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Exploring the Mind of Stanley Kubrick | Occult Rejects · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 5: Just weird, you know. But yeah, we got rightily on
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  Speaker 5: with us today as the guest.
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  Speaker 2: Please, JJ vance right there on the screen, host of
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  Speaker 2: Operation GCDD, help folks out right there on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: The host A Shenanigan infused journey into the mind of
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  Speaker 2: this particular garbage can dude in fact talking going to
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  Speaker 2: be doing a live show tonight on the process What
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  Speaker 2: is the Processed Church with Dana from Rotting Jewels, the
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  Speaker 2: continuation of numerous discussions we've had on the Processed Church
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  Speaker 2: here on the Occult Rejects now looking forward to conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate the invite. Writer definitely enjoyed the documentary. Still processing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of our conversation last week from the Ancient
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  Speaker 2: Aliens and the UFO drone invasions, So a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good information there for folks to go check out on
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  Speaker 2: the conversation all three of us did last Wednesday on
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  Speaker 2: Operation GCD, and uh yeah, definitely looking forward to this
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  Speaker 2: this one. I see a lot of process speaking of
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  Speaker 2: processed church, see a lot of processed church connections within
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  Speaker 2: the whole intel. Uh you know, sy up or I'm
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  Speaker 2: sorry a mind controlled killer circumstances you present in your
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  Speaker 2: in your film, and definitely looking forward to to get
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  Speaker 2: into some of those ideas.
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  Speaker 7: Do you remember the little section that we had of
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  Speaker 7: Mark Devlin talking about the process church. Obviously we couldn't
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  Speaker 7: go super deep into it in the documentary, but because
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  Speaker 7: it's great.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Devlin is great too. I'm very familiar with his
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  Speaker 2: work on Manson Family. Sure. Yeah, it's a great addition
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  Speaker 2: to your film. I thought him and Joe att Will
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  Speaker 2: both we're both surprising.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I really liked, uh what Mark Devlin brought to
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  Speaker 7: the table. His research is really incredible. And that's really
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  Speaker 7: awesome that you're doing things with Dana. I had her
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  Speaker 7: on my show as well. She's a really incredible story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean the the
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  Speaker 2: Cross there are a lot of the topics of personnel
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  Speaker 2: that you've identified in your film is just to me,
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  Speaker 2: I think it just speaks to the same kind of
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  Speaker 2: soup we're talking about here where. Kind of the subject
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  Speaker 2: where Data and I are going to discuss tonight is
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  Speaker 2: just more of a general concept of what is the process,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from a legal standpoint, from a you know,
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  Speaker 2: reality standpoint, what you know from a you know, execution
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  Speaker 2: of their ideas standpoint. But yeah, there's certainly there're certainly involved.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of characters like you all present as well
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  Speaker 2: in the film surround Sirhan.
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  Speaker 7: Yes Wild and how Sirhan Sirhan is just basically being
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  Speaker 7: psychically driven to write the same thing j RFK must
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  Speaker 7: die or OFFK must die over and over again. And
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  Speaker 7: then Jack within the Shining is essentially writing his own
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  Speaker 7: version of psychic driving, which is all working no play
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  Speaker 7: makes Jack a doll boy, over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 7: And that's one of the connections that I found later on,
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  Speaker 7: after I'd realized exactly what's going on within the Shining
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  Speaker 7: and I was putting all these things together, and I
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  Speaker 7: was like, holy crap, this is exactly like I mean,
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  Speaker 7: this is a real life example, and we show several
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  Speaker 7: real life examples of you know, what's being portrayed in
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  Speaker 7: the Shining, and then things that has happened in real life,
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  Speaker 7: like the dosing of LSD and the you know, Jack
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  Speaker 7: essentially being dosed with LSD, and we know that the
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  Speaker 7: CIA was would do that all the time. They would
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  Speaker 7: even spray like LSD RSL and entire groups of unsuspecting people.
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  Speaker 7: And that's really where we you know, got to the
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  Speaker 7: core of exactly what's going on within the Shining and
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  Speaker 7: using all these real life examples of you know, and
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  Speaker 7: then you also have like things like with Sue Lyon
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  Speaker 7: as well within the movie Lolita, which is essentially about pedophilia,
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  Speaker 7: and then the exact same thing is happening to her,
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  Speaker 7: and real life with James B. Harris, Kubrick's producer on
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  Speaker 7: the on the movie, he's doing the same thing to her,
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  Speaker 7: that is what he's portraying in the movie. And then
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  Speaker 7: with like a clockwork Shining whenever that came out, I
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  Speaker 7: mean a clockwork Orange. Sorry, when a clockwork Orange came out,
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  Speaker 7: it got banned in all these different countries because there
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  Speaker 7: was like you know, clockwork orange murderers and gangs and
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  Speaker 7: things that were going on, and crime was rising really high,
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  Speaker 7: and they decided to ban the movie over there. And
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  Speaker 7: then like with you know, within The Shining with Shelley Duvall,
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  Speaker 7: in the way that Cubrick is treating Schlley Duvall, you know,
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  Speaker 7: it seems very reminiscent of what someone would do to
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  Speaker 7: another person if they're trying to you know, traumatize them
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  Speaker 7: and break down their mind and mind fracture them within
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  Speaker 7: the movie, and he's doing that there her in real
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  Speaker 7: life as it's sort of being portrayed in The Shining.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that, and I well, when I was
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  Speaker 2: watching and before I got to that part, I wondered
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  Speaker 2: if y'all were going to address what became of Shelley Duvall,
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  Speaker 2: and that was I thought that was a good way
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  Speaker 2: to summarize it. They're the way you just did that
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  Speaker 2: that section of the film, because Yeah, clearly something happened
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  Speaker 2: to Shelley Duvall. She passed this past year. I saw
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  Speaker 2: y'all dedicated the film to her her passing her life,
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  Speaker 2: that is. But yeah, she definitely, I mean, she was
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  Speaker 2: mentally affected there throughout the latter part of her life.
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  Speaker 2: There after she did The Shining clear with her you know,
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  Speaker 2: her physical and drug abuse and physical deterioration.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Kubrick is really a master filmmaker, and he likes
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  Speaker 7: to put things in there that are symbolically telling a story.
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  Speaker 7: And whenever Wendy, one of the first things that Wendy
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  Speaker 7: sees after Jock is trying to kill her with an axe,
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  Speaker 7: and then she puts Danny out the window, and then
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  Speaker 7: she goes downstairs and she sees Hollarin's body dead on
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  Speaker 7: the floor. Which Hollaran is the only person that is
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  Speaker 7: killed in this entire movie, and he actually wasn't killed
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  Speaker 7: in Stephen King's novel The Shining, but Kubri put it
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  Speaker 7: in there that Jack kills Holleran in the movie. And
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  Speaker 7: then whenever Wendy to around, she sees the gentleman that's
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  Speaker 7: standing there with the wine glass, and the gentleman says,
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  Speaker 7: great party, isn't it, And he's got the split down
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  Speaker 7: his forehead.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 7: That's to me some symbolizing the mind fracturing that Windy
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  Speaker 7: is currently going through.
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  Speaker 2: No, for sure, I think that was a great point too,
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  Speaker 2: because I mean, that was a very big beef between
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick and King right with these these elements that Kubrick
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  Speaker 2: changed from the King narrative, And clearly Kubrick's doing and
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  Speaker 2: changing these narratives, changing these elements of the narrative for
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  Speaker 2: an intended purpose. And I think, yeah, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: a good way to describe that I've seen for sure,
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  Speaker 2: because there's a lot I mean, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things I've seen the Shiny before. It's probably my favorite
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick film. It's certainly the one I saw first, but
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that I saw that probably
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  Speaker 2: as a teenager. I didn't really get into any of
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  Speaker 2: other Kubrick films until recent years, probably five years ago
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  Speaker 2: or so, But I thought that was an interesting way
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  Speaker 2: to the psychic driving aspect of Probably the line that
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  Speaker 2: sticks out of the scene, that sticks out the most
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  Speaker 2: of the movie to me is the all work and
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  Speaker 2: no play makes Jack adult boy. And I never really
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  Speaker 2: considered that to be a psychic driving thing, but it
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  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense in that context.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, our movie really brings together a lot of the
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  Speaker 7: holes that people have pointed out within the movie why
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  Speaker 7: certain things don't make sense, you know, why all these
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  Speaker 7: continuity errors are there, you know, items disappearing and reappearing.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there's even dialogue errors within the shining that
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  Speaker 7: are that stick out like a sore thumb, and no
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  Speaker 7: one has really been able to explain why these things
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  Speaker 7: are there. And also you know why these like random
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  Speaker 7: scenes of like when Wendy goes upstairs and she sees
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  Speaker 7: the guy that's dressed up in like a teddy bear costume,
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  Speaker 7: that is, you know what makes it look like that
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  Speaker 7: he's performing oral sex on the other gentleman that's on
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  Speaker 7: the bed, and a lot of those makes it's when
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  Speaker 7: you realize that you know what this movie is really about,
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  Speaker 7: and you can put two and two together and realize
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  Speaker 7: that exactly what's going on within this movie. And also
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  Speaker 7: Qubrick's like foreshadowing within the movie is like completely genius.
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  Speaker 7: It's genius filmmaking. In the very beginning of the movie,
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  Speaker 7: when the doctor comes to visit Danny, there's a teddy
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  Speaker 7: bear that Danny is laying on. There's teddy Bear paintings
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  Speaker 7: and pictures throughout the movie, and then you got the
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  Speaker 7: teddy bear guy that's dressed up in a bear costume.
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  Speaker 7: The amount of times that baseball bats show up in
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  Speaker 7: the movie before Windy even picks up the baseball bat
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  Speaker 7: is staggering. In the first ten minutes of the movie,
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  Speaker 7: when the doctor is visiting Danny, there's a curtain on
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  Speaker 7: the side that has like a cartoon character holding a
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  Speaker 7: baseball bat. Whenever Jack goes to look at the maze,
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  Speaker 7: the model of the maze, which is one of the
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  Speaker 7: most interesting scenes of the entire movie, with Jack's looking
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  Speaker 7: at the model of the amazing and then the maze
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  Speaker 7: fades into the outside is where Danny and Wendy is
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  Speaker 7: outside in the maze. It's unlike any other shot in
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  Speaker 7: the entire movie. But before he goes to look at
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  Speaker 7: the maze, there's a baseball bat that's laying on the
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  Speaker 7: couch downstairs, but then it automatically appears back upstairs in
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  Speaker 7: their apartment where Windy and Dani are setting with the
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  Speaker 7: Teddy Bear in the background another Teddy Bear symbolism with
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  Speaker 7: a fire truck and the ladder of the fire truck
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  Speaker 7: sticking up, giving the appearance that the bear Teddy Bear
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  Speaker 7: has a heart on and right beside that Teddy Bear
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  Speaker 7: is where the baseball bat is that Wendy picks up
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  Speaker 7: and then goes downstairs and finds that Jack is uh,
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  Speaker 7: you know, finds all of his work that he's not
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  Speaker 7: really reading a novel, and she finds it he's just
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  Speaker 7: writing out the same thing over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, then he comes in and that's when he's, uh,
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  Speaker 7: he's triggered, and he decides to you know, try and
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  Speaker 7: kill Wendy and go after Danny.
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  Speaker 2: And even that's kind of foreshadowed, right because they tell
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  Speaker 2: the story of the previous caretaker who whoo, who had
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  Speaker 2: into his family in the same means, Right, that's where
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  Speaker 2: that's where Jack learns it from.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Between Stuart Almon in the beginning of the movie
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  Speaker 7: is like the most incredible dialogue of the entire movie,
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  Speaker 7: because Almond pretty much sets up exactly what's going to
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  Speaker 7: happen throughout the entire movie. He tells Jack everything that
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  Speaker 7: essentially is going on, that it's not a physically demanding job,
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  Speaker 7: that is more of a psychological job because of the
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  Speaker 7: isolation and everything that's going on up there. That you know,
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  Speaker 7: the winners are really bad. You normally snowed in, you
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  Speaker 7: can't really get to town. And then you also have
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  Speaker 7: you know, what other programs and things do we know
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  Speaker 7: that uses isolation and sensory deprivation. I mean there's an
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  Speaker 7: entire coup Barque counter Intelligence CIA manual that uses sensory
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  Speaker 7: deprivation techniques and isolation techniques to get things out of prisoners.
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  Speaker 7: And that's yeah, it's kup bar counterintelligence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and very striking brick, isn't it It is?
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  Speaker 7: And that we bring that up in the movie qubar qubriic,
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  Speaker 7: like what's going on there? And you know, and then
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  Speaker 7: he Omond then explains that you know what happened to
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  Speaker 7: the previous caretaker that he, you know, suffered from some
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  Speaker 7: sort of what they what the police called cabin fever
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  Speaker 7: and decided to kill his two kids and his family
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  Speaker 7: and that's it, and his wife. So I mean, that's
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  Speaker 7: exactly what Jack ends up doing as well. J. J. Freese, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I think he did.
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  Speaker 2: Grows up. My Grimlin's were acting up and with starlink
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  Speaker 2: today got at a big storm come in. Someone activated
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  Speaker 2: the alien weather devices apparently.
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  Speaker 7: In right, Pa, Well that's why we can barely even
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  Speaker 7: see you anyway with that camouflage.
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  Speaker 2: On JJ right.
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  Speaker 5: He said, Hey, he's got the camouflage all around them too.
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, this our movie at Clockwork Shining, which is
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  Speaker 7: on Amazon Prime and Apple TV Plus, is is a
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  Speaker 7: new look at the Shining material and it's it's not
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  Speaker 7: something it's not about the moon landing. Okay, Jay Widener
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  Speaker 7: is in the movie. Okay, he's the originator of the
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  Speaker 7: you know, thinking that the Shining is Cubri's confession of
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  Speaker 7: faking the moon landing. But this movie is not about
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  Speaker 7: the moon landing. We maybe mentioned the moon landing a
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  Speaker 7: couple of different times throughout the movie. It probably takes
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  Speaker 7: up like two minutes of almost two hours of the movie.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, before people think that, you know, this
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  Speaker 7: is just a complete rehashing of old stuff and that
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  Speaker 7: it's nothing new, you it isn't. It is something new
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  Speaker 7: that that I believe is actually going on with the Shining.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a great point because yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: you obviously do touch on in there, but that's a great,
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  Speaker 2: great assessment. It was about two minutes of the of
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  Speaker 2: the two hours talking about the Apollo stuff. I did
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  Speaker 2: find a lot of the and where you really touch
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  Speaker 2: base on it seemed like was the the Wonderland Air
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  Speaker 2: Force Base Lookout Mountain Laboratories discussion, which was obviously relevant
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  Speaker 2: to mention there.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a big integral part of the entire documentary because,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the it's interesting because there was a hotel
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  Speaker 7: that's right there where Lookout Mountain air Force Base became
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  Speaker 7: the Air Force Base, and the hotel was called Lookout
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  Speaker 7: Mountain Hotel, which looked, you know, similar to Stanley Kubrick's
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  Speaker 7: Overlook Hotel within The Shining and that hotel ended up
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  Speaker 7: burning to the ground in the early nineteen hundreds, and
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  Speaker 7: then Stephen King's sequel movie to The Shining Doctor Sleep,
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  Speaker 7: the Overlook Hotel burns to the ground. So it's like
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  Speaker 7: this this weird parallel between you know, reality either mimicking
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  Speaker 7: art or art mimicking reality, which we find throughout all
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  Speaker 7: of Stanley Kubrick's movies. Then you also have you know,
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  Speaker 7: Catcher in the Rye as well, like all that that
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  Speaker 7: stuff with Ketcher in the Rye is completely wild. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: when we first meet Wendy and Danny in the movie,
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  Speaker 7: Windy is reading Catcher in the Rye, which is buy
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  Speaker 7: an intelligence officer J. D. Salinger, And this was a
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  Speaker 7: year before both assassinations which involved Catcher in the Rye
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  Speaker 7: and was found on the scene Mark, David Chapman, John
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  Speaker 7: Hinckley Junior. This Catcher in the I was in this
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  Speaker 7: movie before those assassinations took place. With John Lennon and
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  Speaker 7: all the Beatles. Symbolism within The Shining as well is
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  Speaker 7: you know they look they're walking almost identically to the
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  Speaker 7: Beatles Abbey Road album cover. You have the beatle that's
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  Speaker 7: in the background of the Abbey Road cover, which was
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  Speaker 7: John Lennon's beatle. Stephen King put a beatle in the
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  Speaker 7: in the movie. It was supposed to be a red Beatles.
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  Speaker 7: Stanley Kuber changed it from a red to a yellow beatle,
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  Speaker 7: and then when Holaeren is traveling up to the overlook,
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  Speaker 7: you see a red beetle crush underneath a fourteen wheeler
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  Speaker 7: semi you. Stephen King was supposed to, you know, make
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  Speaker 7: the Lord of the Rings J. R. R. Tolkien's Lord
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  Speaker 7: of the Rings movie where the Beatles were gonna play
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  Speaker 7: all the Hobbits. Stephen King actually got the idea to
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  Speaker 7: name his novel The Shining from a John Lennon song
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  Speaker 7: called Instant Karma where he talks about we all shine on.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there's so much Beatles things in Beatles connections
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  Speaker 7: between Stanley Kubrick, the Shining and and Stephen King as well.
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  Speaker 7: It's really incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was some interesting correlations I had
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  Speaker 2: not previously considered were identified. And you know, the Beatles
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  Speaker 2: are an interesting group because you know, back to the
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  Speaker 2: Processed Church, they definitely erupt out of the out of
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  Speaker 2: the Mayfair scene and literally out of the Processed Church
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  Speaker 2: headquarters in the Mayfair. The Beatles form a band and
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  Speaker 2: Paul Asher famously Paul Asher. Paul McCartney was dating his
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  Speaker 2: girlfriend Asher. Her her first cousin was a founding member
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  Speaker 2: of the of the Process and I believe recently passed
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  Speaker 2: out there in cana of Utah, Diane Asher and uh
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  Speaker 2: that that uh McCartney's girlfriend Asher. I can't think of
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  Speaker 2: her first name at the moment. I want to call
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  Speaker 2: her Linda, but I know that's not it. But yet
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: her brother is the McCartney's girlfriend's brother was allegedly a
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: member of the Process and owner of that Indica Art
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Gallery coffee and art gallery there in Mayfair district where
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the Beatles would hang out where John met Joko, That's
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: where London met Yoko was at that end, the Indica
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Gallery there, so it's very difficult. I mean, there's a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: lot more obvious uh symbolism within the process uh and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the Beatles at the very same time they're they're associating
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: themselves with this. They'll they'll make an album where they're
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: all wearing a very processed looking cloak right on the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: album cover, so you know, and obviously there's the the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Crowley stuff when you come to Sergeant Pepper's. Nonetheless, it's
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a it's a narrative. They can't be separated between the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: two of the Process and the Beatles, And I had
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: no idea there was those there's a correlations and you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: between the Beatles and the some of the naming there
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: with the with the Kubrick films and.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: Then Charles Manson said to be a part of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: processed Church, and sure, you know, and also connection to
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: the Beatles as well, like that gentleman just brought up
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: in the chat, you know, Manson being a musician, and
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: I believe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong,
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: but I believe that Manson claimed that the Beatles stole
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: some of his songs or something like that, and might
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: correct in seeing.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That, yeah, I mean the Beats So yeah, The Beatles
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: were definitely part of that Laurel Canyons scene. So right
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: there and look Out Mountain Laboratories, Wonderland Air Force based.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Beatles were hanging out right there there
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: along with the stuff you identify in the film with
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: with the Monkeys and Jack Nicholson, and that's kind of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the psychedelic music scene that was going on there at
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the time. Jimmy Hendrix would have been a third party
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: there with Peter Tork and Jack Nicholson and that and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: that and that little trio of you know, activity around
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that movie head you all identify in the film. But yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I mean the Beatles are very much part of that scene.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Phil Spector, the producer of The Wall of Sound, he
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: produced the Beatles as well. He owned some of their
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: some of the rights to their music. So yeah, I mean,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it's uh, certainly a scene that they're they're they're often
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: not immediately identified with, but they were certainly embedded in.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, in China Town with Roman Polanski there he directed
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: with Jack nicol and then Roman Polanski was at a
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: Jack Nicholson prompt party and then he got he raped
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: a thirteen year old girl and then fled the country
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: for from prosecution, and then at the exact same time,
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: Jack Nicholson also left to go to England to shoot
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: the Shining.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yep, not coincidental, I'm sure. I mean, these are all
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: part of the same network. It seems like as far
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: as the you know, these uh, these filmmakers and producers there,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: because you have Bob Evans involved in that Polanski Nicholson
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: cover up of the rape business of Plansky, and you
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: know he's he's very much involved in uh with these
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: same cult groups as well, along with as you all
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: point out, Nicholson. But yeah, the Beagle stuff is very
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: interesting to me because you know, they they they definitely
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: seem to be very much part of this kind of
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: occulted mind, almost like the way the Manchurian Candidate films
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: served as some sort of you know or even as
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: you all point out, the book from J. D. Salder
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: there the the drawings. Yeah, that's so interesting because.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: The whole all the Beatles connections, and then it just
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: happens to be that John Lennon is is assassinated and
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: murdered less than a year after the training comes out,
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: where Wendy is reading the exact same book and Mark
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: David Chapman is reading the book on the scene. After
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: he's sitting on the sidewalk and the police come and
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: he's actively reading the book Catcher in the Rye. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: then he goes to court and stands up in court
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: and says that if you want my defense, all you
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: need to do is Recatcher in the Rye. And then
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: a psychologist visits him in prison a couple of years after,
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: and then he's still reading Catcher in the Rye. Then
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: you have John Hinckley Junior, which was also involved and
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: well it was an attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, but
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: that was also found on the scene. It seems it
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: seems like we're in assassination season right now in the
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: United States. It seems like we're bringing that full circle
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: right back around.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of waiting on that, and I'm kind of
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: waiting for the Satanists to attack.
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: That seems to be a going trend with a lot
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: of these presidential assassination attempts from Sir Hans, Sir Han
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: TeV elements to the JFK situation with the same Satanist parties,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you know, through the Gerald Ford attempts in the seventies,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you know, onto the Hinkleys and you know whatnot there
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: all seems to be an underlying trend with Satanists. We
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: haven't seen that yet in our latest assassination season, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: Well, did you guys see this article about JFK from
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: I might have the Vanity Fair article?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: He supposedly faked his assassination from the two months before,
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: has supposed a real assassination in nineteen sixty three. Why
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: had JFK staged his own murder and a James Bond
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: inspired spy film two months before his assassination?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Well that's wild.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a whole Vanity Fair article here. It's uh
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: and that's kind of what we surmise in our first
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: Sure documentary JFK X Me and Jay Winer did that
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: you can also find on Amazon Prime. So this was
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: really wild to me that Vanity Fair came out with
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: this and it was Jackie Kennedy filmed a fake assassination
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: of JFK two months before the supposed real assassination. So,
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, I've shown this article, I've sent it to
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: several people, and they don't even know what to make
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: of it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: They're like, well, I'm in the same boat right now
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: when you're when you're presenting here, it's a it's an
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: odd one.
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, it's got you know. They talk about all
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: of this and that kid that Jackie was a really
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: big proponent of films. She wanted to be a filmmaker
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: and a film director, and she studied French film and
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: and all of the Secret Service agents that were involved
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: with this with the supposed real assassination that happened November
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: twenty second, nineteen sixty three, were also involved in this
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: fake assassination that happened to those filmed two months prior
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: they were all there there. Jackie called them and was like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: pull up to the house and and pretend that you
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: heard gunshots go off.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Wow, I'm not to read that article.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll drop it in the chat here too, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: I'll also send it to you as well. But I thought,
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: but you also have allman within the movie that looks
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: almost identical to JFK and JFK actually watched Kubrick's movie
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: Spartacus at the White House.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that was an interesting part of the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: documentary all covered because I think that's an under underdiscussed
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: aspect of politics in Hollywood is the is the Douglas
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: clan altogether, and they're obviously deeply involved there in the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: in the in the in the film Spartacus as well.
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah. So JFK was definitely a fan of uh, Stanley
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Kubrick's work, I mean, to watch it. I mean JFK
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: was known to watch a lot of movies at the
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: White House, but that was one of the first ones
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: that he watched was Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus, and he supported
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: it as well.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: But that was considered a big left wing effort at
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the time, Right, that was a very much part of
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the communist Red Scare in Hollywood, and they were often
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: considered as the communist factions, Right, Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: JFK had And that's what a lot of people don't
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: really remember is that JFK was a Democrat. He wasn't
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: a Republican, but a lot of the Republicans prop him
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: up like he was somehow like a Republican, and a
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: lot of the Republicans of the time did not like JFK.
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: They were pretty much against him because he obviously wanted
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: to desegregate the population and do a lot of left
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: leaning ideology, things that right did not want to do
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: at that time, and that's what created you know, Kennedy,
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: gave Kennedy a lot of enemies within the political spectrum.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of left right politics around that
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: production of that film. Right relative to the impact on Kubrick, correct, correct.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a really interesting We have some clips of
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: it in our movie, like it's it is very divisive film,
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: just like a lot of Cubrick's early works were really divisive,
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: and like Barry Linden, it did not go over very well.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, Berry Linden was an amazingly beautiful film. You know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: it was shot beautifully, of course, but it just did
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: not go over well with the audience. It did not
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: go over well with the critics. And it's a high
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: possibility that Warner Brothers was kind of like, hey, let's
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: let's do this horror novel by Stephen King because they
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: had already had a big success with a horror novel
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: and a big time film director director with William Freaking
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: and The Actressist, which was based on a book. There's
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: so much information or struggle. Yeah, I don't think that
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: The Actressist was I don't think that was even a
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: real story. I'm pretty sure people have done a lot
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: of research into the actressist kid and that being a
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: real story, and it turns out that all those people
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: were fake. They were all fake people that they never
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: even existed. And uh, but that's what the movie was
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: based off of, was that novel. And it's highly possible
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: that Warner Brothers was kind of like, oh, hey, you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: do this book by this you know, big time author,
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: Stephen King, because your your movies before has just been
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: you know, really big flops. Like, we can't take another flop,
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: so let's do something that's been proven to work with,
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: you know, adapting a horror novel into a film.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Right, And they already had success with some of the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: King stuff right in the mid seventies, with like is
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: it Carrie.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Yes, it's Carrie. I think Chris, maybe Chris, I think
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: Christine might.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Have seen one of one of those one of those
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Stephen King stories, right they made in the in the seventies.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and of course it as well. I think it
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: might have came out in the eighties or Yeah. I'm
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: not up on a lot of the Stephen King films
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: in their release dates, though. I am pretty good with
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: movie release.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan of King. I can't. I mean,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I'm really That's one of the things that I tried
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to watch the Shining, the King version, right, I just
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it wasn't I didn't think it was nearly as good.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that was completely That was a bunch of garbage.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: And it was a mini series. I I couldn't even
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: watch it. I couldn't even finish it. It was just
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: so bad. And we realized based off of that movie,
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: which well, that TV series that came out in the nineties,
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: why Stephen King, you know, changed up a lot of
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: things within his version of The Shining because they didn't
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: make any sense. They did not transfer to film well,
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: and that's probably a big reason why. I also, Stanley
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: Kubrick took took out a lot of the paranormal aspects
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: from King's book. He wanted to make this more of
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: a psychological film instead of a horror movie with the
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: ghosts and you know, paranormal activity. I mean, he has
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: a freaking haunted bush. There's a freaking haunted bush, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: King's uh mini series. Well, but then the Shining it
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: also talks about that's one of the things that Kubrick
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: actually left in was we're talking about that is built
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: on top of an Indian burial ground, and that's where
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: a lot of the theories come from that it's uh
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: that the movie is about Native American genocide and uh,
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: you know the Holocaust and all that stuff as well.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Sure because of allmon commenting that that the hotel was
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: built on top of an Indian burialgram that is.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: A kingism though, right. I think King puts in a
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: number of his books pet cemetery. I think it's another
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: aspect of pet cemetery that the the pet cemetery is
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: on a on an Indian mound.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And a lot of King's books also take place
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: in Colorado to Colorado and like Pennsylvania, and they all
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: involve a writer pretty much all of them have a
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: writer in in his.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: In his novels, which was which was the was was
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the employment of Jack right, he was a budding writer,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: writer trying to be right.
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's the thing that we bring up in
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: our movie as well, is like because it's mentioned several
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: times in the movie, like these people in Denver, Like
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: we show all the cuts of every time that these
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: people in Denver are mentioned in this movie. And it's
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: like five or six times in this conversation between Almond
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: and Jack, like, our people in Denver, well, the people
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: in Denver. People in Denver highly recommended Jack, and no
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: one is really asked, who are these people in Denver?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Like stressed the contracts, right, the Denver folks.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: And then later on when Jack is, you know, going
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: after Wendy, He's like, you, do you have any idea
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: what a contract is? You know that that I have
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: a responsibility to my employers. It's almost like he knows
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: exactly what's going on up there, that he knows that
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: this is some kind of experiment that he needs to
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: see through to the end no matter what. And of
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: course Denver.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not nothing. I had considered it as
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: many times I've seen the shining before this whole Denver
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: connection in these contracts. I kind of laughter your All's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: montage with the Denver montage, because there is it's pretty
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I mean it is. It's a heavy undertone in the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: in the plot line.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, these the people in Denver, Well, your people in
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: Denver might have not I might not have told you,
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: but the previous credit murdered his entire family. Well, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: understand why your people in Denver left that for you
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: to tell me. It's over and over again, how many times?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Ye kind of just chuckles it all in the conversation
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: with the JFK looking for it, he kind of just
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you know, laughs at the Denver at the Denver comments, right.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's kind of well known that the CIA
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: like that Denver, Colorado is like the hub of the CIA,
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Like it's like the second spot other than Washington, d C.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: That has a heavy CIA presence is in Denver. And
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: people have talked about how Denver, well, Colorado in general,
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: is going to be this new uh you know, headquarters
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: for the New World and all that. So, I mean,
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: it's not out of the realm of possibility, sure, I
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: mean the center of the United States is really where
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: you would want to set up all your stuff because,
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: as you know, on any of the coast, if another
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: country attacks, then they're gonna get to you really quickly.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: But if you're positioned like almost directly in the middle, then.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: Sure, and then you have all the stuff at the
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: Denver International Airport and all the things that people are
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: have theorized going on the air for yeah, for you
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: know a long time. You know, underground facilities underneath the
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: National Airport and all that, which d I a is
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: really big, dude, Like it is a big airport, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: it seems like it's big for absolutely no reason. Like
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: you you can just walk down through corridors for like
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: ever and like not really even see anybody.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It's so weird, so upset from the city. It's very
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: it is very strange. It could do anything underground out
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: there for sure, the ear of the tunnel and that
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: there's not enough discussion about Colorado tunnels. But you got
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Cheyenne Mountain, you got all those Air Force base. I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: mean there's a lot of tunnels in Colorado for sure.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: Well, there's a CIA document that came out I think
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: in like twenty eleven. It's called the Adam and Eves Story,
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: and it was a declassified document that talks about, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: whenever this giant cataclysm is going to come, this going
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: to completely wreck everything. One of the only places that's
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: going to be safe from this cataclysm is going to
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: be around the Rocky Mountains. So the only survivors of
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: this giant flood that is supposedly going to hit the
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: United States. Is going to be in Colorado. Yeah, the
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: Timberline Lodge is where it was filmed. The exterior shots
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: of The Shining was filmed in a Timberline Lodge in Oregon.
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: The rest of it was shot in England on sets.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I was vaguely familiar with the Lookout Mountain Hotel, but
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: looking at you know, after you all mentioned in the documentary,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: looking at other pictures, I definitely definitely seemed like that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: was a similar looking spot to what was a model
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: there in the film in The Shining, Yeah, I think so.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: And and Kubrick was a really big researcher. He had
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: like an entire team behind him that would go around
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: to these different hotels in these different spots everywhere in
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: the United States that would do research for him and
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: come to the you know, the perfect spot to actually
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: film his movie. But Kubriy hadn't been back to the
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: United States, I don't believe until he never came back
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: after he made two thousand and one A Space Odyssey,
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: So people should have known that he was not going
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: to film his movie in the United States. But that
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: might have been a contention also between him and Stephen King,
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: because they might have been under the impression that he
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: was going to film The Shining at the Stanley Hotel,
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: but he didn't. He just sent a lot of his
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: researchers there to figure out what he wanted to build
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: the set to look like on the interior, and that's
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: all that he was doing. So that might have been,
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: you know, what created this fiction, this friction between Stephen
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: King and Stanley Kubrick was that they might have been
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: under the impression that he was going to come to
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: the United States and film The Shining at the Stanley Hotel.
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: But they you know, Stephen King got his wish and
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: they filmed his mini series that was complete garbage at
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: the Stanley Hotel. I've been there a couple of times.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: It is a really nice place. They got plaques on
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: the walls of they got the acts that was actually
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: used in the filming of The Shining in like a case.
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: They have like a modeled out room that looks like
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: the room two thirty seven of the bathroom, the shower curtain,
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: and then they also have the model of the apartment
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: Jack and Wendy's apartment what it looked like as well.
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: Then it leads into the two thirty seven model of
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: the bathroom.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: So they really played into the culture then there.
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: Huh yeah, but they don't support like Stanley Kubrick's movie
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: that they're like at the end of the tour, they
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: were like, oh, here's a download code for the uh
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: the Shiny Mini series by Stephen King. I was like,
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: nobody wants to watch that, bro.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: But I didn't know. I didn't take the tour there.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I had daylight burning. And the one thing I noticed
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: on the way driving there was there was some excellent
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: fishing spots right off the roadway.
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: It's a beautiful Esther Spark is a beautiful area to visit.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: It's a literally play your car off and catch some
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: trout right there in the Rocky in the rivers of
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the Rocky Mountains five feet walk from your car.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's really beautiful up there. It's kind
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: of like it's a small mountaintown. The downtown area is
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: really beautiful. I wouldn't go up there in the winter, though,
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: Like you're those mountains traveling up.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Through there, dude, sure, miles wise, but yeah, and some
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: snowy weather it could feel like forever. I bet those winding.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: Roads there are some winders up there. You're gonna take
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: that side wind or snow cat up and up in
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: those mountains, which then makes you think of like, how
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: did they build this giant hotel up there? That had
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: to take a lot of time to to build that hotel.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: And there's also tunnels underneath the hotel as well. Interesting
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: at the Stanley Hotel of course, or they could there's
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: there's tunnels that lead to the UK because the staff
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: back in the day would actually stay on location if
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: they worked there. They would stay in like little cottages
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: like right off the side of the If you've been there,
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: you can see all those cottages and were like the
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: maids and the people that worked there would stay and
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: they had like a tunnel system that would go from
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: the house that they would stay out on the property
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: into the hotel.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Was that always a hotel?
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: Was that?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Was it a Stanley Steamer folks residents or is that
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: they just built that the Stanley Steamer folks built it
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: as a hotel.
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: I believe they built it as a hotel, but I
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: could be wrong. I don't really know my history.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: That was it?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It is out there. I mean, you make a good point,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: logistically speaking, that would not have been an easy thing
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to build, especially that time.
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it would be really rough. And apparently whenever Stephen
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: King went to because that's where he got the inspiration
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: to actually write the book, was at the Stanley Hotel
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: and it was during like the off season, and a
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: lot of the rooms were like, you know, closed down.
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: There was very few people there. They had one bartender,
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: and I believe that Lloyd the Bartender is actually based
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: off of a real bartender that was bartending at the
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: Stanley Hotel.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I thought you were all a
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: hallucination explanation of Lloyd the Bartender was more of a
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: provite a greater context of that character because again relying
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: on the paranormal aspects of that character. It's one of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the things I guess I didn't like, you know, watching
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the Shining originally with some of the goat like this
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: whole ghostly aspect of Lloyd the Bartender in the whole
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: ballroom experience. But it seems like that the ellucinogenic aspect
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: that you all present seems to make more sense to me.
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and you have real life explanations of that. With
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: Frank Olsen. There's an entire Netflix documentary. It's about you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: Frank Olson, and what they did to him is spiking
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: his drink with LSD and then he jumped off the
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: you know, the out of the window of his hotel
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: room and died. There's uh, you know, that's some of
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: the things that happened to these army personnel as well,
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: that they would be unknowingly dosed with LSD. They were
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: told that they were going to be a part of
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: these experiments. They would get LSD aerosol, they were told
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: to in Helle LSD aerosol and then they would be
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: you know, a lot of those people ended up ending
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: their life lives as well because they couldn't.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Handle It was that Operation Midnight Climax Activities.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: That was one of them.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: This one was.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: I Can't.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And the John's Something all Else.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: Something Claw prob Clall Claw House or Ravens No Ravens.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: Craig was at in Canada with doctor Hugh and Cameron,
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: which we also bring up in the documentary that created
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: this psychic driving aspect to implant thoughts and ideas in
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: the people's heads that make them do things that they
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: otherwise normally wouldn't do after they had been traumatized, which
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: that's one factual you can there's documentation of that, and
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: several other people that went through that actually sued the
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: Canadian government for those experiments that you and Cameron was
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: doing it Ravens, Craig and uh in Canada.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: But that was a great point you made there with
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: with Cameron, and I didn't know I was gonna ask
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you actually because immediately brought up to mind something about
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Clockwork Orange and Cameron that he was intentionally putting some
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: of these things into the Clockwork Orange for the intelligence services.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I know, I didn't know if that was something you
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: all had to leave on the cutting room floor. Getting
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: more into that subject behind the clockwork gorngs and the
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Intelligent Services aspect of apparently putting these things into the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: into the storyline, Apparently there was a there was a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: biographer I guess, that documented this about Anthony Burgess's life
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: where supposedly the intelligencies had insisted that he insert these
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: aspects into the story and basically write a science fiction
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: story based on these these details of these doctor Ewan Cameron,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: uh my, you know mind control and kulture experiments that
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: you see in the Clockwork gorngs, right, the horror and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: terror terror experiments where they they keep old Boy's eyes open, right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: And they're putting the LSD eye dropper into his eyes
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: and then make him watch all these movies to control
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: his personality and control his behavior. Yeah, there's been a
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: lot of military and intelligence involvement with movies going back
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: a really long time. We you know, talk about at
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: the end of two thousand and one of Space Odyssey,
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: Stanley Kuber thinked all of these big intelligence agencies, Air
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: Force Intelligence, DARBA, Langley, Virginia and then they were all
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: cut out at the end of the movie. And we
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: also showed documents that the intelligence community has been involved
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: with movies going back to you know, through FOURIO requests,
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: people have found that, you know, they were involved in
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: the Transformers movies. And it's kind of a known thing now,
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: But back in nineteen sixty eight, when two thousand and
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: one A Space Odyssey came out, no one sure knew
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: that that could even be a thing.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Absolutely different time, right, propaganda wise, different time for what
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: folks understood in the public, for sure. Yeah. The uh yeah,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: uh uh.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: So, speaking of Cameron, I was actually just talking about
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Cameron last night on a just randomly on a show
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: discussing the process and Nexium, and how I have this
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: theory that the Albany chapter of the process, which was
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: confirmed by their own admission to never closed, morphed into
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the nexium cult. And uh, there was a neurologist that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: was working for Nexium out of Albany, New York, same
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: same town that doctor Cameron was out of for his
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: uh you know, much of his career, that he was
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: even running some of those experiments in in Montreal where
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: when he was commuting there from Albany, you know, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to and from multiple days at a time. But uh,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: this nextim neurologists got lost his license for doing these
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: exact same experiments, these horror and terror experiments, forcing subject's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: eyes open to watch these dismembering of bodies and et cetera,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: et cetera, And he got he got busted by the
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: state Medical Board for doing over to doing this to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: over two hundred subjects. So these experiments seem to be
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: still going on today in the same cities, involving doctors
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that you know that may not have known you, and
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: camera but operating in the same locations as camera cameras
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: operating with these same experiments. I just think that's a
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it's a fascinating thing that these things may still be
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: Well, a lot of the lot of the intelligence community
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: was involved with these types of experiments, and Navy was
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: involved with them. The intelligence had this experiment that was
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: called the Ames Leaf Room where you would go in
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: and you would be dosed with LSD and the walls
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: would be like sort or covered in like leaves. It
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: would look like a fall out there, and then they
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: would essentially go crazy inside of this room. They would
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: put these goggles on them that would like change their vision,
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: and then they would end up at the emergency room,
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: like you know, basically in some form of psychosis. And
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: the entire hospital wings have been opened up for these
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: experiments and washing in DC during this time that the
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: mk ulture programs were going on, they basically just sub
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: leased a lot of these experiments to private contractors and
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: like government contractors almost exactly like what they do to
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: this very day with any kind of advanced technology that
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: they don't actually really want to be working with. They
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: just sublease out that contract to a government contractor. Because
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: the government contractor is not under any kind of you
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: can't foller request government contractor like Raytheon, like these Bigelow
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: Aerospace and SRI International, like they're under no responsibility to
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: provide any kind of documentation to anything that they do.
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: So yep, so when you come knocking on the government
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: store for a four yer request, they can deny that
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: any of those anything ever happened because they technically didn't
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: on their.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, speaking of Lookout Mountain Labs and Wonderland Air
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Force Base, there's I mean the same location but different
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: names the same location, you know. I don't know if
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: this was originally like when I was watching your your
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: movie and you all showed the hotel that I was
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: looking through the hotel pictures and I was like, well,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: and you just triggered your comment there in the Navy
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: trigger you know, in their activities, not just you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: CIA or Air Force or whatnot. Navy is also involved
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: in these things. At triggered two thoughts here. So now
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Jared Leto owns that that facility, right he But between
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: in between it being Jared Leto's home and the Wonderland
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Air Force Base, it was one of these kind of
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: reprogramming facilities, right.
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's yeah, that's kind of under contention a little bit.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: And I mean, we do know that the Lookout Mountain
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: Air Force Base was you know, used for making hundreds
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: and hundreds of films. I mean, you can just google
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: Lookout Mountain Air Force Base and on Laurel Canyon you
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: can see that there's thousands of movies and films that
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: were made a lookout mound that are still classified to
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: this very day.
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: But high.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: Some of these actors had high ranking top security clearance
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: for the place. There was there was a fallout shelter there.
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: Marilyn Monroe had top secret security clearance, James Stewart carry Grant,
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: Ronald Reagan had top secret security clearance for the place,
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: and no one knows but yeah, I'm pretty sure I
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: think Sinatra. Yeah, And no one really knows exactly what
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: was going on, like because all the footage is still classified.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: Uh now, and we know for a fact that that's
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: where a lot of these atomic bomb tests took place there.
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: They you know that it was done on all models.
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: It wasn't actual footage of atomic bombs like it was
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: done on models. And that's a really big shocker to
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: people that weren't aware of that, uh sure to begin with,
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: and who knows exactly what went on up there, but
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: I would have to. Someone said the other day that
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: Jared Leto doesn't own Lookout Mountain anymore, but I don't
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: know if he was just a trollers.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: You know. I actually had someone mentioned that to me
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: recently when I mentioned him only two and I did
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: look it up, and from my record, this is probably
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: three months ago when that occurred. When I looked at it,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: then it looked like he was still he still owned it.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: But this and this is Jared Leto here in this
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: picture inside one of the rooms there on the on
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the property. This room I think was actually maintained from
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: the original hotel through the Air Force base on to
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the Letto ownership. And you know, I think that's interesting
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: that they maintained some of this, some of the space
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: like that it kind of had that kind of reminded
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: me of something you'd see out of the Shining, out
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: of the shining in the Overlook Hotel. Just this room
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: in general and kind of the decor. But interestingly enough,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: this fellow here on the couch Letto in the blue
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: shirt that's felling here in the couch talking to him
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: is gil Garcetti. It then he was at the time
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: he was the mayor. Now he's currently the US Ambassador
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: to India. But when you mentioned the Navy being involved
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: in these activities, well, there's naval officer gil Garcetti, so.
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: At there it still looks like he still owns it.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: I don't know what those people were talking about. Sure, Troy, you.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Know when you got you got this kind of naval
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: officer hanging out there right now? I agree with you, writer,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that's pretty hre. There seems to be a cover up
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: of people not wanting to know that Letto still owns this.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the Jesus cult business that
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Letto engages himself in. But he's an interesting character because
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: he sits at that epicenter of rock and roll star
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: and a list actor, right, that's not a very Those
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: are qualifications a lot of folks don't have on their scorecards,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: so to speak.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's uh. I think he won an oscar?
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: Didn't he win an Oscar? For Dolls Buyer's Club with
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: Matthew McConaughey as a supporting actor.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: For sure? And uh, I just think it's weird that
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: when you mentioned that the Navy intel stuff like yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, you got a naval officer here who's just
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: hanging out up there at doing god, you know, maybe
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: he's doing mayor stuff. Who knows, maybe he's doing Navy
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: intel stuff. God knows what they're up to.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: But yeah, and the Navy being a part of a
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: lot of this stuff. Like Jim Morrison's dad was a
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: Navy intelligence officer, was responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: false flag incident that led to the Vietnam War that
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: killed thousands of people. Bob Marley's father was a British
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: naval commander. Sharon Tates was a then of course you got.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sharon Tates. That's a good when he was
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: a lieutenant colonel, right, yeah, Army Army intel.
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, what's his name, lived up in Laurel Canyon. I'm
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: blinking on his name right now. But all these people,
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: they they have military connections. Like all these people that
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: came up out of this Laurel Canyon scene all had
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: family members or father that were somehow high ranking military officers.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: And when you look at that and then they're like,
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: oh crap, this is the reason why a lot of
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: these people they were just able to go wild and
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: do whatever they wanted because they knew that they weren't
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: going to get into any real trouble. They was just
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: going to be immediately let out because their dad were
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: was these high ranking military officers.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It's fun Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because you
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: got you guys like the epicenter of all those those Frank.
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: Zappa, Yeah, that's Frank Zappa. Sorry, got so much stuff
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: in my head that I need to remember, but Frank Zappa, Yeah,
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: as well, that's why I was.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: That was a good one. But Papa John Phillips, his
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: father a career Marine Corps officer. He himself attended the
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Naval Academy. Not he's not an easy place to get into.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Before he dropped out and became a you know, the
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Laurel Canyan rock superstar. But according to the I in
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: s he was he was an nine s report. He
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: was financing the the activities of the Processed Church there
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and Serra nineteen sixty seven there in Los Angeles, believe
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: sixty eight Los Angeles. So he's able connected to these things.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: And speaking of folks who get in trouble and don't
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: get in trouble, he got busted for cocaine trafficking. Back
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty served two weeks at a minimum security
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: prison in Pennsylvania for cocaine trafficking at the height of
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: the cocaine epidemic, right like the crack epidemic situation. It's
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: preposterous to think somebody would walk during that time, but
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: sure enough, these people that do have these family connections,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and in this scene they seem to walk.
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then you have like you know, of course,
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: connections with the Jolly West as well, and all the
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: activities the Jolly West was into two he was actually
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: Jolly West was actually involved with this, uh this project
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: called the I think it was called the Violence Project.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: You guts familiar with this where Jolly West was essentially
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: would take people when they when they get out of
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: prison and put electrodes in their brain too, like essentially
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: can't capacitate them if they go into an area where
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: they're not supposed to go and the police would come
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: and like pick them up.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I did not know about that, but it sounds like
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: a shot like almost like a shot color something.
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: That's exactly what it was. It was. I'm pretty sure
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: it was, like you see U c L a violence
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: project and the project was approved by Ronald Reagan, but
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: then they kind of shut it down before it got
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: up off of the ground. And you know, Jolly West
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: is also known to have spiked people's drinks with LSD.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: He it was involved with the Kennedy assassination. Like, it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: just wild, like all the different connections to like all
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: these people, Like the robber hole goes so freaking deep, dude, Like,
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: and you know, what were they what was their main
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: goal of doing all this stuff back in the day.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's like desensitization, normalization. It's like exactly what
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: Ury buzman Off was talking about, which we have a
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: clip in our documentary of rybuzman Off talking about it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: Whenever you know, Kathy O'Brien talks about the MK ultra
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: being put into the into the school system to subvert
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: the entire country and subvert the ideology of you know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: the people that are now in the school system, because
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: when they grow up twenty years later, they're going to
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: be into the positions of power. And if we can
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: control their minds and control their thoughts and their ideas now,
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: we'll be able to infiltrate and basically do whatever we
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: want later on, because we've already put this Mark cist
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: Leninism ideology into all these people's heads in the school
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: system in the eighties. So when these eighties kids grow up,
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: they're going to be the ones that are running the country,
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: and we'll effectively have been able to control them.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: See he's pretty successful.
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, I think so. I mean, if you go back
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: and listen to those jury Buzmanoff discussions, like they're literally
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: spot on to exactly what's happening right now.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, and I think people that they they'll.
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: Listen to that and they'll kind of be like, oh, well,
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: you know this is this sounds like exactly what's happening,
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: But there's a deeper meaning and there's a deeper layer
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: of how it actually works and the things in the
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: techniques and the psyche driving and the traumatization that you know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: they can put people through to in order to influence
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: their behavior surrounding any event. You know, and when you
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: look back through the United States and all these events
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: that have happened, you see them as collective traumatizations, and
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: then restrictions get tighter after those collective traumatizations. I mean,
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: we're still living out the exact same kind of processes
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: that happened after nine to eleven in the Patriot Act.
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: That stuff never went away. Sure, we still got to
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: take our shoes off whenever we go before we go
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: on a plan. We still got to go through a
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: freaking metal detector, so I got to get our body
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: scanned by these freaking X ray machines. So and those
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: never went away, still there.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, I mean it's, uh, that's kind of the
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: case always with security, you know, elements into these kind
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: of uh, these communist ideals, right, It's it's never an
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: extension of liberty ever involved in these communist ideals. And
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I think, well, you all identified a lot with the
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: the epicenter of the the in your film, with the
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: epicenter of the intelligence and uh you know again with
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: like folks, sir on the epicenter of intelligence cults, you know,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: this mind control aspect to further these communist ideals that
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: you know, because it's it's these cults that profess these
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: communist ideals. Again, Sir Han was documented to be an
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: attendance of numerous processed church sex magic rituals. Believe as
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: how it was phrased in the I S document was Yeah, yep,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: according to the unasked investigation there at the time he
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: was he was allegedly involved, and the process was spotted
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: outside the Ambassador hotel. They're they're that night there when
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Kendy was shot. Not the only connection. There's a lot
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: of other connections there within the process to that immediate scene.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like there was members with the German
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: shepherds and the robe spotted there, So it's not it's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: not a great inference to even assumed that they might
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: have been there because they were in fact seen there,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: so by numerous you know, at least that's the story
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: by numerous witnesses of the scene. Right.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: It's so interesting how Sirhan, the ballistic evidence for the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: san assassination of RFK is missing from the National archives,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: just like how the blistered evidence from the JFK assassination
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: is also missing from the National archives.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: That was a great point there. We was a Walter
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Bosley he h had some good points there on the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Sirhan stuff. That is definitely eye opening. Yeah, I think
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of the reason why some of that stuff
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: is still under wraps of this intelligence control, the political
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: stranglehold on folks. For example, the guy that picked up
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Kennedy's Robert Kennedy's body from the floor in the Ambassador
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: who was there with him a congressman out of New
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: York because at the time sat he was a center
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: from New York, right, RFK was congressman out of there
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: in New York. Al Lowenstein was with him on that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: trip and was holding him picking up his body there
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: from the from the floor. Well, Lowenstein's sons deep up
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: in the Clinton State Department. So these people are still
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: in control today as far as politically speaking and intelligence speaking.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: As far as folks related to these scenes, I'm not
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: saying Al Lowenstein had anything to do with Rfk's death,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: although he did die a suspicious death himself, you know,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: not all that long afterwards.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: So, and RFK was running against LBJ, which, after the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: supposed assassination of Jfkla LBJ famously wanted nothing to do
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: with the Kennedy family, right, and then RFK designs to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: run and he was gonna.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: Win, was gonna win.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the that's what the celebration was right
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: at the Ambassador Hotel when Sir On allegedly shot him,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: even though like you said, the the forensics evidence paints
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: a different narrative, pretty clear different narrative. But yeah, he
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: he was celebrating them winning the California primary, which solidified his, uh,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: his nomination for the sixty eight election.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: And you all mentioned Son of Sam as well. Now
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: now I think about y'all mentioned Son of Sam there
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: in your in your film in some of these mind
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: control syp assassin type situations, especially relative to the notions
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: of LSD and whatnot, that's correct. Beatles were definitely part
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: of the process the uh, which that was interesting because
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: a character perpetrating the syop narrative of the son of Sam.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: So I think that's what the publications were, at least
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: in the newspapers was a sy op and of itself
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: part of the operation. But that fellow was another then, uh,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Chuck New York Post New York Daily News reporter. I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: can't think of his name right now, but he was
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: on the scene there as well in the Ambassador Hotel
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: with r f K reporting on that event as the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: story goes.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, then New h James Jesus Angleton, you know, broke
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: into Mary Pinchew Meyer's house and like stole or diary
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: which Mary pinchow Meyer was a mistress of JFK and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: there's a there's a lot of strange connections with James
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: Jesus Jesus angleton.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: There was a part of the documentary that kind of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: had to be cut, so you're getting a fresh, something
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: new here. James Jesus Ingleton was Walter Bosley's mentor's mentor
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: and our doc documentary JFK X talks about Mary pinchow
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: Meyer and how James Jesus Singleton was involved with that.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: And after Mary pinchroll Meyer was killed on the DC Towpath,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: she was supposedly shot to death. Right after that, James
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: Jesus Singleton broke into Mary Pinchrow Myer's house or her
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: apartment and stole her diary and like pretty much raided
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: her entire house, which is very similar to what happened
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: to Stanley Kubrick after he died. There were men that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: showed up to Stanley Kubrick's house that were basically raiding
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: his house and taking things out.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Well, do you think that the Mary Pinchow myerstuff was
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: connected to the LSD type experiments because she was close with.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: Supposedly him and her and JFK we were tripping LSD
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: at the White House.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right when she was tight with Learry. So that
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: kind of makes something that almost to makes sense.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: That might have been the calls for you know, JFK
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: to do.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's what's been theorized is that that's kind
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: of what gave JFK like a change of heart there,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: and he started, you know, not wanting to be involved
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: in these wars and not wanting to send funding to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: all these other countries and you know, prop up these wars,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: not wanting to support the Vietnam War, and i you know,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: the BAF pigs incident in Cuba. JFK famously pulled out
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: that whole thing, which then in turn, you know, pissed
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: off the CIA.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Sure why And that what Kathy O'Brien says in your
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: movie that that there's too much focus on the use
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: of LSD because LSD they found out in the in
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: these mk ulture style monarch program style operations, they found
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: out LSD was opening up neuropathways instead of closing them
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: when they wanted to close neural pathways in order to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: induce the trauma.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there were several drugs that were used within the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: mk ulture programs. We actually show a list of them
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: all in our documentary, and there's sure I think over
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: a hundred of them, everything from freaking nicotine to caffeine,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: to sugar, to antipsychotics, antidepressants, adderall rittilin math like any stimulant,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: any downer, and I think that LSD could be used
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: in a really intense way, just like I was mentioning
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: the army personnel earlier. It was a drug called b
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: Z which was one hundred times more powerful than LSD.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: And when that's applied and it opens up those neuron pathways,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: then you can infect effectively implant things that may or
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: may not be real into the subconscious of the patient
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: more easily because the mind is completely opened. You know,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: your doorway is open. So therefore you can put whatever
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: you want inside of the heads of those people. And
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: that's what you and Cameron was essentially doing in Canada
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: was he was traumatizing the patients, he was then drugging them,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: and then he was putting in a looped repeated audio
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: message to implant this thought in this idea into their head.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: And really nobody knows exactly what was on those looped
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: audio recorded messages, but it could literally be anything. But
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: what would be the more advanced version of doing that?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: You can do it with a looped audio message, Well
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: can you do it with a TV? Can you wheel
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: a freaking TV in there and do the same thing
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: and also give them audio and visual? Then what's the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: next step after that? The next step after that would
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: be virtual reality headset goggles. So you traumatize the patient,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: you drug them, and then you put these goggles over
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: their head that artificially simulates an entire reality and the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: person is not going to know if this is real
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: or this is fake.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Sure makes sense to me, the immersive experts into the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: VR goggles. Sure.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: I mean some people think that the VR goggles are
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: so real they don't even need to be drugged, you know.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: So imagine if you're on some sort of hallucinogenic drug
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: and you put on these goggles.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Sure, No, that's a good that's a good point. And
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I think the designer drug aspect of Kathy O'Brien's statements
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I thought were most. I took note of that the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: most because I do think it's designer drug, and I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: think things like GHB you know, the stuff that Diddy
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: allegedly was putting in all those those bottles of baby oil.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: I think stuff like GHB has been developed for these
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: purposes of of some minded you know, my control, you know,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: and planting of ideas. Do the hypnotics state that folks
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: are under you know, with that drug.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, GHB was used, Like and Sidney Gatliepot a brother
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: that was a plant biologist. So it stands the reason
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: that his brother was more than likely responsible for a
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: lot of the manufacturing of these CIA designer drugs. Like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: Kathy was talking about in the movie, like, let's just
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: try and whip up whatever we can to see what
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: kind of effects that these are going to have on
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: these uh, these these victims, you know, Like that's where
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: a lot of these drugs actually came from to begin with,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: before they were you know, given to the public. They
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: came from these experiments by the CIA.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. LSD was an accident, right.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: There's so much stuff. I mean, the one of the first.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Do something else though, right, Like he was aiming to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: do one thing and kind of messed it up, I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: guess is the story storyline because he was he was
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: riding his home home on his bike before he realized
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: maybe you have some more some more details in that rider.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: Well, there's a lot of different theories of exactly where
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: the LSD stuff came from. Some people say that he
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: came from like southern California and like Laguna Beach area.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: Others say that it came from overseas or you know,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: some idea like that. But the first manufacturer of LSD
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: in the United States, which was basically signed by the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: c i A and by the government to distribute the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: distribute LSD, which was Eli Lilly and Company. They also
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: were the first manufacturers of prozac as well, so.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: They beat so they beat out Sant Laboratories with the LSD.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Was the Eli Lilly.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: Yes, from from my understanding and from my research, uh,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: they they were the first manufacturers of LSD. Well, the
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: first people that had a contract with the government to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: manufacture LSD for the government. They might they may not
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: have been the first manufacturer of it ever, but they
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: were the first that had a government contract to manufacture
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: it for them.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. There was a comment about Albert Hoff
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: and that was the guy I was thinking of there
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: that you know, as the story goes, the legend goes,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: he accidentally synthesized LSD and believe is how the tale goes.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: And where was that? Was that in California or Hoffman?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I think I thought it was maybe a British fella.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Could be wrong. Yeah, he was always he was Swiss. Yeah,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: he wass He's allegedly the first to synthesize it. Whatever
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: that means, That's what I'm saying. So like even even
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: the original founder of BELASD, like, this is not a
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: natural element. This is a designer drug. It seems like
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: it's always seemed like that to me. The whey they
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: the way they phrase that, specifically, the synthesization of synthesizing
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: the drug.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense. And you know with them tinkering
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: with all these drugs and like all these freaking elixirs
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: and stuff, I mean for sure they're using mixtures of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: psilocybin and LSD and they're trying to make the LSD
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: even stronger. They're trying to make it so as I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: have been, even stronger, and they're just using a concoction.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: They're throwing a concoction together and see, you know what's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: going to happen.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, there's a really good document Stronger now today. Right,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: they've even engineered pot to a degree that, uh, for sure,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: it's kind of crazy.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: Is there anything else that you wanted to touch on,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: like some of the things that are on your documentary
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: that you haven't mentioned yet, right, Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: There's well, there's several things that we can really get into.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: They I mean, I have a whole slide thing here
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: of of all the continuity ours. I don't know if
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: I want to show it or not. People have been
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: complaining that I just keep showing the same thing over
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: and over again, so.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: They may not have seen it.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Can't make everybody happy, right, everyone's going to complain about something.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 7: I feel like, okay, well we can run through it
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: really quickly, just to give people an idea of exactly
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: what's going on.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: Let me throw this too, we never put up.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, let's watch, let's drop the trailer.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: All right, here we go.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: The buildings behind me with the headquarters for the World
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: War two Office of Strategic Service. It was here that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 8: the first halting steps toward mind control began.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: The ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: made another film. There's a film about my conco called
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: The Clockwork orn.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: The Shining is one movie that has really been put
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: through the ringer and one thing that people really don't
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: notice that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: What we see here is Stanley Kubrick trying to encode
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: anyone to know about it.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: Dubric has several references to Freemasonry in his films.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 7: hamprint on her ass.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 9: The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh filmed and there's elevens all
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest
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  Speaker 7: horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film?
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  Speaker 9: The Shining also is low to a sexual innuendo.
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  Speaker 7: The family is isolated up at the Overlook, which is
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: a perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: go down up there.
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  Speaker 1: Using mk ultra methods psycheatrically control assassin literally assassins.
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  Speaker 4: Experimental drugs including LSD were.
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  Speaker 2: Administered to human guinea pigs.
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  Speaker 8: The patients were never told that their treatment was part
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  Speaker 8: of a CI experiment.
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  Speaker 10: And there was this story which involves him spiking the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 10: drinks of one of his deputies, this guy Frank Olson,
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  Speaker 10: and he jumped out of a window.
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  Speaker 5: To his death.
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  Speaker 11: It's a demonic possession, you know. So it makes someone
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  Speaker 11: feel like they don't have any control over this etherical
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  Speaker 11: entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are
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  Speaker 11: imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for
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  Speaker 11: the actions.
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  Speaker 1: Stuts.
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  Speaker 3: We know what happened in the apartment that they had.
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  Speaker 7: There are many clues that point to the fact that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: this theory of what the shining is really about is
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: the correct theory.
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  Speaker 9: We think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: are kind of forcing a man to go off and
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  Speaker 9: kill his family.
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  Speaker 4: But what are we really watching here, Wendy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm home.
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  Speaker 7: Boom baby, nice man.
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  Speaker 2: The gripping trailer for sure. I like the audio at
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  Speaker 2: the end.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you. Yeah, we can go through these, uh these
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  Speaker 7: slides real quickly. I'll just kind of jump through them
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  Speaker 7: real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: Let's see here, so uh within the trailer, we already
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: already showed you this in the trailer. Whenever Jack stands
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: up in the ballroom for the gold Room. The second time,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: there's a lady that walks past. It looks like she
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: has a handprint on her ass. She's actually the one
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: that bumps into Grady here is carrying the tray which
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 7: then spills the alcohol on Jack, which looks very identical too.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: Later on with Tom Hanks in the movie Castaway, the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: same type of handprint is on the ball pretty must identical.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, good old Wilson and Castaway and Tom Hanks.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: You can get in all the freaking Tom Hanks stuff.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: And sure, but there's light switches that disappear within the Shining.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: Whenever Hollerin is giving a tour to Windy and Danny
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: throughout the Shining, there's a Then whenever Windy is dragging
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: Jack's body back into the storage room, there's a light
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: switch that is not there. It disappears, And then we
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: have ones that are appearing whenever Jack is going into
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 7: the office of Ollman. There's not a light switch underneath
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 7: the picture there. But later whenever he's going back in
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: to destroy the radio to prevent Wendy and Danny from
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: leaving their their peers, a light switch, which is crazy
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: This one is whenever we see the first establishing shot
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: of the hotel, there appears to not be amazed in
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: the background, but later on we obviously do know that
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: there's amaze, and people said, well, that's because there's not
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: amaze a Timberline Lodge and the exterior shots were shot
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: at Timberline Lodge, which they are correct. There's also not
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 7: amaze at the Stanley Hotel as well, though they have
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: put in a maze later on that's actually in the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: front of the hotel, but it's still a continuity air
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: because that's what a continuity ara is is things that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: are that does not tell a congruent story where things
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: change and mess up. So Cubri should have superimposed a
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 7: freaking maze and behind the hotel here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's I was gonna say. He could have used
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: the miniature, right, he used miniatures in films.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you get a superimposed amaze back there, but he didn't. Uh.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: This one's interesting because the tie. This is when people
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: have pointed out a lot before. It's not even in
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 7: our movie, but I think that is really interesting as
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: tie looks like the overhead shot of the maze, which
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 7: is kind of foreshadowing for Jack. This is one that
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: people have pointed out a lot throughout the movie. The
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: sticker disappears on Danny's door. It's a Dopey the Dwarf
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: from the Seven Dwarfs, and then whenever the doctor comes
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 7: to visit Danny, the sticker is then disappearing on this
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: this second quarter panel of this image down here. This
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: one's a dialogue era between Wendy and Jack. Wendy tells
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: the doctor that five that five months ago is when
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: Jack injured Danny's arm, and that was that was whenever
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: Danny starts, you know, talking with Tony, which Tony is
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: the entity that's supposedly in Danny's throat that he talks
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: to through his his finger, and Jack has been sober
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: now for five months. Later on, Jack tells Lloyd the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: bartender that the event happened three years ago. This one's interesting.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: This is cool lated on top of the fridge in
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: their apartment, which cool Ad also shows up later on
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: beside the tank, which could be in relation to the
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: Jim Jones incident that happened during the filming of The
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 7: Shining just two years prior to The Shining's release. Was
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: when the Jim Jones incident happened, and you can connect
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: the freaking MK ultra stuff directly to Jim Jones. This
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: is a clear plastic tarp in the background of the set.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: When Danny's driving his tricycle through the hotel, there's a
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: clear plastic sut tarp in the background. This one is
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: one that people have pointed out several times, which is
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: the chair disappearing behind Jack, and one shot of Jack,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: there's a chair and a coffee table that's right behind him.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: It cuts the Windy, cuts back to Jack, the chair
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: and coffee table is gone, and then it cuts to
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: Windy again and then back to Jack. This is all
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: in the same scene. Then the chair and coffee table
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: then reappears. This is one of the only reappearing continuity
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: airs through the entire movie. This one's interesting because this
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: is when Stuart Allman is talking to Jack and Jack
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: mistakenly says that five months of piece is just what
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: I want, when just what I need, When really it
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: would be seven months of peace that Jack would need.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: That that's the amount of time that they're going to
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: be up at the hotel, because the hotel is closed
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: for five months out of the year and open for
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: seven I mean open for five months out of the
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: year and closed for seven, So Jack would really be
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: up there and his family would really be up there
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: for seven months, but he says five months. This one
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: is a sexual win window with Jack and Olmen. Whenever
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: Jack first comes to meet Almond and do his interview
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: for the job, there's a paper tray on the desk.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: Jay Winer has pointed this out you several times, that
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: the paper tray on the desk appears that is giving
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: Almond a heart on. Another one is the teddy bear
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: that I was mentioning earlier in the background here, which
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: the fire truck ladder is sticking up, giving the appearance
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: that the teddy bear has a heart on. This is
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: the baseball bat that I was also mentioning earlier, with
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: the curtain in the background. When the doctor comes to
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: visit Windy, there's a cartoon care up here holding a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: baseball bat. And then later when Jack is going to
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: look at the model of the maze, there's a baseball
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: bat right there on the couch downstairs in the lobby.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 7: And then later on when he picks up the baseball
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: bat that's next to the teddy bear with the fire
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: truck sticking up, the fire truck ladder sticking up, but
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: given the appearance that the teddy bear has a heart on,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: that's where she picks up the baseball bat to later
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: strike Jack in the head with. This one's interesting. This
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: one is one that whenever Danny first sees Room two
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: thirty seven, there's a door that's closed to the right
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: of him, where this arrow is pointing in this top
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 7: right hand panel. Then it cuts the Room two thirty seven.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: You see the door and then back to Danny as
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: he's on his tricycle, and the door is then opened.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: This one is one the people have pointed out several times,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 7: which is the carpet changing patterns. When Danny stands up
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: in the hallway. It starts out as an open facing
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: hexagonal carpet pattern and then it changes to a closed
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: facing hexagonal carpet pattern, which people have said that Danny
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: just switched the the cubric turned him around on the carpet,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: which is probably true, but it's still a connuity or
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 7: everything is set up exact same way that that it was.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: All the cars are the exact same setting, the exact
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: same position, but the carpet he just turned Danny around
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: in the shot or moved him over one uh one
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 7: hexagonal carpet pattern over to create the the the clothes
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: facing hexagonal carpet pattern. This one's a foreshadowing by Cubic
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: that I was mentioning earlier, where Danny's leaning down a
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: teddy bear. Then you also have the teddy bear with
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: the that we just showed of with the fire truck
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: ladder sticking up. And then you have the teddy bear
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: with the gentleman is dressed up in a teddy Bear
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: costume supposedly performing oral sex on this gentleman on a bed.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: This is the tang that the astronauts have said to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: have used in the Apollo program. That was like the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: big Astronaut drink was tanged. It's right beside the kool
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: aid here, you know.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: So have the.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: The native American symbolism back here, the Paul eleven, which
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: was what Jay Wider. His first two films of Kubrick's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: Odyssey one and two basically talk about the Shining Bean,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: the confession of Stanley Kubrick from faking the moon landing.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: Danny stands up in the Apollo eleven shirt. The carpet
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: on the floor looks like the Apollo eleven launch pad
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: that get He goes in the room two thirty seven.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: During that time, people thought that room two thirty seven
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: was how far the moon was away from Earth. This
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: is the Shining toy story reference, Oh Wow toy story.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: The carpet is the same as the Shining carpet. Even
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: the paper is the Shining carpet. There's also a shining
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: scene in What's that Movie by? It was basically about
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: the AI. The AI wrote where they're playing a game.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: It was directed by Steven Spielberg. Ready Player one. There's
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 7: a whole shining scene in Ready Player one as well.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: I don't have a slide for that. But and then
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: the TV is not being seen to be plugged into anything,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: which could be Stephen King symbolically, you know, telling people
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: that the moon landing was indeed faked, because if it
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: was faked, then that would mean that it was pre
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: recorded footage. So it's almost like Windy and Danny here
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: are like just watching nothing on the TV. So also
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: kind of relates to the MK Ultra mind control because
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: that would be one of the largest mind control experiments
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: that was ever done. If the moon landing was the
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: footage was indeed faked. This one's a dialogue era between
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: Almond and Almond telling Jack that the previous caretaker's name
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: was Charles Grady, but later on when Jack meets Grady,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: he refers to himself as Delbert Grady. Two different Grady's.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: This one's for a really wild one, which is that
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: she was wrong with you. This isn't from the same scene, Okay,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 7: So Hollarin is giving Windy and Danny a tour of
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: the hotel kitchen area where she's going to be making
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: food and you know, providing food for Danny and and Jack.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: This is a part of the same scene. So when
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: Hallarin is opening this door right here, this is the
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: door handle is on the right hand side, right. So
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: the next scene is them inside of the freezer room here,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: and this is them exiting the freezer room. So not
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 7: only does the door handle change sides when they exit,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: is now on the left side, and the background is
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: completely different. This the top photo looks like it's a
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: background of like the kitchen area where they cook food,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: and there's like this this table here beside the door
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: that looks like it has plates and cups and stuff
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 7: on it. There's a blackboard in behind him. But whenever
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 7: the exit the freezer room, there's these twin double doors here.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: There's a fire alarm on the on the wall here
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: it looks like that there's a switchboard or maybe some
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: kind of you know, light switching is here, like the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: main frame light switch and this maybe this hazardous discard pile.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: And there's windows back here and looks like a mirror.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 7: It's a completely different set. It's a completely different set, sure,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: and that is a huge continuity or like he had
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: two different sets going on whenever they walked in to
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 7: the to the freezer room, when they walk out, it's
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: a completely different set. And now people have tried to say, well,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: he just switched the side that he was filming it from,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: but that doesn't make any sense. Even if you were
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 7: to switch the side that where you were shooting to
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: give a different perspective, that doesn't change the side that
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: the that the handle of the freezer.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: And the window next to the handle on one shot,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: and there's no window in their shot. So yeah, it's
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: clearly a different scene.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, this is the Beatles Abbey Road symbolism that
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: we were talking about and mentioning earlier that is almost
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: identical to the Beatles Abbey Road album artwork with a
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: beatle John Lennon's beetle in the background, and there's more
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 7: beetle symbolism. Stephen King's had a red beetle in his
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 7: novel Kubrick turned it into a yellow beetle, and then
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: when Haleren's on the way up to the hotel, there's
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: a red beetle crush underneath the eighteen wheeler. Stephen King
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: got the idea for naming the Shining after the John
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: Lennisong instant Karma. Wendy is reading the book by intelligence
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: officer a named J. D. Salinger called Catcher in the Rye.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: A month, well less than a year after this movie
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: came out, John Lennon was then assassinated. This one is
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 7: strange because it's a lamp shade. It's a lamp that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: whenever Wendy, whenever Jacket busted down the first door into
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: the apartment and Windy and Danny is running into the bathroom,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 7: there's a lamp on the table there that's crooked, and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: then when walks in it's straight. This one is a
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 7: really interesting one because this one is where the famous
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: scene of Jack breaking down the quarter panel of the
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: door to get into the bathroom to you know, essentially
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: murder Wendy. He is only seen breaking down the right
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: side quarter panel of the door and sticking his head
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: through and saying, here's Johnny. But then whenever he hears
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: holeran snowmobile pull up to the scene and the scene
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: cuts and it turns and he turns around, both sides
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 7: of the quarter panel of the door have been smashed out.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: This is this is a poster in the background whenever Danny.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: The first time Danny sees anything strange in the hotels,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: when the two twins appear in the game's room, he's
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 7: throwing darts at the dark board. He turns around and
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: there's the twins, and there's a poster in the background
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: that says Monarch. This is another one that people have
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: already pointed out several times, which is at the end
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: of the movie, when the shot feeds from a far
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: away shot to a close up shot of Jacket's seen
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: that Jack appears to have a tiny little Hitler mustache
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: in there in the background of the gold room. The
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: second time, well, the first time that they walk in
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: and almon is giving them a tour along with Bill Watson.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: Here in the back you can see a Nazi swastika
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 7: imprinted into the background of the gold room and at
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: his end of the presentation.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 9: Yea.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 7: And Bill Watson within the movie is a super strange character.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: He doesn't really seem to do much at all. He's
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 7: just kind of there. He's like an observer, and I
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: relate that a lot to Sidney Gottlieb within the I mean,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: they look almost identical as well to Sidney Gottlieb, But
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 7: there's very few photos of Sidney Gottlieb out there. It was,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: you know, kind of difficult to find any photos of them.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 7: There's only like one or two or three out there
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: that you can find, and already had them in the documentary.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 7: But it seems like Bill Watson is really the runner
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: of this experiment and this thing that's going down up
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: at the Overlook. And there's a whole ending to the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: shining that was completely caught out of the movie that
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 7: Kubrick filmed, that didn't make it into the actual movie,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: that really explains this entire thing and confirms our theory
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: of exactly what's going on up at the Overlook and
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 7: what Stanley Kubrick was trying to say within the movie
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: The Shining.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I was gonna if you didn't mention
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: that was definitely gonna mention that. You all definitely wrapped
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: it up great and uh I was totally unaware of
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: the alternate ending. So yeah, that was that was definitely
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: a good way to en the documentary.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: I thought, Yeah, it's so interesting. So basically at the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: end of this original ending, the cubric cut out, like
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  Speaker 7: Ollman comes into the hospital and is like, hey, you
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  Speaker 7: know what's going on here? What's happening? And they pretty
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  Speaker 7: much confirmed that it was a giant experiment that was
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  Speaker 7: ran up there. Then he throws Danny a tennis ball
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  Speaker 7: of that Jack was throwing against the wall, which was
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  Speaker 7: also the exact same tennis ball that inexplicably rolled toward
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  Speaker 7: Danny before he went into room two thirty seven. How
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  Speaker 7: did he know about that tennis ballure, how did he
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  Speaker 7: know that the tennis ball was even there, and how
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  Speaker 7: did he know to throw it to Danny?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Nice, great stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I never't noticed so much of that.
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  Speaker 6: You've seen continuity that you're talking about before in the movie,
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  Speaker 6: So you mentioned it I mean, I've seen him multiple times.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, that's pretty much all of the ones that
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  Speaker 7: I know about. And I'm sure that there's others that
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  Speaker 7: some people might be able to find or come up with,
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  Speaker 7: but those are like the main ones, and a lot
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  Speaker 7: of them people that had ever really noticed, and that
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  Speaker 7: comes from just watching this movie over and over and
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  Speaker 7: over again.
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  Speaker 2: So well with Kober being such attention to you know,
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  Speaker 2: not about attention to details as you all point out
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  Speaker 2: the film, with his recreation of the B fifty two
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  Speaker 2: bombers and whatnot in his previous films that alerted you know,
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  Speaker 2: Intel services. What What do you think his purpose was
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  Speaker 2: for all these continuity hers.
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  Speaker 7: I think the purpose was was to is to slowly
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  Speaker 7: drive the viewer into some form of also questioning their
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  Speaker 7: reality just as and go down this delusional aspect. Just
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  Speaker 7: as you know, Jack is also going down this rabbit
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  Speaker 7: hole of like delusion and psychosis and paranoia. I think
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  Speaker 7: that Kubrick is also wanting the audience to take this
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  Speaker 7: journey just as Jack is also. And it's subliminal, right,
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  Speaker 7: It's not something that's I mean, some of them are
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  Speaker 7: really in your face that you can notice on a
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  Speaker 7: first viewing, But some of the other ones are really subtle,
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  Speaker 7: and it's affecting your subconscious to give you this eerie
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: feeling like something is not right about this movie and
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: people can't really put their thumb on what's not right
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: about it? Why am I getting this creepy feeling? Why
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 7: is it eerie? Is it just the visual aspects? Is
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 7: it just the soundtrack and the music? I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: think that that definitely adds to it. But the continuity
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  Speaker 7: errors and the dialogue errors within the movie is affecting
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  Speaker 7: the subconscious of the viewer. Even if they don't notice it,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: it's still giving them this eerie, strange feeling that they
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: can't quite put their finger on. And this is what
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: keeps people coming back to this movie over and over
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: again and rewatching it over and over again. And that
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: is what is happening with Jack. He's also starting to
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: go into like these delusional, delusional aspects, and it makes
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: sense to me that that would be the reason why
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  Speaker 7: Kubrick is doing that. He's putting it in there. It's
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: another symbolic type of metaphor to make the viewer and
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: the audience's watching the movie to slowly start to question
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: their reality, just as Jack is starting to question his
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: reality and go down this rabbit hole of delusions within
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  Speaker 7: the movie.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's a great explanation. Runner. It makes a lot
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  Speaker 2: of sense. I've been kubrick mind fucked.
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  Speaker 5: N that's fine, and it does.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, there's always been this creepy aspect of the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: movie that people just can't put their finger on. They're like, oh,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 7: what is going on here? What's happening? Why am I
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 7: feeling really creepy about this entire thing? And I think
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: that that's exactly what's going on. And obviously the soundtrack
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: definitely helps. The soundtrack is very creepy, with the creepy
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: tones and the music that is used, and the visuals
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: as well, like the quick cuts from Danny and the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: Blood and the Elevator and the Twins and all that.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 7: It's it's very symbolic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's a.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, deeply layered, deeply layered film, I think for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Well, thank you, right, I mean, right, an hour and
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  Speaker 6: a half now, I figure maybe we could wrap it
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  Speaker 6: up here, and I'm sure you don't want to spill
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  Speaker 6: all the beans, so people go check.
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  Speaker 5: Out the movie, you know what I'm saying. So remind
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: everybody where they can please go find this if they
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: want to watch.
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  Speaker 7: You can find it on Amazon Prime, A Clockwork Shiny.
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  Speaker 7: spooky feels for Christmas. And thanks for having me on guys,
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  Speaker 7: of my work, I also have a show on YouTube
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  Speaker 7: appreciate it. I hope everyone has amazing holidays that are
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  Speaker 5: Thank you very much. I always always love having you
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  Speaker 5: on man, It's always a great talk. I love you work.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody please go check out his did put his
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: link tree in there, so I'm sure from there as
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: of now you could probably find a way to his documentaries.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 6: I'll throw in some links if I have to after
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: the fact. JJ please let everybody know real quick before
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: we wrap this up where they can find your work
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 5: And thank you very much for jumping on man. Please.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, appreciate the invite, rider, appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 2: Great great great movie. Love the new ideas and thoughts
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: that I got from watching it, and definitely enjoyed the guest. Yeah. One,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: they're a big fan of Joe Atwell's work. Mark Devlin
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: and I used to communicate quite frequently years ago when
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: he was he mentioned he was on a tour of
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon in twenty seventeen. I was like, oh, that's right.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: I used to talk about Laurel Canyon and some of
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: these kind of weird scenes inside the canyon ideas with
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Mark Devlin back around twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, because he
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: brought he brought me up to speed on the African
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Africa Bombada and the kind of the hip hop uh
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of nature that that look weird scenes
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: inside the Canyon, you know, into the hip hop community
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: because he was a DJ, and I was focusing on
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: the time on my Laurel Canyon series. So Delie Cross
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: passed with Mark. He has some great ideas too, So
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: there's definitely Ah and Walter Bossey. I you know, he's
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: brought some interesting things to my perspective. I caught his
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: show last week on on the Processed Church with Todd
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Wood and Dana from Rotting Jewels. You know, there was
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: a good, good show on some of those topics. But
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: he's always bringing some new stuff to the table if
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: it seems like relatively the conspiracy culture. So yeah, yeah,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: quite a lineup of folks in your movie. I was
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: quite impressed. But yeah, Deffe, recommend folks check that out
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: and appreciate both your gents times.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, thank you very much, thank you everybody in
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: the chat. That's what's up.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: I saw a lot of people over there from Writers
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 6: Channel and JJ's comment and too, because I can see
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: it in the stream yard.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate that.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: I'm glad everybody enjoyed it, and and thank you for
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: everybody that jumped in on my channel from the live section,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: that's what's up. I saw a lot of familiar faces
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: and that's why I do this. I'm glad you'll enjoyed it.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: And until the next one, everybody be well, well,