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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-27-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on
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Speaker 1: ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. Glad to be with you today.
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Speaker 1: Lots to talk about. Lots to talk about in the
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Speaker 1: world of sports. And we will get there after we
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Speaker 1: have a little soap opera discussion involving our favorite university
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Speaker 1: here on your home of the youths. Gordy Chiesa is
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Speaker 1: going to join us on the show today. Jerem Jordan
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Speaker 1: is going to join us for some red and blue.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz at one o'clock. Got a jam packed daily dump.
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Speaker 1: A lot of stories to get to. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: try to organize my thoughts and stay on track. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not usually very good at that, but. Yesterday, as
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Speaker 1: we were closing the show, a little crosstalk with Spence check.
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Speaker 1: It's I, I know it, you know, the, the, the
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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee show runs concurrent to ours. And he had
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Speaker 1: some things to say about the university of Utah's experience
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Speaker 1: at the university of Utah. I was like kind of
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Speaker 1: fired up because whenever, when Pat McAfee is talking right
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Speaker 1: for me, the way that I interpret Pat McAfee, is
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Speaker 1: similar to the way that probably WWE wrestling fans experience
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Speaker 1: Vince McMahon or Cody Rhodes or whatever. I look at
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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee and I'm like, that dude is an entertainer.
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Speaker 1: When that guy is saying something, it's probably, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: 70 to 80% serious. He probably believes 70 to 80%
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Speaker 1: of the things that he says. He's a guy who,
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Speaker 1: you know, he's a bit of a class clown, and
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Speaker 1: I mean that in an affectionate way. I am not
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Speaker 1: anti-Pat McAfee. I was like, yeah, sweet, a little beef
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Speaker 1: between Pat McAfee and the University of Utah. By the way,
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Speaker 1: let's draw a very, very important distinction here. No matter
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Speaker 1: where you sit on the whole thing, the University of
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Speaker 1: Utah social media account, not the Utah Athletic Department, not
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Speaker 1: Utah Football Association, Not anybody in the sphere of engagement
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Speaker 1: that Pat McAfee was actually contacting as a member of
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Speaker 1: the college game day crew, right? Athletics and football bring
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Speaker 1: that to the university. The University of Utah's social media
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Speaker 1: account made probably a poor choice for Although, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: a pretty innocuous poor choice in posting video of college
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Speaker 1: students who very clearly, in my opinion, were being good-natured
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Speaker 1: in maybe lightly ribbing this megastar sports media personality.
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Speaker 2: And he didn't like it. And he blew it out
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Speaker 2: of proportion.
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Speaker 1: And he went on his show and said that he
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Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable, and he suggested that he felt even a
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Speaker 1: little unsafe and made an unforgivable analogy, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: here to just rag on him. You all know what
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. He references the Charlie Kirk situation down
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Speaker 1: at UVU as some sort of weird twisted justification of
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Speaker 1: why he felt like this needed to be taken so seriously.
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Speaker 1: That is not, in my opinion, that is not anywhere
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Speaker 1: near the mark.
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Speaker 2: That is like way off base, way off track.
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Speaker 1: But because the University of Utah has to be a
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Speaker 1: good partner to ESPN, and because Pat McAfee is probably
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Speaker 1: the second most powerful individual personality at ESPN right now,
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Speaker 1: I haven't paid close attention to whether or not he
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Speaker 1: or Stephen A. Smith is getting more money and is
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Speaker 1: being more coddled by ESPN right now. You have to
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Speaker 1: play nice with people that are in a position like that.
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Speaker 1: If he felt like, and he clearly did, if he
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Speaker 1: felt like the university was being disrespectful or the university
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Speaker 1: was undercutting him or undermining him, then he's entitled to
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Speaker 1: react to whoever he wants.
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Speaker 2: I think it's soft. You think it's soft.
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Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that the overall public
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Speaker 1: reaction to this, the overall public sentiment on this, is
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Speaker 1: probably like an 80-20 split in favor of Pat being
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Speaker 1: too soft, but the reality in which the university has
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Speaker 1: to operate and the athletic department, who.
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Speaker 2: Had nothing to do with this.
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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with any videos posted, nothing to do,
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Speaker 1: they weren't endorsing any statements from any students, who, by
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Speaker 1: the way, I think we got a total of four
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Speaker 1: college students that may or may not have been a
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Speaker 1: little bit loose and inebriated, or maybe just like up
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Speaker 1: too late or whatever it was like, not exactly official
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Speaker 1: spokespeople for university. However, act how you want to act.
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Speaker 1: Think how you want to think, react how you want
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Speaker 1: to react. If you're Pat McAfee, in this case, Utah
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Speaker 1: athletics has nothing to do with it. Utah athletics feels
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Speaker 1: like they need to, you know, make it clear that
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Speaker 1: they were not really, uh, There's nothing behind it, right?
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Speaker 1: The university is the mouthpiece in this case on both
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Speaker 1: the offending video and in the response. And sometime yesterday
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Speaker 1: afternoon evening, you get an official letterhead response and apology
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Speaker 1: to Pat McAfee and to ESPN.
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Speaker 2: You get a statement from ESPN.
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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee made his statement on his show. The whole
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Speaker 1: thing gets blown into a grand soap opera proportion for
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Speaker 1: unnecessary reasons. And I think a lot of the fan base, 877-353-0700,
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Speaker 1: I just want you to tell me on the text line,
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Speaker 1: do you think the university should have apologized to Pat McAfee,
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Speaker 1: should have taken this serious tone? The conversation should never
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Speaker 1: have taken this serious tone, but it did, right? So
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Speaker 1: let's live in the reality we're in. Whether I feel
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Speaker 1: like Pat was being way too soft.
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Speaker 2: In his reaction.
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Speaker 1: And whether I feel like ESPN was, you know, kowtowing
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Speaker 1: to him in interpreting it in such a serious manner,
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Speaker 1: I do feel that way. The right thing to do
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Speaker 1: for the University of Utah. From a business standpoint, from
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Speaker 1: a partnership standpoint, from a broadcast friendliness standpoint, from a please, please,
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Speaker 1: please give us good spots in the future, even though
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Speaker 1: you didn't for the Holy war, please bring game day
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Speaker 1: back to campus. The, the only acceptable response for the
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Speaker 1: university of Utah from a business standpoint is to try
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Speaker 1: to smooth this out and make it go away.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I make really poor analogies on this show. I
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Speaker 1: think maybe this is not a poor analogy. I hope
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Speaker 1: it's not all of us. If you've ever been in
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Speaker 1: a relationship of any kind, a friendship, a business partnership,
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Speaker 1: a marriage, a boyfriend, girlfriend, a committed situation, whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: anyone who's been in that situation has been in a
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Speaker 1: spot where you get in an argument over something that
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Speaker 1: is probably pretty insignificant. You don't like the way they
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Speaker 1: empty the dishwasher or, The way that they park their car, whatever, right?
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Speaker 2: They do the laundry the wrong way.
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Speaker 1: All you folks out there who think that you don't
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Speaker 1: have to separate the whites and the colors. I got
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Speaker 1: a pink white shirt that suggests differently, right? But you
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Speaker 1: get in an argument over that. And it escalates and
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Speaker 1: it goes beyond what it ever needed to go, right?
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Speaker 1: And that happened with this, right? And I think it's
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Speaker 1: pretty obvious that one side of the argument escalated this
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Speaker 1: to a place that it did not need to be. Now,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean the other party, the university, was not
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Speaker 1: at fault. Or more specifically, whoever that social media account
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Speaker 1: manager was at fault. Which, by the way....
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Speaker 2: I there's no way for me to confirm this.
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Speaker 1: My hunch is that that person, whoever they are probably lost.
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Speaker 2: Their job, which is not something I root for.
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Speaker 1: Even when it's, you know, a boneheaded mistake, Pat McAfee
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Speaker 1: was mad and Pat McAfee, who's, you know, got hundreds
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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, probably just got somebody making 65
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Speaker 1: K fired. But again, There's nobody who's completely faultless in
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Speaker 1: this situation. If the argument is between the university of
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Speaker 1: Utah and Pat McAfee, I think that one party is
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Speaker 1: very clearly responsible for escalating this well beyond where it
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Speaker 1: needed to go. And we have all been in that situation.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes we are the guilty party. Sometimes it is, you know,
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Speaker 1: the spouse, the significant other, the boss, the whoever, right?
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Speaker 1: And even though you can always make the choice, do
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Speaker 1: I want to be happy or do I want to
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Speaker 1: be right? University of Utah is choosing to be happy.
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Speaker 1: Because you could die on the hill and prove your
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Speaker 1: point that you are right.
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Speaker 2: You really could.
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Speaker 1: The public sentiment is telling you that if you wanted
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Speaker 1: to fight that battle, you are right, quote unquote right.
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Speaker 1: But being right in the public eye doesn't mean that
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Speaker 1: you are in good standing with ESPN. that you are
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Speaker 1: in good standing with one of ESPN's most important personalities
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Speaker 1: so even though you might think it's ridiculous how your
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Speaker 1: spouse or significant other loads the dishwasher and you might
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Speaker 1: have some objective evidence on the fact that they are
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Speaker 1: doing it wrong or you might think that your husband
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Speaker 1: is parks the car the wrong way every single time.
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Speaker 1: And there's a more efficient way to do something. And
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Speaker 1: you might be right, but instead of fighting that fight
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Speaker 1: and dying on that Hill and proving your point, you
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Speaker 1: decide I could be right. Or I could be happy
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Speaker 1: in this case, the university of Utah made a decision.
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Speaker 1: Let's just be happy. Okay. Let's not go out there
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Speaker 1: and let's not pick a fight with ESPN. Let's not
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Speaker 1: pick a fight with Pat McAfee. Let's not pick a
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Speaker 1: fight with the 20% rough estimate of the internet who
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Speaker 1: thinks that Pat McAfee is totally justified in everything that
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Speaker 1: he said in his rant on his show yesterday. Let's
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Speaker 1: just say, even though it would be easy enough in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, in the opinion of one radio host to
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Speaker 1: say like a half apology, like, uh, Hey Pat, uh,
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Speaker 1: maybe a little tone deaf by our social media account,
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Speaker 1: but you know, we love you. And you also know
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Speaker 1: that for college kids saying things you don't like is
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Speaker 1: not representative of an entire university. And also, uh, You're
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Speaker 1: in a position in life where you probably don't need
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Speaker 1: to get so up at arms over the opinions of
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Speaker 1: three or four college kids.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, I said on the show yesterday, I thought
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Speaker 2: it was a really bad look.
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Speaker 1: The gal who ended up kicking the charity kick or whatever,
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Speaker 1: it came off bad, right? It was a bad look. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so you live and you learn. You're a college kid.
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Speaker 1: That sucks.
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Speaker 2: People are talking about you.
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Speaker 1: They're not talking about you.
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Speaker 2: In a positive light.
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Speaker 1: You live and you learn.
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Speaker 4: You move on.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we have the names of those
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Speaker 1: three or four dudes that are in the social media video.
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Speaker 1: One of them does say corny. And that's the only
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Speaker 1: thing that could even be remotely perceived as a true insult,
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Speaker 1: by the way. On his show, Pat mentioned, they hate
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Speaker 1: my guts. Somebody called me creepy. That never happened in
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Speaker 1: the video. So there's some false equivalents being drawn here.
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Speaker 2: And if you're Utah, you can fight that battle.
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Speaker 1: You can, you can play the video over and over
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Speaker 1: again and say, Pat, tell us what made you so upset.
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Speaker 2: Be specific.
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Speaker 1: Was it a 19 year old saying corny when he
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Speaker 1: talked about your bit where you take your shirt off
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Speaker 1: or where you were.
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Speaker 3: Going to say, Houston, we have a problem. There's nothing
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Speaker 3: wrong with that with a kid.
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Speaker 1: Now, if there is a misstep here by the university,
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Speaker 1: it's that you probably edit that out of the video, right?
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Speaker 2: And you probably, to kowtow to the personality.
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Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, you probably only
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Speaker 1: have people saying really happy, nice, positive things about Pat McAfee.
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Speaker 1: I don't know whether whoever edited that video and released
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Speaker 1: that video has an ax to grind with Pat or
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Speaker 1: what they think Pat represents in American culture. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: and I don't care. All right? That person, I'm sure,
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Speaker 1: is facing some very serious consequences, up to and potentially
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Speaker 1: including termination, Pat McAfee spent three minutes on his show
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Speaker 1: talking about how he doesn't like Utah. And guess what
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Speaker 1: it does for Utah? Puts them in the center of
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Speaker 1: a conversation. And BYU fans get to love it. I
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Speaker 1: actually appreciate it. There's been a lot of BYU fans
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Speaker 1: who have expressed their sentiment like, that's kind of relaxed, Pat.
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Speaker 2: They didn't really hurt you. They didn't do anything wrong.
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Speaker 1: And Pat's wild swing into the Charlie Kirk mention, I think,
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Speaker 1: really put a lot of people off. And here's what happens, right?
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Speaker 1: Utah says sorry. Maybe we'll get an acceptance of that
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Speaker 1: apology on the Pat McAfee show today, or maybe there'll
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Speaker 1: be a statement for Pat McAfee. More likely, Pat McAfee
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Speaker 1: will not say a word about it.
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Speaker 2: Do you know why? Because there is no such thing.
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Speaker 1: As bad publicity if you're Pat McAfee. There's none. Pat
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Speaker 1: McAfee gets to live and love in the soap opera space.
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Speaker 1: And whether it's a bad look or a good look
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Speaker 1: for the University of Utah moving forward now, the university
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Speaker 1: made the adult choice to say, you know what?
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Speaker 2: We're sorry.
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Speaker 1: We're sorry for something that we should have technically controlled
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Speaker 1: and didn't control that you felt insulted by.
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Speaker 2: And that's on us. We love you. Please come back effectively.
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Speaker 1: And I got to believe that the decision to do
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Speaker 1: that is made 100%.
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Speaker 2: For business reasons.
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Speaker 1: So my thoughts on it and your thoughts on it,
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Speaker 1: this is why the university is more mature than me.
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Speaker 1: Because you know what I would do in this situation?
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Speaker 1: I would die on this hill personally. I would die
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Speaker 1: on the hill with Pat McAfee. I would. If I
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Speaker 1: were the president of the university, and there's very obvious
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Speaker 1: reasons why I'm not, I'd be like, come on, man, relax.
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Speaker 1: You're a 40-year-old multi-multi-multi-millionaire who gets to live a dream life.
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Speaker 1: You have earned that for yourself. You don't need to
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Speaker 1: be sensitive about something like this. Or probably more realistically,
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Speaker 1: I would, rather than even bothering to make the narrative
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Speaker 1: a direct one, I would just say, fine, right, we'll
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Speaker 1: be the heel. Pat McAfee literally does the WWE thing.
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Speaker 1: He can be the good guy. We will be the
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Speaker 1: heel here. Or since the public sentiment favors Utah for
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Speaker 1: the most part, Pat gets to be the heel here
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Speaker 1: and we get to be the face. Those are you
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Speaker 1: proud of me for using big time WWE wrestling terms?
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Speaker 1: That's what they call those. I mean, the face is
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Speaker 1: the good guy. The heels, the bad guy.
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Speaker 5: I know he'll face is a new one for me.
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Speaker 5: So that even went over my head. So you're good job.
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Speaker 5: Those are, those are real terms, right? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee knows this world. He has made money and
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Speaker 1: fans in that world. If it's me, I probably do
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Speaker 1: it differently than the university is doing it. And I'm
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Speaker 1: okay with them issuing the apology because, like I said,
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Speaker 1: there's been times where I know I have had to
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Speaker 1: say to my wife, even though I'm right, okay, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: I'm correct, nobody in their right mind loads the dishwasher
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Speaker 1: that way. I've had to just say, I'm sorry, you're right,
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Speaker 1: thank you for doing the dishes. And then when she
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Speaker 1: walks away, you reloaded it?
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Speaker 6: Correct.
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Speaker 1: Is that what's going on? better to be happy than
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Speaker 1: to be right in a situation like that i know
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Speaker 1: that my lovely wife has seen me a million times
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Speaker 1: take umbrage with something innocuous and even though she's right
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Speaker 1: she has said okay i'm sorry let's not fight about
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Speaker 1: this let's just move on right because she would rather
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Speaker 1: be happy than right she's better doing that than i
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Speaker 1: am The university as a whole, the administration, the people
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Speaker 1: making these decisions are far more mature and reasonable about
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Speaker 1: this kind of thing than I am. The problem is
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Speaker 1: they're also far more mature and reasonable than the person
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Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the problem. And so whether
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Speaker 1: or not the response will be correct or whether or
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Speaker 1: not the response will be proportionate and in kind, I
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Speaker 1: have my doubts.
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Speaker 2: If there is any umbrage I would take with this,
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Speaker 2: it's that.
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Speaker 1: You're trying to smooth things over, and from a business standpoint,
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Speaker 1: that's absolutely the right thing to do. But what it
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Speaker 1: does not do, and make no mistake, it doesn't. It
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Speaker 1: does not earn the respect and the goodwill.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Matt McAfee... I feel like was more wrong than Utah
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Speaker 1: was in this situation.
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Speaker 2: Pat McAfee wins. I don't like that.
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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee has, excuse me, no reason to respect the
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Speaker 1: university of Utah from like a, you know, an interpersonal
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Speaker 1: standpoint from a business standpoint, this is the respectable decision
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Speaker 1: and it's the one you have to make. But from
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Speaker 1: the Well, let's just agree that, you know, agree to disagree.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on. Let's shake hands and be cool with this.
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Speaker 2: Pat wins.
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Speaker 1: And that's obnoxious.
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Speaker 2: That's annoying. Because he's more wrong than Utah is in
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Speaker 2: this case.
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Speaker 1: Utah, the small correction that needs to be made is
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Speaker 1: you gather the social media team, you say, let's not
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Speaker 1: put this stuff out anymore. When we are welcoming guests
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Speaker 1: to the show, welcoming guests to the campus, let's make
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Speaker 1: sure that anything that we put out from our official
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Speaker 1: accounts is only welcoming and positive and whatever. I mean.
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Speaker 5: That's unfortunately what they're going to have to do from
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Speaker 5: now on for everybody that they welcome onto campus.
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Speaker 1: Campus, whether it's sports or business or whatever.
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Speaker 5: Whether that person has a sense of humor and can
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Speaker 5: take a light roasting, if you will, or not. Whether
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Speaker 5: that person's Charles Barkley or Pat McAfee, to give that
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Speaker 5: analogy right, they're going to have to say, If it
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Speaker 5: has a hint of anything that can be interpreted negatively,
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Speaker 5: we gotta edit it out.
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Speaker 7: And that.
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Speaker 5: Like, that sucks because this kind of content, this, hey,
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Speaker 5: give me an impersonation, it's not even really a roast.
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Speaker 1: It's just... It's just, hey, we're excited.
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Speaker 5: We have identified that we're excited about this person in
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Speaker 5: particular being on campus.
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Speaker 1: They didn't say, give me your Kirk Herbstreet impersonation. Maybe
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Speaker 1: they did, but they didn't publish that. They didn't say, hey,
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Speaker 1: Desmond Howard, do your best, Desmond Howard. He's the centerpiece.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's, as Spence put it yesterday in Crosstalk,
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Speaker 5: and he talked about it later on his show as well,
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Speaker 5: it's flattering to have people impersonate you to mimic you imitation.
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Speaker 5: You know, the, you know, the old line imitation is
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Speaker 5: the sincerest form of flattery. Like that's what this was.
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Speaker 5: It's unfortunate that you can't have that kind of fun
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Speaker 5: anymore with guests that come to the university of Utah
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Speaker 5: because you have, well, this guest in particular, but I'm
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Speaker 5: sure they're going to be like, just don't like, we
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Speaker 5: gotta be way more careful with anybody, but particularly like,
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Speaker 5: Pat is, if we make another Inside the NBA comparison here,
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Speaker 5: Shaq has lightened up a lot more at the beginning.
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Speaker 5: Pat is Shaquille O'Neal at the beginning of when he
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Speaker 5: came on, where he would, he would dish out jokes
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Speaker 5: on Chuck's behalf or at Chuck's expense. And then Chuck would,
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Speaker 5: would shout back at him and he would get in
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Speaker 5: his feelings about it. And it would become a real
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Speaker 5: heated argument. And Chuck can just laugh at it. That's
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Speaker 5: the way it needs to be.
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Speaker 1: I hate to admit this on the air, but I mean, there, there,
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Speaker 1: I have a little Pat McAfee in me where like,
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Speaker 1: The I think I do, too. The relationship that I
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Speaker 1: have with like ribbing, gentle ribbing, sarcasm, humor, friendly humor.
21:55
Speaker 7: Right.
21:55
Speaker 1: Like the love language I have had with my friends
21:58
Speaker 1: for my entire life has been like, if I tease
22:01
Speaker 1: you a little bit, if I make fun of you,
22:03
Speaker 1: I love you. If I never tease you, then I
22:08
Speaker 1: probably just am indifferent towards you at all.
22:09
Speaker 7: Right.
22:10
Speaker 1: But it hurts a little bit when I'm in front
22:12
Speaker 1: of you.
22:13
Speaker 2: I tell you, I'm not as good at taking it
22:15
Speaker 2: as I am at dishing it.
22:16
Speaker 8: Yeah.
22:17
Speaker 4: Right.
22:17
Speaker 1: And sometimes I need to acknowledge that. And I don't,
22:20
Speaker 1: I don't know if Pat McAfee acknowledges that in himself.
22:22
Speaker 1: I kind of don't care. Now I saw on Twitter yesterday,
22:25
Speaker 1: the big part of the conversation was why is he
22:30
Speaker 1: so sensitive? Why is he being so sensitive? Why does
22:33
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee care? And I have that same question, except
22:36
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer. And our guy, Andy Phillips,
22:39
Speaker 1: legendary Utah kicker is listening right now. Who appreciated you
22:42
Speaker 1: thumping for kickers yesterday. Maybe Tom Hackett, maybe Tom Hackett
22:46
Speaker 1: is listening somewhere. Maybe, you know, Mitch Wyschnowski is listening somewhere.
22:49
Speaker 1: Maybe these guys can co-sign with me. I think, I
22:52
Speaker 1: think part of the reason why Pat being Pat, uh,
22:59
Speaker 1: and him having that particular personality trait, thin skinnedness is
23:04
Speaker 1: kind of an obvious outcome here is because Pat McAfee
23:08
Speaker 1: wildly successful as he is incredibly vaunted as a, well,
23:14
Speaker 1: he was good as a player. He was, he was
23:16
Speaker 1: respected for his position as a player. And he was also,
23:19
Speaker 1: you know, successful, made it all the way to the
23:20
Speaker 1: highest level. Everyone throws money at him, and he's been now...
23:26
Speaker 1: He's cashed in on this show he's created like four
23:28
Speaker 1: different times. He's wildly successful. Beyond the wildest dreams of
23:33
Speaker 1: most people in our business of media. So why are
23:36
Speaker 1: you still thin-skinned? I think 100% that comes from him
23:39
Speaker 1: being a kicker. A punter's are people to kind of
23:44
Speaker 1: chip on the shoulder. Because even if you make it
23:47
Speaker 1: all the way to the NFL, even if you become like.
23:52
Speaker 1: Vinatieri or you become Ray guy, or you become Harrison Butker,
23:59
Speaker 1: or you become whoever the best at the position is.
24:02
Speaker 2: Today, right? You're still a kicker. You're still a punter.
24:07
Speaker 1: You're in this locker room where you can be a
24:10
Speaker 1: future hall of famer, but everybody in the building and
24:13
Speaker 1: everybody in the stands and everybody on television, everybody listened
24:17
Speaker 1: to the radio show. views you as like an accessory
24:20
Speaker 1: to rather than something that is like, and we love
24:24
Speaker 1: our punters and kickers in Utah more than most people
24:26
Speaker 1: because special teams saved our behinds in so many games, right?
24:31
Speaker 1: You had all Americans, Louie Sakota, legend, Andy Phillips, legend,
24:36
Speaker 1: Tom Hackett, Mish Wisnowski, all these guys, like you look
24:39
Speaker 1: at them, Matt gay, Matt gay. And, and they have
24:43
Speaker 1: as much respect from this fan base as you could
24:45
Speaker 1: possibly have. but the maximum amount of respect that you
24:49
Speaker 1: can feel as a punter and kicker, even when you
24:52
Speaker 1: go from your career to success, that aside from Tom Brady,
24:58
Speaker 1: nobody in the NFL has, you still have that thing, right?
25:04
Speaker 1: That you were just the punter. You were just the kicker.
25:09
Speaker 1: You were just the guy who sat on the end
25:11
Speaker 1: of the bench and Until you put on your tiny
25:14
Speaker 1: helmet with your weird face mask and you ran out.
25:18
Speaker 1: Pat made a like Ryan Clark at one point was
25:21
Speaker 1: making fun of Pat for not being a real football player,
25:23
Speaker 1: basically on air. And it's the best representation you can
25:28
Speaker 1: find of how sensitive he is. And he goes, okay,
25:32
Speaker 1: you want to talk about who's a football player? How
25:35
Speaker 1: many times have you scored a touchdown? The Ryan Clark's
25:37
Speaker 1: like zero. How many times have you thrown a touchdown
25:39
Speaker 1: pass in the NFL?
25:40
Speaker 7: None.
25:40
Speaker 1: How many times have you caught a pass for a
25:44
Speaker 1: first down in the NFL? And he's like, none. Pat
25:47
Speaker 1: names like 10 different things that are all part of
25:50
Speaker 1: the game of football. It's like Taysom Hill's resume. What
25:53
Speaker 1: has he done? He's done everything. He's like, have you
25:55
Speaker 1: ever made a tackle? You ever made a kick? You
25:57
Speaker 1: ever made a pass? You ever caught a pass? And
26:00
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark.
26:02
Speaker 2: All pro pro bowler.
26:03
Speaker 1: Has to say no to most of them, right? And
26:06
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee goes, I've done every single one of those
26:08
Speaker 1: things in a college football or NFL game.
26:11
Speaker 2: I'm more of a football player than you are.
26:12
Speaker 1: And the room laughs, even though objectively those things are
26:16
Speaker 1: factually true and he's participated and done more football things
26:21
Speaker 1: than even a future hall of fame kind of guy potential, right?
26:28
Speaker 1: People laugh. Because why? Because you're a punter. So there's
26:31
Speaker 1: an insecurity that comes with that. Even though you are
26:34
Speaker 1: more successful than everybody in your sphere, if you're the
26:40
Speaker 1: guy who didn't play the position that gets respected, it's
26:43
Speaker 1: a hard thing to grow out of that insecurity. And
26:46
Speaker 1: I think that we all have to learn that, appreciate that,
26:48
Speaker 1: remember that in some of these situations, but also feel
26:53
Speaker 1: like it's appropriate to push back on it a little bit. Like,
26:56
Speaker 1: are you punching down... When you're getting really upset about
27:02
Speaker 1: college kids making innocuous comments about you, yeah, you are.
27:08
Speaker 1: Is punching down something that you do consistently because it's
27:12
Speaker 1: just part of your personality and maybe it's part of
27:14
Speaker 1: what's made you successful? Well, yeah, maybe that too. At
27:18
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I wanted this beef to escalate.
27:22
Speaker 1: I wanted this to be something that the university leaned into.
27:27
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be something like, yeah, Pat's a
27:29
Speaker 1: BYU guy.
27:31
Speaker 2: We're the Utes.
27:32
Speaker 1: Cause it's, cause it's entertaining and it keeps, it keeps
27:35
Speaker 1: the spotlight somewhat on Utah. Obviously keep it respectful, but
27:39
Speaker 1: like lean into the conversation, get, get Pat McAfee to
27:45
Speaker 1: mention your university on the show. from now until the
27:50
Speaker 1: end of the college football season, 35 more times.
27:53
Speaker 5: And maybe if you do it long enough, maybe he
27:55
Speaker 5: smiles a little bit more about it. And he's like, yeah,
27:57
Speaker 5: this has been a fun little back and forth. Maybe
27:59
Speaker 5: he doesn't, but like, that's, that tends to happen too.
28:02
Speaker 5: As someone who is a lot like you, OC a
28:05
Speaker 5: lot better at addition stuff than taking stuff. Like it
28:10
Speaker 5: wears you down a little bit. Once you're like, Oh, like, Hey,
28:12
Speaker 5: they're just, they're obviously just joking.
28:14
Speaker 1: It's fine.
28:15
Speaker 2: And, and, I interpreted the video that way.
28:18
Speaker 1: I don't pretend that I come at these things from
28:20
Speaker 1: a completely neutral perspective because I assume positive intent from
28:24
Speaker 1: the University of Utah.
28:26
Speaker 2: We know people up there.
28:27
Speaker 1: Again, this was the university itself, their social media account,
28:31
Speaker 1: not athletic department, not Utah football. An important distinction needs
28:35
Speaker 1: to be reminded and drawn there. But at the end
28:38
Speaker 1: of the day, I wanted this to go differently than
28:40
Speaker 1: it did. Instead, it became another one of these 2026
28:47
Speaker 1: Apology situations. Hey, we're sorry that somebody got mildly offended
28:53
Speaker 1: by this.
28:55
Speaker 2: Hey, we're sorry that somebody.
28:57
Speaker 1: Who's got a lot more influence and power than us
29:00
Speaker 1: misinterpreted our intent. And we're not going to question whether
29:05
Speaker 1: or not they should have interpreted it differently. We're not
29:07
Speaker 1: going to question whether or not they're being too thin skinned.
29:10
Speaker 1: where instead of being right, we are going to be happy.
29:15
Speaker 1: And as much as I personally wanted this to become
29:19
Speaker 1: a circus and a WWE entertainment show, the correct thing
29:24
Speaker 1: for the university to do on a business standpoint and
29:28
Speaker 1: on a, we have to maintain our partnership and relationship
29:31
Speaker 1: with ESPN. And we have to hope that college game
29:33
Speaker 1: day comes back next year or comes back in two
29:35
Speaker 1: weeks or comes back at the end of the season.
29:39
Speaker 2: Let's just, take the high road here.
29:42
Speaker 1: Even if we could die on the Hill and we
29:44
Speaker 1: could defend the students and we could defend the social
29:47
Speaker 1: media manager and say, yes, it was a mistake, but
29:50
Speaker 1: it's not something we're going to blow out of proportion.
29:52
Speaker 1: Instead of doing that, let's, let's give this person what
29:57
Speaker 1: they want. And you know what? from an institutional standpoint
30:02
Speaker 1: that probably creates a better outcome. But I promise you this,
30:05
Speaker 1: what it does not do, it does not make Pat
30:08
Speaker 1: McAfee respect you. And I think that's equally as costly,
30:13
Speaker 1: perhaps more costly.
30:14
Speaker 2: For the university in the long run.
30:16
Speaker 1: But again, that's just me. Those are my views. That
30:21
Speaker 1: is not representative of the Utah athletic department. That is
30:24
Speaker 1: not representative of Utah football. That's not representative of ESPN
30:27
Speaker 1: 700 either. That is just me. Telling you, I would
30:31
Speaker 1: have done the thing where you probably die on the
30:33
Speaker 1: hill and instead of being happy, you're being right.
30:38
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not the university president. I think that's
30:41
Speaker 2: the only.
30:42
Speaker 1: Reason, actually.
30:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the only reason. You have all the other credentials.
30:46
Speaker 5: You have a business degree.
30:49
Speaker 1: Correct. That's why I'm able to recognize... The strategy, but
30:56
Speaker 1: not implement the strategy. It's just a piece of paper.
30:59
Speaker 1: Just a piece of paper. Okay, this is from 6602.
31:05
Speaker 1: I think the university crossed the line accusing him of
31:07
Speaker 1: being creepy by taking his shirt off. They never said
31:09
Speaker 1: he was creepy. Go watch the video. Just go watch
31:14
Speaker 1: the video. This is an important thing in today's society.
31:18
Speaker 1: Pat said that on his show. They called me creepy.
31:22
Speaker 1: We watched the video. No one used that word. Now,
31:26
Speaker 1: in the comments, people might have said, yes, it's creepy, yes,
31:29
Speaker 1: it's cringe, yes, it's whatever. The video did not say that. Now,
31:33
Speaker 1: should the video have been out there? Should the video
31:35
Speaker 1: have existed from the university's official account? Probably not. But
31:41
Speaker 1: what we're asking for now is perfection from every institution
31:45
Speaker 1: and every, like, you're never supposed to do anything weird
31:48
Speaker 1: or unadvisable. I mean, in this case, it got, this
31:53
Speaker 1: is the hard lesson for everyone up there on the
31:56
Speaker 1: Hill to learn. This is a hard lesson for me
31:57
Speaker 1: as someone who's, you know, attached unofficially to learn that like,
32:03
Speaker 1: if you do anything remotely close to wrong, when college
32:07
Speaker 1: game day is involved, they're going to make you pay
32:10
Speaker 1: for it. And you're going to have to bend the
32:12
Speaker 1: knee and kiss the ring. And that is a hard
32:16
Speaker 1: thing for some people like me. Now, for some people,
32:20
Speaker 1: it's easy, and those people are probably a lot more
32:21
Speaker 1: successful than I am. But for me, that's a difficult
32:25
Speaker 1: thing to do. I am not naturally humble, and I
32:29
Speaker 1: need to be, but I'm not. I don't like the
32:32
Speaker 1: way this is played out, but I understand that the
32:36
Speaker 1: university decided, I don't need to be right.
32:39
Speaker 2: I do need to be happy.
32:41
Speaker 1: And that means keeping ESPN and, by extension, weirdly enough,
32:44
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee happy. Keep your reactions coming in, 877-353-0700. Gordy
32:52
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33:07
Speaker 9: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
33:10
Speaker 9: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
33:14
Speaker 9: NBA than any of us will ever know.
33:15
Speaker 1: It's like they're crazy.
33:17
Speaker 4: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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33:19
Speaker 10: Our list today.
33:21
Speaker 9: Here's OC with basketball savant Gordy Chiesa on the Sean
33:25
Speaker 9: O'Connell Show.
33:32
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. We talk a
33:34
Speaker 1: little basketball with Gordy Chiesa. Brought to you by our
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Speaker 1: looking for a skylight, they're the ones to call. Gordy,
33:43
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. How are you, sir?
33:47
Speaker 11: Well, thank you.
33:48
Speaker 1: Gordy, we were just talking about the way that this
33:51
Speaker 1: whole Pat McAfee Utah situation got blown out of proportion,
33:55
Speaker 1: and the university decides to issue an apology, and they've
33:58
Speaker 1: decided that instead of being right, they're going to be happy.
34:01
Speaker 1: We've all done this in a relationship at work, potentially,
34:05
Speaker 1: where you say, you know what? Even if I want
34:08
Speaker 1: to die on this hill, I recognize that I'm not
34:10
Speaker 1: going to. It's not going to be a good outcome
34:12
Speaker 1: for me. So I'm just going to apologize so we
34:15
Speaker 1: can move on. I imagine you had a situation like
34:18
Speaker 1: this or two with players, coaches in the NBA.
34:21
Speaker 2: Can you give me an example of one maybe?
34:24
Speaker 11: As a coach, you pick your battles to fight with
34:27
Speaker 11: individual players, especially the star players. Because in the NBA,
34:30
Speaker 11: the star players, you need them to perform in the
34:33
Speaker 11: fourth quarter. So just generally speaking, Sean, every coach goes
34:38
Speaker 11: through it, or management or organization. And so a good
34:42
Speaker 11: question is, you have to make a decision. Is it
34:46
Speaker 11: worth going all out against some sort of questionable situation,
34:52
Speaker 11: or do you take a step back to go 10 forward?
34:54
Speaker 11: And that's absolutely everybody does it in professional sports. And also, Sean,
34:58
Speaker 11: in most businesses, that's successful.
35:01
Speaker 1: All right, now let's get to this Utah Jazz team.
35:04
Speaker 1: Off to a slow start so far this season. And,
35:07
Speaker 1: you know, it started with some rebounding issues and there's
35:10
Speaker 1: some turnover issues. And I'm not sure how you fix
35:15
Speaker 1: these issues, but that's why we have you. You're the expert.
35:18
Speaker 1: What's going on with this Utah Jazz team? One and
35:20
Speaker 1: four so far. One and three so far, excuse me.
35:23
Speaker 11: One and three so far. And, well, the biggest thing
35:26
Speaker 11: right now is their defense is still– Absolutely, they have
35:31
Speaker 11: to be better. They're allowing 121 points per game. It
35:34
Speaker 11: puts them at 22nd in the NBA. So they've got
35:37
Speaker 11: to improve that. The Jazz three-point shooting defense, they're allowing 27.
35:42
Speaker 11: They're allowing 39.6% from three-point shooting versus their defense, which
35:49
Speaker 11: makes them at 27. And ironically, Sean, tomorrow night's game
35:53
Speaker 11: when the Jazz play the Spurs, the Spurs are the
35:55
Speaker 11: worst team in the NBA guarding the three-point line. So
36:00
Speaker 11: both teams are struggling to guard the three. And the
36:02
Speaker 11: reason why, just simply speaking, is that you're getting beat
36:07
Speaker 11: at the point of attack on ball as far as penetration.
36:11
Speaker 11: And just generally speaking, that you're closing out to the
36:14
Speaker 11: corner three or the arc three way too late. And
36:18
Speaker 11: so there's lateness and there's also what? Lack of ball containment,
36:22
Speaker 11: as always. That is the absolute root of what's going
36:26
Speaker 11: on right now as far as the Jazz thought of
36:29
Speaker 11: being a one and two. Now, add to this. Last
36:31
Speaker 11: night's game, Sean, Jazz competed hard. Yes, they did. However,
36:36
Speaker 11: is that... During the game, the evolution during the game
36:40
Speaker 11: was that the Grizzlies bench, they really outplayed the Jazz
36:44
Speaker 11: bench dramatically. So everybody in the Grizzlies basketball off the
36:49
Speaker 11: bench scored four points or more. And the Jazz flip
36:52
Speaker 11: side of that is that Kyle Filipowski, Steve Mihailuk, and
36:56
Speaker 11: Joshua Koji, all those guys, they went 0 for 11 shooting.
37:01
Speaker 11: And so the Jazz have no chance of winning if
37:03
Speaker 11: those guys can't make a basket. And that was the
37:06
Speaker 11: margin of difference right now. Even though, again, the question,
37:10
Speaker 11: as always, for Jazz fans, there's no more moral victories.
37:13
Speaker 11: You did play hard, and that's commendable. But it's a
37:16
Speaker 11: home game. You're playing against the Grizzlies, who I know
37:20
Speaker 11: that beat the Jazz– of six days earlier, but these
37:24
Speaker 11: are games you have to win. Both teams are playing
37:26
Speaker 11: a back-to-back. Jazz played on Sunday. The Grizzlies played on
37:29
Speaker 11: Sunday versus at Sacramento. So it's a winnable game and
37:34
Speaker 11: a fortunate Jazz lost.
37:36
Speaker 1: One of the questions I had when the season started
37:39
Speaker 1: is now that the appropriate measure is to move forward
37:42
Speaker 1: with a full-strength team, not to over-inflate injuries, not to
37:46
Speaker 1: give people extra time off. to, you know, help with
37:50
Speaker 1: the tanking effort. You got to get guys on the
37:52
Speaker 1: floor as often as you can. You got to get
37:54
Speaker 1: guys on the floor for as long as you can.
37:56
Speaker 1: You got to get the most out of Lowry marketing
37:58
Speaker 1: and trade Jay and everyone else that you can. And
38:02
Speaker 1: we're four games in Gordy and Lowry marketing exited in
38:05
Speaker 1: the first quarter. Jaron Jackson jr. Exited in the second quarter.
38:09
Speaker 1: I don't know the severity of those injuries. I think
38:10
Speaker 1: we're still waiting more on details, but can this Utah
38:13
Speaker 1: jazz team stay healthy now that they want to stay healthy?
38:18
Speaker 11: Yes, they can. Now, with that said, though, is that
38:21
Speaker 11: with Larry Marketing, it was a right wrist injury. So
38:24
Speaker 11: it's absolutely important because that's a shooting wrist. And with
38:28
Speaker 11: Jaron Jackson, it was a right knee injury. And so
38:31
Speaker 11: we'll see what the MRI says today. The Jets will
38:34
Speaker 11: know more of what's going on. All right, so now
38:36
Speaker 11: the question is always this, Sean. Just like in the NFL, attrition.
38:40
Speaker 11: Who's going to step into those roles and play well?
38:43
Speaker 11: Last night was Mo Bamba. Mo Bamba, that guy came
38:46
Speaker 11: in the game. And the energy on the boards and
38:49
Speaker 11: the lane, he created so much havoc. And he scored
38:53
Speaker 11: 14 points, seven rebounds, and four blocks. And that was good.
38:56
Speaker 11: Josh Green hounded and pounded Ty Jerome, who scored 45
39:01
Speaker 11: points against the Jazz six days ago. Now, last night,
39:04
Speaker 11: Jerome goes 4-15 because of menace on defense of Josh Green.
39:09
Speaker 11: So the question, as always, is who's going to step
39:12
Speaker 11: in those games and play? I think Ace Bailey is
39:16
Speaker 11: playing well. For a guy that's 20 years old, Ace
39:19
Speaker 11: Bailey last night had some good moments. He had 17 points,
39:25
Speaker 11: 10 rebounds, and three blocks, and they're playing almost, Sean,
39:29
Speaker 11: as like a stretch, almost like a stretch three, a
39:33
Speaker 11: stretch four. And it's been commendable with him what he's done.
39:38
Speaker 11: Darren Peterson. I'm asking this question, Sean, every minute of
39:40
Speaker 11: the day when I'm on the street is that people
39:42
Speaker 11: are asking me about Darren Peterson. Let's not forget, he's
39:45
Speaker 11: only 19 years old. He's struggling right now shooting only
39:48
Speaker 11: 36% from the field and 33% from three. But you
39:54
Speaker 11: get the feeling what? They're all makeable shots, so he
39:57
Speaker 11: will be fine. As always, in the NBA, just like
40:00
Speaker 11: in the NFL, you've got to be able to score points.
40:04
Speaker 11: In the NBA, you also have to be able to what?
40:07
Speaker 6: Defend.
40:08
Speaker 11: And it all starts on the rim and also the
40:11
Speaker 11: three-point line. And that's when the Jets right now are struggling.
40:17
Speaker 1: We're still very, very early. Who else is catching your
40:19
Speaker 1: attention around the association, Gordy?
40:23
Speaker 11: The Rockets, Sean. The Rockets, they got Freddie Van Fleet back.
40:27
Speaker 11: And so he's having seven assists a game, and it
40:31
Speaker 11: gives them this steady influence. The Rockets, again, they are
40:35
Speaker 11: a good team. They got knocked out in the playoffs
40:38
Speaker 11: by the Lakers, and it set them back on their heels.
40:42
Speaker 11: But they have a good talent level. Obviously, we have
40:45
Speaker 11: Kevin Durant, and you have Amon Thompson, one of the
40:47
Speaker 11: best two-way players in the NBA. And Alperon Chagoon. And
40:52
Speaker 11: what makes the Rockets so interesting to me is that
40:55
Speaker 11: they're second in the NBA as far as shooting overall. Again,
40:58
Speaker 11: you get a point guard that's pass happy, that's steady.
41:03
Speaker 11: So the Rockets right now are second in the NBA shooting, 50.9
41:06
Speaker 11: from the field. Ironically, the Lakers are number one. And
41:10
Speaker 11: we saw the Lakers here on Sunday, what the Lakers
41:12
Speaker 11: do when they move that ball. So that is really
41:15
Speaker 11: good for the NBA. So now the Thunder, with some
41:19
Speaker 11: of their main guys being injured, the Thunder are still 4-0.
41:23
Speaker 11: I find this fascinating. So the Rockets, Thunder, and the Grizzlies,
41:27
Speaker 11: so the Grizzlies, the upcoming team, the Thunder are an
41:31
Speaker 11: elite team. The Rockets want to be an elite team.
41:33
Speaker 11: They're 4-0. So I find that very interesting. At the
41:38
Speaker 11: Eastern Conference right now, Nick Obakis, who would have thought
41:41
Speaker 11: that the Knicks and the Nets have the same record 0-3?
41:46
Speaker 11: And so with the Knicks right now, Jalen Brunson has
41:49
Speaker 11: said himself he's blaming the Nick Obakis slow start at
41:56
Speaker 11: 0-3 on him. Jalen Brunson, who we all like and
42:00
Speaker 11: enjoy watching him play, he's only shooting from the field 39.1
42:03
Speaker 11: and 26.7 from threes. So that's what I've been watching
42:09
Speaker 11: right now. So the Spurs are somewhat struggling and the
42:13
Speaker 11: Knicks are struggling. And by the way, it seems to me,
42:16
Speaker 11: we all remember that was the NBA finals last year.
42:20
Speaker 11: So there's some sort of really mental fatigue, even though
42:25
Speaker 11: you say it's not. It is when there's two teams
42:27
Speaker 11: come out of right now with a slow start.
42:32
Speaker 1: You make a great point, Gordy. The Nuggets have one win.
42:35
Speaker 1: The Warriors have one win. The Spurs have one win.
42:39
Speaker 1: So it's not time to panic about the fact that
42:41
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz only have one win. But when do
42:44
Speaker 1: teams really start to pay attention as you're getting a
42:46
Speaker 1: season rolling and you're trying to make sure that you're
42:51
Speaker 1: off to the right start and that you're not digging
42:53
Speaker 1: a hole for yourself? How many games into a season,
42:56
Speaker 1: if things aren't going well, do you have to start
43:00
Speaker 1: raising an eyebrow internally?
43:02
Speaker 11: 20 games. That's the benchmark, 20 games. So sometime in
43:08
Speaker 11: December or so. So that's when you really see your
43:13
Speaker 11: team as far as how you are. And that's when
43:17
Speaker 11: you have to reassess really internally without any emotion about, hey,
43:22
Speaker 11: we thought that so-and-so was going to play better and
43:25
Speaker 11: he is not. Or, hey, it's really surprising that... Our
43:30
Speaker 11: concern was, say, a three-point shooting, and our team is
43:33
Speaker 11: shooting for the blanks or rebounding. And that's what you
43:36
Speaker 11: have to do. You have to internally analyze your team
43:40
Speaker 11: to make adjustments and get ready to possibly make an
43:45
Speaker 11: early trade or the trading deadline in February. What are
43:49
Speaker 11: you going to do? So you want to be totally honest.
43:52
Speaker 11: You don't want to overreact. or underreact, but you want
43:56
Speaker 11: to see what your record is. Because, again, as always,
43:59
Speaker 11: your record is who you are at that moment.
44:04
Speaker 1: What's the list today, Gordy?
44:06
Speaker 11: All right, Sean. This past Sunday, Luka Doncic, they call
44:13
Speaker 11: it Luka Magic, he had the 52-point performance against the Jazz.
44:17
Speaker 11: And he was absolutely spectacular, him and his sidekick, Austin Reeves.
44:21
Speaker 11: And when I was watching him play during that game,
44:24
Speaker 11: he really had it rolling. So my list today is
44:27
Speaker 11: the NBA career leaders in the most 50-point games or
44:31
Speaker 11: more career-wise. So look at that. He's the first one
44:35
Speaker 11: this year of getting 50 points in the NBA game.
44:38
Speaker 11: Here's some of the attributes of a dominant point producer. One,
44:42
Speaker 11: you need more skills. Two, range shooting touch. Three, interior presence,
44:48
Speaker 11: either driving or posting. Four, being a foul generator, three-throw
44:53
Speaker 11: line resonant. Five, passing and screening teammates as far as
44:59
Speaker 11: on the floor. So you get 50 points in a game,
45:03
Speaker 11: your passing and screening teammates have helped you. And the
45:06
Speaker 11: last point about this, the sixth thing you need is what?
45:08
Speaker 11: You have to have an alpha dog personality, supreme confidence
45:12
Speaker 11: as a baller. So just think about what Luka did
45:15
Speaker 11: on Sunday, and just the list right now, it'd be
45:19
Speaker 11: a quick list as far as these people have that personality.
45:23
Speaker 11: All right, 13th of all time with nine games of
45:29
Speaker 11: 50 points or more are Kevin Durant and Giannis. Tied
45:33
Speaker 11: for 11th all time is Luka Doncic with 10 and
45:38
Speaker 11: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. 10th all-time at most 50-point games career-wise, Allen
45:45
Speaker 11: Iverson at 11. Tied for 8th all-time. LeBron James and
45:50
Speaker 11: Rick Barry with 14 50-point masterpiece. Tied for 6th all-time.
45:59
Speaker 11: Steph Curry and Dame Lillard, two knockdown shooters. They did
46:03
Speaker 11: it 15 times. Tied for fifth all-time at the most
46:06
Speaker 11: ever 50-point career games. Elgin Baylor with 17. Tied number
46:12
Speaker 11: three all-time. Kobe Bryant and James Harden They did it
46:16
Speaker 11: 25 times. The second most ever 50-point game performances is
46:22
Speaker 11: Michael Jordan with 31. And the number one player of
46:26
Speaker 11: all time, the most ever 50-point games, Sean, it probably
46:30
Speaker 11: will never be broken. It's Will Chamberlain. He did it
46:35
Speaker 11: 118 times of 50 points or more games. Jazz basketball,
46:39
Speaker 11: the leader is Adrian Dantley. He did it six times.
46:42
Speaker 11: Karl Malone and Pete Maveridge did it four times. So, Sean,
46:46
Speaker 11: Will Chamberlain scored 50 points or more in an NBA
46:49
Speaker 11: game 118 times.
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Speaker 1: It's an insane, insane number.
46:54
Speaker 11: So, Luka's got 10, and it's commendable. Will's got 118 times.
47:02
Speaker 8: Wow.
47:03
Speaker 1: I wish we could have seen him.
47:05
Speaker 11: Oh, I saw him, and he did it with step-back jumpers,
47:10
Speaker 11: unbelievable dunks, running the floor, and also he had this
47:14
Speaker 11: finger roll where he looked to the baseline, come back
47:18
Speaker 11: middle with the ball, and finger roll to the basket
47:21
Speaker 11: against all these shot blockers. Remember, he jumped so high
47:24
Speaker 11: on that finger roll, it's hard to block his shot.
47:27
Speaker 1: Gordy, you're the man.
47:28
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time.
47:30
Speaker 6: Thanks, Sean. Peace out.
47:31
Speaker 7: Stay well.
47:34
Speaker 1: If AI and cloning and robotics at some point don't
47:38
Speaker 1: give us like a crude facsimile reincarnation of Wilt Chamberlain,
47:45
Speaker 1: I'm going to be disappointed with all of our technological advances.
47:49
Speaker 1: When you hear some of the numbers that that guy
47:51
Speaker 1: was able to put up, it just makes you wish
47:53
Speaker 1: you could see him in a modern NBA. All right,
47:57
Speaker 1: we'll close out our number one. We still have red
47:59
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48:33
Speaker 1: The college football coaching carousel has begun its spin this
48:38
Speaker 1: last weekend.
48:38
Speaker 2: Dave Aranda, former Utah state Aggie coach.
48:43
Speaker 1: He was a defensive coordinator with Gary Anderson up there
48:46
Speaker 1: for several years. He has been fired as the head
48:49
Speaker 1: coach of Baylor and the list of interesting candidates for
48:53
Speaker 1: Baylor is fascinating for the in-state connections as well. First
48:59
Speaker 1: of all, I mean, the number one name on people's
49:02
Speaker 1: minds is Lincoln Riley from USC. There's a lot of
49:06
Speaker 1: conversation back and forth about whether or not Baylor would
49:09
Speaker 1: be willing to pay the necessary price tag for a
49:11
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley buyout and whether or not Lincoln Riley would
49:15
Speaker 1: rather coach at Baylor or just go into TV and
49:19
Speaker 1: not coach. Apparently Baylor is looking for someone that has
49:22
Speaker 1: Texas ties and Texas roots. And it feels like that's
49:25
Speaker 1: maybe more important with the Texas schools than it is
49:28
Speaker 1: with anyone else in college football these days. I mean,
49:30
Speaker 1: the recruiting landscape is very nationalized, um, I don't know
49:35
Speaker 1: if that's even the right way to say that, but
49:37
Speaker 1: everyone can recruit everywhere now at a certain level. Texas, though,
49:41
Speaker 1: is still kind of a unique animal from the high
49:45
Speaker 1: school football culture standpoint, and if you're somebody who knows it,
49:48
Speaker 1: lived it, maybe came up in it, you are going
49:51
Speaker 1: to have some advantages. If you're connected to these guys
49:54
Speaker 1: and you're, in his case, a lot of the guys
49:57
Speaker 1: that he grew up with are high school coaches, small
50:01
Speaker 1: college coaches, coordinators at the other universities, things like that.
50:05
Speaker 1: So a return to Oklahoma, Texas, South Central United States
50:10
Speaker 1: would make sense for Lincoln Riley potentially.
50:14
Speaker 2: Baylor, hire him, please. I would love for Utah to
50:18
Speaker 2: only have to.
50:18
Speaker 1: Deal with the Baylor that forever will be an offensive
50:22
Speaker 1: team only. That would be fantastic. The other angle with this,
50:27
Speaker 1: and not that we.
50:29
Speaker 5: Root for this to happen, but it would probably be
50:33
Speaker 5: helpful to University of Utah if you do root for
50:36
Speaker 5: the Utes. We've said if and when Lincoln Riley gets
50:41
Speaker 5: fired or leaves USC for any other reason, one of
50:43
Speaker 5: the first people they're probably calling is Kalani Satake.
50:46
Speaker 1: 100%.
50:47
Speaker 2: That is 100% the case.
50:49
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no question that that would happen if BYU
50:54
Speaker 1: continues to be as successful as I think they're going
50:57
Speaker 1: to be.
50:57
Speaker 2: The rest of the year.
50:58
Speaker 1: I think they got one more loss on their schedule.
51:01
Speaker 1: You know what I'm going to say? That is, but
51:03
Speaker 1: you know, Kalani and if you're going to get them
51:06
Speaker 1: away from BYU, well, there's, you know, the, I think,
51:11
Speaker 1: I think there's resolution now. I think that the waters
51:14
Speaker 1: have calmed around he and Brian Santiago, not seeing eye
51:17
Speaker 1: to eye. I think BYU has done its best to
51:19
Speaker 1: smooth that over. But also if you're USC, do you
51:25
Speaker 1: have the money to be like, we're going to fire
51:28
Speaker 1: you Lincoln Riley. And if Baylor's not going to hire
51:31
Speaker 1: you and there's no offset language in your contract, can
51:34
Speaker 1: we afford it? That, that is, I can't believe we
51:36
Speaker 1: have to ask that question for like USC, but USC
51:40
Speaker 1: is spending $ 50 million or it's 40 something, 40 something
51:43
Speaker 1: million dollars on their roster. They're going to pay an
51:46
Speaker 1: extra 55 to 70 to get rid of Lincoln Riley.
51:49
Speaker 1: It's hard.
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Speaker 5: Will Ferrell and Snoop can't just come together and pay
51:54
Speaker 5: the buyout. Like, Speaker 2.
51:58
Speaker 7: Come on.
51:58
Speaker 2: Well, if we'll fare, we'll have to do elf too.
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Speaker 1: If that's the case, he's already turned down like $ 30
52:04
Speaker 1: million to do it. Anchorman three, Jason Eck from New Mexico.
52:10
Speaker 1: Interesting name to potentially replace him. Speaker 0 5.
52:13
Speaker 5: Done a good job, done a good job replacing Bronco
52:16
Speaker 5: down there.
52:16
Speaker 1: Then a phenomenal job.
52:17
Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Former Utah offensive coordinator, Dan Mullen. He's currently at UNLV,
52:23
Speaker 1: his name being mentioned.
52:25
Speaker 5: Uh, have you also seen that RG three's name has
52:29
Speaker 5: been mentioned?
52:31
Speaker 1: I love RG three. I think there's a lot of
52:33
Speaker 1: people who don't, I'm a big RG three fan.
52:36
Speaker 2: Uh, RG three.
52:40
Speaker 1: Here's what we've learned. Okay. If you want to put
52:43
Speaker 1: a guy who's never coached before into the college football ranks,
52:48
Speaker 1: absolutely do that as a position coach. No problem. As
52:53
Speaker 1: a maybe a head coach for a very small school.
52:57
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like, uh, FCS, FCS, HBC. Like
53:02
Speaker 1: there's a lot of those HBCUs. They've done that.
53:05
Speaker 5: A lot of them have, I mean, and Deon Sanders.
53:08
Speaker 5: that long ago, for example, he had a lot of success,
53:11
Speaker 5: Jackson state. I mean, Michael Vick did it right.
53:14
Speaker 1: If, if Michael Vick can do it, then so can
53:17
Speaker 1: they didn't Deshaun Jackson do it.
53:19
Speaker 2: Like there's a bunch of guys.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
53:20
Speaker 5: I think Deshaun Jackson is Eddie George is still coaching
53:24
Speaker 5: Tennessee state.
53:25
Speaker 1: So yes, lower level.
53:27
Speaker 5: And this you make a good point. This isn't the
53:29
Speaker 5: NBA where J.J. Redick can go from podcasting and broadcasting
53:34
Speaker 5: to being the head coach of the Lakers and have
53:36
Speaker 5: and do pretty good. I don't think he's been fantastic,
53:39
Speaker 5: but do well enough because he's able to hire a
53:42
Speaker 5: bunch of former head coaches as his assistants. I suppose
53:45
Speaker 5: you could do something like that in college football, but
53:48
Speaker 5: it doesn't it's not quite as plug and play as
53:50
Speaker 5: we've seen in the NBA.
53:54
Speaker 2: Those are the names with local connections.
53:56
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen.
53:57
Speaker 2: I love Dan Mullen.
53:57
Speaker 1: So I, Dan Mullen in power football again, be sweet.
54:01
Speaker 1: Would be interesting having to deal with him. I think
54:04
Speaker 1: he's a good coach. He's a good recruiter. There's some
54:07
Speaker 1: resources at Baylor. There's some money. We don't ever talk
54:10
Speaker 1: about it because of the Texas tech thing, by the way,
54:12
Speaker 1: the trouble in paradise around Texas tech right now, we'll
54:15
Speaker 1: get to it in the daily dump.
54:17
Speaker 2: It is just chef's kiss. You think that the.
54:18
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee soap opera is interesting, but If we were
54:22
Speaker 1: in Texas, Pat wouldn't even be on the radar. We'd
54:25
Speaker 1: be talking all about Cody Campbell feuding with a local
54:28
Speaker 1: radio station there. How about that? We'll get to that
54:31
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54:34
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54:36
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54:39
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55:02
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56:11
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56:14
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56:20
Speaker 1: All right. So how are we feeling? How's the BYU
56:23
Speaker 1: fan base feeling right now after a surprise loss to UCF?
56:29
Speaker 7: I missed the game.
56:30
Speaker 9: What happened?
56:31
Speaker 1: Are you curious?
56:32
Speaker 7: No.
56:33
Speaker 9: Yeah.
56:33
Speaker 7: That was what's funny. It was, I had to leave
56:35
Speaker 7: the watch party at my own house with people to
56:37
Speaker 7: go call the BYU Arizona state women's volleyball match on
56:41
Speaker 7: ESPN plus. And I was like watching it on the
56:42
Speaker 7: road and I'm seeing tweets before my stream is live
56:45
Speaker 7: and I'm like, Oh, I blocked the field goal. Oh,
56:47
Speaker 7: it's roughing. Oh, it's wait, roughing the gut. What's going on?
56:51
Speaker 7: Fourth and goal stand is crazy, right? That was just
56:54
Speaker 7: a crazy finish. That game certainly disappointed with the letdown
56:59
Speaker 7: following a top 10 win. And oddly enough, the last
57:02
Speaker 7: three top 10, when, when you always had the next
57:05
Speaker 7: FBS game they had, they they've lost. Now two of
57:08
Speaker 7: the last three were against ranked teams on the road
57:11
Speaker 7: with Washington and Oregon. But yeah, it's just, it's just
57:13
Speaker 7: a bummer. Cause we only had, you know, perhaps it's
57:15
Speaker 7: greatest win ever. fans that irrational were saying, Oh, I'll
57:23
Speaker 7: be always going to drop out of the top 10.
57:24
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
57:26
Speaker 7: There's, there's respect for what BYU is and who they beaten.
57:29
Speaker 7: So yeah, they stay at eight, they dropped six, the
57:32
Speaker 7: most of anybody in the poll, you know? And now
57:35
Speaker 7: they have, they played their Mulligan card already of the
57:38
Speaker 7: great win. So now you've got to compete and you've
57:40
Speaker 7: got to win out if you want to make the
57:41
Speaker 7: big 12 title game. And if you don't, And you
57:44
Speaker 7: happen to have a loss on there. Like you're not
57:46
Speaker 7: going to make the big 12 title game and you're
57:48
Speaker 7: going to hope to be an at-large and certainly the
57:50
Speaker 7: Notre Dame game is a good win, but every game
57:52
Speaker 7: is huge. You know, when, when you're vying for the
57:54
Speaker 7: playoff and there's a lot of parody in college football,
57:57
Speaker 7: that's good for BYU. That's good for Utah as well.
57:59
Speaker 7: So it's going to be interesting. And then of course
58:02
Speaker 7: the big games coming up next week, which by the way,
58:04
Speaker 7: I'm getting ready for BYU, Utah women's volleyball Friday night.
58:07
Speaker 7: I'm calling that game. It should be, it should be
58:10
Speaker 7: a fun one. You know, Utah and BYU and volleyball
58:13
Speaker 7: is competitive as well.
58:13
Speaker 1: Speaker 2, yeah, that'll be a good one. Are you
58:17
Speaker 1: surprised how it happened against UCF? Was there something in the,
58:21
Speaker 1: cause I mean, look, Yes, even a team as good
58:25
Speaker 1: as BYU is vulnerable when you're on the road, coming
58:27
Speaker 1: off an emotional win like Notre Dame, but were you
58:31
Speaker 1: surprised at how it actually happened with Keon Jenkins passing
58:35
Speaker 1: for almost 300 yards and three touchdowns?
58:38
Speaker 7: Add it to the list of, you know, backups that
58:40
Speaker 7: have somehow beaten BYU. It just, it's a weird list. Like,
58:44
Speaker 7: I feel like it may have started with Brett Ratliff
58:47
Speaker 7: back in the day. That was like a weird one.
58:51
Speaker 1: We remember that.
58:52
Speaker 7: Yeah, I, yeah, I'm sure you do. Do I make
58:56
Speaker 7: you one Jenkins look really good. And don't get me wrong.
58:59
Speaker 7: Dude's a good player. Like they, they had flirted with
59:03
Speaker 7: ranked teams. And so it wasn't like BYU was you know,
59:07
Speaker 7: and Spencer and I had said on, on our show, like, Hey,
59:10
Speaker 7: UCF let down game, like just so you know, there's
59:13
Speaker 7: that element. And they, they led Houston 17, nothing. They
59:16
Speaker 7: were in the game with Oklahoma state late at 21,
59:19
Speaker 7: 21 and the third early fourth, like they flirted, but
59:21
Speaker 7: not finished against good teams. And now they, they finished,
59:25
Speaker 7: you know, against BYU.
59:26
Speaker 1: And got the win.
59:27
Speaker 7: And so, yeah, certainly disappointing. I just thought the BYU
59:30
Speaker 7: defense would handle this better. They did not tackle. Well,
59:33
Speaker 7: there were a couple of plays there where BYU did
59:35
Speaker 7: not wrap up. There's a third and 17 where they
59:37
Speaker 7: throw a screen. That's a white flag that they're going
59:40
Speaker 7: to pump. They throw a spring. You just get them
59:42
Speaker 7: for seven yards, they kick and midfield. And then you
59:45
Speaker 7: go from there. No, they, they get way down the field.
59:47
Speaker 7: They don't wrap up. They score again. If you only
59:49
Speaker 7: had a chance for the half to, you know, score
59:52
Speaker 7: and then get the ball back and score again and
59:54
Speaker 7: kind of, you know, you don't want to give a
59:57
Speaker 7: team hope like that. You don't want to make it weird.
59:58
Speaker 7: And it got weird. And even in overtime, you know,
1:00:01
Speaker 7: I'll be able to get to stop. And then there's
1:00:02
Speaker 7: a roughing the kicker, a lot of debate around that call,
1:00:05
Speaker 7: but I don't point around like one play. And I
1:00:08
Speaker 7: respect what Notre Dame did was they didn't complain about
1:00:10
Speaker 7: like the last play holding or one second. They said, well,
1:00:12
Speaker 7: we should have, you know, we kind of got beat
1:00:14
Speaker 7: during the game here. You got beat during the game. And,
1:00:17
Speaker 7: and over time had chances, you know? So yeah, it's,
1:00:20
Speaker 7: it's disappointing. I, I didn't think that was going to
1:00:23
Speaker 7: run the table. Certainly after Notre Dame, you get excited
1:00:25
Speaker 7: and you think, well, Hey, maybe, but college football is
1:00:29
Speaker 7: shown this year. It's hard to do that. You know,
1:00:32
Speaker 7: Miami winning at Notre Dame is they run the table.
1:00:34
Speaker 7: That'd be wild. Like I doubt we have a, an
1:00:37
Speaker 7: undefeated team. It's just really hard. And so, yeah, the,
1:00:41
Speaker 7: the way BYU lost was disappointing. You know, I, I
1:00:44
Speaker 7: didn't feel like BYU missed LJ Martin against Notre Dame.
1:00:47
Speaker 7: I really felt it last week, just their ability to
1:00:49
Speaker 7: move the chains. They kind of ran for only what
1:00:51
Speaker 7: they walked for. See, you know, see when a mole
1:00:55
Speaker 7: was back, but he doesn't quite have the kind of
1:00:57
Speaker 7: lateral movement quite yet coming off.
1:00:59
Speaker 8: A knee injury.
1:01:00
Speaker 7: Preston Rex got hurt. If you had a couple of injuries,
1:01:02
Speaker 7: by the way, Kyle's far choke banged up, Evan Johnson,
1:01:04
Speaker 7: not going to play this week. cornerback. So you're always
1:01:08
Speaker 7: a little banged up, still up, no algae, mine's still
1:01:09
Speaker 7: no Andrew Gentry. So trying to, trying to get healthy.
1:01:12
Speaker 7: And you know, those guys are all hopefully targeting next week.
1:01:15
Speaker 7: Cause that's the biggest game in the history of the rivalry.
1:01:18
Speaker 7: I know BYU plays ASU this week, but there's, there's
1:01:21
Speaker 7: never been a top 15 BYU tugging and it could
1:01:23
Speaker 7: be top 10 very easily.
1:01:25
Speaker 1: Okay. I want to go back to the end of
1:01:27
Speaker 1: game scenario here, because I think you're right that the
1:01:29
Speaker 1: correct thing to do is when you lose on a
1:01:32
Speaker 1: one play flag or no flag, right? You got to
1:01:35
Speaker 1: remember that there were 75 other plays that you could
1:01:38
Speaker 1: have won the game on.
1:01:39
Speaker 7: Totally.
1:01:40
Speaker 1: But also.
1:01:42
Speaker 2: It's really hard to win.
1:01:43
Speaker 1: Like you also said in that last answer, it's very
1:01:46
Speaker 1: difficult to win. So expecting Notre Dame or BYU or
1:01:50
Speaker 1: UCF or anybody to be like, oh, well, we can survive,
1:01:54
Speaker 1: you know, malpractice by the referees. because it didn't come
1:01:57
Speaker 1: down to that one play. It's like, no, they're supposed
1:02:00
Speaker 1: to do their job too. Yeah. In a perfect world,
1:02:03
Speaker 1: you're so good that every game's a two score win.
1:02:06
Speaker 1: And even when the referees, you know, give an unnecessary
1:02:09
Speaker 1: flag or take an unnecessary flag away, like.
1:02:14
Speaker 2: You still should be able to survive that fine, but
1:02:17
Speaker 2: it's hard to win.
1:02:18
Speaker 1: So I really was bothered by the end of game
1:02:20
Speaker 1: scenario with UCF and BYU, because I thought that they
1:02:25
Speaker 1: screwed up. with the, the end of game scenario, the
1:02:28
Speaker 1: 10 second runoff, the helping helmet being ripped off, whether
1:02:33
Speaker 1: that's a face mask or not flag, you know, then
1:02:35
Speaker 1: the 10 second runoff, they admitted again, after the fact,
1:02:38
Speaker 1: it's like with the Notre Dame game, that that was
1:02:40
Speaker 1: not adjudicated properly. And then the roughing was very clearly
1:02:44
Speaker 1: a makeup call for me.
1:02:46
Speaker 2: It's like, all right.
1:02:47
Speaker 1: So you acknowledge that you screwed up and that, you know,
1:02:50
Speaker 1: you owe UCF something. So instead of, allowing BYU to
1:02:56
Speaker 1: make a play, which is one of the most like
1:02:59
Speaker 1: difficult plays to make in college football, a blocked field
1:03:03
Speaker 1: goal or kick attempt. Now you're going to do like
1:03:05
Speaker 1: a ticky tack roughing. And it felt like a makeup
1:03:08
Speaker 1: call to me. And I, I don't like that. I
1:03:10
Speaker 1: don't like when, you know, two wrongs in that case,
1:03:13
Speaker 1: don't make a right for me. So I just, I
1:03:16
Speaker 1: have a really a huge problem with the way that
1:03:19
Speaker 1: in several games this year, and it happens at BYU
1:03:21
Speaker 1: has been involved in two of them. several games this year,
1:03:24
Speaker 1: college football officiating, they've kind of said, oh yeah, whoops, sorry.
1:03:27
Speaker 1: We screwed that up. It's like these kids deserve better.
1:03:32
Speaker 11: Yeah.
1:03:33
Speaker 7: And, and there was a lot happening there for sure. I,
1:03:36
Speaker 7: I just personally am one that's like, Hey, if there's
1:03:38
Speaker 7: something that I did that I control, I'm going to
1:03:40
Speaker 7: own that. And, and I think BYU did a good
1:03:42
Speaker 7: job of like, we should play better early in the game.
1:03:44
Speaker 7: They didn't complain about, you know, the roughing, the, the
1:03:47
Speaker 7: kicker call and listen, BYU made.
1:03:50
Speaker 1: They kind of did Kalani Kalani the question did because
1:03:53
Speaker 1: that's what you should do as a.
1:03:55
Speaker 7: Coach sure sure it's okay to question it but they
1:03:57
Speaker 7: didn't like linger on it and make it ever all
1:03:59
Speaker 7: about that their entire personality after the game right it's
1:04:02
Speaker 7: like you know what we should have tackled better you
1:04:04
Speaker 7: know and BYU got a fourth and goal stand like
1:04:07
Speaker 7: that was incredible and Justin Kirkland down there pointing at
1:04:10
Speaker 7: the bottom which was hilarious. He told me, I realized
1:04:13
Speaker 7: there were a bunch of dudes on top of me.
1:04:14
Speaker 7: I couldn't get up for a minute. So I just
1:04:16
Speaker 7: decided I was going to aura farm this and yeah,
1:04:19
Speaker 7: Fox cut to him and it was really funny, but yeah,
1:04:22
Speaker 7: then BYU gets the ball, but then they kind of
1:04:24
Speaker 7: play it conservatively. And that's just kind of how they've,
1:04:27
Speaker 7: they are in those moments. They didn't want to risk
1:04:29
Speaker 7: it more than they wanted to try and push it
1:04:31
Speaker 7: and see. And so there were a bunch of moments,
1:04:34
Speaker 7: but I'm with, I'm with you. Could it have been
1:04:36
Speaker 7: officiated better? Yes. But could be why you have controlled
1:04:39
Speaker 7: certain elements of that game much earlier?
1:04:41
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Speaker 0 7, Jeremy Jordan is our guest little
1:04:44
Speaker 1: red and blue here on the Sean O'Connell show brought
1:04:47
Speaker 1: to you by our friends at Murdoch Ford, Santa Quinn.
1:04:50
Speaker 2: So I I'm coming on the show on a Monday morning.
1:04:54
Speaker 1: Fired up, excited about Utah's big win over Houston on
1:04:58
Speaker 1: Saturday night, the college game day situation worked out. The
1:05:01
Speaker 1: blackout was fun. It was, you know, big play made
1:05:05
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, defense forces a turnover.
1:05:08
Speaker 1: And I wanted the whole show to be about that.
1:05:10
Speaker 1: And at about, I don't know, 10, 15 AM, 11,
1:05:13
Speaker 1: 15 AM we get, oh, by the way, 10 AM
1:05:18
Speaker 1: is when the holy war is going to kick off.
1:05:19
Speaker 1: And then of course, everyone is like, what? No, ruined
1:05:23
Speaker 1: the whole show yesterday, Jerem, but.
1:05:27
Speaker 7: Couldn't even sit in it and celebrate.
1:05:28
Speaker 6: Come on.
1:05:29
Speaker 2: It was just like, can we talk Houston for a while, please?
1:05:32
Speaker 1: But 10 a.m. kickoff for the Holy war. What do
1:05:35
Speaker 1: you make of it?
1:05:37
Speaker 7: Not my favorite. I don't love it. You know, I
1:05:39
Speaker 7: love the buildup all day. I love what these two
1:05:41
Speaker 7: teams have created in terms of owning the late night kicks.
1:05:45
Speaker 7: Let's be honest in the mountain time zone and the
1:05:48
Speaker 7: Pacific time zone, you got to have teams that are interesting.
1:05:51
Speaker 7: And if Oregon or Washington or Utah or UCLA or
1:05:54
Speaker 7: BYU are available USC, like you, you need those games
1:05:59
Speaker 7: at night for the country. They want four TV windows
1:06:02
Speaker 7: like this, that works. And I know Mark Carlin has
1:06:05
Speaker 7: not been a huge fan of the eight for teams,
1:06:06
Speaker 7: BYU put originally I hated the eight 15 when BYU
1:06:09
Speaker 7: was independent. Cause they weren't always getting good games at
1:06:12
Speaker 7: those times. So it's like, really, we have to watch
1:06:14
Speaker 7: this random game, you know, at eight 15 BYU and Utah,
1:06:17
Speaker 7: I feel like have for the most part embrace the, Hey,
1:06:21
Speaker 7: we own the night. We own this window. Like we're
1:06:23
Speaker 7: getting a good number because back East, yes, it's late,
1:06:26
Speaker 7: but people know, Hey, that's and you're engaged. And so
1:06:35
Speaker 7: to flip that on its head and have it at
1:06:37
Speaker 7: 10 a.m. and have just, you start the day, boom,
1:06:39
Speaker 7: you're right into it. There is value in going right
1:06:42
Speaker 7: from game day into ABC or ESPN. Like the handoff
1:06:45
Speaker 7: is kind of nice. I think the number will be good.
1:06:47
Speaker 7: I think the country will be interested no matter what
1:06:49
Speaker 7: time this game was played. But ideally, this game would
1:06:53
Speaker 7: have been at, you know, 1.30 or 5.30 or frankly,
1:06:55
Speaker 7: even 8.15. If it was that late, it's my least
1:06:58
Speaker 7: favorite time for a game. I prefer watching kind of
1:07:02
Speaker 7: the big 10 at that time or whatever. But in
1:07:05
Speaker 7: the end, it is what it is. It's BLU top.
1:07:08
Speaker 7: Once the game kicks, no one's going to care what
1:07:10
Speaker 7: time it was. But yeah, if I had my pick,
1:07:12
Speaker 7: I would have put it probably at like five or six.
1:07:14
Speaker 1: Speaker 0 7, Does it change the game at all?
1:07:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like the idea and part of
1:07:20
Speaker 1: the pushback from fans is just like, oh, we're going
1:07:23
Speaker 1: to play better at night. I'm like, dude, it's the
1:07:25
Speaker 1: holy war. play, play when you're going to play. It's
1:07:29
Speaker 1: everyone is going to be massively up for this game.
1:07:32
Speaker 1: Do you think that it changes the actual game at all?
1:07:36
Speaker 7: I think maybe just for the fans, like just because,
1:07:39
Speaker 7: you know, we, we'd all get, you know, and I
1:07:42
Speaker 7: don't speak for everyone, but how lathered up is everyone
1:07:45
Speaker 7: at 10 AM, whether that's emotionally or, or with certain
1:07:49
Speaker 7: certain drink, you know, at that point of the day,
1:07:51
Speaker 7: like what's that going to be like for this game?
1:07:54
Speaker 7: And then, you know, I, I think back to like
1:07:57
Speaker 7: BYU has not beaten Utah by, by 10 plus since 96.
1:08:02
Speaker 7: And that's the last time I can remember this game
1:08:04
Speaker 7: being early like this. And so it's part of me
1:08:06
Speaker 7: as a BYU guy that loves that vibe, you know,
1:08:09
Speaker 7: BYU ran for 300 yards in 96 with a great
1:08:11
Speaker 7: team and had success. I don't see that happening this year,
1:08:14
Speaker 7: but certainly I like the energy from sort of remembering
1:08:16
Speaker 7: that historically, but yeah, it's going to be interesting. There've
1:08:19
Speaker 7: been day games over the years back when, you know,
1:08:22
Speaker 7: your game wasn't, you know, TV wasn't, it was a
1:08:25
Speaker 7: big deal, but it wasn't as big of a deal.
1:08:27
Speaker 7: Like one of the greatest games ever played in this rivalry,
1:08:29
Speaker 7: you know, some of them were on random channels, the
1:08:32
Speaker 7: mountain or versus or whatever. Like it just kind of
1:08:35
Speaker 7: doesn't matter that just when they kick off the, the
1:08:38
Speaker 7: focus is on that in that moment. So I don't,
1:08:41
Speaker 7: I don't think it actually UA fans are going to
1:08:48
Speaker 7: be watching Notre Dame and rooting big time for them
1:08:50
Speaker 7: against Miami that day, because if Notre Dame beats Miami, that,
1:08:54
Speaker 7: that really helps you always play off chances.
1:08:56
Speaker 1: So I I'm split right down the middle on this thing,
1:09:00
Speaker 1: because I think the correct approach for both teams and
1:09:04
Speaker 1: it's how the players and the coaches are going to
1:09:06
Speaker 1: process it. But I think it should be the fan base.
1:09:09
Speaker 1: I think you should want this game. You should say,
1:09:12
Speaker 1: we'll meet you in a parking lot at 3 a.m.
1:09:15
Speaker 1: and play this game, and it's still going to be
1:09:17
Speaker 1: the best event of the year. I want everyone to
1:09:20
Speaker 1: have that mentality about it. I also understand that there's
1:09:22
Speaker 1: a reality that you have to live in. For the
1:09:25
Speaker 1: universities and for the Big 12 Conference especially, they want
1:09:30
Speaker 1: a game like this to have a national television window,
1:09:34
Speaker 1: and ABC or ESPN at 10 a.m., The big noon
1:09:39
Speaker 1: kickoff slot, whatever. That's good. That's a place where a
1:09:43
Speaker 1: lot of people are supposed to watch your game. Should
1:09:46
Speaker 1: I be caring if people watch the game? This is
1:09:49
Speaker 1: our game. Nobody's ever going to understand it. I want
1:09:52
Speaker 1: them to appreciate it, but no one's ever going to
1:09:54
Speaker 1: understand it or care about it like we do and
1:09:57
Speaker 1: like they do about Ohio State, Michigan or USC, Notre
1:10:01
Speaker 1: Dame or whatever. It's too late.
1:10:03
Speaker 2: You're not going to catch up.
1:10:06
Speaker 1: Catering to a national audience, I think It bothers me
1:10:09
Speaker 1: a little bit, even while I acknowledge that it's good
1:10:12
Speaker 1: for exposure for the universities and for the conference.
1:10:16
Speaker 7: And my understanding of how this works is the league
1:10:20
Speaker 7: can sort of submit what they want, but it's the
1:10:22
Speaker 7: TV networks that actually pick.
1:10:23
Speaker 1: 100%.
1:10:24
Speaker 7: Who, who has the, who has the first pick that week?
1:10:27
Speaker 7: And obviously ABC ESPN, they wanted it because it's the
1:10:30
Speaker 7: last two weeks. Fox was like, we want BYU at
1:10:33
Speaker 7: one 30 in the afternoon. And they got them, you know,
1:10:36
Speaker 7: last week with UCF and then this week, Arizona state,
1:10:38
Speaker 7: same crew, Connor onion and RG three, by the way.
1:10:41
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's, it's the country will be interested in
1:10:45
Speaker 7: this though, because assuming both teams went out, went out
1:10:49
Speaker 7: this week on that'll be interesting emotionally for that one
1:10:56
Speaker 7: is it's not the story three bowl. So who knows,
1:10:58
Speaker 7: but I I'm interested to see kind of what nationally
1:11:02
Speaker 7: yet the reception is. Cause you're right. This is our game.
1:11:05
Speaker 7: The beehives say we love, like this is the biggest
1:11:07
Speaker 7: sporting event and stay every year. I, even if the
1:11:10
Speaker 7: jazz maker make the playoffs, win a first round, you know,
1:11:14
Speaker 7: mammoth go to the second round or make a run.
1:11:16
Speaker 7: Like this is the, the event in the, in the state.
1:11:19
Speaker 7: We love our pro sports, but what we really love
1:11:22
Speaker 7: is BYU versus Utah. And so the fact that they're
1:11:25
Speaker 7: going to both, both going to be in the top
1:11:28
Speaker 7: 10 matchup for the first time. And the stage is
1:11:31
Speaker 7: so big and bright. Like this is the most Epic
1:11:34
Speaker 7: version of this game we will have ever had. And
1:11:36
Speaker 7: hopefully it has an Epic finish because we've had so
1:11:38
Speaker 7: many historically with this matchup.
1:11:40
Speaker 1: Speaker 0 7, All right. Tell me, tell me the
1:11:44
Speaker 1: official BYU sports nation, Jerem Jordan opinion on the Utah
1:11:49
Speaker 1: versus Pat McAfee soap opera.
1:11:53
Speaker 9: Okay.
1:11:53
Speaker 7: I do think he's being a little dramatic. I, I,
1:11:58
Speaker 7: and I do think that on the heels of being
1:12:00
Speaker 7: at BYU and how sort of positive that was for
1:12:03
Speaker 7: him and everybody. that any sort of resistance was met
1:12:09
Speaker 7: with maybe an exaggeration there. Cause I saw the video
1:12:11
Speaker 7: and I didn't think it was crazy, you know? And
1:12:14
Speaker 7: when he mentioned a certain event that took place in Rome,
1:12:16
Speaker 7: I thought that was out of pocket personally. But if he, like,
1:12:20
Speaker 7: if he feels unsafe, that's up to him. But I
1:12:22
Speaker 7: was like, but, but, where was there, there wasn't a
1:12:26
Speaker 7: physical threat there. So in my personal opinion, I thought
1:12:29
Speaker 7: it was a little much for, for, for the reaction.
1:12:33
Speaker 7: He's entitled to feel how he wants to feel. But
1:12:34
Speaker 7: me personally, I was like, Oh, he's, he's feeling pretty
1:12:38
Speaker 7: deep about this right now. I'm not sure why.
1:12:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that that sums it up well for me.
1:12:44
Speaker 1: I don't need to add anything there, but we're not
1:12:49
Speaker 1: going to get game day again for the Holy war, right?
1:12:52
Speaker 7: No, no. I didn't see when they came for Houston,
1:12:54
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, there goes, there goes the whole
1:12:56
Speaker 7: war game. I, I was hoping you.
1:12:58
Speaker 6: Would be there.
1:12:59
Speaker 7: I thought that would be cool. So yeah, I don't
1:13:01
Speaker 7: think we'd get anything. They're probably going to Notre Dame.
1:13:03
Speaker 7: Let's be honest. Notre Dame is going to be big time.
1:13:07
Speaker 2: So you already alluded to this.
1:13:09
Speaker 1: You think that you think that Utah survives against Cincinnati
1:13:13
Speaker 1: and sets up that game as Utah undefeated BYU one loss.
1:13:40
Speaker 7: You know, BYU made
1:13:46
Speaker 7: it weird and unfortunately lost. And so it's certainly one,
1:13:49
Speaker 7: one to watch with Cincinnati and, and French has played
1:13:52
Speaker 7: well and, and you know, tab has a great game
1:13:55
Speaker 7: rushing the ball. So yeah, it'll be, it'll be interesting.
1:13:57
Speaker 7: Cincinnati has been interesting this year.
1:14:00
Speaker 1: So yeah.
1:14:00
Speaker 7: And then it's tough for Utah as well at Arizona.
1:14:03
Speaker 7: The week after BYU is really sneaky. Like the only
1:14:06
Speaker 7: loss for Arizona is one at BYU. That's a lone
1:14:09
Speaker 7: loss and it's on the road. So this is an
1:14:12
Speaker 7: interesting three game stretch certainly for, for Utah.
1:14:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:14:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly is.
1:14:17
Speaker 1: The rest of the conference, we saw Texas Tech lose
1:14:21
Speaker 1: for the first time this last week. You already talked
1:14:23
Speaker 1: about that with Cincinnati being the team that beats them.
1:14:26
Speaker 1: BYU now one loss. It's still crowded at the top,
1:14:31
Speaker 1: but it's now Utah slightly ahead, and then BYU and
1:14:36
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, and.
1:14:37
Speaker 2: How good is Arizona, like you just mentioned?
1:14:40
Speaker 1: So handicap the rest of the conference for me behind
1:14:43
Speaker 1: Utah right now.
1:14:45
Speaker 7: I don't think texts, you know, going to lose again.
1:14:48
Speaker 7: I think that went out. We'll see their options kind
1:14:51
Speaker 7: of sounded a little bit, although the setback last week
1:14:53
Speaker 7: makes you wonder, but their, their defense struggled, which is
1:14:56
Speaker 7: a surprise. Utah controlled some destiny. Although this three game
1:14:59
Speaker 7: stretch is tough. Arizona can play. They can play spoiler
1:15:03
Speaker 7: here a bit because they're a team that is experienced
1:15:07
Speaker 7: and motivated and they play Texas tech this week. They
1:15:10
Speaker 7: play Utah in a couple of weeks. BYU certainly to
1:15:13
Speaker 7: me at this point, and it has the easiest path
1:15:16
Speaker 7: to the end of the game at Utah, certainly very tough,
1:15:18
Speaker 7: but Arizona state Baylor at Kansas Cincinnati, you know, that's there's,
1:15:23
Speaker 7: there's a, you know, hopefully a bunch of wins in
1:15:25
Speaker 7: there for BYU. So it's going to be interesting. I
1:15:27
Speaker 7: think whoever's in the big 12 title game is a
1:15:29
Speaker 7: zero or one last team. I think if you lose twice,
1:15:31
Speaker 7: you're totally out there. Tiebreakers will probably come into play.
1:15:35
Speaker 7: And frankly, BYU is in a position because of the
1:15:39
Speaker 7: Notre Dame game. They don't, they don't have to make
1:15:41
Speaker 7: the big 12 title game to get an at-large potentially
1:15:43
Speaker 7: depending on how things shake out. You know, if you
1:15:47
Speaker 7: lose to Utah and it's competitive, but they win the
1:15:49
Speaker 7: rest of the games and they're 10 and two and
1:15:51
Speaker 7: Notre Dame beats Miami and BYU doesn't go to the
1:15:53
Speaker 7: big total title game. I feel way better about BYU's
1:15:56
Speaker 7: chances than the last two years. if Notre Dame actually
1:16:00
Speaker 7: beats Miami. Now, if Notre Dame doesn't be Miami, oh boy,
1:16:03
Speaker 7: but they might be out again at 10 and two,
1:16:05
Speaker 7: because who will they have beaten? And if they kind
1:16:08
Speaker 7: of stay in the top 10, top 12, they're automatically
1:16:11
Speaker 7: in for the top 12. So we'll see, man, like the,
1:16:15
Speaker 7: the league could get two bids in very easily. It's if,
1:16:18
Speaker 7: if Utah ran the table or at one loss, they
1:16:21
Speaker 7: feel like they're probably going to be in, you know,
1:16:24
Speaker 7: can tech still get in? Can somebody else surprise them
1:16:28
Speaker 7: and get to the big title game and get the
1:16:29
Speaker 7: auto bid. And then BYU and Utah or Texas tech
1:16:31
Speaker 7: are in, I think there's still a chance for multi
1:16:34
Speaker 7: bids here. Now three feels like a lot, but there's
1:16:36
Speaker 7: still a chance. There's so much parody, man. It's pretty crazy.
1:16:40
Speaker 7: And it just thinks there's so many teams in the league.
1:16:42
Speaker 7: Although I love the BYU in the league because with
1:16:46
Speaker 7: just tiebreakers and unbalanced schedules, it's just difficult to manage.
1:16:49
Speaker 7: No one asked for this. I am glad you're always
1:16:52
Speaker 7: in the big 12, but it's going to be weird
1:16:54
Speaker 7: at the end. We had this a couple of years
1:16:55
Speaker 7: ago with BYU and tiebreakers and they didn't get it.
1:16:59
Speaker 1: I haven't looked yet to see what the possibility of
1:17:02
Speaker 1: two holy war games is, depending on how things play out. Like,
1:17:05
Speaker 1: is it right? That'd be weird. Like where you have Utah, BYU,
1:17:09
Speaker 1: and then Utah, BYU again in Arlington. That would be weird.
1:17:14
Speaker 7: What I wish, what I wish we could do, we're
1:17:16
Speaker 7: going to 2014 playoffs. So it's going to be like that. like, okay,
1:17:22
Speaker 7: the four of you were playing two semis and then
1:17:25
Speaker 7: the championship game. And then you, you know what? We
1:17:27
Speaker 7: know that these teams are going or whatever, if it
1:17:29
Speaker 7: was a shorter, I guess, smaller playoff, maybe that'd work,
1:17:33
Speaker 7: but there is a chance, right? I there's all kinds
1:17:36
Speaker 7: of tiebreakers. I'm not the guy that loves looking at those.
1:17:39
Speaker 7: Although I did find a website where you can manipulate
1:17:42
Speaker 7: every game and then it will tell you, well, this
1:17:44
Speaker 7: team wins on this tiebreaker. I'm like, thank you. I
1:17:46
Speaker 7: just need this automated in this AI era. I don't
1:17:48
Speaker 7: want to be looking up tiebreakers.
1:17:51
Speaker 1: Don't tell me the website because I'll spend way too
1:17:53
Speaker 1: much time trying to figure out.
1:17:55
Speaker 7: I will text you.
1:17:58
Speaker 1: Oh, fine.
1:17:59
Speaker 2: Uh, Jim, appreciate your perspective.
1:18:02
Speaker 1: Uh, next week when you join us, there will be
1:18:05
Speaker 1: open hostility, but right now I appreciate you very much.
1:18:10
Speaker 4: I cannot wait.
1:18:11
Speaker 7: It's going to be the biggest BYU tugging ever.
1:18:15
Speaker 2: That's pretty awesome. And we've been saying that a lot.
1:18:17
Speaker 1: We've been, we've been like doing the hyperbole thing with
1:18:19
Speaker 1: these games, but this one, I think it's true.
1:18:22
Speaker 7: Speaker 4, literally will be. Yeah. We never had top
1:18:25
Speaker 7: of team. Well, you know, the closest was the way
1:18:27
Speaker 7: I think it was what eight versus 16.
1:18:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:18:31
Speaker 7: So can't wait. We all did when we went home safely.
1:18:37
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that.
1:18:39
Speaker 7: All right. We'll talk. Was the RVs that had the
1:18:41
Speaker 7: turnovers thing? Were they the ones in Salt Lake?
1:18:44
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:18:44
Speaker 7: I was like, Oh man.
1:18:45
Speaker 1: Oh, all right. We'll talk next week. Thanks, Jim. Have
1:18:50
Speaker 1: a good call on Friday.
1:18:52
Speaker 7: Thank you. Thank you.
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1:19:13
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1:19:43
Speaker 1: Tech and their owner, effectively, Cody Campbell? He's upset. We'll
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1:20:41
Speaker 1: lasted 12 hours, got squashed. University of Utah issued a
1:20:47
Speaker 1: public apology to Pat McAfee. McAfee, unsurprisingly, as far as
1:20:52
Speaker 1: I know, not responded. I don't think it's necessary that
1:20:57
Speaker 1: he does, but anyway, a little soap opera going on
1:21:00
Speaker 1: in similar fashion with Cody Campbell, who is famous for
1:21:05
Speaker 1: one thing and one thing only. And that is being
1:21:06
Speaker 1: a billionaire oil Baron who used to play football at
1:21:10
Speaker 1: Texas tech and decided that he wanted to deploy his, uh,
1:21:14
Speaker 1: riches to make Texas tech, a more relevant football team.
1:21:19
Speaker 1: He has bankrolled the entire athletic department effectively at, uh,
1:21:24
Speaker 1: Texas tech university. Now there's, there's a radio station in Lubbock, Texas.
1:21:33
Speaker 2: Called a double.
1:21:36
Speaker 1: T 97.3 Lubbock sports tech Lubbock sports station flagship for
1:21:42
Speaker 1: Texas tech sports. So double T 97.3 is ESPN 92.1, right?
1:21:46
Speaker 1: The flagship home They also are an affiliate for the
1:21:54
Speaker 1: Rangers and the Cowboys. They've got a morning drive live show.
1:21:59
Speaker 1: They've got an afternoon drive live show. They do national
1:22:01
Speaker 1: programming in the middle of the day.
1:22:03
Speaker 7: All right.
1:22:06
Speaker 1: They are local Homer radio, just like we are. And
1:22:11
Speaker 1: one of their producers who I think is probably, he
1:22:15
Speaker 1: has literally 238 followers.
1:22:17
Speaker 12: Okay.
1:22:17
Speaker 2: He's a, He's a young kid. By his face, I
1:22:23
Speaker 2: would say.
1:22:23
Speaker 1: He's between 20 and 25 years of age.
1:22:27
Speaker 2: All right?
1:22:28
Speaker 1: So just barely cutting his teeth in the business. Cody Campbell,
1:22:35
Speaker 1: after Texas Tech lost this last weekend to Cincinnati, he tweeted,
1:22:41
Speaker 1: there's no excuse or reason to lose a game like this.
1:22:44
Speaker 1: We have to be better. This kid....
1:22:50
Speaker 2: To 238 followers in response. Uh, by the way, one,
1:22:58
Speaker 2: one of.
1:22:59
Speaker 3: One point, one of 1600 different comments on this post
1:23:05
Speaker 3: on this tweet on this X post by the number
1:23:09
Speaker 3: of followers, I'd say that he, I am the, I
1:23:12
Speaker 3: am him of this, uh, radio station of the, of
1:23:15
Speaker 3: the home with the youth.
1:23:16
Speaker 1: So you're a little bit more firmly established in your
1:23:18
Speaker 1: career than he is. He's, He's just like, you can't
1:23:21
Speaker 1: even grow a beard. This kid. All right.
1:23:23
Speaker 2: But he said on him, he, he tweeted in response.
1:23:27
Speaker 11: One of.
1:23:28
Speaker 1: The 1600 comments is from this kid for the sake
1:23:32
Speaker 1: of the program and fan base. Just stop talking. Please
1:23:35
Speaker 1: stop tweeting Cody Campbell. They don't like what he has
1:23:39
Speaker 1: to say. They do like that. He spends his money
1:23:41
Speaker 1: on the program. Again, when you're wildly successful, you become polarizing.
1:23:48
Speaker 1: When you're somebody who people, some people in Lubbock, Texas
1:23:51
Speaker 1: think that Cody Campbell should not be able to walk
1:23:54
Speaker 1: on the field during games, should not be able to
1:23:57
Speaker 1: just because he has all that money, exercise a bunch
1:24:00
Speaker 1: of power and influence over Texas tech football, basketball, softball, whatever.
1:24:05
Speaker 5: We'll let you shop at one of the targets. You
1:24:07
Speaker 5: can't shop at both. And here's the thing I like.
1:24:12
Speaker 1: We all get jealous of these people who have more power, influence,
1:24:16
Speaker 1: and money than us. I think that's where a lot
1:24:18
Speaker 1: of this stuff is rooted. I don't know enough about
1:24:20
Speaker 1: whether or not Cody Campbell's a nice guy or not
1:24:22
Speaker 1: to say whether he deserves the criticism that he gets,
1:24:25
Speaker 1: but this is from a kid who's got no followers.
1:24:30
Speaker 1: The only reason that it even made any like waves
1:24:33
Speaker 1: with Cody Campbell at all is probably because the kids
1:24:36
Speaker 1: got a headset on in his avatar picture. So he
1:24:40
Speaker 1: works for the Texas tech flagship. Is that what you're saying?
1:24:43
Speaker 2: He's a producer for the station.
1:24:45
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:24:46
Speaker 2: He, but he's like a part-time producer for the station.
1:24:49
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:24:49
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:24:49
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:24:50
Speaker 1: Cody Campbell is responds to that kid's tweet asking him
1:24:54
Speaker 1: not to talk. Cody Campbell says, how about for the
1:24:57
Speaker 1: sake of the program, in quotes, using the kid's own words,
1:25:01
Speaker 1: everybody at Texas Tech tagging the athletic department stops talking
1:25:06
Speaker 1: and doing interviews on Double T 97.3. Ooh, burn. And
1:25:14
Speaker 1: then says, tags the senior associate A.D., For Texas tech
1:25:22
Speaker 1: university at the same tweet and says, let's discuss.
1:25:25
Speaker 2: So Cody Campbell.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: Gets told to shut up basically by a producer on
1:25:34
Speaker 1: the flagship home unwise tweet by this kid and says, Hey,
1:25:38
Speaker 1: how about Texas tech doesn't do interviews on your radio
1:25:41
Speaker 1: station anymore. And I could tell you as a flagship
1:25:43
Speaker 1: home of the Utes, that would be fairly devastating for
1:25:47
Speaker 1: a flagship station to have a the program owner effectively, right? If, uh,
1:25:56
Speaker 1: expense Eccles said, Hey, you know what I want? I
1:26:00
Speaker 1: want nobody to go on ESPN 700. from Utah football,
1:26:05
Speaker 1: Utah basketball, Utah gymnastics, Utah baseball. We'd be like, what? No,
1:26:09
Speaker 1: please don't do that. Please. Please don't do that. We're
1:26:12
Speaker 1: the home of the youth. We always try to emphasize
1:26:14
Speaker 1: the Eccles when we say rice Eccles. Okay. Like we
1:26:18
Speaker 1: love you. So Cody Campbell is, is not happy that
1:26:22
Speaker 1: this kid tweeted at him and went after him. And
1:26:25
Speaker 1: that is, that is definitely punching down by Cody Campbell.
1:26:30
Speaker 2: Theme of the show today.
1:26:31
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:26:35
Speaker 1: Cody Campbell is like, here's the thing. He played for
1:26:40
Speaker 1: Texas tech. He was on the team.
1:26:42
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:26:43
Speaker 1: So he's not only financially invested, he's emotionally invested and
1:26:49
Speaker 1: The tweets that he sends sometimes are from X player,
1:26:53
Speaker 1: Cody Campbell. They're not from billionaire businessman, Cody Campbell. He's
1:26:56
Speaker 1: not good at separating those two things. And Texas tech
1:26:59
Speaker 1: has to be grateful that he's not good at separating
1:27:01
Speaker 1: those two things. Because if he was, he'd be like
1:27:04
Speaker 1: a lot of the rich people that, you know, they're like, Hey,
1:27:06
Speaker 1: you're going to donate to your Alma mater's NIL program.
1:27:09
Speaker 1: And they're just like, no, how do you think I
1:27:11
Speaker 1: got rich by wasting money?
1:27:13
Speaker 7: No.
1:27:14
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of people who could give a
1:27:17
Speaker 1: chunk of change to BYU, to Utah, to Utah state.
1:27:21
Speaker 1: And they're just like, yeah, probably not. The guy who
1:27:24
Speaker 1: owns our building could make Bronco Mendenhall's life a lot easier.
1:27:31
Speaker 1: Shout out to Deloitte.
1:27:32
Speaker 2: Deloitte doesn't do that.
1:27:33
Speaker 1: Cash Valley.
1:27:34
Speaker 5: I don't know if he lives up there still, but
1:27:37
Speaker 5: he grew up at cash Valley.
1:27:39
Speaker 2: I mean, it's, they're not, you don't have to do it.
1:27:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:27:42
Speaker 12: Right.
1:27:43
Speaker 1: No, no universities entitled to the money that they're, that
1:27:48
Speaker 1: their alumni have earned. Cody Campbell has thrown a bunch
1:27:51
Speaker 1: of money at Texas tech and he's emotional about it.
1:27:55
Speaker 1: And then his kids just like, please stop talking about
1:27:57
Speaker 1: the program. Stop tweeting. And he's like, Hey, how about
1:28:00
Speaker 1: I burn down your life kid? It's like, Oh no,
1:28:03
Speaker 1: don't do that.
1:28:12
Speaker 1: I would say, and two
1:28:13
Speaker 1: things can be true at once. I would say.
1:28:18
Speaker 5: Maybe think that, but don't tweet that to this producer
1:28:22
Speaker 5: at the flagship station. And then I would also say, Cody, like, kid,
1:28:27
Speaker 5: you'd not punch down like that.
1:28:32
Speaker 2: Here's the thing though. I actually appreciate that.
1:28:34
Speaker 1: He tweeted it back because he could have just called
1:28:38
Speaker 1: the associate athletic director. and been like, no Texas tech
1:28:41
Speaker 1: people on this radio station ever again. He could have
1:28:44
Speaker 1: made it happen behind the scenes known like this way.
1:28:48
Speaker 1: the public knows that he's being petty and thin skinned.
1:28:52
Speaker 1: So it's like insulates the radio station a little bit.
1:28:54
Speaker 1: It protects this kid a little bit because he very
1:28:57
Speaker 1: easily could have picked up his phone and.
1:28:59
Speaker 2: Been like, fire that producer.
1:29:01
Speaker 1: Also no Texas tech athletes or coaches on your radio station.
1:29:06
Speaker 1: And that would have been the end of it. And
1:29:08
Speaker 1: no soup for you. No soup for you yet.
1:29:10
Speaker 5: Just that is quite a reaction by our guy, Cody Campbell.
1:29:16
Speaker 5: And this also allows the, the owners of the radio station,
1:29:21
Speaker 5: the PD, the program director of the radio station, the
1:29:26
Speaker 5: bosses over there to, you know, make a justifiable reaction
1:29:30
Speaker 5: of their own and be like, okay, we better, uh,
1:29:32
Speaker 5: try to smooth this over and say, Hey, that's just our,
1:29:35
Speaker 5: that's just our very good young part-time producer getting a
1:29:40
Speaker 5: little overzealous.
1:29:42
Speaker 1: Uh, everything's fine.
1:29:43
Speaker 8: Right.
1:29:43
Speaker 1: Oh man. Um, Did you, so we talked about how
1:29:47
Speaker 1: the WNBA finals have to share real estate with NBA
1:29:54
Speaker 1: regular season in Atlanta, right?
1:29:56
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:29:57
Speaker 1: Game six. Is it tomorrow night? And I think, is
1:30:01
Speaker 1: it tomorrow night or tonight? The, the Valkyrie and the
1:30:05
Speaker 1: dream have a situation. The Atlanta dream have a situation. The, the,
1:30:10
Speaker 1: Golden state Valkyries also, it is in two, in two nights,
1:30:14
Speaker 1: there are two days. It's a, it's a day game.
1:30:18
Speaker 1: There's a situation where the Valkyries could win the championship
1:30:22
Speaker 1: in this game. They could close it out, take it down,
1:30:26
Speaker 1: win the series, right? If they do, they are not
1:30:32
Speaker 1: going to be able to celebrate on the court. Did
1:30:35
Speaker 1: you hear about this? I missed this. I saw it
1:30:38
Speaker 1: in the notes and I'm very curious what it's about.
1:30:42
Speaker 1: So they've already moved the NBA game to later. They
1:30:46
Speaker 1: moved the WNBA finals game to earlier in the day.
1:30:49
Speaker 1: It's 1030 mountain time. It's an early game when a
1:30:54
Speaker 1: 1230 local time, but it's an early game.
1:30:57
Speaker 2: So they push that up.
1:30:58
Speaker 1: They push the NBA, see the NBA game back, but
1:31:04
Speaker 1: they're really cutting it close on how can you, can
1:31:06
Speaker 1: you change over the arena quick, right? If they do
1:31:10
Speaker 1: the whole post-game rigamarole champion, confetti interviews, Speaker 3 0
1:31:17
Speaker 1: on the podium and podium on the court, all that
1:31:20
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Although I think it's NBC. So it
1:31:22
Speaker 1: wouldn't be Holy row.
1:31:23
Speaker 2: They cannot meet the window, the change over window.
1:31:27
Speaker 1: So there's this very strong possibility that if the WNBA
1:31:32
Speaker 1: champion is crowned, if the Valkyries win and close out
1:31:35
Speaker 1: the series, they are going to be rapidly ushered off
1:31:40
Speaker 1: the floor where they just won the first championship in
1:31:43
Speaker 1: franchise history.
1:31:44
Speaker 5: They're a brand new franchise. The confetti will be coming down,
1:31:47
Speaker 5: but it won't hit any of them. They'll just be
1:31:49
Speaker 5: walking off the floor.
1:31:50
Speaker 1: And that they will be asked to go celebrate in
1:31:53
Speaker 1: the locker room or, and this one is even more
1:31:56
Speaker 1: insulting on an adjoining practice court.
1:31:59
Speaker 2: Apparently There's a practice court in the arena.
1:32:03
Speaker 1: Wow. And they were like, and of course everyone in
1:32:06
Speaker 1: the WNBA is up in arms about it. And everyone
1:32:08
Speaker 1: in the NBA is kind of like, I'm sorry, but
1:32:09
Speaker 1: we have to like, you can't move this game. We
1:32:14
Speaker 1: already did. We can't like change the venue, change the nights. We,
1:32:17
Speaker 1: and so I think honestly, if you're, I know the
1:32:21
Speaker 1: WNBA is searching for a new commissioner and you can't
1:32:24
Speaker 1: actually ask players to do this, but you kind of
1:32:27
Speaker 1: gotta be like, uh, don't win.
1:32:30
Speaker 2: Don't close up the series in this game.
1:32:33
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:32:33
Speaker 5: Send it back to golden state, back to San Francisco.
1:32:37
Speaker 1: It would be celebrate properly there. It would be way
1:32:40
Speaker 1: better to go celebrate a home anyway, but to be
1:32:42
Speaker 1: able to celebrate, because imagine the horrible look that is
1:32:47
Speaker 1: going to be.
1:32:47
Speaker 2: Imagine being, I feel worst.
1:32:50
Speaker 1: Here for the security staff, like the random usher people
1:32:56
Speaker 1: that are going to be in charge of getting them
1:32:57
Speaker 1: off the court.
1:32:59
Speaker 5: I'd by the way, getting the fans for the WNBA
1:33:03
Speaker 5: finals game out of the building and then ushering in
1:33:08
Speaker 5: the fans who I'm sure many of them also have
1:33:11
Speaker 5: a ticket to the Hawks game later, but there's many
1:33:14
Speaker 5: that will not that only have a ticket for the
1:33:16
Speaker 5: Hawks game and only have tickets for the WNBA game.
1:33:19
Speaker 5: So like that's man, that's going to be a zoo. Um,
1:33:23
Speaker 5: if that's how, if the series ends Thursday, I was,
1:33:28
Speaker 5: you're used to saying, whatever day night, right? I was
1:33:32
Speaker 5: about to say Thursday night. It's literally Thursday here. It's
1:33:37
Speaker 5: it starts before our show starts.
1:33:39
Speaker 1: So see like this is really early golden state, Atlanta.
1:33:43
Speaker 1: If they go to game seven, that'll be on Halloween
1:33:47
Speaker 1: at 8 PM Eastern.
1:33:49
Speaker 6: Jeez.
1:33:49
Speaker 2: So holy crap.
1:33:52
Speaker 1: What are you doing? WNBA.
1:33:54
Speaker 2: No complaining about the holy war viewing window.
1:33:57
Speaker 1: This is a literal championship series and they have to
1:34:00
Speaker 1: play on Halloween night.
1:34:01
Speaker 6: No one's going to be watching.
1:34:04
Speaker 5: It's it's really tough for the WNBA because their playoffs
1:34:12
Speaker 5: happen right at the beginning of football season. They have
1:34:17
Speaker 5: their regular seasons in the summer where there's a lot
1:34:19
Speaker 5: less going on, but the playoffs are the beginning of
1:34:21
Speaker 5: football season, not unlike major league baseball, but of course,
1:34:25
Speaker 5: MLB is a lot more established and a lot more
1:34:28
Speaker 5: established audience. So this is, this is tough for the
1:34:31
Speaker 5: WNBA because no matter what day you choose, you can pick,
1:34:34
Speaker 5: you can point to something that you go, Oh, that's
1:34:37
Speaker 5: probably going to be, it's probably gonna be overshadowed by
1:34:39
Speaker 5: that this time of year.
1:34:40
Speaker 1: So it's tough. Speaking from experience. PFL did an event
1:34:45
Speaker 1: on Halloween night in Vegas a few years ago.
1:34:49
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:34:50
Speaker 1: The rating on that did not come back very good
1:34:54
Speaker 1: because of course it was, I think a Friday, a
1:34:58
Speaker 1: Friday night, Halloween show, a world series game.
1:35:02
Speaker 3: You're just also it's Halloween. People are going, they're like
1:35:06
Speaker 3: trick or treating. They're going to parties. They're doing the
1:35:08
Speaker 3: stuff that they do. So sorry about that game seven.
1:35:13
Speaker 1: It's also just still better than closing it out in
1:35:15
Speaker 1: game six and having one of those people that wear
1:35:19
Speaker 1: like the little, you know, event services uniforms as you're
1:35:23
Speaker 1: trying to cut down the nets. No, no, no, no.
1:35:27
Speaker 1: Get down off.
1:35:29
Speaker 2: No, get off the ladder.
1:35:30
Speaker 5: We have an area where you can cut in a
1:35:32
Speaker 5: ladder where you can cut down the net. So the
1:35:34
Speaker 5: practice court over here yet that's, that's a, it's a
1:35:37
Speaker 5: terrible look too, for the WNBA. I just, Their worst nightmare,
1:35:43
Speaker 5: all due respect to the Atlanta Dream, their worst nightmare
1:35:46
Speaker 5: is that the Atlanta Dream made these finals because it
1:35:49
Speaker 5: has made things so... It's been such a logistic nightmare
1:35:53
Speaker 5: for them to try to navigate Hawks games and concerts
1:35:57
Speaker 5: that were already scheduled. And the Dream were only... They
1:36:02
Speaker 5: only banked on the Dream being in the... To lose
1:36:06
Speaker 5: in the playoffs at some point. Like, yeah, you can
1:36:07
Speaker 5: play in State Farm Arena because... By the time we
1:36:10
Speaker 5: have conflicts, you're not going to be in it anyway. Oh,
1:36:13
Speaker 5: you're two wins away from a championship. They should have
1:36:18
Speaker 5: planned more ahead for this, and yet here we are.
1:36:23
Speaker 5: They have to do something like this if the Valkyries
1:36:26
Speaker 5: close it out tonight.
1:36:27
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Maybe quietly. Let's go win this at
1:36:31
Speaker 1: home on Saturday.
1:36:34
Speaker 2: LeBron James personalized handshakes.
1:36:38
Speaker 1: Are you a fan? Have you seen this? He's been
1:36:40
Speaker 1: doing it everywhere in his career. He has the cool
1:36:44
Speaker 1: guy personalized handshake.
1:36:46
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:36:47
Speaker 1: With every teammate. I've noticed it. I couldn't tell you
1:36:51
Speaker 1: even one off the top of my head what one is. Well,
1:36:54
Speaker 1: this one you're going to remember because it's from a
1:36:56
Speaker 1: key and piece couch key and peel sketch. I don't know.
1:37:00
Speaker 1: Hopefully all of you have seen it. If you haven't,
1:37:02
Speaker 1: the Barack Obama.
1:37:04
Speaker 9: Oh yeah.
1:37:04
Speaker 2: Handshake line.
1:37:06
Speaker 1: Yeah. where all the brothers and the sisters get like
1:37:09
Speaker 1: switching handshakes.
1:37:10
Speaker 2: They get a really cool one. LeBron is doing that.
1:37:13
Speaker 1: He's got, he's got a Caucasian teammate in Philadelphia named
1:37:18
Speaker 1: Dean Wade. Oh yeah. And the handshake line is absolutely hilarious.
1:37:23
Speaker 1: Now this is obviously self-aware by both players here, but
1:37:27
Speaker 1: I'm sure Dean gave his proper consent. It's so fantastic.
1:37:31
Speaker 1: Just go watch it. LeBron and everybody else. It's like,
1:37:36
Speaker 1: a choreographed routine. And then Dean Wade is handshake and
1:37:42
Speaker 1: a nod.
1:37:42
Speaker 8: Uh-huh.
1:37:43
Speaker 1: Hello. And then he gets to the night. It's so good.
1:37:46
Speaker 1: It's exactly like the skit. So go check it out.
1:37:51
Speaker 9: All right.
1:37:51
Speaker 1: Got to take a break here. That's your daily dump
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1:37:58
Speaker 1: tell them OC sent you. Jeff Schwartz is going to
1:38:01
Speaker 1: join us at the top of the hour. I'll tell
1:38:03
Speaker 1: you who is at the, uh, Morgan Scali coaches show
1:38:06
Speaker 1: next on ESPN 700 and 92 on FM.
1:38:12
Speaker 9: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell show from the Murdoch
1:38:15
Speaker 9: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 and 92 on FM.
1:38:27
Speaker 2: Morgan Scali coaches show tonight.
1:38:30
Speaker 1: After the drive. Jai is going to be a guest.
1:38:35
Speaker 1: Daniel Bray also going to be the player guest. So
1:38:39
Speaker 1: Bill Riley, Sly, Morgan Scali, Jai Moy, and Daniel Bray.
1:38:47
Speaker 2: That's a fun little lineup.
1:38:48
Speaker 1: I like that. I just want a full breakdown, like
1:38:52
Speaker 1: five minutes long of the bull rush. I want Jai
1:38:56
Speaker 1: to tell it in his own words. And then I
1:38:58
Speaker 1: want Daniel Bray to tell it in his words. Then
1:39:00
Speaker 1: I want Sly to tell it in his words. And
1:39:02
Speaker 1: I want Bill Riley to finish it off that bull
1:39:05
Speaker 1: rush where Jai threw a 330 pound offensive guard into
1:39:09
Speaker 1: his own quarterback for a sec. That's, that's what I
1:39:11
Speaker 1: want the whole coach's show to be tonight.
1:39:13
Speaker 5: And I want Sly to ask him, Do you realize
1:39:17
Speaker 5: that you are going to be in that guy's nightmares
1:39:20
Speaker 5: for the rest of his life?
1:39:21
Speaker 1: Do you realize that? That question that you asked yesterday.
1:39:24
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, he is going to remember that. The
1:39:28
Speaker 1: Houston offensive lineman whose name evades me for the moment.
1:39:32
Speaker 1: He will never forget. Number 90.
1:39:34
Speaker 5: Speaking of Sly, I think he's listening to us because
1:39:38
Speaker 5: he is not saying Brandon Pagan anymore.
1:39:41
Speaker 1: So shout out to you, Sly, for.
1:39:45
Speaker 5: You know, making that correction. I, he's done a great
1:39:48
Speaker 5: job with the, with Braden Pagan's name over the last
1:39:52
Speaker 5: couple of games.
1:39:54
Speaker 7: All right.
1:39:54
Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz is still going to join us, but before
1:39:57
Speaker 1: we get to Jeff Schwartz, you've heard me say this
1:40:02
Speaker 1: about a lot of different phone numbers.
1:40:04
Speaker 2: Put this one in your phone.
1:40:06
Speaker 1: 801-355-5550.
1:40:08
Speaker 2: Why do you need to save that?
1:40:09
Speaker 1: Well, because you need to have a guy when someone says,
1:40:12
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, personal injury.
1:40:13
Speaker 2: Oh, you got in an accident. Who are you going
1:40:14
Speaker 2: to call? Oh, I got a guy.
1:40:16
Speaker 1: 801-355-5550. In this case, you got many guys. Today, we
1:40:21
Speaker 1: have Mark Stewart from The Advocates. If you've been hearing
1:40:24
Speaker 1: our injury updates, those are brought to you by The Advocates, utahadvocates.com.
1:40:29
Speaker 2: Available 24-7, 365. Mark, welcome.
1:40:32
Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, that number, you got to have
1:40:36
Speaker 1: it in your phone. You got to have it.
1:40:38
Speaker 8: Yeah, we tell people you need that number if you're
1:40:40
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1:40:41
Speaker 1: The first thing always is call the police.
1:40:43
Speaker 8: And then right after that, call us. We're going to
1:40:45
Speaker 8: tell you if you have a case, walk you through
1:40:47
Speaker 8: what you can do. The big thing is, is these
1:40:49
Speaker 8: insurance companies, which is who we go after, auto insurance
1:40:52
Speaker 8: companies on auto accidents, they have billions and billions of dollars.
1:40:57
Speaker 8: And the last thing they want you to do is
1:40:59
Speaker 8: get an attorney because they want to work it with
1:41:01
Speaker 8: you on their own because they know you don't know
1:41:03
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1:41:05
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1:41:06
Speaker 1: So don't get taken advantage of. Call us.
1:41:08
Speaker 8: The nice thing is you don't pay us anything out
1:41:10
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1:41:21
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1:41:23
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1:41:24
Speaker 1: So when I make that phone call, you become basically
1:41:27
Speaker 1: my partner in an effort to get what I'm worth
1:41:31
Speaker 1: or to get what my case is worth. That's right.
1:41:33
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:41:33
Speaker 1: I mean, the name of our firm, The Advocates, that's
1:41:36
Speaker 1: really what you're getting.
1:41:36
Speaker 8: You're getting an advocate that's going to go against these
1:41:39
Speaker 8: Fortune 500 companies and and fight so that you're not
1:41:42
Speaker 8: just a number to them. You're actually a person and
1:41:46
Speaker 8: we're able to describe to them your injuries, the impact
1:41:49
Speaker 8: it had on your life. I mean, if you have
1:41:51
Speaker 8: a severe injury from a car accident, there's a lot
1:41:53
Speaker 8: of clients that we have that can never return back
1:41:55
Speaker 8: to their job.
1:41:56
Speaker 1: So their life has totally changed.
1:41:58
Speaker 8: They can't do the hobbies that they did before because
1:42:01
Speaker 8: now they have these injuries. And so it, a lifestyle
1:42:04
Speaker 8: change for a lot of people and they need to
1:42:05
Speaker 8: be compensated for that because it was at no fault
1:42:08
Speaker 8: of their own that they're now dealing with those things.
1:42:11
Speaker 2: And you're available 24-7, 365.
1:42:12
Speaker 1: 24-7, 365.
1:42:12
Speaker 8: So, yeah, there's going to be an attorney, if you
1:42:17
Speaker 8: call in at 2.30 in the morning, that's going to
1:42:19
Speaker 8: answer and.
1:42:19
Speaker 1: Talk to you. 801-355-5550, utahadvocates.com. Mark, it seems like such
1:42:25
Speaker 1: a no-brainer, right? For sure.
1:42:28
Speaker 2: Where's the hesitation? Is it just an ignorance thing? People
1:42:31
Speaker 2: don't know where to turn or what to do?
1:42:33
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's that. And there's a fear of, hey,
1:42:35
Speaker 8: it's an attorney. It's going to cost me a lot
1:42:37
Speaker 8: of money. And that's why we always try and get
1:42:39
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1:42:41
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1:42:43
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1:42:46
Speaker 8: if we're able to get you a settlement. So like
1:42:48
Speaker 8: I said earlier, there's really no risk to you. We're
1:42:50
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1:42:52
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1:42:54
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1:42:56
Speaker 1: So really, it is a no brainer.
1:42:58
Speaker 8: Give us a call. We always say, hey, our consultation
1:43:01
Speaker 8: is free as well. We can tell you if you
1:43:03
Speaker 8: have a case or not just over the phone.
1:43:05
Speaker 1: And it's any kind of accident, auto accident, biking accident,
1:43:08
Speaker 1: slip and fall, walking your dog, all that stuff.
1:43:10
Speaker 8: Yep, motorcycle accident, premise case. We say, hey, if you
1:43:13
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1:43:16
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1:43:18
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1:43:20
Speaker 2: You did not deserve to be in that accident.
1:43:22
Speaker 1: You don't deserve to live with that chronic pain or
1:43:25
Speaker 1: the debilitating injury that made it so you can't go
1:43:27
Speaker 1: back to work or you can't enjoy your hobbies. You
1:43:30
Speaker 1: do deserve an advocate. You can find that at 801-355-5550.
1:43:35
Speaker 1: Utah advocates.com. The advocates giving us our injury updates right
1:43:39
Speaker 1: here on your home of the youths. And we were
1:43:41
Speaker 1: just talking about it. We feel like this team's in
1:43:43
Speaker 1: a really good spot, right? We feel good about the youths. Yeah,
1:43:46
Speaker 1: for sure. Go youths. Go youths.
1:43:50
Speaker 4: This is the Sean O'Connell show.
1:43:53
Speaker 9: Your home of the best inside of your youths. Let's
1:43:56
Speaker 9: get back to OC from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of
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Speaker 9: ESPN 700 at 92.
1:44:00
Speaker 12: One FN.
1:44:10
Speaker 1: Welcome to our number three on a Tuesday edition of
1:44:13
Speaker 1: the Sean O'Connell show and welcome in Jeff Schwartz, longtime
1:44:19
Speaker 1: NFL veteran, college football stud at the university of Oregon,
1:44:25
Speaker 1: friend of the program, my friend, former co-host of mine
1:44:28
Speaker 1: on PAC 12 radio, betting experts, all things, uh, and
1:44:32
Speaker 1: coach of the Thunderbats who've had a very successful season.
1:44:35
Speaker 1: If that matters to you, Jeff, welcome back to the show.
1:44:37
Speaker 7: How are you?
1:44:38
Speaker 6: Should matter to everybody. Um, Did you know McAfee is
1:44:42
Speaker 6: this soft? Is that something that you knew beforehand or
1:44:45
Speaker 6: just something you learned the last couple of days?
1:44:49
Speaker 2: You get to say what you want to say.
1:44:51
Speaker 1: We have to be a little more careful about our
1:44:54
Speaker 1: messaging surrounding the university's apology letter to Pat McAfee. He's
1:45:02
Speaker 1: been sensitive about people poking fun at him in the past.
1:45:06
Speaker 1: I didn't think he would be sensitive about like three
1:45:09
Speaker 1: 19-year-olds making fun of him. Not even really making fun
1:45:12
Speaker 1: of him, just kind of like talking about him.
1:45:15
Speaker 6: They asked them to do an impression of McAfee. One
1:45:17
Speaker 6: person said he's going to say something corny, and then
1:45:20
Speaker 6: I think he said the exact thing that he said
1:45:23
Speaker 6: he was going to say. That was it. And supposedly
1:45:26
Speaker 6: he's upset because Utah was the one who put the
1:45:29
Speaker 6: video out.
1:45:30
Speaker 7: So?
1:45:31
Speaker 6: It feels like There are people in life that go
1:45:40
Speaker 6: about wanting to be offended about stuff. And it feels
1:45:44
Speaker 6: like in this instance, he wants to be offended by
1:45:47
Speaker 6: something Utah did.
1:45:49
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, as he was doing the show itself,
1:45:53
Speaker 1: I was watching College Game Day. Of course, it's at
1:45:56
Speaker 1: President's Circle, like five minutes from my house. I'm like, okay,
1:45:59
Speaker 1: it's always great to see them there. The girl who
1:46:02
Speaker 1: did the kick was awful. The whole thing was embarrassing.
1:46:05
Speaker 1: It's a bad look for her to be like only
1:46:07
Speaker 1: a million dollars. But I thought what we were getting,
1:46:09
Speaker 1: because Pat is like, I mean, he literally does WWE stuff.
1:46:13
Speaker 1: I thought what we were getting is kind of a
1:46:15
Speaker 1: deliberate heel turn where Pat was going to play up
1:46:18
Speaker 1: that he's the BYU guy now. Ryan Smith, BYU alum,
1:46:22
Speaker 1: owner of the Jazz and the Mammoth. He's like Pat's
1:46:24
Speaker 1: close friend. I thought he was playing up that, okay,
1:46:27
Speaker 1: I'm the BYU guy. And I don't like these Utah kids.
1:46:32
Speaker 1: I thought that's what was going on. I thought it
1:46:34
Speaker 1: was being like, you know, kind of a tongue in cheek.
1:46:37
Speaker 1: Let's have a little bit of fun with this. And then,
1:46:40
Speaker 1: you know, like a, like a manufactured fake beef, which
1:46:44
Speaker 1: I love. Cause I'm like, okay, cool. College game day
1:46:49
Speaker 1: is going to have a relationship with Utah that everyone
1:46:52
Speaker 1: can lean into and have fun with. And then he
1:46:54
Speaker 1: went on a show and was like, I felt threatened
1:46:56
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And I was like, Whoa, But
1:47:00
Speaker 1: I still was like, okay, let's make this a beef.
1:47:02
Speaker 1: Let's make it a thing. And unfortunately, I was wrong.
1:47:06
Speaker 1: The university doesn't feel like they can do that. They
1:47:08
Speaker 1: need to bend the knee to ESPN and to Pat
1:47:11
Speaker 1: by extension and all that stuff in order to maintain
1:47:14
Speaker 1: a copacetic relationship there. I was hopeful that this was
1:47:18
Speaker 1: going to be kind of like a theatrical feud, and
1:47:22
Speaker 1: it wasn't.
1:47:24
Speaker 2: It was him being genuinely bothered.
1:47:28
Speaker 6: I just think that you have to have, of your
1:47:31
Speaker 6: internet personality, you have to be able to pick your battles, right?
1:47:36
Speaker 6: And there are certain times when you should legitimately, you know,
1:47:41
Speaker 6: stand up for yourself and, you know, and that. This
1:47:45
Speaker 6: is not one of them. Like, this is not the
1:47:48
Speaker 6: time to pick your battles. Or it's not the time
1:47:51
Speaker 6: to pick this battle. And I know people have sent
1:47:54
Speaker 6: me a tweet that someone posted tweeted in September that, like,
1:47:59
Speaker 6: they hope, you know, Pat McAfee gets Charlie Kirk, which
1:48:02
Speaker 6: is absolutely terrible, right? Terrible thing to wish on anybody.
1:48:06
Speaker 6: But it's also not a University of Utah thing. Like,
1:48:09
Speaker 6: that's not a... That's not... What does that do with Utah?
1:48:13
Speaker 6: And putting Utah in that same conversation to me felt, like,
1:48:16
Speaker 6: really wrong. And I thought that... part was even extra, right? Like, okay,
1:48:21
Speaker 6: be upset that they put the video out, whatevs. But
1:48:24
Speaker 6: like evoking that assassination and putting it, and somehow like
1:48:28
Speaker 6: attaching that to Utah felt like really uncalled for. And like, Again,
1:48:35
Speaker 6: mean things are said about us on the internet all
1:48:36
Speaker 6: the time. I get one message probably a month, something
1:48:39
Speaker 6: about being Jewish in my DMs. I just delete it.
1:48:42
Speaker 6: I don't call the police. I feel threatened. It's a
1:48:45
Speaker 6: random people on the internet, man. What are we doing?
1:48:48
Speaker 6: For someone on the internet, as much as he obviously is,
1:48:50
Speaker 6: I just felt like he handled it really poorly, man.
1:48:55
Speaker 1: Is there any validity to my theory that part of
1:48:57
Speaker 1: his thin-skinned nature is because he was a punter? And
1:49:02
Speaker 1: even if you make it to the highest, highest level
1:49:05
Speaker 1: as a punter or as a kicker, right? Everyone just
1:49:08
Speaker 1: like automatically respects NFL players because there's this public acknowledgement
1:49:13
Speaker 1: that in order to make a living in football, you
1:49:17
Speaker 1: have to be some freak of nature human being.
1:49:19
Speaker 5: Sure.
1:49:20
Speaker 1: But we don't apply that to the kickers and the punters,
1:49:22
Speaker 1: and they don't get that kind of respect. And I
1:49:24
Speaker 1: imagine I would be sensitive about that. Maybe. Maybe.
1:49:30
Speaker 6: But I think that over time, that should wane because
1:49:35
Speaker 6: of the success you've had outside of football, right?
1:49:37
Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed.
1:49:38
Speaker 6: Like, there are times when I think I've been sensitive
1:49:43
Speaker 6: or embarrassed about things, and I'm like, well, who cares?
1:49:46
Speaker 6: Why do I care what people think? I am who
1:49:49
Speaker 6: I am. Like, what is it? Why do I care
1:49:51
Speaker 6: what people think about me? Like, you get to a
1:49:52
Speaker 6: point where it's just like, who cares what random people
1:49:55
Speaker 6: on the internet say to you? And here's the thing
1:49:56
Speaker 6: about it, too, and this is what I tell all
1:49:58
Speaker 6: the time to people, like, no one acts like this
1:50:00
Speaker 6: in real life, right? And I imagine that people in
1:50:02
Speaker 6: real life are super nice to McAfee, like all the time.
1:50:06
Speaker 6: And to act like the internet, right? In whatever form
1:50:10
Speaker 6: it is, like represents the people that you see all
1:50:13
Speaker 6: the time to me, like is wrong. Cause that's not,
1:50:16
Speaker 6: I promise you, that's not the way people treat him
1:50:18
Speaker 6: in real life, Sean. They probably treat him like with
1:50:21
Speaker 6: the respect that he thinks he deserves and with the
1:50:23
Speaker 6: stardom that he has earned. And so the idea that like, that, that,
1:50:30
Speaker 6: you're treating the internet as real life to me is
1:50:33
Speaker 6: always the wrong way to look at it.
1:50:34
Speaker 7: Right.
1:50:35
Speaker 6: Again, I get zero things in real life that come
1:50:37
Speaker 6: anything close to what I hear or get told about
1:50:39
Speaker 6: on the internet from people that don't like me.
1:50:41
Speaker 7: Right.
1:50:41
Speaker 6: Most people in fact go, Hey man, can I have
1:50:43
Speaker 6: a selfie? And even people, even people on me every
1:50:45
Speaker 6: now and then, every now and then was like, Matt,
1:50:46
Speaker 6: can I just like, I don't really like you on
1:50:48
Speaker 6: the internet, but you seem cool. Can I get your autograph? Like,
1:50:50
Speaker 6: you know, like whatever, it's just not real life. And, and,
1:50:53
Speaker 6: and treating it as such is, to me is for
1:50:57
Speaker 6: someone who's always online and as a public person who,
1:51:00
Speaker 6: who again, probably gets a lot of love in real
1:51:03
Speaker 6: life is an odd way to approach the internet, man.
1:51:06
Speaker 1: The whole thing ends up being really odd. And I mean, the,
1:51:11
Speaker 1: the analogy I made this morning was sometimes you get
1:51:14
Speaker 1: in an argument with your spouse and you know that
1:51:18
Speaker 1: you really didn't do anything wrong, but you apologize anyway,
1:51:22
Speaker 1: just to make the argument go away.
1:51:24
Speaker 6: So every argument with my spouse?
1:51:26
Speaker 2: It's better to be happy than to be right. And,
1:51:29
Speaker 2: you know, you can.
1:51:30
Speaker 1: Only be one.
1:51:31
Speaker 6: Sometimes you want to be right.
1:51:32
Speaker 2: Yes, I always want to be right.
1:51:34
Speaker 1: And so, like, my immature standpoint on this is, no,
1:51:37
Speaker 1: die on this hill, fight this battle. But the university
1:51:40
Speaker 1: takes the path they took. They issue an apology. We'll
1:51:43
Speaker 1: see if anything comes of it ever. I don't think
1:51:45
Speaker 1: it will, but end of story. Let's talk about the
1:51:49
Speaker 1: Houston versus Utah game.
1:51:51
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:51:52
Speaker 1: I made sure to text you when we were discussing
1:51:56
Speaker 1: the blitz that created the fumble that salted the game
1:51:59
Speaker 1: away for the University of Utah. You know, we don't
1:52:03
Speaker 1: have– I still haven't seen the all-22 angle on it.
1:52:05
Speaker 1: I was sitting at the all-22 angle, but I didn't
1:52:07
Speaker 1: take my phone out and film. And I was like, okay,
1:52:11
Speaker 1: I don't think that that offensive– that left side of
1:52:13
Speaker 1: the Houston offensive line can be right here.
1:52:17
Speaker 2: In that situation.
1:52:18
Speaker 1: I think that's why the blitz is designed the way
1:52:20
Speaker 1: it's designed, but I wanted to talk to someone who's
1:52:22
Speaker 1: a lot better at the advanced blocking concepts than I am.
1:52:24
Speaker 1: So I asked you and I'll let you explain for
1:52:28
Speaker 1: the listeners so that I'm not saying anything wrong, why
1:52:31
Speaker 1: that works so well for Utah.
1:52:33
Speaker 6: Do you want all 22 of it? I can send
1:52:35
Speaker 6: it to you. Um, so, okay. So basically what, what
1:52:40
Speaker 6: happened is that's like a will free safety pressure, right?
1:52:42
Speaker 6: So you're bringing two guys week, right? You're bringing the
1:52:45
Speaker 6: will linebacker essentially, uh, Um, or in this case, it
1:52:48
Speaker 6: might've been like Sam strong safety. Cause I think you
1:52:50
Speaker 6: were coming from the, the, the, the field, but beyond
1:52:54
Speaker 6: that point, um, is that, uh, essentially Utah had ID,
1:52:59
Speaker 6: excuse me, Houston ID.
1:53:02
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:53:02
Speaker 6: It was from the front side. So basically it was
1:53:03
Speaker 6: like Sam strong safety is that they, they, the way
1:53:08
Speaker 6: Houston did it was they ID the five guys up
1:53:10
Speaker 6: on the line of scrimmage as their five guys, they're
1:53:13
Speaker 6: going to block, right. The final of its alignment. And then,
1:53:17
Speaker 6: you already had a guy sort of on the right
1:53:19
Speaker 6: side that was off the ball. That should have been
1:53:21
Speaker 6: indicated to the quarterback that that guy was dropping in coverage.
1:53:23
Speaker 6: He's not really on the ball. And so you have
1:53:26
Speaker 6: those five guys to block, right? Five for five. And
1:53:28
Speaker 6: the running back has the first guy to come of
1:53:31
Speaker 6: the second-level defenders. Well, you had two come in the
1:53:34
Speaker 6: second level, right? So he took the first one, which
1:53:37
Speaker 6: was the Mike or the Sam, however you want to
1:53:38
Speaker 6: ID it. Maybe it was Mike-Sam. I'm just using words here.
1:53:43
Speaker 6: So that left the safety... essentially freeing no one to
1:53:46
Speaker 6: block him. The way you would do this is you would,
1:53:49
Speaker 6: if you wanted to block it correctly, you would tell
1:53:51
Speaker 6: the line to slide to the left because you would
1:53:53
Speaker 6: disregard the guy standing up over the right tackle who's
1:53:56
Speaker 6: very clearly going to drop. Now, that's obviously a hindsight,
1:53:58
Speaker 6: but you could pick it up. You have Utah rushes six,
1:54:03
Speaker 6: and Houston has six blockers.
1:54:04
Speaker 10: Actually, rush five.
1:54:05
Speaker 6: They dropped two out. So they have enough blockers. You
1:54:07
Speaker 6: just have to ID this correctly for the quarterback.
1:54:11
Speaker 1: So it's on Connor Wegman to either get the ball
1:54:14
Speaker 1: out before he's hit or to make sure the protection
1:54:17
Speaker 1: goes the right way.
1:54:18
Speaker 6: Correct. Okay.
1:54:20
Speaker 2: It was a thing of beauty, though, because it didn't happen.
1:54:22
Speaker 6: It's a great pressure, yeah. I mean, it's tough in
1:54:24
Speaker 6: college to pick this up, and it made gamblers upset
1:54:30
Speaker 6: because you guys covered because of this. I'm sure you're
1:54:33
Speaker 6: worried about that.
1:54:36
Speaker 1: I'm a moron, and I took the over in this game.
1:54:38
Speaker 8: So did I.
1:54:38
Speaker 1: Because it was the two– It was the two highest
1:54:40
Speaker 1: scoring offenses in the Big 12 Conference going at one another.
1:54:44
Speaker 2: And it was, I think, what, 57, 57 and a half?
1:54:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:54:46
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not why I did it per se.
1:54:49
Speaker 6: I mean, Utah's red zone defense, Houston's red zone defense
1:54:53
Speaker 6: is atrocious. And I just figured that he has to
1:54:54
Speaker 6: move the ball. But it just didn't, points didn't happen.
1:54:57
Speaker 6: That's what happens sometimes, you know, just didn't score.
1:55:00
Speaker 1: Did you see the other favorite highlight from Utah's film
1:55:03
Speaker 1: in this game in the bull rush sack by number 90,
1:55:07
Speaker 1: Jai Moy, the short de-tackle?
1:55:09
Speaker 6: I did not see it. Should I look that up?
1:55:10
Speaker 1: You should look it up because there's a guy like
1:55:13
Speaker 1: your size who, uh, the kid, the Utah D tackle
1:55:17
Speaker 1: doesn't actually touch the quarterback. He just bull rushes the
1:55:20
Speaker 1: guard back into the quarterback.
1:55:22
Speaker 6: One of those embarrassing.
1:55:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:55:24
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:55:24
Speaker 1: Throws him, uses, uses him as a weapon. Uh, and
1:55:27
Speaker 1: you know, of course that never happened to Jeff Schwartz.
1:55:30
Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, I did not get beat that way. I
1:55:32
Speaker 6: haven't beat before, believe it or not. I know it's
1:55:34
Speaker 6: shocking to learn that, but it has happened in the past. Um,
1:55:38
Speaker 6: It was a good win for you guys and your
1:55:40
Speaker 6: rival loss. I know people on the station do root
1:55:42
Speaker 6: for BYU as well, but that was a good weekend
1:55:45
Speaker 6: for Utah football. A buddy of my podcast, Bear Betts,
1:55:48
Speaker 6: last week got a lot of heat from BYU fans.
1:55:51
Speaker 6: He said that, you know, my power rankings, I don't
1:55:52
Speaker 6: have BYU in the top 10. I just, I don't.
1:55:56
Speaker 6: BYU fans, you can imagine, we're not happy about that.
1:55:58
Speaker 6: And they killed him. And he had a Saturday night
1:56:01
Speaker 6: on the internet that was, made me jealous. Just like
1:56:05
Speaker 6: AI graphics of like BYU fans, like trash talking him
1:56:09
Speaker 6: and he put a gravestone out there. What a night
1:56:11
Speaker 6: for him.
1:56:13
Speaker 2: Just life on the internet.
1:56:16
Speaker 1: So BYU loses to UCF and the end of game
1:56:20
Speaker 1: scenario in that was as disgusting and weird and poorly
1:56:24
Speaker 1: officiated as anything I've seen.
1:56:28
Speaker 6: Is there a question?
1:56:29
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to start talking.
1:56:31
Speaker 6: Basically, I'm tired of it. Is that what we're talking about?
1:56:33
Speaker 1: I'm tired of the.
1:56:38
Speaker 6: Officiating errors that are procedural, right? Like, again, I tell
1:56:43
Speaker 6: this all the time, like, don't, you want to hold it, whatever, man,
1:56:46
Speaker 6: you're going to miss a hold, you're going to miss
1:56:47
Speaker 6: a pass interference. But we have enough technology and people
1:56:53
Speaker 6: with the know-how and the rules experts to get it right, right? Like,
1:56:58
Speaker 6: you have, stop the game, listen to the Big 12, like,
1:57:05
Speaker 6: in your earpiece, and get it right, man.
1:57:07
Speaker 7: Yes.
1:57:09
Speaker 6: Like just get it right.
1:57:10
Speaker 11: Right.
1:57:10
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't understand Sean, get it right.
1:57:13
Speaker 1: And instead they do this like weird runoff thing. Uh,
1:57:17
Speaker 1: they end the game prematurely, which is the second time
1:57:20
Speaker 1: this has happened in a BYU game this year. And
1:57:22
Speaker 1: then the, it felt like the roughing the kicker penalty
1:57:25
Speaker 1: was a makeup call.
1:57:27
Speaker 6: It was, I don't know if I believe in makeup calls,
1:57:29
Speaker 6: but I think that, that sometimes referees look for things to,
1:57:34
Speaker 6: to call. And it felt like they were looking to
1:57:35
Speaker 6: call that. I mean, that was so incidental, right? You get,
1:57:38
Speaker 6: Basically got blown up. You blew it off with a
1:57:40
Speaker 6: tackle and rolled over him on the kicker. That did
1:57:42
Speaker 6: not feel like the spirit of what that rule is about.
1:57:46
Speaker 6: I'm sort of big into the idea of the spirit
1:57:49
Speaker 6: behind the rule. The spirit behind that rule is not
1:57:51
Speaker 6: that penalty.
1:57:52
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. The letter of the law is broken on
1:57:54
Speaker 1: every single play in football.
1:57:56
Speaker 6: Correct.
1:57:57
Speaker 1: Someone is being held on every play, but did the
1:58:00
Speaker 1: holding impede your motion toward the play?
1:58:02
Speaker 7: Correct.
1:58:03
Speaker 2: And then you can call it. That's the spirit of
1:58:05
Speaker 2: that rule.
1:58:06
Speaker 6: Yes, and I just felt like that was not what
1:58:08
Speaker 6: that was about. But I think to the broader point, like,
1:58:11
Speaker 6: I think BYU is good, not great. I think a
1:58:14
Speaker 6: lot of teams are good, not great this year, by
1:58:15
Speaker 6: the way. And we have seen this spot play out
1:58:19
Speaker 6: all season, Sean. This is not, they're not the first
1:58:21
Speaker 6: team to lose in this spot. You win a big
1:58:23
Speaker 6: home game, the next week you come out and lose
1:58:26
Speaker 6: on the road. It's happened probably 10 times so far
1:58:28
Speaker 6: this season.
1:58:29
Speaker 1: Okay, so.
1:58:30
Speaker 6: It's a tough spot. It's a tough spot, man.
1:58:32
Speaker 1: So how does Utah avoid that same pitfall? Because they
1:58:35
Speaker 1: just got a big win at home against Houston. First
1:58:38
Speaker 1: ranked win. First real test of the season. College game
1:58:41
Speaker 1: day was here. Distraction and controversy that I don't think
1:58:44
Speaker 1: affects the team at all, honestly. But now you got
1:58:46
Speaker 1: to go. And Cincinnati is also coming off their best
1:58:49
Speaker 1: win of the year and feeling confident. Their defense overall
1:58:54
Speaker 1: is pretty bad. But how does Utah avoid falling into
1:58:58
Speaker 1: the same trap that just caught BYU?
1:59:00
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing. Cincinnati's also coming off a big win.
1:59:02
Speaker 6: Then they beat Texas Tech. And so I think you
1:59:05
Speaker 6: feel pretty good about, like, just, you know, they're in
1:59:09
Speaker 6: the same boat you guys are, right? They're obviously at
1:59:11
Speaker 6: home and you're not, but they're off a big win
1:59:13
Speaker 6: as well. I think that's valid to sort of, you know,
1:59:19
Speaker 6: the more film we're getting on Utah offense, the less
1:59:21
Speaker 6: points there are being scorched on. And I think I've
1:59:24
Speaker 6: got to evaluate why that is and how, you know,
1:59:26
Speaker 6: if you get to a road game like this and,
1:59:28
Speaker 6: You have a couple turnovers. Your defense gives up a
1:59:31
Speaker 6: score here and there. Is our offense able to ramp
1:59:33
Speaker 6: back up to what it was the first couple? This
1:59:36
Speaker 6: is sort of my concern at all times. With a
1:59:39
Speaker 6: little bit of the gadget stuff, eventually teams figure that out.
1:59:43
Speaker 6: You've only won so many plays out of those gadget formations, right?
1:59:45
Speaker 6: What do you have on offense when it's not gadget
1:59:49
Speaker 6: time and when you can't do the two quarterbacks and
1:59:53
Speaker 6: you can't do some fun, funky things because first down
1:59:55
Speaker 6: hasn't been as good so now you're in long you know,
1:59:58
Speaker 6: longer distances and you have to figure out real offense
2:00:01
Speaker 6: at times. So I think it's worth sort of figuring
2:00:03
Speaker 6: out maybe for Utah, like is the offense sort of
2:00:06
Speaker 6: stalled out a little bit, how they get some points
2:00:08
Speaker 6: in this game. But today I don't think it's very good,
2:00:11
Speaker 6: even though they beat Texas Tech.
2:00:13
Speaker 1: The last two games, they've gone away from the two
2:00:15
Speaker 1: quarterback thing. Pretty like, I think Bird Ficklin got one
2:00:19
Speaker 1: touch in the game against Houston. So is that other
2:00:24
Speaker 1: teams have figured out how to stop it or them
2:00:26
Speaker 1: just saying that's a gimmick and you don't need to
2:00:28
Speaker 1: use it?
2:00:29
Speaker 6: I imagine it's probably a little bit of both. I
2:00:31
Speaker 6: think that, you know, there's, again, there's always going to
2:00:33
Speaker 6: be a place you can run out of that, right, Sean?
2:00:35
Speaker 6: And you're basically taking, you're basically deciding that one player
2:00:40
Speaker 6: often doesn't matter, right? Like you're just, you're using up
2:00:43
Speaker 6: an offensive position for a guy that can only do
2:00:46
Speaker 6: a certain number of things in the snap. Like how,
2:00:48
Speaker 6: it eventually becomes easy to defend, right? If I know
2:00:50
Speaker 6: you're only going to do If you're that player, right,
2:00:53
Speaker 6: you're either going to run the ball on some sort
2:00:57
Speaker 6: of option-type play, right, or you're going to pass the
2:01:00
Speaker 6: ball going to your left. It feels like a pretty–
2:01:05
Speaker 6: if I'm a defense, if I know what you're doing,
2:01:07
Speaker 6: the two things you can do, it probably bodes pretty
2:01:09
Speaker 6: well for my ability to stop it.
2:01:10
Speaker 1: I guess I'm an idiot because I view it the
2:01:12
Speaker 1: other way because I'm like, okay, he can– take the
2:01:17
Speaker 1: snap and just play quarterback directly. And I guess then you're,
2:01:20
Speaker 1: you're wasting Devin for like, cause that you're probably not
2:01:24
Speaker 1: going to throw it to him.
2:01:25
Speaker 2: Although they have, right. You can have him be a receiver.
2:01:28
Speaker 1: They've done that with, with bird Ficklin after making it
2:01:32
Speaker 1: look like he was going to play quarterback. But I
2:01:34
Speaker 1: think maybe there's a decision that we have good enough receivers.
2:01:37
Speaker 1: Let's not make this quarterback be a receiver. So I
2:01:39
Speaker 1: guess it does come down to just being an option
2:01:41
Speaker 1: run nine times out of 10.
2:01:43
Speaker 6: Correct. And I think, again, there's nothing, wrong with with
2:01:46
Speaker 6: some of those plays but that's why these never last
2:01:48
Speaker 6: a whole season because you just teams you can figure
2:01:51
Speaker 6: it out just get figured out so um yeah i
2:01:54
Speaker 6: think utah's you know learning to transition to something else
2:01:57
Speaker 6: and we'll see what it looks like this week but
2:01:59
Speaker 6: now uh sets up uh you know pretty pretty uh
2:02:02
Speaker 6: comfortable place for utah to be a big 10 champion
2:02:04
Speaker 6: so uh a big big 12 champion right obviously you'll
2:02:07
Speaker 6: have an opportunity to to play that game most likely
2:02:09
Speaker 6: if you if you beat byu or byu loses another
2:02:12
Speaker 6: game here down the stretch how do you feel about
2:02:14
Speaker 6: the the the When I saw the original announcement for
2:02:19
Speaker 6: the Holy War, I thought it was 10 p.m. Eastern.
2:02:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's 10 a.m. Mountain Time, noon Eastern.
2:02:25
Speaker 6: With game day or no game day?
2:02:28
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks that game day is going to Notre Dame Miami.
2:02:31
Speaker 7: Right.
2:02:31
Speaker 6: So why are they playing your game so early then?
2:02:34
Speaker 2: So here's where it gets difficult.
2:02:37
Speaker 5: All right.
2:02:38
Speaker 1: Now, let me throw out the disclaimer. The school and
2:02:42
Speaker 1: the conference do not get to make the decision. The
2:02:44
Speaker 1: networks make the decision by themselves. However, there's been angst
2:02:49
Speaker 1: expressed by the Big 12 Conference and by the University
2:02:52
Speaker 1: of Utah that, hey, this is five night games. The
2:02:58
Speaker 1: country's not watching us. And that's true. The Houston-Utah game
2:03:03
Speaker 1: was a great game. It was a top 15 game.
2:03:06
Speaker 1: Nobody on the East Coast watched it because it was
2:03:09
Speaker 1: at 10.30 p.m. It kicked off at 1030 Eastern, right?
2:03:12
Speaker 1: So both the conference and the university have expressed like, Hey,
2:03:16
Speaker 1: can we spread these things out a little bit more?
2:03:17
Speaker 1: Can we not have every one of our games, especially
2:03:20
Speaker 1: the important ones as these night games. And then the
2:03:24
Speaker 1: alternative window for the Holy war, which will be a
2:03:26
Speaker 1: top 10 matchup, a rivalry game, top 10 rivalry game
2:03:30
Speaker 1: never happened in the history of this particular rivalry. The
2:03:33
Speaker 1: national window where everyone can watch that is either the,
2:03:38
Speaker 1: 530 Eastern kickoff time, and that's where Notre Dame Miami is,
2:03:42
Speaker 1: or you can put it in the morning. And so
2:03:47
Speaker 1: they chose to put it in the morning. And I'm
2:03:50
Speaker 1: torn on it because I guess you want, from a
2:03:53
Speaker 1: conference perspective, you want Utah BYU to be watched by
2:03:57
Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz in North Carolina. But also, Jeff Schwartz in
2:04:00
Speaker 1: North Carolina doesn't have to care about this game. This
2:04:02
Speaker 1: game is ours, man. Maximize it for the locals. But
2:04:05
Speaker 1: we've been doing that for 30 years. I don't know.
2:04:08
Speaker 2: It feels like it's a lose-lose.
2:04:09
Speaker 6: Because Jeff Schwartz in Carolina definitely did not stay awake
2:04:12
Speaker 6: for the game Saturday night. Of course. But to be fair,
2:04:15
Speaker 6: I didn't step for Oregon and Nebraska either. So, look,
2:04:17
Speaker 6: I didn't miss very much on that. Man, oh, buddy.
2:04:21
Speaker 6: That's not good, Eugene.
2:04:24
Speaker 2: We'll get to that here in a second.
2:04:25
Speaker 1: But 10 a.m., mountain time kick.
2:04:29
Speaker 6: You wake up later than that most days. How are
2:04:31
Speaker 6: you going to be able to get to the game?
2:04:32
Speaker 1: Don't put that evil on me, all right? I have
2:04:35
Speaker 1: young children. If I get to sleep in until 7 a.m.,
2:04:38
Speaker 1: I'm grateful.
2:04:39
Speaker 6: I heard someone, a buddy of my life told me
2:04:42
Speaker 6: he took his kid to play travel ball in Tennessee,
2:04:44
Speaker 6: and they woke up Monday. He's like, I just woke
2:04:46
Speaker 6: up at 8.30.
2:04:46
Speaker 8: I go, 8.30?
2:04:47
Speaker 6: If I wake up at 7.10... On a Sunday, I
2:04:53
Speaker 6: feel like I've slept in half the day.
2:04:55
Speaker 1: Yes, it feels, you're just like, oh my gosh, I
2:04:59
Speaker 1: feel wonderful about this. And now that it's getting dark early,
2:05:03
Speaker 1: it's just the worst because you wake up and it's
2:05:06
Speaker 1: dark and you're like, oh man, why can't I sleep longer?
2:05:08
Speaker 6: Has it started snowing yet?
2:05:12
Speaker 2: Just on the top of the mountains.
2:05:14
Speaker 6: Oh, that sounds miserable.
2:05:15
Speaker 2: Well, it's been nice here. We need the water, Jeff.
2:05:20
Speaker 6: You're on drought?
2:05:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had one of the driest winters on record
2:05:24
Speaker 1: last week.
2:05:24
Speaker 6: You know what? This is not the program for my
2:05:27
Speaker 6: discussion on how the climate's changed a lot in the
2:05:28
Speaker 6: last two years. We'll do that another time.
2:05:30
Speaker 1: Okay. The coaching carousel is spinning already, including at your
2:05:36
Speaker 1: alma mater. Oregon is moving on, and they're going to
2:05:38
Speaker 1: hire a new offensive coordinator. Baylor has a head coaching vacancy.
2:05:42
Speaker 1: NC State has a head coaching vacancy. Maryland?
2:05:46
Speaker 7: Maryland.
2:05:47
Speaker 2: Maryland.
2:05:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're keeping a close eye, especially on the Baylor
2:05:50
Speaker 1: one because it's a conference opponent and likely candidates. Apparently,
2:05:54
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley's name is in that conversation. I don't believe
2:05:57
Speaker 1: that one. Maybe Dan Mullen from UNLV. Some of the
2:06:01
Speaker 1: usual suspects are being mentioned, but how big a domino
2:06:05
Speaker 1: is Baylor to fall? Certainly not the biggest one we're
2:06:07
Speaker 1: going to get this offseason, but it's a big job.
2:06:11
Speaker 6: I heard Lincoln Riley's getting a lifetime contract from USC, though.
2:06:14
Speaker 6: I heard that might work out for him, so I
2:06:16
Speaker 6: hope he doesn't leave USC. What if they got a
2:06:19
Speaker 6: good coach? What if they got Jason Eck and they
2:06:22
Speaker 6: became physical again? Can you imagine that?
2:06:24
Speaker 2: What if Kalani Satake takes the USC job?
2:06:27
Speaker 6: I don't think he's leaving BYU now. Why would he leave?
2:06:30
Speaker 6: He had a chance to go last year and take
2:06:32
Speaker 6: all these jobs. Do you really think he'd leave for USC?
2:06:34
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think so because I think BYU figured
2:06:37
Speaker 1: out the feud. I think that he was beefing with
2:06:41
Speaker 1: the athletic director and they took that off his plate.
2:06:45
Speaker 1: And he's not the kind of guy who's going to
2:06:47
Speaker 1: leave his alma mater in a place, you know, he's
2:06:50
Speaker 1: a member of the faith, obviously. And it means a
2:06:52
Speaker 1: lot to him. I don't think he's going to leave
2:06:54
Speaker 1: to chase money. So I think that, I think that
2:06:58
Speaker 1: USC would have to back up a Brinks truck or
2:07:00
Speaker 1: BYU would have to screw up again. And I don't
2:07:02
Speaker 1: think they're gonna.
2:07:03
Speaker 11: Yeah.
2:07:04
Speaker 6: So I don't expect that to be a thing for USC.
2:07:06
Speaker 6: It's going to be an interesting cycle, man. There's not
2:07:09
Speaker 6: a lot of big names that are, you think like
2:07:13
Speaker 6: surefire head coaches, right? Like, The Indiana coordinators probably are
2:07:17
Speaker 6: going to get a look, right, if they want, but
2:07:19
Speaker 6: they don't have to. They don't have to go anywhere.
2:07:22
Speaker 6: You'll get a message from Jason Eck from New Mexico
2:07:24
Speaker 6: probably going somewhere. You have to think that maybe Charles
2:07:28
Speaker 6: Huff of Memphis is going after one year at Memphis,
2:07:30
Speaker 6: going somewhere, a bigger job. There's not a lot of
2:07:32
Speaker 6: big time. There's some retreads. I think Brian Kelly might
2:07:35
Speaker 6: end up going somewhere. There's some retread names. There's a
2:07:38
Speaker 6: coordinator or two we don't really see coming, but it
2:07:41
Speaker 6: doesn't feel like a cycle right now that we have
2:07:43
Speaker 6: a lot of known commodities for.
2:07:46
Speaker 2: If USC has a vacancy, will they call Bob Chesney?
2:07:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he'd take it, though.
2:07:54
Speaker 7: Why?
2:07:56
Speaker 6: Why would he take it? I mean, he's doing fine
2:07:59
Speaker 6: at UCLA. I don't think he'll be at UCLA or
2:08:00
Speaker 6: USC much longer, but I don't think he'll take the
2:08:02
Speaker 6: USC job. USC's probably going to call Urban Meyer first.
2:08:06
Speaker 6: I imagine he's going to say no. And then they're
2:08:09
Speaker 6: going to try to find the biggest name they can
2:08:11
Speaker 6: find next.
2:08:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. When the carousel gets spinning, it always
2:08:17
Speaker 1: intrigues me, and Shout out Dave Aranda. He was awesome
2:08:20
Speaker 1: when he was a coordinator at Utah State. So I
2:08:22
Speaker 1: hope it works out for him. The Niners finally lost
2:08:27
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Should I be worried?
2:08:30
Speaker 6: No. It's so funny. The fans of teams after one NFL,
2:08:34
Speaker 6: six and one, Chiefs are five and one. It's like
2:08:36
Speaker 6: the world's over. The injury thing is real, though, for
2:08:39
Speaker 6: the Niners. I mean, shoot, you guys have nobody healthy, man.
2:08:41
Speaker 6: But no, it's the NFL, man. It's one weekend.
2:08:46
Speaker 1: How much are you watching this Brewers-Rays World Series?
2:08:50
Speaker 2: Jeff, for people who don't know, Jeff is a big
2:08:52
Speaker 2: baseball guy.
2:08:54
Speaker 6: I've watched a little bit. It's been during football. It
2:08:56
Speaker 6: was on during my football last night. I'll watch more
2:09:00
Speaker 6: tonight because it's obviously a clutching game. I am looking
2:09:03
Speaker 6: forward to watching the WNBA at 1230 on Thursday afternoon.
2:09:06
Speaker 2: We were just talking about that.
2:09:09
Speaker 6: Dude, I watch WNBA. I mean, I bet on it.
2:09:12
Speaker 6: It certainly helps, but... A, some of the games, like
2:09:16
Speaker 6: last night's game was just atrocious. It was so poorly played.
2:09:19
Speaker 6: No one played, but whatever. It's just such poor leadership.
2:09:23
Speaker 6: The idea that they didn't have a plan at all
2:09:28
Speaker 6: for this is just so telling, right? Like no foresight. Like,
2:09:32
Speaker 6: you know, people point out to other teams who are NBA, yeah,
2:09:34
Speaker 6: they're tenants of those arenas. Atlanta doesn't play in this arena.
2:09:37
Speaker 6: It's not their home arena. And they just had no idea.
2:09:42
Speaker 6: They didn't think one day ahead at a time, right, Sean?
2:09:45
Speaker 6: That's it. They didn't have any thoughts and plans for this.
2:09:48
Speaker 6: And also, the other dumb thing about this thing is
2:09:49
Speaker 6: that people are like, it'd be a good PR move
2:09:52
Speaker 6: for the Hawks to give up their home game.
2:09:55
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
2:09:56
Speaker 6: Who cares? More Hawks tickets? Are they going to sell
2:10:00
Speaker 6: more tickets because they gave up a home game for
2:10:02
Speaker 6: the dream?
2:10:03
Speaker 1: It's their arena. It's their schedule.
2:10:05
Speaker 6: Why should they change? Some of the takes on this
2:10:08
Speaker 6: are just horrendously bad. The Hawks owe it to them
2:10:14
Speaker 6: to move their game and move their schedule around and
2:10:17
Speaker 6: cancel their game because the WNBA didn't prepare to have
2:10:24
Speaker 6: a game six in a proper location.
2:10:26
Speaker 1: It's wild. Before I let you go, Quentin Nelson gets
2:10:30
Speaker 1: traded to the Seahawks.
2:10:33
Speaker 2: What do you think it is? I mean, he's an
2:10:35
Speaker 2: absolute monster.
2:10:36
Speaker 6: Still playing at a very high level. Interesting trade. Seahawks,
2:10:40
Speaker 6: be aggressive, right? This little window they have right here.
2:10:43
Speaker 6: Quinn Nelson will play left guard. I imagine Zabel might
2:10:46
Speaker 6: move to center right guard, and they're just going for it. Look,
2:10:48
Speaker 6: the run game has struggled this year without Kenneth Walker,
2:10:51
Speaker 6: as we know, and they have some other injuries, right?
2:10:54
Speaker 6: Price is hurt, beat up, but Charbonnet is out. So
2:10:57
Speaker 6: I think Quinn Nelson does two things, right? One, it
2:10:59
Speaker 6: makes your team just tougher. He's just a tough SOB, right?
2:11:01
Speaker 6: But also, too, I'd imagine it just allows your run
2:11:04
Speaker 6: game to be a little bit better until those guys
2:11:05
Speaker 6: get back, you know? And so he was cheap. Third
2:11:08
Speaker 6: round pick next year, like in a fifth or something
2:11:10
Speaker 6: in the year after that, like this for an all
2:11:12
Speaker 6: pro player like this, obviously he's on a contract year.
2:11:15
Speaker 6: So I'm not sure the, the, the, the, the traits
2:11:18
Speaker 6: in the five, they're going to sign him to a
2:11:19
Speaker 6: long-term contract, but you just certainly can sign him to
2:11:22
Speaker 6: a deal. And now you have a, you know, a
2:11:24
Speaker 6: left guard, an all pro type player for a long time.
2:11:28
Speaker 1: All right. Overtime again, as I usually am. So, Got
2:11:32
Speaker 1: to let you go. Appreciate you giving us some time
2:11:34
Speaker 1: this week. Take care, buddy.
2:11:36
Speaker 6: Have a good week.
2:11:37
Speaker 7: Bye.
2:11:37
Speaker 1: That's Jeff Schwartz, betting insider, college football insider, NFL football
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Speaker 1: insider as well.
2:11:46
Speaker 2: All right, some really bad news.
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Speaker 1: If you had high hopes for the Utah Jazz, especially
2:11:51
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this NBA season.
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Speaker 1: We've got a $ 25 gift card to Zhao Asian Cafe
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Speaker 1: to give away next. Oh, sorry. Excuse me.
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Speaker 2: I lied to you. It's a free meal.
2:12:28
Speaker 1: It's a free meal card, free meal voucher. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what the exact dollar amount for that would be,
2:12:35
Speaker 1: but it's a free meal, people. We're giving that away
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Speaker 1: next with topical trivia. Maybe try ordering $ 50 worth of
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Speaker 1: food and saying, this is one meal, okay? No, don't
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Speaker 1: be greedy about it.
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Speaker 5: No, I believe it's like a bowl or some other
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Speaker 5: kind of entree.
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Speaker 1: A bowl of salads. They have the Asian tacos. They've
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Speaker 1: got a wonderful, delicious menu. A lot of it very,
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Speaker 1: very healthy food. So tell him OC sent you when
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Speaker 1: you win the gift card and you head down to
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Speaker 1: Zao Asian cafe.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that here in a second.
2:13:09
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
2:13:10
Speaker 1: I have bad news for all of you that thought
2:13:12
Speaker 1: that the Utah jazz might actually make something of themselves
2:13:15
Speaker 1: this year.
2:13:15
Speaker 5: I feel like you're just talking to me. What, what,
2:13:18
Speaker 5: why are you, why am I the target of your
2:13:20
Speaker 5: ire right now? I'll see you don't McAfee this about you.
2:13:24
Speaker 1: Okay. Fair enough.
2:13:28
Speaker 2: Uh, it's really a bum deal.
2:13:30
Speaker 1: Shams and others now reporting that Trey J as he's
2:13:34
Speaker 1: affectionately referred to on this. He loves it. By the way,
2:13:37
Speaker 1: he loves Trey J Jaron Jackson, jr. James ran it
2:13:40
Speaker 1: by him and he was like, yeah, I'll take it.
2:13:43
Speaker 1: Jaron Jackson jr. Is injured and out for six to
2:13:48
Speaker 1: eight weeks. I haven't seen an update yet on that remark.
2:13:53
Speaker 1: And in his wrist, he exited the first quarter of
2:13:55
Speaker 1: the Utah jazz game last night, which coincidentally another loss.
2:13:59
Speaker 2: Do a not good team in Memphis.
2:14:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're 0-2 against Memphis so far. Guys, it's fine
2:14:06
Speaker 1: if your best defensive player who's supposed to be your
2:14:09
Speaker 1: best defensive big man is gone for this next game.
2:14:12
Speaker 1: No big deal. It's just the Spurs. It's just Wemby
2:14:15
Speaker 1: in town.
2:14:17
Speaker 5: Which, by the way, regardless of what lineup the Jazz
2:14:22
Speaker 5: trot out there, it is worth your time if you're
2:14:24
Speaker 5: able to to see Wemby in person. I'll just put
2:14:27
Speaker 5: that plug out there. If you had, especially if you
2:14:29
Speaker 5: haven't seen him in person yet.
2:14:31
Speaker 8: Yeah.
2:14:31
Speaker 1: I mean, there are certain players that I only, I
2:14:35
Speaker 1: think I only watched LeBron James in person like three
2:14:38
Speaker 1: or four times. Cause he, he hardly ever played when
2:14:41
Speaker 1: he was in Utah.
2:14:42
Speaker 9: Yeah.
2:14:42
Speaker 1: He would, he started skipping that trip.
2:14:44
Speaker 5: Coincidentally, after he, he breaks his losing streak in Utah,
2:14:49
Speaker 5: there was, it was like seven or eight games there.
2:14:52
Speaker 5: I didn't want to say six or seven games. It
2:14:55
Speaker 5: was somewhere in there. And then they, they break the
2:14:58
Speaker 5: streak his first year with the, with LA. And then
2:15:01
Speaker 5: he decides I'm never going to play here again.
2:15:03
Speaker 1: Basically. It's like, I got to win. He stands it
2:15:05
Speaker 1: go out on top.
2:15:07
Speaker 2: I can appreciate that.
2:15:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:15:09
Speaker 1: But yeah, really bad news for the Utah jazz as
2:15:12
Speaker 1: Jaron Jackson jr.
2:15:14
Speaker 2: We'll be out for six to eight weeks.
2:15:16
Speaker 1: And this was, this was unfortunately, you know, I've referred
2:15:20
Speaker 1: to it with Gordy Chiesa who joined us on the
2:15:22
Speaker 1: program today. was one of the things that I asked
2:15:25
Speaker 1: about this team. Yes. Your personnel is better. Your roster
2:15:28
Speaker 1: is better than it was last year. I think significantly.
2:15:31
Speaker 1: So we still will see what the absence of somebody
2:15:34
Speaker 1: like Walker Kessler does long-term for the jazz, but we
2:15:37
Speaker 1: saw what it does for this team short-term last year
2:15:40
Speaker 1: because he was injured as well. So Larry marketing, Jaron Jackson, jr. Keontae,
2:15:46
Speaker 1: George ace Bailey, Darren Peterson. These are all, these are
2:15:51
Speaker 1: all better pieces. but they have to be available. And
2:15:56
Speaker 1: you've spent now four seasons where you're mixing and matching.
2:16:00
Speaker 1: You're not having available consistency. You're just, you're kind of
2:16:05
Speaker 1: hoping for the best. You start this season without Nurk
2:16:09
Speaker 1: and now you're without Jaron Jackson jr. As well for
2:16:12
Speaker 1: a protracted, that's a significant amount of time. When we
2:16:15
Speaker 1: were talking with Gordy, he said, yeah, once you get
2:16:18
Speaker 1: into you know, mid December ish, 20 games in, that's
2:16:22
Speaker 1: when you're really starting to figure things out, which means
2:16:24
Speaker 1: that this jazz team is going to spend those first
2:16:26
Speaker 1: 20 games.
2:16:27
Speaker 2: Well, the next 16 out.
2:16:30
Speaker 1: Of those first 20 games, plus without a guy who's
2:16:33
Speaker 1: supposed to be probably your second or third best player.
2:16:37
Speaker 1: And he's an all-star. He's a defensive player of the year.
2:16:39
Speaker 1: He is the tone setter and you are devoid of
2:16:44
Speaker 1: big men right now.
2:16:45
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:16:46
Speaker 5: And a chunk of that, Next 16 games, not all
2:16:50
Speaker 5: of the not all of the next six to eight weeks, obviously,
2:16:54
Speaker 5: but a good chunk of that almost at least half
2:16:57
Speaker 5: of that without another one of your starters guy who
2:17:00
Speaker 5: is going to be your starting center and use of Nurkic.
2:17:02
Speaker 5: And so that's two starters down for at least the
2:17:06
Speaker 5: next three weeks.
2:17:06
Speaker 1: This is TBT TBT on.
2:17:13
Speaker 2: Lowry marketing.
2:17:14
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:17:14
Speaker 1: We don't know.
2:17:15
Speaker 5: We have not received an update on that. I think
2:17:17
Speaker 5: it's good news that Shams has already, a guy like
2:17:20
Speaker 5: Shams already, uh, tweeted that, um, Trey J is out
2:17:25
Speaker 5: to six weeks and we haven't heard anything about Lowry.
2:17:27
Speaker 5: That means maybe he doesn't play tomorrow night against San
2:17:30
Speaker 5: Antonio the next game, but you hope that that no
2:17:34
Speaker 5: news is good news thing works in your favor here.
2:17:37
Speaker 5: If you're the jazz and you're, you're, he's only out
2:17:40
Speaker 5: for a couple of games and not at least six
2:17:42
Speaker 5: to eight weeks.
2:17:43
Speaker 1: Like, uh, Like Trey J., who loves the nickname. I
2:17:47
Speaker 1: was skeptical of whether or not you could just... assume, like,
2:17:51
Speaker 1: all right, now that you're supposed to play the 70
2:17:54
Speaker 1: games or so, you're going to be able to play
2:17:56
Speaker 1: 70 games or so. Lowry Markkinen has not played more
2:17:59
Speaker 1: than 66 games since coming to Utah. That's his cap
2:18:04
Speaker 1: so far. You want that, as many as that or
2:18:08
Speaker 1: more from him. Please. Because, again, I don't expect greatness
2:18:14
Speaker 1: from the team right now. I need a product, a
2:18:18
Speaker 1: basketball product that is worth consuming, that is worth talking about,
2:18:22
Speaker 1: a basketball product that makes sense for people to stay
2:18:25
Speaker 1: interested in. And you know what? If I'm a jazz
2:18:28
Speaker 1: fan and I see this, if I'm a season ticket holder,
2:18:31
Speaker 1: I'm calling and being like, is there any way that
2:18:34
Speaker 1: I can transfer this over to the Utah Mammoth, who,
2:18:37
Speaker 1: by the way, are in action tonight?
2:18:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, Minnesota Wild. It's a good Wild team. Going to
2:18:43
Speaker 5: get wild at the Delta Center. Yeah, this is about
2:18:49
Speaker 5: the worst news that the Jazz could get right now, especially, again,
2:18:54
Speaker 5: given that they don't have their starting center, who is
2:18:56
Speaker 5: only their starting center because they ended up having to
2:18:59
Speaker 5: trade the guy that they wanted to be their starting center.
2:19:01
Speaker 5: So you are really thin with your big men. What
2:19:04
Speaker 5: they'll probably do, in the short term, assuming that Lowry
2:19:08
Speaker 5: Markkinen doesn't miss more than a game or two here,
2:19:12
Speaker 5: maybe a week, whatever, with this wrist injury, is they probably,
2:19:17
Speaker 5: they've started Ace at least one game this year already.
2:19:20
Speaker 5: They probably have Ace be one of your forwards and,
2:19:24
Speaker 5: you know, knock on wood, Lowry's wrist injury isn't serious.
2:19:28
Speaker 1: He's your other forward.
2:19:30
Speaker 5: And then when they haven't started Ace, it's been Jackson
2:19:33
Speaker 5: Hayes at center. So not going to be that different
2:19:38
Speaker 5: having ACE as your third forward, there is a bit
2:19:41
Speaker 5: of a luxury, but it, this eats at your depth,
2:19:44
Speaker 5: which the jazz don't have a ton of as it is.
2:19:48
Speaker 1: Uh, this is going to be a tough, uh, what'd
2:19:51
Speaker 1: you say?
2:19:52
Speaker 5: 16 to 20 games stretch here without, without, uh, Jaron
2:19:57
Speaker 5: Jackson jr. And much of that without Nurkic too. And look,
2:20:00
Speaker 5: you hope he rushes back and in a healthy way.
2:20:02
Speaker 5: And you hope that he's available as soon as possible.
2:20:04
Speaker 1: And, The science on injury recovery is better now in
2:20:08
Speaker 1: pro sports and every sport that it's ever been. But
2:20:12
Speaker 1: I don't know how many more injuries, you can never
2:20:15
Speaker 1: afford injuries, but a developing team that needs to know
2:20:18
Speaker 1: what it is together can't really afford this in a
2:20:23
Speaker 1: season that's supposed to matter, finally, for once. All right,
2:20:27
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. We're going to give away that
2:20:30
Speaker 1: free lunch at Zao Asian Cafe with a little topical trivia.
2:20:34
Speaker 5: Zao about we do that. No, that was not endorsed
2:20:39
Speaker 5: by the program. That is something that I use at home,
2:20:41
Speaker 5: by the way. When we eat Zhao, we go, what's
2:20:45
Speaker 5: Zhao about it?
2:20:49
Speaker 1: I sympathize with your wife. She probably laughs, though, doesn't she?
2:20:55
Speaker 1: She says it, too. I don't know.
2:20:58
Speaker 2: Maybe I've infected her brain. You're wearing off on her.
2:21:01
Speaker 2: You become infectious.
2:21:03
Speaker 1: I have that effect on people. You've used some bad
2:21:06
Speaker 1: puns since we started doing the show together. You slowly
2:21:10
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Speaker 1: up here on a Tuesday. We got a free meal
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Speaker 1: card to Zhao Asian Cafe. Yesterday, they provided us the
2:21:52
Speaker 1: hot lunch. I went white rice, natural chicken, all the fixings.
2:21:59
Speaker 1: That was broccoli, pickled onions, pickled carrots, corn, and green
2:22:06
Speaker 1: curry sauce. I think today I'm probably going to go
2:22:10
Speaker 1: for the red curry sauce, but you can do teriyaki.
2:22:13
Speaker 1: You can do no sauce. You can mix and match.
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Speaker 1: The Utah Mammoth current goals leader, current goals leader, not
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Speaker 1: points leader, goals leader for the Utah Mammoth as they
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Speaker 5: Be sure that you give OC the key and peel.
2:22:59
Speaker 5: White guy handshake when you see him. Eye contact, nod, handshake.
2:23:04
Speaker 1: If we don't know each other, we probably don't have
2:23:06
Speaker 1: a LeBron James customized secret handshake yet.
2:23:10
Speaker 5: Pretend you're LeBron and you're talking to Dean Wade. You're
2:23:13
Speaker 5: dapping up Dean Wade.
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Speaker 2: Go watch the video.
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Speaker 1: It's so good. It is fantastic, and it is directly
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Speaker 1: analogous to the Key & Peele.
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Speaker 2: Sketch the Barack Obama handshake line.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I got my Zao order yesterday. Got
2:23:26
Speaker 1: a shout out.
2:23:27
Speaker 5: They didn't have an orange chicken before that I'm aware of.
2:23:30
Speaker 5: Maybe they've had it for a little while now. I
2:23:32
Speaker 5: just haven't been. But they call it the golden citrus chicken.
2:23:36
Speaker 5: It's a really good orange chicken. If you're looking for
2:23:39
Speaker 5: a different protein, you haven't tried.
2:23:41
Speaker 1: It, Zao. So you've got the natural chicken, which is
2:23:44
Speaker 1: seasoned and grilled. You've got the golden citrus chicken. wok
2:23:48
Speaker 1: tossed in an orange citrus glaze. Even on the website,
2:23:51
Speaker 1: it looks fantastic. Steak, Mongolian beef. Oh, yes, that is
2:23:57
Speaker 1: wok seared. That is rich and savory. And you can
2:24:01
Speaker 1: also go organic tofu if you're, you know, one of
2:24:05
Speaker 1: those vegans or vegetarians even. Or maybe you just like
2:24:09
Speaker 1: tofu that much because who doesn't enjoy soft bean curd?
2:24:17
Speaker 1: It's Thai spiced, too, according to the website. They got noodle.
2:24:22
Speaker 1: Next time, I think noodle bowl instead of the white rice.
2:24:26
Speaker 1: I love the bowl. Actually, looking at the belly in
2:24:28
Speaker 1: this gray shirt, maybe Asian salad is the right way
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Speaker 1: to go. You never know.
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Speaker 2: Always love hearing from you.
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Speaker 7: 877-353-0700.
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Speaker 1: Spence and I had the pleasure last night of judging
2:24:42
Speaker 1: a karaoke contest together at A wonderful location here in
2:24:46
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake Valley that, as far as I know,
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Speaker 1: doesn't advertise with us yet. So we'll save their name
2:24:51
Speaker 1: for later. But I will say this. Some talented individuals,
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Speaker 1: some sneaky, talented singers just rolling through random neighborhood bars.
2:25:02
Speaker 1: Spence Check gets in the driver next, and he's right
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Speaker 1: here in front of me in our Broadway studios, if
2:25:07
Speaker 1: you can believe it.
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Speaker 7: Hi.
2:25:08
Speaker 10: You missed some controversy after you left.
2:25:10
Speaker 1: Is that true?
2:25:11
Speaker 6: It is true.
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Speaker 13: So I hung out for a little bit after you
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Speaker 13: took off, maybe another 20 minutes.
2:25:17
Speaker 1: Okay.
2:25:18
Speaker 13: Maybe we should keep, well, I doubt that group is
2:25:23
Speaker 13: tuned in to Sports Talk Radio this afternoon.
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Speaker 1: I did appreciate when we were invited to be the
2:25:29
Speaker 1: guest judges at the karaoke contest, and then we showed up,
2:25:33
Speaker 1: and I was like, There might be one person in
2:25:35
Speaker 1: this place that actually listens to sports talk radio.
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Speaker 10: The kid that you and I both know.
2:25:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
2:25:40
Speaker 10: Who showed up to say what's up.
2:25:41
Speaker 1: Shout out TJ Jones.
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Speaker 10: TJ's awesome. Inhoke, proud Sigma Chi. Whatever. Caroline won.
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Speaker 7: Yes. Okay.
2:25:52
Speaker 10: I had Mackerel as my number one.
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Speaker 1: Mackle. Whatever.
2:25:56
Speaker 10: Again, not listening.
2:25:58
Speaker 1: And then Jenny D. winner of the best booty award. Okay.
2:26:04
Speaker 6: Last night.
2:26:05
Speaker 10: Oh, shout out to judge booty, by the way.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Our third judge, our third celebrity judge.
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Speaker 10: And she was more or less running the thing.
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Speaker 2: She basically handled it all.
2:26:13
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:26:13
Speaker 10: She's been doing it for a few years. It was our,
2:26:15
Speaker 10: our first year.
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Speaker 13: Well, um, do you remember the girl who was dressed
2:26:21
Speaker 13: as a cat who I think finished second?
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What do you remember her name? Adrian.
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Speaker 4: Adrian.
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Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 13: That's good job. Well, She came up to me and
2:26:33
Speaker 13: inquired about my order, who I had winning.
2:26:37
Speaker 7: Oh.
2:26:38
Speaker 13: And I told her I had her tied with Mackle
2:26:41
Speaker 13: for first. And then, I don't know if it was
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Speaker 13: her boyfriend or probably somebody at the bar that was
2:26:46
Speaker 13: trying to impress her.
2:26:47
Speaker 8: Yeah.
2:26:48
Speaker 10: Started grilling me as to why she didn't win.
2:26:50
Speaker 7: Okay.
2:26:51
Speaker 10: And I said, well, the cue was Caroline.
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Speaker 1: There's three judges.
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Speaker 10: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Three scorecards.
2:26:57
Speaker 6: Correct.
2:26:58
Speaker 13: And for like 10 minutes was like, mad that she
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Speaker 13: got 50 bucks and a hoodie in carolina singing a
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Speaker 13: song in front of seven intoxicated patrons yes so i
2:27:11
Speaker 13: ended up just exiting okay so you you missed a
2:27:15
Speaker 13: little you missed a little of the uh the drama.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry i'm sorry that i missed that good time
2:27:19
Speaker 1: that's great.
2:27:20
Speaker 13: Time yeah i was not i thought i would be
2:27:22
Speaker 13: home a little bit earlier than I was, but nonetheless
2:27:25
Speaker 13: enjoyed it.
2:27:26
Speaker 10: So it was fun hanging out with you. We don't
2:27:27
Speaker 10: get to hang out a lot at the studio.
2:27:29
Speaker 1: That's true. It was great. It was awesome.
2:27:31
Speaker 2: So all of you with hidden talents out there, cultivate
2:27:35
Speaker 2: those talents.
2:27:36
Speaker 13: What about old boy who, like, we thought we were done,
2:27:38
Speaker 13: and the guy grabs the mic and gives us a
2:27:41
Speaker 13: little Zach Bryan.
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Speaker 10: I wanted to cry. It broke my heart. A little
2:27:44
Speaker 10: orange whatever. The orange in the sky.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
2:27:46
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:27:47
Speaker 2: There were some good voices.
2:27:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:27:50
Speaker 2: I think here for me, if you're in a.
2:27:52
Speaker 1: Now, karaoke, if you're just doing karaoke for fun, sing
2:27:56
Speaker 1: whatever song you want. If you're doing a karaoke contest,
2:28:00
Speaker 1: song selection feels very important, people. 100%.
2:28:05
Speaker 13: I think that's why I liked Mackle, because she actually...
2:28:07
Speaker 13: It was a Journey tune, correct?
2:28:08
Speaker 8: Yeah.
2:28:10
Speaker 13: Yeah, that resonated. Because let me say this. Sean O'Connell, kids, wide...
2:28:17
Speaker 13: Array of musical knowledge. Like, 90% of those songs, I
2:28:20
Speaker 13: had no idea what they were.
2:28:21
Speaker 1: That's surprising to me because I feel like I have
2:28:24
Speaker 1: a very narrow musical scope because I listen to this crap. Oh, okay. Like,
2:28:30
Speaker 1: me talking, you talking, Dan Patrick talking. Right, right, yeah. Like,
2:28:34
Speaker 1: I don't listen to music very often.
2:28:36
Speaker 13: You knew more of the songs than I did. Which,
2:28:38
Speaker 13: that is an indictment on you. Judge Booty was singing
2:28:42
Speaker 13: along to all of them.
2:28:42
Speaker 2: She was singing everything.
2:28:44
Speaker 13: And by the way, a fine performance in her own right.
2:28:47
Speaker 13: A song not safe for work.
2:28:48
Speaker 6: Yes.
2:28:50
Speaker 13: But I thought she was, like, at one point, I
2:28:52
Speaker 13: had her in the lead. She's like, oh, I can't win.
2:28:54
Speaker 13: Because she, I guess, does that all the time.
2:28:57
Speaker 6: Okay.
2:28:58
Speaker 10: Did we spoil the party by not dressing up?
2:29:00
Speaker 2: We weren't told to dress up, so that's not on us.
2:29:03
Speaker 6: Okay.
2:29:03
Speaker 1: All right.
2:29:04
Speaker 6: Fair enough.
2:29:04
Speaker 10: But anyway, fun night. Thanks for having us out.
2:29:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to leave it alone. Because we already
2:29:13
Speaker 1: talked about it yesterday. Leave what alone? The Pat McAfee stuff. Oh,
2:29:17
Speaker 1: the officials apology from the university and all that movement.
2:29:22
Speaker 1: We already talked about it yesterday. All right.
2:29:26
Speaker 13: Well, it seems to not go away at all. I
2:29:30
Speaker 13: actually have one friend back East. The only time I
2:29:34
Speaker 13: hear from him is when something weird happens in Utah.
2:29:37
Speaker 9: Yeah.
2:29:37
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:29:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:29:38
Speaker 13: And usually it's weird news. Like at one point he
2:29:42
Speaker 13: sent me a text. He's like, why do you, Why
2:29:45
Speaker 13: are moms like drowning kids in Utah all the time?
2:29:47
Speaker 13: Why'd you say that? No, like weird, horrible news stories
2:29:54
Speaker 13: is usually what I hear from him. Like weird crime
2:29:58
Speaker 13: stories in Utah. And he actually, this morning, he's like, hey,
2:30:03
Speaker 13: how do you handle the McAfee thing?
2:30:05
Speaker 2: I was like, what?
2:30:05
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:30:06
Speaker 2: It's registered on your East Coast radar?
2:30:08
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:30:09
Speaker 13: So it really has reached a fever pitch across the
2:30:13
Speaker 13: country where it's an unavoidable story.
2:30:17
Speaker 10: We're their broadcast partner, okay?
2:30:20
Speaker 13: So what I'll say is I understand why they feel
2:30:24
Speaker 13: the need to do what they did.
2:30:27
Speaker 10: I will say I don't believe it was necessary.
2:30:31
Speaker 13: This to me is the embodiment of where we are
2:30:34
Speaker 13: as a society as it pertains to engagement and the
2:30:42
Speaker 13: culture now that has moved into the attention economy. This
2:30:47
Speaker 13: is a story that's like exclusively online. I don't think
2:30:51
Speaker 13: it's reverberating in normal people's real life that are not
2:30:54
Speaker 13: on Twitter, not on Instagram or whatever.
2:30:58
Speaker 1: Correct.
2:30:59
Speaker 13: And anytime a story that I feel is exclusively online
2:31:03
Speaker 13: starts to seep into reality, I just wonder how much
2:31:08
Speaker 13: of us are spending way too much time focusing on
2:31:12
Speaker 13: something that, quite frankly, isn't really germane to much of
2:31:17
Speaker 13: anything as it pertains to what's important. What's important is
2:31:19
Speaker 13: how this will affect the football team, and I'm quite
2:31:21
Speaker 13: sure Morgan Scali is not focused on whether or not
2:31:24
Speaker 13: Pat McAfee is ever coming back to Salt Lake City.
2:31:26
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:31:27
Speaker 1: The best outcome here, though, is that they're back for
2:31:29
Speaker 1: the Holy War bright and early.
2:31:32
Speaker 2: That would be so amazing. It's not going to happen,
2:31:34
Speaker 2: but I would love it.
2:31:35
Speaker 13: See, the way I see this playing out is some
2:31:37
Speaker 13: sort of redemption arc, because College Game Day will come
2:31:39
Speaker 13: back to Utah.
2:31:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:31:41
Speaker 13: It's not going to be Holy War, because if you
2:31:42
Speaker 13: look at the slate that day... Oh, by the way,
2:31:46
Speaker 13: depending on whether they... Well, I guess it doesn't matter
2:31:49
Speaker 13: if they go ABC or ESPN, because it will be
2:31:53
Speaker 13: the game right out of Game Day.
2:31:55
Speaker 7: Yes.
2:31:55
Speaker 1: 10 a.m.
2:31:57
Speaker 10: Is the first game after Game Day ends.
2:31:59
Speaker 1: Correct.
2:32:00
Speaker 10: So it's going to be interesting to see when it's
2:32:02
Speaker 10: time to pick.
2:32:04
Speaker 10: Cincinnati, Utah, how that clown handles it.
2:32:08
Speaker 1: I know exactly how it's going to be handled because
2:32:10
Speaker 1: he knows what to do. He is a Showtime entertainer.
2:32:15
Speaker 1: He is going to do what you or I would do.
2:32:18
Speaker 1: He's going to play it up, and he is going
2:32:21
Speaker 1: to get a little pop from whatever crowd.
2:32:24
Speaker 10: Should I start doing my first segment with my shirt off?
2:32:28
Speaker 2: I mean, you put in a lot of work.
2:32:30
Speaker 10: I look better than Pat McAfee does with my shirt
2:32:31
Speaker 10: off right now.
2:32:32
Speaker 2: All right, go for it.
2:32:34
Speaker 10: I mean, this is what we all do.
2:32:35
Speaker 8: Now, right?
2:32:36
Speaker 2: The kids are going to be nonplussed.
2:32:39
Speaker 13: And I would deserve it, because it is creepy to
2:32:41
Speaker 13: take your shirt off out of college campus. And by
2:32:43
Speaker 13: the way, you do say corny things from time to time.
2:32:47
Speaker 7: Not you.
2:32:47
Speaker 10: I know I definitely do. Well, I know you do,
2:32:50
Speaker 10: but I wasn't saying that to you in that moment.
2:32:53
Speaker 1: Well, now I feel unsafe and uncomfortable.
2:32:54
Speaker 6: As you should.
2:32:57
Speaker 13: That might be the wildest portion of this entire thing.
2:33:00
Speaker 2: It's definitely the wildest portion. It's so wild, like.
2:33:04
Speaker 1: Claiming you're so uncomfortable that that horrible tragedy was brought
2:33:10
Speaker 1: to mind is the biggest leap.
2:33:13
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:33:14
Speaker 2: Like a grand Canyon hop across the line.
2:33:17
Speaker 7: Yeah.
2:33:18
Speaker 1: And again, this is, I'm telling you, I don't think
2:33:23
Speaker 1: that that moment itself was calculated, but then everything since
2:33:28
Speaker 1: is just like, okay, how do I maximize engagement? How
2:33:31
Speaker 1: do I make this more of a thing? How do
2:33:33
Speaker 1: I get this to be something that helps the show?
2:33:37
Speaker 1: And so it's going to be handled that way from
2:33:40
Speaker 1: here forth.
2:33:41
Speaker 13: The weird thing about that, though, is most most provocateurs,
2:33:46
Speaker 13: which is what he is, and a court jester and
2:33:48
Speaker 13: a fragile man baby.
2:33:51
Speaker 10: If they're stoking the flames intentionally.
2:33:55
Speaker 13: They typically don't have the side of them that is
2:33:58
Speaker 13: like bummed out if they get heat thrown in their direction.
2:34:04
Speaker 1: I think Stephen A. Smith is a perfect example.
2:34:06
Speaker 13: Like, he doesn't come across as a crybaby if he
2:34:11
Speaker 13: gets heat thrown his way.
2:34:12
Speaker 10: He leans into it and uses it for engagement.
2:34:15
Speaker 13: But the weird part about all this is if we
2:34:17
Speaker 13: operate off the premise that McAfee is doing this intentionally,
2:34:21
Speaker 13: he's still acting like a petulant clown child on the
2:34:24
Speaker 13: other side of it because he had his feelings heard
2:34:26
Speaker 13: because a 19-year-old said he was going to say something corny.
2:34:28
Speaker 1: See, I think we're past that now, and I think it's, okay,
2:34:32
Speaker 1: how do we make this... my victory here. And he,
2:34:35
Speaker 1: and he, here, he got it. He got the victory.
2:34:37
Speaker 1: And that's, that's what I mean.
2:34:39
Speaker 8: Right.
2:34:39
Speaker 1: I think that when he first saw it, he was
2:34:42
Speaker 1: a little miffed. I think that the girl saying only
2:34:45
Speaker 1: $ 1 million, maybe justifiably was like, Oh, geez, not a
2:34:48
Speaker 1: great look there.
2:34:49
Speaker 2: Excuse me.
2:34:49
Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure.
2:34:51
Speaker 1: And then I think that he just stood on it
2:34:55
Speaker 1: and it became a thing. And, but he got his,
2:34:57
Speaker 1: he got his victory. And at some point he gets
2:35:00
Speaker 1: to pound his chest and curl about that. Didn't happen
2:35:02
Speaker 1: on the show today, as far as we could tell.
2:35:04
Speaker 1: So we'll see.
2:35:05
Speaker 10: Don't watch.
2:35:06
Speaker 1: Don't listen.
2:35:06
Speaker 10: Don't even know what it's on. But back to the
2:35:08
Speaker 10: redemption arc.
2:35:09
Speaker 13: Like, I can imagine a scenario where game day is
2:35:13
Speaker 13: back here, and he actually does show up. And then
2:35:16
Speaker 13: he'll lean into the whole, like, hey, let's kiss and
2:35:19
Speaker 13: make up type thing. And then Paul Kirk will be
2:35:21
Speaker 13: able to get some sleep. And then we'll all hug
2:35:24
Speaker 13: each other, and it's kumbaya after that.
2:35:26
Speaker 1: It's going to be an interesting drive with Spence Jacobs today.
2:35:29
Speaker 6: Always is.
2:35:30
Speaker 1: Stay tuned.
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Speaker 2: ESPN 792 on FX.