary of the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 8: siege of Waco.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Ending the day that they went in and killed everybody,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: and that was April nineteenth of ninety three.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: But that's like the mainstream, yeah, But also so under
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: the like on the other side of the curtain, you
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 8: have the FBI really fucking arming up harder than ever
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: on militia groups after Waco because they drug this thing
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 8: through the courts.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: They made these survivors look like they were guilty of
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: murder and stockpiling weapons. And there was all of this
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: fucking white militia activity going on, like like white nationalist stuff,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: And there was this place called Eloheim City and it
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: was infiltrated heavily by the FBI. Now this is where
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: McVeigh comes into it. So the mainstream story is is
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: this guy is this he's just like this kind of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: one of big army grunt guy his whole life, and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: then he yeah, and then he has these high aspirations
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: of becoming a Green Beret. You know, he wanted to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: be in their army since he was a little kid.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: As he gets older, he's like, God, I could be
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: like Roundbo. So he enters the program, and the official
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: narrative is that he fucking you know, passed the first test.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: And then he goes in there and he hikes and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: gets all these blisters on his feet and gives up
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: and he fucking drops out and says it, says it's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: the biggest shame of his life. He can't cut it.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: And then he leaves that and you know, leaves the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: military and becomes this disgruntled, fucking guy who wants to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: bring it all down, and he gets radicalized and he
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: falls into this white national shit a while, like the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: ruby rich shit that they're trying to spend. And so
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: he ends up at this place that I mentioned, Eloheim City,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: and he meets this other guy, Terry Nichols. Fuck is
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: that his name sounds right? And they planned this thing
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: and it's just all set up to look like McVeigh
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: acted alone but had a sidekick. That kind of I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: think he ended up getting multiple life sentences. Of course,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: McVeigh was executed, but when you start looking at this
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: from a conspiratorial angle, it gets way more fucking interesting
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: because apparently mcveigh's story is that he fucking excelled so
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: much at the Green Beret program that they pulled him
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: and like four or five other guys might have been
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: as many as ten. They excelled to the point where
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: they were like, you guys are going to be a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: special unit. You were going to fake a discharge from
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: the army and you will be used for assassinations, covert
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: ops and all this shit. Now he's been up until
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: the day is well.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: That makes way fucking more since.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Well, so if you want to really get into this,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: I recommend what's his name, James Corbett. You guys, you
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: know James Corbett is. He's this Canadian guy who moved
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: over to Japan to teach English and now he's like
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: this fucking huge conspiracy guy. He has a YouTube channel
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: that's like fifteen years old, but he makes great documentaries.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: He does weekly podcasts, and he did a fifty seven
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: minute you know, it's under an hour, and it's all
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: about this other narrative of Timothy McVay, And there is
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: physical fucking documentation that like really heavily suggests that McVeigh
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: was telling the truth.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: Of course he was.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: And there's this John Doe two that kept popping up
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: in the news right after the rider truck exploded. And
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: then security footage shows this guy that wasn't Terry Nichols.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Fuck McVeigh parks the rider truck in front of the building,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: gets out, walks away, This guy in the passenger who
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: isn't Terry Nichols passenger side, he gets out, goes out,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: gets in the back with the bomb, gets out, walks away,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: comes back again, and then leaves and as soon as
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: he does, it blows up.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: Oh for fox sake.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Now, in the meantime, Timmy the McVeigh, his getaway car
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't have fucking license plates. He gets maybe two miles
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: away from it from the incident and gets pulled over
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: right away. And at this point we have like a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: basic Lee Hervey Oswald thing.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: So he's a patsy.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a patsy. He was on a mission
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: and probably didn't know the extent of his like final destination.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: Oh my god.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: So I mean there's a lot of details in that
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: are missing, but that's basically like and you.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 8: Know, I've went and I've walked the Oklahoma City bombing memorial,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 8: and just like with nine to eleven and a lot
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 8: of these memorial sites, there's a reflection pool and there
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 8: is the exact time when the bomb went off, and
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: it's all lit up in white marble, and it's just
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 8: really ritualistic looking. They have a chair to represent every
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 8: like a big chair to represent every dead adult, and
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: then they have these little tiny chairs to represent every
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 8: dead child, and it's just I don't know.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Well and think about it like this.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 8: Oh, and they have a marble statue of Jesus turning
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: his back away from the bombing site in like crying
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 8: in shape.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: David Koresh, I guess. So. One thing I always kind
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: of wonder is if McVeigh was inspired by the Ruby
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Rich standoff and Waco where he's disgusted the innocent kids
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: were killed. Why the fuck would he go blow up
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: something right next to a daycare? Daycare?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 8: So the daycare was inside the building. Yeah, that makes
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 8: a ton of sense, Right, I'm so sad about these
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: kids dying that I'm gonna go blow some.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Up and if you start looking into like the real
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: weeds on this, you get into all sorts of nine
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: to eleven type shit, like people claiming they saw undercover
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: and military like marit militarily. Is that even an adjective?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Dressed men putting shit like fucking Sea four stuff up
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: under the pillars and shit like that. Yeah, witness testimony.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 8: Building seven shit.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it just reeks of the same
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: playbook over and over. Luckily we didn't find any you know,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: passports that survived oh boy fires, but uh, you get
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: everything else pretty much.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 8: I will say, go in and visiting the memorial and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: seeing that statue of Jesus with his back turn to it,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 8: is like, why would you even do that? Why would
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: you even build a statue of Jesus with his back
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: turned like he can't even look at it because it's
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: so awful, Like, Okay, that's who fucking who fucking decided
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 8: to create that shit?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Probably Tony Podesta, you know what I mean.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 8: It's like Jesus turned his back on it.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: That's a verse of the Bible that I did not read,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: And Jesus gave the cold shoulder.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 8: To the bombing victims.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Jesus turned his childer it.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 8: But I guess is there anything else you wanted to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: add before we take a short break?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean go government, Yeah, Usa, Usa,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: You guys, you're so fucking badass. I can't even handle it.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: Keep doing what you do, boo.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: All right, with that being said, let's take a quick
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 8: break and we will be back right after this.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 9: Hey everyone, it's Haila from the Unfiltered Rice podcast and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 9: I'm here to tell y'all a little about the nineties.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: Julia is doing a new series on this and she
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 9: asked me to drop a couple things about growing up
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 9: at that time. Friends, since I am old, but it
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 9: was it was a cool time to be around.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 9: We had the meshing of the music world. The hairbands
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 9: were going out, Nirvana.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: Was going in.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 8: We had awesome rap songs. We also had some.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 9: Weird songs like you could not go anywhere without the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 9: damn Bodyguard song I Will Always Love You, And every
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 9: time it came on it was just so cringey.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: And I know it's a pretty song, but I just.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 8: Don't do slow songs and it was really sappy.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 9: So that was not fun. But hey, we got things
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 9: like the Offspring. We got things like Nirvana. We got
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 9: Insane in the membrane and regulate us, so you know,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 9: we can't really complain there. We also had some awesome movies,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 9: you know, like a few good Men, the Matrix, like
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 9: Complete Iconic and little did I know how much that
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 9: would play into my future Dracula and I really liked
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 9: the show called American Me. And probably a lot of
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 9: people think that's weird because it doesn't really fit me,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 9: but hey, I could relate. Also, there was big, big
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 9: things on TV.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 9: We had the La Riots, we had Rodney King, we
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: had OJ. Everywhere you went, like every single TV, in
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 9: every restaurant, in every I don't know, everywhere you went,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 9: it was OJ was on TV. So I was super
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 9: glad when that one was over. To be honest, I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 9: find it fascinating now, but then I just wasn't about it.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 9: When you're trying to eat, you're going out to the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 9: training table, you know, it was awesome place to go.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: They need to bring you your fry sauce.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: If you're from Utah like I am, and if you
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: guys are from Utah, you just laughed a little bit.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: I also loved Big Boys, JB's and that went out
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 9: of business too, I means some of the old iconic
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: things and Utah Noodle Company in Ogden. If you guys
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 9: are from Utah, you probably know that place, and I
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 9: had a lot of good memories there, so you know,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: these are just a few things that I thought were awesome.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 9: I also was really into country line dancing.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: For all of you that may not know.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 9: Even though I low key listened to rap on this
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: side and kept out a secret, I was a huge cowgirl, like.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: Wore brush coppers every day to school.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 9: So yeah, that's yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I had ropers in every color.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: It was all ridiculous.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: But glad that phase is over.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 9: But there's always going to be a little cowgirl in me.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 9: So anyways, that's a little about my nineties experience, and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 9: I hope this is a fun and awesome little blip
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 9: about my life and grown up in the nineties. So
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 9: catch me on the next one and see me at
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 9: the Unfiltered Griys podcast all about more months, murder and Mayhem.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: You don't want to miss it?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Are you having a rectile? This Moncton. Everybody who listens
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: to conspiracy podcast needs Bonder pills.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 8: Red and we are back, and during the quick break,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: Colby and I decided that I've tried to jam so
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: much information into this Part three that we're probably gonna
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: have to go ahead and do a part four. But
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 8: before we wrap things up, I do want Kolby to
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 8: talk about something that is actually integral to our love story.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go out with a bang, a shotgun bang
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: to be specific. Don't laugh it is. That's the death
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: of a generation.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: One of your heroes, right Kurt Cobain.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, Kurt Cobain was a great musician and probably an asshole,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: but he didn't deserve what he got well.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 8: And the reason I say it's integral to our love
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: story is because it was one. It was the first
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 8: episode that we did together apart from being in like
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 8: a group or like a swapcast, and we did an
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 8: episode on Kurt and Courtney, and I was really not
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 8: very familiar with all the conspiracy surrounding Kurt. I knew
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 8: that it probably wasn't as the mainstream narrative would love
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 8: us to believe that he had shot himself in the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: head with shotgun. But Colby does a great job of
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: making it make more sense. So I'll let you take
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 8: the reins, give us the cliffs notes on Kurt and Courtney.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, I could give a very condensed version
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: without all the details, because I did freshen up on
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Ruby Ridge, and we've been kind of in the Waco
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: thing for a while. I don't know that I've looked
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: into Kobaan for a couple of years since we recorded it.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: But I mean the reason you and I wanted to
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: cover is because it was trying to be demonstrable on
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Courtney loved being a baitas sex kitten and kind of
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: like holding the reins of Laurel Canyon too. Point zero.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Going over, we go first with the post punk movement
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: in Europe, where she spent some time handing out LSD
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: with CIA handlers and fucking members of Echo and the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: Bunnyman and the Pogues and probably leaving some people out.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: And then she comes.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 9: Back to.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: The States, you know, and her like even a little
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: more backstory. Her dad was the manager of the Warlocks
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: who later became the Grateful Dead, likely a handler of
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: sorts himself, and he is the daughter or the father
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: of probably one of the most I don't know. You
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: talk about Marylyn a lot and I think my Marilynd
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: has to be Courtney and her story is not even over.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: But you just look at this woman in the nineties,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: and she was everywhere, and she wreaked havoc wherever she went.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, whether it was part of the plan
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: in her mission to infiltrate the grunge scene like she did,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I got to think at least some of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: it was. But Nirvana was the vehicle that you know,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: the Laurel Canyon esque puppeteers picked to kind of just
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: take a broom and get rid of all the fucking
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: gay ass hair metal that was dominating the scene. And
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: you know, they were an underground band for a significant
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: amount of time, and you can't take that from Nirvana,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: but they definitely were used to usher in the version
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: of grunge that mainstream likes to talk about, because you
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: can go back to the eighties in Seattle and there
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: was a real big underground movement going on to the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: point where it did get the attention of you know
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: whoever is at the helm of all of this, to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: the point where Nirvana became this overnight sensation with their
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: second album and Anybody Alive in the nineties remembers that
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: because when you hear a Nirvana song, it just speaks
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: to everything that was going on in mainstream society. You
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: had all this like self loathing, confusion, and it was
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: going from goth into this newer thing. Emo quite wasn't
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: a thing yet, but everybody started fucking dressing like they
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: lived in the Pacific Northwest and flannel, you know, denim
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: work bootsies. Yeah, like all of a sudden, all these
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: industrial workers, they were in style. They've been dressing like
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: that their entire lives. And then they turn on MTV
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: and they see these fucking guys with the guitars, dressed
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: like they're getting ready to hop in a logging truck, right,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: And it really did usher in like the I'm so depressed,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: I just want to do heroin and kill myself and
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, fuck Nirvana. It just sucks that that's kind
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: of like the epitome of what they brought. But the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: music speaks for itself, and we always talk about separate
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: in the art from the artist. Yes, now, I don't
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: know exactly what you want to get into with like
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: his death.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 8: But well it wasn't the first time she tried to
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: kill him, because he went somewhere on a trip, right,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: and he was roofied. They said he was going to
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 8: roofie himself to death.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in Rome. And this was very likely
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: the first attempt at taking Kurt's life, and he survived
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: by all accounts.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 8: Did you want to die like that? Yeah, I mean, like,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: who's roofying themselves to death?
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: Well, And that's the other thing is, if you want
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: to just backtrack a little bit, Kurt had like really
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: bad stomach problems and he ended up getting addicted to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Heroin after he met Courtney, and he ended up quitting
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Heroin before they were, you know, going through their big
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: thing where he was trying to divorce her before the
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: second attempt was successful. But in this first one, she
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: was there the whole time, and she ended up like
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: kind of staging this thing where she expected him to
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: die and she was going to be by his side.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: But he pulled through, and by many accounts, he was
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: never the same after that. He had some kind of
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: oxygen deprivation side effects, and he also entered like the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: most peaceful and happy stage of his life after that,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: and he was trying to get away from her. And
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: if you guys want like a big detailed presentation of this.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: The episode that I was on with Cosmic Patch here
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: was what how many years ago, like a year and
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: a half ago.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know, I don't remember, maybe two years ago.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of a swapcast. It was called
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, we lay out all of the details on
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: all of this and how it led to his death,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: and that.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 8: I think I called it Kurt and Courtney smells like homicide.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: I called mine loves the four letter, And it's just
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I think many people out there who
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: lived through the nineties can't think of the nineties without
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Nirvana being there.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: Well, And so the suicide note we talk about in
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: that show because it sounded more like, uh, I'm breaking
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: up with Nirvana better than a suicide letter. And it
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: seemed to us by reading it that fucking Courtney either
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: wrote the end half of it, or she wrote like
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 8: she wrote some of it.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: She wrote probably the beginning of it and the very
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: end of it.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 8: Like she found something in his notebook where he was
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 8: talking about breaking up with Nirvana, and she kind of
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 8: like added a top in a bottom and made it
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 8: a suicide note.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: And she had the big spectacle of reading it on
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: TV and crying. It's kind of like those fucking atf
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: agents and the Waco Netflix documentary.
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  Speaker 8: If you if you look at the at the crime
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 8: scene itself, he had shoes on, right, but in order
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 8: to do what he did, he would have had to
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 8: pull the trigger with his toe.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had so much Heroin in his system.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 8: That nobody's thinking that shit through.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you're shitting there, od and to death and you're like,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: I should probably just finish the job with.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: The shotgun, but then and then also put my.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Shoe back on, right.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 8: I mean, there's like I said that all the tires
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: were slashed on his car.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: Well, there was so much. I mean, like I said
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: in your an episode.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 8: Splash my own tires, take my shoe off, od on heroin,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 8: shoot myself in the face with the shotgun, then put
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: my shoe back on before I succumb to the big
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 8: bullet wound in my head.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: And there's all these people that were kind of you
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: know in the orbit of Curtain Courtney at the end,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: that were very unsavory people, many of them there when
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: it happened. The guy that did it that I think
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: did it. Fuck, I don't even remember his name now,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: but he was kind of always a presence with Courtney
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: and Kurt, and she had a lot of people that
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: she kind of controlled. And you know, you can go
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: down rabbit holes on Kristin Path, the bass player of
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: her band hole who pretty much it's evident at this
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: point that Curtin Kristen had a plan to like work
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: musically together. But if you look a little deeper, it
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: looks like they may have had a little romance and
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: she was taking out what less than Tuma or fuck,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 8: It might have been well she fucking turned up dead too.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what she was getting ready to move out of La. Well.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 8: The thing is, Babe, is like anyone around Courtney seems
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 8: to fucking have all these tragedies if they get in
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 8: her way.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: I mean she had goons that were like current and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: ex police officers that she would pay to kick the
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: shit out of people that pissed her off.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, I mean she's like literally the Scarlet Horre.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 8: But I do want to in our next episode together,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 8: I want to touch on like maybe some John Benet stuff.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 8: I want to touch on some more Franklin scandal and
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: McMartin stuff, because those were both big nineties things that
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 8: I don't feel like get enough attention as being nineties things.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that because mainly the Franklin stuff was eighties.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: Well, it trickled over in Ada.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely worth touching on, and we could
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: even like give a little teaser about stuff we're going
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: to do together. Regarding Hunter s Thompson, Oh, Hunter s Thompson, Yeah,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: well you get into the Franklin scandal, it's just yeah,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: it does spill over into the nineties even though it
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: was an eighties thing.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: I also want to kind of get into Princess Die
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: and Heaven's Gate Cult, which I have a lot of
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 8: information I want to talk to you about with Heaven's
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: eight But it's like you said when we were on
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 8: the break, all of these topics are deserving of a
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: certain amount of time, and I don't want to try
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 8: to cram too much stuff into this episode. But I
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 8: know you loved Nirvana. I was kind of a fan.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: I was not as much as Colby.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Oh I still. I mean, they're just any album you
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: throw on. There's not a bad song, and it does
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: suck that Cobaine seemed to be somebody who would have
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: just remained relevant no matter what he did. And he
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: just had a passion, and it's why he was used as,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: you know, the spearhead of the grunge movement and the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: tragedy that they chose to write, you know, he was
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: a main character in it. I do think a lot
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: of these people in Laurel Canyon were spared. I think
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: Kerr Goobain definitely did die, you know, it's those things
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: that I think was staged.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: I think he definitely did die too. And he's also
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 8: mentioned in season one of American Horror Story with the
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 8: Kid that it's like a call him Bye esque and
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 8: he also mentions that his idol is Kurt Cobain and
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 8: I don't know that season. It's like I always fucking say,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 8: I think we're living in a season of American Horror Story,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 8: probably the most interesting one because we're living like a
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: combination of all the seasons put together.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: It's a big American Horror Story. Snowball just keeps rolling
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: down the hill and getting bigger.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah. But so with that being said, we're gonna take
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 8: the last break and we will be back next week
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 8: with part four of the nineties Night. I hope to
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 8: see you there. Thanks everyone for listening, and I'll catch
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 8: you on the.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Next one, Tata.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 12: So, since the audio recording just won't work for me
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 12: this morning, I've decided to send a video, so let's
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 12: go all right. So, as far as what I can remember,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 12: as far as in the nineties is concerned, the quintessidential
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 12: soundtrack of the nineties was red Hot Chili Pepper scar
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 12: Tissue and the entirety of the soundtrack from D two
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 12: to the Mighty Ducks. I stand by that this was
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 12: this was the only music that even resonated at all
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 12: with me in the nineties, and as far as my
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 12: fondest memories, and I know it's become a meme and
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 12: it's become very you know, stereotypical, but the facts are
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 12: the facts.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: Me and my boys staying over at one.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 12: Of my friend's houses, who you know, had a Nintendo
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 12: sixty four. He was the only guy on the street
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 12: that had won and he had just gotten the new game,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 12: Golden Eye, which was the first first person shooter ever,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 12: and we would stay up all night long just binging
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 12: on Surgeon Dorito's and not the three D Doritos. Honestly,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 12: the regular Dorito's but still just gallons of surge and
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 12: we would go ham on this Nintendo sixty.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Four four hours.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: And I could also say as far as the.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 12: Least fond memories of the nineties was actually because of
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 12: my upbringing.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: And I'll explain so, John Binney Ramsey.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 12: Got pretty big in the nineties, and my mother, being
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 12: my mother, became the ultimate helicopter mom, and we thought
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 12: that she was crazy for that. At the time, there
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 12: was an arcade at the Mall Louisiana where they parents
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 12: would dropped their kids off and they would go shop
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 12: and then they would come back and the kids would have.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: A blast and it was all good.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 12: My mother was of the belief that that could not happen.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 12: She couldn't let us go to restrooms by ourselves at
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 12: movie theaters, she couldn't let us do anything like that,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 12: because what if somebody's in there waiting for you.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: And we thought she was crazy. Hindsight twenty twenty. Mom
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: knew what was up very early on.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 12: And I gotta say, though, I know that while everybody
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 12: says that the nineties ended with Y two K, I
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 12: respectfully disagree for me anyway, as far as the.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: Time frame of the nineties.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 12: It ended with me in February of two thousand and
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 12: one when Dale Earnhardt Sr.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: Went into the wall.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 12: I was watching the race that day with my dad,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 12: and that was pretty much when I felt the innocence.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: And the old ways.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 12: Died with him that day when he swooped in to
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 12: try to get out to get Jeff Gordon out of
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 12: the way so Dale Junior could take the whim and
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 12: instead hit the wall face first at two hundred miles
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 12: an hour.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: That was it. That was it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 12: A bit of my childhood died that day. And yeah,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 12: I will say the nineties overall was a good time,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 12: but had its wildness with it. And I also can
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 12: remember fond memories of my parents with their cellular phones,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 12: not cell phones, cellulars, and they were They had Singular
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 12: wireless and if anybody can remember, Singular wireless got bought
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 12: out by AT and T and it was that little
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 12: orange figure on it and whatever. But I remember thinking
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 12: that this was the wildest thing because my parents would
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 12: be sitting in the kitchen talking on their cell phone
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 12: while we had a landline.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: Two feet away from them, and somehow that was deemed normal.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: Oh and a.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 12: Pager on their hips, so they had all of this
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 12: going on, and it's not like they were like business
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 12: types at all. I think this was their version of,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 12: like in the nineties, keeping up with the Joneses. But
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 12: uh yeah, And I remember we had to get a
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 12: secondary landline just so we could use the internet and
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 12: the phone at the same time.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: And we thought that was like hot shit.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: But yeah, the.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 12: Nineties were definitely an era unto themselves.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: And you will know my name is the law.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 10: But I lay my tender upon.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 8: As a.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: Welcome to Gudburger home out the Goodburger.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: Can't I take yards? You can take the manager.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: Sit right there, I'll tell you how it became.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: The prince of a town called bel Air.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: Cobain's body was found in a house in Seattle on
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: Friday morning. He was dead of an apparently self inflicted
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 6: shotgun blast to the head.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: We have reports from Paris the Dinah, Princess of Wales
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: has been killed in a car accidents.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: Your body back, straights back, all right.