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Welcome to the Mac and Jack Show with Jack and Sonya.
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Happy Monday to everybody out here.
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First Monday of June. We are now in our summer months
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here, Jack. And this is where we get a
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little bit of a sports law, but we got some baseball and some
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basketball to keep us going here.
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Yesterday's games raged theirs. I know Yankees had a big series
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this weekend with the Dodgers. Yeah, well, yeah, but the.
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Sports come around the clock. I mean, we could talk golf, but
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I'm not the biggest golf fan. Race car driving or WNBA, you
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know, it's not, it's on the map. WNBA was never on the map until,
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you know, the last year too. And, and all due respect to the
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other great players they had in the league, it didn't translate
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into ratings. But I guess with this Caitlin
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clock, you know, coming on the scene, you know, where Angel
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Reese's name is prominent, etcetera, etcetera, you know,
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they're getting a little bit of a buzz there.
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But I, I, you know, for every show, we like to talk you and I,
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Sonia, what's the biggest storyline?
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And they're 365 days out of the year, and on some particular
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days, there's not a major storyline, per SE.
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Now, we know the Indiana Pacers are going to be playing the
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Oklahoma City fund and the playoffs, but we've been.
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Talking NBANBANBA, we'd like to talk that with NBA to the point
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we. I'm not saying we need a.
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Day off. Obviously there's a lot going on
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in the NBA. Not.
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Just with the finals, but with potential.
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Offseason moves as. Well.
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So you never get tired of it. The same with the NFL.
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You can only talk about the Aaron Rodgers drama with
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Pittsburgh. For so long, but then there's
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baseball that you know, it wasn't as prominent, but now you
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know baseball. 'S getting a little more the
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center stage, especially when you have to type a marquee
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matchup you had this weekend, the Yankees and the Dodgers.
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Now if I said to you of all the sports, this is interesting,
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what is the most major mash up impact for wise historically?
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I think it would be debatable between the Celtics and Lakers
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and the Yankees and Dodgers. Debatable because of the history
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that the two have with one another and the Dodgers and the
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Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles that, you know, a little
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bit of a buzz. But the Yankees played the
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Dodgers three games over the weekend, a rematch of the World
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Series. Dodgers are prohibitive
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favorites to get back to the World Series this year.
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The Yankees are, you know, one of the teams that it's thought
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up to have a reasonable chance of getting back to the World
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Series, even though it's going to be maybe a little harder for
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them than the Dodgers, maybe because the Dodgers are
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considered to be stacked and the World Series favorites.
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But they play the three-game series, which I thought was a
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little more important to the Yankees going in because they
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lost to the Dodgers in five games in the World Series.
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And people forget how easily it could have been 32 Yankees.
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After no one. No one.
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Brings it up game one of the World Series last year.
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The Yankees are one out away from winning the game, and they
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give up the Freddie Freeman home run if they get.
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Freeman out, the Yankees up, won nothing and then in game. 5
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which is the final game of the series.
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They they're up five nothing. They make 3 mistakes if Aaron
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judge. Drops, you know, an easy fly
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ball which shall. Net might never do in his career
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again that that's an absolute fluke.
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Aaron Judge driving the boat so. Yeah.
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And then there was Garrett Cole wouldn't cover first base, he
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had a mental lapse and Anthony Volquez throw was a little off
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the third base so he got an error there if.
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Just one of those three things didn't happen.
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The Yankees don't go give up any runs that inning instead of
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giving up five runs and they win the game.
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And that means the Yankees. Could have easily gone back to
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Los Angeles, up 3, two. So the narrative is, Sonia, the
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Dodgers are so much better, but they play the rematch.
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You know, we're kind of in LA and even though it's not the
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same as the World Series, it didn't go, you know, the way the
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Yankees wanted to free. You know, Max Free gets hit hard
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in the first game of, you know, the series.
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And he's been having a sensational year till then.
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Bad game. And then Saturday nights at
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Fiasco. The Dodgers, that was.
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Horrible. And that.
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But the Yankees come back. They showed they were resilient.
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They won the third game, you know, 73 yesterday.
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DJ Lemayo gets four hits. Isn't it the round if the
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Yankees get slaughtered 18 to 2 and only two runs to Judge
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homers and then the game they win?
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Judge, you know, doesn't get on base?
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Yeah, that that was that was a slaughter.
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That was a slaughter. Let's talk about Jack Kegelione
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going to be coming up to the major leagues here for the
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Royals. He's going to be activated on
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Tuesday. That's big news because I think
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he's coming from like the farmland, right, Jack?
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Yeah, you know a lot of these teams.
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They have. They're like blue chip
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prospects. And it's a.
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Question of when they're going to bring them up.
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They kind of want the timing to be right.
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They don't want to panic. They kind of baby them along,
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move them along and then they bring them up at the right time
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because you know, once you bring up these type of players, you
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don't want to send them down later on.
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You know. You kind of want it to be for
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good. And there's also another element
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involved too. So you just service time.
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That's a big element because if they leave, if they have their
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prospects on the big team at the beginning of the year, that
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means they have credited time in the big leagues, meaning they
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can become a free agent a year sooner.
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One year sooner to the team by holding off, bringing them up a
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little later, you know, in the spring or early summer can hold
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on to that player for an extra year.
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It's one year more of control. OK.
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And good morning to Rochelle. Good morning to Miss Linda.
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Of course. Happy birth.
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Listen, I already texted her. Happy birthday, Linda.
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And happy and good morning to Brian as well.
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Yeah, happy birthday, Miss Linda.
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Big hugs to you on this June 2nd.
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Yeah, literally the name. Says Brian Happy goes by three
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names. He goes by a definitely no.
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Repeat one of them. No, repeat one of them.
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He goes by Beast Thriller. Oh, OK, I thought.
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Well, the day goes by, Brian. Yes, and Miss Linda, I want to
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thank you for your text that she wish me blessings on my new job
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today. I'm starting a job as I'm in
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between classes here. Super blessed about that.
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I'll be jumping on that after Jack and I are done.
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So thank you for your text, Miss Linda.
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That's amazing that she literally already text me.
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Yeah. So, yeah, I mean that that's
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really big. And I didn't realize, does
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baseball actually have a time a timing like how some like you
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only have a certain amount of time to play like red shirt and
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stuff like that? No, no, they.
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Can do it. Some teams don't do it.
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Some teams have a player who's phenomenal, you know, in spring
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training and by then not putting him on the big team in the
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beginning of the year. It's.
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Obvious what they're doing because they want more team
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control. Other team like decide, you
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know, we're not going to do that because everyone knows that
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we're playing kind of playing games doing this.
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But there's nothing wrong with the team doing it.
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Those are the rules. They want to have extra control
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of the players. But it's hard when you have.
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A player who's ready for the big leagues finally and right and
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he's and you're counting on them to be part of the future, your
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team and you're not bringing him up in the beginning of the year.
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You have to tell him he's in the minor leagues for a few more
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weeks. I mean, he doesn't belong in the
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minors and you know it. It depends on the case, of
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course. Some guys could go out of the
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way, but sometimes they have an exceptional prospect, you know
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who belongs in the big leagues, but they keep them down in the
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minors, you know, a month or two more.
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Yeah, that's, that's that's how it usually runs.
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I mean, I guess I always wondered because you don't with
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baseball, they're using their arms the whole time.
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You got to worry about, you know, I don't know,
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misalignment. That's just seems a lot,
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especially if you're a pitcher. If you're a pitcher, that's a
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lot. Yeah, I mean, Tim's going to be
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making a lot of moves to take a team like the Saint Louis
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Cardinal. A lot of people thought they
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were going to be sellers this year, but they only them second
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place. They're four games out, so
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certain teams are kind of caught in the middle between wanting to
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sell a stay, you know, whether they think they could contend or
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not. And, you know, and other teams
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you just don't understand, like the Colorado Rockies.
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I mean, they don't tend to always trade players often, but
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they're awful, you know, Year after year it seems.
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Yeah, that's true. All right, let's get into.
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Thanks for that historical lesson there, Jack.
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You always have a great night with the background on.
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All right, so NBA Finals, let's talk about those.
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Of course, they are now set the finals.
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Oklahoma City Thunder is going to face the Pacers.
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They're getting a little bit of a break right now, Jack, so
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they're going to be playing their first game later on this
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week, June 5th in OK C to start off and they're actually
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favorite to win. Of course, the Pacers eliminated
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the knee. What would have been?
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Actually favorite. To.
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Win. Yeah, the Thunder are favorite
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to win it all, actually. They should be favorite to win.
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They're the better team. I mean if I.
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Know. Not going to be the Pacers are
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not going to be a serious. Match for the Thunder if the.
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Pacers can take the six. Games they would have they would
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have done well, OK, if they lose in six games, I mean, that's
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about the Max that I'm going to give them.
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I mean the Thunder just. Better, I mean, if you want to
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compare, you know, the star players.
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On the. Team, I mean SGA is clearly.
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Better than Halliburton. I mean, it's not close.
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No disrespect. To.
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Halliburton. Who's there?
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Who proved? Himself, you know before, even
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before the next. Series.
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He was a heck of a player and he was very, you know it.
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And and it has moments of brilliance in the next series,
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you know, but you know. It's done that, just a better
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team. I mean, they are, but this is
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this is what's really interesting to me, Jack.
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Either winner is going to be the first time winning.
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That's what's super exciting and the this is the Pacers first
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time even making it to the playoffs since 2000 and so dull.
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Sonia. Huh.
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Stupid exciting. It's super dull super.
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Dull. Yeah, I wanted.
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It's like we have to have. The first time NBA champions?
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Yeah, we have to. We have no choice in the matter.
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If the Knicks were playing the Thunder, at least the drama
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would be the Thunders trying to get their first NBA title ever.
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The Knicks are trying to get their first one since forever.
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1973 was the. Last time, I mean, or if the
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Pacers were play, it wouldn't have been the same way if the
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Pacers played the. Timberwolves.
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The Timberwolves. They haven't even gotten to
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final. September wolves you know
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before. Yeah.
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Period. I mean Canada has to be happy.
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Four players from with Canadian roots are in the playoffs, 2
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from each team. Of course you mentioned SGA,
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Shay, Gillis, Alexander for the Thunder, Dort for the Alex for
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the Thunder. Or is also from Canada And from
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the Pacers you got Nathan and Nemhart, also Canadian, you
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know, residents, all that good stuff.
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That, that is, that's a good question, you know, to bring up.
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And I'd like, you know, I, you know, I, I, I, I don't think
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we've asked Priscilla. That's when Matthew Stafford
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played for the Rams. The fans in Detroit supposedly
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were rooting for him. I'd like to get his reaction on
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this. And you kind of wonder, but he's
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playing for the Rams now. I know he.
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Played for the. Lions for years and you can be
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happy for him. Fine, you know, winning the
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Super Bowl because it was a long time lying it.
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Should be happy fun, but to get to the.
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Point to root fun. Wouldn't you rather be, you
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know, if you have a fan in Canada and Toronto, wouldn't you
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rather win with American players for your team than and even guys
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were born in Toronto for. I've said that I had to sip on
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that one. I've said that, but I don't
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know, I think this is what I think, Jack people that live in
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those areas like Detroit, all those Canadian border type
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locations, Michigan I should say, even maybe even Illinois a
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little bit as well as even. I mean, what is it all those
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states that border up there, Rhode Island and all that, I
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feel like they have like a different standard with that
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with the Canadian players than most people are.
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Because like for me, I'm in the South.
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I 100% I'm like, OK, let's get it done with our players.
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I don't know why we have to bring in all this talent from
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everywhere else to get it done, but it happens.
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And so as I like to say, the Northeasterners or the, you
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know, those people that border the the Canadian border, they
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look at it differently because they just merge everybody as one
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big group of people. Yeah, and you mentioned bringing
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in players. Now you kind of want the
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philosophies of teams that they always feel they have to make a
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move. Every team that doesn't win a
16:36
championship or most teams, unless you're an up and coming
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team, always feels they can't stand pat.
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Well, we didn't win the championship.
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We have to do something. And they make moves that, you
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know, very rarely help. Like I'm thinking of the next
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example, OK, they lose to the Pacers, but they run it back
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with the players they have and see can they win the
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championship next year? And my feeling would.
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Be Yeah, you do that. But let's say the Knicks
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decided. They wanted to get Giannis.
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OK, let me, you know, think of a deal for Giannis, for example,
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for the Knicks to get them what it would mean they would be
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giving up hot Mitchell, Robinson, Mckell.
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Let's say they gave up Mckell Bridges, Josh Hart and Mitchell
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Robinson and two number ones and they got Yanis.
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It sounds like it's something. That's a lot.
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Milwaukee, right It's. A.
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They get a. Superstar in Yanis.
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How does he work with Jalen Brunson?
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I mean, and, and the rest of the team and how does you know, you
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have Karl Anthony Towns, you have your big three and everyone
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is excited. It's off the rails.
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You know a deal like that. But that's that's why I'm not
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big on getting rid of all your all these people for one player.
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I'm not a fan of that in any sport, Jack, because yeah,
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anytime you no, no, you're good. Anytime you start moving around
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a lot of people, even if they're not your top players, those
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people are still responsible for the top plays of the team.
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And so when you're moving around these like you got to think
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about it, no team is going to be willing to take, I don't care
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how many people you could offer the whole team if you want, if
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they're no good, no team is going to want to trade for them.
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But if you're trading these people, they've got to bring
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something to the table besides an appetite.
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And so if you look at it like that, they if they move around
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too many people just for Giannis, then their team has
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changed. And, and at the at the least,
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you're bringing in just Giannis himself.
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And now you're back to to square one, trying to build around him
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with just a new team. Yeah, yeah, but but.
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The mindset of people is this I I propose that deal just now and
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from Milwaukee's viewpoint, no more Giannis, but you know,
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Mikkel Bridges, Mitchell Robinson, Josh Hart, a couple of
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number ones. You know it it definitely perks
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the interests. Would they make that deal?
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I'm not. I'm not sure.
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But with the. Next, let's say the next made
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that deal. People be looking.
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Well, we match, you know, Giannis with Hanson.
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Karl Anthony Towns on the Nobby. You know, and all of a sudden
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it's exciting, you know, that we have this impact, we have this
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powerhouse team, but we see it doesn't really work in the NBA
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if just 'cause you put match a star on top of stars.
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You know, even even when LeBron went to the Miami Heat, I mean,
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they were saying the Heat is automatically going to win the
20:00
championship every year. The four years LeBron was.
20:03
There, they did win two NBA titles.
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It could have easily been one, but and they went to the Finals
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for years, but everyone figured with him, Dwyane Wade, Chris
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Bosh, they're unbeatable. But you know it didn't.
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Quite turn out, you know, fully that way.
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I mean, I definitely agree that and that's the reason why I
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don't, I don't necessarily match up Giannis with only like the
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the Knicks or only, you know, playoff teams that we just saw.
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He could go somewhere like the Spurs.
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They have a draft asset that they'd be able to to move around
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and pay him and get him the contract he needs.
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I mean, especially if you pair him with with Winby Yama, if you
20:47
prepare him with Winby Jack. Like that, That's nice what
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you're saying, Sonia, and it's correct what you're saying, but
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you have to acquire Giannis. The only way you acquire
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Giannis, I'm not sure. San Antonio goes number two
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overall. In the draft.
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They have to give up that pick and what are they going to do
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give up five number one draft picks?
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Besides that, I, you know, I don't know is Giannis obtainable
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unless the player Milwaukee would be in love with the player
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go being. Picked who they take #2 overall
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in the draft behind Cooper flag. If they see a.
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Player who they think is going to be an absolute star at #2
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overall in the draft, whoever it might be.
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And yeah, then you make the deal because you you're going to
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immediately hit upon it with a start back and have some number
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of the number one picks. I could then see that.
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But but why would San Antonio want to do that?
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They go #2 over on the draft. Why get a 30 year old Giannis
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when you can get a stud coming out of college?
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I mean, you couldn't. Good morning to you, Rick.
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You could, but these are just like possibilities, like teams.
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I heard, you know, rumblings. You do speak solidly about the
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Knicks. But this is the thing.
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Remember, we talked about moving players around.
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If he comes to the Knicks, they're talking about trading
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Karl Anthony Towns. For what?
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I don't think they're going to trade.
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Them I mean that that's kind of news on this now.
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Karl Anthony Towns is going to be a Knick, you know.
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Next year and Karl Anthony Towns, we saw what he could do
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when he's at his best. Karl Anthony Towns at times had
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wasn't adjusting maybe to the team concept.
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I mean, maybe he didn't, you know, the flow of the game kind
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of got away from him. He was committing a lot of silly
22:48
files in the Indiana series, a lot of them.
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But we saw the way he could take over a game, the way he could
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drive to the basket, the way he could rebound.
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You know, it's hard to move on from a guy like Karl Anthony
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Towns. But then consider this.
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If Karl Anthony Towns was truly a dominant player with any
23:08
consistency, at some point he would have gotten the
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Timberwolves to now the Knicks into the Finals, you know, and
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you know, they couldn't quite take the next step.
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But then again, you want to know something.
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But then again, it's hard because if you take away Jokic,
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we might agree that Jokic is the best player in the NBA.
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OK, we might. There's a good chance most.
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People would say that. That Jokic is the best player.
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Jokic has only gotten to the Finals 1.
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Time where they won it. Where they won the championship,
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but look at year after year, he doesn't get his team to the
23:47
finals. And if he didn't win that one
23:50
championship and let's say they got eliminated before the
23:53
finals, what might we be saying about them?
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I don't know Jack, I disagree just a little bit.
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Even though Karl Anthony Towns had these subpar games, you
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definitely well, no, I do agree with the part you you definitely
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don't want to really put him in a trade package.
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He's one of your bigger names. Even if he, I mean, let's
24:19
compare him for a small moment, even though there's really not a
24:21
real comparison. It's enough Anthony Edwards for
24:24
a little bit. People were talking about how
24:26
they wanted him to be the face of the MB, the league, blah
24:29
blah, the NBA for the MVP candidate and all this stuff,
24:32
the series, and he definitely wasn't.
24:35
We saw him flop. We saw him struggle offensively.
24:38
We saw him not even go for the big plays that he normally had
24:40
gone for. I think this is kind of a
24:43
similar comparison with Carl Anthony Towns because he too,
24:48
you know, all players have this tendency of being up and down,
24:51
up and down. I think it just depends on the
24:54
the players that are surrounding you.
24:56
I think it's you're just as good as, I don't want to say you're a
25:00
game manager, but you're not a good solo breakout player like a
25:04
Kobe or LeBron or, or those type of players in those eras.
25:09
And even now, Jack, with that one, I mean, he has been linked
25:14
though, of course, to the Celtics, but the Celtics
25:17
reportedly can't afford him because they got some financial
25:20
issues to deal with. Celtics want to link themselves
25:24
to everybody. They will link the Cooper flag.
25:27
How are they going to get Cooper flag in this draft?
25:29
Come on. What are they going to?
25:31
What ships? Do they have?
25:34
I don't. Know I.
25:35
Mean they. They're not getting Cooper flag.
25:41
They, they interviewed them, work them out or whatever they
25:44
did beforehand. And he's not, yeah, he's not
25:48
going there. Cooper flag's gone to Dallas and
25:51
Dallas, you know, Dallas would be borderline insane.
25:56
Trade Cooper flag 'cause I can't see anything that they could
26:01
trade them for, short of San Antonio, which San Antonio
26:05
wouldn't even consider it giving Wemby if they call them and
26:08
offer them Wemby, Yeah, but that's ridiculous for me.
26:12
Maybe even bring that up. So he's going to, he's going to
26:17
be a Maverick, considering his age and everything.
26:21
But the point is, we see when you take a.
26:24
Star like a Giannis and you put them on another team.
26:28
It doesn't mean success. Let's look at.
26:31
How many times that's been done and hasn't worked out OK, Lucas
26:36
went to the Lakers. It didn't work out this year.
26:39
Lakers weren't any better, you know, in the playoffs.
26:42
Yeah. That would have been with
26:44
Anthony Davis and they did win an NBA title with Anthony Davis.
26:49
And this two star system doesn't work if the rest of the team is
26:55
not this cohesiveness. I mean, we see it with the
26:58
Sixers. When that beat is in, he has
27:00
maxi. You know Damian Lillard went and
27:03
he joined the Bucks and the Bucks is supposed to be
27:06
championship contenders. You know, him joining Giannis.
27:10
It didn't work out. I mean, listen, when teams win
27:13
in the NBA championship, you normally point to a second star
27:16
player because winning makes it a player star as opposed to a
27:22
star making a team a winner, OK, like Chad Holmgren, he's the
27:27
perfect #2 you know, on that OKC team.
27:31
But Holmgren, you know you can label him a stop you want.
27:35
He's a Staun OKC. But if you put him on another
27:39
team like the Washington Wizards, he's not.
27:42
You know it's effective. Yeah, that team doesn't even
27:46
have anything there. I mean, so two things, Jack, I
27:49
want your opinion on this. One, you brought up OKC put a
27:53
pin in that because I want to, I want to bring up something about
27:56
if he were to go there because that's how we kind of started
27:59
this whole conversation. But let's think about you talk
28:03
about like how Giannis went to the Lakers and it didn't make a
28:08
difference. Oh, Luca, Luca.
28:09
Excuse me? I always mix them up, Luca to
28:14
the Lakers and even with LeBron there.
28:17
It did. It just was not enough.
28:20
The Warriors were eliminated when Stephen Curry went down,
28:24
even though Jimmy Butler was there.
28:25
Jack, that's the first part of this question.
28:28
Was he supposed to be a difference maker?
28:30
And then I want to talk to you about possibly if they get
28:33
Yannis, do you like the problem? With Jimmy Butler, he's a twina.
28:40
They're stars and they're. Superstar type players.
28:44
Jimmy Butler has never been a superstar type player.
28:47
I know he took the heat to the finals a couple of times and
28:51
he's been tremendous in certain spots.
28:55
Big respect to Jimmy Butler's a player, but Jimmy Butler is a
28:59
little below the level of the Giannises, the Lucas, you know.
29:05
He's gone down to his, he's gone down.
29:08
No, well, he's older, getting older.
29:11
He might be at the. Back end of his prime, put it
29:14
that way. OK, that's a a polite way of
29:17
putting it, but Jimmy Butler has never been a stupid star type
29:21
player. He's.
29:22
Been, you know, when you talk Batman and Robin, he's been more
29:26
like in between the two of them, OK.
29:30
And you know, he can elevate, he can elevate A-Team and be a
29:33
scarf a given amount of time. But, you know, he's not.
29:37
He was never on the level of Steph Curry.
29:40
Not quite, you know. And this is Jimmy Butler.
29:43
That's best. And no disrespect to Jimmy
29:45
Butler, a great player. But when we talked about the top
29:50
five players in the NBA, Jimmy Butler's name never came into
29:54
the equation when he was at his best of being one of the top
29:58
five players. Now all these other.
30:00
Names they they have been brought up when we plucked top
30:05
five players at one point another like Giannis, Kevin
30:08
Durant, Tatum, you know, and well, Jimmy, yeah, Jimmy Butler,
30:14
it's a good fit that he went to the Warriors.
30:17
They're going to run it back with Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler,
30:21
Raymond Green. Like they should run it back, I
30:24
think because Sonia. Your players on your team, like
30:30
the Warriors, other teams, other teams want them.
30:34
If other teams want them bad enough, why don't you just hold
30:37
on to them? Yeah, I just, this is my thing
30:42
on it. I feel like Jimmy Butler overall
30:45
has kind of like I was just pulling up his stats while we
30:48
were talking and sorry, I had to mute my line because for some
30:52
reason I have my Alexa where she gives me the weather every day
30:55
at 8:30. And so I don't want people to
30:57
hear that it just she. Just started talking about the
30:59
weather is. One of the most anticipated
31:01
things that people turn to. People check on the weather
31:04
before they check on our show. I'll tell.
31:06
You. Yeah.
31:07
I mean, yeah, they want to know if they need to take out a
31:09
jacket or an umbrella for today, Jack.
31:11
I mean, this weather, I mean, it's 60° here in Atlanta and has
31:15
been cool the last couple of days in June now that we're in
31:19
June. But listen, Jimmy Butler in
31:21
2023, which is only a couple of seasons ago, he was the Eastern
31:26
Conference Finals MVP. Yeah, but he averages.
31:34
OK. So over his fourteen seasons, I
31:36
didn't realize he'd been with with in the league so long.
31:40
He was with the Bulls, T, Wolves, 76ers, Heat and now the
31:44
Warriors. I didn't realize he was such a
31:46
journeyman in the league either. Jack, He's been circumstances
31:51
18. In 2324, he had 20 points per
31:55
game, but in the other games he averaged almost 18 points.
31:58
So his points are not really that different.
32:01
I don't know if he ever was a big haymaker, as you say, as we
32:04
talked about to be that maybe you know, you're right.
32:08
He's this tweener that just basically assist everybody.
32:12
But with him, OK, I brought Jimmy Butler up because if you
32:17
bring Giannis there to pair with Jimmy Butler, Stephen Curry, of
32:22
course, Draymond Green, they they have expressed reservations
32:26
and now bringing Giannis in there, another big name as well.
32:37
To give. For Giannis.
32:38
OK, they'll have to pay him. They just have to pay him.
32:41
Yeah, no, Giannis isn't a free agent.
32:44
The Bucks would have to trade them.
32:46
Yeah, I don't mean, I mean, can they, can teams do they always
32:51
have to trade? Can they ever offer like a
32:53
financial, you know, switch out so the other players, other team
32:57
can get another player? That's a trade.
33:00
That's what it's called a trade. Milwaukee has yet to talk to
33:04
Giannis on knowledge, at least, and they're going to find out
33:08
from him. You want to be traded or not if
33:11
Giannis says he wants to be a Milwaukee Buck.
33:14
For the rest of his career, then maybe the Bucks make that
33:17
commitment to him and he's a Buck the rest of his career.
33:23
If Giannis says he'd like to go elsewhere, then the Bucks could
33:28
look and work out the best deal they can.
33:30
Or maybe do nothing and maybe say no, we want to keep you.
33:34
And if Yanis shows a lot of discontent, really shows him
33:39
he's unhappy to be there, than a work out a deal if Yanis says.
33:43
He. They can do whatever they want.
33:46
If they want to trade them, it's OK.
33:48
If they don't want to, it's up to them.
33:51
Then. We don't know what Milwaukee
33:53
does, but you want to. Sell.
33:55
When the selling price is high, when you could get a high price
33:59
back. And Giannis can get a lot back.
34:03
Now, sometimes if you wait an extra year, the play is a year
34:07
older, his performance might go down a little, He might get
34:12
injured. I mean, a case in point, the
34:15
Celtics never would have traded Jason Tatum.
34:19
No, no way, No way. But let's say for one moment
34:23
they would have traded Jason Tatum before last year.
34:28
Imagine what they could have gotten in return for Jason Tatum
34:32
now if they tried. To trade Jason Tatum now coming
34:35
off his injury, you know they're not, they're not going to get
34:40
much in comparison to what they would have gotten when he was
34:42
healthy a year. Earlier.
34:45
And but what you said about Jimmy Butler, Jimmy?
34:47
Butler Times carried the Miami Heat.
34:50
To me, Jimmy Butler is a future Hall of Famer.
34:54
He would get my vote for the Hall of Fame.
34:56
So I don't mean to diminish Jimmy Butler.
34:58
He's been a great player. He's been a great player and at
35:03
times he's played like a superstar.
35:06
But he's not one of these superstars, you know, of the
35:10
NBA. He's just a kind of a little
35:13
below that. And that should be accepted and
35:17
we could. When you talk about superstar
35:19
type talents, you talk about Luka, you talk about Giannis,
35:24
you talk about Djokic, obviously SGA.
35:29
You. Can't you run SIN?
35:32
Let's give him a little more time as far as entering that
35:35
territory, Halliburton. Give him more time to see what
35:39
he could do going forward. Anthony Edwards, give them more
35:43
time, you know, going forward, you know, you have a number of
35:46
guys like that. Let's see whether they progress.
35:50
To. Superstar level or not.
35:52
Yeah, and let me talk about something Speaking of big NBA
35:57
news, Jack, and trades, because we know the draft is coming up
36:02
later this month, last week of June, yesterday marked the first
36:07
day of this month. So people are are definitely
36:09
looking because the offseason has officially started.
36:12
Kevin Durant, Jack looks like there is a mess in Phoenix.
36:18
Of course, it looks like the Suns tried to trade him before
36:23
the deadline without him even knowing it.
36:26
And now the relationship between Durant and the and the Suns is
36:30
fractured. And I mean, now it looks like
36:34
the trade is inevitable because the relationship has been
36:37
severed and the Spurs may or the Warriors have mentioned actual
36:43
interest in him. Like what in the world?
36:48
You're muted, Jack, your, your line is muted.
36:50
You're muted. The Warriors were interested in
36:53
trading for Durant last season. Phoenix did speak to Durant
36:58
about it. Durant didn't want to go back
37:01
there. And the thing about Phoenix was
37:04
a couple of years ago, it didn't work out.
37:06
When they got Durant didn't work out.
37:08
So the owner decided we're going to run it back with the same
37:11
same guys. You know my formula.
37:13
Sometimes running it back, sometimes it works.
37:17
A lot of times it doesn't work. It failed dismally running it
37:22
back with Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal.
37:25
You. Know they were.
37:26
Terrible. They didn't even make the plan
37:28
tournament. So to hold on to Durant now?
37:32
What's the purpose? They're not going to bounce back
37:35
from anything. I mean, they're not.
37:37
They're going to be. If they've been bad with them
37:40
the last couple of years, it's going to just continue.
37:44
So they're going to see what? Type of value.
37:46
They can get, I mean, I would think Durant's main value would
37:51
be to a team that has a chance of winning the title.
37:55
I mean, there's a familiarity with them at Golden.
37:58
State, obviously he did get along with the coach there, you
38:02
know, the front office, the other players, because if he
38:07
didn't, they wouldn't be trying to get him back.
38:09
And when he left Golden State, he left as a free agent to go to
38:14
the Brooklyn. Nets and you know, Durant's won
38:18
a couple of championships. He won him in a great situation.
38:23
He went to a 73 win team in Golden State who set in NBA
38:27
regular season record and when he won those championships and
38:32
got Finals MVP both years, we thought to ourselves, you know.
38:36
Durant proved how greatest. You know he's.
38:39
Better than Steph Curry. We see him side by side, but now
38:42
we know Steph Curry was the Ultimate Team player.
38:46
He deferred to Durant that Steph Curry, I think when all is.
38:49
Said and done with. That's the.
38:51
Chef Steph, Steph's a better player than Durant.
38:55
I mean, Durant's a great player. Steph's a better player.
38:59
Durant, I would label him as kind of a little bit of a
39:04
disappointing superstar because you know, such great talent,
39:08
great player. He's been.
39:10
Good every time he takes the court, it seems, but something
39:15
is lacking now. He could go back to Golden State
39:18
and the whole crew will be together and it could help the
39:21
team. It would be, I guess, a good fit
39:24
for him. I mean, you don't want to see
39:26
Durant go somewhere like the Utah Jazz, you know?
39:31
You know the Charlotte Hornets and teams like that, you know
39:35
it. You want him to go to like a
39:38
stable group. I think going back to Golden
39:41
State would have been good for him, but I think he had some
39:43
issues with Draymond Green that may have turned them off.
39:48
I mean, yeah, I I would like him in Charlotte, but it's for
39:51
selfish reasons. I don't think he'd be enough to
39:53
turn the team around. Speaking of teams in that same
39:57
division, that same league, the Hawks, every year we hear them
40:01
talk about Trey Young and possibly moving on like they
40:04
just have not gotten class that play and stay in phase to go to
40:08
the make a solid run for the championship.
40:11
Now it looks like they're looking to finally trade him
40:14
again. His name has been coming up in
40:16
in trade discussions. He's one of my favorite Hawks
40:19
players and so I just, I don't know where they would send Trey,
40:24
but. They're looking to try to get
40:27
their offense rebuild like they've got to make a solid run.
40:30
The Hawks have not been where they need to be for quite some
40:33
time. Yeah, the more.
40:34
Things to look. Into, believe it or not, to
40:37
just. Winning and losing the fan base.
40:42
You could. Tell me, is Freddie Young?
40:44
A big fan favorite. Do they love him?
40:47
Does he raise the profile of the Hawks franchise in Atlanta?
40:54
OK. If he's one of these popular.
40:57
Atlanta Hawk players who everyone loves.
41:00
I guess maybe you? Hold on to him unless someone
41:03
off. This year just.
41:04
But that's why they've been holding on to him.
41:07
That's the whole line. Very.
41:09
You're saying he's extremely popular?
41:11
He's OK. So for me living in Atlanta, I'm
41:14
a Hawks fan, but I but I like the Hornets because that's my
41:17
home team. But I go to Hawks games and
41:20
people literally love Trey Young.
41:24
Like he's just one of those players that kind of sticks out.
41:28
He's personable, everything. And so that's, I think that's
41:31
why the Hawks have been hanging on to him As for as long as they
41:33
have Jack, because they feel some sense of loyalty for the
41:37
fans. OK, then you then let him be a
41:41
career Atlanta Hawk. He.
41:43
Certainly doesn't hurt the. Team.
41:46
But is he? If you're good enough players,
41:49
you stop player to take you to the next level.
41:52
He was projected to be a big star in the league.
41:55
And he's the kind of guy who hit a wall.
41:57
Like we were talking about Jimmy Butler before I put Jimmy Butler
42:00
ahead of Trey Young, of course, with all he's done over his
42:03
career. But it's, you know, Trey.
42:07
Young is never going to. Be one of on the short list of
42:11
elite players in the league. Let's accept that he's going to
42:14
have great moments and he's going to be a tweener, but on
42:18
the lower end, you know, from being a superstar.
42:25
I mean, so I don't know because they literally have Trey as I
42:29
was just looking while we're talking, they have they have
42:32
Trey Young as like literally being one of their volume
42:35
players. So it's not just from a
42:38
perspective of the fans. Let's see his stats overall,
42:42
just in general. He's he played 76 of the games.
42:47
He's averaging 24.2 points per game, which is higher than Jimmy
42:52
Butler. Jack.
42:53
Somebody has got to score, somebody has got to put on nice
42:59
stats for the team. It's so deceiving.
43:03
I used to laugh with Mac like he for the box.
43:06
Scores and say, Oh, no one so chipped in with 28 points and I
43:11
said, yeah, they shot 10 for 30, you know?
43:16
Who I. We would joke.
43:19
Around about it, he would laugh about it and we'd have fun with
43:22
that. Well, he won't just sit.
43:25
He is. He was the number one leader in
43:27
the NBA for assist this last season.
43:30
I mean, is that that enough for you assist?
43:34
To the. Most might have got to do it
43:35
assist. Such an.
43:38
Overrated stat. I mean you just bring the.
43:42
Ball up slowly. Pass it to someone, they score,
43:45
you get an assist. I mean, it's just he's just
43:50
helping. He's a.
43:53
Very good player, I don't mean to diminish.
43:56
Him, yeah, No. Back up a player.
43:59
But the Hawks, are they going to take the next step with them?
44:03
Would they be better off working out a deal for him or not?
44:06
That's the question. But if he's extremely popular
44:09
with the fan base, maybe you don't want to work out a deal.
44:13
Look, we talked on the past show with the fan base.
44:17
One of the most courageous moves.
44:20
Ever was made by Donnie Walsh with the Indiana Pacers.
44:24
Everyone. In Indiana, wanted Steve Alfred
44:26
for him to draft him. Steve Alfred from Indiana, you
44:31
know, great college player on the Barbie Knight, you know, a
44:35
hero in Indiana. He drafted Reggie Miller, a
44:40
black player, OK, from California.
44:44
I mean, think of that. OK, Reggie Miller and the people
44:49
with furious, Donny Walsh said. As soon as I drafted Reggie
44:52
Miller, I went into hiding. And by and that was the right
44:56
move to make. That was the brilliant move to
44:59
make, the gutsy move to make. And imagine had the Pacers had
45:04
another GM. And they wimped out and they
45:07
took Steve out, but who never turned into a quality NBA
45:10
player. And Reggie Miller goes
45:12
elsewhere. He would have been a star no
45:14
matter where he went. I mean, think of what that would
45:17
have meant for the Pacer franchise.
45:20
I mean, just to Donnie's credit, he is an attorney.
45:25
So maybe he just felt like he was analytically choosing
45:28
things. He's still in fact, connected
45:30
with the Pacers, you know, because he's had such a
45:32
respected tenure with that organization as as being in the
45:36
front office. But he also was with the Knicks
45:38
for a little bit. Now he's just in an advisory
45:41
role. You know, he's a little older or
45:42
what have you, but he's one of the reasons why they have such a
45:46
strong culture. Even today.
45:49
They are so I, I don't know Jack, I feel like sometimes
45:53
people can overanalyze things and and you just can't ever know
45:58
100% what you're getting when you're bringing players in.
46:01
You could be thinking you're just getting an OK person and
46:03
they blow up, or you think they're a * athlete and they're
46:07
not. What you you never know what
46:10
the. Top basketball minds a sharp NFL
46:14
and Major League Baseball thinking, For example, this
46:16
year's draft. Dallas is excited and we're
46:19
assuming and I feel guilty. How you doing?
46:23
Yeah, you like? That I I was going to talk about
46:26
your shirt before we got out. Good morning, Brent.
46:32
We're we're assuming The Mavericks.
46:33
Are going to take Cooper flag #1.
46:36
What happens if they're looking at the draft and they're
46:39
thinking there's someone else that they absolutely feel is
46:44
going to be a better NBA player? But if you don't take Cooper
46:52
flag, you imagine your Nico Harrison and they say he's done
46:56
it again. He traded Luke and he's
46:58
bypassing, you know, Cooper flag.
47:03
It would take extraordinary courage to do that if you draft
47:08
Cooper flag and he doesn't make it.
47:11
That is, he's not a star. He's going to be a good player
47:14
at the very least. But if he's not a star, not a a
47:18
true impact player, no one is going to criticize Dallas
47:22
because everyone else would have made that move, for example.
47:27
The year, Michael. Jordan got drafted.
47:28
He went #3 over raw. Everyone criticizes the way they
47:33
should. The Portland Trail Blazers for
47:35
taking Sam Bowie at #2 That was a mistake.
47:40
But no one criticizes the Houston Rockets for taking Hakim
47:44
Elijah one at #1 because Hakim Elijah.
47:47
One was from the University of Houston.
47:50
He was a hero in Houston and everyone knew he was a great
47:53
player. Of course, if the Rockets could
47:56
do the draft all over again, it's great as Hakeem was.
47:59
They probably would have taken Jordan, OK number one in the
48:03
draft and then Hakeem would have gone second.
48:06
If there was a redrafting. But some mistakes, you know,
48:12
it's, it's some picks it takes. An extraordinary amount of guts
48:17
to go against what everybody wants.
48:20
I'm going to tell you this because Cooper flag has such a
48:25
comprehensive talent of the game on both sides of the ball.
48:30
Like they've compared him to so many greats and they're actually
48:34
talking about he well, he's the youngest player now to be
48:37
drafted. He's only 18, won't be 19 until
48:40
December. But basically they've compared
48:44
him to when LeBron was was drafted and you know LeBron when
48:48
he first came out. But with Cooper, he's going to
48:51
make up a be a playmaker from day one.
48:54
Doesn't have to be groomed or acclimated or any of that stuff.
48:57
Jack, if, if Dallas decides for whatever reason, like, oh, we'll
49:02
just go ahead and and give him to someone else, they are going
49:06
to be laughed for probably durations.
49:09
I mean, you think they laugh at the Cowboys?
49:12
Imagine the way they will laugh at the Mavs if they pass on
49:16
Cooper flag. Cooper, excuse me, is is very
49:21
sought after and Dallas got very lucky to be able to get #1
49:25
because I don't. I don't know if they've had a
49:27
number one pick, if ever or either quite some time.
49:30
I can't remember at the moment. But it's up there that they
49:33
never really land the number one pick on the flip side.
49:38
And Marcus Wire years. Ago, Marcus, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
49:42
yeah. Gary yeah.
49:43
Marcus Wire, that was. Marcus Wire.
49:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will tell you this.
49:50
On the flip side of that, if they draft him and he's a bust,
49:54
at least people will know they did what they were supposed to
49:57
do. You don't want to be in a
49:59
position where it's the shoulda, woulda, coulda and you were on
50:03
the side that it could have been beneficial and now somebody else
50:06
has him and they're going to the championship, but you're sitting
50:09
at home. If that was to happen, Jack,
50:11
somebody's going to lose their job.
50:14
Well, yeah, I mean, he's the obvious.
50:17
Pick Cooper flag with Dallas but I'm.
50:21
Just. Saying that basketball minds, if
50:23
they like another guy ahead of them, for example, and Zion
50:28
Williamson, the year he went, you know that the Pelicans
50:32
picked them. Number one, you had Jay Moran at
50:35
#2 and it would have taken a lot of guts by the Pelicans to draft
50:41
Jay Moran. The head of.
50:42
Zion Williams Because everyone wanted Williamson, you know.
50:48
When he on the Pelicans he was the constenses pick so.
50:55
I mean Zion was, but jaw. Jaw has really stayed in the
51:00
league for the most part. Been uninjured Zions been
51:03
plagued with injuries and that's the other thing you have to
51:05
think about. Zion came into the draft not
51:09
really in his top physical health.
51:12
Jack, he was overweight. You know, to this day they've
51:15
talked about how he needs to slim up, you know, all that
51:18
stuff. He burst out of his shoes.
51:20
None of that's happened with Cooper Flag.
51:22
Cooper is slim. He's tall, he's athletic.
51:26
He looks, you know, very much in good health.
51:29
I don't think injuries would be a concern that the injuries Zion
51:33
are having are because of his own health, you know, his own,
51:36
the way he takes care of his body conditioning.
51:39
Look the the fans in Dallas just.
51:40
Want to win with no matter who what other type of player but no
51:45
one likes to gross the topic but Kuperflex White too.
51:49
And it's red. I have.
51:51
A white superstar. So it's going to invoke memory.
51:56
Memories, maybe. Oh, is he going to be the next
51:59
Larry Bird? You know, it's wonderful.
52:02
Stuff, I mean, let's, Yeah, you know.
52:04
Yeah, I guess, you know, yeah, you talk about it like that.
52:07
I mean, because there's been so many, you know, black or African
52:10
American leaders for so long. I mean, there's there's a a
52:15
funny movie White man can't Jump that kind of like relates to the
52:19
whole basketball thing. And I guess maybe now, you know,
52:21
it is trying to transcend, transcend back to, OK, let's get
52:26
a, a leader that is, you know, white.
52:29
But then they get Yanis people from.
52:31
Overseas. Lead us the wrong word.
52:35
Cooper flag on to Dallas. Keep this in mind.
52:39
The moment Dallas traded Luca, there was a storyline developing
52:45
that people weren't thinking about.
52:47
It makes Kyrie Irving the leader that Team Kyrie Irving could
52:52
never. Be the leader.
52:54
Of the Dallas Maverick team, as long as Luca was there, now
52:57
Kyrie, the leader, Anthony Davis came on board.
53:01
Anthony Davis is willing not to be the leader per say.
53:06
I mean, he'll lead during the game, Anthony.
53:09
You know, but so Cooper flags coming on as a rookie.
53:15
OK, Anthony Davis, listen to Kyrie, just play the game hard.
53:21
And Cooper? Flag.
53:22
You know Kyrie's going to want to take him on this.
53:25
Wing this and that, and I don't mean Kyrie's intentions.
53:29
Are going to be good. Don't get me wrong, I don't
53:31
think he has an ego. Let's keep this kid in his
53:34
place. He's he's going to sincerely
53:36
want Cooper Flag to do well, that Kyrie's basically going to
53:40
be running things in a sense. And.
53:45
That could backfire, backfire. The.
53:48
Celtics, he was there with Tatum and Brown and look what
53:52
happened. Kyrie was in the leadership role
53:54
in it. Like I said, it backfired in
53:57
with the Nets. It was a disaster.
54:00
You know, with Durant and Harden, with Kyrie there, I
54:03
shouldn't say a disaster. One year.
54:05
They could have a fit and have injuries.
54:07
They could have conceivably won the NBA title.
54:10
But Harden and then Kyrie got hurt.
54:13
I let me tell you this Kyrie Irving is is borderline toxic in
54:22
my opinion. I don't want to hear of him
54:25
leading anybody, Jack. He's controversial to the point
54:30
of, and everybody's entitled to their own opinions and their own
54:33
beliefs, etcetera, etcetera. But some of the stuff that Kyrie
54:36
does and says on social media and his own, you know, the
54:40
behavior that we've seen all the way back from during the
54:43
pandemic that that started everything, I don't want to hear
54:48
about him being a leader of anybody.
54:50
Well, he's called it a Dallas, I mean, and he's just played ball
54:55
and he's kind, I don't want to say reinvented himself, but he's
54:59
kind of slipped under the radar and there's there hasn't been
55:04
any controversial comments. He's kind of kept it quiet, you
55:07
know, in a sense. So he.
55:11
Told him he needs to start silencing it a little bit if he
55:14
wants to keep a career in the league.
55:15
Like whoever his advisor is, is probably like look dude, simmer
55:20
down a little bit as we see in the South, simmer down because
55:24
you are going to have yourself over here blacklisted at some
55:27
point with with your comments and your behavior.
55:30
Well, I think it's more problem we mentioned Zion before, you
55:34
know with his off the court issue coming on right now, he
55:38
has a serious, you know, off the court issue.
55:41
Oh my God. Let's not pass judgement,
55:45
because we're not. But.
55:48
Let's not pass judgement on it. I'm just saying it's been in the
55:52
news once. It's once it's in the news, in
55:55
your public personality, you know, it's it's something that's
56:01
bad at the New Orleans Pelican front office.
56:05
No say we got to deal with this. We got.
56:08
It's out of your control once it makes mainstream because listen
56:12
to this, Jack, even though you and I are saying we're not
56:16
passing judgment because we know whatever, whatever, you know,
56:19
things happen when a person is is accused of certain things.
56:24
It doesn't matter what the court of law figures out for that
56:28
person. It's always going to now be in
56:31
people's minds. You can't unthink what you know.
56:34
That's what I always say. You can't unknown what you
56:37
already know. Absolutely, 100%.
56:41
And then that person is, you know, if someone else accuses
56:46
them of something or they're on the suspicion, that's.
56:50
You know, it's unfortunate that the.
56:52
You wish these things didn't come out publicly unless there
56:57
were until there was at least a resolution of the case or.
57:00
If he wasn't, if he's never found guilty of anything, that
57:04
doesn't come out altogether. Well this case was not even
57:09
criminals so this is just civil which would mean liability.
57:12
She just wants money basically. They didn't.
57:15
But see a lot of times when cases come out civilly, then the
57:19
prosecutors will be like, wait a minute, we didn't know about
57:22
this. Let's look at the statue of
57:23
limitations in our state to see if we still have enough time to
57:27
bring a criminal suit against this person.
57:29
And then it's built or innocence.
57:31
So this thing could go crazy. Like if they had met with a
57:34
mediator and set up behind closed doors, it would have
57:38
never made it to the media and it would never be right now.
57:41
Right now, if there's any hint of truth to this, he has to pay
57:46
just to get get this thing to go away.
57:48
But your, your reputation is now out there.
57:51
You already been injured, you already haven't been performing
57:54
at your peak level that they thought you were number one
57:56
pick, and now you have this huge personal accusation against you.
58:00
Yeah, it could be a career killer.
58:03
Really, Jack? If it's just a simple thing and
58:08
he has to pay a lot. Of money, his career is going to
58:11
continue. Well, you're.
58:13
Paying. He won't.
58:14
Be out, he won't be out of the league.
58:17
But Jack, I always say, why would you pay if you're totally
58:20
innocent of something? I agree completely.
58:23
Sometimes someone likes to. Pay a little money just to make
58:27
something go away. It's not worth the headache to
58:29
them, you know? And it depends, you know, really
58:33
depends on what's what. And you don't want to get tied
58:38
up in court and all that. What can I say, you know?
58:42
That's how it, that's how it goes.
58:43
That's how the chips fall. Jack, always a great show with
58:47
you on Wednesday. Jack and I will join you again
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for this this awesome morning. Show Wednesday.
58:52
Yeah, what do you? Come on, you already give me
58:56
giving us credit for putting on a great show in 2 days.
58:59
I'm telling you that we'll be back with you on Wednesday.
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