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NBA Playoffs Banter: OKC 2025 Champions! Will OKC Repeat? Haliburton Injury & Durant Trade Talk! · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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Speaker 1: NBA basketball fans, Welcome back to the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast.
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Speaker 1: He's Marshall, I'm Chris, and we're here to recap what
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Speaker 1: was a great series that obviously we didn't get an
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Speaker 1: amazing fourth quarter obviously as well, seeing Halliburton hit three
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Speaker 1: threes early and then go down, you could really kind
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Speaker 1: of just tell when it happened, like, man, he is
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Speaker 1: down down, So you got a feel for him not
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Speaker 1: just trying to win the game, but also next year,
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Speaker 1: you know, the East, it's it's a mess. Next year, man,
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Speaker 1: it is a it is a just a mess with
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Speaker 1: the injuries, obviously. So we are going to break down
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Speaker 1: a little bit of Game six. Obviously, you know, I've
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Speaker 1: said obviously a lot here. It got out of hand
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Speaker 1: fairly quickly. We'll talk a fair amount about Game seven.
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Speaker 1: Then we'll give our thoughts on the Kevin Durant trade
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Speaker 1: that is now well, I guess you can't say it's
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Speaker 1: one hundred official because it doesn't become official till like
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Speaker 1: July sixth, but they do have that. You know, we
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Speaker 1: have the draft coming up, and what we were thinking is,
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Speaker 1: well we'll kind of see what Yiannis does and see
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Speaker 1: what happens. We probably won't do a free agency show
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Speaker 1: too early. We'll probably do it later in the summer.
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Speaker 1: If Yannis is able, you know, it does get traded,
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Speaker 1: then we'll have an emergency type podcast. But overall, we're
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Speaker 1: just gonna kinda kind of judge how the market goes,
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Speaker 1: because you know, it's not like a wind and dining
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Speaker 1: these free agents type offseason like it normally is. I
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Speaker 1: think it's Brooklyn that has real money that they could
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Speaker 1: sign somebody, but a lot of these have to be
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Speaker 1: signed in trades, so we're probably not gonna go too deep.
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Speaker 1: We kind of know who's getting picked first and second.
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Speaker 1: All of the second there has been a little little
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Speaker 1: funkiness there, but I still think he'll go second. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: co host Marshall. How are you doing, sir, Hope everybody's
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Speaker 1: everything's going on?
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Speaker 3: Are good?
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Speaker 1: Obviously we we didn't get to uh hang out too much,
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Speaker 1: but you were back in the in the motherland of Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, dude, it was pretty hot
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Speaker 1: this this weekend. It was like ninety six, which is
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Speaker 1: hot for us.
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Speaker 4: But how you doing, my friend, Yeah, we had just
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Speaker 4: uh has a bad time, but uh not too bad, man.
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Speaker 4: I can get sleeped out because NBA playoffs are over,
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Speaker 4: NHL playoffs are over. It's a I know the British Open,
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Speaker 4: which I love watching. That's an early morning all the
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Speaker 4: couch deal, so I can catch up on the sleep
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Speaker 4: and reduce by blood pressure and stress level. I did
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Speaker 4: have the Warriors mane deeper, but the Oilers took out
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Speaker 4: maybe probably a couple of weeks out of my life.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, but hey we're I'm okay, and uh, you know,
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Speaker 4: for just looking back on it now, we got a
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Speaker 4: really good finals. Uh yeah, I know that at the
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Speaker 4: at the start of the mainstream media is like, ah,
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Speaker 4: it's okay, see it's Indiana. Like yeah, but even if
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Speaker 4: you're a middle like middle of the road sports fan,
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Speaker 4: or even like a low level basketball fan, like if
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Speaker 4: you didn't like the series, like I would love to
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Speaker 4: hear why, because that that was it went seven. Uh
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Speaker 4: there was highs, there was lows. Uh, there wasn't I
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Speaker 4: would say any like bad blood. There wasn't like crazy
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Speaker 4: drama of the court. But it was just like good basketball.
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Speaker 4: And if you don't like that, I think you're you're
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Speaker 4: you're nitpicking or maybe that they maybe they beat a
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Speaker 4: team that's your teams. I mean, that's why. But as
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Speaker 4: just a irrational basketball fan, Chris there really wasn't much
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Speaker 4: to bitch about it. It was just a fun series. And uh,
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Speaker 4: I never really thought about this, but that Chris Vernon,
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Speaker 4: who has listened to the guy from Memphis man a
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Speaker 4: good point. Yeah, he's like, I think there's something be
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Speaker 4: said for uh, middle market to lower market home base,
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Speaker 4: home court fan and the whole court. Look, because I
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Speaker 4: thought about it. He makes you point is about how
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Speaker 4: the if you like for the New York Knicks h
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Speaker 4: where played, I think to get a Knicks ticket when
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Speaker 4: it was nix Pacers, to get like upper level seats,
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Speaker 4: it was like sixty seven hundred dollars to get in
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Speaker 4: the door.
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Speaker 3: And as the series go on it dranks more too. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And but then for okay See in Indiana, you're like, God,
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Speaker 4: these fan base are great. You don't now, I'm sure
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Speaker 4: the prices go high, but you don't get the the
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Speaker 4: okay See and Pacer fans. You get the fans who
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Speaker 4: pretty much been there all year. Now, yes, it's gonna
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Speaker 4: go up somebody, but you're not gonna price You're not
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Speaker 4: gonna price out a blue collar fail like you and
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Speaker 4: I would be if we want to go, you could
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Speaker 4: still afford it, sir, there's somebody said for like, I
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Speaker 4: think there's that kind of like huh, Like you're not
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Speaker 4: gonna make a Pacers fan pay seven hundred dollars for
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Speaker 4: doles leave. You're gonna have Pacers fans who were maybe
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Speaker 4: have take a little boy of the paycheck. But that
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Speaker 4: just that point is like shit, that's kind of right,
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Speaker 4: Like you aren't gonna have the rout your fan basis
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Speaker 4: because you're not price Scholengium as much as you can to.
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Speaker 4: That just leads to a better environment, which we definitely had.
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Speaker 4: Like I know, you can't really tell unless you're there,
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Speaker 4: but when you heard like the defensive chants from both
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Speaker 4: stadium fans in the series, it was loud, and I
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Speaker 4: think that's just fun for basketball too. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 4: say it's Oracle, and I think Oracle truly was blue collar.
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Speaker 1: You can tell from Oakland to San Francisco totally different,
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Speaker 1: you know, which.
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Speaker 4: Completely priced off the Oakland fans. How you have this
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Speaker 4: ree which is the safe So I just hit me,
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Speaker 4: I'm like, you know that makes sense and good for
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Speaker 4: those fan bases because you know it is where you
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Speaker 4: gets small markets, but an overall fans, players coaches it
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Speaker 4: was a pretty good series.
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Speaker 1: It was very good, and obviously you gotta put standard
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Speaker 1: of living in how much you make, you know, per
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Speaker 1: per year into those you know, the city rents higher,
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Speaker 1: but you're making more money. So but yeah, that is
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Speaker 1: a good point. And there are a lot more middle markets,
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Speaker 1: mid sized markets than people think, Minneapolis being one of those.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of funky though that you know, if
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Speaker 1: you put if you just go NBA TV market, if
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Speaker 1: you put them together, it was still the fourteenth ring market,
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Speaker 1: you know, so that is pretty low. Although Indiana actually
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Speaker 1: isn't as low as you think for overall TV sports
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Speaker 1: market because they have the Colts and you know they're
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Speaker 1: they have the pay or not the Pacers, but the Hoosiers. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that gets going. But overall they're not as low as
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Speaker 1: you think. I think they're in the thirties. But but
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Speaker 1: obviously Oklahoma City they're really low. So we knew that
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Speaker 1: it was going to be a rating struggle. But overall,
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Speaker 1: I guess said, it was good basketball and it is
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Speaker 1: kind of funny, and that's why it's a lot of
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Speaker 1: just casual fans. You know, they always talk about, oh,
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Speaker 1: the conspiracies for the big market and It's like, Man,
8:11
Speaker 1: the NBA.
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Speaker 3: Has been fucking that up for a while.
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Speaker 1: Then if there's a conspiracy, because they would have taken
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Speaker 1: the Nick we talked about the Nicks and the Timberwolves,
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Speaker 1: that would have.
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Speaker 3: Popped the fuck off, you know.
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Speaker 1: Soyeh all, these conspiracies only work when it finally kind
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Speaker 1: of coordinates after. You know, if you throw ten ideas
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Speaker 1: against the wall, one stick, see it's a conspiracy. What
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Speaker 1: about those other nine fucking things you're talking about? You know,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like the Dallas thing. How they said
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Speaker 1: they're gonna move them to Vegas. That's why they allowed
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Speaker 1: this trade to go. They weren't saying they're gonna get
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Speaker 1: the first pick. Now if they no one said that, right, Marshall,
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Speaker 1: No one said that. So if they would have said
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Speaker 1: they get the first pick, then at least your conspiracy
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Speaker 1: lines up. Meanwhile, they're not gonna They're not gonna move Dallas,
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Speaker 1: a large market out of out of the NBA. It
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Speaker 1: makes no fucking sense.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 4: Well, I've I've heard that the older the odor of
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Speaker 4: the olds Vegas, this MAVs out is a huge like
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Speaker 4: Casito person, And that's why you want to go to Vegas.
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Speaker 4: So that actually sounds legible, Like it's like that woman,
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Speaker 4: if she can't get a casino Dallas, she would move
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Speaker 4: them to Vegas. That could be possible. But that's not
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Speaker 4: a conspiracy. That's just a with her background, that could
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Speaker 4: be possible. I'm not saying it's likely, but that sounds
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Speaker 4: like a logical down the road idea. If Dallas could
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Speaker 4: get casito like that, that's not like a conspiracy. That's
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Speaker 4: just with her background and wanted to have a casito
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Speaker 4: and Dallas being anti gably like that, that could logistically happen.
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Speaker 1: I got news for it. They're not moving now the
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Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks out of Dallas. Probably not, Yeah, because they're
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Speaker 1: about to announce Vegas and Seattle as the new teams.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, which can't sol there'd be no new team.
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a new they would say, hey, Dallas
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Speaker 1: is moving to Vegas. That's what it would be new team.
10:02
Speaker 1: There wouldn't be they wouldn't. That's not adding a team.
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Speaker 4: That's maybe Dallas gets the casito or take way everything
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Speaker 4: else their state. Why not add something for.
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Speaker 6: I'll stop on that, yeah, because then we're going to
10:16
Speaker 6: get in the guns and all this stuff, and you know,
10:19
Speaker 6: but anyway, yeah, I just think, uh, good ball is
10:26
Speaker 6: good ball, and and and people that watch it, like,
10:29
Speaker 6: you can't look at It's like boxing, do you can't
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Speaker 6: look at casual fans, Like casual fans are always going
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Speaker 6: to be casual fans, you know, after a while, you know,
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Speaker 6: Golden State obviously, when it's your squad, that's different.
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Speaker 1: But after a while you do get sick of the
10:44
Speaker 1: same team's winning, right But the casual fans someone will
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Speaker 1: even say it, but clearly the ratings tell you that
10:53
Speaker 1: they're not sick of it, you know, because you know,
10:56
Speaker 1: and I do think that ultimately this seven year run
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Speaker 1: creates a lot because some of those teams still exist
11:05
Speaker 1: to an extent anyway, and I do think those will
11:09
Speaker 1: make for good either opponents for a name team, a
11:15
Speaker 1: big market team, you know, to say, oh, this is
11:18
Speaker 1: if the Knicks make it next year, Oklahoma City's going
11:21
Speaker 1: for their second repeat.
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Speaker 3: You know, then all of a sudden.
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Speaker 1: That because these are still highly rated games that a
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Speaker 1: lot of casual see, even if they're low ratings, you know,
11:31
Speaker 1: still ten million people seeing it, you know, So I
11:34
Speaker 1: think that that is kind of interesting to I think
11:37
Speaker 1: ultimately it could Liken Aunt Edwards like him going against
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Speaker 1: these quality opponents, you know, does add up to help
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Speaker 1: turn the page in the coming years.
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Speaker 3: But if you look at Okay, see they.
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Speaker 1: Have everyone under contract next year and we know the
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Speaker 1: picks that they have, So if any team can keep
12:02
Speaker 1: it at least for one to two years, they definitely have.
12:06
Speaker 1: You know, now someone's gonna get paid in probably too much,
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Speaker 1: and maybe they'd make a trade at some point, but
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Speaker 1: they barring injury, which we'll get into, it feels like
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Speaker 1: they have the best shot. But you could say the
12:19
Speaker 1: same thing about Boston last year. They had a deep team,
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Speaker 1: no one was gonna beat them, and it looked like
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Speaker 1: they're done.
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Speaker 3: Now they didn't make it this year and they're done.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna win the team next year,
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Speaker 1: so you never really know how that goes. Real quick,
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Speaker 1: back to game six, real quick from Thursday, when it
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Speaker 1: was like ten to two or twelve to two. I
12:43
Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, that's a great start for OKAC, Like,
12:47
Speaker 1: holy shit, that was quick. You know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: these games have kind of you know, slowly got going.
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Speaker 1: They've been actually low scoring for the first six minutes.
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Speaker 1: A lot of them, you know, and I was thinking, shit, dude,
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Speaker 1: like that was that was a quick little lead. But
13:05
Speaker 1: then and.
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Speaker 3: Nate Smith had two falls pretty early.
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Speaker 1: But then the Pacers, you know, make a couple of
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Speaker 1: runs and you know, they they they get back that
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Speaker 1: they they get into the game real quick.
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Speaker 3: Like like like it was nothing.
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Speaker 1: They started out, oh of eight from the field, and
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Speaker 1: then the next thing, you know, they were eight of
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Speaker 1: ten from the field. And in that first quarter, okay,
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Speaker 1: see had five turnovers, topping was going off. There was
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Speaker 1: another seven zero run and overall they ended up getting
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Speaker 1: their largest lead of the series, and it was a
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Speaker 1: seventeen to two run over a five minute stretch that
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Speaker 1: made it fifty one to thirty five. And you know,
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Speaker 1: there really wasn't much else to comment about that.
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Speaker 3: You know, they just they took it.
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Speaker 1: They took it away, and it was it was a
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Speaker 1: wide variety once again, the Pacers, a wide variety of
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Speaker 1: folks chipping in. You know, Siakam had like eighteen and
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Speaker 1: sixteen TJ like people were, you know, people were going
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Speaker 1: nuts like a variety of ways. And Halliburton was like
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Speaker 1: kind of looking kind of stiff and looking hurt. In
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Speaker 1: the first part of the game six, and then you
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Speaker 1: saw him warming up and they didn't even have need
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Speaker 1: to have a lot of their starters down the stretch
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Speaker 1: of that game. So, you know, coming off that game, Marshall,
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Speaker 1: were what were what was your minds that? I mean,
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Speaker 1: obviously you're happy as a game seven, but what were
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Speaker 1: going into this thing? Were you like, now all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden? My point is all the pressure was all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden on ok See and they hadn't been
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Speaker 1: shooting well at all from three you know, and I'm thinking, dude.
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Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't put any money on the game.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll admit that, but I kind of was leave
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Speaker 1: leaning Indiana going into that game by the time we
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Speaker 1: got to game seven, even though both of us you know,
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Speaker 1: ultimately picked the okay See originally. But what are your
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Speaker 1: thoughts coming out of that game where once again it
15:14
Speaker 1: was like a blowout and there'd only been two games
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Speaker 1: where they were really just like that. You know, what
15:19
Speaker 1: were your thoughts though heading in to you know, last
15:22
Speaker 1: night's game. Uh.
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Speaker 4: I think to summarize the best I can ever think
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Speaker 4: about this is that this okay See team had a
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Speaker 4: they were an elite regular season team but not an
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Speaker 4: elite playoff team, Like I will put them up there
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Speaker 4: on a level with like some of my Golden State
15:42
Speaker 4: teams are, like, I don't eat what Lebron did. Like,
15:46
Speaker 4: this team was a very very highly talented regular season team.
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Speaker 4: But if they want to remember as one of the
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Speaker 4: better ones, like the one of the better ones wins
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Speaker 4: that game six, like and I was, I honestly was surprised.
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Speaker 3: Then probably don't lose game one either.
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Speaker 4: True and to see so I was actually at a
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Speaker 4: play flight hole that day and I turned on it
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Speaker 4: was like thirty two to thirty three, and I was like, oh, okay, okay,
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Speaker 4: see just hang in there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Then they went on a thirty to nine run and
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Speaker 4: again tip of the cap. Okay, see what this title?
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Speaker 4: But like the regular season doesn't match their portfolio of
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Speaker 4: the playoffs.
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Speaker 7: So the analytics people need to calm them down a
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Speaker 7: little bit on this team, is what you're saying. Yeah,
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Speaker 7: or even just after rankings, analytically we've heard such stuff
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Speaker 7: about them.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's like I hear you. However, you know.
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Speaker 4: Well, and I and I do think it goes to
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Speaker 4: show because there's always been that theory of like you know, uh,
16:46
Speaker 4: you gotta you gotta be a bore an older team.
16:48
Speaker 4: They're they're they're a young team by age rubbers, and
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Speaker 4: like again they they got a ring. There's nothing.
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Speaker 3: Right, second youngest team to win one. Yeah, in the
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Speaker 3: finals or something.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I just there's a couple of where it's like, damn,
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Speaker 4: like they're they're hanging in there, because analytically, the Pacers
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Speaker 4: really had no business hay with them in the whole
17:09
Speaker 4: series if you look from a number standpoint. Yeah, but
17:13
Speaker 4: again it's a super.
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Speaker 3: Large underdog at the beginning.
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Speaker 4: If we talked about this, takers out of the road.
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Speaker 4: I honestly I think I'll remember the Pacers more than Okay, see,
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Speaker 4: just because of like they really were a rarity. I
17:25
Speaker 4: I heard they're the first ever team I know they
17:28
Speaker 4: didn't win it, but to take it to seven, Okay,
17:32
Speaker 4: there were not a single player average twenty points per
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Speaker 4: game of the series. Like I know, I'm saying, if
17:38
Speaker 4: the Pacers had won, they've been the first ever NBA
17:40
Speaker 4: team since ninety two to not have or ninety three
17:44
Speaker 4: when they or in the mid nineties when they started
17:46
Speaker 4: keeping the stat but player did not because obviously Jordan's
17:49
Speaker 4: but since he didn't average twenty, no, just under, he
17:54
Speaker 4: had like nineteen.
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Speaker 3: Points playoffs, not for this series.
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Speaker 4: Okay, it's obviously really close. But yeah, like they were,
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Speaker 4: and honestly they had the better coach. But look, I
18:05
Speaker 4: just think that's a tip of the captain at the
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Speaker 4: end of that night to come out a little bit slow.
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Speaker 4: But they put her on because I really did think,
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Speaker 4: oh and we said the last show, Albert's is banked up. Dude,
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Speaker 4: okay See, he's got it right, Like I really, Okay,
18:17
Speaker 4: obviously they're gonna they're gonna put a fight, but you're
18:20
Speaker 4: the better team and you should be able to take
18:22
Speaker 4: care of business. I was really surprised with how dubbed
18:24
Speaker 4: it they looked, and then they kind of just bought
18:26
Speaker 4: the gas because going into halftime when it was like
18:29
Speaker 4: seventy to forty two, I believe it's like okay, like, dude,
18:32
Speaker 4: all right, we're going back to game seven. So I
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Speaker 4: was very surprised with that outcome. I really thought, okay
18:37
Speaker 4: See would have finished it, but it's just growing pains
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Speaker 4: her going through as a team, So that definitely surprised me.
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Speaker 4: I did bet okay See first half a Game six
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Speaker 4: and Game seven, so screw them for sure. Yeah, I
18:51
Speaker 4: last night was anyways, but uh yeah, I just a
18:54
Speaker 4: tip of the cap to the Pacers, and I truly
18:57
Speaker 4: think that again, I'm gonna be talking about the guys
19:00
Speaker 4: have lost. But what Carlisle did for that matchupble stress
19:04
Speaker 4: because clearly, okay, See has the better players, like from
19:08
Speaker 4: a higher level standpoint, but yeah, but they they talked
19:11
Speaker 4: about and I don't know like exzuls this, but I
19:13
Speaker 4: heard like ESPN about how they found a different way
19:16
Speaker 4: to attack Sga on his perimeter defensive like defensively, and
19:22
Speaker 4: it really took about his element. It's like dude who
19:24
Speaker 4: comes up like the dude's been doing it all year,
19:27
Speaker 4: So I just thought.
19:27
Speaker 3: That he's still points.
19:29
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I LM and he got but I
19:33
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, Yeah that's all that counts.
19:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Carlisle did a great job. But obviously
19:38
Speaker 4: Daniel Dagnoll's got a trophy dow too, So I'm just
19:41
Speaker 4: kind of torn. Like normally, I feel they when a
19:43
Speaker 4: team wins a championship, it's like, oh, we're gonna talk
19:46
Speaker 4: about that, which we are, but this is just such
19:49
Speaker 4: a uh a crazy story for the team that got
19:53
Speaker 4: second place, like it really was a true team, which
19:57
Speaker 4: you were almost literally never see that. That's the part
20:01
Speaker 4: that's kind of stuck in my head more so than okay,
20:03
Speaker 4: see what read like, yes they deserve pret the were
20:05
Speaker 4: the best team. SGA carried their masters in the first
20:07
Speaker 4: half last night, but it's like, yeah, the Pacers. I
20:10
Speaker 4: don't think we'll see a team like the Pacers in
20:12
Speaker 4: the finals again quite a while. Just for of the
20:15
Speaker 4: hodgepodg wait all tied together, I think the spyway to view.
20:18
Speaker 1: It well, and how they got there, you know, like, yeah, series,
20:22
Speaker 1: they had to do some crazy shit, you know, And
20:26
Speaker 1: and you're right, like as much as we could say, oh,
20:29
Speaker 1: Haliburton Game one or Haliburton against the Knicks or you know,
20:33
Speaker 1: that is true, but we always stated but it was
20:36
Speaker 1: these two dudes that got him to that point and
20:39
Speaker 1: then he took them home.
20:40
Speaker 3: And so you're right, they needed everybody and it was
20:44
Speaker 3: up in the air. You could probably say about three
20:47
Speaker 3: guys were up in the air for MVP. If Indiana
20:49
Speaker 3: I thought it can't would it came down to game seven?
20:52
Speaker 4: Yeah?
20:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is me who had a Halliburton bet
20:55
Speaker 1: on the MVP plus nineteen or nine death. So he
21:00
Speaker 1: tells you how much of an underdog they were when
21:03
Speaker 1: Halliburton was a plus nine to ten for MVP.
21:07
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I had to make that.
21:09
Speaker 4: Bet and SGA by six before the series started.
21:13
Speaker 1: Had to make it, you know, because it was like
21:15
Speaker 1: why not you know, don't get me wrong. When he
21:17
Speaker 1: hit those three threes, He's like, oh shit, this is
21:20
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
21:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
21:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, But but.
21:22
Speaker 1: I'm the type that I don't put enough money down
21:25
Speaker 1: to where I'm right when Halliburton goes.
21:28
Speaker 3: Down, I'm thinking of him. You know, I'm not out
21:31
Speaker 3: there on Twitter like my.
21:32
Speaker 1: God, a pushy well you go down, and you know
21:36
Speaker 1: all that shit, Like I don't I worry about my bet.
21:39
Speaker 3: You want to you play bets, you want to win
21:41
Speaker 3: him obviously.
21:41
Speaker 1: Yes, I never put down enough money to where it
21:46
Speaker 1: ruins the whole fucking game for me.
21:48
Speaker 3: You know that type of thing. Yeah, yeah, And I
21:51
Speaker 3: just felt so bad for Haliburton when you when he
21:53
Speaker 3: went down, and and honestly, like.
21:57
Speaker 1: We knew, you know, generally game sevens, especially in the finals,
22:00
Speaker 1: but game sevens can be a rock fight.
22:02
Speaker 3: That's usually what they are.
22:04
Speaker 1: You used to each other so many games now, and
22:08
Speaker 1: it was a rock fight, you know, the first chunk
22:10
Speaker 1: of pretty much whole game until they got it going.
22:13
Speaker 3: But you know, Indiana, the ball movement.
22:18
Speaker 1: In the first half compared to the second half clearly
22:22
Speaker 1: was an issue.
22:23
Speaker 3: But that's I think that's where Haliburton comes in. Yeah, people,
22:27
Speaker 3: look when we talk.
22:28
Speaker 1: About you know, analytics, and well he's only averaging nineteen points.
22:33
Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah, I hear you.
22:34
Speaker 1: But you see how he got off the ball quick
22:37
Speaker 1: and now it's boom boom boom, and you know, and
22:39
Speaker 1: then he's more open when he gets the ball back.
22:41
Speaker 1: You know.
22:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw that, you know, so.
22:45
Speaker 1: You know, you never know what happens obviously, but the
22:50
Speaker 1: way even okay, so it's it's basically pretty much tied
22:53
Speaker 1: that half. It's close, right, and they kind of they
22:57
Speaker 1: hung with him when Haliburton went off right away, they
23:01
Speaker 1: go in the locker room, come out in the third
23:04
Speaker 1: quarter's like okay, okay, see he's gonna make a little run.
23:07
Speaker 3: But then Indiana came back, make a little run, came back,
23:11
Speaker 3: make it.
23:11
Speaker 1: And then finally those runs in the comebacks started to
23:15
Speaker 1: become you know a little wider, and then pretty sure,
23:18
Speaker 1: and it's seven and nine. Oh we're double digits. Oh
23:21
Speaker 1: it's the largest, you know. And then it was like, okay, dude,
23:24
Speaker 1: this is And in the fourth quarter they got it
23:26
Speaker 1: to twenty.
23:27
Speaker 3: Credit to Indiana. They did. They were they were trying, dude.
23:32
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of them had bad games, some
23:34
Speaker 1: of them were playing awesome.
23:36
Speaker 3: They they cut it to ten two separate times.
23:39
Speaker 1: You know, if Halliburton's out there, we you know, with
23:42
Speaker 1: five minutes left, we may have a different mentality of
23:44
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Then it is. It is gonna go
23:48
Speaker 1: down on you just never know what would have happened
23:50
Speaker 1: either way.
23:51
Speaker 4: You can't.
23:52
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be one of those people that just
23:53
Speaker 1: given the end of the game either though, you know
23:55
Speaker 1: what I mean, I don't like that either because it's like.
23:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you.
23:58
Speaker 1: But it didn't come down to two points, you know.
24:01
Speaker 1: So it did suck that Haliburn got hurt. It did
24:06
Speaker 1: take a little bit out of it. But you know,
24:08
Speaker 1: we knew back to those TV ratings, we knew this
24:11
Speaker 1: was going to be a low one. However, it averaged
24:15
Speaker 1: sixteen million and peaked at nineteen point three, making it
24:19
Speaker 1: the largest finals game rating since the Toronto Golden State
24:27
Speaker 1: Serious Sins twenty nineteen. And that's with a game that
24:33
Speaker 1: was out of hand in the fourth quarter, especially to
24:35
Speaker 1: a casual fan, you know, casual fantasies.
24:38
Speaker 3: Twenty they're probably out, you know.
24:41
Speaker 4: So just to.
24:42
Speaker 1: Matche, I mean, honestly, if Haliburn was in there and
24:45
Speaker 1: it was closer, you never know, it could have it
24:47
Speaker 1: could have spiked more.
24:49
Speaker 3: But overall, that will.
24:51
Speaker 1: Allow the first six games not to go away ratings wise,
24:57
Speaker 1: but it won't hurt the overall playoff rate. Now, the
25:00
Speaker 1: overall playoff ratings are up now from last year, no
25:04
Speaker 1: matter how bad the finals ratings were, because of this booster.
25:07
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it's kind of cool.
25:10
Speaker 1: It was a great series, and I agree with you
25:13
Speaker 1: about what you said. As long as okay See doesn't
25:16
Speaker 1: win one next year. If they win next year, then
25:20
Speaker 1: I think that Indiana team, man, that'll be cool.
25:23
Speaker 3: It'll be a great story. It'll really remind me.
25:26
Speaker 1: Of if oka See let's say wins three out of
25:30
Speaker 1: the next five years or something like that.
25:31
Speaker 3: Let's just say or two.
25:33
Speaker 1: I should say two out of the next four, so
25:34
Speaker 1: i'd be three out of five I'm not going to talk.
25:37
Speaker 3: About three beats and shit like that. It's just so rare.
25:40
Speaker 1: But it'll kind of remind me of that Indiana team
25:44
Speaker 1: that pushed Jordan and them deep to Game seven, were
25:47
Speaker 1: up three to two. You know, that's kind of what
25:50
Speaker 1: it reminds me of, or.
25:54
Speaker 3: Different. They didn't get to be in the finals.
25:56
Speaker 5: But.
25:58
Speaker 1: You know, the Malice and the Palace Us. The Pacers
26:01
Speaker 1: had the best team that year. You know, most people
26:04
Speaker 1: think if they're healthy, they're winning the chip.
26:07
Speaker 3: But obviously, you know, when you got a guy.
26:09
Speaker 1: Suspended for sixty games or whatever, and O'Neil said, you know,
26:12
Speaker 1: it just fell apart on him. But overall, it really
26:15
Speaker 1: will come down to next year how much that Indiana
26:19
Speaker 1: team I.
26:20
Speaker 3: Think will be remembered.
26:21
Speaker 1: But I think for the hardcore fans, you just can't
26:26
Speaker 1: good luck trying to win four game winners or you know,
26:29
Speaker 1: each series you have a game winner. Yeah, luck to you,
26:33
Speaker 1: you know, and lucky if you can find one that
26:35
Speaker 1: bounces around and they go, you know, like they's just so.
26:40
Speaker 3: The odds of that Milwaukee game. For them to lose
26:43
Speaker 3: that game is just like what you know, like what's
26:47
Speaker 3: going on? You know, so You're right about the Pacers,
26:49
Speaker 3: squad man.
26:50
Speaker 1: They were fun and okay, see, you know the home
26:53
Speaker 1: team coming into it fifteen and four at home.
26:56
Speaker 3: In game sevens you know, it just.
27:01
Speaker 1: Wasn't gonna be their night. You never know what the hell, Burton,
27:04
Speaker 1: but I gotta give them credit. They kept fighting like
27:07
Speaker 1: the Pacer team that we know they are. You know.
27:10
Speaker 4: The only kind of like one takeway I heard from
27:13
Speaker 4: like different shows that hell he recognized myself last night
27:16
Speaker 4: was like that first half. Okay, see, like sometimes makes
27:20
Speaker 4: you wonder like they need a point guard. Like they
27:23
Speaker 4: were four for twenty on threes in the first half,
27:27
Speaker 4: and there are so many times this came down to
27:28
Speaker 4: jack threes, but they're not a good three point shooting team,
27:30
Speaker 4: like I really like, I mean, I give India had
27:33
Speaker 4: a credit for hitting there in the first half last night,
27:35
Speaker 4: keeping it close, but like I think that was really
27:37
Speaker 4: word to do so Indiana or Okay, so you said, hey, Dorts,
27:41
Speaker 4: open chuck of three. Hey Chet's open chugg of three,
27:43
Speaker 4: like you're trying to win game seven at home and yeah,
27:47
Speaker 4: and that's the thing I've heard is that like Dagg know, well,
27:52
Speaker 4: like sometimes like the only times everyone set plays is
27:54
Speaker 4: when they have a time out. I just I wonder
27:58
Speaker 4: and again, this this is a scary part. Just to flip.
28:01
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is like, if they do get a
28:03
Speaker 4: point guard or they have more of a constructive offense,
28:06
Speaker 4: how good can they be? Holy shit? It's a quick then.
28:09
Speaker 4: But there really was like there was no It almost
28:13
Speaker 4: felt like the way okay, see played the first half.
28:16
Speaker 1: They those were wide open shots too. Yeah, it's like
28:20
Speaker 1: you can have them because you're not going to hit them.
28:22
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was almost just like they felt like they
28:24
Speaker 4: were just kind of playing like willy nilly, like, oh,
28:26
Speaker 4: I'm man in jack three, you jack three, uster three one,
28:29
Speaker 4: you're four for twenty. It's like damn and they and
28:31
Speaker 4: then the pacers one of the first half. So yeah,
28:33
Speaker 4: if you're in the end, you're like, okay, yeah, I
28:36
Speaker 4: just I really the third quarter came.
28:38
Speaker 3: And they start hitting those threes a little bit.
28:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they get a little swaggled, which is true.
28:42
Speaker 4: Yeah obviously half Yeah, and that the ball pressure was
28:47
Speaker 4: a law. I will say, Uh, offensively, they do make
28:50
Speaker 4: you shake your read. But defensively, yeah, they're they They're
28:53
Speaker 4: one of the better defense I've seen a lot in
28:56
Speaker 4: my NBA fandom as a fan, as a whole team,
28:58
Speaker 4: they are maybe not quite there yet, but defensive wise,
29:01
Speaker 4: that was an impressive architect what they did the whole year.
29:04
Speaker 1: So I will get really rebounded from a poor series
29:08
Speaker 1: in that game too.
29:09
Speaker 3: He played pretty game.
29:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:12
Speaker 4: So, I mean, obviously, if if Halbert stays healthy, Hudo,
29:15
Speaker 4: maybe maybe the Patrin who you know, it's a Hoodos part,
29:19
Speaker 4: but that but that is the one that's like the
29:22
Speaker 4: father time the injury. But like almost every year for
29:26
Speaker 4: the past ten years, next time we do a Strow repeat,
29:29
Speaker 4: it is an injury has almost indicated so dramatically for
29:33
Speaker 4: the past years.
29:34
Speaker 1: Who with the star fucking injuries you know, I don't.
29:37
Speaker 1: It's not just here and there.
29:39
Speaker 4: You know, it's the guy you know, yeah, multiple guys.
29:44
Speaker 4: It seems like for the past couple of years, it's like,
29:46
Speaker 4: you know, the high profile. Yes, yeah, so obviously sometimes
29:50
Speaker 4: it hurts you, sometimes it helps you. Uh yeah, now again,
29:55
Speaker 4: SGA still could easily won that game for his boys,
29:57
Speaker 4: for sure, But Halibert, I I don't. I don't think
30:00
Speaker 4: that game ever gets to a twenty point spread, probably right, Yeah, So,
30:04
Speaker 4: but if you're an Okay, see fan to flip my
30:07
Speaker 4: script for a moment here of positivity.
30:09
Speaker 1: Hey, don't go to walking too much here, because you know,
30:12
Speaker 1: I see a yellow real quick.
30:14
Speaker 4: Uh okay, yeah, I just uh, they're super young, Like
30:19
Speaker 4: I know that that Jalen Williams dropped a forty piece
30:23
Speaker 4: and then he was a minus forty, which I don't
30:25
Speaker 4: know if that's ever happened in NBA history to go
30:27
Speaker 4: drop forty to b a mis forty. But yeah, so
30:30
Speaker 4: you can't say, like and like door, why you shoot
30:32
Speaker 4: these trees with the rainball, Like the ball leaves the
30:34
Speaker 4: screen like chet, some high and lows like yeah, if
30:37
Speaker 4: they do keep this core together, I do think then
30:39
Speaker 4: you could have this chat down the road of hey,
30:41
Speaker 4: maybe this is a game where they do not loose
30:44
Speaker 4: the timberwles by like forty two points, or Memphis doesn't
30:47
Speaker 4: run them out the gym with John bus Berg is hurt.
30:50
Speaker 4: So I think the potential is there to close.
30:52
Speaker 3: Out game six?
30:53
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, could I could I down the road?
30:56
Speaker 4: I hope we were doing this podcast over five six years. Hey,
30:58
Speaker 4: look at how this team's progress. They're not there yet,
31:00
Speaker 4: but you do have an extraordinarily young team which Pranke's
31:03
Speaker 4: plays west of those series with longer and that if
31:06
Speaker 4: they do keep three to four guys together, you know whatever,
31:10
Speaker 4: then you could see like four to five years like
31:12
Speaker 4: oh ship, Like dude, this team is now scary. That's
31:16
Speaker 4: that baturation which we could see, which would be bad
31:18
Speaker 4: for a lot of the teams. I like the teams
31:21
Speaker 4: you like that. That could be an oh like damn,
31:23
Speaker 4: like you guys got a ring that maybe not your
31:26
Speaker 4: obviously your highest level of peaking team energy. Yet so
31:29
Speaker 4: their their potentials is dangerous because I do think there's
31:32
Speaker 4: a lot of guys even if that okay, see bench
31:35
Speaker 4: or younger players. I don't know them as well, but
31:37
Speaker 4: they're they're part of that core. They have a pretty
31:39
Speaker 4: deep core of players. And even if you get playing
31:43
Speaker 4: either you know, yeah, so I will be curious see
31:47
Speaker 4: how they progress as a team because for the rest
31:49
Speaker 4: of you don't want that to happen. But that is
31:51
Speaker 4: scary obviously the SGA, he's not terribly old, like he's
31:54
Speaker 4: that dude's probably not going away for a long time.
31:57
Speaker 4: It's okay, you not like.
31:59
Speaker 3: How he plays all you want, but yeah, that's mine.
32:02
Speaker 4: He's here though, you know, yes, he was a people.
32:04
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what though his last night the first
32:08
Speaker 4: half he was hit his elbow jumpers. The rest of
32:11
Speaker 4: his team was the like see a headlights? They were
32:13
Speaker 4: jack of threes. They don't what the fuck do if
32:15
Speaker 4: SGA had an off night last night the first half
32:17
Speaker 4: pace was probably up tedded half and they were talking
32:19
Speaker 4: at different story right now at our show.
32:21
Speaker 1: True, very true, that's a good point. And then you know,
32:26
Speaker 1: just to go off some of the stuff we talked
32:28
Speaker 1: about the media last year or last last year, last
32:33
Speaker 1: last episode, like this week. So the game's about so
32:39
Speaker 1: instead of breaking down the game, Marshall, you know you're
32:43
Speaker 1: japan A Smith talking about you know, Perkins is irritating me,
32:47
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why. It's like, dude, I don't
32:49
Speaker 1: give a shit about your guys. Are why you arguing?
32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah you did have a debate, but it's all everyone
32:57
Speaker 1: was making their case of who's gonna win, you know,
33:00
Speaker 1: but there's no point in freaking the fuck out where
33:02
Speaker 1: Why do you have to make it about yourself?
33:04
Speaker 3: Then I'm not done.
33:06
Speaker 1: Then Gilbert Arenas, who damn good talent, watched him at
33:14
Speaker 1: Zona high level talent, you know, made a mistake you know, yeah,
33:21
Speaker 1: dumb mistake. But as once again as a podcaster, Metior,
33:28
Speaker 1: he's just garbage, dude.
33:30
Speaker 5: Yeah.
33:31
Speaker 1: He came up there and said, I quote the one
33:35
Speaker 1: who's leading the team, that ring counts the second option ring.
33:40
Speaker 3: No one respects it.
33:42
Speaker 1: So and Eddie Johnson on Twitter said, so, no one
33:48
Speaker 1: respected Kareem, no one respected Kyrie with Brown, he won
33:55
Speaker 1: the MVP last year. He outplayed Datum.
33:59
Speaker 3: Remember that.
34:02
Speaker 4: What I mean?
34:04
Speaker 1: Dude? Like, it's so yeah, because then you'd have to choose, okay,
34:08
Speaker 1: is it Durant or Curry? Then, so, so someone's discounting.
34:11
Speaker 1: Now the discount for Durant's different. That's now, that's a point.
34:15
Speaker 1: That's a point because of the backstory. You were up
34:19
Speaker 1: three to one and then you went to your enemy,
34:21
Speaker 1: and that's now. That's legit. That's legit. But to sit
34:24
Speaker 1: here and say all these two through tens don't it's like,
34:29
Speaker 1: what did you didn't win one?
34:30
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up? Does Charles Barkley?
34:32
Speaker 1: Is he a bad player?
34:34
Speaker 5: You know?
34:35
Speaker 3: I mean, fu Karl Malone, you know, to be honest
34:38
Speaker 3: with you on.
34:40
Speaker 1: Him? Is Stockton and have it? You like, come on, dude, yeah,
34:45
Speaker 1: so so Gary Payton and Kemp. They're just garbage. All
34:48
Speaker 1: these people are garbage. So that means Kobe the first
34:51
Speaker 1: couple of championship, Kobe's rings don't count. They only count
34:55
Speaker 1: when he won it and he.
34:56
Speaker 3: Was number one and not Paul, Like, what are we talking?
35:00
Speaker 1: You can't win it, So they should have just gave
35:02
Speaker 1: Jordan the ring when he went for sixty six against
35:04
Speaker 1: the Celtics even though they lost.
35:06
Speaker 3: You know, it's just the dumbest ship.
35:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm just so sick of this dumb ship.
35:13
Speaker 4: Well, and that could be part of the reason why
35:15
Speaker 4: raised are down too, is because you're not bringing more fans.
35:17
Speaker 4: Like I know that I'm at it's a ditch sport,
35:21
Speaker 4: but like I do feel like after the four Nations
35:23
Speaker 4: stay like the Sally Cuff this year, Like every year
35:26
Speaker 4: people say, oh, man, hockey's a fun sport, but I
35:28
Speaker 4: think that they do their broadcasting it's they're not. They're
35:31
Speaker 4: not having every other sport. They're trying to people sport
35:35
Speaker 4: in a fun way.
35:37
Speaker 3: And do they do this fucking crazy ship dude?
35:41
Speaker 1: Yes, And now that now there are only five guys
35:45
Speaker 1: on the court, you know, I understand. And if you
35:48
Speaker 1: can get a shock and cove E two out of
35:50
Speaker 1: the best five players. Yeah, you're gonna dominate. So I
35:54
Speaker 1: get why it's a different debate. But they never used
35:57
Speaker 1: this ring ship and never used to be a thing. Dude,
36:00
Speaker 1: it never used to be a big thing.
36:02
Speaker 4: But even their pregame shows like they're not bringing people
36:05
Speaker 4: in with the bands that they talk about five stories
36:09
Speaker 4: about the players that are good stories. You're just talking
36:11
Speaker 4: about basketball, but they don't do that.
36:15
Speaker 1: ESPN has really fucked up the sport they really are
36:18
Speaker 1: talking about in this next generation they're used to this. Yeah,
36:23
Speaker 1: so that's why on Twitter it's all fucked up, because
36:28
Speaker 1: I mean Twitter's fucked up for Vrietaryson, well, the NBA.
36:32
Speaker 1: It's like they're so singular dumb things that argue about
36:37
Speaker 1: that you're just taking a credit away from people that
36:40
Speaker 1: are held players like it's it is ridiculous.
36:43
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree.
36:44
Speaker 3: It is so bad now, But it does sound like
36:48
Speaker 3: Silver Adam Silver is going.
36:50
Speaker 1: To announce Las Vegas in Seattle are going to be
36:55
Speaker 1: the new teams, the new franchises.
36:58
Speaker 3: It does sound like that there are somers.
37:00
Speaker 1: Now, it's just rumors that they're they're it'll take a while,
37:05
Speaker 1: but there are rumors that they may decrease the amount
37:09
Speaker 1: of games, so we'll see and maybe it'd be closer
37:14
Speaker 1: to a European style. And that's another reason why these
37:20
Speaker 1: pros come over and they're more honed in early in
37:22
Speaker 1: their career because it's like college.
37:24
Speaker 3: You got two games a week and then you practice
37:27
Speaker 3: the rest and you don't have to go to school
37:29
Speaker 3: and ship like that. You know, professional basketball player, that's
37:33
Speaker 3: what you're doing.
37:34
Speaker 2: You know.
37:34
Speaker 1: If you want to take online courses, cool, that's up
37:37
Speaker 1: to you. But what we need out of you is
37:39
Speaker 1: to learn basketball, you know, so that would be interesting.
37:44
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean we're we're gonna it's gonna be interesting, man,
37:48
Speaker 1: because how many more years can we go where it's
37:51
Speaker 1: not a repeat or a with a new team? Like
37:54
Speaker 1: how many more? Now we'll probably get a new team
37:57
Speaker 1: out of the East, right.
37:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right, And I'm thinking it's gonna be If
38:03
Speaker 5: I were the Knicks, I just stay but don't do
38:06
Speaker 5: anything tips come back, you know, like, just don't do anything.
38:10
Speaker 4: Just keep a ticket for our landed with the East
38:15
Speaker 4: year it's gotta o. But I'm just they had a
38:18
Speaker 4: bay Yeah, yeah.
38:20
Speaker 1: People could and let's parley into that to these trades.
38:24
Speaker 1: You know, bame, we see the first round picks, it
38:26
Speaker 1: throws you the fuck off. And obviously the first round
38:29
Speaker 1: picks aren't what they used to be. As we see,
38:31
Speaker 1: we got to what another two man draft this year,
38:34
Speaker 1: even though it's deep. But it's not like if people
38:36
Speaker 1: are talking about the eighteenth pick and oh dude, this
38:38
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be there. It may turn out, but you know,
38:41
Speaker 1: the first rounds, who the fuck knows? You know, yes,
38:45
Speaker 1: it has been for a while.
38:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
38:49
Speaker 3: Then this is a good draft this year.
38:50
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything, but even a good draft, it's
38:52
Speaker 1: not like it's loaded, you know what I mean, where
38:54
Speaker 1: guys come in and just boom, they're ready to go,
38:57
Speaker 1: you know. So, but I do like they need shooting
39:02
Speaker 1: and that guy can go off. I like to train
39:04
Speaker 1: a lot. They already played nasty defense, but they need
39:07
Speaker 1: some shooters.
39:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that obviously at H Orlando, Yeah,
39:14
Speaker 4: they because that a lot of people are saying that
39:16
Speaker 4: Paula but Schero could be a top ten player within
39:18
Speaker 4: like two years. Like the stock on him is high.
39:21
Speaker 4: I don't know, but he's special, good man and their
39:24
Speaker 4: defense to that. So yeah, Adam Bain was helpful. I
39:27
Speaker 4: do think that the four first picks, it's like, yeah,
39:30
Speaker 4: I think ever since the Rudy go Bear trade, does
39:32
Speaker 4: he like I've just got throwing more pick?
39:34
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I.
39:36
Speaker 4: Don't think Memphis is desibate, isn't worth for a first
39:39
Speaker 4: round picks?
39:40
Speaker 1: But and remember Orlando, if a lot of them are theirs,
39:43
Speaker 1: I don't even remember how much are theirs or not true.
39:46
Speaker 1: But if you're good, you know, like the Teverros have been,
39:50
Speaker 1: those aren't great picks.
39:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're true.
39:54
Speaker 3: But there's still too many. It feels like, yeah, I
39:56
Speaker 3: know what you're saying.
39:57
Speaker 4: And then from the mephis standpoint just quickly like you know,
40:00
Speaker 4: because they're talking. I was listening to my guy and
40:02
Speaker 4: he was saying like he's like, we don't I don't
40:04
Speaker 4: want to blow it up because I like after the
40:07
Speaker 4: Desert Bay trade, win Horse or steven A said, I
40:09
Speaker 4: believe Windhorse like, oh is Memphis got blow it up?
40:12
Speaker 4: And their point of Memphis was no, because how did
40:16
Speaker 4: you go this year? The teams wanted to blow it
40:18
Speaker 4: up this year to get Cooper flag? Oh shit, you didn't.
40:22
Speaker 4: So that's hard. That's up. Now the odds for slim
40:25
Speaker 4: for Dallas this year. But to their point, and I
40:28
Speaker 4: need to should be a lot to a lot of
40:29
Speaker 4: teams points. Dallas was not supposed to get the first
40:32
Speaker 4: overall pick. So all those teams like the Wizards who
40:35
Speaker 4: were taking it this year, okay, like New or Leans
40:37
Speaker 4: taken it. You teams that take it this year were
40:40
Speaker 4: supposed to get Cooper flag, the Cooper fly sleepstikes went
40:42
Speaker 4: to the team we had a one point chance of
40:44
Speaker 4: doing it, which I think is good for the sport
40:46
Speaker 4: that because I do think the taking sucks. I do
40:49
Speaker 4: feel this year there's about four or five teams at
40:51
Speaker 4: the end of the year, like, dude, how many games
40:53
Speaker 4: can we lose? And that sucks for the sport in general.
40:56
Speaker 4: That fucks up seeding, that fucks up fans go to games.
40:58
Speaker 4: That's bad for kids. More bad thing too, you know.
41:02
Speaker 4: And in football, I mean, it's gonna get longer.
41:05
Speaker 1: But seventeen games, the last couple of games you're playing
41:07
Speaker 1: young players because you don't want to start and get hurt,
41:09
Speaker 1: but you can't make the playoffs.
41:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, different, you know, yeah different, you know, yeah, they
41:14
Speaker 4: taking stuff is bad so yeah.
41:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, we also got that Dallas, for instance,
41:20
Speaker 1: didn't and tried to win and they got. You know,
41:23
Speaker 1: the playoffs are right there for him, you know. So
41:26
Speaker 1: like the combination of the picks the way they do
41:30
Speaker 1: them now right, and also like the lottery, but also
41:33
Speaker 1: the playing. I think that combination is helping. Now you're
41:36
Speaker 1: still gonna have it, You're still gonna have it, but
41:39
Speaker 1: still it is it. I think that stuff makes people
41:43
Speaker 1: second guess, you know.
41:44
Speaker 4: So I do think that Orlando one Memphis could build
41:47
Speaker 4: off the jaw. Jared, what's your take on the Durrant trade?
41:50
Speaker 4: I think I think Memphis and Orlando both one, which
41:52
Speaker 4: is rare to say, because really a trades you and
41:54
Speaker 4: I would say, oh dude, someone got hosed. Like I
41:57
Speaker 4: think both were happy. Would would you agree with that?
41:59
Speaker 4: For a going the drafts because that is a lot
42:01
Speaker 4: of picks, and and.
42:02
Speaker 1: You know what, they may not even draft, they may
42:05
Speaker 1: they may send three of them someplace else, you know,
42:08
Speaker 1: so that they probably aren't gonna get like we sent
42:12
Speaker 1: all those away. Well guess what, you know, we had
42:15
Speaker 1: two first rounders last year, had two picks, and we
42:18
Speaker 1: have a first rounder because thank god Detroit got good. Yeah,
42:22
Speaker 1: because we thought that was gonna be a couple of years.
42:24
Speaker 1: But that is seventeenth. So even though we gave all
42:27
Speaker 1: those picks away, we had two first rounders.
42:30
Speaker 3: Now we had to get the second one.
42:31
Speaker 1: We did have to give, but we still managed to
42:34
Speaker 1: have two picks Dillingham and Shannon in the first Yeah,
42:39
Speaker 1: you know, and now maybe we're gonna get a point guard.
42:41
Speaker 1: Maybe we can use this pick that we got this year.
42:44
Speaker 1: You know that was in the town straight. So I
42:47
Speaker 1: do think that I think that Orlando is as a
42:51
Speaker 1: son of a bitch to play. You know, they're tough,
42:54
Speaker 1: they're a good team, but they get over the hump.
42:57
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this guy's gonna win a championship. No,
43:00
Speaker 1: but overall, you're right with all those with all those picks,
43:04
Speaker 1: I'd have to agree. I think it was they both
43:07
Speaker 1: won the trade. And then I I definitely think Houston
43:13
Speaker 1: won the trade considering Phoenix, like, was it five picks
43:19
Speaker 1: for Durant?
43:20
Speaker 3: How many guys?
43:22
Speaker 1: So no, no, no, I'm saying to get him, originally
43:25
Speaker 1: they had to give up a bunch of players.
43:27
Speaker 3: Cam Johnson, Bridges, was it Michel Bridges.
43:31
Speaker 4: Or believe I want to say yes that that does
43:34
Speaker 4: sound great.
43:34
Speaker 3: And they have to give a bunch of picks.
43:36
Speaker 1: So they weren't gonna get that back obviously, but considering
43:40
Speaker 1: having to do all that, and it didn't do ship
43:43
Speaker 1: to him or for them, but get swept by Minnesota.
43:48
Speaker 1: But anyway, and then like a couple of years ago
43:53
Speaker 1: they had a good run. Obviously, chunk of years ago
43:55
Speaker 1: they was in the finals before him. But you know,
44:00
Speaker 1: like Green had like I think one or two double
44:04
Speaker 1: digit games in that series.
44:06
Speaker 3: Like he he was.
44:07
Speaker 1: Bad and he wasn't.
44:10
Speaker 3: He wasn't, of course, I don't.
44:11
Speaker 1: You know, even then I was saying, don't jack a
44:13
Speaker 1: bunch of shots, but at least take some, dude, you know,
44:16
Speaker 1: you gotta take some Like it just seemed like he
44:20
Speaker 1: just go away and he was like shy to shoot then,
44:23
Speaker 1: and like, oh shit, I'm just gonna single digits it,
44:25
Speaker 1: you know, and it doesn't get like thirteen assists or something,
44:27
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
44:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought.
44:29
Speaker 1: Even though he's relatively young, I thought, given the talent
44:33
Speaker 1: around him, he should have played better. And so they're
44:36
Speaker 1: gonna move him regardless, I think. And now it's sounds
44:39
Speaker 1: I'm hearing things that they're gonna move them Phoenix.
44:43
Speaker 4: Is gonna movem oh okay, so I and.
44:47
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not true. And then Dylan Dilan Brooks man,
44:50
Speaker 1: people are kind of up all all over the place
44:53
Speaker 1: with him. You know.
44:54
Speaker 3: I think once he's on your team, you're like this guy.
44:57
Speaker 1: I kind of like this guy, you know, because he's
45:00
Speaker 1: to be in the dude's ear. He's gonna play defense
45:02
Speaker 1: every night. He's gonna come to play. He can't go
45:04
Speaker 1: off offensively at times. He's probably overpaid. So give to
45:12
Speaker 1: get only a first rounder with a tenth pick.
45:15
Speaker 3: So you got the tenth pick.
45:17
Speaker 1: You got a guy you were gonna try to trade,
45:20
Speaker 1: and then you got a solid defender and a three
45:22
Speaker 1: point guy. And I'm not saying bad, but when you
45:25
Speaker 1: have Van Fleet, Durant Thompson and you kept Jabbari Smith
45:31
Speaker 1: and they were gonna keep saying goom, but to keep
45:35
Speaker 1: Jabari Smith like that, dude, if you look at Durant
45:38
Speaker 1: Thompson Smith and saying gooon, that is a tall, long, linky,
45:43
Speaker 1: very athletic, very I'll move the ball, you know, just
45:47
Speaker 1: heads up players, dude. So I I think Houston won
45:52
Speaker 1: it pretty much, hands down. I think there was no
45:55
Speaker 1: winning the trade for for them. I really don't think
46:01
Speaker 1: there was a way. It's funny because it sounds like
46:04
Speaker 1: the at the last second Durant either didn't.
46:06
Speaker 3: Want to be here or we didn't want to extend him.
46:09
Speaker 1: Whichever that is, I don't know, but we would have
46:12
Speaker 1: gave him the best win. Now players, but you know
46:16
Speaker 1: they're they're thinking of a bunch of stuff. So I
46:18
Speaker 1: think I definitely think Houston won. And if he does
46:24
Speaker 1: go a little lower than the max on the extension,
46:27
Speaker 1: Houston's gonna be a team to reckon with the next
46:30
Speaker 1: couple of years.
46:31
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts, sir?
46:34
Speaker 4: Uh well, uh god, I was thinking three things once
46:39
Speaker 4: to win it there, so uh Houston. Houston has uh
46:45
Speaker 4: fodabeno fucking defense, like the way they played Golden State.
46:48
Speaker 4: Like I know, Golden State did really well again sever brawls. Defensively,
46:51
Speaker 4: Houston did the same thing against Golden State, and that's sure.
46:55
Speaker 4: They just kind of like our Land No, very similar.
46:57
Speaker 4: If they had a babe, they had Katie Obos to
46:59
Speaker 4: Katie's breather band. Well, I don't know, we'll see debatable.
47:01
Speaker 4: I'm not a huge KDI, but I do think that
47:04
Speaker 4: when you add a guy, now can get you buckets
47:06
Speaker 4: because that was their one issue. Uh, if if Kevin
47:09
Speaker 4: Durant had been on this Houston team, Houston would have
47:12
Speaker 4: knocked out Golden State.
47:14
Speaker 3: He's from the field, forty from the three and like
47:19
Speaker 3: eighty something from the free.
47:22
Speaker 4: He's still good and obviously he's getting older, but you're
47:25
Speaker 4: showing himself with a pretty young team, very athletic, and
47:28
Speaker 4: then it's not like he just needs to carry the
47:30
Speaker 4: torch like like, so that is that is a very
47:34
Speaker 4: scary piece of Again, Ifiannis goes to the West too,
47:38
Speaker 4: I know, but so I guess I I you could say,
47:44
Speaker 4: Chris though, that Phoenix won this because in a weird way,
47:48
Speaker 4: they had to make a trade. They were like in
47:50
Speaker 4: Guantanamo Bay salary cap like they were so screwed financially
47:54
Speaker 4: that they had to trade KD. I'm not saying maybe
47:57
Speaker 4: the Houston was right spot or not. But with the
47:59
Speaker 4: money they had paid Bill and Booker and Durant and had.
48:02
Speaker 1: Done Billy, did you even bring Bill over? You know?
48:07
Speaker 4: And and I guess Booker is gonna make like seven
48:11
Speaker 4: they were in such a deep hole financially. Maybe this
48:15
Speaker 4: isn't called a whib is the mood you had to make.
48:17
Speaker 4: So from the Phoenix Suns standpoint, I guess you're kind
48:21
Speaker 4: of happy because now we're kind of digging away out
48:23
Speaker 4: of purgatory again. Houston won it.
48:27
Speaker 1: But the thing, that's my point, there was never gonna
48:31
Speaker 1: be away. They won the trade though they were stuck here.
48:34
Speaker 4: Ye. Yeah, Now you're kind of working your way up
48:38
Speaker 4: to normalcy again in a way, like the ship that
48:42
Speaker 4: that that that yeah, because that that the Sun's run
48:46
Speaker 4: wasn't that long ago at all, and they had such
48:48
Speaker 4: a they were kind of in a way, they're really
48:50
Speaker 4: similar to Okay, see because with Booker and Paul you
48:53
Speaker 4: had a bunch of young kids on the bench who
48:56
Speaker 4: were like a fun team to watch.
48:58
Speaker 1: And he got and Cam and Champagne and yeah and.
49:03
Speaker 3: Remember the big they didn't want to give him the Max.
49:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, like that kind of turned out because he
49:10
Speaker 1: ain't shipped right now.
49:11
Speaker 4: You know atan, Yeah, but they have ever since then.
49:16
Speaker 3: I got a little funky you.
49:17
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, and it's falled apart. So again, Phoenix, I hope,
49:21
Speaker 4: you know, hope, this is uh step wad to get
49:23
Speaker 4: your way back up to above water. So it's a
49:26
Speaker 4: fan guy, but again, this had to happen, and maybe
49:28
Speaker 4: you trade b Old and maybe you kind of revamp
49:30
Speaker 4: around Booker, and Booker is likely what do you rigular
49:32
Speaker 4: the West right now? But he's a good player. But
49:35
Speaker 4: this was a step one they had to make. And
49:37
Speaker 4: for Houston, if you can be a top three defense,
49:41
Speaker 4: you had read that that that that could be scared enough,
49:46
Speaker 4: you know.
49:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were just trying. He had so much
49:50
Speaker 1: ship on him, his efficiency started going down, you know, and.
49:56
Speaker 4: You know it was where the big bass kind of
49:58
Speaker 4: drifted away. That dude, he don't give a shit. He's
50:01
Speaker 4: gonna take the ball, dribble out of the block and score.
50:04
Speaker 4: And he did that relentlessly against the Warriors, who will
50:06
Speaker 4: get head of lead defense. So yeah, the durantam Bain
50:11
Speaker 4: is obviously good news for both those teams. Uh And
50:14
Speaker 4: obviously as we're hearing about, there's gonna be a lot
50:16
Speaker 4: of trades here for the people say it's just gonna
50:18
Speaker 4: be a crazy offseason. Now to your point, Chris, people
50:21
Speaker 4: have to get savvy because you do not a lot
50:23
Speaker 4: of teams have open money, but trades will go down,
50:26
Speaker 4: which still be more fun. Yeah, and we have a
50:30
Speaker 4: couple of probably maybe some guys who are gonna be
50:33
Speaker 4: producing pretty quickly. And obviously Cooper Flag is going to Dallas,
50:36
Speaker 4: but there's a couple of those top ten.
50:38
Speaker 3: Don't go to the Spurs or don't don't go to
50:40
Speaker 3: the West.
50:41
Speaker 1: Keep Giant out the West, dude, I'm gonna start a petition.
50:44
Speaker 3: Keep Giannis out of the West.
50:47
Speaker 1: Unless you want to put the Timberwolves in the East
50:49
Speaker 1: next season, then we can talk.
50:52
Speaker 4: If you're honest, though, do you I obviously he's gonna go,
50:55
Speaker 4: wants to go, but I'd want to go East because dude,
50:59
Speaker 4: the West is.
51:00
Speaker 1: And hey, that team played them pretty tough, the Pacers,
51:04
Speaker 1: you know, and that's without.
51:06
Speaker 3: Hallie, so there it will be, you know.
51:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that.
51:11
Speaker 1: Does open up without Tatum without you know, I mean
51:15
Speaker 1: the Lillard thing, that does suck. But yeah, I don't know, man,
51:20
Speaker 1: But just ahead, you know, just for the audience. Once again,
51:22
Speaker 1: we're just if Jannis gets traded, as soon as we
51:26
Speaker 1: can both get our schedule together, we're gonna do a show.
51:30
Speaker 1: But we may let some fairly sizable moves go and
51:34
Speaker 1: see where Yannis is and see if he's actually gonna
51:38
Speaker 1: get traded, because then we'll kind of talk, you talk
51:42
Speaker 1: our way through all that stuff. But we'll just kind
51:45
Speaker 1: of play it by ear as far as a free
51:47
Speaker 1: agency show.
51:49
Speaker 3: And then obviously I just looked at it nine weeks
51:53
Speaker 3: from now.
51:54
Speaker 1: Let's go in a couple of days actually by Thursday.
51:58
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not talking about week zero, Okay,
52:00
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the.
52:01
Speaker 3: Real week one.
52:02
Speaker 4: Week one is loaded.
52:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean.
52:04
Speaker 1: You're looking at you know, about about a little over
52:07
Speaker 1: nine weeks, the College Ball Show will be backtalking college
52:12
Speaker 1: f and football.
52:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had no, dude. Yeah, we will pull up
52:17
Speaker 4: peek wider you calendar. There's like four legit top dog
52:20
Speaker 4: like big games. So before you know, we'll be talking.
52:23
Speaker 3: To playing non conference games anymore. Because this morning, that's
52:26
Speaker 3: what everybody said. That wasn't even gonna.
52:27
Speaker 1: Happen, you know. Meanwhile, we're hearing an SEC and Big
52:31
Speaker 1: Ten challenge. We're hearing they're trying to set that up
52:34
Speaker 1: for a non conference game, which I think is very
52:37
Speaker 1: smart because it could be a decider, you know.
52:40
Speaker 4: And I was wondering, Chris, just the last question for
52:42
Speaker 4: the show that do you want to do an episode
52:44
Speaker 4: on the Belichick and his girlfriend before a coulture if
52:50
Speaker 4: I if I give us I'm just I'm just saying, okay,
52:53
Speaker 4: Christmas for it.
52:54
Speaker 3: Yet we'll see.
52:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, because well he he can't even answer questions without
52:58
Speaker 1: looking at her. That sixty minute shit was shaky. When
53:02
Speaker 1: when she said, don't answer the question how we met,
53:06
Speaker 1: I was like, what, here's the most disciplined guy. We know.
53:12
Speaker 1: It comes to like sturdy, you're you know, we're running
53:15
Speaker 1: a tight ship. Obviously it was a little looser than
53:18
Speaker 1: you know at the you knows he had killers in thereybody.
53:21
Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk about something else.
53:24
Speaker 1: When I saw that when they you know, shot the
53:28
Speaker 1: video went to her, ye, no, dude, it's like what ude,
53:33
Speaker 1: And she's on the field and she's it's just okay,
53:36
Speaker 1: you can be on the field. But then it feels
53:38
Speaker 1: like she's giving advice to people.
53:41
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, what is your background?
53:44
Speaker 1: You know?
53:44
Speaker 3: North Carolina's like do we have bell checking?
53:46
Speaker 1: And you're like, you know, like we didn't sign up
53:53
Speaker 1: for this up.
53:54
Speaker 3: I bet you she had in the contract. I'm on
53:56
Speaker 3: the field, I'm doing this.
53:58
Speaker 1: I'm running specially she was gonna the special teams person
54:01
Speaker 1: before you know it, dude, Yeah, I mean maybe she
54:06
Speaker 1: knows football, dude, but she don't know like Belichick, she don't.
54:09
Speaker 1: You gotta be a high school coach and work. Even
54:12
Speaker 1: Dion he had to start at high school, you know, yeah,
54:15
Speaker 1: little league high school, uh D one A and then
54:20
Speaker 1: you know, like even a guy like Dion had to
54:22
Speaker 1: do that, you know, and he worked his way up.
54:24
Speaker 1: So hey, man, that's you say. We'll probably do a show,
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Speaker 1: and I some other ship's gonna come up, you know,
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Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I did see a TikTok. He was trained
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Speaker 4: to say, guys, guys rapping the boys over to watch
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Speaker 4: Love isolence to that be finals. So Chris, I've made
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Speaker 4: you a Belichick's girlfriend Love Island recap before the start.
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Speaker 4: We'll let you know how that goes. Until then, stay safe,
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Speaker 4: get outside, place some golf, and enjoy the summer. Boys
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Speaker 4: are out tonight. Piece