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The Kenny Report | 25 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skoying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I'm Chris Kenny.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, so many wanted him to fail, but Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 2: Middle East ceasefire holds after he made an extraordinary move
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  Speaker 2: to stop the bombings. And now Anthony Alberzi, he's been
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  Speaker 2: missing in action on all this, suddenly tries to associate
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  Speaker 2: himself with Trump's muscular success. I'll cross to Israel and
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  Speaker 2: we'll get local reaction too. Also, the ABC loses the
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  Speaker 2: unfair dismissal case it was always going to lose, bowing
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars of taxpayers money in the process. All
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  Speaker 2: that plus Pauline Hanson, Claire Row and the Wednesday wrangle
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  Speaker 2: with Justin Smith and Lisa Goddard. As the liberals keep
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  Speaker 2: talking about the liberals, let's get into it. Look, I
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  Speaker 2: said last night, we had to be cautious about the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East cease fire.
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  Speaker 1: These things never go completely smoothly.
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  Speaker 2: But didn't they anti Trump mob in the media and
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  Speaker 2: in politics wanted to fail. Didn't they want it to
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  Speaker 2: fall apart quickly? These people are so obsessive about their
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  Speaker 2: hatred for President Donald Trump that it seems some of
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  Speaker 2: them actually wanted war to break out again in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, just to prove Trump wrong. Much of the
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  Speaker 2: media was quick to kill off the cease.
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  Speaker 3: File ceasefire failed Donald Trump's promisive peace waivers. As Iran strikes.
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  Speaker 4: Again, Tehran will tremble.
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  Speaker 5: That's the threat from Israel, which has already ordered more
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  Speaker 5: strikes on the city, accusing Iran of breaching Trump's ceasefi
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  Speaker 5: deal just hours after it came into effect. Tonight, the
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  Speaker 5: ceasefire between Israel and Iran appears to be already over.
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  Speaker 6: A ceasefire between Israel and Iran that had been declared
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  Speaker 6: by the US President Donald Trump appears to be over
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  Speaker 6: after just four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they want Trump to fail, they always do. We
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  Speaker 1: kind of get that.
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  Speaker 2: But what transpired actually was even more impressive. It was
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  Speaker 2: an incredible example of leadership and peacemaking by Donald Trump, because.
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  Speaker 3: As we reported last night, both Israel and Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Kept up hostilities right up to the ceasefire deadline, with
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  Speaker 2: tragic civilian deaths in southern Israel as a consequence. But
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  Speaker 2: even as we went to air, there was word of
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  Speaker 2: Iranian missile missiles fired at northern Israel after the ceasefire
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  Speaker 2: kicked in, and we had Gerald Steinberg say live on
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  Speaker 2: the program that they hadn't heard anyone, so hopefully there'd
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  Speaker 2: be no retaliation from Israel.
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  Speaker 5: There might be a couple of people in in Iran
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  Speaker 5: who decided on their own, people members of the Republican.
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  Speaker 1: Guide or the Iranian military who decided to launch.
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  Speaker 7: The communications system is definitely not intact, so we're going
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  Speaker 7: to probably wait and see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think those two missiles did any damage. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was wise, counsel.
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  Speaker 2: But minutes later we heard the Israeli Defense Minister of
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  Speaker 2: our vengeance declaring Israel would bomb Tehran in retaliation, and
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  Speaker 2: that's where Trump stepped in all the way from Washington
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  Speaker 2: in real time to preserve the peace.
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  Speaker 8: I think we violated it, Yeah, I don't think that.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not sure they did it intentionally.
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  Speaker 8: They couldn't rain people back. I don't like the fact
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  Speaker 8: that Israel went out this morning at all, and I'm
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  Speaker 8: going to see if I can stop it. So as
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  Speaker 8: soon as I get away from you, I'm going to
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  Speaker 8: see if I can stop it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, The President was about to border Chopper to
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  Speaker 2: head to the airport to fly to Europe for the
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  Speaker 2: NATO summit, but he was focused on stopping bombs being
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  Speaker 2: dropped in the Middle East. It was then that he
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  Speaker 2: uttered that wonderfully frank assessment to that head's nodding all
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  Speaker 2: around the world.
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  Speaker 3: What we have.
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  Speaker 8: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
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  Speaker 8: long and so hard that they don't know what the
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  Speaker 8: fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?
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  Speaker 2: Now that's a little unfair on Israel, which has never
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  Speaker 2: been the aggressor and is surrounded by enemies that want
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  Speaker 2: to destroy it. But everyone got the point, and incredibly,
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  Speaker 2: President Trump's interview, his social media posts, and his phone
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  Speaker 2: call to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu changed everything.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, a missiles huns a couple of minutes afterwards, which
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  Speaker 9: went nowhere said nothing. There was going to be a
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  Speaker 9: retaliation this morning, Joys.
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  Speaker 2: We've later learned that the Israeli fighter jets were in
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  Speaker 2: the air in Iranian airspace when the call come to
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  Speaker 2: abandon the mission.
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  Speaker 1: Terrific stuff.
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  Speaker 2: No ceasefire is smooth, No war is ended without enormous
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  Speaker 2: tension and trauma. But for now the ceasefire holds. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: of course, there are major questions about the future. The
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  Speaker 2: Islamist regime in Tehran is telling Iranians it's won a
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  Speaker 2: great victory, which gives you a bit of an insight
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  Speaker 2: into their grip on reality. So what happens to the regime,
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  Speaker 2: its sponsorship of terrorism, and its nuclear weapons ambitions is
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  Speaker 2: crucial and this is where diplomacy and international pressure will
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  Speaker 2: need to continue. As to the current state of its
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  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons program, well, CNN reported that intelligence has assessed
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  Speaker 2: the damage done to Iranian installations at the lower end
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  Speaker 2: of expectations.
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  Speaker 10: What we are told is that based on the assessments
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  Speaker 10: of the damage that these bombs implemented on these nuclear
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  Speaker 10: sites that as of right now, it does not appear
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  Speaker 10: that they ended or obliterated around nuclear program. Instead, they
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  Speaker 10: only set it back by months, according to people who
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  Speaker 10: were briefed on the assessment.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that was an early assessment from just one agency,
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  Speaker 2: with much closer examined examination to come, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: the White House was outraged.
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  Speaker 10: To White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt, she said, quote,
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  Speaker 10: this alleged assessment is flat out wrong. She said it
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  Speaker 10: was classified as top secret, but was still leaked to
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  Speaker 10: CNN by an anonymous low level loser in the intelligence community.
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  Speaker 10: The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt
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  Speaker 10: to demean President Trump and discredit the brief fighter pilots
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  Speaker 10: who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Around's nuclear program.
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  Speaker 10: Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen thirty thousand
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  Speaker 10: pound bombs perfectly on their targets.
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  Speaker 4: Total obliteration.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the President was having none of it.
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  Speaker 11: I think it's been completely demolished. I think the reason
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  Speaker 11: we're here is because those pilots just be two pilots
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  Speaker 11: did an unbelievable job. And you know, the fake news
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  Speaker 11: like CNN in particular, they're trying to you know, they're
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  Speaker 11: trying to say, well, I agree that it was destroyed,
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  Speaker 11: but maybe not that destroyed. You know they're doing they're
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  Speaker 11: really hurting great pilots that put their lives in the line.
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  Speaker 11: CNN is scum and so is MSDNC. They're all and
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  Speaker 11: frankly the networks are much better. It's all fake news.
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  Speaker 11: But they should not have done that. Those pilots hit
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  Speaker 11: their targets and targets were obliterated, and the pilots should
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  Speaker 11: be given credit then, not after the pilots are after me.
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  Speaker 2: He's firing on all eight cylinders at the moment, isn't
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  Speaker 2: he now? Of course, full inspections by the International Atomic
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  Speaker 2: Aid Energy Agency and others are going to be required
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  Speaker 2: in Iran as the international community looks to bed down
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  Speaker 2: this precarious piece that's now been hard won. This is
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  Speaker 2: the historic opportunity created by Israel's determined efforts to defend
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  Speaker 2: itself and Trump's timely but devastating decision for military intervention
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  Speaker 2: from the US. And as I said earlier in the week,
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  Speaker 2: with Iran looking to Russia for support, we could expect
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  Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin to try to extract leverage for his negotiations
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  Speaker 2: over the Ukraine War. Well that's exactly what he tried
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  Speaker 2: to do. But listen to how Trump claims to have
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  Speaker 2: dealt with that.
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  Speaker 9: I'd like to see a deal with Russia. As you know, Vladimir,
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  Speaker 9: he will be up. He said, can I help you
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  Speaker 9: with Iran? I said, no, I don't need up with Iran.
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  Speaker 9: I need up with you. And I hope we're going
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  Speaker 9: to be getting a deal done with Russia. We say, shame.
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  Speaker 9: Six thousand soldiers dn't last week more sixty five hundred
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  Speaker 9: soldiers state last week Russia, you grant that never would
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  Speaker 9: have happened if I was president.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, war still raging in Eastern Europe, with a war
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  Speaker 2: ravaged Middle East in the second day of a tense ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: while Israel's war in Gaza continues. President Trump has plenty
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  Speaker 2: on his plate. For now, he's making useful and welcome progress.
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  Speaker 2: But incredibly back here in Australia, Anthony Albanezi, after failing
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  Speaker 2: to give either Israel or the US the slightest bit
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  Speaker 2: of moral or diplomatic support for months, well today he's
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  Speaker 2: tried to associate himself with the President's success.
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  Speaker 12: I think that he stated his views pretty abruptly, and
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  Speaker 12: I think they were very clear. I certainly, as I
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  Speaker 12: supset this week, we want to see peace in the region.
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  Speaker 12: We wanted to see a cease fire, We want to
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  Speaker 12: see de escalation, and that is consistent with the very
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  Speaker 12: clear comments of President Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Really, mate, none of this would have happened.
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  Speaker 2: None of it would have happened if Trump or NETTNYA,
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  Speaker 2: who had listened to your gormless calls for de escalation,
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  Speaker 2: dialogue and diplomacy. It's only military intervention that's made these
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  Speaker 2: gains possible and created the opportunity now for diplomacy. And yes,
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  Speaker 2: it was Trump, the president that Albo can't get to meet,
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  Speaker 2: who's created this breakthrough and is pushing for peace in
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East and Ukraine as well. And whether you
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  Speaker 2: like Trump or not, surely we all want him to succeed.
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  Speaker 2: Back home, let's talk about the ABC political activism, unfair
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  Speaker 2: dismissal and perhaps two million dollars worth of your tax
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  Speaker 2: dollars being burned in legal costs for nothing. Freelance journalist
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  Speaker 2: Antoinette Latouf has won her unfair dismissal case against the
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  Speaker 2: ABC and has been awarded seventy thousand dollars in damages
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  Speaker 2: in a case that never should have gone to court
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  Speaker 2: because the ABC was always going to lose. The ABC
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  Speaker 2: has wasted your money, made fools of themselves and made
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  Speaker 2: Latou for Marta for her left wing and anti Israel views.
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  Speaker 4: I was punished for my political opinion. I won't be
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  Speaker 4: taking any questions.
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  Speaker 13: I'll have more to say in due time, Thank you
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  Speaker 13: very Bilian.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you'll have more to say, and so
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  Speaker 1: she should.
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  Speaker 2: As I said all my a year and a half ago,
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  Speaker 2: Latouf never should have been hired for her one week
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  Speaker 2: radio hosting gig because she's a well known leftist activist,
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  Speaker 2: but no doubt that's why the ABC really wanted her.
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  Speaker 2: Yet they flicked her when she shared her already well
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  Speaker 2: known views on the Israel Hamas conflict her stridently anti Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Views that created heat for the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Still, the Federal Court today dismissed Latouf's claim that she
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  Speaker 2: was targeted because of her Lebanese background.
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  Speaker 14: I have no hesitation in accepting the evidence of those
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  Speaker 14: witnesses that their actions were not motivated to any extent
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  Speaker 14: by Miss Latouf's race or national extraction, and.
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  Speaker 2: Of course that was clear to all of us way back.
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  Speaker 2: She claims she was treated differently because of her ethnic background,
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  Speaker 2: and that's absolute nonsense. The real issue was that Latouf
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  Speaker 2: was fired for holding and sharing controversial political views, is
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  Speaker 2: that the ABC was copying Flack over.
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  Speaker 14: I have found that the ABC contravened Section seven seven
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  Speaker 14: to one F of the Fair Work Act by terminating
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  Speaker 14: was the tiof's employment for reasons including that she held
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  Speaker 14: political opinions opposing the Israeli military campaign in Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: And again this was clear long before the case went
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  Speaker 2: to court. The reason the Tooth should feel aggrieved is
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  Speaker 2: because other ABC journalists regularly get exposed for posting highly
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  Speaker 2: political messages on social media, and they keep their jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Laura Tingle famously accused Scott Morrison of ideological bastardry. Barry
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  Speaker 2: Cassidy just as famously said the Trump nightmare was over,
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  Speaker 2: but of course it turned out that he was completely wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I know the toof and usually disagree with her
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  Speaker 2: on political issues. I used to have her on as
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  Speaker 2: a panelist on shows at this station because I like
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  Speaker 2: to have the contest of ideas.
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  Speaker 1: I think her views are wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I always said she was mistreated by the ABC for
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  Speaker 2: sharing them and they should have known better. And the
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  Speaker 2: real point about this being so clear for so long
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  Speaker 2: is why the ABC wasted so much of our money
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  Speaker 2: and their reputation fighting this thing in court, something the
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  Speaker 2: Public Broadcasters relatively new boss addressed today.
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  Speaker 5: I think the ABC also was keen to not take
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  Speaker 5: this to litigation because, let's face it is, I think
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  Speaker 5: has been reported many millions of dollars have been spent
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  Speaker 5: that shouldn't have been spent. I think it just got
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  Speaker 5: to a stage from where I can see it where
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  Speaker 5: probably the case was unable to be settled just you know,
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  Speaker 5: by share time and affluxion of time. And it would
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  Speaker 5: have been ideal if this didn't go to court and
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  Speaker 5: there wasn't this noise about a matter that you know,
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  Speaker 5: on the scheme of things compared to what else is
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  Speaker 5: happening in the world at the moment. We need to
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  Speaker 5: reflect that of the importance of this, and so it
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't be better if it didn't settle. But we weren't
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  Speaker 5: able to get to that outcome.
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  Speaker 1: No real explanation there was there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the point is we all know what goes
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  Speaker 2: on here is not their money, so they don't mind
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  Speaker 2: wasting it.
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  Speaker 15: The ABC rejected and offer last July to settle the
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  Speaker 15: case for eighty five thousand dollars, instead blowing over one
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  Speaker 15: million dollars in taxpayer month money to discredit itself.
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  Speaker 1: Just a shocker.
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  Speaker 2: And what about the lessons when it comes to editorial
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  Speaker 2: independence and objectivity at the ABC, It all seems pretty confused.
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  Speaker 2: Are it's journalists supposed to be impartial or not?
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  Speaker 5: I think before I go on to you know, important
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  Speaker 5: principles of independence. Of course, the way in which the
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  Speaker 5: ABC need to act in terms of balance and fairness
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  Speaker 5: and it's reporting, which are fundamental obligations to the ABC.
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  Speaker 5: I think we just need to also note that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if this was to come up again in the future,
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  Speaker 5: I think we would act on a very different basis.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you'd think so the ABC shouldn't have actor,
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't have haired her, shouldn't have sactor. But does that
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  Speaker 2: mean all the other ABC presenters that can now keep
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  Speaker 2: sharing their green left news or is the ABC now
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  Speaker 2: going to at least pretend to be objective again.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know, and I don't think they know either.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Jerusalem now and catch up again with
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  Speaker 2: Flur Hazen Nahum, who's Israel's Foreign Ministry Special Envoy joining
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  Speaker 2: us live.
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  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you again, Fleur. Give us a.
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  Speaker 2: Sense first up on the morning, second day of the ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: presumably no alerts, no warnings. Tell us about the sense
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  Speaker 2: with people there, whether it's optimistic or you're very, very
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  Speaker 2: tense and cautious.
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  Speaker 16: Well, it's the first night that we've been able to
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  Speaker 16: sleep through the night, so let's start with that. Because
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  Speaker 16: there were alarms through the night. We've had rocket barrages
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  Speaker 16: through the night of the last week and a half.
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  Speaker 16: So I think everybody got a good night's sleep last night,
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  Speaker 16: So let's start with that. There is a cautious optimism
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  Speaker 16: that is going to stick. It didn't look very good
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  Speaker 16: yesterday when they actually send a missile that killed four people,
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  Speaker 16: including two young people, a young couple of eighteen years old.
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  Speaker 7: It's just tragic.
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  Speaker 16: On the moment, the day that the ceasefire was meant
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  Speaker 16: to start, they managed to kill four more people and
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  Speaker 16: we're devastated by that. And today we're devastated by some
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  Speaker 16: news coming from Gaza that seven soldiers from the Engineering
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  Speaker 16: Corps also died in Gaza. So it's a mixed day
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  Speaker 16: emotionally because we really mourn our losses here very deeply.
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  Speaker 16: We feel like one family. This is a very small country.
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  Speaker 16: We all know people who know people who've lost people,
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  Speaker 16: and it's exhausting and it's heartbreaking that we're still in
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  Speaker 16: the middle of this war, which is essentially a jihadi war.
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  Speaker 16: And I think what people haven't realized is the connection
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  Speaker 16: between the Islamic Republic of Iran and Hamas and of
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  Speaker 16: course Casola. This is all part of one big plan
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  Speaker 16: and So whilst we finished the war directly with the
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  Speaker 16: Islamic Republic of Iran and hopefully degraded their nuclear ambitions
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  Speaker 16: quite significantly, we still have one of their proxies that
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  Speaker 16: are killing our soldiers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very important point to make the linkages there
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully defeating Iran on Iranian territory will help cut
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  Speaker 2: off at least communication supplies to Hamas in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to go.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to overlook those tragedies that you just
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  Speaker 2: talked about. Those latest civilian casualties in Israel were the
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  Speaker 2: last missiles fired before the cease fire, but there was
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  Speaker 2: the missile fired in the northern Israel after the ceasefire.
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  Speaker 1: Those missiles were shot down.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody thankfully was killed or injured, but it was it
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  Speaker 2: did precipitate the Defense Minister announcing.
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  Speaker 1: That Israel was going to strike. I run and fighter
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  Speaker 1: jets were sent.
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  Speaker 2: Did Donald Trump save Israel from itself when he intervened
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  Speaker 2: and called your Prime minister and says, don't do this,
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  Speaker 2: preserve the cease fire, this retaliation will jeopardize it all.
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  Speaker 16: Well, you know, I wasn't privy to those conversations, but Ultimately,
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  Speaker 16: it's a shame that he didn't say the same thing
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  Speaker 16: to Iran before four dead people, innocent people who did
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  Speaker 16: because they did fire a deadly missile to very Cheven
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  Speaker 16: the south of the country after the supposed cease fire
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  Speaker 16: at seven am has started. So you know, if that happened,
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  Speaker 16: then perhaps he helped everything de escalate. You have to
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  Speaker 16: understand with these fanatical jihadi apocalyptic genociders there in the
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  Speaker 16: Islamic Republic of Iran, they want to present this as
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  Speaker 16: a They've have their entire population cut from the Internet,
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  Speaker 16: so they don't know what's really going on, and now
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  Speaker 16: they're presenting this as a huge victory and that's how
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  Speaker 16: they keep the reins of power by creating this facade.
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  Speaker 2: It is bizarre, and hopefully as communications channels open up,
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  Speaker 2: their people will come to understand that if they don't
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  Speaker 2: even under if they don't understand it. Now, just before
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  Speaker 2: I let you go, I want to want to know
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  Speaker 2: what's happening with the Israeli government today. I understand that
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  Speaker 2: senior levels are meeting, perhaps that the war Cabinet itself
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  Speaker 2: for what's the next step for Israel.
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  Speaker 16: Well, first of all, if this cease fire is to hold.
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  Speaker 16: We have to have an agreement. It doesn't have to
• 19:41
  Speaker 16: be directly with Iran because they're an enemy state, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 16: there has to be some type of broken agreement by
• 19:47
  Speaker 16: which we take the enrichment of weapons read uranium off
• 19:50
  Speaker 16: the table. Otherwise, what did you do in the last
• 19:53
  Speaker 16: week and a half? That was our purpose, that was
• 19:55
  Speaker 16: our mission. We managed to degrade them. We don't understand
• 19:58
  Speaker 16: still the full extent of how much we degraded their capacity.
• 20:01
  Speaker 16: The Americans said, we're destroyed four or completely, and reports
• 20:05
  Speaker 16: are coming from different places and intelligence reports that in
• 20:08
  Speaker 16: fact they did it some damage and they pushed back
• 20:11
  Speaker 16: the enrichment and uranion by three to six months and
• 20:13
  Speaker 16: not more than that. So we need to basically, first
• 20:16
  Speaker 16: of all understand what where they are and what we
• 20:19
  Speaker 16: did manage to do, and then if there's to be
• 20:22
  Speaker 16: an agreement, it has to be broken and the Ranians
• 20:24
  Speaker 16: have to give up on this ambition of having weapons readiani.
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: And I'm hoping that President Trump brings in other regional
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: partners like Saudi Arabia who know exactly who the Islamic
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: Republic is and who's interest it is also to make
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: sure that there's no nuclear weapons coming away from Iran.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: The whole world needs to make sure that that commitment
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: is given and is verified.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, flour really appreciate your
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: time again. Hasen Nahoum there, who's a special envoy for
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Let's bring it back to Australia.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Now, hit up the coins down and catch up with
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson, the one I founder and leader, joins us
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: from Scenic Groom.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Pauline.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: We've discussed the Middle East before, so let me just
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts here on the momentous events of the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: past forty eight hours.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The fact that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump used American military might and then used his
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: political power so strongly around this time yesterday to pull
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: back Israel and get them to preserve the ceasefire even
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: after Iran had breached it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: I think it's fantastic what he's done. I've always supported
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: Donald Trump, and I think you know that, and I
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: haven't hidden the fact that I do support the man.
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: I think he's got Okay. Everyone thinks he's radical and
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: his thoughts and his views and his actions and what
• 21:48
  Speaker 13: he does, but he's man that actually got his guts
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: and follows through. We haven't got that in our prime minister.
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: There's no one in the wide world would our prime
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: minister have gone in. We don't even have military might,
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: he doesn't have the backbone to do it. So we
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: have to rely on people like Donald Trump, and through
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: his actions, hopefully there will be peace and for decades
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: to come. I hope that be the case for people
• 22:11
  Speaker 13: on both sides, whether you're an Iranian or whether you're
• 22:15
  Speaker 13: from Israel, but even for other people around the world,
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: because if it's stopped the building of nuclear weapons by Iran,
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: well then it's been the greatest outcome that we can see.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, And I just think the international community has
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to come in very very strongly behind him and Israel
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: now and make sure that all of this is verified
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and locked in for good, whether that regime stays there
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: or not. Let's bring it back to Australia and the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: new political regime here. The new opposition leader Susan Lee
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: addressing the Press club today was very much the Liberal
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Party talking about the Liberal Party, which is a bit
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: of a problem for them.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I would have thought, what did you make of it?
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: Look she said they were smashed too, right, they were smashed.
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: That was an election that they could have won, but
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: they lost it. At the end of last year. At
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: the beginning this year they were up in the polls
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: and they should have actually won the election. There was
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: no pushback when the Labor Party started their campaign they
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: brought about the Medicare card. Where was that back pushback
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: with regards to the Medicaid card about they're going to
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: make cuts to it or even to the education apartment.
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: There was no pushback whatsoever. And then when they started
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: on the nuclear power plants, what it's going to cost
• 23:29
  Speaker 13: the strands, they didn't have an answer for it. They've
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: left their key I think the key people out of
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: the election campaign. That was Andrew hasty and just sent
• 23:37
  Speaker 13: a price. They should have had them on the campaign trail. Also,
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: I know Dutton was not liked a lot of people
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: always questioned me about what was like. Susanly didn't enthuse
• 23:48
  Speaker 13: me whatsoever in her interviews.
• 23:51
  Speaker 17: She gave me no hope.
• 23:52
  Speaker 13: She talks now about you know, we've got to look
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: at the modern Australia. But what is the modern Australia.
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: I'll say to Susan Lee One Nation increased a number of.
• 24:03
  Speaker 17: Senators from two to four.
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: Then we've just had sworn in two new members in
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: the Western Straan and Parliament. We've actually increased our vote
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: across the country. Why because we have conservative values about
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: lowering taxes, you know, the looking after those middle income earners,
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: supporting those people that where they needsport.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: If she wants diversity, if.
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: She wants head down the path of net zero and
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: destroying the prosperity of this country, she will keep losing
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: more and more to One Nation because I'll stick to
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: the conservative values what people want for the future of
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: this nation. Go back to the grassroots conservative values instead
• 24:40
  Speaker 13: of thinking that you've got a pee appeal to those people.
• 24:43
  Speaker 13: The new migrants come here, why do they come here
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: in the first place, because what this country offers them, security, prosperity,
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: put for their children.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It seems to me that the Liberals, instead of winning arguments,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: they want to avoid arguments, and that's no way to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: conduct politics.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: You've actually got to win the argument.
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: You have to, and that's what our position is about.
• 25:07
  Speaker 13: You have to show up the government and their policies
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: and hold them to account. The Liberal Party never really
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: did that. On the floor of Parliament. They were pathetic.
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: They were licking their wounds for nearly three years. Are
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: they going to do the same this time around, because
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: they need to really push back. I'm going to be
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: doing it with my three members of Parliament standing beside me,
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: and we're going to call for accountability out of this government.
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: They've got the numbers by all means, but the people
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: must know what is going on in that parliament and
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: what new legislation means to them.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter how bad the numbers are and
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: how early it is in the term. You've got to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: get cracking, and you've got to get cracking quick smart.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauling and appreciate it, Pauling hands
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and they're joining us Life from Queensland.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: You've got to get to a break.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll talk about Labour's bound on
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: social media for the under sixteens. It's due to come
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: in in December this year, but there's still plenty of work,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: plenty of details to work out.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I'll catch up with child psychologists, clear right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Laters band on social Media for children under sixteen is
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: due to come into effect in December, but there's still
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: plenty of unanswered questions, including exactly how.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: The system's going to work.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Now, the E Safety Commissioner has thrown a spanner in
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the works, arguing that YouTube, the video streaming platform, should
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: also be included in the ban.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from nine News.
• 26:26
  Speaker 18: Safety Online, fronts and Center at the National Press Club.
• 26:29
  Speaker 19: Any platform that says they're absolutely safe is absolutely spinning words.
• 26:36
  Speaker 18: According to research from the E Safety Commission, almost all
• 26:40
  Speaker 18: children between ten and fifteen years old used at least
• 26:43
  Speaker 18: one social media platform. Around seventy percent encountered harmful content
• 26:47
  Speaker 18: like misogynistic or hateful material, violent fight videos, and content
• 26:52
  Speaker 18: promoting disordered eating. YouTube the most frequently cited platform, with
• 26:56
  Speaker 18: almost forty percent of kids reporting exposure to concern in content.
• 27:01
  Speaker 18: In a statement, the company promoting its educational benefits. YouTube
• 27:04
  Speaker 18: is not a social platform. It's a video streaming platform.
• 27:08
  Speaker 18: YouTube is suitable for younger users.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Let's bring in.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Child and adolescent psychologists, clear right, joining us live from Melbourne.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Claire.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: This we all sort of support the intent of this legislation.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: The more you hear about it, the closer agains. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: wonder how on earth it's going to work.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 20: Absolutely, We're six months out now from needing to enforce
• 27:35
  Speaker 20: this law, and we are just awash with complete vagueness
• 27:40
  Speaker 20: of how this is going to happen. And look, yeah
• 27:43
  Speaker 20: today talking with you, the E Safety Commissioner coming out
• 27:46
  Speaker 20: now saying YouTube or social be included.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: So we haven't even.
• 27:49
  Speaker 20: Decided what platforms are going to be included, let alone
• 27:53
  Speaker 20: how we're going to monitor this.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: And look, as a child.
• 27:57
  Speaker 20: Psychologist, I can tell you I will say social is
• 28:00
  Speaker 20: terrible for children. I can't think of net positives. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 20: don't even think children should be on smartphones. However, I
• 28:07
  Speaker 20: have been a reluctant supporter of this legislation because essentially
• 28:11
  Speaker 20: I don't think it is a government role.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: To do this.
• 28:14
  Speaker 20: I think it is parental authority that needs to step up.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: But when we're talking about.
• 28:19
  Speaker 20: Now including YouTube, I have to say, Chris, I think
• 28:23
  Speaker 20: the E Safety Commissioner has a little bit of a
• 28:26
  Speaker 20: taste of power here. The funny thing is I do
• 28:30
  Speaker 20: agree with a lot of the things she says.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Is any platform safe for kids? No, it's not.
• 28:35
  Speaker 20: YouTube can be highly addictive, it can hijack kids attention.
• 28:40
  Speaker 20: I've got kids myself, they sit there scrolling and doom
• 28:42
  Speaker 20: scrolling away, and they can come across really harmful content.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, children under twelve.
• 28:50
  Speaker 20: Years old shouldn't be on YouTube without adult supervision, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 20: that's the point.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: So I completely agree.
• 28:56
  Speaker 20: I think YouTube is a video sharing a platform.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: It's not social media.
• 29:00
  Speaker 20: You're not posting things to get likes, to connect with friends,
• 29:04
  Speaker 20: to get that validation and exchange messages.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: And I think that's a really slippery path.
• 29:09
  Speaker 20: Ifore we start banning YouTube, because we might as well,
• 29:12
  Speaker 20: then just what ban Internet for the.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Children in general?
• 29:16
  Speaker 20: Any website democracy to ban kind of public information sites
• 29:22
  Speaker 20: slippery slope.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a look at what Julian and Grant
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: had to say about that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 19: Our recommendation was that no specific platform be exempted because,
• 29:33
  Speaker 19: as I said, their relative risks and homes can change.
• 29:38
  Speaker 19: I think any platform that says they're absolutely safe is
• 29:44
  Speaker 19: absolutely spinning words.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's on that power trip, as you say.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: But to me, this YouTube step just highlights all the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: gray areas that we're worried about here, Claire, Because sure
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: we know TikTok and Instagram and all that stuff is
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: usually frivolous, but there can be important information there too,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: but YouTube is full of important information. My kids have
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: no social media and whatnot, but they're constantly looking for
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: stuff on YouTube, whether it's sporting highlights or whether it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: how to fix their bikes and all that sort of stuff.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So it's like banning television.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's lots of harmful stuff on television that
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't let my kids watch, so we don't ban television.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So it's a matter where they draw the.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Line, and I think YouTube is definitely over the line.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I agree with that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 20: I think, as you said, YouTube has a lot of
• 30:35
  Speaker 20: informational content, educational content.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: How to videos. But again, are you giving it to
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: an eight year old to have in their bedroom to.
• 30:43
  Speaker 20: Scroll mindlessly through critically without any adult overside critical point.
• 30:47
  Speaker 20: You've got to have the parents what their kids are watching.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you've.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Got to get up in the morning and see what
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: they're watching rather than just sleep in and let them
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: scroll around.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: We know it's tough, but you've got to do that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us clear again, Claiar Rode.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: They're always a paragon of good sense when it comes
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to these issues. We can't get the government to do
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: everything for us parents have to do some parenting. Let's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: have another break on the other side. We'll get back
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: into this ABC case where they've lost the unfair dismissal case.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: They're always going to lose it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: They've just blown millions of dollars of taxpayers money in
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the process.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I'll catch up with.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Chris Merrit from the Rule of Law Institute. As I
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: mentioned at the top of the program, freelance journal los
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Angelinette le twof as one who unfair dismissal case against
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the ABC and has been awarded seventy thousand dollars damages
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: in a case that never should have been decort Here's
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: how the ABC reported the news this morning.
• 31:47
  Speaker 21: The journalist was taken off air part way through a
• 31:49
  Speaker 21: casual radio presenting contract in Sydney and December twenty twenty
• 31:54
  Speaker 21: three after sharing a post from Human Rights Watch about
• 31:58
  Speaker 21: the war in Gaza on her Instagram. The judge bound
• 32:00
  Speaker 21: to the ABC contravened the Fair Work to Act by
• 32:03
  Speaker 21: terminating Missler Troope's employment for reasons including that she held
• 32:07
  Speaker 21: a political opinion opposing the Israeli military campaign in Gaza.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Chris Merit from the Rule of Law
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Institute joining us live from Sydney.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Chris. There's so much
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to discuss with this case, but let's start with just
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the idiocy.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: In my view of the ABC taking this to court,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: it always seemed obvious that she was wronged and kicked
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: off here before she was judo have been and.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: They should have just settled this and moved on.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Agreed.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was blindingly obvious right from the very beginning,
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: even before she started. The ABC's mistakes started. There were
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: ABC management concluded just after she started that there was
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: inadequate vetting of who she was her social media. They concluded,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: after looking at that social media that she was not
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: an appropriate person to hold a very prominent position on
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: morning radio, and they were in a quandary what are
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: they going to do about it? And they concluded that
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: the least damaging outcome was to let her go for
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: the full five days instead of getting rid of her prematurely.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: But that all changed on the Wednesday of her only week.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: It became apparent that there was a shed posted something
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: accusing the Israeli army of using starvation as a weapon
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: of war, and that came that realization came about right
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: on the heels of questions from The Australian's Sophie Ellsworth
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: about how many complaints had been received about mis Latouf,
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: and this put the ABC in a terrible panic, and
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: that is the reason she was gone. At about one
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: point thirty in the afternoon. The press statement announcing her
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: departure had been drafted before she was even called into
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: a meeting and asked to explain herself. She wasn't told
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: what she'd been, what her misdemeanor was. She wasn't given
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: an opportunity to have somebody accompany her. She wasn't told
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: what the process of deciding whether she had done wrong,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: what that process would be. She wasn't given an opportunity
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: to put air.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Side of things.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: So the mistakes were just piled on top of each other,
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: one after another. Once they couldn't prove that she had
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: been given a direction not to post social media, the
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: whole the house of cards fell apart.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Sure did that.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I just want to go to what her lawyer, Josha
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Worstein had to say, because he highlighted this fact that
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: there were opportunities to settle this.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: After she'd laid the complaint.
• 35:03
  Speaker 15: The ABC rejected and offer last July to settle the
• 35:10
  Speaker 15: case for eighty five thousand dollars, instead blowing over one
• 35:15
  Speaker 15: million dollars in taxpayer money, money to discredit itself.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris, this is the point of the interstry.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Obviously they misman managed the hiring of her and the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: dismissal of her. But then when it's getting to this stage,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't they settle?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Is it just the fact that there are a.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Government agency and it's not their money. They don't really
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: care how much they spend, so they just roll up
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a million dollar legal bill defending what's really indefensible.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: Yes, this is the ABC's the absc's got form on this.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: You might remember they paid legal fees for Louise Milligan,
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: one of their reporters that had been incurred defending a
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: private defamation action. It's unbelievable that they were able to
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: get themselves into this position. What they should have done
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: right at the very beginning is vet properly vet who
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: they are going to hire to run Sydney Mornings on radio.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: And once they realized they had a problem, they should
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: have called in the lawyers and not worried about being
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: panicked into prematurely giving missler tuf for marching orders without
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: giving her normal employment rights that everybody should be entitled to.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: It doesn't matter what your view is on her position
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: on the Middle East. He was denied normal employment rights.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: That's clear as crystal, and the ABC should have known
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: that and should have thrown in the hand and saved
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: us all a lot of money.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Indeed, and they've made a martyr of her along the way,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and we'll be hearing plenty more from her.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: No doubt on those issues. Thanks so much for joining us.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Chris, I appreciate it, Chris merrit there from the Rule
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: of Law Institute, got.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: To get to a break.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I the other side of that, with the Wednesday wrangle.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: One of the things we'll look at is a cook
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that calls for teachers.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Can you believe this?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Teachers are being told to use gender neutral greetings, not
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to say girls and boys anymore in the classroom. You
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: won't believe the terms they're now suggesting. I have that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: after the break, just before we get to the Wednesday wrangle,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I want to let you know that we are on
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: standby having a look at the NATO summit in the Hague.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump is due to arrive there any moment,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and if he joins the NATO Secretary General and has
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: anything to say, we'll cross their live. That could be
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: coming up in the next ten or fifteen minutes, So
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: stay tuned and see what happens there. But in the meantime,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: let's catch up with the Wednesday wrangle. Joining us ever
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  Speaker 2: is a Justin Smith columnist, broadcast and author joining us
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: from Melbourne and Lisa Goddard with a Dony Media joining
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: us live from Bridge.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to both of you were joining us. How about
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the Trump's today?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: It gets the piece of the ceasefire deal, it starts
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to go wonky, and he really stepped in and pulled.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Back, pulled back the fighter jets from Israel. Justin you
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: must have been impressed.
• 38:19
  Speaker 22: Well good, It's always a show, is it with Donald Trump?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm much. I'm trying to think.
• 38:25
  Speaker 22: Is he the Is he the first president to ever
• 38:28
  Speaker 22: drop the F word at a press conference?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I know Bill Clinton.
• 38:32
  Speaker 22: Used to say, but it was mostly when he was
• 38:34
  Speaker 22: in the heat of passion and privately in his office.
• 38:37
  Speaker 22: But it's out, well, it's look, it's it's look.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: It's always just look. It's extraordinary.
• 38:49
  Speaker 22: I think what he's the way he's no, not I
• 38:53
  Speaker 22: wouldn't say the way that he's necessarily behaved in the
• 38:55
  Speaker 22: last couple of days. But again, it's always a show,
• 38:57
  Speaker 22: and it's one of the big the big problems with
• 38:59
  Speaker 22: Trump is that you've got to put up with all
• 39:01
  Speaker 22: the stuff beforehand, all the exaggeration and dare I say,
• 39:05
  Speaker 22: untruth from Trump, and then when something very serious comes along,
• 39:09
  Speaker 22: you really, you know, we now need to believe the
• 39:13
  Speaker 22: president of the We really need to believe the president
• 39:16
  Speaker 22: of the United States. So if he's been exaggerating before,
• 39:19
  Speaker 22: when do that? When does the show kind of stop
• 39:21
  Speaker 22: and the seriousness begin? This has always been the problem
• 39:24
  Speaker 22: with him.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, stunnying revelation there from Justin Smith. Politicians exaggerate,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and Donald Trump apparently is the first one to exaggerate.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at this comment because before I
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: come to you, Lisa, because I think this is just
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: a stunning, stunning example of frankness that probably had heads
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: nodding right around the world.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: We have We basically have two countries that have been
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: fighting so long and so hard that they don't know
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: what the they're doing.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Do you understand that, Lisa.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Now, I could talk about this issue Uphill and Downdale
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  Speaker 2: for months, but I think most people around the world
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: will agree with him on that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: That kind of sums up the situation just now.
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  Speaker 23: It certainly sums up his frustration, doesn't it. I don't
• 40:10
  Speaker 23: think any media adviser in this country or any other
• 40:12
  Speaker 23: country would be saying, hey, just quietly drop the F
• 40:15
  Speaker 23: bomb just for effect. But it clearly showed his frustration,
• 40:18
  Speaker 23: and look, it showed him to be a strong man.
• 40:20
  Speaker 23: I think because the average person watching that you write,
• 40:22
  Speaker 23: Chris would look at that and go, you know what,
• 40:24
  Speaker 23: I can relate to that, and at the end of
• 40:26
  Speaker 23: the day, justin you may not agree with it, but
• 40:28
  Speaker 23: what that shows is that he was actually in there
• 40:31
  Speaker 23: and he was What happened was what he said would happen.
• 40:33
  Speaker 23: He actually drew a line in the sand, and everyone
• 40:36
  Speaker 23: at this point has fallen back into line. So I
• 40:38
  Speaker 23: think it's working in it.
• 40:39
  Speaker 22: He also said he'd stopped all wars within twenty four
• 40:41
  Speaker 22: hours and becoming president as well.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's having a good crack at stopping this one.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he does exaggerate. Justin that we all agree
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: with that. But my point is I think all politicians do.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Most of them lie, and they certainly all exaggerate. I
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: want to show you one bit that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 22: I'm glad you're finally admitting to this made as a
• 40:59
  Speaker 22: political operative, as a former political offer, and what are
• 41:02
  Speaker 22: you talking.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I know a little about politics, and there's exaggeration involved.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: There's there's no doubt about that. The point about Trump
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and flippancy.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Because I've spoken about the serious aspects many times, but
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I've got to show you this clip.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I had seen this on social media for I don't
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: know a couple of days, and I thought it was
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: too flippant for me to even repost.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: But the President not. He sent it around the world.
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: Have a look.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: A good laugh, Lisa, or unbecoming for a president to
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: endorse that.
• 41:50
  Speaker 23: Yeah, look at my bit. Just a little bit too
• 41:52
  Speaker 23: far on that one. But look, we see a lot
• 41:53
  Speaker 23: more memes hitting social media. Some of them we're starting
• 41:56
  Speaker 23: to see what the bombers being a fake, one of
• 41:58
  Speaker 23: them a bomber being grounded in a So we're going
• 42:00
  Speaker 23: to see a lot more of this stuff pushed out
• 42:02
  Speaker 23: over the next few days and into the weeks. I
• 42:04
  Speaker 23: suspect and The problem is you need people to actually
• 42:07
  Speaker 23: put that radar across it to go is this real
• 42:09
  Speaker 23: news or is this, as trumb would say, fake news.
• 42:11
  Speaker 17: That's going to be the problem.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Just keep an eye on the Hague there and the
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: arrivals at NATO to see whether Donald Trump turns up
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: for anytime soon.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Just a good one for you, though, Justin is we
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: did manage that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: We did manage to get the journalist to the president
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and managed to ask Donald Trump what he thought about
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: how Anthony Alberineesi and Chris Bowen were handling the Australian
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: energy grid.
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: Have a look, they don't know what they're doing.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: You've got to agree with him on that one, don't
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you fake news? That's fake news. But it's the right
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: answer to the right question. We shall see whether Donald
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Trump arrives there.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: So now tell us what you think about Susan Lee
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and her address to the press club today.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Let's start off with.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: This assessment of the election should outcome.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: She told her how it is.
• 43:03
  Speaker 24: So let's be honest and upfront about last month's selection.
• 43:07
  Speaker 24: We didn't just lose, we got smashed, totally smashed.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: What we as the.
• 43:17
  Speaker 24: Liberal Party presented to the Australian people was comprehensively rejected.
• 43:24
  Speaker 24: The scale of that defeat, its size and significance is
• 43:27
  Speaker 24: not lost on me.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Did she need to say all that justin.
• 43:34
  Speaker 22: I think she did need to say that, and she
• 43:36
  Speaker 22: seemed to say it kind of quite well. It was
• 43:39
  Speaker 22: a reasonably impressive speech, to be honest, because I think
• 43:43
  Speaker 22: she was smart enough to work out. Look if I say,
• 43:47
  Speaker 22: if I come on there and say our labor were
• 43:49
  Speaker 22: lying and the electric don't know what the hell they're
• 43:51
  Speaker 22: talking about, and you know, if she had tried to
• 43:54
  Speaker 22: play that card even a little bit, it was never
• 43:56
  Speaker 22: going to work. So so laying the cards out on
• 43:59
  Speaker 22: the table and say, look, we got it wrong. We
• 44:01
  Speaker 22: just got absolutely pumbled into the ground and we deserved it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 22: But okay, I thought it was kind of impressive, to
• 44:07
  Speaker 22: be honest. I'm not a bad start for him.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, before it comes to you, Lisa, I just show
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: another excerpt from the speech where she talked about the
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: future of the Liberal Party.
• 44:16
  Speaker 24: When I say the Liberal Party must respect, reflect and
• 44:20
  Speaker 24: represent modern Australia, people have understandably asked, what do we
• 44:26
  Speaker 24: mean by that Modern Australia is diverse, dynamic and ambitious.
• 44:32
  Speaker 24: It's made up of people from every corner of the world.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, really, don't we just need to move on
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and talk about some policies.
• 44:41
  Speaker 23: Lisa, Well, that was going to be my point. It's
• 44:45
  Speaker 23: a lot of words. It doesn't really mean anything. They're
• 44:47
  Speaker 23: they're very motherhood statements. So she's not, actually, I don't
• 44:50
  Speaker 23: think connecting with the average Australian out there who says,
• 44:52
  Speaker 23: where is the Liberal Party gone?
• 44:54
  Speaker 17: And what do you stand for and what are you
• 44:55
  Speaker 17: going to do for me?
• 44:56
  Speaker 23: At this point we've got another working group that We've
• 44:59
  Speaker 23: got a working group on energy and omissions. At some
• 45:01
  Speaker 23: point she needs to lead and to be a leader
• 45:04
  Speaker 23: you need to know what you believe in, and so
• 45:06
  Speaker 23: far we're not hearing that from her. It's almost like
• 45:08
  Speaker 23: it's Liberal Party by committee and we'll come back to
• 45:10
  Speaker 23: you at some point.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stop talking about the Liberal Party, start talking about
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: some issues.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I've got to get your thoughts on this madness. An
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: edict from the New South Wales Teaches this federation.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: They're saying that teachers have got to avoid gendered language
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: such as boys and girls. So instead of going into
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the classroom in the morning and saying good morning, boys,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and girls, or it's time to have a look at
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: your homework.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Boys and girls.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: They suggest other terms, perhaps call them epic humans or
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: awesome humans, or good morning superstars, good morning future leaders.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: How's your homework going, intellectuals? Man, this is just madness.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: It's that justin they are boys and girls.
• 45:50
  Speaker 22: Well, yeah, thankfully this is not an edict coming from
• 45:54
  Speaker 22: the Department of Education.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: This is not yet.
• 45:56
  Speaker 22: I think it is one page. It was put out
• 45:58
  Speaker 22: in a newsletter, Ahi, And I think we should do
• 46:01
  Speaker 22: some foot stamping if that's the case, because look, as
• 46:03
  Speaker 22: you and I've talked about many times, when they kind
• 46:05
  Speaker 22: of pull this thing, it doesn't actually help anybody out.
• 46:08
  Speaker 22: You know, it doesn't help transgender people, it doesn't help
• 46:12
  Speaker 22: same sex people. It doesn't actually help them when they
• 46:15
  Speaker 22: use this kind of language. It's just sort of this
• 46:17
  Speaker 22: thing on the periphery that makes people feel good about
• 46:20
  Speaker 22: it but doesn't actually do anything. So if the department
• 46:23
  Speaker 22: starts talking about it, I think it's a worry, But
• 46:25
  Speaker 22: at the moment, I don't think it's much of a concern.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just nonsense, isn't at least that this is
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: the trouble and they're just chipping away all the time.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: They're trying to pretend that there is no gender difference.
• 46:37
  Speaker 17: Exactly.
• 46:38
  Speaker 23: We look, I could say guys, gents, but that would
• 46:40
  Speaker 23: obviously be offensive and I need to go back to school.
• 46:43
  Speaker 23: So I quite like the change makers and the star superstars.
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: I was going to refer to you too in that mode.
• 46:48
  Speaker 23: But look, at the end of the day, the federations
• 46:51
  Speaker 23: to get back to looking at what is happening in
• 46:52
  Speaker 23: our class I know, get back to what is happening
• 46:55
  Speaker 23: in our classrooms.
• 46:55
  Speaker 17: You've got your years three, five and seven failing but
• 46:59
  Speaker 17: not meaning that standard.
• 47:00
  Speaker 23: Get back to teaching them how to read and write,
• 47:02
  Speaker 23: not introducing that you can't be boys and girls.
• 47:05
  Speaker 17: Teachers have a tough time as it is.
• 47:07
  Speaker 23: They don't need to be trying to learn a new language,
• 47:09
  Speaker 23: and it comes to talking to boys and girls.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: They sure don't.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Now let's finish on some unabated good news.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: It relates to a fellow Queenslander of yours, Lisa.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: It's a gout gout.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Running for the first time in the European Professional Athletics
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: and just.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Have a look at him in the two hundred meters.
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: Now expect Amena to lead into the streets and gout
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: that third from that to come back at him once
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: they get into the street.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Its first race as a pro in Europe.
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: This from Gaul Gaut.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: Now he's got a target Menya moving away from Im
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: Morizzi in the head.
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: Pund a battle between these two and got working so
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: hard to get to him. How he gets there, gout
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: take it by meter?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Just blistering. How exciting is this? Just and he's still
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: doing Year twelve.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: That's his first professional race and he's blitzed the field.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I love him.
• 47:56
  Speaker 22: I can't when he's on you know, when we see
• 47:58
  Speaker 22: clips of him, I can't watching.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I can't take my eyes off him.
• 48:01
  Speaker 22: He is just such a supreme athlete and we're going
• 48:05
  Speaker 22: to be saying his name for years and years to come.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Sure chiseled away in the books, isn't it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I'm already thinking about him at the Brisbane Games, Lisa, Yeah, I'll.
• 48:16
  Speaker 23: Tell you what you wouldn't want to be in Year
• 48:18
  Speaker 23: twelve though, trying to compete with him on Athletic Day.
• 48:20
  Speaker 23: Would you've been thinking twice about what the competition was
• 48:25
  Speaker 23: in seed?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Lisa, got out in
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Brisbane and justin Smith in Melbourne.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I've started reading yourself your other book too, Justin. I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: have to talk about that another time. Yeah, gout, gout.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You know he's going to go, he's going to win
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: gold for Australia. Not too much pressure on him.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: But when his athletic stays are up, I reckon there's
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: space for him on a wing at the Adelaide Crows.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, don't forget stay tuned. We'll see
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: what happens there with Donald Trump in NATO coming up
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: next to his Quidlin hosted by Peter Quitlin.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I'll see tomorrow