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Cheating Hubby Slips Pregnant Wife Abortion Pill So Mistress Won’t Think He’s a “Jerk” · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A high profile Texas attorney in hot Water accused of
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Speaker 1: sneaking an abortion medication into his wife's water for weeks.
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Speaker 1: But why because he's having an affair and he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to quote, look like a jerk. Guess what, You
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Speaker 1: look like a jerk and you're gonna go to jail.
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Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious
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Speaker 1: N one eleven letting those words just so Ken, a
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Speaker 1: lawyer obviously knows better, sneaks abortion inducing drugs into his
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Speaker 1: wife's at beverages for weeks? Why because he is having
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Speaker 1: a sex affair and he didn't want to look like
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Speaker 1: a jerk to his girlfriend, to his mistress by leaving
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Speaker 1: his wife when she's pregnant. Guys, let's just kick it
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Speaker 1: off with this from our friends at Crime Online. Mason
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Speaker 1: Herring and his wife Katherine seemed to have it all.
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Speaker 1: Mason Herring, thirty eight, is the founder and managing partner
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Speaker 1: of Herring Law Firm, which specializes in oil rig litigation.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Herring, also thirty eight, is an artist and founder
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Speaker 1: of the online shop Old Southern Charm. The couple have
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Speaker 1: two children, but Katherine Herring suspects that her husband is
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Speaker 1: lying about where he's going and what he's doing. Katherine
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Speaker 1: believes Mason is continuing an affair with a woman who
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Speaker 1: had worked for him. Trying to reconcile, the couple begin
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Speaker 1: going to marriage therapy, and that's where Mason Herring learns
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Speaker 1: he will be a father for the third time. Okay,
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Speaker 1: before I go any further, let me just go straight
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Speaker 1: out to doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us from
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Juristic, and she's at angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, Is it true that even after your spouse
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Speaker 1: cheats like h E double L have sex like a
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Speaker 1: bunny everywhere he can, people actually work through that and
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Speaker 1: they stay together. It's very rare, Nancy. So is that
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Speaker 1: a yes? People actually work through it and stay together.
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Speaker 1: It's barely a yes, Nancy. It's barely a yes. Is
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Speaker 1: it a yes or a no? Do people stay in
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Speaker 1: it even when the others cheated? I don't mean just once.
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Speaker 1: I mean like bunny's breeding in the backyard. It's very unlikely, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Can't believe they even went to therapy. Okay, let's just
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Speaker 1: start it right there. Nancy, the therapy is a rusee
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Speaker 1: usually a ruse for what it's a rude to buy
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Speaker 1: him a little tom. He thinks he's going to get
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Speaker 1: away with that. I was like those people that claim
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Speaker 1: they are sex addicts in what way? Nancy? Well, I
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Speaker 1: mean every time a Hollywood start gets busted at something,
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Speaker 1: they claim busted cheating, they claim their sex addict, and
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Speaker 1: they go into therapy, then they get out, then they
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Speaker 1: do it again. Right, everybody has to put a name
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Speaker 1: on everything, don't they. Well, I guess they do it
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Speaker 1: because they want to. Does that equal being an addict? Yes? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So if I just misbehave because I want to, that
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Speaker 1: means I'm an addict. Well, it depends on how much
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Speaker 1: you misbehave everything. Everything's sort of on a continuum, Nancy. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: he is definitely at one far end of the spectrum
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Speaker 1: here because not only is he having an affair, he
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Speaker 1: says he's going to stop the affair, but the wife
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Speaker 1: thinks he does it, you know. To Daryl Cohen joining me,
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Speaker 1: a high profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction as well,
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor, felony prosecutor, now defense attorney, Daryl Cohen. Did
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Speaker 1: you hear that he is into oil rig litigation? You know, law,
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Speaker 1: any type of law, can be very, very challenging. That's
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Speaker 1: why they make movies about law school. It's really hard.
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Speaker 1: But the people that specialize that, for instance, oil and
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Speaker 1: gas rights, water rights. But I've always been intrigued by
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Speaker 1: people that specialize in oil and gas rights. That's very
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Speaker 1: complicated law. You know that, right, Well, Nancy is complicated.
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Speaker 1: But the problem with him is I suspect as he
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Speaker 1: thinks he's so bright that he forgets the little things
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Speaker 1: like it's against the law. Hey, why would I be
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Speaker 1: separated from my wife? Oh? I am having an affair? Oh,
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Speaker 1: I got it. But it's okay, it's me because it's
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Speaker 1: all about me, and I can't like a jerk to
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Speaker 1: my girlfriend who I shouldn't be seeing. Okay, I just
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Speaker 1: said all of that. I asked you about oil rig litigation,
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Speaker 1: how difficult it was? Yeah, well it is difficult, and
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Speaker 1: then you go off and you're everything I said in
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Speaker 1: the open. Well I did that, Nancy, because your new
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Speaker 1: nickname Darryl ec Cohen Echo Chamber. What I'm asking about
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Speaker 1: is how difficult is the oil and gas litigation. The
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Speaker 1: oil rig litigation is really complicated. It's very complicated, and
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Speaker 1: it's so specialized. There are very few lawyers that engage
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Speaker 1: in oil and gas litigation because it is so specialized.
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Speaker 1: In in order to develop that specialty, you have to
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Speaker 1: develop an expertise and at the same time also obtain
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Speaker 1: the clients. We're going to pay you as you continue
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Speaker 1: to develop your expertise, like five hundred two thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: in hours what we're talking about. But you know what, Daryl,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to doctor Moroney on this as well.
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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen. It's just like you know, a will and
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Speaker 1: probate lawyer or oil rig lawyer. They could not go
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Speaker 1: into court and try a murder case. So they may
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Speaker 1: think that's complicated. But to me, when I hear somebody
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Speaker 1: is an oil regul litigation, you got to really know
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Speaker 1: your stuff to go. You can't fake your way through that.
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Speaker 1: It's incredibly complex. My point is this guy's got to
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Speaker 1: be super smart. Hey, doctor Moroney with me, and I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go off point here. Doctor Moroney, longtime colleague
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Speaker 1: and friend, Renowned chief medical examiner in Bay County, Michigan,
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Speaker 1: author of American Narken and you can find at Recovery
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Speaker 1: Pathways LLC dot com. But this guy, doctor Moroney, my friend,
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Speaker 1: believes so much in helping others and healing the sick.
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Speaker 1: He has created in Man's a mobile unit to help
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Speaker 1: people that are addicted to drugs and save their lives.
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell you that about him, doctor Moroney.
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Speaker 1: My question to you, as I'm sure being a medical doctor,
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Speaker 1: you fraternize with a lot of other doctors, and the
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Speaker 1: rest of the world looks that doctors as being almost omniscient.
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Speaker 1: They know everything and they're super brilliant. Same thing here.
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Speaker 1: Do you see doctors that are so smart and so
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Speaker 1: accomplished shading and running around and just doing the most
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Speaker 1: stupid things all the time. They have too much money,
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Speaker 1: their egos get in the way, and whether it's a
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Speaker 1: doctor or a lawyer, they think they can get excused
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Speaker 1: with bad behavior, and that marital counseling is very specific.
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Speaker 1: Doctors and lawyers they think if they can medicalize deviance,
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Speaker 1: they're a medicalization of deviance, then they're not doing something
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Speaker 1: that's like really wrong clinically. Maybe they're depressed and there's
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Speaker 1: an outlet there they're looking for something. The medicalization of
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Speaker 1: deviance has been rolling out in American culture for the
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Speaker 1: last thirty forty years, trying to expose somewhat bad behavior
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Speaker 1: is not that bad. If you can medicalize, you may
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Speaker 1: know when you're saying. I'm just sitting here trying to
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Speaker 1: figure this out, and with all my degrees, it took
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Speaker 1: me a minute to figure out what you're saying. You're
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Speaker 1: saying medicalizing deviant behavior. Is that what he just said? Okay,
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Speaker 1: now let me translate, let me dumb me down. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so even I can understand it. You're saying that people's
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Speaker 1: bad behavior is given a diagnosis, like sex addiction, so
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Speaker 1: that somehow goes, oh, it's not their fault, right, Is
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Speaker 1: that what you're saying? Yeah, because okay, I got you.
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Speaker 1: You treat sex addiction with counseling, and then you and
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Speaker 1: then you're supposed to get better. What we what we
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Speaker 1: want to do with addiction, whether it's a sex addiction
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Speaker 1: or anything else. It's trying to look at a medical model.
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Speaker 1: It's not to help people, but other people use that
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Speaker 1: medical model to explain how they made bad decisions. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what my husband could explain to all he
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Speaker 1: wanted to, but it'd be over because you know what, Maroni,
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Speaker 1: You've known me long before I got married and had
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Speaker 1: the children. And now I've got him, and I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this much, it will be a cold day
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Speaker 1: in h E double l that I missed this up
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Speaker 1: because I had the jackpot, I've got the twins. I've
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Speaker 1: got a husband. He's fairly smart, and he has full
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Speaker 1: insurance and all of his teeth. I mean, he's I
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Speaker 1: got it, okay, and I Am not gonna go cheat
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Speaker 1: with somebody and lose all that, no way. And he's
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Speaker 1: tall and handsome, you know I think he is. And
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Speaker 1: another thing, he puts up with my mother who lives
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Speaker 1: with us, Okay, which was all my idea. But my
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Speaker 1: point is, I'm working up to a point. Dander Angie Arnold.
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Speaker 1: Here's this guy, a lawyer, an old oil rig litigation lawyer,
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Speaker 1: so smart, all that money, beautiful, Why she's pregnant and
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Speaker 1: what does he do? He cheats? Do cheaters ever think, wow,
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Speaker 1: if I got taught, I'm gonna lose everything? Or do
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Speaker 1: they just follow their pepe wherever it leads them. They don't.
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Speaker 1: They don't think that, Nancy, because they're the severest of
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Speaker 1: narcissists and they need cuttstant they need cut stant input
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Speaker 1: from other people. So the fact that she has two
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Speaker 1: children and she's gotten pregnant with the third means that
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Speaker 1: she's not paying as much attention to him as he
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Speaker 1: think as he thinks he requires. Wow, can you imagine
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Speaker 1: that taking care of a home and a family and working,
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Speaker 1: and you don't have enough time for your husband. Plus
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Speaker 1: she's pregnant and Nancy, they don't look, why does he
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Speaker 1: think you should have all that time? She's obviously doing
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Speaker 1: the yeoman share of work. I mean, somebody battened their
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Speaker 1: eyes at him because they knew how much money he was.
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Speaker 1: Don't tell a man the woman only wants him for
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Speaker 1: his money. Do not do that? Well, I would never
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Speaker 1: tell Darryl Cohen that in no way. Ego crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Okay, back to this woman, you know, moroney,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you got off on this topic,
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Speaker 1: but I want to get back to this woman. Katherine
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Speaker 1: Herring and this husband, the lawyer, Mason Herring, take a
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Speaker 1: list of our friends a crime online. At their counselor's suggestion,
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Speaker 1: Mason and Katherine Herring spend Spring break with their children
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Speaker 1: in West Texas. Mason Herring reportedly takes an interest in
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Speaker 1: his wife's nutrition, encouraging her to stay hydrated. Telling Katherine
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Speaker 1: she needs to drink more. Herring brings her water. Just
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes later, Katherine becomes very ill with diarrhea and crimp.
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Speaker 1: Within hours, she is severely bleeding. At a local hospital,
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Speaker 1: she provides a urine sample that is nearly black in color. Okay,
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Speaker 1: urine that is black in color. Doctor William Maroney joining me,
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Speaker 1: chief medical examiner, Please do not start using Latin terms
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Speaker 1: or medical terms. Okay, and tell me anybody's urine would
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Speaker 1: be black. Her urine's black because she's bleeding internally and
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Speaker 1: the blood is oxidizing. You said oxidizing. Okay, Oh, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: it's getting urine. Yes. Because one of the effects of
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Speaker 1: minds of Prospal, this abortion drug that they're using, is
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Speaker 1: it creates cramping, cramping in the kidneys, cramping in the bowels, cramping, spasms.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why she went to the
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Speaker 1: hospital bleeding and with diarrhea, because the drug causes cramping,
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Speaker 1: so that cramping in the kidney's squeezing, squeezing down is
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Speaker 1: squeezing blood into the urine, and that's causing her diarrhea.
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Speaker 1: And that's how this works in an abortive patient way.
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Speaker 1: It causes cramping in the uterus and dilation of the
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Speaker 1: cervix and gravity and cramping then past the fetus. And
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Speaker 1: that's how it works. You know, doctor Moroney, I would
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Speaker 1: put you on the witness stand in a New York
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Speaker 1: minute because when you were describing that, and you were
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Speaker 1: saying squeezing, squeezing, I thought, Jackie here in the studio,
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Speaker 1: I mean, her face contorted in a way I've never
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Speaker 1: seen when you were describing why this woman's urine was black.
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Speaker 1: So she takes a sip of water that the lawyer
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Speaker 1: husband gives her and immediately thirty minutes horrible, horrible cramps, diarrhea,
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Speaker 1: and she urinates urine black in color. Well that's not all.
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Speaker 1: First of all, why see he's so interested in her hydration? Okay,
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Speaker 1: right there, that's a red flag to me. But that said,
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Speaker 1: maybe other people couples are interested in each other's hydration.
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Speaker 1: We don't really talk about it very much in our home,
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Speaker 1: but take a listen to this. Back at home, Mason
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Speaker 1: Herring's attentiveness continues. One day, Mason stops by the home
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Speaker 1: to bring Katherine breakfast in bed and offers her some water.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Herring thought it was odd that the water was cloudy,
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Speaker 1: but Mason allegedly tells her that the discoloration is a
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Speaker 1: result of the cup of water or pipes being dirty.
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Speaker 1: Katherine again becomes severely ill, experiencing cramps and bleeding, again,
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Speaker 1: ending up in the hospital, but doctors could not figure
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Speaker 1: out what was wrong. Katherine Herring becomes suspicious, refusing other drinks,
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Speaker 1: including a bottle of orange juice with a broken seal.
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Speaker 1: According to published reports, Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: let me understand this. He keeps bring bringing her cloudy
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Speaker 1: water and blames it on bad pipes. Why would she
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Speaker 1: drink it anyway? Why would you give your pregnant wife
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Speaker 1: dirty water to drink? I mean that was the very
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Speaker 1: first time. So when you realize that he is actually
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Speaker 1: doing what the marriage counselors suggested, he's being attentive. He's
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Speaker 1: bringing her some water. Now, this is the first time, okay,
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Speaker 1: and he has a legitimate Maybe the cup's dirty, maybe
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Speaker 1: the pist of dirty. You know she grants it. Wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Dave Mac, you know your wife seems like
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Speaker 1: a wonderful person. I find it really hard to believe
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Speaker 1: that if you took her glass of water that was dirty,
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Speaker 1: that she just drink it. I'd say, you go take
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Speaker 1: that wash to glass or just bring me another glass.
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Speaker 1: You know what, forget it, bring me a bottle of water.
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Speaker 1: I brought her cloudy water. She throws the water in
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Speaker 1: the cup at me and made me go back and
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Speaker 1: do it again exactly, you know. Yeah. Justin Boordman is
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Speaker 1: with us former Specialvictims Unit detective in West Valley, Utah,
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Speaker 1: author I Was Wrong, Investigator's Battlecry for Change and the
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Speaker 1: Special Victims Unit, and you can find him at Justin
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Speaker 1: Bourman dot com. Justin thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Have you noticed in all of your work that so
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Speaker 1: often crime victims have a relationship, a trusting and they
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Speaker 1: think loving relationship with the perpetrator. Yeah, they do have
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Speaker 1: this kind of relationship with the offender, in this case
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Speaker 1: their husband. It gets back to a lot of psychology.
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Speaker 1: But what you can tell with this person is we
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Speaker 1: can break it down and feel back the onion. It
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Speaker 1: gets down to power and control, and he has so
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Speaker 1: much confidence in his power and control that he will
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Speaker 1: give her a cloudy glass of water. He's not thinking
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Speaker 1: about this crime very well. I mean really want to
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Speaker 1: cover that up with some sort of colored, just clear water.
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Speaker 1: He's just very narcissistic. He can he's not afraid of
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Speaker 1: any of these of himself getting caught. He was extremely
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Speaker 1: stupid through this whole entire thing, which luckily enough, most
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Speaker 1: criminals are, and they make a lot of mistakes. But yes,
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Speaker 1: love and danger can coexist, and you can look through
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Speaker 1: their history. They're already having problems. He's controlling or even
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Speaker 1: having sex while he's having sex with somebody else and
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Speaker 1: they are trying to work on their marriage and impregnacer,
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Speaker 1: and they goes back to not wanting to look like
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Speaker 1: a jerk in front of his girlfriend. Guys, so far,
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Speaker 1: we've had orange juice that were that was suspicious. We
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Speaker 1: have had water that was suspicious. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Take it back to be rate. When the couple was
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Speaker 1: separated and it came out that she was pregnant with
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Speaker 1: his child, that wasn't well received by him. From there,
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Speaker 1: Hearing's wife recalled several instances when he provided her with
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Speaker 1: glasses of water that appeared suspicious. The first time, she
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Speaker 1: became violently ill after drinking it and went to the hospital.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at Katie r K. So
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Speaker 1: she becomes so suspicious she invites friends over as witnesses.
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Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of Daryl Cohen. It
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Speaker 1: reminds me of so many married women or women in
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Speaker 1: relationships that would actually tell their friends, if anything happens
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Speaker 1: to me, he did it. If anything happens to me,
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Speaker 1: the key to the house is in my secret compartment
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Speaker 1: and the back of my car. They know something, but
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Speaker 1: they don't know what they know. Have you ever encountered that? Oh? Absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Look I tell my daughters keep your head on the swivel.
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Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean looking for the obvious physical threats.
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Speaker 1: It means look at people around you who may do
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Speaker 1: something other than just attack you physically, And in this case,
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Speaker 1: he attacked her with adulterated water, trying to have her
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Speaker 1: have an abortion. So yeah, I see it happen all
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Speaker 1: of the time. But what I don't understand, and because
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Speaker 1: I'm not a woman, I never will if I saw
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Speaker 1: this type of thing happening, get the heck away say goodbye,
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Speaker 1: be gone, be gone, focus pocus, you're out of here,
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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Angie Arnold. That's a really good point.
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Speaker 1: And I always think that people in this case, this
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Speaker 1: woman wants to believe and the fairy tale. They want
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Speaker 1: the Hallmark card, they want the happy family, the husband
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Speaker 1: to love her and be a great dad. They're invested
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Speaker 1: in it. She's been married for all these years, although
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Speaker 1: they're both fairly young. You already got two children, a
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Speaker 1: third on the way, and she wants it desperately, so
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Speaker 1: desperately that she doesn't want to see what's really happening. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It happens all the time, and people are blinded by that.
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Speaker 1: And Nancy, I'm going to tell you it is so
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Speaker 1: hard to convince people. You and I can see it.
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Speaker 1: You and I could see that someone is dealing with
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Speaker 1: a narcissist, or there the victim of intimate partner violence,
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Speaker 1: which I have to wonder if there was something like
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Speaker 1: that going on. It's so very hard to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: And then the woman is even more vulnerable because now
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Speaker 1: she is pregnant again. And you know what, Nancy, let's
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Speaker 1: point out this fact. Does anybody know what The number
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Speaker 1: one killer of women who are pregnant to one year
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Speaker 1: postpartum is homicide. That is a scary spectic, isn't it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a significant other Japan, it's always yeah, I intimate partners. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Is women are at a high risk before the pregnancy.
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Speaker 1: They're consumed with the hormones of pregnancy that make them
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Speaker 1: could care about the baby, think about themselves. But then
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Speaker 1: their risk with violent partners accelerates after the babies are
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Speaker 1: delivered because that it's almost three times normal in violent relationships,
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Speaker 1: and the hormones of pregnancy will actually affect the brain
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Speaker 1: and cause the pregnant patient to want to continue the
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Speaker 1: pregnancy and thoughts of the baby and things like that,
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Speaker 1: so they're not thinking about how evil or distracted this
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Speaker 1: other person is or how toxic they are, and they're
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Speaker 1: likely to be more forgiving. You know what, doctor Moroney,
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Speaker 1: You're really hitting the nail on the head here, because
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Speaker 1: she's the nailness pregnancy with two other children to take
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Speaker 1: care of, the husband's gone all the time, so it's
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Speaker 1: all on her. She may not have been thinking because
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Speaker 1: of what you're saying the hormonal issues, but what doctor
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Speaker 1: Angie is saying as well, She doesn't want to know
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Speaker 1: that anything's bad. She wants to believe desperately that everything's
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Speaker 1: going to quote be okay. But you're giving me a
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Speaker 1: physiological reason that she is not paying attention to other details.
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Speaker 1: But at some point she becomes so suspicious she invites
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Speaker 1: witnesses over take a listen to this. Catherine Herring sets
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Speaker 1: up a camera in the home. She also invites friends
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Speaker 1: over to be witnesses during Mason's visits. During this occasion,
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Speaker 1: Mason allegedly tries to give his wife a drink, even
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Speaker 1: though she already has two beverages. Catherine tells investigators that
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Speaker 1: she and her guests saw an unknown substance floating in
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Speaker 1: the drink given to her. Back to the home camera.
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Speaker 1: Two days later, surveillance video captures Mason pulling out a
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Speaker 1: ziplock from his pocket and mixing a powdered substance into
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Speaker 1: the glass of cranberry juice. Catherine Herring checks the garbage
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Speaker 1: kens and finds a pharmaceutical called Cyrix, which contains miss prostal.
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Speaker 1: Miss Prostal is a drug used to induce abortions. This
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Speaker 1: guy is really worried about her hydration. Did you hear
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Speaker 1: that she's got witnesses over and she has put in
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Speaker 1: a video recorder, and even though she already has two drinks,
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Speaker 1: he insists that she drinks some cranberry juice. You know,
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Speaker 1: you know what's interesting. Do you see Dave Mack how
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Speaker 1: he's switching ms in that he brought water and she
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Speaker 1: could look at it until it was cloudy. Then he
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Speaker 1: tried orange juice. Now he's trying cranberry juice. I guess
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Speaker 1: to cover up the taste of the drug. He's trying
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Speaker 1: to do everything he can to learn from his previous mistakes.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is, Nancy, I was looking this over
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Speaker 1: and wanted to ask you. It seemed to me based
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Speaker 1: on the fact that he tries to put it in
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Speaker 1: with the water, okay, and she catches out the cloudy water,
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Speaker 1: dirty last whatever it is. But it happened at a
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Speaker 1: time when their marriage counselor said, why don't you two
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Speaker 1: spend Spring break together with the kids and try to
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Speaker 1: work on things. And you know, he doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: be there. He's already mad she's pregnant because she told
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Speaker 1: him during a counseling session. So he picked this time
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Speaker 1: when everybody thinks we're Lovey Dovey getting back together to
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Speaker 1: try to poison her the first time. He realizes that
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Speaker 1: he gets busted. So now he's covering up from orange
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Speaker 1: juice to cranberry juice. But he does something else out
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Speaker 1: of character Nancy. He cleaned up after himself and threw
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Speaker 1: away what would be considered evidence to a police officer,
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Speaker 1: the stuff containing this mesa postoff, but it was out
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Speaker 1: of character his wife that he never cleaned up anything,
24:46
Speaker 1: He didn't take the garbage out. Justin, boardman, did you
24:49
Speaker 1: know what Dave Magus pointed out? Justin? Have you ever
24:52
Speaker 1: noticed how often people become meat Nick's after they commit
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Speaker 1: a crime. You got Jodi Arius doing Travis Alexander's lot
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Speaker 1: after she stabs him to death in the fridge. You've
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Speaker 1: got Scott Peterson cleaning up the house after Lacy goes missing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I could give you a million examples. Have
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Speaker 1: you When I see a guy start cleaning the house,
25:13
Speaker 1: he did it right, absolutely, and you know, again it's
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Speaker 1: out of his character. Which she was smart enough to
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Speaker 1: get a camera out towards the bridge Can area and
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Speaker 1: see him take garbage from the truck, which you probably
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Speaker 1: rarely cleaned out and take that to the garbage can.
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Speaker 1: She's that she certainly outsmarted him in evidence gathering, catching
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Speaker 1: him empty in the garbage, caught you being good again
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Speaker 1: taking out the trash. But that's not the whole story.
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Speaker 1: Justin Boorman is right. Take a listen to McKay Hatfield
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Speaker 1: Katie r. K. It was later tested and a charging
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Speaker 1: document alleges that miso prostall, an abortion inducing drug, was
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Speaker 1: found in the water. The prosecutor says Herring's wife set
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Speaker 1: up cameras which led to more damning evidence. From the
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Speaker 1: camera inside the kitchen, you see him pull out a
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Speaker 1: powdered substance, make a drink and then mix the powder
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Speaker 1: into the drink. And then she obviously said that he
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Speaker 1: then brought her that drink. The woman turned the evidence
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Speaker 1: over to police, and Harring was soon after arrested in
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Speaker 1: the airport after returning from Las Vegas. This is the
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Speaker 1: first time I've seen something like this. Wow, the first
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Speaker 1: time that that type of behavior has been saying. Let's
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Speaker 1: go to doctor William Moroney, Chief medical Examiner. What is
26:34
Speaker 1: miss a prostall or cyrix? What is that? It's like
26:39
Speaker 1: a synthetic hormone and it worked by causing the uterus
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Speaker 1: to contract. The uterus contracts, the bowels contract, and it
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Speaker 1: restricts blood flow to the baby. That's so you restrict
26:54
Speaker 1: blood flow to the placenta. You restrict blood flow to
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Speaker 1: the baby, and then you force the uter to contracts.
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Speaker 1: So that drives the medical processes to an abortion. And
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Speaker 1: if it happens what we actually use this right before
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Speaker 1: women go to the hospital, but then they don't progress.
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Speaker 1: So it's applied to sin the uterus and start contractions
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Speaker 1: to help. But while you're full and healthy and you're pregnant,
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Speaker 1: you're not supposed to take it. And when we give
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Speaker 1: this at the hospital, it's supervised. It's a certain milligram.
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Speaker 1: Nurses are watching you. You have baby monitors, you have
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Speaker 1: a contractile monitor monitoring everything else. And if you begin
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Speaker 1: to tract too much contraction, then we take you to
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Speaker 1: sin there insection so in a healthy way, just for
27:49
Speaker 1: a few minutes the day you're supposed to deliver, this
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Speaker 1: medicine helps you deliver vaginally. Can I say a giant
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Speaker 1: on the radio? Yeah? But you you so it's helpful
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Speaker 1: and we apply it to the cervix and then you
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Speaker 1: get a natural glimmery but if you take this before
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Speaker 1: you go into deliver it, it's damning and she could
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Speaker 1: bleed to death. Guys, we're talking about a drug hidden
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Speaker 1: in this woman's various beverages. It's called misoprostal or cyrex.
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Speaker 1: And the kicker is he didn't try it just once.
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Speaker 1: Take a list now, france KTRK at least six times
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Speaker 1: over the course of just over a month. The woman
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Speaker 1: says her husband brought her drinks that he encouraged her
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Speaker 1: to drink, gave her a bottle of orange juice, and
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Speaker 1: she observed that the seal of the bottle was broken.
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Speaker 1: Surveillance cameras inside their home caught hearing putting a powdered
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Speaker 1: substance from a bag in his pocket into a drink
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Speaker 1: that he gave her. According to the prosecutor, she also
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Speaker 1: found opened blister packs that contained Cyrex, the Mexican pharmaceutical
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Speaker 1: that contains the drug misoprostal, in their trash. Yeah, sir,
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Speaker 1: the defendant cleaned out his truck and took the trash
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Speaker 1: out to the curb. She stated this was out of
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Speaker 1: character for the defendant and she does not do chores
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Speaker 1: around the house. Oh yeah, he started. He turned into
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Speaker 1: a neat knick suddenly, and that raised her suspicion. Time
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. It's not the first time a
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Speaker 1: husband has tried to poison his wife around the time
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Speaker 1: of pregnancy. Take a little to our friend Karen Drew Wdvy.
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Speaker 1: When do you start thinking about her breast milk and
29:47
Speaker 1: how that can come to play in solving her murder.
29:50
Speaker 1: Being a mom who breastfed, it came to my mind
29:54
Speaker 1: within a couple of days, and I know how breastmilk works,
29:58
Speaker 1: so it would be in there. Arnold says. The family
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Speaker 1: told police about having Christie's breast milk and asking it
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Speaker 1: to be tested. She had a small house, she had
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Speaker 1: a small freezer. She kept backups at her parents' house
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Speaker 1: and at her uncle's house. Five years would pass. Then recently,
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Speaker 1: the Genesee County Prosecutor announced charges against Jason Harris for
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Speaker 1: murdering his wife. We believe he put heroine into her
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Speaker 1: cereal and milk the night that she died. In that case,
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Speaker 1: Christie Harris died of a heroine overdose and it was
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Speaker 1: deemed an accidental overdose. Now this is while she was
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Speaker 1: breastfeeding her new baby. The inflam was just weeks old.
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Speaker 1: Her sisters. Christie's sisters could not believe that she a
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Speaker 1: used drugs and bodd just impossible. Years pass. They know
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Speaker 1: the husband did this to her, but they can't prove it.
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Speaker 1: And they remember her breast milk that she had saved
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Speaker 1: was still in a fridge. They have the breast milk,
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Speaker 1: they analyze it and proved that she had not been
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Speaker 1: using drugs, that she was poison at the time of
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Speaker 1: her death. So to you, doctor Moroney, how could heroin
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Speaker 1: kill you? How does an od work with heroine? Opiates
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Speaker 1: at a high dose are a very simple, fast death.
31:23
Speaker 1: It tells the brain to stop breathing. All drug overdoses
31:29
Speaker 1: have a specific action, but heroin or opioid pharmaceuticals are
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Speaker 1: very simple. They go to a certain place in the
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Speaker 1: brain and they say stop breathing. And there's absolutely no
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Speaker 1: way you should be exposed to heroine. If you're a
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Speaker 1: normal person at home and you have babies, you have
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Speaker 1: a job, you're breastfeeding, that just doesn't happen. That was
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Speaker 1: an excellent example of forensic medicine and heroin overdose. From
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Speaker 1: the fast you go down fast. He stopped breathing really
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Speaker 1: fast when they found her, Doctor Moroney, she was already
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Speaker 1: cold to the touch. A neighbor looked in the window
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Speaker 1: and saw her lying in bed, thought she was asleep.
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Speaker 1: Several hours pass they go back, She's still there. That's
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Speaker 1: when they find out mommy is dead. Here is another
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Speaker 1: example where the spouse was smart enough to use a
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Speaker 1: video cam now a way to hear our cuts nine
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Speaker 1: and ten our friends at ABC radiologists. Jack Chen says
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Speaker 1: he noticed a chemical taste in his drinks in March,
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Speaker 1: he set up a hidden camera in their kitchen, capturing
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Speaker 1: video evidence of his wife you you allegedly taking draino
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Speaker 1: from under the sink and pouring it into his lemonade
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Speaker 1: in three separate instances. In July, a doctor diagnosed Chen
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Speaker 1: with two stomachless gastritis esophagus inflammation. These surveillance images show
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Speaker 1: the moments of California man says he was secretly poisoned
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Speaker 1: by his wife. The images part of a restraining order
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Speaker 1: filing by doctor Jack Chen against his wife of ten years,
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Speaker 1: doctor Emily Yu. This poisoning occurred over a period of
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Speaker 1: time that caused him, in part, to suspect his wife
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Speaker 1: was poisoning him, and so he placed surreptitious recording devices
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Speaker 1: in the homy. The forty five year old dermatologist was
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Speaker 1: placed under arrest and later released on thirty thousand dollars bail. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I find it really interesting. Doctor Angie Arnold, psychiatra, was
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Speaker 1: joining us from Atlanta that the spouse is so suspicious
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Speaker 1: they actually put in a recording video device to prove
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Speaker 1: what they know inside is the truth. Well, they also know,
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Speaker 1: Nancy that they had to get hard evidence to prove it.
33:46
Speaker 1: Who's going to believe that it's so unbelievable that someone
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Speaker 1: would kill their wife this way, isn't it? In this case,
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Speaker 1: it was a female doctor poisoning her husband, doctor with
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Speaker 1: draino and he catches on video Doctor Moroni her the
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Speaker 1: wife with a big bottle and it says draino on
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Speaker 1: the front of it, pouring it into his drink. He
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Speaker 1: had some kind of a morning concoction that he would drink.
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Speaker 1: She was pouring it right in there. He had the
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Speaker 1: camera under the sink. Yeah, it was like six inches
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Speaker 1: away from the drain and she would reach in there.
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Speaker 1: It was time and date stamped. I remember this. He
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Speaker 1: had dual cameras. The one in the cabinet where you
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Speaker 1: see your hand come in there and get the drain Oh.
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Speaker 1: And then the other camera was a long shot of
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Speaker 1: her pouring it in the drink. And he went to
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Speaker 1: the doctor and his inside were totally torn up. Doctor Moroni, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: drain ol will eat you away like acid. It's lie
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Speaker 1: and it'll look like you're having a natural stomach problem,
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Speaker 1: a gastritis or anastophagitis that you would have from excess
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Speaker 1: of acid. But it eats you fast and then you
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Speaker 1: perforate and bleed and die. Just like that. That guy lived,
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Speaker 1: He managed to live, and this video is supporting his case. Now.
35:05
Speaker 1: Earlier we were talking about I think it was Daryl
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Speaker 1: Cohen brought up, but I think Justin Boorman said it too, Guys,
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Speaker 1: the arrogance of the killer, the arrogance of the husband
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Speaker 1: trying to poison his wife to induce an abortion so
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't look like a quote jerk to his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: leaving his wife with a newborn baby. She's going to
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Speaker 1: get rid of the baby and then leave her. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of arrogance, the case I just told you about where
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Speaker 1: the female doctor poisons her husband. Doctor listened to the
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Speaker 1: arrogance of this woman take a list of our cut
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Speaker 1: twelve case al. When I was looking through the court papers.
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Speaker 1: What it said was that at one point she called
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Speaker 1: her husband and asked if he would bail her out,
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Speaker 1: but he refused. The district attorney has not filed charges
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Speaker 1: against her yet. I also learned today that jack Chen's
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Speaker 1: lawyer went to the jail when you was still in
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Speaker 1: jail and presented her with this restraining order. She seemed
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Speaker 1: to be confused about all of it, and he said
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Speaker 1: to her, well, you've been poisoning your husband. That's why
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Speaker 1: we're getting a restraining order. So she can't imagine DARIALD Cohen. Wow,
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Speaker 1: they're following in as training order against me. Does this
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Speaker 1: mean I can't see my children? Why? And then calls
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Speaker 1: the husband she tried to poison did with Draino and
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Speaker 1: ask him to post her bond. They need to have
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Speaker 1: her picture beside the definition of arrogance in the dictionary,
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Speaker 1: it's arrogance. It's I am cool, It's all about me.
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Speaker 1: How could I possibly do that? I am a physician,
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Speaker 1: you're a physician. It's strictly a mistake. Draino has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with what was in your beverage. I mean, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is what happens when people think they're above the
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Speaker 1: law and they know more than everyone else combined. That's
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Speaker 1: why so many criminals are apprehended, prosecuted, and convicted because
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Speaker 1: they know more than all all of us, or at
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Speaker 1: least they think they do, Daryl Cohen and just In Boardman,
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true in your experience working with so many
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Speaker 1: crime victims. Very often the defendant's caught because they're smarter
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Speaker 1: than everybody in the room, or so they think. Correct.
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Speaker 1: A lot of them do get caught and believe that
37:17
Speaker 1: they are smarter than everyone in the room. And sadly,
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Speaker 1: in my specialty on the sexual sault side, more suspects
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Speaker 1: do get away with that than do get caught. But
37:28
Speaker 1: in domestic violence, on that pattern, they're going to keep
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Speaker 1: on doing it and it's going to keep escalating until
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Speaker 1: they eventually kill. Well, I've got a news flash for everybody.
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Speaker 1: I'm running out of things to drink. Okay, there's water,
37:39
Speaker 1: there's orange juice, there's cranberry juice. There's my morning cocoction
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Speaker 1: of whatever that doctor was drinking. All kinds of fruit
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Speaker 1: juices and veggie juices put together. Now coffee's out. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen Hour Cut thirteen my friend Jim Murray an
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Speaker 1: inside edition chilling video from a camera hidden in a
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Speaker 1: family's kitchen. It catches a husband poisoning his wife's coffee.
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Speaker 1: Brian Kauzlowski put the equivalent of eight sleeping pills in
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Speaker 1: the pot, swishing it around to make sure it was
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Speaker 1: mixed in. The camera was placed there by his wife,
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Speaker 1: who'd grown suspicious when she started feeling tired the days
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Speaker 1: he made her coffee. The couple was divorcing but still
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Speaker 1: lived together. So Dave mac there is no shortage of
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Speaker 1: spouses poisoning each other. It seems to be happening every
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Speaker 1: other day. What's the status of this case against this lawyer,
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Speaker 1: this oil rig litigator, Mason Harring. Oh, believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: This one is new, okay, so it is still winding
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Speaker 1: through the process. He will be in court day after tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: and I apologize. He'll be in court in the next
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Speaker 1: few days, and he's facing assaulting a pregnant person, assault
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Speaker 1: forced induction to have an abortion. That second charge came
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Speaker 1: into play based on what's happened in Texas with regard
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Speaker 1: to abortion. We're talking about a sentence of two to
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Speaker 1: ten years behind bars in a fine of about ten
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Speaker 1: grant two to ten And this is this could have
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Speaker 1: killed her? Moroney, dodger, maroney. Couldn't this have killed her?
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Speaker 1: This would have killed her by causing her to bleed
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Speaker 1: uncontrollably with overcontracted bowels and uterus. I think they should
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Speaker 1: add an at Tipton murder charge to this. And wow,
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Speaker 1: it looks like his plan to avoid looking like a
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Speaker 1: jerk didn't work out. I hope his girlfriend's drinking all
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Speaker 1: this in pardon the pun, we wait as justice and falls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, goodbye friend,