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Patriots Unfiltered 11/25: Full Breakdown of 26-20 Win Over Bengals, Playoff Picture, Injury Concerns · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Every comes in and he's like, yes, don't tell anybody,
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  Speaker 3: but I just heard from since you did the birl's
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  Speaker 2: You hear Dan Roach like talking.
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  Speaker 3: About, Hey, you know, I just heard from Mike Petragli
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  Speaker 3: and he said.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody, you know, maybe our football teams listening, but they
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  Speaker 1: thought this is the game because they're not worried about
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots pass rush. Put that idea where he was
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  Speaker 4: Thank god, sister, she took care of the grandkids. There
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  Speaker 1: I I haven't heard her.
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  Speaker 5: What it was on the same thing, what shows on
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  Speaker 5: the very same thing NFL Live. I have no idea,
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  Speaker 5: but you are doing right now what Steven A. Smith
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  Speaker 5: is accusing Drake may have doing being intentional.
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  Speaker 1: At time, I don't even know, yes he does.
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  Speaker 6: It's on the Twitter now he's calling me a liar.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't say that you're a liar, said you're being
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  Speaker 5: intentionally I had.
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  Speaker 4: You have to go out of your way to not
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  Speaker 4: know that.
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  Speaker 1: I know Sanders had a really horrible game. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see it, but he never played with the service before.
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  Speaker 1: It was just awful.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, and we are ten and two. When
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  Speaker 1: I say we, I mean the Patriots. But that's we.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's the good news. The good news is
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  Speaker 1: we got out of where will be Cincinnati with a win,
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  Speaker 1: but not unscathed. So we are officially into the grind
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  Speaker 1: of the NFL season, last five game stretch. We still
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  Speaker 1: haven't had our buy and so we saw some injuries
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, and that seems to be the big topic
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  Speaker 1: coming out of it. But I don't think it should be. No,
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  Speaker 1: I really don't. I think the fact that this pain
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  Speaker 1: this team is ten and two, they're at least one
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  Speaker 1: if not two years ahead of schedule. They've got this
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  Speaker 1: young quarterback who we need to talk about how we
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  Speaker 1: started the game. We do need to talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think, I think this is a team set
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  Speaker 1: up that at least in the near term, we'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to weather the grind.
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  Speaker 7: I hope.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I you know, I look, it felt
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  Speaker 3: to me like this is a team kind of limp
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  Speaker 3: into the finish line of the bye week, and how
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  Speaker 3: is it going to look now when we get to
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  Speaker 3: Monday night. Can they somehow just find some energy somehow,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not get to the giants yet.
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  Speaker 2: But they got run all over. They've gotten run all
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  Speaker 2: over again.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about another historically bad element of a defense
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  Speaker 3: like we did last week. It didn't matter last week,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe it can matter this week. Maybe they can
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  Speaker 3: run the ball a little bit and you know, manage
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  Speaker 3: the game that way. But no, it's it's great what
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  Speaker 3: they've done, but I just feel like now it's like
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  Speaker 3: just grind out one more win, get to eleven, buy
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  Speaker 3: and then get to the by and try to like
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  Speaker 3: regroup and get re energized. And it just to me,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know how you guys felt, you were there,
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  Speaker 3: but it seemed like they just were and the injuries
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  Speaker 3: were part of it. But it was, you know, one
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  Speaker 3: of those wins where we got the win, but man,
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  Speaker 3: it took.
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  Speaker 1: It took a lot. While I think they obviously left
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  Speaker 1: points on the board and points on the table, I
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  Speaker 1: mean they didn't put them on the board. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: had opportunities to score more points, to move the ball better.
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  Speaker 1: Early Drake just was off for whatever reason. He was
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  Speaker 1: just off, you know, we credited to just you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what did he say was the reason
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  Speaker 1: just not thinking not you know, thinking too much?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I didn't really say anything really, just.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he said on best when I just you know,
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  Speaker 1: get rid of the ball. And I think that to
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  Speaker 1: me insinuated that he was just thinking too much. Like
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  Speaker 1: whatever he saw he didn't trust, you know, like for example,
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  Speaker 1: that throw to Hunter Henry that he over like he
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  Speaker 1: was wide open, like I like I remember sitting there saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's open, and the ball just sailed over his head.
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  Speaker 2: What was that?
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  Speaker 3: Do you have any theory on that though, Like he
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  Speaker 3: just the wrong side or was just the bad throw.
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  Speaker 4: I think that you could probably just chock it up
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  Speaker 4: to a bad throw. But there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: everything going on with that play. I think we can
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  Speaker 4: we can take that formation for now and let's junk
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  Speaker 4: it all right. You know, they they only had four
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  Speaker 4: offensive linemen blocking on the play. They had Ben Brown
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  Speaker 4: flexed out wide as a non eligible offensive lineman at
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  Speaker 4: this point in the game, and they were trying to
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  Speaker 4: set up a little screen to Trayvon Henderson. It seemed
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  Speaker 4: like on the outside where he had Ben Brown as
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  Speaker 4: a LEA were talking about the pick six.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the pick six. I wasn't talking about that play,
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  Speaker 1: but go ahead, Oh what play were you I was
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  Speaker 1: talking about where? Oh? Maybe I thought it was just
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  Speaker 1: an incomplete Maybe it was the pick stick.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was the I don't think there were
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  Speaker 5: too many completions to Hunter Henry in his game.
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  Speaker 1: So it must have been the pick six. I just yeah, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's okay, So the pick six. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I think the play was designed to throw it out
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  Speaker 4: to the screen to Henderson if they had the numbers.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, why else would you put a lineman out
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  Speaker 4: there unless that was the design of the play. And
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  Speaker 4: I think what ended up happening is, you know, hunter,
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  Speaker 4: Henry just kind of flashed open in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the field, and he just saw it and tried to
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  Speaker 4: layer it in there and and airmailed it. And when
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  Speaker 4: you airmail it in this league, over the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the field going back the other way. Yeah, and so
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  Speaker 4: maybe there was a little bit of you know, Henry
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  Speaker 4: kind of bent it in and he might have thought
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  Speaker 4: he was just going to keep going up the scene.
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  Speaker 1: But no, it went right over his head. So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like behind him or in.
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  Speaker 4: Front of him. No, it was a little behind him.
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  Speaker 1: Really. From where I was sitting, it looked like, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, I sat up, I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: he's open. And then he saw him too.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, when you see it from when you see
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  Speaker 4: it from the end zone angle, it's behind him. So
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  Speaker 4: I thought maybe Henry kind of like bent it around
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  Speaker 4: the linebacker, and so maybe he was kind of thinking
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  Speaker 4: bending a little bit, like almost like a seam bender.
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  Speaker 4: But Drake may wanted him to go straight up the scene.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that that could have if you want
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  Speaker 4: to find a way to make an excuse that it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't just a bad throw, you know. That was probably
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  Speaker 4: the one thing I thought of that maybe it could
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  Speaker 4: have been, but all in all, like he's everyone, so
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  Speaker 4: he's allowed to have a bad throw like it's not
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  Speaker 4: you know, it happens, they move on, and I was
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  Speaker 4: encouraged by how he bounced back for the most part
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  Speaker 4: from it. You know, sometimes you throw a pick six
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  Speaker 4: like that, an ugly interception that can ruin the entire day.
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  Speaker 4: Now the quarterback just goes, especially young quarterback, just goes
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  Speaker 4: into the the crap or the rest of the day.
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  Speaker 4: And and he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think even the rest of the day,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he was that accurate. But he did
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  Speaker 1: recover enough.
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  Speaker 6: To made enough plays to win the game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, which I think is a testament to him
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  Speaker 5: and the team for showing the toughness that they've shown
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  Speaker 5: I think in all twelve games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really yeah, I mean a game start a
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  Speaker 1: game like this last year and forget about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, I know. The start was I mean,
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  Speaker 2: something seemed weird from the beginning. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: And were they doing like a close up of the
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  Speaker 3: of Drace like grip on the ball or something. Were
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  Speaker 3: they talking about that, Like I couldn't On.
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  Speaker 4: The third play, of the game when Jared Wilson went
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  Speaker 4: out of the game. I think it was the third
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  Speaker 4: or fourth play Jared Wilson went out and they ran
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  Speaker 4: a little interior twist inside against Ben Brown and they
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  Speaker 4: didn't pick it up and his arm got hit as
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  Speaker 4: he was throwing the ball. As his arm was moving forward,
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  Speaker 4: Drake took a pretty big hit on his throwing arm,
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  Speaker 4: like his more like his bicep than his hand. I
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  Speaker 4: know some people were talking about his hand, but it
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  Speaker 4: was more about like his actual doing a little of this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and I wonder if maybe it hit the funny bone
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  Speaker 4: or something like that, and he was like kind of
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  Speaker 4: like got tingly and lost a little grip in his hand.
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  Speaker 4: So if you want to look for something like that,
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  Speaker 4: I think that was probably the play that maybe led
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  Speaker 4: to him having a Sometimes you just can't like feel
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  Speaker 4: your hand or it gets tingly or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that could be part of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But the other thing that we need to talk about
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  Speaker 1: is this red zone offense. Many how many times did
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  Speaker 1: they have inside the like at least seven opportunities inside
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  Speaker 1: the five to score.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if you can bin the two red zone drives,
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  Speaker 4: they had nine nine or ten. The first one was
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  Speaker 4: eight plays. But yeah, I mean, look, I guess I
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  Speaker 4: have a little bit of a different tone from this game,
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  Speaker 4: but we can talk about the red zones.
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  Speaker 5: I have a different tone on the red zone specific
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  Speaker 5: I think the red zone problem was specific to this game.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think this has been a major problem all year,
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  Speaker 5: but evidently everybody else does well.
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  Speaker 4: They're twentieth in red zone offense.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, and I thought, I think
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  Speaker 4: Vrabel said this yesterday on EEI like, you have a
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  Speaker 4: very arbitrary like when you're inside the twenty, like it, Like,
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  Speaker 4: so if we score a touchdown from outside the twenty,
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  Speaker 4: then that doesn't count towards our red zone stats, but
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  Speaker 4: we still score a touchdown. I don't like that argument, right, So, like,
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  Speaker 4: I hear what he's saying with that. But their goal
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  Speaker 4: to go red zone offense in Tampa struggled a little bit. Now,
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  Speaker 4: they did get it in on the fourth down play
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  Speaker 4: before halftime, but it took them four tries to get
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  Speaker 4: it in and then they struggled a little bit this week.
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  Speaker 4: But watching it back this week, I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: more about execution than it was about play calling. I
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  Speaker 4: know a lot of is being made out of the
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  Speaker 4: play calling, but like the first trip down into the
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  Speaker 4: red zone, you know, just starting from the beginning, they
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  Speaker 4: he throws a little swing pass in the flat to
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  Speaker 4: Travon Henderson, and I love Travon Henderson, but I'm sorry
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  Speaker 4: that you you have one on one in space against
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  Speaker 4: the linebacker. Score a touchdown, dude, Like make the guy
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  Speaker 4: miss and get into the end zone.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Then he drops back on a play action play from
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  Speaker 4: underneath center and he trips on Mike on wend who
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  Speaker 4: coming out from underneath center. And so Hunter Henry's open.
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  Speaker 5: According to the broadcast, So was the change in the
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  Speaker 5: offensive line that caused that? You know, like the uncertainty
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  Speaker 5: with no no was that played every snap of every game? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Right, and it happens like these things happens all the time.
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  Speaker 4: But you know he's coming out from underneath center, he
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  Speaker 4: stumbles coming out, tripping on his offensive line. Hunter Henry's
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  Speaker 4: open on the corner route for an easy touchdown, and
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  Speaker 4: he can't get it to him fast enough because he's
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  Speaker 4: stumbling and bumbling. So you have that play. Then you
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  Speaker 4: know the fourth down play that they stop the inside run.
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  Speaker 4: It's an RPO. I thought he probably should have kept
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  Speaker 4: it and thrown the ball out in the flat to
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  Speaker 4: Hunter Henry who was open for a touchdown, and staid
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  Speaker 4: he gave the ball to Ramandre Stevenson probably it's bang
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  Speaker 4: bang play it so those are hard to read, but
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  Speaker 4: it probably was better to keep it than to hand
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  Speaker 4: it to Remandre on that particular play. So I thought
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  Speaker 4: that there and then the pick play, you know, which
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  Speaker 4: it's gonna get called. But the defender was burned and
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  Speaker 4: had no chance, so it's kind of annoying. Let's see
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  Speaker 4: held his shirt before the Oh, there was a collision,
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  Speaker 4: and that's gonna get called. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was a really nice cell job by
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  Speaker 4: the corner who went like ah and then like you
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  Speaker 4: know that sort of thing. And you know, so those
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  Speaker 4: are four plays that I just mentioned in that a
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  Speaker 4: play sequence where they had touchdowns on all four plays
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  Speaker 4: right there, and they just weren't able to execute it.
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  Speaker 4: So you can you can take a you know, the
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  Speaker 4: coaching is part of that, right, like you have to
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  Speaker 4: practice and you have to be able to execute down there.
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  Speaker 4: But I didn't think that this was like, oh, the
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  Speaker 4: Bengals really just like had the clamps on their red
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  Speaker 4: zone offense. I thought this was just kind of a.
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  Speaker 2: Did the Tonka injury happen prior to those red zone
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  Speaker 2: posessions too? It's just something that's off out of the play.
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  Speaker 4: But he was also healthy for Tampa and they couldn't
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  Speaker 4: score on the goal line against Tampa. Like, to me,
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  Speaker 4: this all kind of goes back like, if you need
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  Speaker 4: to get one yard, you have to be able to
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  Speaker 4: run the ball in. You have to be able to
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  Speaker 4: run the ball in from the one, whether that's a
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  Speaker 4: sneak or it's an actual run, Like there's no excuse
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  Speaker 4: to not be able to run to pick up a yard.
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  Speaker 4: And that's it.
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  Speaker 5: And there was one thing that Drake said after the
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  Speaker 5: game that sort of resonated with me and made me
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  Speaker 5: think of some of these different plays, specifically the ones
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  Speaker 5: down there, and Evan just sort of talked about he
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  Speaker 5: thought one of them might have been an RPO, which
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  Speaker 5: would makes sense. And Drake said, you know, I got
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  Speaker 5: to be better at the line of scrimmage. And I
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  Speaker 5: think there were times where the Bengals sort of dramatically
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  Speaker 5: shifted at least once it led to a timeout because
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  Speaker 5: they weren't ready. Another time it led to them running
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  Speaker 5: right into the shift. You know, looked like he was
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  Speaker 5: not comfortable with that. So I wonder if maybe, like
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  Speaker 5: the RPO, maybe he thought he was getting something else
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  Speaker 5: ultimately didn't. And as Evan says, you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of easy when we watched the phone. Jeez, if you
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  Speaker 5: had just pulled it there, Yeah, he probably has Hunter
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  Speaker 5: Henry wide open.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Did you wonder if that's what Drake is talking about,
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  Speaker 5: maybe some of the stuff that he saw pre snap
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  Speaker 5: didn't end up happening.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Did you find that interest that when they as soon
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  Speaker 3: as they put Stevenson up to kind of protect against
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  Speaker 3: the mug, that they then have the guy sprint to
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  Speaker 3: the other side and then just had a free run.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's yeah, because I think the first time
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  Speaker 3: they did it, Drake noticed it and he seemed to
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  Speaker 3: like acknowledge it.
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  Speaker 2: But still nobody nobody.
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  Speaker 6: Think it wasn't Will Campbell's fault. He blocked the guy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, now, if Will Campbell goes to the outside and
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  Speaker 5: gets the blitzer, the other guy comes.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, yeah, right now. Numbers wise like they would
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  Speaker 4: have overloaded either side. So I don't know exactly what
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  Speaker 4: the coaching point would be to adjust the protection. I
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  Speaker 4: saw what you guys saw at the safety start on
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  Speaker 4: one side. They put his Stevenson up and he ran
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  Speaker 4: to the other side. But they still would have like
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  Speaker 4: they still would have overloaded the right side if he
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  Speaker 4: had came off the right side. But I think they
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  Speaker 4: saw the opportunity need to come to the blind side,
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  Speaker 4: so they moved them over. But you know, I give
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  Speaker 4: some credit to the Bengals like this, wee too. They
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  Speaker 4: were well coached in this game. They had a good plan.
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  Speaker 4: They they really did some things in this game that
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  Speaker 4: they hadn't done before, some unscouted looks and things like that.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with you on that. I thought the Bengals
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  Speaker 5: played hard in this game. And I would say it
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  Speaker 5: was funny because Mike and I were looking at it
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  Speaker 5: and we were like, the Bengals either have a really
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  Speaker 5: good play on defense or they just decided to not
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  Speaker 5: cover Hunter Henry. There was no in between. I think
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  Speaker 5: they did a pretty good job on the receivers. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think I didn't see a lot of wide open guys.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, even the best throw of the day for
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  Speaker 5: Drake may down the scene to to to Mario Douglas
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  Speaker 5: was not an easy throw like that was kind of
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  Speaker 5: a tight window.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Fred that one of the pole runner. So
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  Speaker 4: the linebackers the pole runner. Yeah, I wish you know, listen,
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  Speaker 4: whole shot poll runner. Like I don't name these things,
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  Speaker 4: it's just what they are.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: So who does the whole shot? I remember people talking
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: about when I was in high school. I never heard
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: about what do you call it? It's called the pole
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: runner like a pole like a pole hole.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So you know it's Cover two right too high
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: safety and then uh you know Tampa two, which is
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: you know, the dungee version.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 15:21
  Speaker 9: They they they have now they designed a way uh
• 15:27
  Speaker 9: to combat three vertical routes from Cover two because the
• 15:33
  Speaker 9: issue that they were having was is that they were
• 15:35
  Speaker 9: just running a guy right through the shoot between the
• 15:37
  Speaker 9: two safeties and there's not a third guy high to
• 15:41
  Speaker 9: take that.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: So now that they have is this is the pole runner.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: The linebacker. He's now basically part of the deep part
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: of the zone. So if the inside receiver in the
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: slot runs a vertical, he's going to carry the vertical
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: up the middle of the field. Pole runner. You know,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: you also you'll hear a lot three is three, So
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: if three verticals happen, then you basically kind of turn
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: it into cover three essentially.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Great Catch twenty two.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry, were doing a crossover episode.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, that's that's the parlance.
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I like three up is three is one of my favorites.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: So they managed, they figured out how to win. They
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: figured out how to get out of Cincinnati with a win.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: That's the most important part. They're ten and two. They're
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: sitting pretty there, I think the number two seed as
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: we stand. Oh they're one right now.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they played more games than everybody else.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, technically okay, but even looking ahead, Denver seems you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: right now, I would say Denver only has two losses.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, they're tied with Denver.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: So but Denver has a much tougher schedule going ahead,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you say they do?
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Down the stretch. I was looking at this last night.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: They have a I want to say they have the
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Raiders and one other team coming out of their buy
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: that that should be easy wins. But then they they
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: do play the Chiefs, that Chargers, they played, you know,
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: some tougher teams down the stretch.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: So if we can take care of business and win
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: at least two, you know, uh, three of these last
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: five games. I think we might get a get a
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: home field advantage here, but.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: A home field game.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Or the Commanders the five cupcake team, So they have
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: three cupcakes and two tough games. So they have the Commanders,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: they have the Commanders, the Raiders, but then they play
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: the Packers, the Jags, the Chiefs, and the Chargers.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: Three tough games, four tough.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Games and two cupcakes. Who Jacks, Packers, Jags, Chiefs, Chargers,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: three tough games? Who do you mean three tough games?
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know how good the charge are
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: going to be at that point. Who knows what Jacksonville
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: is going to be like on our side? Who knows
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: what Baltimore is going to be like? They don't look
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: like world beaters, you know, when Jackson's like, he's hurt again.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: You know, it's it's conventional wisdom now that Baltimore stinks.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: So I'm not worried about that game any more. That's
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: what I heard this. I heard that too. I heard
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: that in the radio. I mean, I know, I'm you
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: guys are gonna make fun of me. I'm always worried
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: about I'm worried about afraid of that game.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm worried about the Giants game this week.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about You're not worried about it. No,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: you don't think there's any way they can lose this game?
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Well, there's always a way you can lose a game. Yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: you could turn the ball over five times.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Did you think there was a way they lose the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Uh?
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, really Yeah, Like.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: You were more worried about Cincinnati than the Giants.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: Significantly more interesting not me. I mean, I respect Cincinnati's talent.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think the Giants none of it was on
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: the field, but little tap ball Ultimately when the game ended,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: that was true, and that was like largely the difference.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: But I think that if you have take T Higgins
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: out there and Joe Flacco gets hot. Now, Joe Flacco
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: didn't get hot, he didn't have one of his games,
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: but I respect his ability to do that. I don't
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: really respect the Giants' ability with a two to ten
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: record to really do anything.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: But the Giants have been scoring points, right, they lose
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: it last week and losing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: Leads, They've blown a lot of leads.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: That is correct five times to score leads in the
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter they got It's an amazing stat.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got rid of amazing defensive coordinator. So do
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: they get that interim defensive coordinators? Is what I'm wondering.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a thing.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you can lose any game in the league.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: There's I mean, I'm not telling you there's not a
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: huge difference.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And what about the spot.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: You know, you've played great spot for the people played.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Thirteen games in a row, so they got to buy ahead.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you know in.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: Your home and they're not. I know, so you have
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: the advantage. It's a good spot for you.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to get
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: other opinions on that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: The piece for me is Winston gonna players are gonna
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: be Dart.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: That's what would you rather face? The Patriots?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Winston me too, a hundred times over.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Really, and I know him, I don't know.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I was leaning Dart, to be honest.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Before you see dark and run around make plays and
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: you never know, he might have one of those wild
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: games where he makes some plays with his feet and
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden he's in it. Jameis Winston's going
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: to give you three or four opportunities every game. You
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: know that that's his history. I don't know what Dart's
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: going to do because I don't I don't know why.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, they also scored fourteen points on two trick
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: plays against the Lions. I'm with you, guys. I actually
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I watched Dart was it the Bears game was his
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: last game, I think before he got hurt. I was
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: pretty impressed.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: He's played pretty well.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Now, A lot of it is quarterback run stuff, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: that's he's not going to last. That's why he's constantly
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: in concussion protocol, so that that's maybe that gets taken
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: off the table when he comes back from this concussion,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: and that limits them. I mean they're running like, you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: like QB counter and like they're like running him by design,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: and I don't think he's going to be able to
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: hold up. But his like play extension, his ability, his
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: downfield you know, passing pretty good, pretty good.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, I think I'd rather have Jameis Winston.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But getting back to my opening monologue, I think that
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: this is a tough stretch here for the team in
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: terms of injuries and just you know, getting to the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: end of the season. But I do think that this
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: team mentally is equipped to handle that. This is this
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: is a united team, and you know, one of your guys, dudes,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Ben Voleen, mentioned that in the in the postgame locker room,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it seemed that Rabel was really toned down, like I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: think he forgets. They just got off a FaceTime call
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: with a teammate who was going through something, and they
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had a lot of injuries. They know, they didn't play
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: their best, and so I think Rabel had the right tone,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think the players want more, they
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: expect more, and but I think they're all in this together.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I think they're bought into Rabel. They're calling you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they call them coach Rabes. Carlton Davis, I think he
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: had a quote just recently he said he's never been
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: on a team that seemed more together than this team.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I like that aspect of this of the and I
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: really look at that as as a plus going forward.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: So we have the power of friendship.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: No, I'm with Fred. Yeah, I think that's the number
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: one thing they have going for them. I think they're
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: very connected. The team is very connected. And I think
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: sometimes that can make up for you know, some personnel
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: issues here or there. We'll see.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: I'm with Fred.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: I think Josh McDaniels and Doug Maron will do a
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: good job scheming their way around this. This is not ideal.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you that it's not a big deal
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: to lose your left tackle on your left guard and
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: you're probably going to be without them for at least
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I'm going to say a month. That's not ideal. I'm
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: not pretending that that's not an issue. I just have
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: confidence that they'll figure out a way around it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, Paul, the coaching this year,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it's better set up to you know, to handle that
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: than last year.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: That's what interests me.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I mean with you know, Brian Burns coming in, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you know also Abdul Carter who half sacked but active
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: and disruptive. You know, I don't think Thibodau is gonna play,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: but they've got some players off the edge everything.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: They have talked.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: About him a little of this morning, and you probably
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: talk more about him than than us. He's he's a
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: really good player.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Dexter Lawrence is one of my favorite.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Dexter Lawrence to be on the sideline.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: That's what he is when when when games are being played,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: which is why Shane Bowen no longer has a job.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got that from our friend don Uh.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: You don't want to talk to don.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder at that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know Dexter Lawrence is a crazy player,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: but seeing not Godshaw. But you know, like the old defense,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: they wanted a big guy inside Shane Bowen there with
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: interior penetrator kind of types. Is that you know, is
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: he not really their type?
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just speculating that's worked well.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I think he's he's their type. He's even though he's
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: a big dude, he does he plays more up the uphill.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: He's more of a disruptor, more of an uphill vertical threat.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think that this is, you know, plugging gap.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Whatever whatever the teams are doing in the fourth quarter
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to the Giants the Patriots should do in the first
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: quarter and keep doing it. The ball they are.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Just getting absolutely shredded on the ground. Now, I'll play
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Devil's advocate because some you know, you guys are trying
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: to but the injuries the Patriots have is a problem,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: and I understand this is a great chemistry, great locker room.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, watching their defensive
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: front without Millon Williams against the Bengals was was was
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: a hard watch. Like they they just did not make
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: very many plays in the other side of the backfield. Uh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: they didn't make very many plays up front. They got
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: run on by Cincinnati who hasn't really run the ball
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: at all all year. Chase Brown had over one hundred
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: rushing yards. It was a problem, and I think offensively,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: I agree that they can probably work around it a
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: little bit. But at the same time, you know, no
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: disrespect meant to them, but Vederian Lower and Ben Brown
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: were two guys that they tried to upgrade from this
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: offseason in the draft with Campbell and Wilson. The idea
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: was not to rely on those players like you did
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: when you won four games the year before. Sure, So
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I think a huge part of you know, what has
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: happened here, along with with Drake May and Rabel and
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: all the stuff you guys mentioned, is the improvement that
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: the Trenches have shown this season to last season. They
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: are a significantly better team on the line of scrimmage
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: this year than they were last year significantly better, you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: just across the board, whether it's pass blocking, run blocking,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: pass rush, run stuffing, all of it. And you know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I know, maybe I'm a little bit more on that
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: side of the street than other people, but that's football.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Like when you have good football, teams don't usually have
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: bad play in the trenches. It just it said, not
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: that it never happens. I know, Patrick Mahomes went to
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl without his left tackle, I know, but
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: it's asking a lot. It's asking a lot for Drake
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: may To in his second season to now still play
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: at this level without his starting left tackle, like left guard.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I think that they can get away with Ben Brown's
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: not you know, he's a serviceable backup, and I think
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: that they could work around it. I do think the
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: drop off from Will Campbell to their backups I left
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: tackle is going to be significant, ye And it's more
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: just like a knock to the bigger picture, honestly, of
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: where this team could possibly go in the postseason. You know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: if they don't have these guys back healthy and they're
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: not you know, tied together once the postseason comes around,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: it does limit their still quite a bit.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear all that. I mean, I think for
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: me and focuses, just get through this game. You know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: get through this game, have a week off, see what
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: your health looks like when you get back and you
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: have to go play Buffalo.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: But well, they're not gonna have Bilton Williams like that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be on ir for Buffalo and Baltimore. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: you know, in this game against Cincinnati, like the Bengals
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: average three yards rushing before contact, like before anybody even
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: hit him, They're averaging three yards. So if you're doing
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: that against Buffalo and Baltimore and James Cook and Derrick
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Henry like that, that's gonna be really tough.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: No good, really tough.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Can I get some water?
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Like I kind of look at the offensive line and
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: think that they can probably maybe figure it out screens,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: but defensive line, I have concerns about that, Like, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: guys like Farms and Gregory and Dirt and those guys
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: playing as much as they're going to have to play.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Is a little bit.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Concerning Tonga too. I mean, that's you know, what's what's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: up with him?
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike and I talked a little bit in the
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: pregame show about that, because you get specifically Dirdin and Gregory.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: You know those are guys.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Durdan especially sort of carved out a little bit of
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: a role. Right He's played I don't know ten snaps
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: the game, Whatt's call it. I don't know what the
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: actual numbers. He's been reasonably disruptive, disruptive, but now you're
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: asking him to maybe take on a larger role. Can
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: he continue to be disruptive exactly? And you know I'm
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: not telling you I agree with you. I think bringing
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: up Tonga is significant because it's not just I think
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Tonga's job is to be a run stuffer, you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: a space eating run stuffer. I don't really think of
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. As talented as they are,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: they're fine against the run, and Milton Williams has been
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: excellent all season long and whatever they've asked him to do,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: but I don't think they're necessarily run stuffing players. Tonga
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: is so he came out of the game.
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I think Chase Brown's pretty good too, even though they
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: haven't really run the ball all that much. You saw
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: in this game they ran it probably a little bit better.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: But he's averaged a healthy amount. And that's three games
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: in a row the opponent's averaged over five yards.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And you said, Evan before the game that they were
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: throwing the ball seventy percent of the time.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: They didn't this game, Yeah, because they were. They're effectively
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: running it. And you know, I just hurt to give
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: it to their credit though, to the Bengals, Like they
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: saw that the Patriots were down Mill Williams already, then
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Tonga goes out of the game, and what were they
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: doing or just running it right up the gut at
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: the backups on the interior defensive line. So I give
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: those guys credit. You know, I think that they This
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: was a pretty well coached game by the Bengals. I
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: thought that defensively they're pretty buttoned up relatively speaking to
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: what they have been in the past. And I thought
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: offensively they hit the buttons there. The Patriots were weaker.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: But I just going into the season, the big question
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: that we all had was, yes, the talent on the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: roster is better. Is the depth better and good enough
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: to withstand injuries? And we haven't really luckily needed to
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: figure that out, and now we're going to figure that out.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: But do they have the depth. Do they have those
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: players behind their frontline, players that can keep this thing wrong?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Can the coaches get those guys to play up the snuff?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: And I think that's been one of the indictments the
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: last few years of play along the offensive line is
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: that they don't really have the coaching. Like, if I'm
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: looking at something I'm interested to watch, it's how does
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: now this coaching staff deal with really the first kind
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: of scramble drill that they're going to have to do.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, losing Milton Williams is one thing, or a
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: great player inside, but it's one player.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: You've got depth.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: But now when you've got two offensive linemen that you're
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: gonna have to put in, you're gonna have to maybe
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: give some of those guys help.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: These are the things where I think you you really
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: get a sense of I mean, Paul said a great thing.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I think Mike Vrabel's done an amazing job bringing this
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: team together and really being that, you know, full crim
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: in the middle of all these guys. But now you've
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: got to really coach your butt off and get these
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: guys to to you know. I mean, this is something
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that that Bill got plenty of credit with over the
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: years when guys had to step up the Randall gaze
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: of the year, you know, like those you know instances
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: where it's just it happens in the NFL.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Buffalo's gonna have a bunch of injuries in a couple
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: of weeks too.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, we saw half their team went down the
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: other night, So you know, you get down to this
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: point and I don't know, maybe I'm just out of
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: practice with having a good team down the stretch, but like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: did you guys feel at times with those Patriots teams
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that you knew were going to the playoffs, like they're
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: not playing their best ball right now. They seem banged up,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: They seem like they're kind of like you're seven team.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I remember them just kind of tailing off like they
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: weren't the same team anymore.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You know, that's all they do is.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: That I remember that had that happened too lost And
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I'm not like trying to be doing gloom, but like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the only team that I remember that flip the switch
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: was eighteen eighteen. That's the only one of the six
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl teams that wasn't peaking at the end of
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: the year, And somehow they found.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: It and is this just a part that many teams
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: go through where you know late by et cetera. But
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: you know, you just you have a little bit of
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: a doldrum in the middle of the season. That's something common.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Are they late.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: In the season or do they not play that well
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: in Cincinnati. That's the thing I think we're going to
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: have to learn, because I don't think this game was
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: indicative of the way they've played, say the last six
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I don't I think they played much. I don't want
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: to say worse because that makes it sound like they
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: played a crappy game, because I think everything you haven't
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: said about Cincinnati deserves to be said. I think Cincinnati
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: showed up, played with some desperation, and I do think
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: they were prepared on both sides. I think the difference
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: in the game, quite frankly, was Mike Rabel's game management
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: compared to Zach Taylor's. Zach Taylor consistently passed up opportunities
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: to score points by punting, and Mike Rabel didn't get
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: stubborn after the first time didn't work out down there.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: He took the points, take the points, and ended up
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Dan Campbell would have lost that game because Dan Campbell
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: would have just I mean maybe they would just would
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: have been so much better that Jamiir Gibbs would have scored,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: but he would have just kept going for it.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, going up by ten was important.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: The the one that he did, the one to go
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: up by seven, I think was important. When it was
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: seventeen thirteen and after the first debacle down there, he
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: got down there again. And what I don't even think
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: was it Henderson that got the third down carry that
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: time that got stopped. I forget he got the second
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: down Carrirell Jen I forget.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: But second Drake sneaked it on third down.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Rabel had three fingers in his hands before the whistle
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: even blew on the play. He was disgusted, but he said, no,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I'm going to make this a seven point game, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I'm going to make sure that they're chasing me. I'm
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: not gonna you know, throw good money after bad or
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: whatever the phrase, yes, and continue to bang my head
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: against the wall. He adjusted to the game. Zach Taylor didn't.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: And again I give Zach Taylor credit for having his
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: team ready to go. You know, a three and sevent
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: team played, you know, probably a little bit better defensively
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: than they have most of the year. But I'm sorry,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: you can't punt on fourth and one every time, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: fourth and three, you know, in the fourth quarter and
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: just say, well, we're just going to keep getting the
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: ball back. At some point you got to go and
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: try to make a play, and if you don't, you
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: still got to get the stop. There's nothing, there's no difference.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Is this the first game in a while that they've
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: won it by just the score?
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: What does that mean?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, less than eight points?
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Oh, most of the games have been one score game. Really,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: I thought they This is what I'm saying. I think
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: people have this impression. And I don't mean this negatively.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: I mean this is a huge positive for the Patriots
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: because everything fred said about the togetherness. I totally co
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: signing with Freddy on this. I think they win these
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: games and people are like, yeah, they won, they won,
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: but like they're not playing that well. I'm like, I
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: don't know what you look, I don't know what you
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: think they're capable of. That's what I would argue. But
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: the outliars are Carolina in Cleveland. The normal game is Atlanta,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: New Orleans, Tampa. This game against Cincinnati, you know, even
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: the Jets. I know the Jets ended up a thirteen
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: point game. We watched that game.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a blowout, yep, but they won by thirteen points.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: No, I know, but that was one of the few
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: that was one of the four games they weren't decided
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: by one score. All the rest were one score games.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Four games we weren't discussed.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: The chat got that.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: No, it's it's pilot.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Like the outliers are Carolina, Tennessee in Cleveland. You know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: the norm is a one score game. Yeah, and there's
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: seven and one in those one score games.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I'm less concerned about how they play Sunday in that
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: game two and more concerned about moving forward without Milton
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Williams and Campbell. Like if I had to rank the
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: players on this team outside of Drake May, who's obvious, Like,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like the old Jenga piece thing, Like
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: if I had to take play, like who is the
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: biggest blocks that are keeping the tower afloat? Like Campbell
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: and Million Williams have two of the biggest blocks, Like
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: I think those two guys because I think for Campbell specifically,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: it's what's behind him at left tackle too, that you
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: have to take into consideration. But with Milton Williams, I
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: think he's been your best player on defense and it
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: was noticeable, you know, their front was noticeably worse without him.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to figure that out that that
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was just for play.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: So there, I'm not whistling past the graveyard pretending there's
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: no issues. They have some issues. I just feel like
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: they're going to be able to able to get past them.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Right, But it's not about how this game unfolded in Cincinnati.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: It's about right, you have Buffalo, you have Baltimore, you
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: have playoff games coming up, and that's a whole different
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: ballgame once you get into those types of level of competition.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Then playing a banged up Bengals team, and if they
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: don't have Campbell and they don't have Milton Williams, like
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: those two guys and probably Digs and Gonzalez would be
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: like the four most important players on the team outside
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: of May and they're playing without two of them. So
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: like it just it's a big loss not having those
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: guys for the bigger picture, Like, I still think they're
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: gonna beat the Giants and the Jets, and they're probably
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: gonna still end up with twelve or thirteen wins, and
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: that's nothing to snim bat.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe the division title too, Yeah, maybe maybe Milton Williams
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: and Will Campbell.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Are back three might get you that one seed. Fred
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: might be right because I didn't know about that green
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Bay game for Denver. I knew like they had some
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: division games coming, but that green Bay game as the
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: odd game. Yeah, that that could mean that that Denver
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: loses twice. So if you lose twice, it's.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Probably well, I think the final five are in Denver.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it means I don't know what the tiebreaker
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: situation will look like. It depends on what games the
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: teams lose. But it is amazing that all the games
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: fifteen out of out of seventeen games at home for Denver,
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, and even.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: When they're not home, they're at home. I don't know
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: how they do it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: They raised the stadium a mile in the air.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're able to play at mile high altitude and
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: even on the road somehow.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, so we have calls, We have emails.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Eight five to five. PATS five hundred is the hotline
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: most people on the blog this year, this season for
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: this game. But I had to regulate. At one point
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: people were literally I mean it's words, so you don't
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: really know how they're feeling, but just from the tone
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of the words, people were getting angry angry at the Patriots,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And at some point I just had to regulate and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I had to people, why are you angry? Like, okay,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: be frustrated, whatever, but like, we're one or two years
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: ahead of schedule, we got a young quarterback, they're not
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: playing that great, they have these injuries, but why the anger?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing is I'm embarrassed. Why are
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you are they favor are you back in third grade
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and they pull down your pants on the day you
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: forgot to wear underwear? Like why are you embarrassed?
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Seemed oddly specific, you know, like, no, it didn't happen.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Those things are exaggerations. But I like, the goalposts have
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: moved like they're ship. But it's not embarrassing to you,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: not embarrassing to you, It's not embarrassing to anybody. The
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: amount of the game on Sunday was not embarrassing in
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: any way shape or to the team, to the coaches,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Nobody but the anger is I think they know it's good.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: I think that's a good sign because of what Evan's saying.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: The goalposts have moved.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: They know what it looks like when it's championship caliber.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: And this team, I don't know if they're championship caliber yet,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: but they've put themselves in a position to be playing.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: So what team, at least in the AFC? Why play
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: teams because we're gonna play one of them, but we're.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Only caring about our team. I understand why the blog
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: people are upset. They want to play better.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I understand, but no one's playing that great. It's just
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: kind of the way the AFC is this year. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: of those teams were the best, we're the best.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Do you think you're playing the best of all the teams? Yeah, okay,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: I think that some of the fans would disagree with you.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, game to game, other teams might have had
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: better games. But I think the body of work, we've
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: been the best team this year.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: But whether it's the AFC or if we're gonna care
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: to dream and it's whoever they play in the super Bowl,
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: you were going to play a great team at some point. Really, Yes,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you're gonna play a great team at some point. Okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: you're gonna play a great team, and you're gonna play
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: a great quarterback. And you're like, these things are gonna happen.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna go. It's not gonna be the March
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: of the Tomato Cans all the way to the seventh
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Lombardi right, Like, they're gonna at some point they're gonna
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: have to play, you know, a formidable opponent that is,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: you know, gonna be up for the challenge and bands
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: to their you know credit around here, they know what
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: it looks like when the team is.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand the anger, Like it's like, oh man,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: we need to play better. I get that, but like angry,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: like solve the teams last year?
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, you had this ran last year when they
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: were on a four win seasoned four winds all right,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: like sometimes there was some bad football being played. I mean,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I get generally, you shouldn't be embarrassing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Embarrassing room, Yeah, like why are you embarrassed?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I can't even wear my Patriots stuff. Make fun of me.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: A great game last week.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: I'm sure you know, traveling around the Greater Boston area
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: with Patriots gear on.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: You're getting mocked and rid.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, if you're walking around with rivalry here,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: you might get like proposition to sell it on the spots.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: They were going to offer me money for my jack.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: It almost market check.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: Can you direct?
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Where did you get that? I was like, and they're like,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I've been you know, I've been trying to get when
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: they're sold out everywhere. My son he really wants one.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: And I just found myself like kind of you know, walking.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It's gonna set on fire. Yeah, my wife got the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Someone going, where can I get this rivalry stuff I
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: needed for Christmas present?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Good luck?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Yep, they certainly created demand for that one. All right,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: so let's get to the phone. Let's see what everyone says.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I hope you're not angry, and I hope you're not embarrassed.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Todd Todd actually it was one of the few that
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: had this game nailed. He thought this was going to
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: be that everyone they were going to lose. He thought
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: they were going to lose.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Todd's at North Carolina. What's up? Todd?
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, you know I'm sober now. Fred just you know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: I took the time and composed myself before I made
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: the call, so I wouldn't be angry or drunk or
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: you know, a little crazy. So what I saw and
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: that game and when I think was bought me and
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: I couldn't really articulate it. Thanks, you know, Paul for
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: defending me a little bit. I appreciate that, and I
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: appreciated the good the poke there by you Fred, that
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: was good too. But what's bothering me is this team
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: looks tired. I think maybe we've got some veterans who
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: are pretty much up there in age, and we've got
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: some young guys who might be the rookie wall. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: I had to make sure that the rookie wall exists.
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: I went and researched it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: It does exist.
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: These guys, you know, they hit that wall. They're not
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: used to this level of games, and maybe that'd even
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: contributed a little bit to the injuries. I'm you know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: I'm not sure, but they look tired. I don't know
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: why or how they can deal with that, Like it's
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: probably because this bias so dang late that it's just
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: it's too hard on them a little bit right now.
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: The way the teams compose, because it's been that combination
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: of veterans and youth that I think has made this
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: team so so good and right now, I don't know.
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: I think I almost want to say, play your backups
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: for the Giants. Take a loss, play up, play your backups,
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: take the lot.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Just Todd.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: We're in a playoff race.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: You can't do is critical.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I actually don't think they were. They look that tired
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: they stopped playing in this game. I don't I actually
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: thought that their energy pregame and on the sideline just
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: being there was was really good. And I remember at
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: one point looking at the Patriots side of the field
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: in warm ups and then looking at the Bengals side
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: of the field and warm ups, and one team was
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: doing its thing and doing what the Patriots do, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Diggs is breaking down the huddle and all this kind
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: of stuff, and then the other team on the other
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: side of the field is kind of just like going
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: through the motions. And I was like, well, I remember
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: what it was like to be on the other side
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: of the field in these games. So it's a late
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: bye week and that that's obvious to everybody, but I
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: don't think, you know, kind of the struggles that happened
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: on Sunday, I don't think that was due to fatigue.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Vinnie's in Vegas. What's up, Vinnie.
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: Hey, guys, Okay, you know, I am not angry or embarrassed,
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: but I watch a little worried. At the beginning of
• 44:04
  Speaker 13: the game though, I think that, you know, we're starting
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: to really see how dependent we on on Drake because
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: he just didn't look good. So I was like, holy crap,
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: this is not what's going on. And I think at
• 44:17
  Speaker 13: this point we're starting to notice that if he doesn't
• 44:20
  Speaker 13: have the superstar at that moment, the games are going
• 44:25
  Speaker 13: to be tough. I mean, they're gonna be a slog
• 44:28
  Speaker 13: you know. And then the other thing. I'm surprised actually
• 44:31
  Speaker 13: that this is the first game that I saw Carlton
• 44:35
  Speaker 13: Davis play and actually show, you know, what he was doing.
• 44:39
  Speaker 13: So I'm happy about that part. But I do think
• 44:41
  Speaker 13: that we're very reliant on Drake and when he doesn't
• 44:45
  Speaker 13: have it together and right away we're going to struggle.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of agree with that. I mean, the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: team will go as far as Drake will tell them
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: take them. They don't have a dominant offensive line. They
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: have a much better offensive line than they had last year.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: But it's not dominant that shows in the run game.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So it is up to Drake. It is up to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Drake now that they're banged up too.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: And I would agree on Carlton Davis. I thought he
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: was really good in the game and I thought it
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: was his best game.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah the sun, oh the one got hurt.
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: He was really mad.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a tough call. Like you have two
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: really physical players like jockeying for positioning down the field,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: and like, I didn't think he grabbed or anything. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: think they were just kind of the back.
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I don't remember being up in arms on the flag,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: like he sort of was on top of him before
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the ball got there.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: So I wouldn't say up in arms. I just like, like,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: if you have two guys that are physical players that
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: there heavyweights and hearing.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: I thought he got the early. I would I'm with Fred.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: But I could see I actually teat him up in
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: the post game. He was our guest in the post
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: game show, and I said, I asked him about it,
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: and I saw his face. I knew how upset he
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: was about it, and I was like, just I stopped
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: and I said, talk about it. Terrible journalism questions but
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: his face told the whole story. I know why they
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: called the penalty, and I think that's gonna be It's
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: kind of like the offensive interference on Matt Collins, like
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: when when a defensive back gets pinballed like that, Like
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: that's gonna be a penalty, whether or not that was
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: an intent or whatever. He got there a little early
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: on that on that deep ball, but I think it
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: was really really good coverage. Yeah, really good coverage.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, his uh, you know, he took away Flacco's primary
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: read on the pick six two. He was covering Higgins
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: on that play, and he took Higgins out of the
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: play and and Flacco went from the deep route to
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: the checkdown through right to Marcus Jones.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: One of the more laughable plays.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe said, like you throw high over the middle
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: and it's going to go that way. Will you throw
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: late to the That's what's.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Going to happen to Yeah, he was really good. Carlton
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Davis was in this game, you know, elt But why
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: did you have to do that?
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't love to touch Tounty gave up. I mean
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: right off the I would say and check me if
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong, But I feel like he was part of
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: the plan that didn't give up a lot to t Higgins.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: But I also just was like, he just got beat
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: off the line by.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Now in his defense, it's the first touchdown he's given
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: up all year, and Tinsley like that is the one
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: route Tinsley can run. He is the one route that
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: he's actually decent. Decent At a couple of weeks earlier,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: he beat uh who was.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: Catch?
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: He beat somebody on the same route.
• 47:35
  Speaker 15: Release.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: You guys are are whistling by the fact that the
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: left tackle and the DT are out for for extended
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: period of time. But Aisconsin gives up one catch and
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: where you know, I.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Believe I specifically said, I'm not whistling past the graveyard
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: with the losses. But you know, now you'll, like the
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: other teams, you got to deal with some some of
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: your personnel.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: Being out of the lineup.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think Eldred in North Carolina? What's up, Eldred?
• 48:06
  Speaker 16: Hey Fellers, how y'all doing all right?
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: I should have did that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 16: Because, hey, Paul, I'm leaving our favorite spot, Myrtle Beach.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Nice. Nice.
• 48:16
  Speaker 16: I'm on five oh one right now heading back out. No,
• 48:23
  Speaker 16: I brought something for Hobby lobby. They opened up a
• 48:25
  Speaker 16: new hobby lobby.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Down okay, cross expanding.
• 48:29
  Speaker 16: Yeah, all right, No, I'm not embarrassed. I'm a little
• 48:32
  Speaker 16: worried and bred. I'm with you. I don't worried about
• 48:36
  Speaker 16: the Giant a little bit because they held the Lions
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: for a little bit and they scored twenty seven points
• 48:41
  Speaker 16: on them until the what eight minutes of the fourth quarter.
• 48:45
  Speaker 16: Then that's when that game got away from him, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 16: they they looked pretty good. You know, what's like I said,
• 48:51
  Speaker 16: what keeps bothering me is the line a little bit
• 48:55
  Speaker 16: and the defense, you know, the secondary, the way they're
• 48:59
  Speaker 16: giving up. And I know Paul and Evan just said
• 49:01
  Speaker 16: a Dunzo and the one, but Evan, I don't seen
• 49:04
  Speaker 16: a d Mitchell beat him off. And I haven't seen Kensley.
• 49:07
  Speaker 16: Well you y'all won't call them nobody, but hey, they
• 49:11
  Speaker 16: he got burnt twice, and that's kind of work. I
• 49:13
  Speaker 16: don't know if he played down to day competition or
• 49:15
  Speaker 16: up and one more thing and I let it go.
• 49:18
  Speaker 16: I heard Bert Trane and Sola to my office line.
• 49:22
  Speaker 16: But it's been like in the little twenty twenty six
• 49:26
  Speaker 16: on Das or whatever on path Rush and on pressures.
• 49:31
  Speaker 16: I want to take it off the line. Yeah, we
• 49:33
  Speaker 16: can't run, so I'm just wondering and I take it
• 49:37
  Speaker 16: off off the air.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, thanks Eldred.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the run game has been all year long. Yeah,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: and it's not a line that's necessarily built. I don't
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: think that way, you know. I do think they have
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: more athletics.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I think we al though thought that they'd be a
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: little bit better running team than they are.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do all year. But the coverage I thought
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: in this game was pretty good. This is probably one
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: of their better games. As a secondary, I thought it
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: was fine. I mean they the pressure on Placco and
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: in the run defense were the bigger.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: I don't really have a huge amount of problems with
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: the defense in this game in general. I know that
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: the run yards were there. You know what I think
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: of ren yards generally, they don't lead to points. But
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you you you should like I'll give
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: you like an example of what bothered me in terms
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: of run defense. After they got stopped on the one
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: yard line, So you're back on the line and one
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: one run, Chase Brown gets a first down and they're
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: out of jail, Like that can't happen, and they did lose.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: I thought the perimeter a lot of that game. Three
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: or four times he got easy yards.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. You know, the the one off
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: back off the goal line, they tried to slant, they
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: tried to like run a like a stunt, and they
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: caught him in the slunt, in the slant, in the stunt.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: And like when you have guys, you know, early on
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: in the season that are getting all these reps together
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: and are building those chemistries and things like that, and
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: it's all the same five six seven guys doing it,
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden you look out there
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, Corey Durden and Eric Gregory
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: and like it. Yeah, just different guys. It's not necessarily
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: about the talent. It's just you know, when you're trying
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: to pull off these schemes like it, you know, it's
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: harder to do and you don't have those reps together
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: built up over a period of time. You know, in
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: terms of the pass rush, you know, defensively, until the
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: last drive where they had to pass the ball, they
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: only had a fifteen percent pressure rate. I only had
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: them at fourteen point eight percent. They had four pressures
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: the whole rest of the game. And now once they
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: got into that final drive, they started to heat them
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: up and you know, things like that.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: Did you think that they played coverage though for the
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: most part, because I agree with you, I didn't see
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: a lot of missed opportunities in the game. I thought
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: they covered really well. It's hard on TV sometimes to
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: see all that, but.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: You watched all twenty two you can see.
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: I I have no interest in see the whole in
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: watching a game because safety. Everybody will tell me what
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: I'm supposed to know anyway, so we can move on.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't think there's all the more reason
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: to see it for yourself if you don't trust.
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: I saw it, okay, but you know, you know, I'm
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: pretty self for you know, confident, Like I saw the again.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: I have my opinion, all right.
• 52:22
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  Speaker 19: Hi morning, good morning, Yeah, as are supposed to say,
• 54:37
  Speaker 19: good morning, great, Okay, who's up?
• 54:43
  Speaker 18: I heard you say on the radio that Will could
• 54:45
  Speaker 18: probably miss multiple games.
• 54:47
  Speaker 13: We saw the Darien on the left on Sunday, Marcus
• 54:50
  Speaker 13: Bryan on the right.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Do you expect to continue to use Vadarian?
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Would you also consider Marcus, how do you think.
• 54:55
  Speaker 18: You'll navigate that?
• 54:57
  Speaker 19: I don't know why I would have an accurate answer
• 54:59
  Speaker 19: for you right now, just where we're at, probably go
• 55:02
  Speaker 19: through you know, the week of practice, I thought Verdarien,
• 55:07
  Speaker 19: you know, I had a couple of good plays and
• 55:08
  Speaker 19: again he hasn't had to go in there for us.
• 55:11
  Speaker 19: But I think everybody just has to be ready for
• 55:13
  Speaker 19: their opportunity, and you know, I thought he was for
• 55:16
  Speaker 19: the most part. Things will have to continue to work
• 55:19
  Speaker 19: on and clean up. But you know, just right now
• 55:21
  Speaker 19: is probably look too soon to figure out what the
• 55:25
  Speaker 19: what the lineup is going to look like.
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know if he's had.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: A chance undergo any testing or anything.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: But is there anything more you can toss about Will's
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: injury in the morning, Uh, no, many he'll be.
• 55:35
  Speaker 19: He won't be out there this week, and uh you
• 55:37
  Speaker 19: know it's going to be a couple of weeks. We'll
• 55:39
  Speaker 19: have to make a decision here on a roster, see
• 55:40
  Speaker 19: how long that'll be and go from there. But it's
• 55:43
  Speaker 19: nothing that's gonna, you know, hopefully put him out for
• 55:46
  Speaker 19: this entire season. Yeah, you know, probably too soon to tell,
• 55:57
  Speaker 19: you know, see how the week of practice goes, or
• 55:58
  Speaker 19: see how to re app goes, and see how he
• 56:02
  Speaker 19: responds there.
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: After yesterdays And you said something along the lines and paraphrasing,
• 56:08
  Speaker 10: So tell me if I get this rod.
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: Because I probably didn't mean it either.
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: So you know about.
• 56:13
  Speaker 10: How the team, both the players and the coaching staff
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: and needing to recover faster from things that don't go
• 56:21
  Speaker 10: your way in game for coaches and mainly for yourself individually.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: What does that look like.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: We'll just set in the temperature.
• 56:28
  Speaker 19: I mean, I have to set the temperature for for
• 56:31
  Speaker 19: what we do and make sure that everybody is you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 19: that we understand things change quickly and that everybody has
• 56:39
  Speaker 19: to be on the you know, on the ready, go
• 56:43
  Speaker 19: through different lineup changes and personnel groups are up, personnel
• 56:47
  Speaker 19: groups are down. Field goal protection has got moving parts
• 56:52
  Speaker 19: and you know we're using fifteen guys on a field
• 56:55
  Speaker 19: goal protection throughout the course of the game.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: That's you know, normally doesn't happen.
• 57:01
  Speaker 19: And then just understand that, you know, if we give
• 57:03
  Speaker 19: up an interception and again, how we come back and respond.
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: We had a scoring drive.
• 57:08
  Speaker 19: Defense kept us in there, a special team, you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 19: gave us some opportunities. We had a good return there
• 57:15
  Speaker 19: at the end of the game when we needed it
• 57:17
  Speaker 19: able to get points. Wasn't a touchdown drive, but it
• 57:21
  Speaker 19: was a huge drive that took some time and then
• 57:24
  Speaker 19: allowed Andy to kick a field goal to make it
• 57:26
  Speaker 19: a touchdown game. And I think that you can all
• 57:28
  Speaker 19: see that, you know, when we've gotten into those situations
• 57:31
  Speaker 19: when they've needed a touchdown at the end of the
• 57:34
  Speaker 19: game as opposed to a field goal, that we've been
• 57:36
  Speaker 19: able to get the drive stock.
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: And it's, however, pretty or not pretty.
• 57:42
  Speaker 19: It is whether it's a in Miami or that game yesterday.
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: You know, six points and three points is a big difference.
• 57:50
  Speaker 18: Referencing something else he said last night. Does being undefeated
• 57:54
  Speaker 18: on the road fall into the category of records and
• 57:57
  Speaker 18: numbers don't mean.
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: Cleep or go ahead, let it go. It feels good,
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: just say it, let it go.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: It feels good to tell you anything about again.
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: I think that they.
• 58:11
  Speaker 19: Found a way to win, and I'm proud of them,
• 58:13
  Speaker 19: and there's a lot more that we can do and
• 58:15
  Speaker 19: then we can play better, we can play with better details.
• 58:21
  Speaker 19: But in the end, I mean, they found a way
• 58:23
  Speaker 19: to win, and uh, it's not easy to do in
• 58:26
  Speaker 19: the league that we're in. So we'll have to kind
• 58:29
  Speaker 19: of keep that fine balance of understanding the wins are important,
• 58:32
  Speaker 19: but improving at this time of the year is what's
• 58:35
  Speaker 19: most important.
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: Would you seek for better.
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: We started for cha.
• 58:40
  Speaker 19: You know, he was ready to go, but you know
• 58:41
  Speaker 19: I had a few play you know. I mean again,
• 58:43
  Speaker 19: they all do, everybody does.
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: I thought he was ready to go. I thought he
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: was into it.
• 58:47
  Speaker 19: Ben gives us a you know, great effort, and you
• 58:51
  Speaker 19: know he was prepared for for the opportunity.
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: It's your reactional.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: Shane's fine.
• 58:57
  Speaker 19: Well, Shane's a you know, close and so we started
• 59:01
  Speaker 19: in his business together at Ohio State.
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: Shane's a good football coach. This business is.
• 59:07
  Speaker 19: You know, you know, again, the things happen, they make decisions.
• 59:11
  Speaker 19: So I'll support Shane the best that I can and
• 59:15
  Speaker 19: in his family, but then also you know, focus on
• 59:19
  Speaker 19: everything that we have here.
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: So that's kind of how this thing goes.
• 59:23
  Speaker 20: I'd say, continuing to uh improve, you know, from from
• 59:30
  Speaker 20: a health standpoint, and you know, again it's it's a
• 59:34
  Speaker 20: it's a process in the treatment.
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: But I would say that he did everything that he.
• 59:39
  Speaker 19: Could to get himself ready for these for the treatment,
• 59:43
  Speaker 19: for for the chemo, and so therefore I think that
• 59:47
  Speaker 19: he's he's responded well and it's good to see him
• 59:50
  Speaker 19: continuing to have have good weeks and then come in
• 59:53
  Speaker 19: and see us when he feels up to it, which
• 59:56
  Speaker 19: which he has.
• 59:58
  Speaker 21: Mike it seems, is when if there are receivers missing,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 21: how a quarterback would have to adjust based on the receiver,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 21: a replacements speed, height, whatever. When an offensive line is
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 21: when an offensive line is missing, what a quarterbacks have
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 21: to be aware of that maybe we don't see or
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 21: people that haven't been in the trench like that, how
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 21: do they change with different offensive lineman with them?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 19: Well, I mean just making sure that the communication is
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 19: good and that everybody is on the same page. And
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 19: then how you know that you can you know, there
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 19: are matchups that you need to help.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: I mean assuming that you.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 19: Know there's a player that's not a starter that then
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 19: goes in there. And again, are there matchups that you
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 19: have to be aware of and be able to allocate
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 19: resources to, you know, for protection and things like that.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 15: Making sure there are a lot of details that go into
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 15: some of those goal line plays that you guys.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 22: Had offensively curious if there was anything more that maybe
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 22: Drake could have done.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: There was more that that I think we all could
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: have done.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 19: And uh, you know, you get into you know, the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 19: balls on the inside the five yard line and you
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 19: have to figure out how, you know, if you're gonna
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 19: go big people and big personnel, and we were out
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 19: of that, and then you get into some other personnels
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 19: and you either have to you know, you can't block
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 19: them all, or you got to read somebody and make
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 19: decisions down there. And so, you know, it just seemed
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 19: like whether we were really close yesterday, you know, whether
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 19: that's pushing treveon in or Hunter scoring. You know, we
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 19: had the cross and they and they you know, Matt
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 19: kind of gets ping ponged into the guy and I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 19: don't think he was trying to pick him. That's not
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 19: what we teach, but that's, you know, what they saw,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 19: and he's gonna get caught. I'm not saying it's not.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 19: But you have to be at your best down there.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 19: You know they are, they're they're they're blitzing, they they
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 19: they're going to try to put some pressure on you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 19: and make you make some tough decisions. And you know,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 19: so we all have to be better down there, whether
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 19: they're wearing the goal line personnel or wearing eleven personnel.
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  Speaker 17: How did you feel the offense responded and someone put
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 17: situations looked like the sack?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: Was there anything that maybe could have avoided that one
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: with the.
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  Speaker 7: Corner coming out of the slot. Yeah. Probably.
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  Speaker 19: I mean again, the way that the protection was, you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 19: just have to get rid of it and dirt it
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 19: and put it at the guy's feet. But I think
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 19: at that point in time, with where the protection went
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 19: and what he felt like, you know, getting five guys out,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 19: that would probably should have just got rid of the ball.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 19: But we you know, didn't make one mistake into another
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 19: and took a sack and we were able to get
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 19: some yards on the next play and kick a field goal.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 19: So there's going to be things like that that happened
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 19: in the game. We just hopefully we can learn from.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Can we Adkiris and the same question.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: Any update on him?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 19: So disappointed he felt like he let his guys down,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 19: not being able to finish. There is never going to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 19: let anybody down as long as he's here, and these
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 19: guys want to go, and I have to look at him,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 19: and I got to figure out if they can and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 19: if they can protect themselves and they can do their
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 19: job and not make it any worse. And he clearly,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 19: from what I saw it wasn't going to be able
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 19: to do most of those things.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: And so we'll just see how he progresses to the week.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: So I want to respect the privacy of the situation,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: but they don't want me.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: I don't I think that, you know. I mean you
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: can see that the.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 19: Players and his team and everybody associated with it, the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 19: organization care deeply about him, but uh, you know, respect
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 19: to his privacy. And so we'll leave it at that.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: And now great moments in history. Both terms refer to
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: items found floating in the sea. However, Eric was wrong
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: stating that the distinction relates to the.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 22: Type of vehicle. I misspoke, Eric, We have it on tape.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 22: I just said I misspoke. You were clear, were you
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 22: taking context? There was no misspeaking. Did you misremember the.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Fact that you mentioned a plane is absolutely one hundred
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: percent wrong.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 22: Yes, because I was thinking in my head jet Jettison
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 22: was thinking jets wrong.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: So my that's how I was remembering it, because he
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: said jets Let me finish this. The correct distinction is
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: that floats on his debris from a flessel, from a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: vessel that was that was not deliberately thrown overboard, and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: jetsam is debris from a vessel that was deliberately thrown over.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: You didn't say that, Yes, I did say that.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Eric I said, when there's a.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 22: Shipwreck, heats them, Yeah, because it just floats, when it
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 22: just floats from a shipwreck, when.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: You throw stuff off off.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: But he was right about the the action.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: He was wrong about the vehicle, right.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 22: I said, when there's a shipwreck, Yeah, the stuff that's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 22: the debris from the shipwreck is floating.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: That's flats.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: That's not correct.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: It is correct. That's another great moment. I love stubbornness.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: All right. Back here on Patriot on Filter today five
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: to five PATS five hundred is the hotline podcast at
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com. Is the email address. A couple of
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: emails coming in, A lot of emails coming in, actually,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: but a couple that I'll read. Dan in Pennsylvania, he says,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: does this win over the Bengals qualify it as a win?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: That feels like a loss given the poor play and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: the key injuries. That's his first question. No, not to me.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: I would take the poor play out, like I don't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: have an issue with how they played, Like just win
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: in advance, man, like it's week thirteen, they haven't had
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: to buy yet, Like, just win the game and get
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: out of Cincinnati. The injuries stink like that stinks out.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: Injuries give you a little of that pyrrhic victory feeling
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: because you know at what cost.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: But and it's not just on the till too.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Like there's something about like losing Will Campbell, the rookie
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: first round pick kid that's been a great personality, and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: This is a buzzkill.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: That's like, I feel bad because I felt like on
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: the post game show, I was ready to open a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: vein about it's over.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Will Campbell's done for the year.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, he still might be, but at least now
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: there's a like a glimmer of hope that maybe he
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: comes back.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: So I felt yesterday really improved. I was you know,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I was in a dark No.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: There's a certain point during the show, during the game
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: we're watching it and I'm like, I'm not having fun.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not having fun right now.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: That's tough.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: I mean he's been awesome, Like he's been awesome, and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: I you know, exactly when you draft to tackle fourth overall,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: you want to put him at left tackle for the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: next second, get it. And it feels like they have
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: that's going to be bad. He's gonna be bad.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: I mean I had already gone through like the mental
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: progression of like and then he gets his a cl
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: and then we're like p up next year and maybe he.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Comes back like I had already like gained this all out.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: And so I didn't offensive Lineman.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking about all that.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Was good and now he might not run as well.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe you have to wear a clunky knee brace and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: that's gonna look like these are.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: The whole seam they should be wearing.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Don't do that?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: People are well, I puinted that out because I thought
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: But that's it's a much different situation sometime.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: What it's about to make. And you just talk over
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: me like you always do, according to the listeners.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: I do, I do?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: That was real?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: That was real, listener, haven't said that? Not a real play?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Why don't got Why don't offensive Linman wear knee braces anymore?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Is it just the Patriots? Like I thought of that,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: and then I was like looking at the film and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, they should have and I remember
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: a time when they all did.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, easy to get rolled up on.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but this wasn't rolled up on, so I don't
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: think that. It's just like it would have.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Had a sharp blow to the side of your work.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think this would.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: But I just I just mean generally think speaking like
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like not too long ago, all the offensive
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: lineman war knee braces just doesn't matter.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's adatory in practice. At one point it
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: was they were thinking about making a mandatory and I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: don't know what happened with that, but this was a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: blow to the side of his knee from a guy
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: that was pursuing the ball. I don't know. I mean,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know enough about knee braced mechanics and all that,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: but I can't imagine this one.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, there's this big emphasis on
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: on safety in football, but these players, other than helmets,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: they wear less and less pads every year.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: It is, that's true.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: You see, there was a there was a comparison going
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: around on X of like an old thigh pad, like
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: a thigh pad from the eighties and like a high
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: and they don't even.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Wear knee pads. Forget about knee pads or even like
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: shimp pads and soccer you ever see those like sometimes
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: there's shimp pads used to wear the whole thing, but
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: that I understand. But like, yeah, in football, like even
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: the shoulder pads were getting smaller. Did they even wear that?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Remember that butt pad that we used to have in
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: the high school football? Like the copsicks protect do they
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: don't protect their coxsacks more? Why is that? The second
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: questions a good thing.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: We stopped talking, so if you get that out the question.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Second question, Paul, does this win? Check the box of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: a game where Drake didn't have his stuff but was
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: able to battle and power through it well enough to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: get the w. Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Points of that pop throw is you know, I mean
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: that was to me a key moment where it felt
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: like they were you know, bad field position. They were
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: third and eleven. I mean it felt like they were
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: up against it and then launched that throw up.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: Though they did enough to win as a team, I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: would say, you know, Drake, everybody else too, but defensively,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: boor gotless.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: You don't win this game if your.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Kicker is not perfect.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Probably right, you missed out last.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: He made some long ones too. They had a fifty
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: something the arder. I thought that you know, it's we're
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: getting so spoiled with Drake May like he he was
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: bad by his standards in this game probably you know,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: I had it as his second worst game of the year,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: behind only the opener, and he still made three or
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: four throws that nobody else on the planet can probably make.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: Like it's really like to that point with him where
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: it's every single weeks he makes three or four throws
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: to make your jaw drop. And you know that seems
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: splitter to Pop was a great one. The back shoulder
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: seemed to Hooper was another really great one. He threw
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: a go to uh you know, fade to Mac Collins
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: that was just perfectly plays down the sideline for another
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: chunk play. You know, he made three or four throws
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: in this game, even on and off day that were
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: high level.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: About Pop. I love, you know, he's producing, you know,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: some nice plays lately. But can we get a coach
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: in here that will help him with his balance? He
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: just seems to fall down.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: The end around he went down, but every time like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: he gets in the open field, he just falls. Well,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: I thought that he went down on the end around
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: because he was gonna get popped, and so he just
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: went down little self president and then the one over
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: the middle he dope for the catch the ball.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah so what I hear you?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: That's fine?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's been an end around.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: Like maybe you guys might have seen like the defenders
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: come like, because we both laughed at that one, like.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: He fea, I thought the same thing. I mean, it
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: was a little bit of both. But just to be.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Fair, you know those balls you can stand on and
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: kind of work on your balances.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know he told me that on the which
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: one was It was one of the ones. There's so
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: many of these drunken sailor ones from him, and I
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: don't know which one it was, but one of the players.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: He told me that he like gave himself like a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: little bit of whiplash because he looked back to see
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: if there was a defender going back and then when
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: he snapped his head forward, Yeah, I got like disoriented.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: So I just wonder if like maybe that is part
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: of it, like he's like kind of looking around. Ton't
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: do that, just run you think it all goes back
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: to it can beat people.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: You don't need to look Brendan and Edmonton. Once again,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Todd won ups himself and only a way he could
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: by suggesting tanking a week with eight eight days away
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: from a game to rest before a bye week. I'm
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: sure Todd was happy with his participation medals in his
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: sports career, but us normies are not. This guy is cooked. Wow,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and also shout out to Alex for her glow up.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I hope she remembers us when she's gone Hollywood. Yeah, Carissa,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: what's her name, Rissa Thompson, Chrissa Thompson. Uh, you know,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: shouted her out on the internet on the new podcast
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: on the Internet of the top podcasts.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're the world's original podcast, but I would
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: say the Kelsey's podcast a little bit more popular. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: that's huge, said baller move with the handwritten note, like
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: slip that to her and now.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: It came up.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. That's really cool. Yeah, I mean I don't.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: Maybe we'll have her on. Maybe she'll be on tomorrow
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: show tomorrow.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe she can.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: Uh you know, you can talk about maybe delve into that.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 10: Chris.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: You won't be here, Paul, so you don't get to
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: listen to it.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: Mike and I we had some time with Carissa. I'm
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: not sure Chrissa knows that she had time when I was.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: Seems very interested in Chris's whereabouts when they were here.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: I know she like they on the Thursday night games,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: like that whole crew, and it's there's a lot. There's
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: a lot that goes into those Thursday night broadcasts. That
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: whole crew was in our area the whole time around.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: They were like walking around.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I once sent a letter, so you're not asked a
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: letter to be delivered to John Elway, but I don't
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: think you ever got it. You should, you know, at
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: home every week?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: What do you think if I gave a handwritten note
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: to Laura Rutledge this Monday night for Monday Night football,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: because she'll.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Be here that ship with the crazy.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe you'll get a shout I want to
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: shout out for I think she's great.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: She's great, She's just great.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Who if you could give a handwritten note to anyone?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Who would you give a handwritten note to? Mhmm?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: Handwritten note?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't know.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: People don't do that anymore, they don't.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: People don't write Jim Calhoun random about you, Evan?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: Who would you? Philip Bailey? Good call there?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Who would you write a note to a handwritten note,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: you know, like a note of thanks or a note
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: of praise.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: How will we do this? I have ever written a
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: handwritten note.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Like when I write camp and I would I'd have
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: to write letters to my parents. It was mad, so
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: I had to do it. I would say handwritten. Not
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan, just like like slip them a little note
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: at the combine and just be like, I really appreciate
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: your film. Thank you, just kind of.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: You must have gotten a lot of handwritten thank you
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: notes friend your day with number of interviews.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: That you used to do appeal.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Nobody does that the email?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: What would you who would you give a note to.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Handwritten note? Uh? John Lynch, No, I don't know. I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: It's not an easy question that you hit me with.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: You kind of yeah, you scoffed at me.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: I did I did write I call it would be
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: my answer.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I did. I did write a note to Obama and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I got an email back from second the White House.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: It's like when you send like a invitation to the president,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: like you're like barbar your wedding or something, and they're like,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: you're sorry, but he can't come. Yeah, really, I thought
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: he was going to show up.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Paul writes in I've certainly never been embarrassed by my
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: sports team, but just this morning, I was walking through
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: the grocery store in my Patriots hoodie and came face
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: to face with a guy dressed in Bill's gear. We
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: both looked directly at each other, and I couldn't help
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: but smirk. I hated being that guy the last few years.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Have a great Thanksgiving gopats so.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: Good moment these little eyebrows experience too, A big one
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, poor poor Bills fans.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Huh, poor Bills. We'll see, we'll up against I don't
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: have any money, but somebody that does have money. When
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: the Patriots win the AFC East, can we get a
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: billboard outside of high Mark Stadium?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: Sure that says like we run the East or something
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: cool like they did to hear because they won't.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that no one would do that Patriots fan.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: You know, celebrating division titles like they mean anything. So
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: I might as well give it back right to the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: great people of Buffalo. Think you right? Someone that has
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: like you know, I can't afford it, so somebody in Buffalo.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Probably pretty affordable, I would make. That's a great point.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: They pay you a good point. Or maybe like one
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: of those planes that like fids like over the stadium
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: with the as like a Champions Patriots.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: Some Steeler fan did that over here against Pittsburgh and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: O seven, the pulling a banner like asterix about Super Bowls.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: I did not take comment to that.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: That was the one thing that they did that It
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: really pissed me off.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: And back to the phones. Michael's in Texas. What's up, Michael?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 23: Hey, thanks for you guys.
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  Speaker 12: Hear me?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 24: Okay, yep, yes, Michael, perfect.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 23: So I've got a question and a grite my question.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 23: I know it's hard to you know, pinpoint and say
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 23: one or the other. But if you had to pick
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 23: one of the two, with this last weekend's game being
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 23: kind of the one of the sloppier ones as of late,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 23: and seeing our armor peel back a little bit, who
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 23: would you credit win more with the players or the coaches.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 23: I'll take that off air, but I'll just quickly jump
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 23: to my gripe and then let you guys get to it.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 23: Good old Christian in La Christian Christian Christian you're telling
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 23: me that you waited on hold for at least fifteen
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 23: to twenty minutes and the best you could come up
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 23: with was stumbling through some god awful Texas jokes. I mean,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 23: thank you for clearing up at least one thing that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 23: one of these self proclaimed tools that you have to
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 23: comeback is certainly not one of them. Got to mention
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 23: your joke as a hole in it. You mentioned that
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 23: you only know of two things in Texas, when that's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 23: a bit of a lie because I'm clearly living rent
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 23: free in your mind. So let's put that tool back
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 23: into your Stanley Junior toolbox set that you probably took
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 23: out of your kids, don't. I don't want you to
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 23: hurt yourself there, Bud, But I'll go ahead and I'll
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 23: stop there. You know, I know that everybody loves a
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 23: good villain. You know, you guys are great. Andy was
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 23: great at it and everything, you know, But Christian, I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 23: don't want you thinking that I'm lumping you into that group.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 23: I said good villain, not crap villain. So I hope
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 23: you guys enjoy the rest of your wowy Christian, enjoy
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 23: enjoy your sushi and seeing your discounts see you guys later.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: All right, Michael bringing it, Texas claps back, bringing it
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: listener on listener crime. Okay, I'm here for that, right, Yeah,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: let's go.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Christian in La in three two, Tyrell's in New Jersey.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: What's up Tyrell? Tyrell? What exit? No, he's not there. Okay,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: we'll go. Also dance in New Jersey. What's up Dan?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Montclair, Montclair?
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  Speaker 12: Okay, Yeah, yeah, So not not angry, Fred, just but
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 12: I do have a couple of concerns.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 12: First, you know, not going to belabor it, but the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 12: slow starts is getting to be, you know, kind of
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 12: a joke. But I understand they overcome it. No, okay.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 12: The second one is the goal line offense. And I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 12: don't know if if anyone broke it down, Like is
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 12: there a particular problem. How many were gravers, how many
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 12: were Rimandre Thams versus Trevion And is it personnel or
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: they just bad luck?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: They all got chances they try.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: If you listen to the beginning of the show, Evan
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: kind of broke down at least one of the sequences.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Henderson got carries, Terrell Jennings got I think one
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: carry down there Stevenson I think got two.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: Henderson also was a receiver.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: They tried a quarterback sneak, They tried to leak the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: tight end out a little bit, you know, in the
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: back in the end zone. They tried everything. They didn't
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: execute it, and.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 12: Campbell was there for both all that was. His injury
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 12: came later.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: Soon in the third quarter. I think, so, yeah, thanks Dan.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean they might not have been in
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: the second time they got down.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: This is purely execution like that. I don't think the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: Bengals did anything in any in either sequence that got
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: the Patriots. Or maybe one play they blitzed the safety
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: on a play action that got them. But like for
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: the most part this was I.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Thought that they ran too many plays up the middle.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Like run plays. Yeah, okay, but if you're trying to
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: get one yard, no.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: I know, but they were running into a stone wall,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: so like, I don't know, I would have moved it
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: outside a little bit, that's fair. I thought the one play,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I think it was the first one they tried, it was,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: you know, design roll out for May where I think
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: he could have had I like that play, but I,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: like you said at Bengals niff that out they.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think it was a designed rollout. I think
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: he rolled out because the safety was coming.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Oh you think, Oh, I thought it was a design play.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: But the city we might have been, I don't know,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: but the safety was clear to the quarterback, and I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: think he was like, I got to get out of here. No,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: but it was it was execution. They did not execute
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: well down there.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: On handwritten notes, Boston Cream said Fred would give a
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: handwritten note to Brandon Spikes if you know, you know correct?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I know, and I.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Don't like it.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Let's see Matt in Virginia. It wants to make a
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: humble attempt to win a T shirt. A few weeks ago,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: you guys were talking about Brady and his punts. Well,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: I decided to scour the internet to find out how
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: many times Tom punted. And so the first question is
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: how many punts did Tom Brady have in his career?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: And his page he had won against Denver in the
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: twenty eleven I'm gonna say AFC Divisional game.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: I think four say.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: You would say wrong, you would be wrong, and Paul,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: you would be wrong, you would be wrong. Two three
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: oh home at Miami and O three Uh. It was
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: down at the one snowing Snowbowl in those snows game, Yes,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: in those weird silver alternate jerseys. Punt two at home
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Divisional round versus the Broncos in twenty twelve. It was
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: a twenty eleventh.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: Season eleven, right, Mike's yeah.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Punt three was at home versus the Bills in twenty thirteen,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: no recollection, I remember that one. And then the bonus question,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: what is Tom's career punt average? That's three two yards
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: thirty eight point seven. That's not good.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: Pretty close, I mean, well, he's punted.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: And you're punting.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: You're punting in plus territory nine, right.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: And bonus two? What other one other Patriots quarterback has punted?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Who was it?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: Only one other Patriots ever?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: According to that, that's a great trivia question.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Tom Tupa was a punter. Oh yeah, that's that count nou. Yeah,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have that though. That's a good one though.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Tom Tupa was, Yeah, no, he has Matt Castle at
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: the Bills in wait, it was down at the.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: One another one in the window in that wind one.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sticking with Tom Tuba.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: That's a technicality punter slash quarterback.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: They don't make them like they used to.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: They don't. Could you imagine only had to have one
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: roster spot on? I think that's a great idea. I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: can't imagine. I can't believe that Bill never figured out
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: how to have a kicker and a punter be the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: same person like that. That's the other one that I
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: thought for sure, like he would be able to save
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: the roster spot.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's like show Tony, there's got to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: be somebody who could kick punts and kickfield goals like
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: someone ever.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: In history able to do it.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be valuable? Like you have a free roster
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: spot like.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: A unif corn out there someday, then if that guy
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: gets hurt, though, you're screwed.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: That's true. You need to That's true, Jack and Aba.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: The Patriots must buckle their shin straps for the Giants.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I watched the Giants against the Lions, and the Giants
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: are a much better team than their record suggests. Though
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: they don't have elite skilled players, they are very stout
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: on both sides of the line. They play hard, and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: they are well coached. They have led in most of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: their games this season, and had they taken the points
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: instead of going for a touchdown on their second to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: last possession, they would have beat the Lions. The Giants
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: are a dangerous opponent because the Patriots might be inclined
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: to take them lightly.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm a little few Johnson, like, he just
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: a big, big dude. And I noticed, especially with Dart,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: there was like one drive they had and I think
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: it was in that Bears game where he just went
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: to like four straight times, like they started hitting it.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: But he's a big, contested catch.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: Guy receiver, make some good catches like that back.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: He makes some plays last week.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I just think I think the books out
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: on tront the target tight ends against this.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know if I've called the Giants defense stout.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: I think that's the opposite of what I would call
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: the Giants defense. But I hear his point overall about
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: the Giants, They've been in a lot of games. You know,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: their records two and ten. They've lost five games that
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: they've led by double digits in the fourth quarter. They're
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: one in five and one score games. They're you know,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: they they've hung in games, you know, three weeks in
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: a row, they've lost three straight one score games, including
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: one in overtime, so it's not.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: Four twenty seven in overtime.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: They're not getting blown out.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: That's the last three games.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: Their defense been bad. Their offense has actually been respectable
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: given the situation. You know, no neighbors for most of
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: the year. The quarterback's kind of been flux. The coach
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: was an offensive minded coach that they fired. But their
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: offense like eighteenth and Dvoa, Like, it's not like it's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: a disaster.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: It's not the it's not.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: The wounded animal that people make like dangerous when his
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: animals are really dangerous. But it's just a team that
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: like they're just gonna cut it loose and everything's on
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: the table and you know, like that, it's just I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: think those are hard teams to beat if they just
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: come in and they're like, we don't care. You know,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: we're down, we're up, we don't you know, We're gonna
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: throw the ball, We're gonna do double passes, and we're
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: gonna set our outside linebackers out on your tackles and
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Now, on the other hand, Jameis Winston might throw you
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: three picks and then all of a sudden, this game
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: turns into a blowout, but it goes one of two
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: ways with him. Yeah, either he throws for five hundred
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: yards or he throws five hundred yards to the other team.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: And there's some of what we just talked about with Flacco. Yeah,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: I don't think Flacco is quite as dramatic with the
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: swings as Jameis Winston. But if you get good Flacco,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: you can be in trouble. You didn't get good Flacco.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: I think it's I think he was clearly well below
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent, which is why I would have played
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: Burrow in that game. I would have been desperate if
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: I was Cincinnati, and I would have put everything into
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: trying to win that game to see if I can
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: salvage the season, and ultimately may have been the difference I.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: Think I saw he's had seven games where he's thrown
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: for three hundred yards and throwing three interceptions.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he doesn't understand the concept of a trap corner,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: so like he's praying to Jesus.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: He said, He's, like, man, I pray to God he
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: could just help me stop throwing pick sixes.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable to me that like a corner. And I'm
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: not trying to pick on James a cornerback that is
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: that that is dis experienced, and he just keeps throwing
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: into the corner, will like act like he's carrying the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: receiver and then fall off the receiver and just jump
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: around underneath, and he throws into it every single time.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: I'm I, dude, this it's a trap. It is literally
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: called a trap corner. And you keep throwing the ball right.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: After he's still even after. Yeah, it's crazy Kevin and Mass.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: I think what was more concerning than the spray throws
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: from May early in the game was the lack of
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: a contingency plan for several blitzes the Bengals sent at us.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: I saw multiple free blitzers get immediate pressure on May
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: didn't seem to be well identified pre snap. I didn't
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: see the lines slid to the correct side or see
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: any alert adjustments from potential hot receivers. May either took
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: the sack or chucked up a prayer. I know his
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: pressure numbers have been good up until last game, which
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: is why I would have liked to think he would
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: have been better equipped to handle what the Bengals did.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: Yep, it's a good email. I think that was probably
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: the biggest concern coming out of this game from a
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: Drake May perspective, Like the pick like it happens, like
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: you're gonna you're not gonna go turnover free every single week.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: You're gonna throw some picks in the NFL. Uh, the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: lack of a plan against the blitzeres I asked him
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: about after the game. He fell on this sword as
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: he usually does and said that he could have been
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: better with it pre snap and you know, getting guys
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: blocked and things like that. But even still some of
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: the ones, you know, they got him on a nickel
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: on a slot blitz that I thought Diggs was just
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: open and he kind of froze and didn't didn't get
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: rid of the football there. Or think Rabel said even
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: just throw the ball at Digs his feet and just
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: live to play the dirdy the next down, you know
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: sort of thing even would have worked. Uh, the last
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: third down of the game, they led a guy through
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: the B gap unblocked and that was almost picked.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: And I didn't like his response to that one either.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so he so I think what happened was and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: I put this in after further review the one that
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about with the slot blitz. He had digs
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: on a little out that he just kind of didn't throw,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: and then they ran the same exact route into the
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: zero bulitz and Turner was ready for it this time,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: and so he fell off his guy and jumped out
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: knowing that it was coming, and Turner was this close
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: to a pick six that would have won the Bengels
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: the game. Uh So. But going back to the protection
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: for a second, like the A and the B gaps
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: have to be protected. You can't let guys through unblocked
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: through the A.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: And the B.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: Somebody comes off the edge, it happens. You know, the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: quarterback can account for that, but you got to keep
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: him protected through the middle of the pocket.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Uh Tay from Nebraska, He says, just want to First off,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: we came through when it matters yet again. Second, I'm
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: not trying to stir up controversy, but watching the first
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: time and even the second, it really appeared Cincinnati was
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: trying to actively injure our players. For example, the overslam
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: of Pop Douglas. Also another play where Drake was getting
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: tackled by two players and the one on top literally
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: punched him in the face. Maybe I'm looking too much
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: into it. Either way, we got the win. Yet again,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: they probably were trying to hurt us.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: I would just say on the Douglas one, he hadn't
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: been touched down. He got up and ran, That's why
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: they threw him down. Yeah, despite the fact that Kevin
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: Harlan called that a touchdown for yard touchdown, he did
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: say that it was a great Now, I don't know
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: if he was saying touch he was touched down, but
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: he said touchdown. That was one of the worst performances
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: by a veteran play by play guy misidentified players all
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: game long.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: Like I was thinking about this last night as I do.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: The throat to pop might have been the best throw
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: I've seen in the NFL all year.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: That was a good throw like that.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: Really, that's on the list of any quarterback throws all
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: season long. That's on the list.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: I got a funny Top five funny quick one for this.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: In the post game, I had said that, you know,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: we were talking about how Drake was a little off
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: at the beginning of the game, and I was like,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: you know, even when he got quote unquote hot, like
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: they like, Henry was just kind of getting wide open,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: and he was he didn't really have a lot of
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: tight window throws.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: And Mike immediately goes, well that one.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: Pop talk was like, oh yeah.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: That one, Oh yeah, that one's throw, and I was like, oh,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: I forgot about that one.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: His feet are in his own end zone and he
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: and he throws with anticipation forty yards down.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: That just kind of like he like looked back and
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: then he got around the guy and like, I mean,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: absurd were he lets go with the ball? Pop hasn't
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: even really like nottten in. I mean, that's just practicing.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Dylan writes in I was listening to Barth on one
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: of his shows, and he points out that despite Drake
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: playing exceptionally well, he's not very good at the QB sneak.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: What is your take on putting someone else under center
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: for Sneaks? Bart suggested Hollins, but I like Henry or
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Hooper in that role. Who would you pick?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: It's a good point. Turns this back that Alex and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: I have talked about before. I want to say probably him,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: but I want to say that we have.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 15: It.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: You know, Sneaks is all about pad level, Like Brady
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: was so good at it because he got really really
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: low and you know, really drove his legs and got
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: underneath and kind of like burrowed underneath the big bodies there.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think he gets low enough. I think he
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: tries to go over the top with it and and
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: it doesn't really get that push, all right.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: I potentially analyze that.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: He turns us back, and he definitely turned his back
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: on that one, and that's why the ball never got
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: to the goal line.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Brady used to just go straight down like he
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: would just kind of like burrow underneath it.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Eric says, this is why we should have kept Dugger
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: and White. They're both doing well in Pittsburgh and San Francisco.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know how that helps the situation.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen any I can't tell you that that's
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: right or wrong. Douggers made an impact in Pittsburgh, but
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: he wasn't playing really here unless one of those guys
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: was hurt.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you could make the argument that
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: ke On White could have rushed inside on some third
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: downs without Milton Williams.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: That's a fair point.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that I pointed out when they traded him,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: but it wasn't going to be a big role. It
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: wasn't like he was going to be starting. But I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: guess in theory, yeah, it's a fair email if it's
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: third and eight, like he could have put ke On
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: White over the guard and you know, on the spot,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: and yeah.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because I was initially like that ke On White,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: you know. But no, that's a fair email. You lost
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: a guy that he could have potentially given you a skill.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: He could have given you a later of depth that
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: maybe he's better than Durden or Gregory Bruce.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: And Bluffton, South Carolina, originally from North andover on punters
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: and QB's. He said he once saw Tom Musick accidentally
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: kicked the ball backwards over his head. I think in
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Fenway Park. Back up QB to bay Perilli. Uh. Tom
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Musick is the answer to a good trivia question, which
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: is name the only player to play professional football and
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: baseball in Fenway Park.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: Let me think about that one.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Wait, what the answer is Tom Uson? He played for
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions for a short stint.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: Not Harry aganis.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: I do think it's that for the Braves and then
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: in the same day played again that's pretty cool.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was amazing when like live, Yeah it was.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 12: Time.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he played the sports.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: You know, he would play baseball and then when baseball
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: was over he would play football.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: But actually I remember that being.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: And I don't think the Braves weren't happy with it,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: and he ended up not I don't think he'd played
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: in the game, but he got there. He got to
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: the game in like the fourth inning.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Who's a better baseball player? Bo or deal? I think yeah,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: was an all star amazing place.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: I think Dion could have been a really good baseball
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: player if he focused on Yeah, he was a good
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: he was, I mean exactly, just an unbelievable athlete.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: Yea, I remember him. He could hit, running.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: The bases, Yeah, he was a weapon on the base.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: Was he fast?
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Ben thinks that Drake May is slightly regressing every week.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: He's wondering if the deficiencies are starting to wear him down.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: Then I have some very small sea concerns, very small
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: sea concerns with Drake. I think that might be putting
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: it a little strong that he's regressing every week, because
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: I think he just played at such a high level
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: all year. A little worried that the turnovers are starting
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: to crop up, and for some reason he has he
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: has friends in the NFL stats crews because they don't
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: really record his fumbles. He had another fumble in this
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: game that they didn't say was a fumble.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: And I'm not on the scramble.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not talking about the pass that was clearly
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: a pass that they originally ruled a fumble and then
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: they overturned it on replay. He fumbled on an early
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: scramble and he recovered it like ball security is important.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: He was excellent against the Jets, So I mean, I know.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: That's why I said. I think that's strong saying he's regressed.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Every week, but he was awesome against the Jets.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: He was really really good.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: And AJ says he feels like Josh McDaniel's play calling
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: was less effective against the Bengals. He's been good this year.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: But shouldn't he know Drake can't run a sneak.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: They didn't run a sneak. Everybody be up in arms
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: like a sneak. You're like one inch line. Like I thought,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: Josh did a lot of different things on that goal
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: line set. They didn't execute him.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: I think that The one thing if you wanted to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: be small is he concerned about McDaniels, is that we're
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: getting to the point of the season where it's all
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: on film, like all the stuff that they have been
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: doing and all the things that they cooked up in
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: the lab in the summer time. I'm for Drake may
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: that's now out there is now all on film, and
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: I like this aspect of McDaniels, but it is something
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: that's worth mentioning is that they will repeat plays. Not
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: everybody does. They'll dress it up a little bit differently
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: and they'll get to it a little bit differently. But
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: you know the Hunter Henry touchdown, for example, they ran
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: that exact same play the week before, Like you know,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: they will do that, and they'll repeat plays within a
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: game where you know, Drake he loves stick. They'll like
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: they run stick like ten times a game. Now he
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: makes it go because you can hit stick in many ways,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: in different ways and whatever the coverage gives you. But
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: if you want to go there with McDaniels, you know,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: let's hope that he's got some things that he's been
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: holding back that are in his back pocket for when
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: the games start to get bigger.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: And would just point to the run game though, like
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: just trying to find some kind of consistency. Now that
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Ramandra Stevenson's back, you have a rotation going. I mean,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: seemed to me like they weren't ready to really throw
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: him into the fire. They just wanted to pass protection
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: for the most part in this game. And maybe that
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: continues through this week and let him get healthy fully.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: But that's where I just started, is give give Drake
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit of consistency in the run game, you know,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: give him manageable.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: He does seem to still be able to get the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: tight ends open. But I thought in this game the
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: receivers didn't do as good a job of yeah, you know,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: degraating Jake's got open.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: On the third down, Booty was going to catch a
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: touchdown if that guy didn't drag him down. I mean
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: that fall that was seen that movie before, right, he
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: just pulls away late and drops it right in the bucket.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: You know, Hollins had had the big play down the sideline,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: but and then pop out the big play up up
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: the shoot. But it wasn't a high volume game for
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: the receiver.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: But he ended up with ninety four.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: It was a career high in yards, but getting there,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: it didn't was just linebackers.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: It wasn't the same.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: They had the line, but the Bengals linebackers stink and
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: they just had the linebackers spin in.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: It was Brandon's in Buffalo, back on the hut. What's up, Randy? Randy? Hello, Yeah,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: are you embarrassed? Go ahead?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 13: No, No, I'm not embarrassed.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, good?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah, how are you guys doing?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: All right? Just calling to say, hey.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 11: How do you guys think if Marcus Bryant was the
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 11: left tackle instead of low because he played left tackle
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 11: in Missouri?
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a good question. It's
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: something I was thinking about I think yesterday.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to think about it a little bit.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: So at Missouri, armand Membu played right tackle and Marcus
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: Bryant was their left tackle last year at Missouri. So
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: he's the left tackle by trade. That's that's his more
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: natural position.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: His body type and his play style probably fits right
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: tackle in this system a little bit better than left.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: But he's he's played left tackle more than he's played
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: right tackle.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: So, but he's like six seven.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: He played, Yeah, he played on the left side of
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: the s m U two.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: So why do you why do you say that his
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: type is more.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: He is a maller, big dude, you know, a big,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: good run blocker. You know, usually with McDaniel's, like the
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: right side, they usually have the the bulldozers on the
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: right and the more athletic guys on the left. Typically
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: not always, but you know, you see, like I always
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: go back to, you know, Solder Toney Andrews Mason Cannon
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: like that. That's sort of the way they want the
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: line to be built. Ideally, now they you have a
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: great player on the left side who's a maaller than that.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: All the power to you, but you know, that's just
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: how it's been in the past.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Randy. How about Nate and Iowa?
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: Hey Nate, Hey, can you guys hear me?
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 11: All right, yeah, yeah, I have a quick question.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 25: So back after the Panthers game, I put five dollars
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 25: on Drake made to win MVP win odds are like
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 25: plus seventy five hundred, and my plan was to take
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 25: the cash out after Drake has a bad couple of games,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 25: because right now I think my cash it's at about
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 25: one hundred dollars, but at this point, this late into
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 25: the season, do you guys think I should just ride
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 25: it out until the voting or should I take the cash?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 10: Well?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Can you go over that again? How much did you
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: put ten bucks? Five bucks to win one hundred? I
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: would ride it. I would let it ride.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: Same.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a shot with still dollars.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 25: The payout was to pay five dollars to pay three
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 25: eighty five, and right now I have an early cash
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 25: out for like one hundred bucks or so.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: But I would ride it out because he's got those games. Again,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: I would cash out Buffalo and Baltimore.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: I think Matthew Stafford uh.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: For ninety five bucks.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: But if he played well against Buffalo and Baltimore, absolutely
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: right in it, especially win the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: I thought it was the Japanese. Yeah, but don't you
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: think Matthew Stafford has.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: The inside track?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 25: Yeah, a lot more to work. Follow up question about
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 25: that kind of because I think Matthew Stafford is number
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 25: one in odds right now, and I mean he's playing
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 25: lights out, so I don't know if it was worth it.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 25: Just take the cash out, just ride it till the end.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: I also feel like with MVP all these awards, like
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: you kind of have to have an MVP season before
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: you get the MVP. Like in a lot of cases,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: it's like kind of like proof of concept. And Stafford's
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: been so good.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I would take the cash out and find another prop bet.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Well that's what I said.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: Take the cash out, take half of it, put on
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Oh there, but you're not gonna get good.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Now, I'd ride it out, find another different type of bet.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: Cash it out, and put it on the Patriots to
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: go to the super Bowl.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: Like if he goes if he goes to the five
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: hundred to one, I have no idea if he goes
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: to Baltimore and I maybe they flex that game into
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: like a four to twenty five window or something like that,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: and he goes to Baltimore and he foes through three
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: hundred and three touchdowns and beats the Ravens, Like they're
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: gonna the MVP thing. That's gonna have to it's gonna
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: start right back up, like especially if they win those
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: games without Campbell and without Moses And you're.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Right, you're right, thanks Nate Bill's and Vancouver. If I
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: can hit the button there, you what's up, Bill, I.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 24: First time caller, a long time listener. I'm curious the
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 24: knee braces that offensive linemen wear in college and then
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 24: they get to the pros and immediately ditch them. Wouldn't
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 24: you think that the type of hit that Will Campbell
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 24: took would have been prevented by that knee break.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know, there's no way to know for sure
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: it could have been. I it's funny that when Mike
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: brought that up, I hadn't really. I always kind of
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: think of all the offensive linemen, all were knee braces
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: in me too.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I thought this is weird taking them
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: off now.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: It's uh, you know, you're not encumbered. Yeah, the speed ridiculous.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like ten years are just going
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: to be played in shorts and helmets.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: Well, in college they basically play You ever see the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: pants in college?
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, like capri pants.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: I don't care for it.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that this
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: particular one because it came from the side.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: But if it comes from the side and you have
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: the brace on, isn't that where the medal is to
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: prevent the knee from that's the whole.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: The brace is supposed to It's like, you know, if
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: you're betting your knee, like it's supposed to help your knee.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: Like this was a side collision.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: I thought it was supposed to knee from going side
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: to side.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: That's what I thought.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 10: I was.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, again, I don't know. I've never played offensive line yet.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a brace. It braces you well well.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 7: But.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: Does it brace it from going forward or to the side.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: That's that's where the medal is forward you have to run.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: I just know that the guy came from the backside
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: and was pursuing the ball and hit him.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: And since guy probably a good chance.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: Well, Kimbell will have a brace on if when he
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: comes back this year. But I always also think of Brady.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, Brady never wore a brace to low eight
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: towards a c L brace on that leg rest of
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: his career.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: I do agree that the plant leg the for like
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: the leg that the quarterback puts forward, it would be
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: smart to wear a brace on that leg.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. William Wright sin he was says, I was taking
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: a look at super odds for teams and it hit
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: me the NFL scriptwriters have the perfect opportunity. Rams versus
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Patriots two point zero. The Greatest Show on Turf had
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: one of the best offenses in the league. The Rams
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: currently have the MVP front runner in Stafford at thirty
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: to two at thirty touchdowns, two interceptions. Patriots are on
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: their second year of their starting quarterback. They have an
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: opportunity here to have Brady call the game and relive
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: an amazing Hall of Fame career throughout all the lead
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: up to the big day.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: It's not on Fox, so it won't be Brady.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: It would actually be Patriots Rams three point zero. They've
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: already played twice in the Troubles.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Some people are so young, Paul that they don't even
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: remember that they played them.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: I thought the super Bowl was on Fox.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: It was on Fox last year.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Well last year it was I don't know what I know.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: That's ye right, I think it's back to see.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: But I think he was actually referencing this would be
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: like the second time. I don't think the Rams have
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: the kind of offense right now that you're talking about.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 6: With the Greatest Show on Turf.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: No, the super Bowl is on NBC.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Universal and.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: No Tom Brady, But would would that be weird though,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: if Tom Brady is if the game's on Fox and
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: the Patriots make the Super Bowl, is there any kind
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: of you know, attempt by the league to say we
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have Tom do that or is that interesting?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: I mean because bias.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: I think people would watch to see if he wouldn't
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: have any announces any of these games. J J watch
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: just announced t J Watts touchdown.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: What now, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't think people would be like great
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: to watch the Patriots and here Tom Brady, the whole
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: game won't happened.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: I think people would hate watching.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: They'll love me wat I mean, Akeman calls Cowboys games
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: all the time.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: That's what I meant by like, I know it happens
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: on every game. Yeah, like doing Panthers games like I mean, everybody,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: all these guys are former players and they.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Played for teams and the Panthers could make it.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm just saying any game you'll get any
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: other game that happens.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: Well, more people, more people, more chance to more. You know,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: you're putting more out in front of what.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: I just be offended having to listen to Tom Brady
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: do the game.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: You know, what can I say? Real quick?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: I said something I caught some of him, and I
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: have to be honest. I found him unlistenable early on,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: but I think he's gotten better, Like I found it
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit more leaning into what do you see Tom?
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: What is your you know?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: In the less it's just awkward silences and trying to
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: be like, I think he's he's he's better. I mean,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: not surprising given how hard that guy works, but I
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: just I gotta give him credit.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I thought he was better. Everyone sucks but me, well,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of the question that I think will
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: be asked after the season is less about his uh,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: you know, his broadcast work. It's more his work at
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: the Raiders. How much of that team is his responsibility?
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: So some people say it a lot, Well, some people
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: are saying that, I don't know if it's true.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, if it's a lot, then the yikes.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's just there in a titular
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: sense or if he's actually making big decisions.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: If he's making decisions, I think we learned that Tom
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: Brady the executive is not the coat.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: Right at least John Elway was successful initially before he
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: lost it.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Nick says, damn you, Fred, He's from Maine. I want
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: to start by saying Fred is wrong about Permante's brothers.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Those sandwiches are absolutely killer, and I won't tolerate the
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: slander outside of horrible sandwich takes. I saw meme and
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it would be a fun game to pitch
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: to the crew if you had to pick three players
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: from the dynasty to currently join you at the Thanksgiving table.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Who would you choose three people from the dynasty to
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: join you at Thanksgiving?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Brady, Gronk, Edelman.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Brady and Edelman.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know about those two, and they wouldn't be
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: the most fun, But it's just that's that to me?
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: Is Brady's you?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Turkey Tom? What do you want?
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Uh? I don't know.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Let me think about that for a second.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: You're going for fun, like honestly, the rable would be.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind. Would be a lot of fun. He'd
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: take rocket shots at everybody and you're really gonna eat that?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: Hunh Yeah.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 6: I mean he'd be dumping all over you the whole meal.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: Thanks for talking about the injuries.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: He'd be he'd be funny. Rabel would be funny.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: It seems like you'd be pretty intense about the whole situation,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: you know, he does certainly, Hey, anybody be fine with me.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Anybody would be fine.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: What did Brady do?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 6: He seemed to be alluding to a slip of the
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: tongue that I'm not.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he kind of used the N word, but
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: he really didn't. He meant no, he meant this. He
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: was saying it was supposed to be Dickerson, and he
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: kind of he said Nickerson, but he he stopped it
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: because he's started he said nicker I thought, and then
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: he stopped. He goes, oh, sorry about that.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, that's that's yeah.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: Crisis first.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but like there's a difference if you like I thought,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: maybe he got caught in a hot mic or something. Yeah,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: like that's just miss you know, you just mispronounce a
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: word or whatever, the like, that's like he didn't mean
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: to say that. Well, Mike, that's great.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, wonder.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: Curtison and I had to him out that night. Yeah,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: Like he was so depressed he wouldn't answer our text.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: Final we just went and grabbed him and dragged him
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: out with us. The combine Curtis and Saint Louis.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: He says Evan, Yes, I'm totally with you when it
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: comes to the playoffs. I'd much rather play the Broncos
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: in Denver than play the Chiefs. I understand they have
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: a great defense. I understand the elevation in Denver's insane.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: But I have more confidence in the Patriots offense putting
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: up enough points against Denver's defense than I do stopping
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and outscoring the Chiefs. Bo Nix is a
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: bum casey held indeed to under eighteen total yards and
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: zero points in the fourth OT bottom line. I don't
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: care about the fourth and the OT bottom line. I
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: don't care about the Chiefs record or how it looks
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: right now. All they have to do is make it
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: in the experience of the team at its core of
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: the offense, defense and the coaching staff have been there
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: year after year. That's more intimidating than anything bo Nicks
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: and Sean Payton have to offer.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Brady email, I.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: Can't argue with anything of that email. I mean, I
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: just I just disagree. I'd rather play Kansas City in
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: Foxboro than Denver and Denver if it's the same Denver
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: and Denver, Kansas City and Kansas City. I'll take Denver, Yeah,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: I guess I'll take the home game on Kansas City
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: that a road game in Denver.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: I guess if those are my only two options, I
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: don't know. I like I look at it just as
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: Denver on its own in terms of like would I
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: be that. I still think the Patriots have a very
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: good chance of beating Denver, whether it's here or there.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: But Kansas City the great quarterbacks worry me. I you know,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: if they face the guy that because I think the
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: way to beat this Patriots team is to throw the
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: ball forty five times. That's how I think you win.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: I think if you're if you're capable of having a
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: really big, you know, passing performance against them, I think
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: that you're going to be They're going to be in trouble.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a big passing performance against anybody,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: you will do well. Right.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, I think that's their
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: weakness defensively is if I know what Evan's saying, livebackers
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: in safeties in the middle of the field, you know,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: passing the football. I don't. I think their pass rush
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: is an average you know, like.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: Why because they played Nickel too much?
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: Right, It's one of the reasons why I'm not overly
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: concerned with what the amount of running yards that Chase
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: Brown had this week, because while those yards are that's
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: times they're not completing passes. I think Evan's right. I
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: think the way to beat the Patriots is to make
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: plays in the passing game.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Chase writes in Evan mentioned for Jenga blocks being Diggs, Williams, Campbell,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: and Gonzo. Would you agree that Marcus Jones might be
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: number five? I honestly questioned him being a captain at
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, and wow, has he proven
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: me wrong. Yeah, he's played really well.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: I think just the thing I've accepted with Marcus Jones
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: is that he's going to be a a target for
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of teams. Like it's just you can see
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: it every game, trying to get I mean, when Kasiki
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: got on Marcus Jones, he's like got the you know,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: the arm up. So you know, he makes his fair
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: share of plays. But you know the other one was
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: crazy catch. I forget which guy was over it, Tinsley
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: had over him. You know, like it's That's just a
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: matter of if you choose to play him in the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: slot and you play them a lot, like those are
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: gonna be plays that you might give up from time
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: to time, but he makes up for it with punt
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: returns and that kind of stuff.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: So it's dime to play more dime Gretchen in the
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: Saqua Washington, she said the difference between Tom and other
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: former players is his ownership interest.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: He has a direct financial benefit with the Raiders. Former
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: players do not. They have personal interests.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's I agree with that.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I that'd be more of an issue if
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: it was the Raiders in the Super Bowl, I think
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: than just we're talking about the Patriots general annoyance for
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: everybody that they got a whole lot of Patriots coming
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: at them for the whole Super Bowl.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Norie from Arizona. On handwritten notes, Evan really wants to
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: give a handwritten note to his ex and o's idol,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Dan Rolofsky. The note will state how he'd like to
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: audition for an ESPN NFL live his dream job to
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: work alongside his crush. Meta times.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: Wow, those are a lot of words.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: None of which were necessarily false.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: I would say Dan Orlovsky and I have a complicated relationship,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: so no, we you know we we we like to
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: share in the love of football in All twenty two.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: But his comments in the past about Drake May, you know, really.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: Just can't overlook him for Fred.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there the receipts live on. You know, if it
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: was up to Dani Orlovsky, Drake May would still be
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: on the bench right now as he's putting together an
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: MVP season on a ten and two team. So you know,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: I just I love you, Dan, Sorry, can't help it.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Mike chat in Atlanta, I know it sucks that the
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: universe decided to take away some of our most important players,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: but surprisingly, I'm not worried. I've just been so impressed
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: by Mike Rabel and his staff. I know the knee
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: jerk reaction from everyone is going to be to talk
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: about how bad for Darien Lowe is, but let's have
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: some faith in Doug Moron. Low and Brown came into
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: the game on Sunday and I feel like they didn't
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: miss a beat. There's a night and date difference between
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: the coaching from last year and this year. I feel
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: like that's what's going to save the season. That's what
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: I'm banking onto, you said, and save.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: The season as such a like like I don't know.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: I mean the season is right like they're already going
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: to the playoffs. I just need those guys back. If
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: you're gonna make noise in the playoffs, you're gonna need
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: Campbell and Williams back.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: CP right, sin Us fans are quote angry at barely
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: beating one of the worst teams in the league because
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: we may have the quarterback and some solid young players,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: but they're also going to lose Digs in some key
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: veteran and soon. The front office got lucky with Diggs
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: because their first option has been a non factor in
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: injury prone Chris Godwin and their draft pick, and Kyle
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: Williams has shown essentially nothing. Not saying that I agree
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: with this, but I do see how this could be
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: the best team. The best this team has player wise
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: and schedule wise. The Bills, Chiefs and Ravens have had
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: off years, and we're not expecting that next year. This
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: is the year to really compete for champions So he's
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: saying this is it do or die.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's do or die.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: I think this is a building process, and I think
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: this is the way you've won more games than not.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 5: And I think suddenly this game seemed to really resonate
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: with everybody, like how are we beating these bad teams
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: only like this? And no one seemed to say this
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: after the Atlanta game, And no one seemed to say
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: this after the Miami game, and no one seemed to
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 5: say this after the Tampa game, Like these teams are
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 5: not that good that they're playing and more often than
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: like New Orleans, New Orleans is one of the worst
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 5: teams in football. They had the ball with a chance
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: to win the game in the last two minutes. No
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: one was up in arms that day. Is it just
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: because the goalpost it moved that much? So today it's
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: it's that that's an honest question.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: I think they want them to be on an upward
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: trajectory going into the playoffs, because, like we were talking
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: about earlier, more times than not, it's the teams that
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: peak in December and January. It's not the team that
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: flips the switch. And I think, you know not to
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: do that whole thing. But the concern is probably that
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: they peaked too early, right, And I.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: Just don't know as much different They're playing.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: Everything they possibly could out of what they had, and
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: then once those top line guys that they brought in
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: started getting hurt, now it's I.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: Thought they played better against the Jets on the Thursday
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: night game than they did Sunday in Cincinnati, but not
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: by a lot, not not, I mean not a huge
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: difference to me, and they both wretchedly bad teams.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: I thought they played much better defense in Cincinnati.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: I agree.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: I totally agree.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: Cat ball's going through their hands and couldn't catch the passes.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: One more emails from Barton Poland. If I see another
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: tweet or post or anything saying that it's Elliott Wool's
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: fault that he didn't add any offensive line help at
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: the deadline, I'm going to lose my mind. Anyone thinking
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: a team would trade away a quality O line depth
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: has absolutely no understanding of how the NFL works. The
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: only linemen who are realistically available were guys like Trevor Penning,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: who absolutely sucks. The O line depth in the league
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: is bad for every single team, so nobody is getting
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: rid of anyone that is remotely capable of playing the position.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: So there, right, you know, they they hung on to
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: Vederian Lowe. I mean he was hurt all summer. I
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: mean he didn't come back into what like mid August
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: was and he finally even started practicing. So I think
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: they continue. Elliot Will said, we've always thought he has
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: good feet.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: We've seen something there. I don't know.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see how it all comes together with the new
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff.
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  Speaker 1: And again, like he was on the injury portal lot
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  Speaker 1: last year, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Not giving him an excuse, but let's see what this
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  Speaker 3: guy who's rest lines up.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I given him a I give them like Josh, well,
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  Speaker 4: he'll have chips, they'll they'll have help on that side,
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  Speaker 4: Like they're not going to leave him on an island
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  Speaker 4: to go up against Brian Burns on Monday night. And
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  Speaker 4: I give Josh McDaniels more of that. Like, I think
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  Speaker 4: he's better at that than just about anybody in terms
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  Speaker 4: of understanding where the weaknesses are potentially are and using
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  Speaker 4: things to help to that spot. I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: he's going to be last year's coaching staff would just
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  Speaker 4: kind of put those guys out.
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  Speaker 1: For the best. Yeah, all right, we are done, but
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  Speaker 1: we're back tomorrow. The day before Thanksgiving. No show on Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow regular time. Catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Barth is available. He's available because this is this is
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  Speaker 6: It's a good point he's doing the afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I was interested in if he was going to
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  Speaker 4: text me and.
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