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SPECIAL WEEKEND CRIME STORIES UPDATE: Motive Revealed in Vanessa Guillen's murder? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does the name Vanessa gain
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Speaker 1: ring a bell I certainly hope so, because it's a
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Speaker 1: name and a face. I will never forget Vanessa again,
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Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful on the inside and out. I've met with
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Speaker 1: her family and they are devastated. She was murdyerred at
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Speaker 1: US Army Base Fort Hood, her body found buried and
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Speaker 1: dismembered about thirty miles away. But why, I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation. In serious X one eleven, the
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Speaker 1: dismemberment of her body, the attempts to burn her body
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Speaker 1: or so gruesome, And as it turns out, we are
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Speaker 1: now learning motive as to why a fellow officer, Aaron Robinson,
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Speaker 1: and his married girlfriend Aguilar, why they did what they did. Now, remember,
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Speaker 1: the state never has to prove a motive. It's not
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Speaker 1: up to prosecutors to go inside the mind of the
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Speaker 1: killer and determine why. The prosecutor's role, their duty is
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Speaker 1: to prove who did it, where, what jurisdiction and generally
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Speaker 1: when and that that action violated the criminal code. But
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Speaker 1: why is much more murky. Although in the last days
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Speaker 1: we are now learning exact motive for the murder of
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Gean. Also in the last days, Vanessa Gean's family
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Speaker 1: has filed a multi million dollar lawsuit, a thirty five
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Speaker 1: million dollars lawsuit for damages. The suit filed against the Army.
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Speaker 1: The suit claims Vanessa again suffered mental anguish, fear, emotional distress,
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Speaker 1: physical injury, and death as a result. I've repeated sex harassments, rape,
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Speaker 1: sodomy and physical assault. Oh what this girl lived through.
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Speaker 1: And it always hurts me because I know that as
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Speaker 1: a little girl, she dreamed of going in the army.
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Speaker 1: She wanted to be a Gi Jane. Now, the Army's
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Speaker 1: not commenting on this lawsuit, but the lawsuit filed by
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Speaker 1: the family and her mother and sister are two of
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Speaker 1: the nicest people I have ever met. The lawsuit details
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Speaker 1: how Vanessa was sex harassed by higher ranking soldiers and
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Speaker 1: how the Army initially failed to address her repeat reports
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Speaker 1: of sex harassment and FYI for your information, it's the
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Speaker 1: first lawsuit filed under this new Ninth Circuit decision to
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Speaker 1: allow other victims of sex assault to have hope, but
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Speaker 1: to also find the military accountable for what seems to
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Speaker 1: be a sex harassment epidemic. When I think back on
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Speaker 1: Vanesse again joining the Army back in twenty eighteen, she
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Speaker 1: was fresh out of high school and so excited to
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Speaker 1: start a career with the army, and she says she
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Speaker 1: wanted to protect quote our nation and her family. Oh
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Speaker 1: the court documents, which are very upsetting outline how by
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, that's just two years later, her behavior had changed.
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Speaker 1: She would call her older sister crying, telling her she
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Speaker 1: wanted to commit suicide, but she wouldn't explain why. The
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Speaker 1: sister says the family couldn't understand why Vanessa was not
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Speaker 1: the happy young person we all knew, And it wasn't
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Speaker 1: until weeks later Gain opened up about her life with
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Speaker 1: the Army. She told her mom she was being sex
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Speaker 1: harrassed by higher ups in the chain of command and
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Speaker 1: she was afraid to speak out. Oh Man. Then, during
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Speaker 1: a fuel training exercise back in September twenty nineteen, the
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Speaker 1: soldier spent a weekend in battle simulations. She was, I believe,
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Speaker 1: taking a shower when a higher up conducting the platoon's
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Speaker 1: perimeter check trained the lights on her to watch her
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Speaker 1: taking a shower. Those encounters were not by any means
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Speaker 1: an accident. Now Here is a young woman trying to
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Speaker 1: protect her country and fulfill her lifelong dream, and she
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Speaker 1: has to be sex harrassed. In the end she ends
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Speaker 1: up being murdered. For those of you that don't recall
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Speaker 1: the facts of the case, take a listen. This is
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Speaker 1: a sad update from Texas Equisearch. They tell us they
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Speaker 1: are suspending their search efforts for the missing soldier from
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Speaker 1: Houston after what was discovered there near the Leon River
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Speaker 1: in Bell County. Tim Miller described it as a shallow grave.
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Speaker 1: It's you know, believed to be her pinning positive identification,
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Speaker 1: which they happen. The search for thees is now over
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Speaker 1: as old there was a shallow graves or rocks covered
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Speaker 1: the graves and stuff, and then if you know, for
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Speaker 1: the three days after you disappear at Raine, so everything
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Speaker 1: just looked natural. You're hearing the voice of our long
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Speaker 1: time friend and colleague Tim Miller of Equasearch, who is
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Speaker 1: with us now along with an all star panel of guests,
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Speaker 1: including crime victim turned crusader Tim Miller. Tim tell us,
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Speaker 1: in as much detail as you can what happened. Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know what we've found them. You know I've been
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Speaker 1: saying we found some evidence and we knew it was
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Speaker 1: evidence connected to Vanessa's disappearance, and uh it's and the
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Speaker 1: evidence was burned, but there was some of it that
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Speaker 1: did not burn and we knew immediately it was evidence.
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Speaker 1: We actually dug believe it or not, Nancy. It was
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Speaker 1: only three feet away and the where the shallow grave
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Speaker 1: was at. We were actually standing on top of a a
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Speaker 1: little Vanessa's body. The Texas Rangers were there, the military,
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Speaker 1: CID CODEY were dogs, and what a job they did
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Speaker 1: on concealing her body and what had happened. We actually
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Speaker 1: was starting to search again this morning, so we had
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Speaker 1: members up here yesterday and we was out there to
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Speaker 1: seem too well after dark and I was actually right
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Speaker 1: at that scene just three days ago and really looking
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Speaker 1: at some things, and I just knew she had to
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Speaker 1: be somewhere closer. What was it a gut instinct? What
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Speaker 1: led you? You've been telling me that for days? What
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Speaker 1: led you to say that? We got a lot, a
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Speaker 1: lot of information and the witness came forward and talked
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Speaker 1: about something that he saw. We found what this witness saw, mc,
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Speaker 1: can you tell us what he thought he saw? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I get my hands flapped out. I
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Speaker 1: don't care at this point in time, as far as
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned us over with somebody actually seemed somebody in
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Speaker 1: one of them big pelican cases about three foot by
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Speaker 1: three foot with them big plastic cases, and he was
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Speaker 1: really struggling to go ahead and get this into his vehicle.
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Speaker 1: After witness came forward, they had enough information to go
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Speaker 1: ahead and go to a judge. And so we actually
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Speaker 1: got the phone record person went how long he was
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Speaker 1: there and everything. Hold on just a moment. I want
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Speaker 1: to tell everybody what you're talking about. A pelican case.
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Speaker 1: I have four of them, and on the front is
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Speaker 1: a name Nancy, John, David, Lucy and David. Usually really
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Speaker 1: heavy plastic containers and you can close it with a
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot that you just pull up to
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Speaker 1: open and open it up and Trent, you know, you
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Speaker 1: can stuck it full of stuff. And they come annually,
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Speaker 1: big like plastic storage chest that you open and close
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Speaker 1: and can latch to keep it secure. A witness exists
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Speaker 1: that saw a man struggling to lift a pelican case
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Speaker 1: into his vehicle, and then we actually yes, yes, then
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Speaker 1: and then we actually found a burn pile when we
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Speaker 1: was out there, and probably about forty percent of the
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Speaker 1: lid of that pelican case did not burn. So when
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Speaker 1: we found that, it was like, oh my god, she
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Speaker 1: has to be in this area. Where was the burn pit?
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller, right beside the Leon River where we was
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Speaker 1: concentrating non searching. U My biggest fear Nancy was Addy
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Speaker 1: threw her in the river and that maybe she would
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Speaker 1: never ever been found. So when you saw that half
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Speaker 1: burned pelican case, what went through your mind? We knew
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Speaker 1: that it was going to take far more in a
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Speaker 1: miracle for her to be found alive and returned home.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe Tim that based on the evidence that
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Speaker 1: we're learning now, Well, let me ask a couple of
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Speaker 1: pointing questions. The witness, if the witness is accurate, sees
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Speaker 1: a man struggling to lift a pelican case, a black
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Speaker 1: heavy duty plastic container with a lid into his vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Where did he the witness see that? On the base?
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Speaker 1: Could how could the army not figure that out? The
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Speaker 1: armory at the armory in the parking lot outside of
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Speaker 1: where she came out of the armory where she was
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Speaker 1: working that armory, So she had to be either killed
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Speaker 1: or kidnapped on the base. She was a very extremely
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Speaker 1: physical fit, physically fit, isn't that true? Natalie Kawan, the
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Speaker 1: attorney for Vanessa Gein's family. She was in top shape.
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Speaker 1: She's a private first class in the Army. She runs
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Speaker 1: all the time, and her superior sergeant called her in
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Speaker 1: off her day off. So I think she would have
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Speaker 1: had to have been dead when she was putting that
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Speaker 1: container she unless she was drugged. I don't see he
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Speaker 1: could overpower her without making such a ruckuss everybody around
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Speaker 1: him could hear. What was the state of her physical fitness, Natalie, Well,
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Speaker 1: she was super fit. Um, you know we said she was.
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Speaker 1: She was a big runner, she played soccer. She was
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Speaker 1: working out in the gym all the time. I had
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Speaker 1: videos of her just lifting some serious weights. She was
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Speaker 1: gonna go for I hyke that afternoon too. You really
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Speaker 1: have to that had to be either struggles or like
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Speaker 1: you said, some kind of a weapon or some kind
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Speaker 1: of drugs. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The family of
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Speaker 1: this incredible woman Army specialist Vanessa again will never have
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Speaker 1: peace after her brutal murder and dismemberment, But in the
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Speaker 1: last days they have filed a thirty five million dollar
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Speaker 1: lawsuit against the US Army for the sex harassment, the rape,
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Speaker 1: and ultimately the murder of their girl, their sister, Vanessa Gean.
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Speaker 1: What really happened? A beautiful twenty year old private first
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Speaker 1: class out of Furthood, Vanessa again her allegations that she
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Speaker 1: had been sex harassed by her superior. The Army says
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Speaker 1: they don't have any credible evidence of that. Well, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I'm sitting here a thousand miles away, and
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Speaker 1: I know about multiple statements she gave regarding that. To you,
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Speaker 1: Natalie Kawen, you're the lawyer for Vanessa's family, who is
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Speaker 1: grief stricken. I spoken to her sister earlier, and her
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Speaker 1: sister so distraught in the search for Vanessa. How can
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Speaker 1: they say they didn't know about the sex harassment? How
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Speaker 1: can they send out a piece of paper as a
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Speaker 1: press release? I don't get it. Well, let me just
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Speaker 1: tell you. I spoke to my clients, and I spoke
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Speaker 1: to I contacted the big attorneys there, and I had
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Speaker 1: it out with them. I said, how is it that
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Speaker 1: I find out and my client find out information from
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Speaker 1: the media before they find out from the CID and
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Speaker 1: from the base himself. It is so pathetic that you
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Speaker 1: have kept us in the darkest whole time. And it's
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Speaker 1: funny how you guys have loose lips on the base,
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Speaker 1: but you don't have the dignity to call my clients
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Speaker 1: and give them the information that they begged for for months.
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Speaker 1: And I said, this is definitely we are demanded a congressionalvestication.
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Speaker 1: I want everyone to be held acca for this mishandling
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Speaker 1: of a case and a soldier's life. Natalie, I am
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Speaker 1: so taken aback right now by what I think you
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Speaker 1: just said, because that was that was a lot of information.
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Speaker 1: You're am I understanding that Vanessa's family found out that
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Speaker 1: her remains had been found through the media. That's correct,
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Speaker 1: Nancy cannot break in for one minute, Tim Miller, I
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Speaker 1: could just I just can't believe that before Crime Online
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Speaker 1: or any of us reported it. We asked, before we
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Speaker 1: report this, does the family know? And we were told
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Speaker 1: by an unnamed source, yes, the family knows, Tim Miller,
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Speaker 1: I cannot believe the way the family. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to circle back with you, Tim about all the evidence,
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Speaker 1: but I just you know, Tim, I was getting chills
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Speaker 1: right now because I remember how I found out my
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Speaker 1: fiance was in fact dead, he had been murdered. And
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Speaker 1: it was not over the six o'clock news. I was
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Speaker 1: told in person. And you know, Tim, you've been there.
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Speaker 1: You lost your daughter. God rest her soul. This is
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Speaker 1: just the way this family has been treated from the beginning,
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Speaker 1: having to beg for answers, the sister driving to Fort
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Speaker 1: Hood trying to get answers and being stowalled. I'm just
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Speaker 1: sick about it. Tim, I mean, I know you you
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Speaker 1: are a crime victim. Can you imagine what this family
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Speaker 1: has gone through with all the bs they've been getting
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Speaker 1: from Hood? Fancy. I was driving up here yesterday Anne
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Speaker 1: Mayra called me up. The sister called me up and
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Speaker 1: she said, mister Miller, what have you heard? And I said,
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Speaker 1: may Or, has anybody called you? And she said, no,
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Speaker 1: please tell me what's going on? Oh lord, I'm choked
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Speaker 1: up now. As one of the saddest calls I've ever
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Speaker 1: made in my life. And I said, I I can't
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Speaker 1: tell you exactly. I only remained south to me to
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Speaker 1: ask me. No military nobody had called her. She called
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Speaker 1: and said, mister Miller, please tell me what is going on.
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing the stuff from the media. Why was her
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Speaker 1: life worth nothing to Fort Hood? Why is that because
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Speaker 1: she's a woman and it's just not as important? I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Is it because she's Hispanic? Is it because
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Speaker 1: they thought she may file a six harassment claim? Why?
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Speaker 1: Why have they acted like this from the get go?
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Speaker 1: You know what? That's that's a whole other can of
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Speaker 1: war for us to figure out, and it's a can
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Speaker 1: of stinking fish. I want to get back to what
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Speaker 1: we know now. I am getting information right now, Olivia
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Speaker 1: Leveda k XXV TV that a member of the military
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Speaker 1: at Fort Hood has just died by pulling a gun
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Speaker 1: and shooting himself. Now, police are not specifying what case
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Speaker 1: this guy is connected to. But I mean, I'm not
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Speaker 1: a rocket scientist, but I know that two or two
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Speaker 1: equals four. What do you know, Olivia Leveda? And the
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Speaker 1: last hours we learn a potential suspect has shot himself dead. Olivia, Yes, so, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is everything we've been told so far. We know
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Speaker 1: that US marshals and the Killeen Police Department, which is
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Speaker 1: a city just outside of Fort Hood, they assisted investigators
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Speaker 1: with the Fort Hood CID and one of their criminal
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Speaker 1: cases early Wednesday morning. Today, officials also saying that just
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Speaker 1: before one thirty am, the officers located this suspect, and
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Speaker 1: they say that the officers attempted to make contact with
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Speaker 1: the suspect and he displayed that weapon and discharged it
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Speaker 1: towards himself. As you said, at this point, we had
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Speaker 1: not been told if this criminal case was in reference
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Speaker 1: to Vanessa. Also to Natalie Kawan, the lawyer for the
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Speaker 1: Vanessagian family, Natalie, I think you may have information on
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Speaker 1: the shooting as well. What do you know? Yeah, sure,
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Speaker 1: I just got word that it is the suspect to
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Speaker 1: him that we suspected, speciot himself. They have video of
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Speaker 1: him shooting himself and that's what happened. They called a
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Speaker 1: bolo last night. He was seen running off the base.
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Speaker 1: I mean if his breaking news right now we speak,
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Speaker 1: seen running off base which shorts, you know, his army
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Speaker 1: shorts on, and they chase them and then he shout
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Speaker 1: himself in the parking lot. I wonder if it was
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Speaker 1: the same parking lot where he apparently kidnapped or put
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Speaker 1: a dead body of Vanessa Gem in a storage container.
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Speaker 1: Joseph's got Morgan with me Professor Forensics, Jacksonall State, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and Tim Miller
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Speaker 1: Texas Equisearch, who actually sees the evidence. Is there on
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Speaker 1: the scene when this young girl's body is found buried
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Speaker 1: in a shallow gray covered with rocks, and that tells
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Speaker 1: me somebody took a lot of time to cover up
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Speaker 1: her body. How did they get away with that? How
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Speaker 1: did they get away with putting her dead or unconscious
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Speaker 1: body and a plastic storage container. Tim Miller or Texas Equisearch,
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Speaker 1: who has been searching for Vanessa from the beginning, please
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Speaker 1: describe what you saw. Well, when we found the evidence again, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that that Pelican case. We knew it was evidence. We
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Speaker 1: dug under it and he tried to burn it. And
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Speaker 1: it's one of the trees that burn it burnt branches
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Speaker 1: and leaves off the tree fifteen foot high. Why nobody
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Speaker 1: saw it? Oh wait, wait, wait, Tim, will you say
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Speaker 1: that again? That's really interesting to me. Yeah, we found
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Speaker 1: the burn pile and leaves that branches were burnt about
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Speaker 1: fifteen high, fifteen feet up in the tree. So why
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Speaker 1: not some big bonfire? Question? Tim? How far away from
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Speaker 1: Fort Hood is this twenty six miles twenty six miles. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, and a mixed concrete. They actually had concrete.
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Speaker 1: They mixed up concrete. They dug the grave. They put
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Speaker 1: some lime in the grave. They went ahead and poured
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Speaker 1: concrete over top of it, put dirt over that, put
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Speaker 1: rocks over top of that. No, they spent time. They
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Speaker 1: spent time. And I noticed that you're saying they Natalie Kawana,
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Speaker 1: lawyer for Vanessa Gain's family. Isn't it true? There's more
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Speaker 1: than one suspect. That's correct. Sorry, that's correct. There's one
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Speaker 1: in custody right now, and the other one's just shot
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Speaker 1: himself last night running on foot. Amazing to me, which
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Speaker 1: is a whole other can of worms for our shrink
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall to go into. I mean, as much
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Speaker 1: as I love Jackie here in the CEF, she said, hey,
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Speaker 1: can you help me get rid of a body? Oh no,
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Speaker 1: but that aside. Back to the evidence, Joe Scott, They
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Speaker 1: the suspects came prepared with lime to decompose the body
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Speaker 1: even more quickly to gravel. Go ahead, yeah, and that
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Speaker 1: they're gonna prepare this and create almost like a vault,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of a hastily made vault, and why
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Speaker 1: would you do that? Well, if anybody knows anything about
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Speaker 1: digging a grave or digging a hole in the ground,
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Speaker 1: one of the things that happened and says, when you
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Speaker 1: disrupt that soil, you create a natural depression, well, an
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Speaker 1: unnatural depression and otherwise tightly compressed soil is seeking re
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Speaker 1: mind that soil out of fort hood that area out there,
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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a clay based sand and it's
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Speaker 1: very very firm, tightly compact, and so it's going to
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Speaker 1: leave a hole. It'll be noticeable. So my thought is
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Speaker 1: they had an awareness of this Nancy, They're gonna mix
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Speaker 1: up concrete out there and try to form this over
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Speaker 1: her body to encapsulate her body. But this is a
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Speaker 1: thing that's kind of key to me because this is
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Speaker 1: something that has been coming up over and over and
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Speaker 1: over again. It's the word shallow. If you're going to
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Speaker 1: go to all this trouble, why dig a shallow grave
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Speaker 1: in order to facilitate where they rushed, you know, in
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Speaker 1: this where they just trying to get out of there.
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Speaker 1: In my experience and having worked thousands of cases, is
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Speaker 1: that the line share of people in general public are
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Speaker 1: not used to dealing with dead bodies, and so they
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Speaker 1: get in the middle of this thing, and I guess
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Speaker 1: you hadn't lifted a dead body. It's so hard to
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Speaker 1: lift a dead body. Was trying to was struggling right
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Speaker 1: there in the parking lot, in front of God and
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Speaker 1: everybody to put the Pelican case. Tim Miller's telling us
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Speaker 1: about into the vehicle, and I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: this because this is going to affect your analysis taken.
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Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at ABC DPS. Sergeant Brian Washco
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Speaker 1: spoke earlier about what led investigators back to this location
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Speaker 1: that they searched on June at twenty second throughout the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Throughout the course investigation, more information was received which led
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Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers, who are assisting the us RMYCID. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the CID was there, but as you hear from Tim Miller,
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Speaker 1: a civilian spotted one of the perps struggling to get
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Speaker 1: a black Classic container in a car in a vehicle.
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Speaker 1: That container was found half burned. Tim Miller saw it
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Speaker 1: and is there at the time of the discovery of
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Speaker 1: Vanessa's body. But a civilian smells a foul odor. According
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Speaker 1: to our friends. You were just hearing nikkilat Rulo at
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Speaker 1: case NTV. What about it? Just continue your analysis. Hey, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know they showed up prepped and and they're gonna
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Speaker 1: dig a shallow grave. And what Tim was talking about
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Speaker 1: is curious as well. After after her body is deposited here,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to call her her, I want to
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Speaker 1: say Vanessa. After Vanessa's body was buried in this you
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Speaker 1: know throw together that they had, then they're gonna go
24:49
Speaker 1: and you know Tim talked about a burnpile. Uh, They're
24:52
Speaker 1: gonna try to burn this Pelican case. I've got a
24:54
Speaker 1: Pelican case as well. These things are robust, Nancy, as
24:58
Speaker 1: you well know, and they're meant they're sealed in order
25:01
Speaker 1: to prevent water and moisture to get in there. So
25:05
Speaker 1: that again goes to the mindset of these people. They
25:08
Speaker 1: know that they're using this case in order to transport
25:11
Speaker 1: a body. Well, what are you going to leave behind
25:13
Speaker 1: the case? Well, you're going to leave behind trace evidence.
25:15
Speaker 1: So they had awareness of this. Why are you going
25:17
Speaker 1: to go to all this trouble to burn this valuable case? Well,
25:21
Speaker 1: because you know that it's two and two together. If
25:23
Speaker 1: you show up with this thing in your possession. You know,
25:27
Speaker 1: the cops going to examine it, so that again goes
25:29
Speaker 1: to motive. But getting the body off post. Now, I'm
25:33
Speaker 1: an old soldier, Nancy, and I do know this about
25:36
Speaker 1: the army, and I learned this when I first went
25:38
Speaker 1: in at eighteen years of age. Right way, wrong way,
25:42
Speaker 1: Army way, and the Army has a way of doing things,
25:45
Speaker 1: and they are a closed society. Now are closed culture.
25:49
Speaker 1: Like you know, Vanessa worked what we common refer to
25:54
Speaker 1: as an armorer. That means that she repaired small arms.
25:58
Speaker 1: And this is not you know, if you go into
25:59
Speaker 1: the armory at at a post, this is a highly
26:03
Speaker 1: secured area. That's what's so striking to me about this.
26:07
Speaker 1: It's a highly secured area because, look, you keep small
26:10
Speaker 1: arms in there, you know, you know, contrary to what
26:12
Speaker 1: people think, soldiers don't just walk around with their firearms
26:15
Speaker 1: or where their weapons. They have to take them in,
26:18
Speaker 1: store them in the armory, all right, and then you
26:21
Speaker 1: come out and you take them from the armory. And
26:24
Speaker 1: there's very little people who are allowed, as we used
26:27
Speaker 1: to say, on the other side of the counter in
26:29
Speaker 1: the armory because you've got deadly weapons in there. So
26:32
Speaker 1: that means to me, particularly in this day and age,
26:35
Speaker 1: that their security on that area, the Army knows what's
26:39
Speaker 1: going on. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they
26:42
Speaker 1: had CCTV that is going to account for her location
26:48
Speaker 1: those moments immediately when she entered the armory and then
26:52
Speaker 1: when she left and well, yeah, what about calling Muster
26:56
Speaker 1: when you they said she absolutely was there, and she was,
27:01
Speaker 1: but she wasn't. She was gone. It's just it's striking
27:05
Speaker 1: to me that you can miss this young soldier like this,
27:10
Speaker 1: that she is allowed her remains And this is the
27:13
Speaker 1: key as well. I don't know she was alive or
27:16
Speaker 1: deceased when she rolled off of Fort Hood. Did they
27:21
Speaker 1: kill her on post or did they take her off?
27:24
Speaker 1: And Tim Miller joining us from Texas, EQUI search first
27:30
Speaker 1: him if you could, based on what you know now,
27:33
Speaker 1: answer that question was she did when she was surreptitiously
27:39
Speaker 1: taken off Fort Hood? And if you could describe for
27:44
Speaker 1: those just joining us what you observed at the discovery
27:48
Speaker 1: of Vanessa's body. Well, my theory is, and I think
27:52
Speaker 1: everybody she was killed inside the armory. I think she
27:55
Speaker 1: was killed earlier that morning inside the armory came back
27:59
Speaker 1: about a thirty that night. That's when somebody spotted him
28:03
Speaker 1: with that pelican case. So she apparently could have been
28:07
Speaker 1: in that pelican case for ten hours inside the armory somewhere.
28:11
Speaker 1: The one of the sad things yesterday out out in
28:15
Speaker 1: a sight, Nancy, is when they did get to and
28:19
Speaker 1: that's his little body out there there was. She was
28:22
Speaker 1: still covered in concrete. It was a mold. So what
28:26
Speaker 1: they did is they put the concrete her little body
28:29
Speaker 1: that was still molded in the concrete in the body bag. Jim,
28:34
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take in what you just said.
28:37
Speaker 1: So the killer poured wet cement directly onto Vanessa. She
28:46
Speaker 1: was molded in the concrete. They had to take the concrete.
28:50
Speaker 1: Was her little body in the concrete. You know what
28:53
Speaker 1: I'm going to say something that was never allowed for
28:56
Speaker 1: me to say, the juries. You can never under the
29:01
Speaker 1: law put a jurar in the place in the shoes
29:04
Speaker 1: of the crime victim. Think about it. Do you have
29:09
Speaker 1: a mom, a daughter, sister. Vanessa was just twenty years old,
29:18
Speaker 1: and now her body is found in a shallow grave
29:23
Speaker 1: with concrete literally poured onto her skin to conceal her identity.
29:45
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. In addition to a thirty
29:49
Speaker 1: five million dollar lawsuit being filed by Vanessa Again's family
29:54
Speaker 1: against the Army for all that she endured in her
29:57
Speaker 1: years in the army, we now are hearing about the
30:01
Speaker 1: exact motive, motive behind Vanessa Gin's murder. Now, this is
30:08
Speaker 1: what we're learning, and we're getting it from the horse's mouth. Now,
30:12
Speaker 1: this is from the Texas Department of Public Safety and
30:16
Speaker 1: it was filed in federal court. We learned that the
30:20
Speaker 1: married girlfriend, Cecily Aguilar, remember she was married, and was
30:26
Speaker 1: sleeping around with another officer, Aaron Robinson. This is what
30:34
Speaker 1: we learned. We learned that Gain saw Robinson's iPhone and
30:40
Speaker 1: then on the phone was a photo of Cecily Aguilar.
30:47
Speaker 1: I don't know if she had her clothes on or not.
30:49
Speaker 1: But as soon as Aaron Robinson realized Vanessa saw the photo,
30:55
Speaker 1: he totally nutted up. He was afraid Vanessa I would
31:00
Speaker 1: turn him in for violating the army fraternization rule. In
31:05
Speaker 1: other words, don't sleep around with your fellow military officers,
31:09
Speaker 1: wives and husbands. As should go without saying. But because
31:15
Speaker 1: he was afraid Vanessa would write him out, he took
31:18
Speaker 1: a hammer and murdered her. That's what we're learning now.
31:25
Speaker 1: We're also learning that Aguilar claims Aaron Robinson would go
31:29
Speaker 1: into moods where he would not be his normal self
31:33
Speaker 1: and would quote have a tick. You know what, I
31:36
Speaker 1: don't care what his moods were. He committed murder. More
31:41
Speaker 1: information we're learning from the married girlfriend, Cecily Aguilar. She
31:46
Speaker 1: told authorities, quote, Robinson killed the girl. She went on
31:50
Speaker 1: to tell authorities about how Robinson took her out to
31:53
Speaker 1: the Leon River and showed me her words, not mine.
32:00
Speaker 1: In other words, showed the dead body of Vanessa again
32:03
Speaker 1: to Cecily Aguilar. You know, that's the point where Cecily
32:10
Speaker 1: Aguilar had the chance to put a stop to all that,
32:14
Speaker 1: to not dismember and try to burn her. But no,
32:18
Speaker 1: She helped dispose of Gain's body right then and there.
32:23
Speaker 1: She bought two bags. She went on Facebook marketplace to
32:31
Speaker 1: find quote concrete for sale. It just, you know, to
32:36
Speaker 1: cover up Vanessa's body. She removed Vanessa's body from the
32:46
Speaker 1: army issued tote bag Robinson was carrying her in because
32:51
Speaker 1: Robinson quote didn't want to remove the body. I mean,
32:55
Speaker 1: she certainly did not have a problem disposing of Vanessa's
32:59
Speaker 1: dead body, and Nancy sat there let the family go
33:02
Speaker 1: through pure hell looking for Vanessa. What more do we
33:07
Speaker 1: know about Cecily Aguilar? Take a listen to our friend
33:11
Speaker 1: Steve Campion, ABC thirteen Katie R. K Houston. Cecily Aguilar
33:16
Speaker 1: and her public defenders asked a judge to throw out
33:18
Speaker 1: her twenty twenty confession in which she told investigators she
33:22
Speaker 1: helped Aaron Robinson dismember and dispose of Gian's body. In fact,
33:27
Speaker 1: we saw for the first time today video of Aguilar's
33:30
Speaker 1: conversation with investigators. She's seen on camera saying, quote, I'm
33:35
Speaker 1: ready to get this expletive over with. Before I'm ready
33:40
Speaker 1: to get this shi over with? Did she actually say
33:46
Speaker 1: that Cecily Aguilar co defendant to kill her? Aaron Robinson
33:53
Speaker 1: actually says, I'm ready to get this shi t over?
33:57
Speaker 1: Really she wants it over? Well, what about Vanessa's mother
34:03
Speaker 1: and her sister and her family. Don't you think they
34:06
Speaker 1: want it over? But it will never have the ending
34:09
Speaker 1: that they want to see Vanessa, to hold her again,
34:13
Speaker 1: to love her, to talk to her, to be with her.
34:17
Speaker 1: There is no happy ending. And this woman, this demon
34:21
Speaker 1: from hell says she wants this shi over. Who is
34:28
Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar? Why do we care about this woman, this
34:32
Speaker 1: married woman dating the killer Aaron Robinson. Well, I'll tell
34:37
Speaker 1: you why. Take a listen to our friends at crime
34:40
Speaker 1: online dot com. In her first interview with police, Aguilar
34:44
Speaker 1: provided an alibi for Robinson for the night Vanessa gain
34:47
Speaker 1: when missing April twenty second. Aguilar told investigators that she
34:51
Speaker 1: was with Robinson the entire night and that they didn't
34:54
Speaker 1: leave the house. When investigators got phone records, they reinterviewed
34:57
Speaker 1: Aguilar and asked her why there were so many cas
35:00
Speaker 1: between her and Robinson on the night of April twenty
35:02
Speaker 1: second up until three thirty am on the twenty third,
35:05
Speaker 1: if they were together in the house. At first, she
35:08
Speaker 1: claimed she couldn't find her phone and Robinson was calling
35:10
Speaker 1: it to help her find it, but it was the
35:11
Speaker 1: length of the calls that made that impossible to believe.
35:14
Speaker 1: Some investigators pressed Aguilar until she changed her story. In
35:18
Speaker 1: a follow up interview with investigators on June nineteenth, Aguilar
35:21
Speaker 1: suddenly remembered that Robinson wanted to take her to a
35:24
Speaker 1: park by the water where they could look at the stars.
35:27
Speaker 1: Checking phone location data, investigators were able to find the
35:30
Speaker 1: exact location where Aguilar and Robinson were on April twenty
35:34
Speaker 1: third and twenty sixth, and found a partially burned tough
35:37
Speaker 1: box and other evidence that led to the remains of Vanesse. Again,
35:40
Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar was arrested at four am on July first,
35:44
Speaker 1: three hours after her boyfriend Aaron Robinson committed suicide. She
35:48
Speaker 1: was charged with conspiracy to tamper with evidence in relation
35:50
Speaker 1: to the disappearance of Vanesse. Again, lies lies, lies. Every
35:55
Speaker 1: time they catch Cecily Aguilar, the married lover, the mistress
36:00
Speaker 1: of the killer, she lies, lies, lies, comes up with
36:05
Speaker 1: another story. This is the woman who dismembered Vanessa's body,
36:13
Speaker 1: who burned it, who buried it, and now she says
36:18
Speaker 1: they were out sitting on a bench looking at the stars.
36:20
Speaker 1: Nale Quam a special guest joining us. This is the
36:24
Speaker 1: lawyer that has been to h ebl and Bat representing
36:29
Speaker 1: Vanessa's family, and you can find her at whistle Blower
36:35
Speaker 1: Law Firm. And I want to go right now to
36:40
Speaker 1: who I consider now to be a friend. Along with
36:43
Speaker 1: Nali Quam, Myra Gian, this is Vanessa's sister, and I
36:50
Speaker 1: truly believe if it had not been for Myra Gin,
36:57
Speaker 1: this case would be unsolved right now, and Vanessa's family
37:02
Speaker 1: would have no idea what had become of Vanessa. Mira,
37:09
Speaker 1: When you hear Cecily Aguilar lying through her teeth time
37:15
Speaker 1: after time after time, how does that make you feel?
37:19
Speaker 1: You know, that only brings so much hate and anger
37:24
Speaker 1: that I don't want to have towards any individual. But
37:29
Speaker 1: it's amazing how even after everything that she's done, she's
37:32
Speaker 1: still trying to continue to fight with us. You know what,
37:36
Speaker 1: You're such so much of a better person than me.
37:39
Speaker 1: I've never claimed to be anything but a crime fighter. Myra,
37:45
Speaker 1: you don't want to harbor hate and anger. That's incredible
37:50
Speaker 1: to me after what you and your mother have been through.
37:54
Speaker 1: You driving through the night, Remember you told me you
37:56
Speaker 1: drove through the night, hours and hours. I think it
38:01
Speaker 1: was raining to get to Fort Hood. You get there
38:05
Speaker 1: and get to the guard post and they won't even
38:10
Speaker 1: let you in, And there they let me just say,
38:13
Speaker 1: misinformation begins lies. It's what I call it about where's Vanessa?
38:19
Speaker 1: What have they done to try to find Vanessa? They
38:21
Speaker 1: would even let you speak to anybody till the next morning,
38:24
Speaker 1: go to some motel spend the night, and still the
38:28
Speaker 1: lies keep coming about where your sister is. And now
38:34
Speaker 1: you've got Cecily Aguilar lying through her teeth, trying to
38:39
Speaker 1: get her confession thrown out of court. Now, why is
38:44
Speaker 1: her statement so important? And her defense team is trying
38:49
Speaker 1: every trick in the book to try to get this
38:52
Speaker 1: statement thrown out. Ay, now you're going to find out why.
38:55
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at ABC twenty twenty.
38:59
Speaker 1: After finding human remains by the Leon River, army investigators
39:04
Speaker 1: cauled Cecily Agular, Robinson's girlfriend back in for questioning, and
39:07
Speaker 1: this time they say she's ready to talk. According to
39:11
Speaker 1: court documents, As Aguilar's interview with investigators continues, she allegedly
39:16
Speaker 1: tells them that Aaron Robinson confessed to her that he
39:19
Speaker 1: had bludgeoned a female soldier to death in an armory
39:23
Speaker 1: room on base. Agular states that Robinson further told her
39:29
Speaker 1: that he placed Vanessa in a tough box and drove
39:33
Speaker 1: her off the base. Now at the River, authorities say
39:38
Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar agrees to help Robinson get rid of the body.
39:43
Speaker 1: Straight out to Jasmine Caldwell, news anchor reporter Casey e
39:46
Speaker 1: in Channel six jasmine, what are the claims? Why did
39:53
Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar's lawyers argue to the judge that her statement
39:58
Speaker 1: should be thrown out? Well, her lawyers argue to the
40:04
Speaker 1: judge that her statement should be thrown out because apparently
40:10
Speaker 1: Aguilar was not advice of her Miranda rights, which gave
40:14
Speaker 1: her the right to I mean silent and as for attorney,
40:17
Speaker 1: and they also said that you know, she was not
40:20
Speaker 1: told anything that anything that she said would be used
40:24
Speaker 1: against her in a court of law. Now the state says, well,
40:28
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, you have to be
40:31
Speaker 1: under arrest. You have to be detained before Miranda kicks
40:36
Speaker 1: and Miranda rights. And what happened was that she was
40:40
Speaker 1: speaking voluntarily. That's why she didn't get Miranda. Well, there's more,
40:45
Speaker 1: there's more as to why we need this confession in evidence.
40:50
Speaker 1: Take a listen to John king Yonis twenty twenty allegedly
40:54
Speaker 1: decide to use some type of tool, reportedly a machette
40:57
Speaker 1: of swords to then dismember the body. Good investigators say
41:03
Speaker 1: that Aguilar told them they attempted to burn the body
41:07
Speaker 1: but that didn't work. Then they allegedly dig three separate
41:10
Speaker 1: holes to bury her remains, According to investigators, After covering
41:15
Speaker 1: up the remains, Robinson an Augular leave, but then three
41:20
Speaker 1: days later, on April twenty six, they allegedly come back again,
41:24
Speaker 1: bringing hairnets, gloves, and concrete that investigators say secs Lee
41:29
Speaker 1: Augular got from someone on Facebook Messenger. She's in it
41:33
Speaker 1: just as deeply as he is. She doesn't have to
41:36
Speaker 1: go back over there. She didn't have to do that,
41:38
Speaker 1: but she did. Will this thirty five million dollar lawsuit
41:43
Speaker 1: against the army bring any kind of peace? Will it
41:47
Speaker 1: teach all of our military branches any sort of lesson?
41:53
Speaker 1: I can only hope. So is it worth the cost
41:58
Speaker 1: of vanesse Again's life. Absolutely not. We wait as just
42:04
Speaker 1: as sun falls. Nancy Grace crimed the story, signing off
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Speaker 1: good bye friend,