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10-09-26 - Avs HAMMER the Flames, Payton takes back playcalling/Sympathy for Webb/Playcalling autonomy · The Appetizer Hour with Brett Kane

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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back. And that is it from Calgary.
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  Speaker 2: The Avalanche doused the Flames in a big way, and
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  Speaker 2: they're back on track. Final score from the Scotiabank Saddledome.
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  Speaker 2: It's the Avalanche 7 and the Flames 3. Taves with 2,
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  Speaker 2: McCarr with 2, Schwartz with 2.
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  Speaker 3: Avs get back to their 7-goal pace as it's a
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  Speaker 3: Bud Light football Friday. We'll get to Sean Payton taking
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  Speaker 3: over play calling duties in a moment. Um, but the
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  Speaker 3: abs second day of a back to back second game
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  Speaker 3: of a back to back, they, uh, go on the
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  Speaker 3: road to Calgary. They get a big win because that's
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  Speaker 3: what the abs do. They always play well when you're
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  Speaker 3: on the second end of a back to back. Now
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  Speaker 3: you're playing against what I will almost guarantee you is
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  Speaker 3: the worst team in the league. That, that first period
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  Speaker 3: from the abs was one in which, uh, You looked
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  Speaker 3: like you played the night before. And I think a
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  Speaker 3: better team maybe takes more advantage of that. But Calgary
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  Speaker 3: just doesn't have the players. And you do. You get
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  Speaker 3: four goals from two defensemen in Cal McCarran, Devon Taves
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  Speaker 3: in that game. You get Jaden Schwartz who gets his
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  Speaker 3: second and third goals of the year. McKinnon on the
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  Speaker 3: board again. You just kind of took it to him
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  Speaker 3: in a way that once you, it kind of felt
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  Speaker 3: like once you're up three to one, the game was over.
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  Speaker 3: I know they got a couple cheapies in the third
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  Speaker 3: period when you were up 6-1 already, but whatever. That's
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  Speaker 3: exactly what should have happened yesterday. And I understand that
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  Speaker 3: playing on the second night of a back-to-back is always
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  Speaker 3: something difficult. But, I mean, that team is terrible. They're
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  Speaker 3: just awful. And Mosher mentioned it yesterday. If you look
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  Speaker 3: through their lines, their first line would be the Avs third.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's how far behind they are. And you
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  Speaker 3: play a team like Winnipeg, they might have only one
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  Speaker 3: line that really does the majority of their scoring for them,
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  Speaker 3: but at least that line's really good. I mean, Calgary
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  Speaker 3: is very clearly, and we are shutting down this year
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  Speaker 3: and tearing this thing, forget down to the studs, They're
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  Speaker 3: ripping out the concrete in the foundation and they're going
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  Speaker 3: to report after this year, but that's what you should
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  Speaker 3: do to a team like that. And when you are
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  Speaker 3: in the position, the abs are, which is you're still
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  Speaker 3: in go for it mode. You're still in championship mode.
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  Speaker 3: You believe you have a championship roster. You should win
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  Speaker 3: this game by at least four goals. And that's what
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  Speaker 3: they did last night. They took care of business. Another
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  Speaker 3: really solid game outside of the first period. It looked
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  Speaker 3: like they were a little bit lazy, and it looked
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  Speaker 3: like they knew they were playing against a bad opponent. So,
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  Speaker 3: the Avs go out. You get three different guys scoring
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  Speaker 3: two goals apiece. Got a fight from Svechkov, which was
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  Speaker 3: fun to see. I'm sorry, LaRue. LaRue. Gets in a
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  Speaker 3: fight for you. Always fun to see. Kind of like
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  Speaker 3: an even matchup. Couple of guys got some swings in.
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  Speaker 3: If I had to, like, check the till on who won,
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  Speaker 3: I think I'd give it to LaRue.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe I need to turn in my Avs
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  Speaker 4: fan card because I was talking to Chris Mitchell, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the producer of The Morning Sprint the other day. And
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  Speaker 4: I mentioned we were talking to.
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  Speaker 3: Bedsy, right?
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  Speaker 4: And he said that, and I pointed out a tweet
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  Speaker 4: someone posted made about our interview and said, like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this Le Harrier guy's gonna play. And I said, he's
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  Speaker 4: got this long French name. I'm still learning how to
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  Speaker 4: say it. It's like, Le Harrier. And Chris looks at
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  Speaker 4: me and he goes, that's Le Roux, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Le Roux?
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen his name spelled out? Yeah, the L
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  Speaker 4: apostrophe H.
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  Speaker 3: I will say H. How is that Le Roux? There's
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  Speaker 3: like 40 letters and an apostrophe.
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  Speaker 4: You can spell it with five.
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  Speaker 3: L-A-R-O-O.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Um.
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  Speaker 3: It is weird. It's weird on the eye. But I
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  Speaker 3: thought he looked great. You know, when you're going to
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  Speaker 3: get LLC back, unfortunately, his father passed away. So he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be out for a little bit longer. In
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  Speaker 3: which was, you know, we talked to to Betsy on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 3: And he said he was right around the corner from
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  Speaker 3: coming back. But then you get that news and it's
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  Speaker 3: just terrible. So he's going to be out for I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how long, but maybe a little bit longer here.
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  Speaker 3: And then he'll jump back in the lineup and you
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  Speaker 3: can start to see what this team looks like at
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  Speaker 3: full staff again. Now, I want to get to the
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  Speaker 3: Peyton stuff from yesterday. Sean Peyton doesn't do Thursday pressers,
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  Speaker 3: but he felt like he had to yesterday because of
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  Speaker 3: all of the rumors that were flying around about him
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  Speaker 3: taking over for play calling duty. And to be fair,
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  Speaker 3: we had a lot of different people saying a lot
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  Speaker 3: of different things. Vic had.
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  Speaker 3: Along with Stoke, some information on the word that they
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  Speaker 3: got was Sean Payton was fully taking over. That's what
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  Speaker 3: they got. Then we talked to guys like Jeff Legwald
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  Speaker 3: and there's other Broncos reporters around Denver that maybe got
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  Speaker 3: some mixed messaging from somewhere else that, well, he's not
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  Speaker 3: fully taking over, but he's taking a bigger role. Sean Payton,
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  Speaker 3: I think he knew they couldn't go out and send
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  Speaker 3: Davis Webb to that microphone yesterday without him being the
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  Speaker 3: one to clarify it. And this isn't all that different
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  Speaker 3: than what happened at CSU. You have basically stripped somebody
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  Speaker 3: of play calling duties. And look, you didn't fire them.
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  Speaker 3: but you took away what was the main aspect of
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  Speaker 3: their job, at least one of the key aspects of
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  Speaker 3: the job. But the offshoot conversations to this, I think,
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  Speaker 3: are so vast, and there's a million different things that
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  Speaker 3: we can discuss. Without just saying, without just saying, like,
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  Speaker 3: Moving forward, what is this going to look like? How
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  Speaker 3: can the offense be different? I think the more interesting
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  Speaker 3: stuff is how did we get to the point where
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  Speaker 3: he gave Davis Webb the play calling duties? So here's
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  Speaker 3: Adam Schefter. He was on PhD yesterday discussing this.
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  Speaker 7: I was told about it on Monday and nobody wanted
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  Speaker 7: to confirm it. You're told, but you need to confirm
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  Speaker 7: these things. I'm not just going to put it out. Like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 7: what's the deal? Right? And so three days of trying
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  Speaker 7: to reach people that were sidestepping calls and texts.
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  Speaker 3: It is what it is. Which probably told you everything
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  Speaker 3: you needed to know. So he said he heard about
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  Speaker 3: this on Monday, but couldn't confirm it. Now, here's what
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  Speaker 3: I'd say. I, Maybe I was naive in this. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: not maybe, I was. But I had this feeling that
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  Speaker 3: Davis Webb sticking around and becoming the man to call
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  Speaker 3: the plays, I thought part of this was because Sean
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  Speaker 3: Payton saw Davis Webb as like his protege. That, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, maybe I am getting a little long in
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  Speaker 3: the tooth. I can hand this off to this young
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  Speaker 3: guy who I can mold. He can become part of
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  Speaker 3: my coaching tree. I really like Davis Webb. He's got
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  Speaker 3: a good relationship with Bo Nix. I thought that's what
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  Speaker 3: was happening because I didn't think anything would be decreed
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  Speaker 3: to Sean Payton. I thought he had full ownership of
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  Speaker 3: this team in a way that even the actual owners
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  Speaker 3: of the team who have said on multiple occasions, We
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  Speaker 3: don't get involved in the football stuff. We give you
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  Speaker 3: the tools to do it. I now feel like this
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  Speaker 3: wasn't Sean Payton's decision at all, and he hated all
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  Speaker 3: of this. It now feels like he was told that
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  Speaker 3: Davis Webb, if you want to sign your contract extension,
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  Speaker 3: for $ 100 million, then we're going to keep this guy
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  Speaker 3: around because, to be fair, if you're thinking longer term,
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  Speaker 3: Sean Payton is 62 years old. You don't know how
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  Speaker 3: much longer he wants to do this. You've got a
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  Speaker 3: really young guy on staff that's getting a lot of
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  Speaker 3: love around the league. Well, let's make him your Josh McDaniels.
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  Speaker 3: The guy that's the OC that sticks around for five
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  Speaker 3: years doing this job and does it at a high level,
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  Speaker 3: and then he can take over when you decide to
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  Speaker 3: hang it up. Maybe that was the plan, and Sean
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  Speaker 3: Payton was pissed about it. I mean, Sean Payton said
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  Speaker 3: yesterday in his press conference, give me cut four, please, Nelly.
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  Speaker 3: Because this is about, you're 62 years old, but you're
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  Speaker 3: taking over play calling duties. How many great play callers
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  Speaker 3: exist at 62 and All these different things. And Sean
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  Speaker 3: Payton was defiant in his press conferences. He walked up
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  Speaker 3: like somebody that dropped his chandelier on the table and said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm back. Listen.
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  Speaker 6: I think I'm still one of them, right? That was
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  Speaker 6: a good storyline for you guys. It was because I
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  Speaker 6: honestly felt it was going to help us. Like, I
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't have done that. I wouldn't have done it if
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  Speaker 6: I didn't think. That's... how unique I think he is.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, it was, it was because I honestly thought
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  Speaker 6: standing back as the head coach, it would help us.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think he ever wanted
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  Speaker 3: to give this up. And I keep seeing this text,
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  Speaker 3: you know, gotten this probably 10 times between the show yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: And now to start the show this morning, The Meeko
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  Speaker 3: Ryans took over play calling duty. Oh, Dan Campbell did
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  Speaker 3: it last year. Guys, it's not even comparable. Dan Campbell
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  Speaker 3: didn't call the plays. Ben Johnson called the plays. They
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  Speaker 3: hired somebody new. The new guy didn't work. And so
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  Speaker 3: he's like, you know what? I'm taking over now. That's
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  Speaker 3: totally different than somebody who was calling the plays, decided
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  Speaker 3: to give them up to somebody who was already on staff,
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  Speaker 3: who a month later decided, I'm going to take it
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  Speaker 3: back now. It's not even comparable. Forget apples and oranges.
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  Speaker 3: This is apples and fire trucks, okay? Sean Payton deciding
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  Speaker 3: to do this, to take this away from Davis Webb.
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  Speaker 3: Think about this for a minute. If he really thought
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  Speaker 3: that Davis Webb would be good at this and he
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  Speaker 3: was the one to give Davis Webb the play sheet,
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't you give him one more week against a team
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  Speaker 3: that's 0-4? Wouldn't you do that? Because they know in
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  Speaker 3: that building, man, we are losing to the Chargers, not
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  Speaker 3: with five offensive linemen out. And the way that Herbert
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  Speaker 3: started to play and how many times he's been hit
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  Speaker 3: this year, we are losing to them. If you really
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  Speaker 3: wanted somebody to succeed, it's very simple. You'd give them
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  Speaker 3: at least this game. At least. But Sean Payton was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is mine again. I'm doing this. And it's just
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  Speaker 3: something that I think I just read incorrectly from the start.
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  Speaker 3: When they made this decision, I thought it was Sean
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  Speaker 3: making the decision, handing it to a protege. Turns out,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he had any say in this. I
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  Speaker 3: think he was told you have to do it. And
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  Speaker 3: then after four weeks, he went up and said, do
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  Speaker 3: you like what you see?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 3: Then why don't you give it back to me?
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  Speaker 1: I saw a lot of balls on the table.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying. I don't think with Sean Payton... And
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  Speaker 3: we mentioned this. Part of the thing about him giving
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  Speaker 3: up play-calling duties was he's such a control freak. Why
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  Speaker 3: at this stage in his career did he decide now
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  Speaker 3: is the time? I think he.
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  Speaker 3: Looks at coaching not just as being a head coach,
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  Speaker 3: but being the guy with the sheet over his mouth
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  Speaker 3: every Sunday. It's all he's done for two decades. And
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  Speaker 3: texture says, what happens to Davis Webb now? Does he
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  Speaker 3: stay on the sideline? I mean, yeah, he does the
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  Speaker 3: game planning all week and all that stuff. And then
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to Sundays, he's just, he's going to
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  Speaker 3: be support. But there's a lot more to this that
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  Speaker 3: we'll get to in a second as we broadcast from
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  Speaker 3: the back of St. Shanker Studios. Serious lawyers for the
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  Speaker 3: seriously injured on this Bud Light Football Friday back after this.
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  Speaker 3: I kept using a word yesterday that it is a
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  Speaker 3: Bud Light Football Friday. Bud Light, the official beer sponsor
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  Speaker 3: of the Denver Broncos. Remember to enjoy responsibly. I kept
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  Speaker 3: using a word yesterday when these rumors first started, then
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  Speaker 3: confirmed at 2 o'clock by Sean Payton. I use the
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  Speaker 3: word sympathetic, and I am sympathetic towards Davis Webb's situation.
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  Speaker 3: He was getting offers to be offensive coordinator in other places.
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  Speaker 3: He was getting head coaching interviews in other places. He
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  Speaker 3: turns those down, my assumption is, with the promise that
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  Speaker 3: if you come back to the Broncos, then you'll be
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  Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator and you'll call plays. Well, not really.
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  Speaker 3: My assumption is he's gone after this year. He's not
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  Speaker 3: going to stick around after this. He's never getting that
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  Speaker 3: play sheet back. I mean, they asked Peyton somewhere into
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  Speaker 3: that press conference. Do you think you're going to give?
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  Speaker 3: Is there any chance you give the play sheet back
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  Speaker 3: to Davis Webb? And what do you say if I'm
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  Speaker 3: not worth a hoot? That's him saying, yeah, eat me.
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  Speaker 3: This is mine. It's always been mine. It always should
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  Speaker 3: have been mine. And now it's mine again. So this
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  Speaker 3: is like kind of what happened before this decision. The
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  Speaker 3: other discussion is what now happens. And a texter asked
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  Speaker 3: the question, what if it still looks the same this weekend?
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  Speaker 3: Slow start, low scoring first half, reliance on hero ball
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the game. Who gets the blame?
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  Speaker 3: That's a very, very interesting question. But just so you
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  Speaker 3: guys can hear it, here's what Sean Payton said about, hey,
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  Speaker 3: would you ever give them back?
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  Speaker 6: We're focused on this week, so look, if I'm not
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  Speaker 6: worth a hoot, then it's always what's best for the team, honestly.
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  Speaker 6: And that's how I have to step away and look
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  Speaker 6: at it. And so I think we'll do what's best
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  Speaker 6: for the team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always what's best for the team, and I
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  Speaker 3: thought about it, and I sat back in my chair,
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  Speaker 3: spun around once, and decided, yeah, I think I'm the
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  Speaker 3: best one for the team.
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  Speaker 4: Sean Payton went to school in Illinois, right? Wasn't he
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  Speaker 4: an Eastern Illinois boy?
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  Speaker 3: I think he was, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, clearly he picked up some of that Midwestern vernacular
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  Speaker 4: because he goes, yeah, if I'm not a.
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  Speaker 3: Hoot, I'm not worth a hoot. If I'm not worth
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  Speaker 3: a hoot.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, quick tangent. This girl I dated in college, her
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  Speaker 4: dad was from Waukesha, Wisconsin. The amount of hoots he used.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't give two hoots about that.
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  Speaker 3: I got to say, it is the grossest accent that
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  Speaker 3: our country has to offer. Boston is bad. Like, deep
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  Speaker 3: Boston is bad. That one is, it hurts me. It
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  Speaker 3: hurts me.
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  Speaker 6: Look, if I'm not worth a hoot, then.
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  Speaker 3: But to the text of what happens if it looks
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  Speaker 3: the same, who gets the blame? First of all, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just going to be honest with you. I'm expecting it
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  Speaker 3: to look the same. What do you think is going
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  Speaker 3: to happen? This is going to explode for 30 points? Guys,
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  Speaker 3: we watched this last year. Now, Sean Payton has a
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  Speaker 3: chance to come in and look like the hero because
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  Speaker 3: he's not going to play against four of the best
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  Speaker 3: teams in the NFL. They have the Seahawks on a
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  Speaker 3: short week, but at least that game's at home. They
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  Speaker 3: have the Chiefs again in a couple weeks, but that
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  Speaker 3: game is also at home. Sean Payton is taking over
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  Speaker 3: at the time where the schedule starts to get way better.
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  Speaker 3: and way easier, and against way easier opponents.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, to.
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  Speaker 3: Me, the way in which Sean Payton takes over now
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  Speaker 3: and moves forward, here's what I expect. I expect the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos are going to win a lot of football games,
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  Speaker 3: and they're going to do it. By not scoring a
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  Speaker 3: ton of points and being really good in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's, I've seen it for two years. Why would
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  Speaker 3: I expect anything different? The ironic part is Sean Payton goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we know we got to get the run game going better.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, that's pretty rich coming from you.
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  Speaker 3: People have said that about him for two years. Like
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  Speaker 3: it does feel to me that Davis Webb was just
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  Speaker 3: a giant scapegoat. And here's what's funny. You know what
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos record last year through the first four weeks was?
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  Speaker 3: Two and two. Was the offense better? Slightly. But they
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  Speaker 3: played worse opponents. They played the worst team in the
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  Speaker 3: league last year. They played Tennessee to start the season.
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  Speaker 3: And they scored only 20 points and needed a fourth
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  Speaker 3: quarter score to win. All of this just felt like
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  Speaker 3: a waste of time. And I'm not expecting a seismic
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  Speaker 3: shift in really anything. Like, I just think that Davis
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  Speaker 3: Webb was done. dirty. That's what I think. And look,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not any Davis Webb hunk. I don't care what
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  Speaker 3: happens with him and his career. I'm just kind of
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  Speaker 3: telling you the way I read it. It felt like
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  Speaker 3: he might have had, I don't know if he got
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  Speaker 3: offers or not, but he might have had other opportunities elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: that he turned down because he said, hey, I get
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  Speaker 3: to take over for this team that I'm already familiar
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  Speaker 3: with in an offense that I'm already familiar with, with
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  Speaker 3: a quarterback I'm already familiar with, with a team that
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  Speaker 3: won 14 games last year that was a game away
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: from the Super Bowl, and I get to call plays? Yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: that's my best option. Let's do that. And then it
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was like, hey, we have a really tough start to
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the schedule. You've never called plays before. Any rational human
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: being would say, it's probably going to take a minute.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And then four games in to take it back, it just,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: it all feels like a gigantic waste of time. Now,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: to the bigger question of if it looks the same,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: which I kind of expect it to, who gets the blame?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: This is one of the rarest situations I think I've
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: ever seen in football in which quarterbacks and coaches are
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: pretty much tied at the hip. If team has success,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: But some things start to go awry. Who gets the
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: blame for it? It's almost always the coach. You don't
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: want to get rid of your quarterback and start over.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: But let me tell you this. Sean Payton called plays,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: then gave it to Davis Webb, then took back over.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: If this doesn't go well, Bo Nix is going to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: be at fault in this. And I'm not even saying
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: he shouldn't be. But this little maneuver feels like it's
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: made Sean Payton kind of Teflon. Because you can point
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: fingers now at, oh, well, we didn't have the slow
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: start to the year from Davis Webb. And then if
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix played better after that, then we, you know
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: what I mean? You know, there was a telling quote
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: from Bo Nix the other day. Where He was asked about,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: you know, are you going through reads too quickly? Because
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: that's what, look, the layman like me, who aren't X's
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: and O's football guys who just like to watch the
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: game every week, it feels a lot like he's just
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: not taking his time in the pocket. That he will
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: have a clean pocket and he won't wait for a
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: play to develop and he'll just check it down. Because
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: he's got an internal clock that says he has to
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: throw it by then. Instead of reading, hey, my guy's
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: got this thing covered. I'm in a clean pocket. Let's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: see if we can hit something downfield. He was asked
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: that question. And here's what he said.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Davis, Sean, Logan.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard that from them a whole lot this season. So,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: you know, that's all I'm really worried about. Maybe Sean
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Payton's like, you're going to hear it from me now.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: You're going to hear it from me every Sunday in
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: your ear. I don't know. The whole thing is weird.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: And let me ask you a question. It's a very
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: basic premise. Two and two, a 500 football team early
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: in a season. You can take that two different ways.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: There's good two and twos and there's bad two and twos.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: And I'll give you some examples. Um, When you look
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: around the NFL right now, and you check the standings,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and you see a team like, let's go with the Patriots.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Are the Patriots a good 2-2 or a bad 2-2?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: They're a bad 2-2. They've looked terrible on offense with
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the exception of one game. They did get a good
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: win in Buffalo, but that's a bad 2-2. The Eagles,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: good 2-2 or bad 2-2? That feels like a bad 2-2. Look,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: you've lost to two tough teams, but you've squeaked out
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: victories against the Commanders. You needed a touchdown with nine
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: seconds left to beat the Titans, and now your entire
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: team is dead? That's a bad 2-2. The Lions, 2-2.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: That's a bad 2-2. They've given up a billion points.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: They don't have a single player in their secondary that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: they feel like is, at this point, worthy of a
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: practice squad roster spot. That's bad. The Broncos 2-2 is
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: a good 2-2. You've beaten the Jags and you've beaten
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the Rams. Your losses are on the road in Kansas
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: City and on the road in San Francisco. That's a
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: good 2-2. But it feels like the sky is falling.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: And it's just a very weird reaction to me. We
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: all as a collective sort of said, if the Broncos
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: are 3-3 through the first six weeks, that you take that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: With what they were facing to start the season, that
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: you take it. And now we're reacting as if 2-2
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: is some sort of utter disappointment. And it's very, very strange.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And when you ask anybody else, does the offense look
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: all that different with Davis Webb than it did with
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Sean Payton? The answer is no. So again, I'm just
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: sitting here, I'm like, what was all this for? What
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: did we do this for? The Broncos seem to be
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: on pace with where they were last year. Or, I'm sorry,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: what we thought was going to happen before the season started.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Davis Webb in this offense was very slow and sputtery,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: which was no different than it was the year prior.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: The Broncos the year prior were also 2-2 through four games,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: and their offense didn't look great. I don't get it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: And at the same time, I'm not expecting a big
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: shift in anything. But the one thing I think this
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: does prove was Sean Payton didn't want this to happen
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: in the first place, and now he's taking over permanently.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: And the only way you can get rid of Sean
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Payton as a play caller is getting rid of Sean
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Payton entirely. So, 303-504-0925. And ironically, they're going to win
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: this weekend because they're playing against the Chargers.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: What if I'm not worth a hoot?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: The Chargers have an offensive line consisting of like four
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: rookies going into this weekend. Like, it's terrible.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: But a.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Lot of texts coming in saying the common denominator is Bo.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Tell me I'm wrong. I mean, Bo needs to be better.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I think we all acknowledge that. But I think there
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: is a definite world that exists a month from now
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: where people are all back on board the Bo Nix
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: train and they're going to pretend like they never got off.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: And I told you, I'm withholding judgment on Bo until
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: at least halfway through the year. I need, like, there
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: are trends, guys. Like, I don't play the stock market, okay?
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I don't understand how any stocks work. But I'm telling you,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: you play trends in the stock market. Go look at
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: the trends for Bo Nix. He starts slow every year.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: And then right around this time, his game elevates. Nothing,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: here's what's so funny. Big changes are being made and
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: people are saying very, very demonstrative things over the first
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: month of this season in a way like we haven't
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: seen this before. Like, this is surprising people. And I'm like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. You know, and going into this week
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: when I bring up that the Chargers are... Potentially starting
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: for rookie offensive backup offensive lineman. She says Khalil Benson
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: and Casey was a rookie.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And they used a running back or a tight end
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: to chip every single play to help him. And they
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: got out of the ball, got the ball out of
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Mahomes hands very, very quickly to the point to where
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: he didn't have a completion over 10 yards, air yards
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: in that game. You can try and do that for
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: one guy. Now, four. How many guys can ship for
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: four different offensive linemen?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Um....
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: The text says, Brett, you've been comparing offensive output from
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: this year to last year. It's time for the captain
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: to head the ship again.
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: Like....
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is this. The reason why I'm surprised
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: is because I expected this. I think most people did.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: You didn't lose, first of all. The Kansas City game
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: was weird. Because the offense was terrible, but the defense
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: was somehow even more terrible in that game. In week two, offense,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: still bad. But did what they always do. What they did,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: what did our drunk Eagles fans say? For the umpteenth time.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Most times.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: For the umps most times last year, that game was
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: played 12 different times last season, the Jags game. You
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: couldn't score, couldn't score, couldn't score. Oh, what is there like,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know, 11 minutes left in the game? Now
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: we'll score some touchdowns. The Rams game, same thing. Couldn't score,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: couldn't score, couldn't score 30 points in the second half.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: That's the Giants game where they put 33 up in
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: a quarter, the fourth quarter. I feel like my time
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: and mental energy has been wasted over the last like
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: six months for a decision that didn't have to be
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: made at all. For the ons most times. Exactly.
• 31:21
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• 31:23
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• 31:26
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• 31:28
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• 31:31
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• 31:34
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• 31:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Look, I've kind of given you what I think on this.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: And I see text, and I'm very confused. I feel
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: like I'm kind of on an island here. And the
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: reason why is none of this was unexpected from me.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm talking about on the field. And so the
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: decisions to make changes four weeks in do surprise me.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Because there's nothing that I saw in the first four
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: weeks against those opponents that would tell me, yeah, things
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: are out of whack. They look out of whack, I think, expectedly. Like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: did anybody think, and Texture makes a great point, it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: something that, like this, the problem here is with all
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: of the expectation, with all of this, is that the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: expectations are high. 97% of the roster has returned in
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: still the same issues. And he's right. The entire offense
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: from last year is back to this year with the
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: addition of Jalen Waddell. Jalen Waddell should have helped. He
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: did help. Was it the Jacksonville game in which he
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: had 100 yards or 100 and whatever yards?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: He has.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: But that whole thing about 97% returned. When you return
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: that much of your roster, which was a winning roster,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: but remember how they won. Why would you expect gigantic
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: changes in the offense when everybody from last year comes back?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Now you can assume progression. You can assume that in
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: year three, Bo is more comfortable in this and that,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: although he is coming off a couple of ankle surgeries.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: We can play that game. But even in the sense
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: of play calling duties given to somebody else, but it
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: was somebody that was already on staff that's going to
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: operate in the Sean Payton world and call Sean Payton plays.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: How much is really different? Again, that's where I talk
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: about the idea of autonomy. If you're going to give
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: up play calling duties, then give them up. If you're
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: just going to have another voice in a headset, why
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: should I expect anything to be different? And what's really funny, Nelly,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure you saw this too, How many times
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: last year did, or I guess in the offseason, when
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the news that Davis Webb was going to be the
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, when that broke, how many texts did we
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: see that said, Thank God! Get Sean Payton out!
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: And Scott Hastings sniffed that out a mile away. He
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: was calling for it at the beginning of last season.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: He wanted this move made before last season even started.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: But here's what's funny. You get the thank Gods, Sean
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Payton's not calling plays anymore. Sean Payton then yesterday says
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: he's taking play calling duties back over. And the response is,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: thank God. And I just feel like I'm living in
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: a simulation. There are so many things in so many
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: details about why the Broncos offense is not going. And
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: you can certainly point to quarterback and you would be correct.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix has to play better. But I'm going to trust,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: because I've seen this for two years, that as the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: season gets going, Bo Nix will start to play better.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: The biggest way you can help Bo Nix is to
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: have an effective running game. Effective. The first game in
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Kansas City, there was a complete and total lack of
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: commitment to it. Kansas City game, was atrocious in terms
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: of just giving carries to your backs. I mean, they
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: had 12 carries to the running backs in a game
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: that was essentially a one score game up until the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: end of the third quarter. That was an egregious example.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Every other game, it's felt like he's tried to make
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: a commitment to the running game, but the running games
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: just stunk. And my fear is, I know J.K. Dobbins
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: is trying to play through an injury right now. I
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's the reason why his yards per
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: carry is three and a half. Or if it's because
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: he's just cooked. I don't know which one it is yet.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: And I would be, I'm very, very concerned that if
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: This is just the stage of J.K. Dobbins' career, like
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of running backs, where it's just like, oh,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have it anymore. What's your alternative? Yeah, we
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: can take a call. That's fine. Let's get out to
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Tyson on the Ramos Law Hotline. Hi, Tyson.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Hey, J.K., how you doing, man?
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: What's up, brother?
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Hey, man, there was something I wanted to talk to
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: you guys a couple weeks ago about, and it was
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: about the offense and what is really frustrating to me.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: It seems like everything in the playbook, and this goes
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: back to Sean Payton, apparently, because they're calling the same plays, obviously.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Everything's a hitch. Everything's a comeback. Everything's a screen. Everything's
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: a curl outside the numbers to the sideline. So it's
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: like there's no plays that are potentially even explosive. The
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: only time you get anything explosive is Even when they
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: pass the ball down the field, it's often a back
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: shoulder pass, which does not allow for catch and run
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: in most cases. It's catch it and get tackled back.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: So that's really frustrating. There's never, like, a throw over
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: the middle. I don't know if that's not being called,
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: or Bo is just scared to death to throw over
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: the middle. And then there's never, you know, you see
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: other teams do these super hot seam passes to the
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: tight end right down the middle of the field. You
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: never see that. And then the last thing I'll say
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: is it's just like nothing is ever– no plays are
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: ever made with the potential to then– explode even when
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: he hits the quick slant over the middle yeah he
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: hits he hits the receiver before they get to the
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: defensive backs he never allows for time on that that
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: slant over the middle to get past the defensive back
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: to the open window over the field i said i
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: just wanted to share that.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Tyson it's a good call so i'd say a couple
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: things from what you mentioned number one um Bo Nix
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: throwing over the middle has been a problem now for
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: three straight years. He has a hesitancy to do it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know why that is. I don't know if
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: he can't quite see over the middle very well or
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: if he's just nervous because that's where traffic is. I
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: know he's hesitant to throw the ball into tight windows. Now,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: make no mistake, Bo Nix in the past, not so
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: much this year, he's pushed the ball downfield. We've seen it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: It feels like it's either I'm going to take the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: dump off or I'm going to throw a ball 40
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: yards in the air downfield and hope we make a play. Now,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of times it doesn't work. I mean, you
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: know how many clips we've seen of him like missing
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Troy Franklin by a step or two way downfield. So
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: the middle has always been a problem. But here's where
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I could say Sean Payton can help. What didn't feel
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: like was happening to me was Davis Webb was not
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: calling plays to set up plays later in the game.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: You know, for example, if you're hitting guys, which it
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: was the Rams game, the Rams are hitting out routes out, out, out, out.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Then they hit you with an out and up. Well,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: they're setting that up early in the game to try
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: and hit you later. And that's exactly what happened. Broncos
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: take the lead. And the Rams respond immediately with an
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: out and up that results in a big touchdown for
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: like 50 yards because that was set up earlier in
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: the game. I don't think Davis Webb was doing that.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: And maybe Sean Payton being the experienced play caller he
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: is helps in that department. And that's an area I
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: think he could do better. But I get it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: It's.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I think Sean Payton is in a position where he
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: can set up to look like the hero here. Oh,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: the offense was terrible and now they're better. Well, I
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: think better opponents, or I'm sorry, better opponents early matter
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: in that sense. But yeah, it's going to be a
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: really interesting week and really couple of weeks with this
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: game Sunday and then heading into Thursday on a short week.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: So 303-504-0925. I just realized, Nelly, we didn't leave enough time.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: We can't do it. I'm going to make you sing
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: later in the show. Here's what we're going to do.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Because Mosher's only going to be on for like an
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: hour today and we got to do lay it down,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: we'll do Brady and his bets in the place where
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Mosher's Lay it down, should be. We'll do it in
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: the 9 o'clock hour today. Too much of the Avs
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: and Sean Payton. As the Avs put up another 7th
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: spot last night, they get the win. Sean Payton takes
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: over play calling duties four weeks into the year. We'll
• 41:41
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• 41:44
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