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You've Been Gilmored: Alex Aciman · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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Speaker 1: I am all in. Let's you. I Am all In
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Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast. Let's get a little
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Speaker 1: business out of the way. I'm going to be appearing
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Speaker 1: at the Motor City Comic Con taking place in Detroit, Michigan,
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Speaker 1: the week end of November ten through twelve, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit outside the city, but
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Speaker 1: come and see me there. MotorCity Comic Con November ten
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Speaker 1: through twelve, twenty twenty three. Also Galaxy Con Columbus December
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Speaker 1: two and three, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Hope to see everybody there.
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Speaker 1: Let's have some fun. One on one interview with Alex Akerman.
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Speaker 1: Here's this bio. Alexander Akaman is an editor for wirecutter
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Speaker 1: Discovery team from the New York Times. He has worked
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Speaker 1: as a journalist and on documentary film projects. One on
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Speaker 1: one interview with Alex Ackerman. Here's his bio. Alexander Akaman
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Speaker 1: as an editor for Wirecutter's Discovery team from the New
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Speaker 1: York Times. He has worked as a journalist and on
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Speaker 1: documentary film projects, and he has also worked as a
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Speaker 1: screenwriter for Amazon and lions Gate. When he's not working,
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Speaker 1: can you can probably find him bird watching, running or
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Speaker 1: making pasta. We found the ultra pricey ice cream maker
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Speaker 1: larel I Gilmore got as a wedding gift. She should
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Speaker 1: have kept it. That's according to Alex's article. Even twenty
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Speaker 1: years after the episode's original air date, fans and chronic
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Speaker 1: rewatchers of Gilmore Girls, we'll probably ask themselves the same
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Speaker 1: question at some point, who gave laurel I the ice
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Speaker 1: cream maker. In the show's second season, win A Lello
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Speaker 1: forty eight Musso Lucino, a long time wirecutter pick arrives
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Speaker 1: at Larele's home just weeks after she's called off her weddings. Suki,
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Speaker 1: Ry and Lorelei all stand staring at the gleaming spaceship
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Speaker 1: like appliance shown in the scene above. I'm sure exactly
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Speaker 1: who sent it. There is no note, no card, no
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Speaker 1: return address. Lorelei is dead set on finding out who
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Speaker 1: sent it, but the gift giver's identity remains a mystery,
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Speaker 1: and Lorelei ultimately gives the appliance away. But we think
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Speaker 1: she should have kept it. And this young gentleman, this
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Speaker 1: young talented gentleman who is making his way through Hollywood
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Speaker 1: screenwriting projects, which he cannot discuss yet, but he will
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Speaker 1: if he comes back. Wrote an article about this ice
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Speaker 1: creammaker here he is, let's bring him in. Alex Ackerman, Alex, Hey, Hey,
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Speaker 1: how's it going. First of all, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 1: Great to have you. And what made you want to
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Speaker 1: write an article about an ice cream maker? Laurel I
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Speaker 1: was gifted in season two.
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Speaker 3: It's one of those things. So I work at Wirecutter,
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Speaker 3: and it's the New York Times product review service, and
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Speaker 3: it's one of the great thing about working there. It's
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Speaker 3: sort of this like effervescent collective process. And at some
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Speaker 3: point we were one of the writers was testing ice
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Speaker 3: cream makers and I jokingly asked if we tested the
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Speaker 3: one from Gilmore Girls, And as it turns out, they
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Speaker 3: had and it was really really good, and it just
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Speaker 3: sort of went from there. And I think that my
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Speaker 3: editor and I both knew that this was a show
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Speaker 3: that had this kind of like endurant love from its
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Speaker 3: fan base and like people coming to it every year
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Speaker 3: new because of you know, it's because of streaming, and
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Speaker 3: so I thought it would be fun. So it just
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Speaker 3: sort of just sort of came about.
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Speaker 1: Who do you think gave Laurel I the ice cream Maker.
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Speaker 3: I think it was Emily. I think her mom gave
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Speaker 3: it to her. I think that it's like extravagant enough,
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Speaker 3: and it's almost like a repudiation of the way that
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Speaker 3: they eat while also being like an endorsement of it
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Speaker 3: in her own Emily way. That's my theory. That's what
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Speaker 3: I think.
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Speaker 1: Have you written any other articles about Gilmore Girls or
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Speaker 1: just this one?
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Speaker 3: Not about Gilmore Girls. I did a sort of similar
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Speaker 3: thing earlier this summer, right before The Bear season two
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Speaker 3: came out, where we just went through all the different
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Speaker 3: wirecutter picks in the first season of The Bear. So no,
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Speaker 3: I haven't, but hopefully soon, you know, I'd love to
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Speaker 3: write more about Gilmore Girls.
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Speaker 1: And why do you think it is so well received
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Speaker 1: by ever new generations of people, younger audiences. What is
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Speaker 1: it about this show? That's a really good question, because
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Speaker 1: it really is a phenomenon, isn't it. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: is a cultural phenomenon. Really, is there any other show
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Speaker 1: like it in the history of television that has continued
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Speaker 1: to gain a fan base? I mean, it's really not
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Speaker 1: a fair question, because you know, streaming didn't exist back
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Speaker 1: in the day, so it's a whole new landscape now.
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Speaker 1: But why do you think the show endures?
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Speaker 3: I think there are I think there are a very
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Speaker 3: select handful of other shows, like I think The Office
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Speaker 3: and The Sopranos have been able to like. But you know,
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Speaker 3: we're talking about like the crrndules of TV shows, you
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Speaker 3: know what we're talking about, those three. But I think
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Speaker 3: it's I mean, I'm someone who came to it new,
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Speaker 3: So I only really started watching it in maybe twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen because my fiance is a big fan of
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Speaker 3: it and I'd never seen it. So we started watching it,
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Speaker 3: and then I was living in LA for a little
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Speaker 3: bit and she'd sent me like a list of all
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Speaker 3: her favorite episodes and I sort of was working my
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Speaker 3: way through them while I was there alone, and I
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Speaker 3: fell in love with it. I think it's very similar
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Speaker 3: to I mean, it's sort of the same reason that
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Speaker 3: people love like it's a wonderful life or like you know,
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Speaker 3: old Frank Capra movies. It's because there's something ethereal and
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Speaker 3: timeless about like the exchange between like this world that
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Speaker 3: is like really really warm and serene and tender, but
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Speaker 3: also that is like populated with people that are experiencing
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Speaker 3: their own turmoil in search of connection. Like that feels
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Speaker 3: like a very timeless story. And when it's written and
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Speaker 3: executed as I think as so expertly as Gilmore Girls is,
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Speaker 3: I think you have that kind of like magic winning combination.
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Speaker 3: That's that's my theory.
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Speaker 1: I don't recall a show ever having the lead character
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Speaker 1: Lorela Gilmour basically be a stand up comedian through the
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Speaker 1: entire seven seasons. She just did joke after joke after joke,
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Speaker 1: and we still took her seriously as a character, and
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Speaker 1: she was doing fairly sophisticated humor that was going off
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Speaker 1: for everybody's head.
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Speaker 3: Was it that way on set? Were you like, wow,
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Speaker 3: I'm just amazed by Like was that the experience of
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Speaker 3: filming the show?
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Speaker 1: Well, the thing about the show was always the dialogue.
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Speaker 1: So it was dialogue, the dialogue, the dialogue that was
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Speaker 1: the focus. Are we going to be able to execute
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Speaker 1: and serve this dialogue at the speed and with the
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Speaker 1: intention with which it was written? So that was the
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Speaker 1: challenge every day. So it was really more about the technical,
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Speaker 1: mechanical aspects of what we do as actors, as opposed
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Speaker 1: to over analyzing everything and trying to, you know, get
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Speaker 1: the deeper meaning of it. It was just such a
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Speaker 1: from from the start of the first episode, the first
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Speaker 1: senior shooting of that season, and then nine months later
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Speaker 1: you're you feel like a train ran over you and
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Speaker 1: backed up and did it again, because it is just
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Speaker 1: such the pace and the hours and the volume. We
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Speaker 1: did eighty pages and it was all black inks. So
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Speaker 1: it was fifty percent more dialogue or one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: more dialogue than anybody was doing, or two hundred percent
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Speaker 1: more dialogue.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's sort of thing that blows me, is
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Speaker 3: I know that, like you know, those fifteen hour days
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Speaker 3: that just I can't imagine like what any of you, like,
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Speaker 3: the amount of energy. But also just like especially like
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Speaker 3: someone like Lauren Graham who was in every single scene
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Speaker 3: like and then being able to like show up and
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Speaker 3: then do that sort of like Ernst Lubitch, like excellent,
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Speaker 3: perfect timing, delivery, amazing rerippart that like I don't know how,
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Speaker 3: I don't know how you did it. It's it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's now I think I answered my own question.
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Speaker 1: I think there are two reasons that the show endors
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Speaker 1: I think it's because it's so fast, and it's so
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Speaker 1: filled with pop culture references in clever, little funny anecdotes
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Speaker 1: and stories and jokes, jokey jokes that people miss half
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Speaker 1: of it or they get it and they react after
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Speaker 1: the fact, but they want to experience it again and
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Speaker 1: again and again and again. There's so much. It's so compact.
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Speaker 3: You just keep discovering new things everything.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's far more interesting to watch it than it
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Speaker 1: was ever to make it. It's not okay. So when
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Speaker 1: you're on a writing jack, Let's say you get into
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Speaker 1: a writing jack, you're writing a screenplay, you're writing something,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know what your process is,
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Speaker 1: but you know a lot of writers talk about their
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Speaker 1: process like they'll sit with their characters for a long
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Speaker 1: time until the characters start talking to them and demanding
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Speaker 1: that they'd be written and that you follow those characters.
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Speaker 1: You don't impose anything on those characters, but they're real,
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Speaker 1: living things inside your head, inside your being. And you
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Speaker 1: get on a three four day writing jag and you
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Speaker 1: blast out a first draft and it's like you didn't sleep,
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Speaker 1: and it just goes by. And that's kind of what
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Speaker 1: like filming the show was. Every week you're just occupied,
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Speaker 1: you're taken over.
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Speaker 3: You can do that with one like I just don't
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Speaker 3: know how like even I mean even just as like
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Speaker 3: a writer, like I like, writing a sixty page script
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Speaker 3: is hard enough, and then doing four of them in
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Speaker 3: a year is like, I don't know how it gets done.
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Speaker 3: It's it's either it's the old I mean there, but
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Speaker 3: there is so much like one of the I mean,
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Speaker 3: one of the things that I feel like i've and
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Speaker 3: I'd be curious to hear like sort of like how
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Speaker 3: it came about. Like one of the things that you
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Speaker 3: sort of notice as you rewatch this show is that
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Speaker 3: you in particular sort of like I don't know, like
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Speaker 3: you move very very gracefully. It's almost like a ballroom dance.
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Speaker 3: It's like it seems like the more stuff that they're
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Speaker 3: putting in your hands, the more graceful movements become. And
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Speaker 3: then there's also this like moving master that the that
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Speaker 3: the show is shot in, and those two things just
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Speaker 3: really seem to like have this like wonderful symbiotic inter
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Speaker 3: like it they like it just seems to suit everything,
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Speaker 3: like it just works together so well. And like that
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Speaker 3: was one of the things that I noticed, like when
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Speaker 3: I rewatched it recently, I was like, that's kind of
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Speaker 3: an amazing touch that that manages to come out.
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Speaker 1: That's really interesting that you point that out, because I
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Speaker 1: just remember my best memories of doing that show were rehearsals,
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Speaker 1: and you know, you rehearse and you rehearse and you
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Speaker 1: figure out the dance steps right, and it was always
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Speaker 1: and you're always with Lauren, You're with you know who
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Speaker 1: am I with? In the dynam with Lauren most of
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Speaker 1: the time, you know, and we speak pretty much the
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Speaker 1: same language and our approach to the work, and it's
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Speaker 1: really about making sure that we can justify every single
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Speaker 1: line of dialogue, every single movement that we make. It
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Speaker 1: has to be supported by something that is real. It's like,
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Speaker 1: we can't do it unless we have to do it.
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Speaker 1: So we we would spend a painstaking amount of time
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Speaker 1: in rehearsal getting it right before we shot it, and
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Speaker 1: everybody had to be And the thing that I miss
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Speaker 1: most about working with her is is having a partner
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Speaker 1: that knows how to construct a scene, choreograph a scene
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Speaker 1: with another person, you know, because it's because you know
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Speaker 1: what it's like if you've tried to co write with somebody,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of back and forth. And
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Speaker 1: when you've got two people as stubborn and uh and
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Speaker 1: Lourene and myself, and I think that's that's why it
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Speaker 1: was so electric between us, because we were acting out
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Speaker 1: choices that we both fought for in the rehearsal process,
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Speaker 1: not each other. We didn't fight each other, it's just
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Speaker 1: we we had to state our case as to why
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Speaker 1: I listen, I can't move over there because of X,
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Speaker 1: and I think I need to go around the diner.
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Speaker 1: And you know, it was all very, very very It
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Speaker 1: was technical based on the impetus of an emotional life.
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Speaker 1: It had to be real. It's gotta be real. You
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Speaker 1: gotta you can't move until you till you feel it.
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Speaker 1: And if I didn't feel it and she didn't feel it,
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Speaker 1: we weren't. We were going to continue to rehearse until
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Speaker 1: we found something. And then you have these wonderful directors
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Speaker 1: come in. They have all kinds of ideas, and they
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Speaker 1: they know well enough to stay away when we're sort
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Speaker 1: of getting into it and creating it. But if we
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Speaker 1: hit a glitch, then they'll, you know, they could say
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Speaker 1: the magic words and we go ah. So I love
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Speaker 1: that collaboration, and I love that kind of collaboration with
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Speaker 1: with really gifted artists like you know, Lauren and and
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Speaker 1: all the other actors. I mean, it's Kelly Bishop. I mean, imagine,
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Speaker 1: you know, crafting scenes with these people. I miss that
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Speaker 1: so very much. But I'm getting to do it now.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing a new series up in Canada, and I'm
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Speaker 1: getting to do it now. So I it's what I
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Speaker 1: miss about acting the most is the rehearsal process. So
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Speaker 1: thank you for noticing that. And we took great care
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Speaker 1: in crafting those the movement as well.
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Speaker 2: We've we because.
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Speaker 1: We saw it from you know, ten thousand feet Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we wanted it to look a certain way too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's cool. That's very cool.
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Speaker 1: So so look, gil more questions. We have big fans
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Speaker 1: who write in. They want to know how many times
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Speaker 1: you've seen this series. This is Jane from Walla, Walla, Washington.
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Speaker 1: Jane from Walla, Walla.
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Speaker 3: There's no good answer to that. Like, there's some episodes
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Speaker 3: that I've seen once, and then some episodes that I've
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Speaker 3: seen like nine times. It's sort of the math. I
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Speaker 3: don't know, I like, maybe collectively, like maybe four three,
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Speaker 3: four times. Truly, it's like disproportionate.
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Speaker 1: Right, Amanda from Amarillo, Texas. Who is your favorite character
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Speaker 1: from the show? Uh?
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Speaker 3: I think I think Laurel is probably my favorite character.
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Speaker 3: I think that sort of as as I said, the
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Speaker 3: show has a sort of like you know, his Girl Friday,
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Speaker 3: like Earn Slubitch style like component to it, like this
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Speaker 3: really old Hollywood feel, and I feel like Laurel I
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Speaker 3: really really brings that sort of high. It's the tragic
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Speaker 3: com like even when something is going dismally or something
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Speaker 3: really tragic is happening, like there's this she finds this
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Speaker 3: vein of irony and finds a way. And also you
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Speaker 3: know that irony I think, especially from old movies, comes
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Speaker 3: from characters deflecting. And I feel like I do that
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Speaker 3: too personally, like in something the the the unwillingness to
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Speaker 3: take seriously a really bad thing just to deflect, and
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Speaker 3: so I couldn't relate to that impulse. But so that
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Speaker 3: I think is my answer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one has ever had more sass. I refer
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Speaker 1: to it as sassy. She's say, uh okay, Charmaine from Buffalo,
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Speaker 1: New York, what is your favorite episode and why? If
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Speaker 1: you have a favorite episode.
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Speaker 3: I do have a favorite episode. I think my favorite
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Speaker 3: episode it's a big it's actually a big Luke episode.
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Speaker 3: It's in the first season, and it's when Richard has
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Speaker 3: a heart attack. I think that there is like, it
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Speaker 3: does have this tragic comic effect to it. There's something really,
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Speaker 3: I don't know how it becomes such a warm, intimate episode,
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Speaker 3: but it does. And there's something. And then especially you
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Speaker 3: know at the very end when you're watching the Christmas
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Speaker 3: carollers and you were lucky to turn off the lights,
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Speaker 3: there's something really, I don't know, there's and then also
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Speaker 3: that conversation that you know, Luke and Emily have. I
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Speaker 3: it's a I think it's a really beautiful episode.
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Speaker 1: Let me see Laura Lee from Portland, Oregon. If there
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Speaker 1: was a storyline you could change, what would it be?
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Speaker 3: That that's kind of this might be controversial. I think
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Speaker 3: personally my least favorite storyline was when Richard and Emily separated.
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Speaker 1: Feel did that leave? It left a massivoid? It did?
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Speaker 3: And seeing Ed Herman and Kelly Bishop on set like
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Speaker 3: on screen together is like to not have that was
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Speaker 3: right kind of disappointing. I mean, what was that like
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Speaker 3: to experience like, do you you know, is that something
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Speaker 3: that like you've you've like was that also felt.
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Speaker 1: Yes, no, but rewatching it as we did recently, because
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Speaker 1: I've never seen any of these episodes, by the way,
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Speaker 1: except the pilot. So when I saw that, I, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, the writer in me went crazy and I said,
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Speaker 1: what are they doing? You know you built you build
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Speaker 1: this house, This foundation is built upon this. You don't
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Speaker 1: wreck this. You don't even.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: We we uh, we took it to task. We took
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Speaker 1: them to task over that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I one of the few north stars in
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Speaker 3: the show is that Emily see ida eye on a
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Speaker 3: lot of things, and to take that away as can be,
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Speaker 3: I feel like a little destabilizing for the ecosystem of
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Speaker 3: the show.
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Speaker 1: You know, mm hmmm. I don't know if you're I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you're a fan of it or familiar
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Speaker 1: with it, but I love the actors in it. There's
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Speaker 1: a show called Billions, yea Dami, Damian Lewis and Paul
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Speaker 1: Giamaudi and it's a real Shakespearean mono imano type deal.
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Speaker 1: When Maelan Ackerman left him took the kids away from him,
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Speaker 1: I thought that was a big mistake. She was his
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Speaker 1: moral compass, and now he was alone, without his sons,
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Speaker 1: without his family. I thought it really weakened his character.
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Speaker 1: And I don't understand maybe she got another gig and
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Speaker 1: she wanted off the show, or she wasn't getting enough,
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Speaker 1: but she was a really integral part of the show.
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Speaker 1: And I think actors don't understand the effect they have
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Speaker 1: on our own audience. But I thought that that particular
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Speaker 1: example was unfortunate for that show. He needed to have
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Speaker 1: a moral compass and you just can't take that away.
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Speaker 3: No, it's the beginning of the end.
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Speaker 1: It's the beginning of the end.
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Speaker 3: They I will say, they got back together on Gilmore Girls.
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Speaker 1: So I'm.
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Speaker 3: I think it was figured out that this that having
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Speaker 3: those two actors not on screen at the same time
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Speaker 3: was doing nobody anyways, right right, right?
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Speaker 1: Okay? So was that the most upsetting thing you saw
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Speaker 1: on I would say that that was the most of
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Speaker 1: saying right, right, okay?
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So this is from Trish from Fort Lee, New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: Was your favorite boyfriend for Rory? Do you find any
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Speaker 1: of them intolerable?
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Speaker 3: Uh? I'm gonna give the most diplomatic answer that I can.
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Speaker 3: I think that they were all good boyfriends that didn't
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Speaker 3: meet them at the right time, that they all cross
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Speaker 3: paths at the wrong time with each.
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Speaker 1: Other artfully, artfully expressed, artful. That is a wonderful dodge.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is this is uh Shanikwa from the
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Speaker 1: Bronx wants to know do you think Logan is a
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Speaker 1: bad influence on Rory?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Rory is a bad influence on Rory.
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Speaker 1: You know, you know a lot of people are going
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Speaker 1: to agree with you in this fan base.
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Speaker 3: He can be a little jerky sometimes, but I don't
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Speaker 3: think you know, he means well. Whether he does well
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Speaker 3: is different. But I don't think he's trying to push
23:03
Speaker 3: someone in the wrong direction.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. All right, here's a big, big question, alex uh. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is from Ramola from New York City. Do you
23:17
Speaker 1: think Emily and Richard are good parents to Laurel I?
23:21
Speaker 1: Or maybe the question should be were good parents to
23:24
Speaker 1: Laurel I? Because I mean, there she's what thirty six now?
23:27
Speaker 1: So thirty seven? So yeah, he stopped. I mean, when
23:31
Speaker 1: does the parenting end?
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Speaker 3: I maybe I think they did the best at what
23:41
Speaker 3: they thought was right. I think and Also, I think
23:43
Speaker 3: Laurel I says that too in that episode that I mentioned.
23:45
Speaker 3: She's like, my you know, my dad is from a
23:49
Speaker 3: time and a place. He has these values, he believes
23:51
Speaker 3: in these things. He did right by his family as
23:53
Speaker 3: far as he saw. And I think, I mean, first,
23:56
Speaker 3: I don't think you can necessarily look at Laurel I
23:59
Speaker 3: and be like, I mean, this is the person who like,
24:01
Speaker 3: I don't think that they did a decent job like
24:04
Speaker 3: she turned out okay. But I would also say that
24:07
Speaker 3: I think that they did what they thought was best
24:11
Speaker 3: and they did that well. So I think that whether
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Speaker 3: or not they're good parents is a hard thing to answer,
24:17
Speaker 3: but I do think that.
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Speaker 2: I don't.
24:20
Speaker 3: I think that they had a vision of the world
24:23
Speaker 3: and I think they lived by that and I think
24:25
Speaker 3: they did that well.
24:27
Speaker 1: Right, lots of questions about Luke and is that her
24:36
Speaker 1: best lorealized best match? All right, so let's just let's
24:40
Speaker 1: just talk about Luke, because we never really talk about
24:43
Speaker 1: Luke that much. Did you think that Luke was her
24:47
Speaker 1: best match loraalized best match?
24:53
Speaker 3: I do, And I also and I think that the
24:57
Speaker 3: I think that the writers did as well. I think
25:00
Speaker 3: that I actually I would love to know if my
25:03
Speaker 3: theory is correct, and maybe it's too far back of
25:05
Speaker 3: an answer, but like I feel like you can tell
25:11
Speaker 3: when the season two pick up order came based on
25:15
Speaker 3: when they sort of pull off the gas for the
25:19
Speaker 3: Luke and Loral like they're like it's like they are
25:23
Speaker 3: not saving any any energy for the swim back to shore,
25:28
Speaker 3: and then at a certain point, like it's clear, like, well,
25:30
Speaker 3: we can't do it right now because presumably they got
25:34
Speaker 3: renewed for a second season, like in that hospital episode,
25:40
Speaker 3: like you you know, that feels like it's the beginning
25:42
Speaker 3: of something incredibly magic and charming, and it doesn't really
25:47
Speaker 3: come back there for another for some years. So I mean,
25:51
Speaker 3: I would I would love to note that that's my theory.
25:54
Speaker 3: That's my theory about.
25:55
Speaker 1: The time of things. From what I can tell and
26:00
Speaker 1: what I have gleaned, I think the network wanted it sooner,
26:06
Speaker 1: and I think Amy and Dan fought him tooth and
26:09
Speaker 1: nail to drag it out, which I think was the
26:13
Speaker 1: smart move obviously, and I actually think they could have
26:16
Speaker 1: milked it for another couple of seasons.
26:22
Speaker 3: That that would have been a controversial move. I meant
26:28
Speaker 3: that I actually have a new question for you. I'd
26:30
Speaker 3: love to know, Okay, when you I guess like when
26:35
Speaker 3: as an actor, I you know, you you shut the
26:38
Speaker 3: door on a character when the show ends, and then
26:43
Speaker 3: nine or so years later, like you have to you're
26:46
Speaker 3: you know, like you have to find a way to
26:50
Speaker 3: open that door again, like well like and to do
26:55
Speaker 3: that very seamlessly and to be to sort of rediscover
26:59
Speaker 3: that character, Like did you have a process for doing that?
27:04
Speaker 3: Like during the not the reboot, but the like, what
27:09
Speaker 3: were you like, did you have tools? Did you have
27:11
Speaker 3: like a touchstone? Did you like how did you know
27:14
Speaker 3: that so well?
27:15
Speaker 1: Because the band got back together and you're playing with
27:20
Speaker 1: your old players and it's like we didn't forget how
27:25
Speaker 1: to play. And the panic was in the beginning that
27:28
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like this guy anymore. But then I
27:32
Speaker 1: put the clothes on and put the hat on, and
27:34
Speaker 1: I took a walk around stars Hollow, which they built
27:38
Speaker 1: back up again Netflix did, and it was a better, brighter,
27:44
Speaker 1: shinier version of what we remember. There was a bigger
27:48
Speaker 1: budget for these four you know, hour and a half
27:54
Speaker 1: movies is basically what they were. And just talking with
28:02
Speaker 1: Lauren again and talking with Michael Winners and talking with
28:07
Speaker 1: you know, Rory and doing scenes with them again and
28:10
Speaker 1: rehearsing again. It all just, you know, it all flooded back,
28:13
Speaker 1: and I, you know, the time that went by was
28:20
Speaker 1: no longer an issue. You know, I changed a great deal.
28:24
Speaker 1: I'd gotten married and had a son, so I didn't
28:29
Speaker 1: I couldn't relate to Luke as he was, But how
28:32
Speaker 1: could you. He wasn't that Luke anymore. He was this
28:36
Speaker 1: guy now. And it's just this time went by and
28:40
Speaker 1: I looked different, and Lauren didn't look that much different,
28:42
Speaker 1: so it was a little more and h But yeah,
28:49
Speaker 1: it's really just being around the old players again and
28:52
Speaker 1: you know, playing the music again and it all sort
28:55
Speaker 1: of comes back.
28:57
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of a that's a I know, it's
29:00
Speaker 3: a very it's a very heartwarming thing to hear as
29:04
Speaker 3: a fan because like you do sort of imagine, like
29:09
Speaker 3: I know, you see a lot, you see a lot
29:11
Speaker 3: of reboots of a lot of shows that don't go
29:14
Speaker 3: so well, and then on this one, like I know,
29:18
Speaker 3: people had varying, very strong, varying opinions, but I don't
29:23
Speaker 3: think that anyone felt that anyone was not in the
29:25
Speaker 3: scene and not in the moment. That's I don't know,
29:30
Speaker 3: so it's I was just always amazed by that aspect
29:32
Speaker 3: of it.
29:33
Speaker 1: Certainly, I really think that, you know, the other actors.
29:39
Speaker 1: Actors breathe life into each other, and we're solely dependent
29:45
Speaker 1: on each other, you know, and it's an exchange. It's
29:49
Speaker 1: like an exchange of energy and light, if if you will,
29:55
Speaker 1: And that just sort of activates the whole process and
29:59
Speaker 1: it and it becomes, oh, yeah, this is how it feels,
30:03
Speaker 1: and this is who we are, and this is how
30:05
Speaker 1: we relate to one another, and this is what it is,
30:07
Speaker 1: and this is what it sounds like, and this is
30:08
Speaker 1: what it feels like, and let's go. Give us the words,
30:14
Speaker 1: let's go.
30:15
Speaker 3: That's very similar to writing. I mean, because I when I,
30:18
Speaker 3: you know, do any screenwriting, I write with a very
30:21
Speaker 3: good friend of mine, and like there's this sort of
30:27
Speaker 3: kinetic exchange, and then there's also this like like damn,
30:31
Speaker 3: that guy really just come up with that awesome line.
30:33
Speaker 3: I got to come up with a better line. I
30:34
Speaker 3: got to do better than that. It's like the most
30:38
Speaker 3: exciting thing is to find yourself in a situation where
30:42
Speaker 3: you're playing cap with people. So I feel like it
30:44
Speaker 3: sounds very similar.
30:46
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think you've nailed it. It's,
30:50
Speaker 1: you know, just keeping that ball in the air and
30:53
Speaker 1: making it go higher and higher and higher. So let's
30:57
Speaker 1: talk about your screenwriting. How did you how long have
31:02
Speaker 1: you been wanting to write? And did you want to
31:05
Speaker 1: write novels or how did you sort of rotate into
31:09
Speaker 1: writing screenplays? Not not that that's that's it's an extremely
31:13
Speaker 1: difficult thing to do. Yeah, to write a good screenplay
31:18
Speaker 1: is no mean task. No, it's it's it's not it's daunting.
31:24
Speaker 1: It is did you grow up loving literature and and
31:27
Speaker 1: you were well read kid, and and you admired certain
31:32
Speaker 1: writers growing.
31:32
Speaker 3: Up completely totally. And but I also sort of like
31:36
Speaker 3: very parallel to that, really really loved movies. I really
31:42
Speaker 3: liked old movies. I was and still am a big
31:45
Speaker 3: movie nerd in high school. And a lot of my
31:49
Speaker 3: favorite writers did. But like Graham Green and Raymond chandl
31:52
Speaker 3: like did they did both, you know, novels and screenplays,
31:57
Speaker 3: And so I feel like a lot of that is
32:00
Speaker 3: very very very close together. And I and so, as
32:04
Speaker 3: I mentioned, I write mainly with you know, a very
32:07
Speaker 3: good friend of mine, and we both sort of love
32:10
Speaker 3: the same movies, and eventually we were just, you know,
32:16
Speaker 3: just just happened, and it's a really exciting, really fun thing.
32:21
Speaker 3: Very can be very frustrating sometimes in the development.
32:26
Speaker 1: But anything anything worth it is right, it's yes, but birth.
32:32
Speaker 3: Pangs, yeah, it's it's and then you know, obviously there's
32:39
Speaker 3: a unlike journalism, I feel like there's also sort of
32:46
Speaker 3: like a very. You have to be willing to say
32:50
Speaker 3: goodbye to projects that you really love almost as quickly
32:54
Speaker 3: as you fell in love with them. For you know,
32:57
Speaker 3: let's say producers move on, or someone drops out, or
33:01
Speaker 3: this happens, that that happens, or the weather changes, and
33:04
Speaker 3: you have to be willing and able to like close
33:09
Speaker 3: the door on something and move on.
33:12
Speaker 1: I remember falling in love with movies as a young boy.
33:18
Speaker 1: We went to a lot of movies. It was my
33:20
Speaker 1: generation went to tons of movies. I remember seeing, you know,
33:23
Speaker 1: the Exorcist came out and I don't know, I was
33:27
Speaker 1: all of ten or eleven years old, and my mother
33:30
Speaker 1: was like, you're not going to see that film, and
33:32
Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm going to see that film. We're
33:34
Speaker 1: going with my Italian friend and he's going to wear
33:38
Speaker 1: a Crucifix. We're gonna be fine, don't worry about it.
33:41
Speaker 1: The devil can't get to us. And we were so
33:45
Speaker 1: terrified by that film because she she acquiesced and we
33:48
Speaker 1: went to the theater and she actually was sitting in
33:50
Speaker 1: the back of the theater, you know, just sort of
33:54
Speaker 1: watching us to see what anybody would pass out to
34:00
Speaker 1: protect you. Yeah, she wasn't buying it. So we ended
34:07
Speaker 1: up sleeping though there was three of us that went
34:09
Speaker 1: to see A three uh, my other friend Tommy, and
34:12
Speaker 1: we stayed at the Italian boys home that night. We
34:16
Speaker 1: slept on his floor in his living room floor and
34:19
Speaker 1: sleeping bags to be protected from from Satan because we
34:23
Speaker 1: were also freaked out from that film. And and I
34:29
Speaker 1: really must say that it is not a horror film,
34:33
Speaker 1: and it and it defined horror for me and my
34:36
Speaker 1: generation in a different way that horror is defined. It's
34:39
Speaker 1: really a film about the fear of a woman losing
34:44
Speaker 1: her little girl, and that's all it is. That's what
34:47
Speaker 1: it that's the that's the horror. And it's such a
34:50
Speaker 1: beautifully written and such a beautifully acted and beautifully directed film.
34:56
Speaker 1: And when I saw so, I was always fascinated with
34:59
Speaker 1: the power of film, and I didn't understand it was
35:01
Speaker 1: the It was really the writing that was the thing,
35:06
Speaker 1: because great writing is going to find a great director,
35:08
Speaker 1: is going to find great actors, going to find a
35:10
Speaker 1: great studio starts with the writing. So I see Altered States.
35:14
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the film, and I
35:17
Speaker 1: don't know what you think of Patachevsky, but I just
35:19
Speaker 1: felt I fell in love with acting because of that film,
35:25
Speaker 1: because of Hert's performance, because of the concepts behind what
35:30
Speaker 1: he was representing that entire world academia, and knowing that
35:38
Speaker 1: Chayevsky moved to Cambridge, lived there for three years and
35:44
Speaker 1: did his really did his research, I mean, really dug
35:47
Speaker 1: in it's it's it's very similar to how todd Field
35:52
Speaker 1: is now behaving. I just saw tar on their on
35:58
Speaker 1: the airplane and say what you want about the ending,
36:01
Speaker 1: but I thought, this is as well researched and and
36:04
Speaker 1: Toddfield has learned the language of classical music on a
36:09
Speaker 1: level of a Tchaievsky and level.
36:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, and well, I mean, one of the amazing things
36:16
Speaker 3: about Chaiovski is that like it wasn't just like it
36:20
Speaker 3: just feels like everything that he writes is like like,
36:24
Speaker 3: how can you know so intimately? So many things like
36:28
Speaker 3: how can you? And then like network and you're like what,
36:30
Speaker 3: like how did now you know?
36:32
Speaker 1: How? This?
36:32
Speaker 3: Like it just it was one thing. And he's an
36:35
Speaker 3: incredible writer. And I don't know if you've read Sydney
36:40
Speaker 3: Lumet's book Making Movies, which is one of my favorites.
36:44
Speaker 3: He has a lot of very very funny stories about
36:47
Speaker 3: Patty Chaowski having tantrums with the studio.
36:50
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I will, I will read it. I have
36:53
Speaker 1: not read that one. I've read most of them, but
36:54
Speaker 1: I have not. I will read that one.
36:56
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's like half memoir, like There's a
37:01
Speaker 3: great Thing where he very very very poorly disguised as
37:06
Speaker 3: the fact that Robert Redford wanted to play in the
37:10
Speaker 3: like the leader on the Verdict, and kept trying to
37:13
Speaker 3: like make the actor more virtuous and better and not
37:16
Speaker 3: an alcoholic and not mean, and then at some point
37:20
Speaker 3: he was like, no, that's a fire Redford, and just
37:22
Speaker 3: bring back Paul Newman. And it worked great. It's very funny.
37:26
Speaker 3: It's a really funny book.
37:29
Speaker 1: Will I will, I will. I'm on location, so I
37:31
Speaker 1: will have plenty of free time to read and I
37:33
Speaker 1: will read that one. Thank you for that recommendation. All right,
37:37
Speaker 1: so we'll have you back on after the strike is resolved.
37:40
Speaker 1: We can continue the conversation. You're a fascinating young man.
37:44
Speaker 1: Thank you, and then we can we can talk about
37:48
Speaker 1: some of your work maybe.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's it was a pleasure meeting you and me too,
37:53
Speaker 3: and yeah, thank you so much for having me.
37:56
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on.
37:57
Speaker 3: Yep, take care.
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