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Best of the Bus: Brian Callahan On Taking Over The Titans From Mike Vrabel · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: On this episode Best of the Bus, we're throwing him
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  Speaker 1: back to when the Titans hired a new head coach.
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  Speaker 1: That new head coach Brian Callen. He came on the
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  Speaker 1: bus shortly after he landed his job. Coach dived into
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  Speaker 1: his decision is bringing his dad, Bill Callahan on board
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  Speaker 1: as the old line coach and shares how the conversation
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  Speaker 1: played out behind the scenes. We talked through his coaching journey,
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  Speaker 1: every stop, every lesson, and what it takes stepping into
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  Speaker 1: the role after Mike Rabel, who was widely loved by
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  Speaker 1: the fan base. Callahan breaks down his plan of what
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  Speaker 1: he's going to keep from the culture and what's changing
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  Speaker 1: and why Titans fans should be fired up for the future.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy this episode, boys, Big hugs, Tiny kisses. Subscribe on
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  Speaker 2: Before we jumped on here, we were on the other
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  Speaker 2: side talking about Coach Bill Callahan's individual yes and Taylor
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  Speaker 2: was asking Coach Brian, do they call you coach Brian
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  Speaker 2: or did they call you coach Callahan?
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  Speaker 3: You want to know most of them call most of
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  Speaker 3: them call me.
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  Speaker 1: Cali CALLI Yeah, okay, I've got a little extra English
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  Speaker 1: on it. I like that.
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  Speaker 3: That is nice. It's it's what most people have called
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  Speaker 3: me most of my coach career. Yeah, and but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: coach works, Cali works right, well, weird people don't call
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  Speaker 3: me Brian very often. That's a weird one for me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, mister Calli it is. Then. Yeah, they was.
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  Speaker 2: Talking to Cali about the individual of coach Brian Callahan,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh yeah. Sometimes in our individual
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  Speaker 2: linebacker drills and Washington, I'd be like, all right, water
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  Speaker 2: break and then we'd be like, let's go watch the
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  Speaker 2: Let's go watch the hogs is Indy and we just
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  Speaker 2: stand across the field and watch them. They just be
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  Speaker 2: dying the whole time. It's so funny, Brod, he's coach
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  Speaker 2: Collin's a grinder he gets out of you. Coach Bill Callahan, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Coach Bill Kellyan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, what was go ahead?
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, whatever timeframes that you get
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  Speaker 2: with any constraints, you're juicing as much all the seconds
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  Speaker 2: you're getting it out of the boys.
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  Speaker 1: Has he been like that always as long as you can? Always?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, always, He's always been full till all the time.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how you get I mean, that's how guys
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  Speaker 3: get better. I mean you, like we were watching yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I think they might have done forty or fifty different
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  Speaker 3: past sets, and the filmed every one of them, and
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  Speaker 3: he cuts every one of them up to each guy,
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  Speaker 3: so you could watch all your reps for the whole
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  Speaker 3: day and see how you progressed during a day and
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  Speaker 3: got better. But yeah, it's every usable second he uses.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't ever stop.
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  Speaker 1: What's his philosophy on pass sets because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: coaches come in they're like, we do it one way
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  Speaker 1: and one way only? Is he let the guys the
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  Speaker 1: boys do what they want.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he coaches the technique that he's looking for. But
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of variants in the set, the set angles,
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  Speaker 3: if you're jump setting versus a he calls a congo
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  Speaker 3: set versus an angle set. There's there's all kinds of
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  Speaker 3: variation that they use all the time and there is
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  Speaker 3: some for like That's one of the things that I
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  Speaker 3: think he does great is he's able to have a
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  Speaker 3: conversation with a guy maybe that's played ten years, and say,
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  Speaker 3: well have you done it? And find ways to work
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  Speaker 3: with them on what fits as long as they're still
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  Speaker 3: getting the job done. Yeah, he's open to listen in
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  Speaker 3: a guy's talk, but he's a very particular way about
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  Speaker 3: how he coaches it.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's so awesome, how the old dogs are willing
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  Speaker 1: to still learn and do all that. Because you get
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  Speaker 1: some of those old old school cats, they'll come in
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  Speaker 1: and be like, you do it this way and this way.
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  Speaker 1: Only one guy. Have you ever met Russ Grim?
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  Speaker 3: I have not met him. I know him, but I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I can't say that no more.
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  Speaker 1: I was with Russ for two years, the greatest offensive
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  Speaker 1: line coach I've ever had in my entire life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and he comes in the first meeting and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: talk to me about stutter. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: guys have stuttered open open side pole scheme. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: if it's a three technique, reduce to the mic and
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  Speaker 1: if not, then you're this. He's like, oh, deuce or
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  Speaker 1: through the mic, that's it. I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: what step. He's like, just get to the mic or
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  Speaker 1: do the deuce. And he just like instead of having
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  Speaker 1: to over explain every small detail, he was like, just
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  Speaker 1: know what your job is and go get that done
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  Speaker 1: the best way you can possibly do it. That I'll
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  Speaker 1: help you along the way, and he was huge for
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  Speaker 1: my career. Yeah, keep it simple, stupid.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something to do that. Yeah, there's something to
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  Speaker 3: do that. It's I think the cool thing that fort
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  Speaker 3: like old coaches and my dad's not that old, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: but he's kind of old enough. He's older.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's old gentleman.
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  Speaker 3: And Uh, what's been super impressive about him is his
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  Speaker 3: ability to go from like being that old, like the
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  Speaker 3: old old school style of coaching, and he's really adapted
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  Speaker 3: how he approaches today's players. I mean it's different now
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  Speaker 3: even than when you guys played coming in. I mean
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  Speaker 3: you think about ten years ago, how much different the
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  Speaker 3: generation is and his ability to relate to those guys
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  Speaker 3: and still connect with them and coaches them hard as hell,
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  Speaker 3: but they all know that he cares about him.
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  Speaker 2: No one knowing that. You've seen him kind of adapt
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  Speaker 2: and develop with those times. Is there anything that you've
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  Speaker 2: asked him on, like, you know, noticing that difference in him,
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  Speaker 2: understanding that he has changed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's there's a you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: one of the things that jumped out was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they drafted Dewan James last year in Cleveland, and it
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  Speaker 3: was just he's just very different than the guys that
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  Speaker 3: he's been on and in a long time ago, he
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  Speaker 3: might have coached Dewan a very different way and ultimately
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  Speaker 3: it might not have worked very well. And just to
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  Speaker 3: see him adapt and know that maybe the way that
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  Speaker 3: I'm approaching this, Dewan's not going to respond to me
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  Speaker 3: yelling and screaming and getting in his face. I got
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  Speaker 3: to be it's positive and encouraging and trying to point
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  Speaker 3: out that these are the things that can help you.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to make a lot of money, here's
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  Speaker 3: how you do it right. And he appeals. He knows
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  Speaker 3: how to appeal to guys a lot of different ways.
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  Speaker 3: He knows the motivations I think. I mean, he's a
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  Speaker 3: master coach. He's he's got every every way to relate
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  Speaker 3: that you can relate in the book. And I asked
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  Speaker 3: him all the time, like, well, what made you do that?
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  Speaker 3: Why did you do that in this case and not
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  Speaker 3: that case? And it's because he knows the player and
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  Speaker 3: he knows how to make it work.
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  Speaker 1: When you get this job at the Tennessee Titans and
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  Speaker 1: you call your old man say I want you to
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  Speaker 1: be the old line coach from my ball club.
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  Speaker 2: How did that?
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  Speaker 1: How did that all go down?
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  Speaker 3: It was It was cool. The backstory is I interviewed
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  Speaker 3: for two jobs the year before that had gone oh well,
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  Speaker 3: A ways down the road. I felt like I was
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  Speaker 3: in the mix, and I had a conversation with him
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  Speaker 3: and I said, you know, do you want to to
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  Speaker 3: do this. I've never worked for my dad. Never he
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  Speaker 3: I never worked for him at any point. There have
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  Speaker 3: been some chances where I might have, we might have
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  Speaker 3: connected on staff to go, just never worked out. So
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  Speaker 3: I've never spent any time with him in the coaching profession.
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  Speaker 3: And so I asked him question a year ago and
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  Speaker 3: he was like, no, I don't think I want to
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  Speaker 3: do that really. Yeah, well, I mean if you think
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  Speaker 3: about too, yeah, but you think about you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot that goes into a father and sun working together,
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  Speaker 3: and this would be this is the first time that
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  Speaker 3: I think a son has ever hired their father in
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  Speaker 3: a substantial role like that. You know, It's like Kyle Shanahan,
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  Speaker 3: Mike's always been around, but he never hired him in
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  Speaker 3: an official could like. It wasn't like Mike Shanahan was
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  Speaker 3: Kyle's coordinator, right, if that makes sense. It's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a really unique setup. And so you know, we had
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  Speaker 3: to work through all those things, like my dad's like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not for everybody, I'm what if you don't what
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  Speaker 3: if you don't like the way I cod you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? And you have to have those conversations,
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  Speaker 3: and so we did, and ultimately he was like, I
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  Speaker 3: just think I really like Cleveland, like Kevin Stefanski, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy here. I like the guys in the room.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really want to leave, understand, And so I
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  Speaker 3: kind of just assumed that was going to be the
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  Speaker 3: case as this process went along, and so as I interviewed,
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  Speaker 3: I was everybody asked like, well, you know, is your
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  Speaker 3: dad coming with you? I'm like, no, he's not. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we had we had the conversation is probably not gonna happen,
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't think it would. And all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: I get the job and I call him and tell
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  Speaker 3: him I got it, and he calls the next day
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, let me think about some things and
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  Speaker 3: i'll call you back. Hold on. I was like, OK, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: I mean that that initial conversation was like absolutely thrilled.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't have it in that moment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you know, yeah, you guys have a conversation, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I got the job, proud of your son. Tears in
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  Speaker 1: both of your guys' eyes. The next day he calls
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  Speaker 1: you and without any context, goes, let me think about
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  Speaker 1: coming to help you out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that, And I think it just became one.
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  Speaker 3: It became much more real for him in that moment.
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  Speaker 3: And and I think had it been the year prior,
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  Speaker 3: I think the answer still would have been no. And
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  Speaker 3: but having it happened in real time and him going, man,
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  Speaker 3: this is what a unique opportunity to go try to
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  Speaker 3: help my son succeed.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I'd want to be a part of that.
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  Speaker 3: And so as and I'll go have my press conference,
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  Speaker 3: and we were kind of talking back and forth, and
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  Speaker 3: after the press conference, he was like, this is I
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  Speaker 3: want to make I want to do this, we need
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  Speaker 3: to do this. It'll be it'll be really pretty fun.
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  Speaker 3: And it's been maybe the coolest experience of my coaching
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  Speaker 3: career is to be able to go to work with
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  Speaker 3: my dad every day. It's been pretty sweet.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, you had a unincredible press or when you're talking
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  Speaker 2: about with your dad, like there's a lot of perspective,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of just like you can tell when you
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  Speaker 2: say that, like you genuinely mean it. Oh yeah, Was
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  Speaker 2: there a reason that you got that you guys were
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  Speaker 2: never on the same staff. Is there something about saying
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  Speaker 2: maybe yourself that where it's like, Hey, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be known this way and I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: feel like I get any handouts from somebody who's already
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  Speaker 2: been there, done that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, that's true. One of the things I had finished.
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  Speaker 3: My dad was at at Nebraska at the time. I
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  Speaker 3: was just finishing my playing career, and he goes, he said,
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  Speaker 3: you look, you can come to Nebraska and you can
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  Speaker 3: be a GA here for me. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: do that. I have a spot you can come do that.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, but what I would recommend to you is
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  Speaker 3: you've been at UCLA for for four years. You know
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  Speaker 3: the people that you know the place. They have also
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  Speaker 3: said we'd love to have you in this role if
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  Speaker 3: you want to come when you graduate and do be
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  Speaker 3: AGA here at UCLA. And my dad was like, I
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  Speaker 3: really think you should stay at UCLA, And in that moment,
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  Speaker 3: I was like like damn dad, like. But the best
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  Speaker 3: advices he had ever given me was he goes, starting
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  Speaker 3: to make your own way. He goes, it's already you're
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  Speaker 3: already gonna get all these you know, all the the
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  Speaker 3: nepotism and all stuff that goes around coaching. Where it's
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  Speaker 3: like he goes, but you've I didn't give you your
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  Speaker 3: first job, and he goes, that will matter at some
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  Speaker 3: point for you, and I want you to make your
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  Speaker 3: own way and and make your own connections and meet
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  Speaker 3: your own people that can help you, as opposed to
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  Speaker 3: me being the one to do it. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that was the best advice you could have given me,
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  Speaker 3: and it probably was the best thing that happened to me.
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  Speaker 3: He was not going to work for my dad and
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  Speaker 3: staying where I was at any point.
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  Speaker 1: Were you guys close to working together in the past.
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  Speaker 3: No, And nothing that came up. You know, when we
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  Speaker 3: first got to Cincinnati, there there was some there was
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  Speaker 3: a chance that maybe it could have worked out. But
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  Speaker 3: it's Zach's first job and he's he wants to hire
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  Speaker 3: the people that that he wanted to hire, and it
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  Speaker 3: never got It was never more than like a curiosity, like,
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  Speaker 3: oh I wonder if that would work, and it just
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  Speaker 3: he was still in Washington at the time, and it
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  Speaker 3: was all he was again, happy where he's at. He's
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  Speaker 3: got a good line there. It was no big deal.
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  Speaker 3: So it never never went any further than curiosity. But
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  Speaker 3: it no, we've never been really close at any point
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  Speaker 3: to working together, which is kind of crazy to think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about how you cut your teeth into the
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  Speaker 2: business and being a GA at U c l A
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  Speaker 2: and moving on from that role.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, typical GA stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I made coffee and got people food and worked long
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  Speaker 3: hours and you know, we had a really good staff
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  Speaker 3: there at UCLA, which it's someday someone will write a
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  Speaker 3: story about it. But Eric Banniman was the running backs coach.
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  Speaker 3: John Embry was our tight ends coach. Dino Babers was
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  Speaker 3: the receivers coach. Tom Cable was the offensive coordinator. Jim
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  Speaker 3: Soboda was a quarterbacks coach. We had all these guys
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  Speaker 3: that all went on to be head coaches, you know,
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  Speaker 3: within a certain period of time. I'm and a really
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  Speaker 3: dynamic staff, all these and so I got to learn
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  Speaker 3: from all these guys as a really young coach, which
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  Speaker 3: probably a huge reason of why that experience was so
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  Speaker 3: good for me, but man, it was a it's a
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  Speaker 3: grind GA life is is uh is not for everybody,
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  Speaker 3: And back then that was you only had two gas
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  Speaker 3: that could be on the field, and so it was
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  Speaker 3: like it was two or three guys that did everything.
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  Speaker 3: Now you have all these analysts and there's all this
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  Speaker 3: different stuff that they didn't have back then. By rule
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  Speaker 3: you couldn't have anybody else anybody on But it depends
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  Speaker 3: on where you went. Now U C l A. I
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  Speaker 3: can guarantee you.
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  Speaker 1: That because followers the Bruins, Huh yeah, it was me.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, the gas there were me, Clark Lee, head
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  Speaker 3: coach at Vanderbilt, Ryan Ficken, who's been in the NFL
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  Speaker 3: for quite some time as a special teams coordinator, and
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: Phil Rauscher, who's the line coach at the Jags. And
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: so it was a bunch of guys, like we were
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: all young coaches and we've all had these pretty good careers,
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: but that was all we had and we had to
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  Speaker 3: do every We did everything really, I mean operation stuff,
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  Speaker 3: grinding all the tape, breaking it all down, breaking all
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  Speaker 3: the tape down before all the PFF dat I got
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  Speaker 3: supplied to everybody. I mean you had to break down
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  Speaker 3: the down and distance. You didn't know what personnel in
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  Speaker 3: the fields. You couldn't see the jersey numbers because the
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  Speaker 3: tape wasn't an HD. It's just a whole different way
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  Speaker 3: of doing things than it is now. But it was
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  Speaker 3: it was a lot of work. It was hard soul.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't look over at the SEC and go, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they got a lot of guys over there, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: should do a couple of things too, No.
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  Speaker 3: Like that. Yeah, yeah, we or they just didn't have
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  Speaker 3: the you know, it is a public.
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  Speaker 1: Means yeah, I mean yeah, but usually there's a nice area.
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  Speaker 1: It's Pasadena for sure.
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  Speaker 2: But as far as like calling the shots, the big
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  Speaker 2: wigs like a fair enough football over everything, we'll find
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  Speaker 2: a way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very very academically drove.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very academically. Not every school can do both,
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  Speaker 1: like Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: From a sports standpoint, finding all the edges, yeah, signals.
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  Speaker 1: You brought up a PFF what's your what's your stance
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  Speaker 1: on PFF's rating system.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's value in a baseline, like there is
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  Speaker 3: some things that you can you can you can look
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  Speaker 3: at it, and there's a number that they assigned to, uh,
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  Speaker 3: particularly to some positions that are really hard for like
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  Speaker 3: the average person to have any idea what is good
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  Speaker 3: and bad. But as far as like is at the
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  Speaker 3: end all be all and the grading system not at all.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's you got to watch the game. You
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  Speaker 3: have to understand assignments. And they've gotten better, I will say,
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  Speaker 3: like the grading system has gotten better over the years.
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  Speaker 3: They've refined it. I use it more for some of
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  Speaker 3: the just the amount of data that they have. I
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  Speaker 3: can go, let me see every screen from every team
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  Speaker 3: for the last four years, and I can pull them
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  Speaker 3: all up and watch them all. Yeah, and that's where
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  Speaker 3: the value and that is for me. The grades, I
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  Speaker 3: don't really you know, I don't really put a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot of stock in the grades.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like they'll probably use the grades like have
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: that there, and then obviously every team does their own
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: and then I'm sure that they.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: There's a benchmarks a little bit yea, yeah, there's a
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: bench more. I mean, it does give you it is
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: a halfway accurate depiction of what a what a good
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: and bad might look like, you know what I mean.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cut and dry, but the gray areas I
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: feel like, is where PF because if they're not there
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: with the language of the play call and what the
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: exact technique is supposed to do. Taylor, I don't hate
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: PFF at all, but there was a like, there's a
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: time where players, players in the locker room and the
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Titans were like kind of worried that if their PFF
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: grade was bad, that teams and coaches were looking at that.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Do coaches look at the PFF grade ever, and.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: Go, no, no, no, maybe we should maybe we're doing
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: something wrong. No, I don't think I've never looked at
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: it like that. Yeah, I've not been around anybody that
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: ever has used that as like that's our grade for
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: a player. You still great a player, watch the tape
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: and understand what's being asked systematically as well, other than
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: just hey, this guy graded at a eighty two point six, Like,
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Number.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: That's a numb.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a solid numb.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't be so mad about.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: It, yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: There would be the time where you feel strongly about PFF,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: but then you grade out well, so then it's like,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: all right, where are you going to stand? You know,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like, say you hate PFF but you're
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: ninety five.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, I mean I did have a situation,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: I might be honest something. Yeah, Yeah, I had a
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: situation in twenty sixteen where they were grading me well
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: and then Paul Kaharsky, the group of the Titans and
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: news guys were like, how do you feel about that?
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I took a stance then and there they don't they
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: don't run the show. Yeah, they don't run the show.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Quickly my grades went down, so I don't know. Yeah,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: that's where they might kind of start. Yeah, it might
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: be a little bit of ticket over the PFF.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: With your throughout your coaching journey, you've been at some
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: cool spots. Which spot or stop that you've been at
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: has you feel like has been the most pivotal for
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: where you are now?
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: God, They've all, all, for different reasons, have been really
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: really influential. The two that the two of the most
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: are are my time in Denver with Peyton Manning for
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: four of those six years I was there, and then
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: the journey in Cincinnati from where we started to where
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: we ended up. Those two spots are probably the most
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: because they're the longest days I had, they were the
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: most influential. Obviously, being around Peyton manning for any amount
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: of time is a is a blessing in and of itself.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he's that was like a PhD quarterback.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: While we grow him here at the bus, the fly
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: keeps flying around.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Look, you don't have mean cicadas in here yet, I
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: know we're.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: They're everywhere out here. Dude, Watching Peyton in that last
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: year where he necessarily couldn't throw it beyond five ten yards,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: what was it like sitting back? Yeah, I mean, I'm
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: sure he'd say it, well, watching him operate from being
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: more limited than he ever.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Has, Yeah, it was really it was a It was
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: a wild year because we had just transitioned from Gary
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Kubiak was the head coach, and then they brought that
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: whole system which was vastly different from the one that
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: he had run for the better part of eighteen years
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: at that point, and so there was a big back
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and forth there. He had gotten injured that year and
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: missed a bunch of time and then came back for
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. At the very end, brock Oswaller I think
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: had thrown a couple interceptions and they replaced him at
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: halftime right at the very end of the season in
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: like a must win game against the Chargers, and then
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: he ended up playing the playoffs. It was just it
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: was a roller coaster season. It was a lot of
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: ups and downs. But what the cool part was used
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: to saw what made him so great was his ability
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: to process and know what to do and when to
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: do it in the moment. Like it was unbelievable. And
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: even with a diminishing physical skill set. He wasn't what
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: he was when he was in his twenties. I mean,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: it was unbelievable what he pulled off with his brain
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: and just being able to know what to do with
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: the football.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's he like watching at practice? Like I've had
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: teammates who have played with him, They're like, you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: if a tight end drops the ball, he'll take he'll
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: take the He'll remove the tight end, even if even
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: if you're back there like oh no, get back out there.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: The Sheriff's like, no, no, give me somebody else who's
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: going to catch the ball and be dependable in these moments?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Like what was he likes?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Accurate?
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: That's what it was. It was. It was a standard
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and it's actually funny. We're having a conversation today about
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: guys that are like that get to that point in
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: their careers that have the pelts on the wall and
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: the experience, but on top of that, the pressure, you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the expectation is that they're gonna win every game. Aaron Rodgers,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady, Drew Brees. Those guys get to a certain
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: point in their career where they don't allow anything other
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: than what the highest standard is possible, and if you
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: don't meet it, you're not gonna be playing with them.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: And that's how he operated and and I appreciated that
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: because he's got all the pressure he's got. I gotta
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I gotta do my part. And if I'm if I'm
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: gonna do all this, then I'm gonna make sure everybody
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: around me is is at the same level that I am.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And I thought that was a really cool thing to
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: witness and in person. But that's how it would be
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: if you if you didn't if you missed an assignment.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: He was particularly ruthless on like running backs and protection
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: and he had to be able to trust him to
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: do because he didn't. You know, I don't want to
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: get hit, right and if they missed an assignment, it
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: was like give me the next one, or like if
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: he's if he's coming into the game, I'll come out,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Like that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: It was that intensity and the expectation he's coming into the.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Game, Kelly, you don't put him in the game, will
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: be out?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. If I see him coming on the field, you'll
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: see me walking off.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: It h So that part was just it's it's just
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: a demand of the standard of what you expect every day.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: And it was awesome and again everybody rose to meet it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You know, we had young players and Eric Decker and
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Demarus Thomas and c. J. Anderson. I mean, he meet
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: some guys that that were unproven at the time that
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: he helped make what they became. And it was a
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: really cool process to be a part of. Man, he's
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: unlike anybody I've ever been around.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: What's it like with the coaches during practice when he's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: sending a guy away and the coach is like, no,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you're in, and there's like this kind of this battle
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of egos between the sheriff and the coach. Does it
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: get uncomfortable at all? Is there like in the meeting room.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Like this, Can we be honest about it. It's if
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want him in, he's not gonna be whether
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: coaches aren't.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Saying a word like yeah, I mean you probably eight.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I mean that's just what That's just what it was,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: and that's why and you and you, and it wasn't
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: like that all the time, but like there was, there
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: was a standard and if you didn't meet it, the
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: expectation was that you wouldn't be you wouldn't be there
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: playing with them. But that's also what drove guys to
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: be even better than they thought they could be, was
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: because they wanted to be a part of it and
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: they wanted to be in that mode. They wanted to
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: be counted on. And it's amazing what happens when you
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: got a guy making sure that you better do it
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: right or you can't be Yeah, it drives you to
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: be great.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Truth you. So you had Peyton Manning and then you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: go to Cincinnati and you get blessed with Joe Cool
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Yeah, what is Joe.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Have a staff and says the two years in Detroit
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: were phenomenal. It was I God, Matthews talk about underrated man,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Like I think he's one of the best quarterbacks in
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: football and has been for a long time, and I
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: think he finally gets his due, but there was a
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: while there where he didn't. And he might be one
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: of the toughest players I've ever been around, and one
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: of the most crazy talented quarterbacks that I've seen play.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's unbelievable.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: That clip of them in like a two minute drive
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to win the game and he like gets his shoulder
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: out or something like that and he's on the sideline
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: like that in his career. Yeah, yes, that was like
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: just one of the cooler things you see a quarterback
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: do because he's like hurt and he's like, I'll do it,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and he throws a touchdown the games over they win.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: He's like, should think it was broke and he broke
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: his collar bone? No, ship, Yeah, I think that's what
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: it was if I remember correctly. But yeah, he's ah, you
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: want to talk about I mean, you guys know the
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: things that guys play through that people don't know about,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: uh is it would be shocking. I think if people
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: knew what the guy's dealt with during a football season
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: and the things that he played through and the toughness
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: that he had, it was it might be the toughest
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: guy I've ever seen. I mean, truthfully, oh yeah he is.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: He is hard nosed, tough at all get out, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: he's an awesome guy to be around. I don't know
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: how much time you guys have spent with him, but
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I never I.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Don't think I met him either.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You just hear he just like that time.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Why do you think he was still under raid for
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: so long?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Just because Yeah, they didn't win enough, you know, And
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: that's again, that's a the wins tend to become a
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: quarterback stat which they probably shouldn't be. But there he
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: was on teams that were probably on the on the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: brink and could never quite get over that hump. And
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and then obviously he goes to l A and he's
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: been lightning on fires and every time, I mean, he's
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: been unbelievable. There, wins the super Bowl, all the like.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: It's he's finally I think, getting his due as a player.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: But he was that player before he got to LA
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: He just didn't probably get the recognition for it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And then you get Joe b. Yeah, yeah, you've been
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: around some cats.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I've been very lucky.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I've been very like Mad Stafford, Joe Burrow what are
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: the similarities that all three of those guys have, And
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: then you talked about a little bit on the way
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that Staff was, Peyton was, and then also some differences
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: with Joe b.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. It was very different because
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Peyton was obviously going and I think when he came
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to Denver that was like year fifteen. When I went
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: was when I was with Matthew. I think Matthew was
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: going into like seven eight, A, seven eight, nine ten somewhere.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: He was. He had been playing for a couple of years.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: And then having Joe was different because Joe was a
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: rookie obviously a highly highly regarded and his reputation preceded
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: him when he got drafted. But yeah, he was still
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: a rookie and then so that was a really fun
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: process to try to help that development from being a
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: rookie and as you guys know, rookies are rookies eve
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: no matter how good they are, still takes some time.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: But to see him become everything that we thought he
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: could become and he knew he could become was pretty awesome.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: And that's because he shares a lot of the same
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: traits that that Peyton and Matthew have in terms of
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: you know, there's just an edge to the there's just
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: something about those guys, and you know it when you
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: see it, where they just don't accept anything other than
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: the best and there is no such thing as failure
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: like they do not there they won't fail, they can't fail,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and there's there's a willpower in that. I think that's
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: kind of the baseline of who they are. And then
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: there's a drive to be the best there is and
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: there's just and then he has the ability to deliver
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: on it, which is pretty cool. Very different personality than
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Peyton and Matthew. They're all very unique, but they share
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: that commonality where they're they're at their core, they're they're assassins.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: When did you win, Joe?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: When Joe walks into the the Bengals franchise and he said,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: takes rookies, doesn't matter how good they are, takes them
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit of time. When did you know, Okay,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: we got the franchise quarterback?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Probably about halfway through that first year where you're still
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: kind of figuring some things out. Obviously it's a COVID year,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: so it's even more challenging. So he has no offseason.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: We don't have any OTA's there's all virtual.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: God, imagine picking up a playbook so hard.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: And and then there's no fans in the stadium. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: his first game, we play the Chargers, and this is
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the game where uh Tyrod got injected and they punched
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: a lung and so then it was Herbert and him
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: playing and Joe goes down at the very end of
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the game. It would been like the legend of Joe
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Burrow would have only grown end of the game. Goes
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: down and throws a fade stop to aj Green in
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the corner of the end zone and they calls for OPI.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: So the game winning touchdown gets called back. So we
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: go kick it field goal to tie it, and our
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: kicker cramped and missed the game winning field goal. There's
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: no there's nobody in the stands cramps and we miss,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and so here's this, like here's this like busting out
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: of the scene. Here comes Joe Burrow come back win
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: last minute when in his first start, and it just
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: it isn't And it was like, that's that's that's unfortunate.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: You saw a glimpse of that and that in that drive, like, oh,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: this guy, it's gonna be pretty good, I think, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: then each game he successively got better. And I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the one game you probably played in potentially, I think
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Tennessee came to Cincinnati and we had lost, and we
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: had five new starters up front, and then we had
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: signed Quinton Spain on Friday and he started at left
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: guard on Sunday, yes, and so we had we had
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: a guy that hadn't practiced with us, and we had
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: five new starters. And that was the game where Joe
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: sort of took it on it and took it on
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: his back and we ended up winning the game. We
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: played pretty well, and it was that game when it
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: was like he's arrived.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: This is the guys.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: He is what we thought he was going to be.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And then he goes and plays good for another I think,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: maybe one more week, two more weeks, and he gets
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: hurt in Washington and tears me up. So the season,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: but he was we were hitting this rise, we were
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: we were gonna win. I think we would have won
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a handful of games on a stretch, and I think
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: people would have looked like, oh, here he comes, but
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: he gets hurt and it's out. Nobody knows how good
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: he's really going to be and he ultimately sacrificed his
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: knee for Jamar Chase because that allowed us. We were
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: not very good after that, and we picked Jamar next
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: year the fifth overall.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But a lot of stuff came up in that draft
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: where when when he gets hurt, everyone's like they need protection.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: You just said all the offensive lineman route. You sign
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a guy off the streets, he comes and starts for
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you that week, and you guys go pick Jamar Chase.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Where was the thought process in that building when you're
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: evaluating because you're you're thinking franchise quarterback. We know this
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is the guy, we got to get him offensive lineman?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: What was? It was the Pine sul it was and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Jamal That was like the big debate. It's like, how
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: do the how can the Bengals not draft a left tackle?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Looking back on it, you can't go wrong like both
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: those yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Both of me, Like these guys are gonna both be
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: all pro players and whoever you pick was going to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: be right. But you we went back and forth and
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: there was plenty of debate, plenty of opinion on it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and ultimately I had went back to my time in
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Denver when we had Damarius Thomas Eric Decker and then
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Emmanuel Sanders, and then in the slot we had Wes Welker.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Uh and we were we were And.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I was so nasty underrated, Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Very very good player. And we we had a game
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: against New England when we were in Denver down the
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: stretch and it was two bad was back to back
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: plays or maybe two out of three plays. End of
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the game. We had to go win the game and
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: we hit two go balls down on each one each side.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I think one was Marius, one was to Emmanual, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: it was like, man, when you gotta win versus press coverage,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter who you have up front. If you
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: can't have a guy that can go win that matchup,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have a hard time throwing the ball to
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: win in the NFL, and that always just stuck with me,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: and I always thought that was a good way to
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: build an offense. Is that make sure you have guys
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: that can win. And you know, we getting this debate
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: back and forth about the tackle and the receiver, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I said, if he can win
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: fast enough, it's not gonna matter how long we buy.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: If he can win quick, we can get the ball
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: out quick. And one of the things that Joe does
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: so well is play on time in process, and so
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the ball gets distributed and it's like, well, we can
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: negate some of the offensive line issues if we've got
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: elite playmakers outside. And that was my stance, and then
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: it's a couple of other people had some didn't have that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So it went back and forth, but ultimately we landed
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: on that Jamar would be the the gay that scores touchdowns,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: would be one that would be more helpful for our offense,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: and thank god we did.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So you were the guy that brought Jamara Cincinnati.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to claim that. I'm not going to
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: claim I'm just telling you my perspective on the argument
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: was that, and I voiced that. I mean, that was
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: my prerogative the voice that as a coordinator, and I
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: think Zach felt the same way as Zach Taylor. I
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: think he landed on that same argument. So the two
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: of us sort of were in agreement, but ultimately it
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: was that's a Zach Taylor, Duke Tobin, and Mike Brown
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: decision that gets made. But that's that was the argument
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: back then.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: The most fiery or drama filled moment in a war
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: room that you've seen.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Hold on, can I just did you guys talk to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow at all about Hey, should we go tackle
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: why Receeve ever being a rookie, but knowing he's.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Your friend, Joe's involved, we kept Joe in the loop
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: on all the personnel decisions and the thought process, and
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: we actually talked to him at because he knew Jambar
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: and so Jamar didin' if you if you remember, Jamar
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: didn't play that year because it was COVID year and
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: he sat out and so there wasn't any recent film
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: on him other than the year that he was tearing
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: up the sec with Joe killing and so Joe was like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Joe didn't Joe was like, I'll take Jamar every every
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: day and twice on Sunday like this, It's not even
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a debate for him. He because he knew what he was,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: he knew how impactful he could be. And so Joe
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: was all in favor of Jamar in that situation and
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I'm glad he was.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: So I forgot make sure you get that same question. Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: most fiery or drama filled tense moment in a in
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: a war room that you've that you've been a part
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of or witnessed.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: You know, not all there hasn't been as many were.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Somebody who look back, you're like, man, maybe they should
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: we should have took that guy.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's always that. I mean, I would say the
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: debates between the players that were available to us and
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: at pick five that year was pretty intense. I mean,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: there was some guys that felt like Kyle Pitts was
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: a really fantastic prospect coming out and he was the
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Pinnae seul. Those the other guys that were involved with
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Obviously DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Watta were both in that conversation,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So those were pretty Those were pretty intense conversations because
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: guys were pretty convicted on what they thought those players
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: can be. And so I remember a good couple back
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and forth on some of those debates on this player
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: over this player, and ultimately when you look back, like, well,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: we weren't gonna be wrong either way. All those guys
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: ended up being great players, So we know nobody was
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: wrong in that regard. But when you're debating on who
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to pick, and do you take Pena Suol or do
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you do you take Pina Suol and try to take
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Devon Smith and you know what's the what what player
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: are you looking at? And you obviously account for some
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: of those quarterbacks going and you look at the world
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: of player you're in and you got a debate like hell,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: And those usually means that you made the best decision too,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: because you've you've fleshed out all the all the good
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: and bads and pros and cons of all the players.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And but those were pretty intent. Those debates are pretty intense.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Those are the ones that I remember the most because
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: you're picking at five, that's a that should be a
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame style player and you can't get it wrong.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with with that clock ticking down at five, how
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: long did that discussion go up before someone's like, hey,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: we got to call this thing in Or was it
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: pretty decided when knew.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: You once you knew where the players are, because we
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: weren't sure who was going to Gore is gonna go
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: to Atlanta? You didn't know, You didn't know if Miami
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: was going to try to trade up. There was a
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: whole lot of stuff going on that until you're on
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the clock, you don't know. But the decision had been
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: made prior to the draft, even starting that if this
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: this is the order we're going to go in. If
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: this is if Jamar's there, we're taking them. If Jamar's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: not there, we're taking Pena. If those two are both gone,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: we're taking this guy. So that stuff all gets settled
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: out prior to the draft, even starting.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: When you when you hearing you talk about the Bengals
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and how you guys established your offense gets me fired
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: up for the Titans because you're seeing how you view
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: the field, how you veel you need guys to win
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and press one on one coverage and you're getting all
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: these athletes in there, all you have so many, so
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: much talent on the offensive side of the ball. Now, like,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: what what's the expectation WHI should be happening for the Titans?
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: We win it all this year? Is this it?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I tell I tell Jack and Garrett back there, who've
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: been Titans fans. It's the inception of Tennessee that we're
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: gonna win the Super Bowl.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I tell our guys all the time that we don't
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: make any any predictions or promises, So I I certainly
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: can't step out here. And that's good meeting set, that's
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: good anything other than that. I will say this though,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I am excited about what we've done. The players we've added,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I think they're all you know, we had with Calvin
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Ridley and and Tyler Boyd and and de Hop coming back,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: and Tony Pollard mixed mixing him with with Taj Spears,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and you get a chance to draft J. C. Latham,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: and you got a year two for Peter Skronsky and
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: now you go sign Lloyd Kushienberry. To sound like, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: feel like there's some there's some really exciting pieces that
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you know, if we can put it all together, I
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: think we have a chance. And obviously I believe in
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Will Levis. It's a large reason why I took the
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: job is that I think he's capable of being a
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: really good player. Uh and he has not disappointed so
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: far in the Austinson program. He's fantastic, does everything you
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: ask the way you want it. And I'm I'm excited
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: to see what we have. I was just I'll leave
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it at that. I think we we can. I think
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: we can put together a competitive football team.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: What do you see in Will Levis? Because again, we
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: just rattled off three guys that you've been around paid
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Manning Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: What do you see similarly with with Will the drive?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: He's got the drive. He wants to be a great player. Uh,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: he wants to do whatever it takes to be a
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: great player. I think one of the cool things about
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: watching We'll get to play last year and in some
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: pretty adverse circumstances is you saw his toughness.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I think that's kind of a common theme with these guys,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: is they all have this kind of innate toughness that
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that guy's rally around. You know, when you see when
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: you see a quarterback out there, you know, diving for
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: a first down, or or taking a shot and making
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: a great throws, he's taking one on the chin. That's
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: the kind of guy you want to play for, right
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Like you go, you go, yeah, let's I can do
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: this guy? Can this guy can do enough for me
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: to play hard with. And you saw all those things
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: on tape last year, and you saw his physical talent.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Obviously I don't want him jumping and diving and flipping
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: around for first downs because let's not do that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Let's not do that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Let's see that's that's that's the that's the brand. I
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: mean you need that thing to work. So we'll try
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: to lessen some of that. But I think he's proven
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: uh his toughness to the to the guys and the
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: team and the people in the NFL look at him
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: and go, all right, this guy he's got a chance.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Now let's give him as much talent around him as
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: possible and and and see if we can help him
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: with a system offensively to have some success. And he's
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: got all the traits that you look for. Though as
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: far as the drive and determination to be great, UH
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: is there. And that's that's exciting.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: With the with Ran, like you walk into the building
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and for the nine years I was with the Titans,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: like day one and two of free agency, nothing ever
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: happened with the Titians. We kind of sit back, let
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the first wave go, and you kind of pick pieces
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: up in the middle market. You guys came in started
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: just cleaning house immediately, do you and Ran? How clear
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: is your guys' conversation of where you want the direction
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to go? Like, how that's just on the same page. Clear?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Him and I hit it off in the interview process,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and he was a guy that that I just connected
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: with immediately. You know, you meet people you and you
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: just there's just something about the connection. You're like, this
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: is this is the kind of person I want to
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: go to work with every day. And it has been
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: that way from the minute we stepped on our first
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Zoom interview through today, it's been It's been everything I
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: thought it would be in terms of our working relationship
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: and our vision, uh and how we want to execute
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the vision and what it's going to take to get
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the team competitive to where we like we can contend
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: for the division and for the playoffs and ultimately for
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl someday. That we've been on the same
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: page with everything and it's been really really fun, Like
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: it's not like that everywhere, as you guys know, you
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: don't always get that connection, and it's it's been incredible.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: And he's got a great feel for what football is
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: supposed to look like we see it the same way.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And man, when you go into a free agency period
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: and you're in lockstep and with Chad Brinker as well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: where you're like, this is the direction we're heading, you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: feel really good about it. And then the coolest part
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: about it is you get to a certain point in
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: free agency where things don't always you know, we didn't
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: get everybody we initially thought we were going to get.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And so a guy goes here and a guy goes there,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and now you look around. Well, the difference and the
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: good teams in free agency is how fast do you pivot?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: And so we lose two or three guys and all
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: of a sudden we look up and we're like, we
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: should probably check in on Calvin Ridley and see where
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: that's at. You know, we got some we got money,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: we didn't think we're going to have. We lost a
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: guy or two that we thought we were going to
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: get back and we didn't. So let's let's check in.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Let's see where it's at. And so then thats started
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and kind of swooped in the middle of the night
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: and stole Calvin out of there. And that was because
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: you just you gotta fluid. You're able to pivot. You
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: have a you have a plan in place, and when
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the plan doesn't go exactly the same, you know where
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the next spot is. And I thought Ram was masterful
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: in the free agency process.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: With with like your philosophies and the way you want
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: to kind of cultivate your first job being a head coach,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Like what you inherited with the Titans. From the familiar
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: faces who are still here, what are some of the
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: directions and vision you wanted to kind of take this
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: team internally in the building. Yeah, from what you'd understood
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: most previously.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I think the thing about the Titans, I
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: think really for the history of the of the organization
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: in Nashville, is that it's always been a tough ass team.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: You know, regardless of of the players that have been
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: on the team, there's just a there's been a tradition
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: of this toughness. Every time we ever played Tennessee. It
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: was like, buckle up, boys, like you're gonna get You're
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: gonna get every it's gonna be everything you got, everything
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: they got, and it's gonna come down to the end.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: And that's how I've always viewed the Titans every time
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: we've ever played them, for the years of in the NFL.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: It's just there's always been good players here. It's always
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: been tough teams. They've always been well coached, and that
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: part is the part you want to stay. That's sort
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: of like an ethos of the organization. You want that
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: to be a part of who they always are, regardless
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: of who's in charge. And the other part that I
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: believe in is that you want guys that love being
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: around each other, that love being in the building together,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and you want an environment that they love working with
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: their coaches too, And so there's a there's a feeling
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: that you want when you when you wake up in
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: the morning and you got to go to work, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: there's it's one of two ways. Either you're like, fuck man,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I want to go to work today.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I've been there a couple of days.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or it's like like hell yeah, I can't wait
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: to get to work. And that's the what I what
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I'm going for is that second option where guys wake
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: up and can't wait to be in the building because
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: they love what they're doing and who they're doing it with,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: and there's a connection amongst the people that are doing
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: it with. I g's what you need about where we
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: are in Tennessee now with Rand and myself is that
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: it's a very open building and there's a lot of
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: back and forth. Like you see Ram walking in the
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: hallways and he's out of practice and he's dapping guys
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: up and he's talking to him in the lunch room,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: and I'm around and I'm visible, and there's our personalities
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: play off each other, and I think we hired a
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: coaching staff that's the same way. And I hope the
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: players feel that when they're in the building. I think
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: if you ask most of them, they would feel, at
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: least to start, that's how it feels. But I want
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: guys that love coming to work and playing football together
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: because everybody's got money, everybody's got talent, and I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: that's what separates teams is what kind of locker room
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: do you have? What kind of people are in the building,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what matters the most.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: When we went into the French the facility, it seemed
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: like everybody was way more loose. Guys were coming up
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to us saying, hey, like it's different, like things is.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: The energy is different. There's a higher vibe here that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't take away from anything from John and Vrave, like
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: they there was a Patriots Way type of vibe where
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: but holes are tight when you go into a team
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: meeting and you know you can get exposed if you
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: have a bad play at practice. So it was like
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: ones got to be on their ship to know that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: on Sunday we're gonna go win, Like, how long once
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you got in the building and got with the guys,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: did you see the transition of them, like letting their
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: shoulders down, letting their guard done a little bit. I'll
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, we can we can mix it up
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit with the coach. Yeah, it's headball coaching
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: a GM. That's that's a tough to guys to mix
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it up with and feel.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Comfortable unless you like that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: That's been in the game for a long time.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: And I still feel like guys get nervous sometimes around
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: me and I don't. It's new for me being in
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: the role too. I realized how.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Much your position.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I feel like cool guy. I'm learning more about the
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: weight of my words and my interactions and how much
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: it matters to guys when maybe you don't think twice
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: about it, but it might be the only time you
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: interact with the head coach the for a week, and
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: like that hit that sticks with guys. I remember even
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: as a player that how that would stick with me.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: And I'm much more mindful of that now than maybe
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I ever was, And even as the days go by,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: it stands out sometimes. But I think that there's a
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: lot of ways to win in the NFL, there's not
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: one set way that you have to take. And I
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: think as long as you're kind of authentic to what
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: you believe in, you can you can build the program
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and in the image that you think is the right way.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: And I just believe that there's a when you come
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: to work and there's a there's a looseness and and
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: and a joy in the process.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: It makes a really hard profession a little less hard.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: And I think when you get into the the part
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: that when it is really hard, when you're in December
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: and it's tough, and you're banged up and it hurts
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: uh to go practice every day, there's something other than
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: the money motivating you to go out there and and
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: play with the boys, Right, I mean that's kind of
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: what that's what you want. And yeah, I think an
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: environment that's got some joy to it and some fun
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: and some energy, I think takes a little bit of
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: the edge off of how hard it can be. And
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: it can be hard, you know, it's even when everything's great,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: even when everything works well, there's always days where it's hard.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: And I think that if you have a locker room
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: and a building that's conducive to a little bit of
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: fun and excitement and and authentic. I mean, I am
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: who I am. I'm gonna I don't want to try
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: to be anybody else. And that's just always been my personality.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: And I think that hopefully that that that shows up
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: in what our team looks like.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't lying. I mean the playing football every
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: day is it's a grinder, especially like you're saying later
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: in the year, it gets dark a little earlier. You're
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: feeling on your nick last week of October is like
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: the worst the walk through today, or have to lace
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: some up and you're right too. Like jokes you might
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: say as a position coach or a coordinator might hit
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a little differently to an athlete. But if you're saying
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: a joke as a head coach, like the athlete could
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: be driving home like fuck, does he think I'm just rash?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Like you're in your own head, But if he gives
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you something positive. Can remember Shanahan one time he came
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: up all interception machine. This is like my rookie year.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I had had two interceptions in a practice. I just
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: remember just writing on cloud nine thinking, like, you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the head ball coach noticed me, you know, so it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: gotta be like interesting knowing that your words do carry
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: like a different weight to everybody.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I walked in one day, I walked in
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: to talk to one of the assistant coaches like I
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: normally would like when I was a coordinator, and I'm
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: kind of busting balls. But I kind of sees like
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: the reaction on his face was like, oh, what like
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: to do something wrong, I'm buying in trouble And I
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: was like, Oh, I probably shouldn't. I probably need to
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: probably need tone that one down, and yeah, make it,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: make it not feel so.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Like, tone it down or tell whoever that is, don't
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: be so soft. Yeah, we're having a good time. It's
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: gonna be all right.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Jay would be talking about me making plays in space.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I would literally just beg man, I know the front office, though,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the whole coaching stuff must think I just can't tackle
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: in space.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: But in your head about everything, he just said that joke, Like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't. I don't think people understand how
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: much mental warfare goes on between players and coaches. No,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all try to do mental warfare,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: but I just don't. I'd rather not.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I'd prefer not to do that if I.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Can, which is so difficult though, because you're right like
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the words of a head coach when you say anything,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: but like an noline coaches due, you could easily write
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that off at whatever the head coaches it to you.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: You're calling your girl friend, your wife, it's sick family
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: members like you said this, like what do you think? Good?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Bad or ugly?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You're doing whatever you can entire off season. You're working
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: on that one thing that was kind of said right.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Forever and then as a heck as as a head coach,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: it might even he might not even have thought twice
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: about what it might have just been like an in
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: passing comment. Yeah, and all of a sudden, you're just
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: like you just all in your head about whatever it
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: was that was said, and the head coach might have
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: forgot even said it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about having fun. What's your stance on
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: rookie shows?
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: You love it about them, You're about them, about them,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: rook show, pro rookie show, pro rookie show. However, yea
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: is you're twenty twenty fours about the show. There's there's
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I've not been the recent rookie shows that I've been
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: around subpar need. The rookies need little help from some
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: guys out there in the world that know what a
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: rookie show is supposed to look like. And uh, I've
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: just not been not been impressed with some of the things.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: They're just not funny. Yeah, and there's nothing worse than
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: going like rookies ship. You're amped up, like I can't
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: wait to see who they who do they go after? Yeah,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: it's like they're kind of they get scared. You can't
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: be scared. You should know as good as anybody.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, you let me sit around
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: training camp for a couple of weeks.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: You'll you'll have a few downs.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get some manurisms of yours, and I'll just go
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: after you.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I'll just go going after the head ball coach is
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the best thing to do as a rookie by far,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: But it's also the scariest thing to do as a rookie.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Also true, you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Gotta find that sweet balance being good graces with you,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: but also find all the possibly can But if.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: If you can get a good rookie show is maybe
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: one of the better, one of the finer things in
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: life that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Sets the tone for there the training camp.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's at the ending though, like you're like,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: everyone's kind of excited to get out of there. This
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: is going to set the tone for the first game
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, were all there for the last
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: time before cuts. What's we're going to.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Get If any rookies are watching this, study coach Callahan
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and go after him during.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: The Rookie Show. Have to have to have to like
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: go to let me get the roast of Tom Brady,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: go to the family.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Just just lay it all out there and just just
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: hope the reaction is good.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just gonna say, who are, in your opinion,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the funnier guys on the team.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I'm still getting to know. I'm getting to know more personalities.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Is that as the days go by, it sure seems
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: like arden Key's got enough personality for everybody, which is great.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: I love it. I enjoy the personality part, Like I
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: love guys that got something to them and make it
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: fun Like that's that's awesome. I love when guys feel
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: like they can be themselves. Arden is probably the one
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that stands out the most. Spears has got a good
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: has got a good kind of a He's quiet, but
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: he's got a little personality that pops up every now
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: and again, still trying to figure out which offensive lineman's
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: got it. You know, they're so they're there. Every day
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: is like a new day for them right now.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: With with coach Bill, I don't know if you find personality.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: But there's some guys I think that are that are
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: candidates for but generally tends to be the defensive guys
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: that have the most personality and then they're at least
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: afraid to show it. So I think that there might
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: be a few of those guys. But I'm hoping that
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: some of these rookies come with something good in August.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they got to be the most
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: focused on. Like playbook comes second to the Rookie Show.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: To make sure that you have that rookiees entertainer, the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: ball club entertained, Yeah, entertainment, run an entertainment business exactly.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: With being a head coach for the first time and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: taking the first team meeting, addressing the team, what are
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the nerves like, Because every head coach I've ever had,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: it's a lot.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: There's some nerves in there, for sure, I bet, because
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: you want to make you want to make a good impression.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Where and again, we've had like twelve team meetings since
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the first one, so like the the novelty does wear off,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: like after you get through the first one, but that
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: first one you spend a ton of time thinking about,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: and you just want to make sure that when you
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: come in there that the guys look at you and go, yeah,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I like this guy. I'm I'm willing to listen as
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: you guys know. You can come in there sometimes and
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: maybe the first one rubs you the wrong way and
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: you're kind of like, I don't know about this cat,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: you know, like yeah, yeah, And so that's you just
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: want to make an impression good enough to where you've
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: bought everyone's attention for another week, you know, right, and
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: hopefully they can.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: See me sure has the same facial expression as the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: first time. You know, you're not losing the crowd, right, And.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I try to be my team meeting, they try to
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: be to the point. You know, I don't. I don't.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not a preacher, you know, I don't. I don't
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: need to, but I do have messaging that I want
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: to get across, and so I spend a lot of
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: time thinking about the messaging and what I'm going to
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: say and hopefully that in a in a very short
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: eight to ten minutes, I can convey whatever that is
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: for the day. And I only have one a week,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: so I don't overdo it. Yeah, nobody wants Nobody wants
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: to hear me talk that much. I know that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: And the fall, you only have one a week in
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the fall.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: When the season starts, it'll be a Wednesday and a.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Friday Wednesday or Friday Wednesday and Thursday to the rest
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: of the squad.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Thursday is the own day. And then you have
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: something night before, which can be sometimes as short as
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: two minutes, or you may go a little longer if
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: it's a depending on the mood of the team and
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: then and the game you're getting ready to play. But
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: try to try to limit the amount of times I
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: have to go preach in front of everybody.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: What kind of coach are you? Night before a game, dude,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, are we watching a movie scene?
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I got that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I love something like what what's your go tos bro?
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I very much try to keep like the pulse of
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: like what we might which might need for that week.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I did something kind of similar with a in Cincinnati
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: on Saturday mornings. I would do this tie in of
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: the game plan, and I would mix in whatever messaging
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: I thought was, you know, might hit home.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Give an example like this messaging, yeah, this movie scene,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: if it's no.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I used, actually used quite a bit of The Man
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: the Arena documentary one year. I kind of took pieces
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: of it over the course of the season, and then
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: like every other week I might have something from that
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: that because there was just so many good things from
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: that documentary. I thought about, like what a championship team
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: would feel like, and so I try to use as
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: many mediums as I can to help convey whatever message
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I'd be trying to convey. And I even do that now.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: I had one even for a rookie meeting. There's this
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: clip on the internet with there's a ball boy a
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: handful of years ago one of the soccer teams. I
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: think it might have been like Tottenham, where this ball
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: boy is like super dialed into his job and he
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: gets the ball. It's on a throwing but the ball
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: comes out of bounds and he has one in his
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: hands and he's just his job is to get it
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: to that guy as quick as possible. Well, he jumps
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: out of his seat, tosses the ball to the guy.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: They throw it in on like a fast break, and
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: they score because they catch team in transition because ball
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: boys like on top of.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: His shiite clip.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you probably say, yeah it was.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: It was a viral and it was viral, but it's
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: it's it's out there, and I showed it to the
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: rookies and I was like, this is like talk about
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: finding a role and doing it well. Like here's just
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: ten year old ball boy or thirteen year old ball
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: boy that knows that if I do my job really well,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: it's going to help us. And yeah, that's it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Don't They bring him to the locker room after this. Yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: they give him like a jersey.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so things like things like that. It's wild.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: It was, I mean, it's you know. And then and
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: the manager goes over like look at how fast and
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: then transition right, balls in his hand, he's running, they're
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: on sides and then he ends up with a hitting
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: a man transition for a score, and like, I think
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: it was a huge game too. So then the manager's
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: tapping them up and like things like that, if I
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: can anything I can find, I use quotes some guys
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: in the NBA, I've used Steph Curry anything that reinforces
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the message. And like I told, I showed the rookies
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: that and it was like, look, man, find whatever your
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: role is, wherever they whatever's asked of you, like make
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: it the most important thing. And if you have a
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: chance to make a play, then you make the play.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: That's how you get recognized. And so it's stuff like that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I can fire and brimstone it pretty good when I
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: want to, but I try to save those in my
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: back pocket for yeah, for when you really need it.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: When you talk about playing the Tessa Titans held like
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it was an effort toughness and they're very well coached. Yes,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: what are the core values you're seeking to bring in
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: with the Tesnsea Titans with this new.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Wave, just in terms of like what what I want
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: our team to look for by the.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Things you're going to preach, Like usually a lot of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: times like coaches have like these are three things that
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: we are going to be built on as our foundation
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: as a team, Like as you being the head coach
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: of Tesse Titans, Like what are those three pillars?
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's there's a little bit of nuance to it.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: But the main one is we have three c's and
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: it's character, communication, and connected team, And like, those are
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: the three things that I think matter the most is
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: that the character guys. Are they coachable? Are they dependable?
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Are they positive? You know what I mean? Is there
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: are those the guys you want to be around as
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: a teammate.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And then when you talk about the communication part, like
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: the best teams in the league are are great communicators? Verbal, visual,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you know, especially up front. I use that example all
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: the time. It's like you got to pick up blitz
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Is on third down to win in the NFL, and
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: you got to be on the same page. And sometimes
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: it's allowed to ship on the road and you're on
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: a silent count and how do you how do we
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: get to calls communicate? How great are we communicating? It
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: also falls into the off the field part too, like
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: when something's going on, make sure we're community. If you're
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: going to be late to a coach on me late
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: to the team meeting and you called me at seven thirty,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: that's good communication. If the meetings at eight, I got
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: an issue, I need help take care of it. Right,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: we can work through that. If you tell me eight
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: h five. After you show up this year at a car issue,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: that's bad communication. That's a fine, that's a fine. Yeah,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: So that's what we're looking not to do that. So
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: those those three seasons. The last one I think I've
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: kind of touched on is that being a connected team
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: and being a part of something that's that's bigger than yourself. Like, again,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: everybody's got money, everybody's got players, there's talent in the league.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Every game comes down to one possession most of the time.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: And what's the separator, And to me, it's the teams
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: that when you look at them, you feel it when
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: they play. You're like, man, those dudes are playing for
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: each other, like you feel it. And you guys have
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: been on those teams, you played against those teams, You're
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: like like, damn, these guys are on top of it
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: and you feel it from their sideline, you feel from
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: the energy when they make a play, like that's Those
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: are the things that you want to see. And I
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: think the football parts are perrequisite, Like you got to
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: be able to be detailed and have discipline. That stuff
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: is that's like not negotiable and that's expected. These are
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: those things, the character, the communication and being a connected team.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Are things that I think make the difference when all
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: that other stuff is equal.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: That's awesome that we talked about the gun slingers with Stafford, Manning,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Levis and Burrow. But I don't want to go I
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: don't want to not bring up Browning last year getting
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: thrown into the fire in a very high pressure situation. Yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: talk about him a little bit because I feel like
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: you it's like when that happened, it's like, well the Bengals,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: they're out of it. Yeah, but you guys, you know
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: obviously you didn't didn't win the Super Bowl or anything. Yeah,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: there was like zero pain.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: We were in it.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys were in it right there until the end.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Like talk about talk about Browning a little bit.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Man, what a what a what a story?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's we we we stole him off the
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: practice squad before we played Minnesota in twenty twenty one,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: and we brought him in to ultimately sort of flush
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: him for information. You know, they cut the quarterback loose.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the water board him, get him out of there.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: When he came in and we're like, oh, really this
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: this guy think because you know, we like this tape
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: and obviously we didn't bring him in because just for
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: that we thought he was a good player. But that's
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: just how the league works. You cut guys loose and
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: were playing in week one. So we signed him and
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: he comes in. He starts like like, Wow, this guy's
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: really smart. And then he's a little bit undersize, and
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: he doesn't look he's not like a outwardly great looking athlete,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, is this can this guy
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: play at all? And we weren't sure. And he starts
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: practicing and you're like, he does some things that you like.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: He can play on time, he can process, and so
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: we just sort of kept him and he developed and
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: he did a really nice job. And he was with
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: us for I think two and a half years up
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: to the chance to play, and he never really got
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: to play. Played a little bit in the preseason and
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: it was like, all right, well Jake's gonna play. Let's see,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: let's see what the guy's got. But we felt really
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: confident that he would perform well because he works his
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: ass off. He studies like crazy. And then when you
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: look back at his career, he started for four years
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: at Washington, they went to a rose boy. He was
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: a good college football player. Yeah, and he's got all
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: the makeup that would make you a good player in
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: the NFL.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: And he went out there, man, and he played awesome
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: in a in a situation where it's hard to play, like,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the franchise quarterback gets hurt and like everybody's
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: spirits are down. All of a sudden, Jake go's out
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: there and guys were like, oh, fuck, yeah, we can
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: do this, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, like
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not out of Yeah, we're not out of let's
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: go and uh. And he brought some some life back
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: into the team. And I give him a ton of
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: credit because he was really open about what was good
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: and what was bad, Like, hey, don't call that play.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: I don't like this play. Here's the things that I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: need to play like. He was very vocal about what
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: he felt like he could succeed with. And that's a
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: ton of credit goes to him because you know, when
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: you're in a position as a player, like you're like, oh,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: if I say this, they might tell me to they can't.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: I know you won't do it. You were afraid to
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: say something. You just you just want to do what's
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: asked of you, and he goes in the first Pittsburgh
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: game and we were kind of like, are you sure
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: you feel good about this? And he's like, yeah, just
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: call the game how you called it for Joe. I'll operate,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I'll play well. And he didn't, and he came back
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the next weekend is like, don't call this, don't call this,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: don't call this. Call these things. Give me more peer progression,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: give me a chance to work through a read, find
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: me some things. And he was like, all of a sudden,
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: it was like, oh not, thank you. This is what
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: we need from you, and we'll do whatever it is
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: you need to do to feel like you can play well.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: And so a ton of credit to him for being
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: able to say that. But he went out there and
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: showed that he's a legitimate quarterback in the NFL. And
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: when I got the job, he was joking. He's like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: you know, it's he was kind of messed up. He's like,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I've gotten more guys have gotten the head jobs when
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: I've played, and he's like, do people think I'm that
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: shitty that I play well enough? And like it's now
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: everyone's a great a great coach. And I'm like, I said,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: that's pretty backwards, I do agree, but hilarious, bro.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was almost like you know, when you get
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: hired to everybody, we're hyping everything else. It's like, I mean,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Joe b went down and they were still contenders with
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Jake Browning. Not like shitting on Jake, but you're like
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: everything can still.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, inadvertently you do. Yeah and uh and
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: so we laughed about it. But but I do think
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: he he deserves a ton of credit for how well
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: he played. He's kind of a self made I mean,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: he's worked his he's worked his tail off to get
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: in position to when you get that opportunity to go
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: to go play well. And he's gonna play in the
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: NFL for a long time because of it. And I
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: love the dude. I think he's outstanding. He's got a
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: great personality, and I was really happy for him that
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: he had a chance to show his talents like that,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: And and he was open and honest enough with us
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: to help us put him in a position and that's
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: ultimately our job.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's a good but he is a he's
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: a good football player.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, play him on the Titan someday.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Who knows.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: He's he's got options.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I think its under contract for like a year or two,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: two years, I think for oh you know, yeah, you're
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: very aware.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're saying those quarterback controversy in Cincinnati right now,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: is that, you know what?
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Absolutely big debate. Who's gonna be not sure, who's gonna be,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: might might be Joe, who.
• 59:04
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  Speaker 1: see you. You talk about personalities of players, and now
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: more than ever, it seems like the landscape of NFL
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: is changing with all the nile stuff in college guys
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: are coming into the league with money already. Do you
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: see that change in personalities as new guys start to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: come in, Yeah, you do.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: It's different. I mean it is a little bit different. Now,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Let's not pretend like guys weren't coming in the league
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: with money.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Before, right, Not at UCLA obviously, definite.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Certainly not there. Yeah, maybe not in Nebraska either, but
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: unless Michigan, Michigan. I don't know. I feel like that's
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I wish, Yeah, I.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Wish we had the sec treatment. I got a free
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: meal once. I bring it up all the time.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: One time.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I got a free meal one time, and that fired
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: me up.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: You get like one hundred dollars handshake somewhere.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: No, never, I never got offered a dime, and it
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: bugs me because I would love the opportunity.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: To take somebody's money.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'd ever hear about is they just put money
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: like on a turnover on the sideline. You hear about
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: a coach at a thousand, and then another coach would
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: match it, and then in college and Sue would get it.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, all right.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know Sue was getting paid. You know
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: something's happening. But Stafford he I heard stories about him
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: being at Georgia and be there'll be five hundred thousand
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: dollars in his mailbox for him to stay for another year.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Stafford, Yes, I mean those those are all You hear
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: those stories all the time.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: To Georgia, right, yeah, because I get him and Bradford
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: mixed up sometimes.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: If you had a guess, would you think that's true?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think it will. I think
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: I think some of it gets there's they're probably like
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: fishing stories, like the fish gets bigger as the years go. Buy.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: I think there's probably some of but crazy, I'm sure
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: at all. I'm sure they're I mean they're not made up,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: like I'm sure those stories all happened pretty regularly, I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: would imagine. But the kids coming in now, I mean
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: you it's there. It's a different style, Like they've already
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: been paid, you know, so this isn't the first time
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: they've had money. And I think that that part is unique,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: that the money thing isn't new. But what is new
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: for them is that now they can't transfer and they
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: are under contract, and I think that's a different mindset
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: for them, like they're used to being able to kind
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: of really move, you know, wherever they want. College football
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: transfer two three times, and nothing wrong with transfering, but
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: there's it's a different mindset, like when things are hard
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: in the NFL, you're under contract and you're either gonna
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: get cut, you're gonna figure it out. And I think
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: that's where it changes for guys is that they're not
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: used to that that binding agreement that doesn't really exist
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: in college football anymore, and that they have to play
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: well to get money, you know, like that's the other.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: In the NFL, they come up and ask for trades
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, your boy in Cincinnati, he said
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: he wasn't getting paid enough. Hendrickson, I mean it's news
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: that he asked for trade, public public knowledge, blood airing
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: the boy out. But you are constructually obligated you publi
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: should think about that a little bit.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: But I think there that is the difference, though, is
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: that there's no like what I do. Like, there's a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: resilience factor to maybe some of how some of these
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: kids who come in college where the minute they don't
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: like something, they leave, and the adjustment period comes when
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: they get to the NFL and it's like, well I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: don't like this and it's like sorry, you know, like
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: you you don't have a choice. Like so that part
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: I think is where it changes. The money part I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: don't think has changed kids other than they just have
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: more experience with money, and so you're not as concerned
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: about maybe some of the things that a kid for
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: the first time getting money. Some of these kids are
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: been making money for four years, right being taxes, and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: you know that's not new for him.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost might be a good thing actually that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: they're making a little bit money in college.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially some of the the guys that are getting
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: big money. You know, they're used to getting big money,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: and they're probably getting big money because they're good players,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: and so they likely are going to get pretty good
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: money when they get the NFL by their draft position.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: So and hopefully have like the right teams kind of
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: already kind of building and structured around themselves to make
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: it an easy transition.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: You would hope. I think there is a little bit
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: of a uh, there's some there's probably some predatory opportunities
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: out there for guys, and some of these guys in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: college that don't know anything. And when you're talking about
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: putting people around you, you just hope that they're making
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: good decisions with it.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta have a team. You have a team that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: checks everybody. Yeah, Derrick Henry, Yeah, long time time and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: going to be obviously in the Ring of honor eventually,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: no doubt. Was there a conversation with you and RAN
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: have to try to reach out and say, hey, let's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: do this one more year.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: They touch base, you know, RAN had a relationship with them,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: obviously being there for a year, and they went back
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: and forth on what the money would look like, and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: we just we had the holes that we had to fill.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: The money would be allocated initially elsewhere. And the running
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: back market went pretty good. I mean there's some guys
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: that got paid. It was higher money than I think
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: maybe we had projected to start across the league for
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: the running back position. And that's good for those guys,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: that's great. And so when you get into those positions
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: where you know we're trying to fill multiple holes in
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: a free agency period, it's like where do you want
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: to allocate the money and how do you want to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: spend it? And I think that I would have been
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: absolutely open to Derek coming back. I think it felt
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: like Derek was ready for something new. And then the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: money part when it happened. Those conversations go back and forth,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: and ultimately it was for both parties, probably the best
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: decision at the end of the day, for him and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: for us. But I mean, he is he was the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans for the better part of the last six years,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: probably seven years, where I mean, that's what you thought.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: You go out of Tennessee, you thought Derrick Henry and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: look forward to day when he his name gets to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: go up in that stadium because he's earned that right. Yeah,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: to be up there with the greats. He's he's phenomenal.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Getting to hang out with you at the facility and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: asking if you'd come on the bus. So she started
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: to learn that you were a bit of a STOOLI
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: in your younger days.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, it was I was.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I always know that you're on the bus. Did you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: hit the group chat up?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, I didn't tell anybody. Yeah, it was going to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: be there's I got some old from my high school
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: buddies will be pretty pretty fired up. Yeah, Yeah, that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: was pretty far.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I I feel like I was on
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: the I was on the I was on the front
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: end of the bar stool experience. I mean it was
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: back when it was just a handful of those guys blogging,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: when it was just the blog it was. It was
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: a two thousands.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: The Blackout party is that what it was called.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: My brother, my brother and my sisters went and went
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: to a couple of those blackout parties. They're they're only
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: my brother, only eighteen months younger than me, and they
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: would always tell me about the blackout parties and you
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: see the videos online. It was. It was a it
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: was a different time on the internet, that's for sure.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I remember. I mean those guys are obviously
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Big Cat and and Dave and those guys. I've been
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: reading those things for probably pretty close to when they
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: from when they started and laugh for a lot of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: laughed a lot for a long time reading this stuff.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm I'm a I'm a Steeleye. I've been
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: I've been one for a really long time. I feel
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: like it's got to be a weird part of like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: I'm be forty years old in June, and I think
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: there's like this whole generation of like middle aged steelies
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: that were there. No question, It's like, man, it's been
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: deaveen doing this a long time.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: It's the inception. Yeah, like every time I see big Cat,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: he's got more and more gray hair.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: You just I can relate, I can relate.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who's your favorite? Who's your favorite personality? Well, hold
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: on before you.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Did, maybe we should tear talk this for him. Okay,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: are you are you familiar with tear talk? No, so
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: tear talk is we're just based. It's a ranking system.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's You're gonna start with three and work
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: us up to one. You can give as much context
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: or as those context as you want. The tier talk
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: will be your favorite barstool personalities excluded. All right, we'll
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: be got there. Yeah, you start with three, start with three.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: You can give an honorable mention too, if you're having
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: a hard time.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I would probably be the originals of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: the guys that I'm probably talking about. I would say
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I would say my three. Okay, three would be I'll
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: probably never be invited back here, But three would probably
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: be Dave. You'll probably never let me back here.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: That's because he's too low or Dave gets gets mad
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: at us a lot. Both.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: I'm a big, I'm a big. I'm a big supporter,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: so I want to appreciate it. I would say two
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: would be KFC. I used to love listen to reading
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: KFC's blogs back in the day. And then one would
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: be Big Cat. I thought Big Cat was his humor
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: and my humor were very similar, and so those going.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: He is, he's a machine man. I don't know how
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: he does. I don't know how he keeps. I mean
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: he's like he's like Internet Kobe or something like he
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: just got this.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, don't tell him that.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cut that his recall incredibility. You'll have a conversation
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: with him in four years later. He'll remember it. There
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: was a clip that came out yesterday about him and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: KB on the YAC and it was back in October
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: about him putting a razor blade in some of kb's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: food and eventually he's gonna give it to him with
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: him the calendar year, and he did it yesterday.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: He's like an elephant, bro, he is.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: He really is an elephant. I thought that was he
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: actually truth be told.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: He's got a question that he proposed to you.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Is this the is this the one?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the one that we don't like.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: See BC to BC H first of all. Thank you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: for being a STOOLI and supporting us all these years.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: I got a question for you on taking a piss
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: while I do this. I got a question for you
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: on the bus. We'd love to have you on the show.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: And I was looking at the calendar June twenty fifth,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: if you want to come to Chicago, would love to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: have you, whole family, anyone who wants to come up
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: June twenty fifth, Come to Chicago. We'll do an interview,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: we'll do the gamblet, We'll have a great time. So
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: that's I guess my question is, can you come to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: Chicago June twenty five and come on pmtant to some context.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: The context on that is our Beer Games Championships of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: the World is on June twenty fifth. He is, he's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: on the list. He can't he's back out. He can't
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: back out, he can't pass to come. He has he
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: can't back out. Yeah, he's got this running bit happening
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: right now that he can't back out. And since we've
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: had to do a couple hurt we've had a couple
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: of bumps in the road with the Beer Olympics, with
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: the Beer Games. Sure, he likes to give the boys
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: a hard time. So yeah, I guess he wants you
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: to come on part of my take, which I'm sure that's.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: A yes absolutely June twenty fifth.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to do. He's busy June twenty five, busy.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Un twenty five.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: We also it's a vacation time for y'all, too right.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: It is it is. I'm moving. I'm moving in that
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: very short time frame from Cincinnati, finally down here, living
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: in a house by myself, in an empty house with
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: a bed. That's the life.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: That college lifestyle. The matches on the floor, wires everywhere.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: TV lifestyle, sitting on like a folding chair to watch TV.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: You kind of do enjoy it a little bit, huh.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: There's part of it that brings back to your roots,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: no doubt. But yeah, that might be a tough swing,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: but we can look into it. Maybe next offseason, maybe
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: next off the next off season, because they will take
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: you out to Chicago and just let whoever your boys are.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: You heard him saying wants to come. You should come
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: with an entire crew.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: And I'll say this about Chicago. Their HQ there is incredible.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: It's like a fantasy factory basketball. They have literally everything
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: you want, basketball court, golf simulator, Chef Donnie and the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Cornhill makey, whatever you want. It's some of the best
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: food you'll ever have.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: It's like the tightest facility without the indoor, without the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: football field. Yeah, it's crazy, it is.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: It is cool. It's very cool. You'd really enjoy it
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: cooling too.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: My my whole family is from Chicago. Really yeah. My
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: dad's born and raised his South Side Chicago. My grandfather
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: was a Chicago cop. Okay, good old Irish Chicago cup. Yeah.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Nice. Are you you grew up a Bears fan?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Grew up a Bears fan until obviously I became a
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: fan of my dad wherever we moved to. But when
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: my dad was coaching in college at University Wisconsin, that
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: was like the Bears were you know, he still I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: did still watches like every White Sox game.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Oh really, Oh.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but not very good.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: It runs deep in Chicago.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: Deep is deep. So my whole family, everybody, my mom,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Mom's went to Norse, the whole family from Chicago.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Were you just a massive fan of your dad growing up?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, he was always the man always. I mean,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: it's you know, yeah, where you're like he doesn't know everything.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: I never I know, I did not really Oh yeah,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: I mean god, I need some not. I mean so well,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: I'll say this like my dad was My dad is
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: an intimidating personality, and I was the oldest of four
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: and so I didn't ever have It was like I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: was scared to death to make a mistake because I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: you know, you you hear him, yeall he got a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: real loud voice. It's intimidating. Yeah, And I did not
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: want to get I didn't want to get in trouble.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: It's all my friend, ude, you got to like I
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: had like a ten thirty curview in high school for
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: a while and all my boys, you gotta rebel, don't
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: you can't hold They're like they're trying. Well, you know
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: it's like, i mean, ten thirties kind of early. That
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: is it's early, but this is weekend curfew. Oh yeah,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: this is all the time.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Like this is yeah seven o'clo lights. Yeah, the game's over,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: You're going home home. No parties for me, none, And
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: that's the best. Then we don't forget about ahead.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: But so that was the I was scared to death
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: of Like I was not rebellious to my dad because
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: I knew I watched my dad coach these guys for
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: all these years, and how he his demeanor and his style.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't I don't need to cross that.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: I don't need those problems.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Growing up?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Were you like, were you a troublemaker or a straight shooter?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: The whole time?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Was pretty straight shooter. Yeah. I had enough. I had enough,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: probably enough mischief, but not anything serious enough to really
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: get in trouble.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: What is the most devious thing you ever did as
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: a young team? Probably just tp a house, Probably egged
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the house. That's a that's his next step. That's egging
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: is one thing.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: He'll throw the toilet paper of the tree. But the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: this somebody gets out of carton of eggs, he's probably thinking,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: if I want to be he's the.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: First one for me. I can't go that far.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was It was nothing more like nothing
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: more than that. It was never anything I didn't.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Just fun classic boys being boys stuff.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Do you ever get in big trouble? I did?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did once, and I was like middle school
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: probably mm hmm. I I can't really want to tell
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: the story, but I am because it's funny and whatever.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: When I was in middle school, we me and my
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: little neighbor next door, my buddy I used to run
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: around with all the time we we used we decided
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: we were going to make a torch. Parents went home.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: We run on and we wrapp all this toilet paper
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: on a stick and dip it in gasoline and we're
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: like swinging it around. We're middle school and we're swinging
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: it around, and we're having a hell of a time.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: And we're in these woods behind our house, and we
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: would try to be responsible. We had water, put put
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: the put the torch in the water. You know it's
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: and I look out like an hour later, and nobody
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: my parents went home. I look out like an hour
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: later in the entire for the entire force is on
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: fire behind our house. I mean it was like fire department.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: I mean it's like it's like flame. Yeah, and we
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: you know, we didn't mean to obviously, but but it's
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: like there's you know, it's a patch of I mean,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: it wasn't small, it wasn't like a whole fun but
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: I mean there was trees on I mean, it was
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: on fire. The fire warm had to come and put
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: it out and uh. And but at the time, my
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: parents weren't home. I was there, but I was home myself,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: and the fire department came. They put it out and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: they left, and I was like, I'm in the clear.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: They're never going to know. And so my buddy whose
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: parents were home, they saw it and they put the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: clamps on him, and he cracked.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, he cracked.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: He definitely boy cracked.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have a talk with him after my brother?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: You got it?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Like, come on, man, how they get him to crack?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: It's so easy because we were like relatively good kids.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Like, it wasn't like he was. We weren't trying to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: do anything wrong. I think he was. Yeah, But then
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: so my parents know. And then my dad asked me
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: on multiple occasions, Hey, do you know anything about what
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: happened back there behind the house. Nope, no idea. I
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: mean lied to his face, lied to his face, and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: I thought I was getting away with it, and little
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: did I know, I was just getting set up. That
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: was just he was just stringing me along, just waiting.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: And that was the most mad I think I've ever
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: seen him, not because of what we did, but because
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I lied to him about and he gave me ample
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: opportunities to tell him the truth, and I just stuck
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: So he did it a few different occasions. Maybe the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: first time he let it pass. I'll see if he
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: thinks about it a little bit more, old man, that's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: a vet move.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is a vet move. So when you wonder
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: why I probably wouldn't rebel when I was in high school,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: I saw that and I was like, Nope, no, thanks, No,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: I don't need that.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: And I don't need those problems. That's a savvy dad move.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: My dad would go out of town in high school
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: and he'd be like, you're not all out in the house.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: I go to your mom session all in the house.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: And one time we had a party and I came
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: home and I was like, you you've been in the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: house at all? Like no, But he set up like
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: T shirts and certain things in parts of the house.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I was I was just a little bit dirty. But
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: he remembered every spot he put it in, so if
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: it was moved it all. When he got back, you know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: somebody was in the house. I folded. It was like
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: ten people at the house too. It wasn't even a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: cool party. It was a kickback kickback. But yeah, man,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: dads are good like that.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy ever gets you. Oh yeah, yeah, I think
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: that one that comes to my mind. I think I've
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: totaled before. But my parents were out of town because
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: my brother. I'm a junior in high school. So my brother,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: he's a sophomore, absolute stud wrestler, he was. My parents
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: said that I had to wrestle that year, I'd be
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: grounded all winter. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah said it helped
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: me in football, which there is truth to wrestling helping
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: in football. But my brother had a It was my
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: it was my first week weekend, like on the squad
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: and they're wrestling your boy JV junior and I thought
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: it was so disrespectful. But brother, Yeah, my brother, who's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: a sophomore there, traveled out to Kansas City for this
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: wrestling tournament for the varsity team. And so I'm just
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: back at the house by myself. So I throw, you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: I throw a party, nice little banger, and I'm talking.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: It's ever clear.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: It's it's the cheapest of the cheap, yeah, the most
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: of the most the plastic stuff.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it was rowdy to where basically
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: I had to be on the bus at like five
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: point thirty in the morning the next morning to go
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: to the JV wrestling tournament. And we were up all night,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: and I mean we're you know, we did. I was driven.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: We take somebody home and drop them off there puking
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: in the driveway. As we're dropping them off. F I'm like, hey,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: you gotta hurry, like we have to leave so I
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: can make the bus. And I'm still sauced from the night,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: and uh, We're riding up. I'm trying to like get
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: some sleep. It's like an hour and a half bus ride.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: And then I start texting the boys like I didn't
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: clean anything up, and my parents are going to get
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: home before our bus gets back from the tournament. So
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: just terrible planning on my part. So I'm texting like
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Logan and John and the boys. So I clean it up,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: and they did their absolute best. They got some stuff
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: messed up, but they did what they could to clean
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: up the place. Well. I get back, by the way
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: one the JV wrestling tournament did not get scored on hungover,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: so just destroyed. But I get back and dude, my
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: mom finds this. There was a condom sitting out on
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: the end table that was being played with because forty
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: year old Virgin had came out and he was playing
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Aquaman on his hand, yeah, with the condom, and my
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: boy was doing that. I mean, there was girls over,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: and there's fun to be had, but that particular loss
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: that we took was one that shouldn't have even been taken,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And it was not fun fun.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: My dad was one of those where it was the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: same thing. I never wanted to be in trouble by
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: my parents. And I remember again another another night where
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: we got uh uh, where we got caught drinking and
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: partying and stuff, and my parents came over and logan
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: my buddy, he's like my best friend and his mom
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: were pulling in the driveway and she's like, you guys
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: want to have a party. Boys will have a party
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: and just sit out on the grass. We're all like
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: wind up, sitting down like you know, Indian style, and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: all your parents are coming over. We got you motherers
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: type of thing. My dad comes over and bro like
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: you know your boys, got like tears in his eyes,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: like I'm like, Dad, I'm not going home, and he
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: like takes his glasses off. He's on like the other
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: side of the dining room table and we're in Logan's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: house and he's like, son, you're coming home and starts
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: like walking around and I just start like going around
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: the table with it.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Oh bro.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: But it was not good. It was We've had We've
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: had some run ins back in the day in all
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: and my dad it's always the same speech, like you
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: got the world ahead of you, like you have at
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: this point. I had like one offer from like Illinois.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Dad, that's a good call, dad, Illinois.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: K stayed at the time, and he was like, you're
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna mess this up, Like you're gonna fuck
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: this off. And but we had it. We had some
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: run in, some stories that definitely come to my mind,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, fuck, the boys were in some situations.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: Now. You never want to piss off your parents, No,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: not not if you especially when you got one that's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: not one you want to mess with either.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: Bro, you know there's a story I told her. My
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: dad he's like, you ever want to shot at the title,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: you just let me know. And he's like this close
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: to me and he just doesn't blow me kiss, but
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: he just goes and in my face and I'm like,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: all right, all right, dad, and he's like, you ever
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: want a shot at the time.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: A senior oh, a senior school.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: You should have swung on that man.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Bro, I don't know. There's a different now. I would,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: you know, out of respect, it would never happen. Would
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: obviously take take advantage of him now, But dude, there
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: was I mean, as long as you could have respect
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: for an old man on beating your ass, he had
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: every bit of it up.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna lie to you guys like I
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised, like my dad is, so probably with
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: my ask, we.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Don't want to Bill, Bill, might you think he would? Dude, Bill?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: But this I mean yoga is. Don't sleep on yoga.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: But this man's a yoga at six am probably every morning.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Zen Oh yeah Bill, Yeah, Bill Kellen.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he can do the splits and handstands and stuff.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm not I had no idea, Like I don't.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: You don't want to mess I wouldn't mess with him.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. That's the thing that time.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're good. That's the thing too with
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: like Bill, like you know, he carries this intimidating demeanor,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: but you know when he's saying something to you, he
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: has he has your respect because you know, in his world,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: he's putting in all of that work, not just in studying,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: but in lifestyle with the yoga and watching him prep
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: all the way up until kickoff, like laying on his
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: back and just like studying his notebook and writing down
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: final notes. And he is the man like I've always
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: had a lot of respect for Bill.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: I appreciate glad.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I never got to you never had to partake in
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: his individual drills, but you always love to.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Get the sledge.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always loved the.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Sled Bertha and Olga Olga.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, God did he create those?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he invented the sled.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Do we invent the actual sled?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Actual sled the sled that they were hitting, no ship,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: yea that actual actual invention of the sled. Do we
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: have as Yeah?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: This is a wild.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: J C.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Is a he that's a unit of a man. Yes,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: and he's being he got folded the first time he
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: see him start to figure it out, and they figured
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: it out. There's no way anyone ever does good on
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: that the first time.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: Never, No, And that's why my dad's laughing at him
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: because they he bet him. Jasey's like, no, I got
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: I'll get it, I'll move and my Dad's.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Like okay, just hands in his pockets.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they they invented that sled when he was
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: in Washington.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: That's that's impressive right there, resetting the hips driving, that's impressive.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: State they call it taking another bite. He takes another
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: bite and gets going. But that sled, he he he
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: worked with Ray Crowd, the company, and they they sort
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: of developed it together and made that that sled. The
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: angles and the and the handles where your hands fit
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: and like just it feels more like what a defensive
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: lineman feels like coming off the ball versus like the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: old squared up sleds.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with JC drafting him, getting your first opportunity to
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: get your hands on him a little bit. Is there
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: anything that surprised you at him that you did that
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: maybe he didn't have or is he as advertised as advertised?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, we felt like there was there was two
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: linemen that we felt like we're worthy of top ten picks,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: and that's Joe Alton and JC and the two guys
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: that we were like, either one of those guys will
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: happily take yeah, if they're available to us, And thankfully
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: j C was. And he's everything we thought he was
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: gonna be. And he's got a super high ceiling because
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: you just he's just got all these physical tools that
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: you he doesn't even really know how to use them
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: all yet, you know. But yeah, super talented, great kid,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: all the things you could want in an offensive lineman.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Was there a fear for you him playing his whole
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: career on the right side, now moving him to left.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: No, because you know, one, it's been done before, guys
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: have transitioned from left to left. He played left in
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: high school, so it's not like he's never been in
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: a left handed stance. Played four years to Alabama because
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: he had to with Evan Neil and then I think
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: it was Tyler Steen maybe, But so they had guys
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: that left, and then they had a five star recruit
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: come in and he'd already played a couple years over there,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: and they were like, well, this is our chance to
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: get our best five guys. Well, you're comfortable they will
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: leave you there. But he's fully capable of playing left tackle.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: I think he's probably comparable to like what Tyron Smith
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: was Tyrann came out as a right tackle, played right
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: tackle for a year in the league, and they moved
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: to left in that transition. Obviously that worked out great
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: for him and for them. You know, he just did
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: it with Jedrick Wilson in Cleveland. Cha had played on
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: the right in Alabama and played left and he got
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: to Cleveland for the last four years now. So not unprecedented,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: and he's got the talent to do it, So that's awesome.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to see her that he's a good dude,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: because I worried those top notch SEC schools after doing
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: with Isaiah Wilson in twenty twenty. Sure, that was a
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: horrible experience for everybody involved in the Titans building.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: From Afart seemed like that was not a lot of fun.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: No, it was not.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: But he does seem JP was with him.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: JP's not in here. JP was with him at IMG
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: and he says he's an awesome guy.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: He was, dude.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, an IMG two academy. The they have like leadership,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: they have like mindset.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: It's a sports factory.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We always talked to Tyler Booker, who was at
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Alabama with him, and the way he was talking about
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: mindset and meditation and all that. It was like eye
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: opening to see that this young cat has all these
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: tools already. Yeah, it's because IMG.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that he's and he was a number
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: one recruit. It's not like he's no more recruit in
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: the country. He goes to Alabama, it's like his he's
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: known nothing but success. Yeah, and sometimes there's there's something
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: to that. I think it was cool though. The other day,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: after the first practice, he struggles with the sled and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: he's kind of kind of made him mad, like he's
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit disappointed he couldn't do it the right
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: way right away. And so it's like five o'clock. They
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: had the rookie meunie camp in the morning. This was
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: on Friday. They appracticed in the morning. They're done at
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: like about five o'clock and sit in my office and
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: look outside and j C's out there like running one
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: hundred yard sprints and then he's like mosing down to
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: where the sled's at, and all of a sudden he
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: starts hitting, says by himself, and all of a sudden,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: I walk next door. I'm like, rand should I stop him?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: He's like, I let him go. For a minute and
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: just just let him do his thing. And but he's
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: out there in the afternoon mad that he didn't do
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: well enough and he's out there working again. I'm like,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: that's that's when you're like, Okay, this is the right makeup,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Like this guy's.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's as juicy. Yeah, as a head coach, you
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: got to look at that and be like, that's the
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: guy we just drafted. That's awesome, unbelievable feeling.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. And but then there's also the flip side
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: of it, is like, dude, you're gonna get plenty of work.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: You might just want to take the recovery when.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: You get it. But what a good first impression.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it was that that goes a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: long way, and and then it was every day after
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: that where he'd be out like you just it's like
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: part of his routine. And when you see a young player,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: it's got some routine where it's like I need to
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: go do this, this and this in the afternoon because
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: that helps me get ready for the next whatever it is.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: At least there's some thought process behind.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: It, like yeah, man, that'll do.
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  Speaker 1: We have two massive Titan fans sitting on this bus
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: right now, Jack McPherson and Garrett Hargas. They've been Titans
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: fan since the beginning. Boys, do you have any questions
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: for coach CALLI?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: Jack McPherson, how's it going?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Jack?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: Lifelong Titan fans, Super excited to have you here on
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: the bus and behind the range the Titans. My question,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: with the significant upgrades we've gotten in the wide receiver
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: room recently, what is your plan regarding trailing birds with
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: him only having one TD in twenty two games. Yeah,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 6: I know you've been asked this before in the media,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: but would love to hear it first and from you.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Sure, I think that's a that's a that's a topic
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: of conversation these days. I'll tell you this, I only
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: know what I've seen of him. Obviously, I know that
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: what precedes him, just because I've watched it and I
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: understand it. But from what we see on a day
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: to day basis with Trade, he's been phenomenal. Like his
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: work ethic, the things that he's done, does everything we've asked.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: He's got unbelievable physical talent, and it's almost it's a
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: personal challenge to me and to our staff is how
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: do we find the best role for Trade to come
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: help us? Like I think he can be a good player,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: I do think guys get in these situations sometimes. For example,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: you you know the trade AJ and they draft him.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: There's just an intense amount of pressure on him to
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: be AJ and or to replace AJ. And I think
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: that that wears on guys sometimes when it doesn't go
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: well to start, and it's hard to be a really
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: good player at receiver as a rookie. I think it's hard.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's a difficult task and so for him
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: there might have been a compounding factors of all that
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: pressure he felt, and then to be able to go
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: play fast and play aggressive and be free of that,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: I think is hard. So what I'm hopeful for is
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: that the addition of these veteran players that we have
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: in here a new lease for him in terms of
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: all I know is what he's shown me, and I
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: don't make any judgments on what's happened before, and that
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: opportunity to reinvent yourself in a sense, I think is
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: going to be really good for him. And I've been
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: impressed with what he's done so far, and I think
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: he can play. But it's like a personal challenge for
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: me to find a place for him to have some
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: success because he's got talent and ability to do it.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: That's awesome. My second part question as well, who what
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 6: credentials do I need or who do I need to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: talk to to be able to be the twelfth Titan
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: and swing that sort of honor put in the middle.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I've not experienced this yet, so you might
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: have to.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: It's the first thing they do right before the coin toss,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: and usually it's like an Eddie George or a Javon curse.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 6: But what about Jack McPherson from Nashville, Tennessee swinging that sword?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: Also one request again, you've never experienced this. We need
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: to bring back the OG paintrain video.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is okay. OG paintrain video does have
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: to come back.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know what happened if it was a copyright issue,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: but there was an original video they played before every
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: fourth quarter of every game, and it needs.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: To come back.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: I know if there's any Titans fans listening, they're turning
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: this up and going, come on, come on, Callahan.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: All right, Kelly, they're calling him callying. Now, a couple
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: of things right here, Jack, While he's answering the credential
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: part of that question, can you pull up the pain
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: training I'd like to see this. Jack is a guy.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: If you give him a reward at the end of
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: a tunnel, he will work endlessly. Rich Eisen has not
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: come on our show for almost three years now, I
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: think too. And he was told if he tweets at
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: rich eyes and every day until he comes on the show,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: we will gift him a Chevy Silverado. We're at day
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: what three something?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: Today was six ninety two?
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Excuse me? See three years and yeah, I got mixed up.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: I got mixed up with this.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: This is the O. G.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Paine train.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: But yeah, oh that's Terry. Is this like Terry Taate?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, office Linebacker. I used to love those commercials.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: You're gonna have to put on headphones. I believe you
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: want to hear.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: That's what these are.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: This is great because they throw a little Johnny Cash
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: in here. This is awesome.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: Started over jack. When did they stop playing.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: This two years ago? Years ago?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there there's a version of it similar.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: But people are saying, ever since the one left the building,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: they couldn't play that anymore.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying it, but we bring the O G
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: video back? Titan super Bowl twenty.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Four, Well, I'll do some research on that, Okay. I
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: gotta figure out why I went away in the first place. Yeah,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: there's nobody knows anymore because I played a Terry Tate
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: video one time for the guys. She's an How the
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: players looked at me.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: Like what I forget? He can hear me?
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Are you willing to cut your dick off for a
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Tennessee Titan super Bowl? Got two kids, two beautiful children.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can I don't know if
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: I can commit to that part. I got young kids.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: What are you willing to do for a Tennessee Titans
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: I'd be willing to do quite a bit. Would you
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: take off a limb like a finger, let's say whole hand,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: like Ronnie Lott style.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: Let's say whole hand.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Would you go whole hand? Yeah, your dominant hand.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: My dominant and for Super Bowl? Yeah, for the Tennessee
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Titans as the head coach. That would be pretty that
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: would be pretty sweet.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Old man gets one. Yeah. Jack McPherson gets one.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: That's the most important, most important.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Garrett Hargas gets one. Sorry you didn't speak. I was
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: wrapped up.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Would you take off that dominant hand?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: That hm hmm. That would be tough. That would be
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: tough to That would be tough to offer up. But
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: in fairness to the commitment, I could, I could be
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: If that's what it meant, I would. I would give
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: it some consideration that.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: This is a answer no question. Are you willing to
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: now that we've narrowed it down to a dominant hand,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: would you cut off your right hand for a Tennessee
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Titans Super Bowl?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: I cannot cut off my right hand. Because now here's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: the problem. Here's the problem. I get into that same
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: situation again and someone says, I heard you would cut
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: your hand off. Yeah, you'd have to have some incredible
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: commitment to the process.
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  Speaker 1: How about this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you finally do it, and then you
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: could bag then you could well afterwards, then you can
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  Speaker 3: back at the commitment. What's the fun in that?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Two options? I'm gonna give you two options. There's
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  Speaker 1: a classic locker room where a gun to your head
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  Speaker 1: you have to choose one. Yeah, would you rather for
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  Speaker 1: a Titan super Bowl, lose one testicle or get a
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  Speaker 1: busting with the boys? Tramp Stamp Championship twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: tramp stamp on your low back.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'll do I'll do the tramp stamp. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: could do that.
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  Speaker 6: We got.
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  Speaker 3: I did a tattoo for it.
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  Speaker 1: Took us a couple of ways.
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  Speaker 2: From he said, a little too easy. Tramp stamp.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no problem, he's actually a tattoo one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can do it over the one I already get.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Garrett, I did not give you opportunity to time out,
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  Speaker 1: time out, time out.
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  Speaker 2: He never got a chance to answer the uh to
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  Speaker 2: say if he's going to bring back pain train or
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  Speaker 2: Jack an opportunity to maybe one day swing this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he told me. He told me to a swush.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, we're getting right into it right now.
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  Speaker 1: That is that's my fault.
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  Speaker 3: I'm realizing that I gotta do the research on the video. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we pain details on that because I don't know what.
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  Speaker 3: I've never even heard of it. I didn't know, So
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  Speaker 3: let's let me it plays in the fourth quarter, right, Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Oh is that what it was? The fourth quarter? Like
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  Speaker 3: like renegade style in Pittsburgh Like that's yeah, yes, that's
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  Speaker 3: to kick.
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  Speaker 2: Off that fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear that train.
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  Speaker 2: You know the fans want to maybe you ask questions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can do I can. I can at least
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  Speaker 3: give you that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll look into it, that's all I'm asking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the shorge, the swords new for me too. I
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  Speaker 3: gotta figure out what and maybe.
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  Speaker 6: The sword just so it's a little bit more enticing
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  Speaker 6: for y'all's demographic. Maybe we bring Will and Taylor x
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: Titans out there too, then they can help and we
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: can all as a team slam that sword in the ground.
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  Speaker 1: We just both get on the knee and handed to Jack,
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  Speaker 1: no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly Jack, and hold it together and put
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  Speaker 2: the round boys, twelfth Man and just King Arthur.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have anything? Yeah, I got a question.
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  Speaker 5: So, with the addition to the weapons on offense and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: a unfortunate Titans fan base that can be fair weathered,
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  Speaker 5: what can the fan base look forward to this coming season?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that we're gonna have a I think
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  Speaker 3: we have a team of guys that are that are
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  Speaker 3: hungry to prove I know not I know the perception
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  Speaker 3: of us outside of of our building is not high.
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  Speaker 3: I think we have a lot of people that don't
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  Speaker 3: think that we're gonna be much and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: where we want to be right now, and then we
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  Speaker 3: have a chance to to prove a lot of people,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of opinions wrong. I think we're made I
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  Speaker 3: think we have a team that's made up to do it.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna have it. They're gonna play hard as hell,
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  Speaker 3: there's gonna be I think we're gonna have fun playing together.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're gonna see the energy and the connection
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  Speaker 3: amongst the team, and at the end of the day,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: the guys that we brought in he pairing with the
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: guys in the locker room is we got some guys
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: that play football a particular way. And that's as as
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: Dinard Wilson, our defensive courtinator, says, we've got some dogs
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: and he says d A W G. And that stands
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: for disciplined assholes with grit, And I like that. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the image that especially on defense too,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: with with Lagerious and cheetoh ating them at corner. You
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: have big sweat and there in the middle and Sebastian
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: Joseph Day and your pair them with Jefferin. I think
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: there's some really cool things happening on defense that I'm
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: really excited about. And so again I can't make predictions
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: and promises and proclamations, but as far as the people
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: and what the team looks like, I think you're gonna
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a product that people are gonna be
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: excited to come.
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  Speaker 1: Watch, show up to the games.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: People. I said, look, I said I said it in
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: my opening press conference. I said it like we need
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: the city of Nashville and Titans fans like we need them.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: We need the stadium to be a place that people
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: come to and are like, oh man, I don't want
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: to go play in Nashville. This like, that's what looking for.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: We need that environment. So all the fants Titans fans
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: out there listening to come on, come on, man, we
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: need everybody on board, and hopefully you get in early
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: enough and you don't get accused of jumping on the
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: bandwagon when when things go right.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good well, yeah, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: All core of a Titans fan base out there for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Every Yeah, every franchise has their five percent, like that
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: five percent crazy fan base, and the Titans five percent
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: is strong. That's great. I love that. It's they're crazy
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: people in the best way possible.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you need. That's that's what makes the NFL
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: the NFL.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Matt neely Man, Yeah, he was the one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, thank you for coming on.
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  Speaker 1: This is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: This is fun and an hour forty with the head
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: ball coach. I love it.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Bill listens.
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  Speaker 3: I can't promise you that I'll listen, but I hope
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: he does. Just know that we might have to say hey, will.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Say you hope he listens to that.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: I think we can probably make that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do appreciate you coming on.
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  Speaker 1: We will be flying the Titans flag all season long.
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  Speaker 1: I love on this bus. We'll be supporting you the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: whole time. We appreciate you coming.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate that from from you guys. Thanks for having me
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  Speaker 3: on man. This is wo appreciate you enjoyed it.
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