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Detroit Tigers Look To Bounce Back After Sweep · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Bout Territory Network, a Detroit Tigers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Karen Steckley, with me.
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  Speaker 1: As always as a man who was working on a
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  Speaker 1: theory that the true meeting of Hotel California is not
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  Speaker 1: hitting with runners in scoring position.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Sabanhagen. How you doing.
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  Speaker 3: That's good, Karen. I love that song. It's still it
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  Speaker 3: still puzzles me. You just read the Wikipedia page and
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  Speaker 3: like it'll blow your mind a little bit. Maybe you're right,
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's about not hitting.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we are recording this obviously. The Tigers swept by
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  Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Dodgers in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: In a way that.
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  Speaker 1: Like you throw it kind of reminds me, honestly, to
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  Speaker 1: use a football analogy, like it kind of reminds me
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  Speaker 1: like playing the Chiefs, where it's like you think you
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  Speaker 1: kind of have them contained, contained contained, and then mahomes
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  Speaker 1: over the top or Kelsey with a lot with a
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  Speaker 1: big yack play or whatever, and you're like, Yep, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Why they're different.
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  Speaker 1: This series was a few reminders of Yep, that's why
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  Speaker 1: they're different, because like something, yeah, yeah, they they Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the other way of being not like us, right,
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  Speaker 1: not the bragging way. Uh so, which I'm sure a
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  Speaker 1: song is you heard a lot of over over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But it sometimes the game is pretty simple. We've talked
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  Speaker 1: to a lot, We've had a lot of people on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast that you know, going to the complexities of
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  Speaker 1: this and then they're way smarter than you and I.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes it's pretty simple. Sometimes you just be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you're the Tigers. You got three guys that you need
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  Speaker 1: punch from in the lineup. That would be Cold Keith,
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  Speaker 1: that would be Carry Carpenter, that would be Riley Green. Well,
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  Speaker 1: col Keith was over ten and Carry Carpenter was one
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  Speaker 1: free and Riley Green struck out six times. Then you
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  Speaker 1: look at the Dodgers and they had three guys I
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  Speaker 1: mean they have more, but really three main ones that
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  Speaker 1: like make the headlines, and that's Freddie Freeman who had
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  Speaker 1: two home runs, and Otani who was six for eighteen
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  Speaker 1: and had two home runs. And Mookie Betts who was
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  Speaker 1: four for eight and so I may have heard this
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  Speaker 1: before had two home runs. So like so you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's got your series right there? Is that like those
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  Speaker 1: dudes stepped up and the Tigers had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: production outside of those three guys.
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  Speaker 2: Really if you look at him.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about one here in a second,
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  Speaker 1: but it really just kind of comes down to that
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  Speaker 1: for me, like you're just how many series against good
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  Speaker 1: teams are you winning? Where Carrie Carpenter and Colt Keith
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  Speaker 1: combined for one for eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd said entering that series that the Tigers should
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  Speaker 3: be extremely happy if they take one, and in a way,
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  Speaker 3: it's unfortunate they didn't take one because they were right
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  Speaker 3: there in the first two games, and in a way,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of things go different in Game three and
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  Speaker 3: they could have been right there in that one. How
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  Speaker 3: well they played for the most part the first two games,
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  Speaker 3: even the lack of situational hitting, it was almost like,
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  Speaker 3: can they get like half a win for that or something?
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  Speaker 3: You know, But what's the saying, this isn't a try
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  Speaker 3: hard league. That doesn't count. You lost to the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: There still is a little bit of this perception of like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: look at the little Tigers. They played hard. They lost
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  Speaker 3: the games in a way. Game three was not close
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  Speaker 3: in terms of the final score, but maybe the game.
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  Speaker 3: The Tigers had the best chance to win because Roki
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  Speaker 3: Sasaki was hot garbage and he was out of the
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  Speaker 3: game early. They saw an array of bullpen arms. It
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  Speaker 3: was kind of the Dodgers version of pitching chaos for
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  Speaker 3: a day, and had an early lead, couldn't break through,
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  Speaker 3: couldn't mount of anything against that bullpen. It's not an
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  Speaker 3: easy bullpen by any means, but they were set up
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  Speaker 3: early in that game in a really nice position and
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  Speaker 3: really just couldn't generate much after that. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that there are any other grand takeaways. You're playing the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: You weren't expected to do much in that series. You
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  Speaker 3: turn the page and it almost feels like things really
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  Speaker 3: begin here in Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and you know there's a couple of things,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, with the Seattle series, we'll spind it
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  Speaker 1: forward a little bit later, but but it's like you
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  Speaker 1: drop one and it's like, oh, now you're over four,
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  Speaker 1: and then you and then like you know, the percentages
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  Speaker 1: start kind of coming up, and then you start thinking
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  Speaker 1: about like yeah, yeah, well, I mean then you start
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  Speaker 1: thinking I put this on X.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, like.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you look at the projected win totals.
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  Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of them pretty close, all right, So,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, all these kind of fluky games they
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  Speaker 1: get there will be like magnetized at a certain point
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  Speaker 1: if you're in a playoff race, which the Tigers obviously expect.
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  Speaker 2: To be in. I will say that there is If
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  Speaker 2: there was one grand takeaway from this, Cody, is that
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  Speaker 2: I did see.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of the same traits of last year's team,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this past weekend. And what I mean by
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  Speaker 1: that is and we'll get the one of the play
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  Speaker 1: of the weekend, the most talked about play of the
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  Speaker 1: weekend was an example of that. They're still going to
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  Speaker 1: be aggressive on the base pass. You know, there's there.
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  Speaker 1: There's still going to look at manufacturing runs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: via hits, and you're not gonna and as of now
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  Speaker 1: you're not really getting the whole lot of pop either,
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  Speaker 1: but you're finding a way and being in it and
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  Speaker 1: trying to play smart. Uh, those things are still part
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  Speaker 1: of the makeup of this team, which obviously makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's basically all the same guys
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  Speaker 1: plus touris right, So like like that was encouraging for me.
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  Speaker 1: Is that I feel like they still had, like the
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  Speaker 1: plan and the approach aspect of it was still there.
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  Speaker 1: And and the reason like yeah, of course why wainning
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  Speaker 1: to the coaching staff player.
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  Speaker 2: Year to year?
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  Speaker 1: These things don't always translate, right, That's just a general fact.
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  Speaker 1: So like I was encouraged to see that, and you were.
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  Speaker 1: You would have felt really good about and one win
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  Speaker 1: out of the way, just so you don't have this
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  Speaker 1: like win list, you know, thing kind of hanging over
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  Speaker 1: your head because something he could have month happened Monday, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then you then you like, you know, keep having
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  Speaker 1: this discussion. It's like you always might get the first
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  Speaker 1: win as early as you can. Uh, let let's let's
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  Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go to the most talked about aspect
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  Speaker 1: of the weekend, Cody.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's label. Let's get the record straight
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  Speaker 2: on this. What was Margo actually out? He actually out?
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  Speaker 2: Was he actually out?
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  Speaker 3: Was he out? I know people don't want to hear that.
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  Speaker 3: I think he might have been out twice. Oh should
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  Speaker 3: he have.
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  Speaker 2: Been ruled out?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a little bit of a different question.
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  Speaker 3: Was the replay clear and convincing? He was called safe
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  Speaker 3: in the moment on the field. Here a couple of screenshots.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the play the night the angle, the best angle
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  Speaker 3: I saw the night of I think he might be
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  Speaker 3: out there. There's a tag on this guy's leg. Is
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  Speaker 3: his hand touching the plate? But I think I could
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  Speaker 3: be convinced he's out there. I would not say that
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  Speaker 3: that is a clear angle. I didn't see this play
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  Speaker 3: this angle until the next morning. That looks pretty clear
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  Speaker 3: to me that your boy is out If there's any
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  Speaker 3: doubt that that glove is on his pants, the fact
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  Speaker 3: that there is a ripple, I think that's pretty clear.
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  Speaker 3: Aj Hinch submitted basically a query to the league what
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  Speaker 3: did the replay official see? And they basically sent him this. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Ajhinch disagrees with me. He said, I still don't see
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  Speaker 3: the out I think I see the out here, Kier
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  Speaker 3: and I really think I do.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing we have gotten out of hand when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to replay, because the the bringing in a
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  Speaker 1: replay into all sports, into baseball specifically here was not
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  Speaker 1: so that you can move your Apple iPhone camera app
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  Speaker 1: really really close on the TV screen and over the grains,
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  Speaker 1: say like, yeah, it looks like, you know, he was
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  Speaker 1: tagged there in this that you can't see where the
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  Speaker 1: hand is. There was no angle, there was no sequence
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  Speaker 1: that showed a better angle than what the home play
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  Speaker 1: umpire had two feet from it in front of them.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, number two.
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  Speaker 1: If you have to do this much, I think it
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  Speaker 1: looks like blah blahlah blah. Then it's not clear and convincing,
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  Speaker 1: and you just look. Let the call in the field stand.
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  Speaker 1: If he was called out and they took over a
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  Speaker 1: minute to review it, I would say, yeah, call the field,
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  Speaker 1: call the field, Call the field calling the field, because
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's not clear and convincing if it
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  Speaker 1: takes you more than sixty seconds to ninety seconds to
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  Speaker 1: figure it out, that's just my opinion. We have all
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  Speaker 1: these cameras, we have all these angles, and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that like Aj Hinch, I'm there's some bias there. But
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  Speaker 1: if he was clearly out, AJ would have no problem
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  Speaker 1: next day being like, yeah, like he was out. You
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  Speaker 1: know the same thing with like Dan Dickerson on the radio,
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  Speaker 1: like like these are people la people call him dias
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  Speaker 1: and that's fine, but these are people that like are
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  Speaker 1: fully capable of being honest and it's so. And so
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this is even discussion means it's not
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  Speaker 1: clear and convincing. And I think it's a misuse of
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  Speaker 1: replay in my opinion, in the history of baseball.
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  Speaker 2: If that guy is wild safe, he is, he is safe? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like it like, there's not that technology.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we put this in for a reason. It's
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  Speaker 3: to get calls right.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know if they did get the call right.
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  Speaker 3: I think they got the call right. I think there's
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  Speaker 3: a picture of the glove on the guy's leg.
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  Speaker 1: Is it clear and convincing. I think there's a picture,
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  Speaker 1: Like I say, there's a picture like I believe.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's clear and convincing. I think if we
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  Speaker 3: would have had that angle on TV the night of
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  Speaker 3: people would not have been as worked up as they
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  Speaker 3: ended up being. I don't, like I said in the moment,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was convincing. Seeing now what replay saw,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's fair to call it clear and convincing. Also,
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers came back, took the lead after that and
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  Speaker 3: still blew it, so maybe it doesn't matter all that much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's still there's there's still an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: win that game.
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  Speaker 2: That is true.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't it's a misuse of replay in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: to like to go that do you get the whole
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  Speaker 1: call right? Is not actually what they're supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: It's the clear convincing part of it because if you
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  Speaker 1: get because.
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  Speaker 3: They're just supposed to not look at all the angles.
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  Speaker 1: What they're supposed to do is that if it's one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent, it's one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: So if it's not one hundred percent, it's not about
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  Speaker 2: getting it right.
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  Speaker 3: About what's one hundred percent?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a it's a love.
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  Speaker 3: On the guy's leg, isn't one hundred percent?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, zoomed in angle where you can't see where his
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  Speaker 1: arm is, and then you got to add up all
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  Speaker 1: these pieces like to me, to me, like, that's not
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  Speaker 1: just like getting it right is like the civil court system,
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  Speaker 1: and we're supposed to be doing the criminal court system
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the standard, and I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: met that standard.
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  Speaker 2: That's all. That's all.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a good discussion. I think it's a
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  Speaker 3: fair discussion. I think we can stop talking about the play.
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  Speaker 1: You know who's seeing the ball well as if it
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  Speaker 1: was in perfect crystal clear four k HD, that would
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  Speaker 1: be one Spencer Tolson, Spencer Tourglesen. Those keeping score at
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  Speaker 1: home had a four for nine weekend and that includes
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  Speaker 1: not one, not two, not three, but five five walks
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  Speaker 1: including you know you only had one after opening days,
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  Speaker 1: so whatever, but.
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  Speaker 2: But Specier Torguls and a to close the series.
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  Speaker 1: The first series of the season is starting at first
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  Speaker 1: base and batting third. Just as we all predicted he
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  Speaker 1: would in January. So how about it? How about this game?
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  Speaker 1: We love baseball, and how about especially to Wolsen. Look
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  Speaker 1: is he back? I don't know, but but every single
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  Speaker 1: encouraging sign that you would want in order for him
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  Speaker 1: to be serviceable, to average, to some semblance of an
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  Speaker 1: impact bat, every check mark has occurred for him. And
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  Speaker 1: for that, at least right now in the moment, it's
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  Speaker 1: a great story and he deserves a lot of credit.
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  Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent. I've said before, Torklesen has been
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  Speaker 3: probably the single hardest player to write about and talk
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  Speaker 3: about because I don't know. It's it's been easy to
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  Speaker 3: ride the roller coaster, and then it's been easy to
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  Speaker 3: Now now we have thirteen fourteen hundred plate appearances of
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  Speaker 3: data points that suggest and maybe this isn't real, but
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  Speaker 3: then you watch it and the guy's passing the eye test.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, you can't necessarily overreact to three games, but
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  Speaker 3: I think you can have some reaction to a month
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  Speaker 3: plus of really good performance at the plate, including spring training,
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  Speaker 3: and early on in spring I was not that big
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  Speaker 3: of a believer. It was like, I'm glad the guy's
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  Speaker 3: doing well. I'm glad he's made some adjustments. How big
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  Speaker 3: of a difference is it going to make? But when
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  Speaker 3: you see him consistently put together good at bats, when
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  Speaker 3: you see him cover the whole plate and drive pitches
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  Speaker 3: that he was not driving a year ago, and then
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  Speaker 3: more importantly, you see him do that in the regular
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  Speaker 3: season against tough pitching, maybe important as anything. Having disciplined
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  Speaker 3: at bats, having takes where he looks really confident. Remember
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  Speaker 3: last year the Tigers were saying, like his takes are
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  Speaker 3: telling everything. He's not in a good position he you know,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't look comfortable in his decision. The guy's locked
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  Speaker 3: in right now. The question obviously will that last? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not here to make the prediction. If
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  Speaker 3: he keeps doing the things he's doing right now, he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be in a position to have success, and
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  Speaker 3: maybe that could be nothing short of a game changer
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  Speaker 3: for this Tigers lineup. What did you need this offseason
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  Speaker 3: a right handed power bat? Maybe I had one and
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  Speaker 3: it was the guy you almost almost were moving on from. I,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, hard to know, but even just talking
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  Speaker 3: with Tourglesen, I had one on one for just a
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  Speaker 3: couple of minutes. The other day, and it was probably
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  Speaker 3: the most convicted I have seen him. You can tell
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  Speaker 3: he's feeling good about things. You can tell he is
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  Speaker 3: feeling confident. I think it was just some of the
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  Speaker 3: most like adamant he had ever been with his words
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  Speaker 3: and talking about you know, I can climb back from anything.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a lot of fight in me. In some ways,
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  Speaker 3: the words he were saying were kind of athletic cliches,
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  Speaker 3: but they weren't necessarily things I'd heard come out of
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  Speaker 3: the mouth of Spencer Tourglesen before, were at least not
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  Speaker 3: in a long long time. So I'm pretty encouraged right now.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see if it continues.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is like he's there is there's a
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  Speaker 1: graphic from one of his postseason swings in Cleveland, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you see like the setup in the load
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  Speaker 1: like in Los Angeles, and it is like completely different,
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  Speaker 1: like like it it looks like I think Petrie, like
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  Speaker 1: either Petrie or Dickerson a candiate to you know, like
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  Speaker 1: the athletic stance and like you know basketball or you
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  Speaker 1: know football, the general athletic stance. And he was not
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  Speaker 1: like he felt like more, he felt like more in control.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't feel like overextended. It's just, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a layman way of kind of describing it,
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  Speaker 1: and and that's all well and good, like that's important.
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  Speaker 1: Uh he you know the quote I was thinking back
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  Speaker 1: to when we you know, you played a clip of
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  Speaker 1: him when he got sent down, and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he could still claim the swing is the same.
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  Speaker 1: It's like everything else is different, which you know, more
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  Speaker 1: good on you if that's how we want.
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  Speaker 2: To interpret it.
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  Speaker 1: But I really do think the number one thing is
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  Speaker 1: the takes. Like I like that you conclude that in
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  Speaker 1: the story. I like that you brought that up here
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  Speaker 1: because these were not I mean, he he had a
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  Speaker 1: better eye than the umpire and a couple of these
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  Speaker 1: beats to be honest, but you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: And like he he felt assured of himself. He felt
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: like honestly, he looked like Jay hen in terms of approach,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: just like in terms of just like knowing the zone.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: He knew the zone very well.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: This past weekend.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, he's able to you know, be one
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of the hitting highlights of the team, including the home
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: run and opening day, like like I said earlier, involved
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: being like the aspects of the team and whether they
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: were there from last year, it is sustainable. Like, I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: feel like those elements are in place there, and I
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: think for Torque the elements are in place for him
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: to again be productive.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I don't know what
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: that means, but it does.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Like if he's carrying himself in that way in the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: batter's box, I think he can be productive. And I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: think like you might actually have to make him an
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: outfielder if you, if you really need to, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: have him on the field because hitting like.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: This, you can pencil him in a d H more
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: days than not.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So sure.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Sure against right handed pitching, that was one of the
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: questions early on, and why I advocated for him in
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: the outfield. Right is hitting this much? But maybe it
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: simplifies a lot, or maybe it doesn't. What are what
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: else are we supposed to talk about here? In a
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: second labor torres Man, we already the one right handed
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: bath that Tigers did get. Could he already be hurt?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: That would be unfortunate? Has been swinging it well, obviously
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: after his homer the other night, came up grabbing his side.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Kudos to Glaber for like being a pro a New
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: York Yankee. He was standing as locker after the game.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Knew the media would want to talk to him and
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: gave a concise, reasonable update. Didn't make any grand proclamations,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: but said he was feeling good, kind of explained he
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: had been dealing with some soreness for a few years.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Joked that maybe he's just getting old. A jas gave
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: him an off day Sunday, the weirdest Sunday off day
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: of all time. By the way, we'll see if he's
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: in the lineup here Monday night against the Mariners. I
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: don't know. It's one of those things that could be like, Okay,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: if he needs four or five days, you just go
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: ahead and put him on the tin dail. Supposedly it
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: was not an oblique Supposedly he doesn't even need an MRI.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: But also, like I've said, I don't know. I'm always
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: skeptical about that stuff. I think the Tiger's got to
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: hope he's healthy. They have enough injury woes already.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: No doubt about that, because you know, if there is
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: any sort of I l stint, I don't is there
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a slam dunk option?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Guse.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I know they put the base there's Cold Keith's in
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: second base to work at first, bring up a little
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Jayen right, I mean Jace Young would also be a
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: candidate here. But I think given you can do that shuffle,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: you could dh Jahan. I think that's the move.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: That's that is probably the move.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: But when I say slam dunk, slam dunk guarantees two points,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: That we're convincing.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not convinced. I don't know if you are convinced.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: It's Jayan Well, like a lefty bat in Jace and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: you got to keep Kridler in center field, so yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: what else would.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Be, Well, you're you're still gonna have I don't know
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: if Cold Keith might be in a mental funk. I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know what was going going on with him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: He didn't look that confident in the field. He didn't
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: look that confident at the plate. It's just three games,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: but it was not I think you put on X
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: like he'll be glad to leave Dodger Stadium, and it's
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: like site lines are off.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know something.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, just could not get his timing down. Was
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: falling balls off near his feet and there was just
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: no adjustment, and it was kind of all three days. Again.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I still have plenty of faith in cold Keith's ability
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: as a hitter. But what did I predict he was
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: gonna homer the first game in Seattle. I hope he
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: took this off day and like, you know, ventured out
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: into the into the water or something, I don't know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: it went to church. It was Sunday. I think that
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: might be a good move.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: You know, seafood from the market there.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Made me stay away from that seafood. You never know. Actually,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna go get some seafood after this. Yeah,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I hope he comes out looking different. That was obviously
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: an incredibly poor three games. Colton knows it. Even his
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: throw to the plate was like poor, like you just,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know, looks super out of sync and strange.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: What about Riley and carp But he just like he
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just kind of choked that up to just a bad weekend.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Or he had. Especially that third game of that series,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: just did not look to be seeing the ball he
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: was chasing. He was even in the outfield, it didn't
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: seem like he was seeing the ball. Well, I'm not
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: sure what was up with that? But early in the series,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: you know, he put together a couple of nice abs,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: had a big hit. Was it was really just Sunday
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: that excuse me? Game three that was a terrible game
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: for him. And then Carp not a good series at all?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: What was he one for nine, one for one, for
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: eight with a one for eight with a walk. But
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: it wasn't as ugly as as things were with cold
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Keith and Carp got a couple lefty Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: maybe we should keep that one. Didn't necessarily look particularly
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: good in the left at bats, but you can almost
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: forgive him a little bit too. And even even for Colt,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: even though Colts expected to hit lefties and did hit
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: lefties for average last year, he wasn't necessarily getting the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: easiest matchups for a good chunk of that series.
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  Speaker 1: How about Margo almost pacing this team and hits Man.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: But like there's.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because again, like we could spin it
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: forward here for a second.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Like one of the ways.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: That if you want to come across like feeling like okay,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is that you get the production. You got production out
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of guys that you're not necessarily banking on, kind of
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: like what I said earlier, and then you feel very comfortable,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: like carp Green and and Colt are gonna, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: figure it out in a way. And it's just like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you know, you're playing in Defenny Champs, you know, like
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: opening the stuff about opening day, opening weekend. It's like,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: all right, now, maybe you can breathe a little bit.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And he just kind of like their process made had
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: them capable of winning each game. So you so you're
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: not you're not gonna You're not gonna face Murderer's Row. Uh,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you know, every every single every single series. So like
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: in that aspect, you feel you feel like if you
• 25:22
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• 25:24
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• 25:26
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• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But with this Seattle series, Cody, we have ourselves our
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• 25:53
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• 25:56
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• 25:57
  Speaker 2: It's on the road and kind of needed.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: He kind of needs you to come out hot Jackson
• 26:05
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  Speaker 2: Uh, just a reminder for everybody.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Did get sixteen innings in spring training, and you're gonna
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: be on the edge of your steat watching him pitch
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: this year. And that's just it's gonna be an experience.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be experienced. It's gonna be okay, but it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: gonna be an experienced Thirteen k's with six walks, he
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  Speaker 3: it feels like he's debuting all over again because this
• 26:52
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  Speaker 3: seeing Jackson job in Jackson Job's role in the major leagues.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: And I have no idea what's going to happen. Obviously,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: we saw a lot of the good of Job in
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: spring training, and we saw a lot of the areas
• 27:06
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  Speaker 3: he's he was prone to loud contact. He gets to
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  Speaker 3: a lineup that is not necessarily all that potent. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: I also wouldn't be surprised if he gave up three
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if it's kind of one end
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  Speaker 1: Joe all right, Cody, uh, real quick I did want
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to touch on this just for a couple of minutes.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You did write about it, and it was something that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: we had joked about in a prior episode. But we
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: did finally see how Jack Flaherty was gonna get his
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: World Series ring.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: It was on Saturday.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I instinctively was gonna say Sunday too, It was on Saturday. Really,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: it was actually really neat, Like Mookie Freddie, like a
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: lot of the guys like came out and like, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: hugged him, congratulated him, like made him feel like, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's like you're the opponent but like part of the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: team still in a way like that. That's an example,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's why championships are so important and awesome
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and all this stuff. It is because those guys are
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: connected for life, you know, like they will they are
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: they have an exclusive brotherhood. Only the people on that
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: team will ever be able to know what it was
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like to win the World Series that year, right, So,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: like it's it was a pretty cool moment. It seemed
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like Jack was a little a little bit more lack
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of a better term, human, like he just you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: he let the he let the he let it let
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: out that he like that he had that he was
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: feeling like, you know how.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Special that was.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I said after the opener, Jacks the
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: type of guy who keeps it cool and hard to
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: figure out what's kind of going on in his mind sometimes.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: But you saw the emotion on the field when he
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: got his ring. He embraced this. His mom was was touching,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and even after his start talking to him, I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it was kind of some of the most raw emotion
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: we've seen from Jack. In an interview, he admitted to
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: things hitting him and called it an out of body
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: ish experience pitching back in that stadium, back on that
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: mound or ring day, And I asked him, were you
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: surprised that it hit you? And he kind of admitted
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: he had been playing it cool, downplaying it to family,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: downplaying it to friends, downplaying it to the media, But
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: inside he knew what it was going to be like,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: and when the moment came, he certainly felt it. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: think as important as anything here and Jack Flerd he
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: pitched really well for the Tigers. I think you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: he was pretty good in spring training. He had one
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: outing where he was way off and the Villo. You
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: never quite knew. The villa was there, the execution was there.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: It looked very much like the Jack Flaherty we saw
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: in the first half for the Tigers last season. You
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: gotta hope that continues because that would be a big,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: big deal.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, huge deal, because I think, even though I believe
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that last year's team happened as a result of the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: trade and how they had to go about things and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, I don't want to say like, oh, yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I just throw Jack Clarity on that team, but like
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to get a whole year of Detroit Jack Flaherty like
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: makes you feel very good about like the team's chances
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and you know, to make the postseason.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So uh so.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, like if he would have had some
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: weird game, that would have been understandable given the emotions.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: The fact that he was able to you know, put
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: it all together h mentally and physically, I thought was
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: actually really encouraging because I think the most human thing
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: on the planet would have been for him to not
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: be on his game given everything that was that was
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: going on. So all right, that was fun. That was
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a good little discussion. We're spinning it forward. We're gonna
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: see how these tigers do in Seattle. Reminder, we are
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