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How did Ariana Grande concert bomber go unnoticed? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh, and there was just this huge band.
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Speaker 1: So everyone just like looked at each other and there
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Speaker 1: was just a mad rush. All I could hear was screaming,
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Speaker 1: people crying. Of the twenty two people confirmed dead, police
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Speaker 1: say there are still a number that have not been identified.
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Speaker 1: With my daughter Olivia, I haven't sentner since five o'clock
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Speaker 1: last night. Many of the victims who did not make
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Speaker 1: it out were teenage girls, the youngest victim just eight
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Speaker 1: years old. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: attack stands out for its appalling sickening of cowardice, deliberately
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Speaker 1: targeting innocent, defenseless children and young people who should have
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Speaker 1: been enjoying one of the most memorable months of their lives,
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Speaker 1: lounging on the beat to with his buddies. A pothead
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Speaker 1: teen who goes on to massacre twenty two people at
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Speaker 1: an Ariana Grande concert. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa. He was
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Speaker 1: in the street chanting Muslim phrases, anti Western tirades. M
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Speaker 1: fifteen was onto him, but he was allowed to walk free.
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Speaker 1: I mean it, see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Why
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Speaker 1: did the concert bomber? Why was he walking free? Why
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Speaker 1: was he able to access mothers and daughters, many of
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Speaker 1: whom are still missing right now. Their family families don't
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Speaker 1: know if they're dead or alive. Why was he able
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Speaker 1: to walk free? Thank you for being with us. In
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Speaker 1: addition to our friends and the Duke, Alan Duke joining
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Speaker 1: me special guests Brian Levin, he is the director of
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Speaker 1: the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism, joining us.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand it, Brian, Why is he walking free?
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Speaker 1: And now I have to look at the pictures of
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Speaker 1: him high as a kite on pot with his buddies
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Speaker 1: on the beach, living it up prior to a slaughter
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Speaker 1: of twenty two people in a public arena at the
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Speaker 1: area on a grande concert. I mean, this guy who
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Speaker 1: detonates this bomb, killing twenty two had been out in
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Speaker 1: the street chanting Islamic dogma, anti Western hatred, spewing it
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Speaker 1: and now this and these little girls represented everything he
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Speaker 1: hated that a woman. Girls could be whoever they want
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Speaker 1: to be. They could dress how I want address, they
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Speaker 1: could spray paint their hair purple, they could have tattoos,
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Speaker 1: they can wear midge of shirts. They could dance and
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Speaker 1: sing in the public with their mothers and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that infuriated him. And now twenty two or did what happened? Brian?
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Speaker 1: Why was he walking free? That is a great question
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Speaker 1: and one that I think many people in England will
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Speaker 1: be asking. I can kill you right a minute, Brian.
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Speaker 1: Don't start with me by by turning my question into
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Speaker 1: a question. I'm familiar with that, and that is my
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Speaker 1: b s. I want to hear what you think is
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Speaker 1: the answer. Don't say, oh, good question. I'm sure a
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Speaker 1: lot of people want to know the answer to that. Yeah, me,
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Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know. Now you're
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Speaker 1: the director of the Center against Extremism, blah blah blah blah, big,
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Speaker 1: very important. I'm very impressed with your institute, by the way,
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Speaker 1: very impressed. Now give me the answer. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: the answer is that there are so many people in
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Speaker 1: Britain that are radicalized relative to the resources they have,
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Speaker 1: that they made a judgment call which turned out to
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Speaker 1: be fatally wrong. Brian. You actually are bringing me to tears,
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you why. I was all prepared
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Speaker 1: to disagree with whatever you were going to say, but
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Speaker 1: I remember a moment when I had been trying I
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Speaker 1: think it was a serial rape case. And I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: even bother to go into my actual office in the
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Speaker 1: d a's office. I would just get up, and I
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Speaker 1: was so worried about my evidence and my files and
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Speaker 1: my research that I would carry it with me wherever
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Speaker 1: I went. You know how you see flight attendants booking
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Speaker 1: it along the concourse and they have one of those
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Speaker 1: poll things and they have their bags on it. I
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Speaker 1: would stack up those plat white plastic mail mail baskets
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Speaker 1: and fill it with all of my files, you know,
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Speaker 1: like direct examination of cop number two, direct examination of
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Speaker 1: witness three, blah blah blah, research on how to get
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Speaker 1: this piece of evidence in the order of my all that,
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Speaker 1: and I would carry it with me during trials because
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Speaker 1: I did not want it tempered with by some unscrupulous
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Speaker 1: defense attorney. And I would just go straight into the
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Speaker 1: courtroom in the mornings, say you know, seven thirty, and
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Speaker 1: I would stay there until the end of the day
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Speaker 1: and leave. Okay, sorry, I'm getting to the point, Brian.
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Speaker 1: So I finished the trial, I come across from the
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Speaker 1: courtrooms to my office. Finally, after being on trial for
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Speaker 1: like three weeks, I opened my door and on my desk,
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Speaker 1: I had missed, like the grand jury of meet twice
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Speaker 1: a week. I had missed three weeks of grand jury
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Speaker 1: indictments and my share of those from my courtroom that
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Speaker 1: I was running. All these files were stacked up on
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Speaker 1: my desk so tall they had fallen over domino esque
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Speaker 1: and covered my whole desk and had fallen onto the floor.
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Speaker 1: There were so many new cases, and I was bone
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Speaker 1: tired from trying that case and dealing with all these
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Speaker 1: ladies had gone through and came in too, like a
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty brand new felonies for me to deal with.
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Speaker 1: So I was already Brian to say, that's b s.
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Speaker 1: You know, they need to X, Y Z, blah blah.
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Speaker 1: But you're right, Brian, there's too many of them and
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Speaker 1: not enough of us. I mean, but this guy, Brian
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Speaker 1: was screaming in the street. How can you ignore that?
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Speaker 1: And this is an issue that has come up again
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Speaker 1: and again. The folks involved in the Paris conspiracy were
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Speaker 1: known to the authorities and indeed part of a web
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Speaker 1: of extremism and criminality that had a root in the
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Speaker 1: French prison system. Our situation is not what what did
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Speaker 1: you just say? It has its roots in the French
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Speaker 1: prison system. What yes, Hey, you got a dummy down
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Speaker 1: from me. Okay, I'm just a trial lawyer. Okay, you're
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Speaker 1: the director of whatever it is is a very lost
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Speaker 1: center for the study of hate and extremism? Brian, what
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Speaker 1: do you mean this movement? And it would have been
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Speaker 1: longer if there were more administrators involved. Okay, now I
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Speaker 1: finally get to laugh this morning. But what do you
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Speaker 1: mean it had its roots in the French prison system.
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Speaker 1: This is a Libyan Britain, right, isn't he a British Libyan?
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I was using the example of
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Speaker 1: what happened in continental Europe to show that this is
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Speaker 1: not the first time that we saw individuals who were
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Speaker 1: familiar to the authorities, and indeed, with respect to UH
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Speaker 1: France and Belgium they were They were known to the
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Speaker 1: authorities for some time, but the ability to continue monitoring
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Speaker 1: these folks ended when they went for a while and
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Speaker 1: didn't do anything. There are all kinds of extremists that
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Speaker 1: are out there and the authorities in Britain, and you're
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Speaker 1: exactly right. He had traveled to Libya and now there's
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Speaker 1: a wider conspiracy. Apparently at least three more people have
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Speaker 1: been arrested, but as we hear, it takes about twenty
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Speaker 1: five to thirty people to truly monitor a suspect over
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Speaker 1: a course of time. And there are at least four
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Speaker 1: hundred people in Britain that they know about that they
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Speaker 1: believe to be dangerous who had so he traveled to
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Speaker 1: the Iraq Syria theater and came back. So they made
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Speaker 1: a judgment coll And here's the irony of it. The
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Speaker 1: British signals intelligence folks along with the British authorities, were
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Speaker 1: able to thwart a studying number of plots prior to
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Speaker 1: the Manchester attack, which was the worst terrorist attack to
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Speaker 1: hit Britain since two thousand and five, the seven seven attacks.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot, there's a lot of hand ringing
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Speaker 1: going on now. But I think the issue is what
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Speaker 1: kind of objective evidence did they have on this suspect
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Speaker 1: relative to all the others that they were monitoring. Yeah. Right,
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Speaker 1: their legal system is very similar to ours, and so
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Speaker 1: they have to have any do you know about law?
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Speaker 1: Im willing? What am I talking about? But so I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering if they thought that he was just you know,
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Speaker 1: a radicalized you know, bants out in the street, not
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Speaker 1: someone that would actually act. This guy, Salmon A Betty
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Speaker 1: wasn't once an innocent schoolboy. Just a few years before
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Speaker 1: he murdered twenty two people, including children just eight years old,
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Speaker 1: detonating a nail bomb and a giant arena venue where
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Speaker 1: Ariana Grande was playing to a packed house largely mothers
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Speaker 1: and daughters. You know, my my children listened to Ariana Grande.
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Speaker 1: They know who she is. Of course I did show
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Speaker 1: them the picture of her licking the donuts. Wasn't that
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Speaker 1: her alan licking the donuts? Think? Yes, she wouldn't get caught. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she has some controversy attached to her, that's true. Well,
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Speaker 1: licking the donuts is, you know, not the worst thing,
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Speaker 1: but you, Nancy Grace has gotten people in prison for
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Speaker 1: doing less than licking the donuts. This is Arianna Grande.
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Speaker 1: I showed the children the video of her looking the donuts.
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Speaker 1: They did not want to believe that was her, but
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Speaker 1: they finally gave in. But you gotta remember. They also
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Speaker 1: liked Justin Bieber until I showed them the picture of
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Speaker 1: him walking around where you can actually see his butt
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Speaker 1: crack okay and t ting in a What was that
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Speaker 1: in a pale and so I've tried to turn them
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Speaker 1: away from Justin Bieber. Okay, all that aside, Arianna Grande
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Speaker 1: a huge, mega success. People love her, my kids love her,
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Speaker 1: and so the arena is packed, is my point. This
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Speaker 1: guy goes from a boy at the Barnage Academy, a
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Speaker 1: boys school that catered mostly to Manchester's Asian community. He
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Speaker 1: played football, I guess there that's soccer. Seemed to be normal,
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Speaker 1: but a senior US intelligence official now claims members of
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Speaker 1: his own family he had worn police that he was dangerous.
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Speaker 1: How Bryant did he become radicalized? That is a great question.
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Speaker 1: When it appears we've seen certain certain milestones that exists
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Speaker 1: with respect to radicalization, and one of the things that
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Speaker 1: we're concerned about is over the years, the duration of
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Speaker 1: time where one goes from normality to radicalization really has
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Speaker 1: been compressed. Did you just say normality? Did you say normality? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Because isn't it normalcy? Am I either crazy one here?
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Speaker 1: Or is it actually Brian Levin he's a college professor.
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Speaker 1: He greats papers, greats term papers, so you might know
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Speaker 1: it's normalcy. A ward. I am so I am so
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Speaker 1: Let me get to my point. I think I speak
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Speaker 1: for many on this. I see this has happened in Britain.
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Speaker 1: I love Great Britain. I've taken the children there. You know,
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Speaker 1: we saved for two years to take them on a
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Speaker 1: trip to find Harry Potter. Okay, it was one of
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Speaker 1: the most wonderful things I have ever done. And it
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Speaker 1: hurts my heart to hear this because Britain is one
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Speaker 1: step away from the US. It's our closest ally and
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Speaker 1: my question in my mind is if this could happen
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Speaker 1: to this kid, could it happen into a U S kid,
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Speaker 1: Because now more and more US teen boys are getting radicalized.
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Speaker 1: They're getting radicalized over the internet, for Pete's sake, So
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Speaker 1: how did this happen? Brian? The US women have also
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Speaker 1: been radicalized as well. Yeah, yeah, you're right about that,
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Speaker 1: So how does that happened? We remember we met that
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Speaker 1: woman from Mississippi who with her with her boyfriend became radicalized.
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Speaker 1: I remember, I remember. But usually behind every bad woman
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Speaker 1: there's an even worse man. Okay, I'm just putting that
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Speaker 1: out there. Oh my gosh, I am not even gonna
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Speaker 1: Oh my Alan, I think that's for you to address this.
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Speaker 1: You're not going to touch it because you know it's true,
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Speaker 1: my man. But now we get back to this, how
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Speaker 1: did this kid get radicalized? You're rulling it up now,
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Speaker 1: and you know, it appears to be part of a
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Speaker 1: wider conspiracy. So there, I think there was there were
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Speaker 1: a few markers that we are seeing in this case
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Speaker 1: or or somewhat representative the template that we routinely see
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Speaker 1: with this kind of horrendous attack, and and that is
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Speaker 1: we have someone who was not born elsewhere but was
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Speaker 1: born in Britain. I think that's interesting. His parents were
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Speaker 1: from North Africa and they were right, and there were
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Speaker 1: travels back there. What else do we know about Libya? Look,
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Speaker 1: Libya has been a new hotbed for some time for ISIS.
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Speaker 1: If people remember there were Christian Egyptian Christians Coptics who
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Speaker 1: were beheaded on the beach in Libya. ISIS has had
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Speaker 1: a presence in Libya for some time. Okay, guys, I
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Speaker 1: want to bring something up right there that you said,
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Speaker 1: nobody ever talks about Christians being mistraded and murdered and persecuted.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but is happening, and it is
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Speaker 1: happening now. We did. We had a front page, we
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Speaker 1: had a front page column about it, that it is
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Speaker 1: happening now in a terrifying way, because um, the Christians
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Speaker 1: of the Middle East are being cleansed. And when I
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Speaker 1: say cleansed, I don't mean in a good way. Murder, Yes,
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Speaker 1: in places like Iraq, in places in North Africa. This
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Speaker 1: is a tragedy that certainly needs more reporting. And what
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Speaker 1: we are seeing is the de christianization of many parts
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Speaker 1: of the Middle East, where there has been a presence
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Speaker 1: of Christians obviously for two thousand years. This is deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 1: I'm very very disturbed by it because you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: I really believe that there are a few groups that
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Speaker 1: it's still okay to make fun of, you know, and
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Speaker 1: one of those groups is Christians. I guess people think
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Speaker 1: that Christians have become such a majority in the US
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Speaker 1: that it's okay to take potshots at them, when the
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Speaker 1: reality is that in other parts of the world they
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Speaker 1: are being slaughtered, slattered, you know, if you ask, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: if you ask, people think that the last time Christians
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Speaker 1: were slaughters when they were fed to the lions and
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Speaker 1: the you know, the Roman arenas. No, no, it's happening
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Speaker 1: right now. Look at the bombings just this year in Alexandria,
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Speaker 1: in Egypt, and the slew of of church attacks that
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Speaker 1: have taken place in a variety of places that have
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Speaker 1: been under the control of ISIS, and then prior to that,
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Speaker 1: during the civil war in Iraq, Iraq was nine Christian.
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Speaker 1: Lebanon similarly had a very vibrant Christian population. So this
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Speaker 1: kind of theological warfare that has taking place within North
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Speaker 1: Africa and the Middle East is of great concern to us. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is where I come from on this. My viewpoint
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Speaker 1: is that according to what I believe, we are to
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Speaker 1: hate no one. We are not to hate Christians, nonbelievers, uh, Muslims,
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Speaker 1: no one are we to hate or hold in contempt.
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Speaker 1: So I don't understand how radical Islam What do they
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Speaker 1: hope to gain? For instance, isis and this is not
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Speaker 1: all Muslims. But what is their goal, the radicalized Muslim
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Speaker 1: What is their their point of slaughtering? I don't. I
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Speaker 1: don't is that to annihilate all non Muslim until they
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Speaker 1: are the only people left in the world? Is that
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Speaker 1: the goal for these radicals? They believe that what they
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Speaker 1: are doing is an act of religiously ordained, legitimate revenge
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Speaker 1: for violence and deprivations that they perceive has been caused
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Speaker 1: by the West. How did we how are we responsible
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Speaker 1: for that? I obviously don't concur in that analysis, but
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Speaker 1: they would say, look, there are women and children being
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Speaker 1: slaughtered in various places in the world, and they connected
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Speaker 1: to either regimes that have had Western support or regimes
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Speaker 1: that they'll say had Western support, and therefore we are
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Speaker 1: responsible as well or military actions that we have taken
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Speaker 1: place in various parts of the world. Any time that
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Speaker 1: there is any time that there are civilian casualties that
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Speaker 1: emanate from an Allied strike somewhere, that is posted all
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Speaker 1: over the internet. So they have a series of countries
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Speaker 1: and leaders who they regard as enemies, and the United States, Britain, France,
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Speaker 1: Australia and others are stereotyped as legitimate targets for aggression.
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Speaker 1: That being said, there has certainly been conflict in the
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Speaker 1: Middle East and various Allied countries have been involved in that. Brian,
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Speaker 1: the reason I ask is that people in America wonder,
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Speaker 1: why are we in this mess? What what do we
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Speaker 1: have to do with isis? And I understand the question.
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Speaker 1: I understand the thinking because you know, it seems so
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Speaker 1: are removed from us. It's the whole world aways on
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Speaker 1: the other side of the world. Well, what happened in
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Speaker 1: the Manchester Arena is not on the other side of
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Speaker 1: the world. It's just across the pond, as they say,
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Speaker 1: as they refer to it, and that's where our jurisprudence
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Speaker 1: system was birthed, is in England, and this is really
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Speaker 1: hitting close to home. Britain now on lockdown, the British
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Speaker 1: Army sending one thousand soldiers to guard Buckingham Palace. Parliament
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Speaker 1: has been closed to the public. Changing of the guard
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Speaker 1: is canceled as the area on a grande concert symbolizing
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Speaker 1: everything the radical Islamist hate, has drawn focus to the
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Speaker 1: brewing hatred that has erupted in now multiple deaths. I
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Speaker 1: don't understand alan how within an arena, an enclosed, you know,
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Speaker 1: somewhat contained crime scene as large as it is, that
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Speaker 1: there are still people missing, that they can't find everyone.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand that. How can that be? It's because
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Speaker 1: it was a bomb blast. It was a blast and
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Speaker 1: it takes a while for them to identify everybody. By
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Speaker 1: the way, this was not actually inside the arena. This
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Speaker 1: was outside in the four yer near the box office,
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Speaker 1: as people were leaving behind, and the bomber knew that
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Speaker 1: people would be leaving at ten thirty at the end
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Speaker 1: of the show, and just waited there as people were
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Speaker 1: going to walk to the train station Victoria stations right there,
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Speaker 1: just waited and exploded outside the perimeter of security when
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Speaker 1: everybody thought that it was all over. But I have
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Speaker 1: been in a bomb blast. It took a long time
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Speaker 1: for them to identify everybody after the Oklahoma City bombing.
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Speaker 1: It takes a while, and we were only two days
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Speaker 1: into this. Here's one person that was never identified. There
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Speaker 1: was a leged that was found, and they don't know
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Speaker 1: who who would belong to a boot. They found a boot,
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Speaker 1: So it takes a while. So the people and women
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Speaker 1: and daughters they're looking for could actually be are you
24:51
Speaker 1: saying body parts at this juncture, or they could be
24:54
Speaker 1: in a hospital just not yet identified, either a in
24:57
Speaker 1: the morgue, or be in a hospital bed uncon just
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Speaker 1: in a coma with no idea, with not exactly There
25:04
Speaker 1: could have been children that were leaving the venue and
25:08
Speaker 1: they were supposed to meet their parents at a predetermined location.
25:11
Speaker 1: Because of the blast, the parents were not able to
25:15
Speaker 1: meet the child. The child could be unconscious and picked
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Speaker 1: up by Good Samaritans, taken to a hospital with no
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Speaker 1: identification as the parents are worried to death about what's
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Speaker 1: going on with their children. It's just the worst case
25:29
Speaker 1: scenario of any parent. Another thing that happened, Brian, and
25:33
Speaker 1: you're not kidding. Did you know that a UK the
25:37
Speaker 1: UK border checks have now been called a quote shambles
25:41
Speaker 1: because now we know this suicide bomber traveled to is
25:45
Speaker 1: the strongholds Syria and Libya before being able to come
25:50
Speaker 1: straight through back to Britain, and there are hundreds of
25:55
Speaker 1: people who have traveled to that area who may have
25:59
Speaker 1: gotten trained. So not only did and again the British
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Speaker 1: press is reporting that not only did he travel to Syria.
26:07
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not only to Libya but to but to
26:10
Speaker 1: possibly Syria as well. I I don't have confirmation of that,
26:13
Speaker 1: but that's what's that's what's being reported. But which brings
26:16
Speaker 1: us back to the excellent point that you had brought up,
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Speaker 1: which is that there are literally hundreds of folks that
26:24
Speaker 1: have done that and Britain has actually up to now
26:29
Speaker 1: if for those of course you have, but for perhaps
26:32
Speaker 1: your listeners who have not been following this because it
26:34
Speaker 1: would be on page A sixteen was there have been
26:37
Speaker 1: a series of ghastly plots in Britain that were successfully
26:42
Speaker 1: broken up by British authorities. What happened is they had
26:48
Speaker 1: made judgment calls. And what we don't know are who
26:51
Speaker 1: are all the rest of the folks that they're looking
26:53
Speaker 1: at and what are all the other plots that we
26:56
Speaker 1: haven't been told about that have been interdicted relative to
27:00
Speaker 1: this one? Right, and there's limited resources. Yes, you're right,
27:04
Speaker 1: you're right, there's men. There are many plots that have
27:07
Speaker 1: been stopped by the police. A friend of the bomber
27:13
Speaker 1: said that he had just come back from a three
27:16
Speaker 1: week trip to Libya, which is of course in Isis hotbed,
27:21
Speaker 1: just a few days ago, that he continued to make
27:25
Speaker 1: repeated trips there he was never stopped. It was also
27:29
Speaker 1: learned that he traveled by train from London to Manchester
27:33
Speaker 1: on Monday before the bombing, and that many people believe
27:39
Speaker 1: that he is nothing more than a mule, that he
27:42
Speaker 1: was given the bomb by an unidentified bomb maker. Now
27:47
Speaker 1: there is a French minister, Gerard Colombe, that has stated
27:53
Speaker 1: that the bomber is believed to have traveled to Syria
27:56
Speaker 1: and had proven links with isis what it makes me
28:00
Speaker 1: wonder who else helped this happen, Who created the bomb?
28:05
Speaker 1: He very likely did not create the bomb himself, so
28:09
Speaker 1: who else is responsible? That's what I want to know.
28:11
Speaker 1: I think you make an excellent point, and that was
28:12
Speaker 1: one that I said yesterday, which is it's not impossible
28:18
Speaker 1: to make a bomb by oneself. For instance, Uh, the
28:22
Speaker 1: Sarnaia brothers did, but they you know, they had gone
28:25
Speaker 1: back at Chesnia, and you know, we we know that
28:29
Speaker 1: that they had met with various extremist folks. What kind
28:33
Speaker 1: of training they got, uh is not entirely clear. But
28:37
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, here's here's the scary thing. I
28:40
Speaker 1: I agree with you and I and I said this.
28:42
Speaker 1: I think this looks like a a more of a
28:46
Speaker 1: conspiracy here, because you usually have someone with with a
28:50
Speaker 1: device like that, someone who who makes it, and then
28:53
Speaker 1: someone who gets the person to the scene, and there
28:55
Speaker 1: might have even been somebody else. Now this is not
28:59
Speaker 1: what's been reported, so we just don't know at this point.
29:02
Speaker 1: The initial reports say that he blew up the I E. D.
29:05
Speaker 1: But it's not inconceivable that even someone else did it
29:09
Speaker 1: who was in the area remotely. I don't think we
29:11
Speaker 1: have evidence of that. But the bottom line is is it?
29:14
Speaker 1: In these kinds of instances, I think we have to
29:17
Speaker 1: look bigger rather than smaller. I'm not saying a huge
29:21
Speaker 1: number of people necessarily, but certainly, uh it it appears
29:27
Speaker 1: more likely that it would be um A a contained conspiracy.
29:32
Speaker 1: We have different uh structures. We have directed cells, UH,
29:39
Speaker 1: we have autonomous cells, duos and and loaners, and this
29:45
Speaker 1: to me looks like some kind of enabled cell. But
29:50
Speaker 1: again it's far too early, uh for for this kind
29:53
Speaker 1: of definitive speculation. But that's something that's going to be
29:57
Speaker 1: in the template of investigators and in the United States. UH.
30:03
Speaker 1: When then Director Comey just this month testified before Congress, UH,
30:11
Speaker 1: it sounded to me like he was saying there were
30:14
Speaker 1: not about nine dred to a thousand folks that were
30:18
Speaker 1: being monitored, although there are that it might be twice
30:22
Speaker 1: that here in the United States and in all fifty
30:25
Speaker 1: states in the US. The reason we are talking about
30:31
Speaker 1: this now is not just because our hearts are mourning
30:36
Speaker 1: for the victims in Manchester, but because it is one
30:41
Speaker 1: step away from the US. As Brian Levin has just
30:45
Speaker 1: pointed out, nearly double that number of potential radicalized terrorists
30:54
Speaker 1: are being monitored on the US distinction, which gives me
31:00
Speaker 1: a little comfort and and and that, because I do
31:03
Speaker 1: believe we're going to be hit again. But here's the thing.
31:06
Speaker 1: The problem in Europe that makes it more acute is
31:11
Speaker 1: exactly what you pointed to, and that is, yes, we
31:14
Speaker 1: have people that are radicalized, and we have people that
31:17
Speaker 1: are being networked through the Internet. Indeed, we saw that
31:21
Speaker 1: with respect to our community in the Inland Empire of California,
31:24
Speaker 1: we had a set of Facebook plotters who are going
31:27
Speaker 1: to travel to Afghanistan and murder American soldiers. That was
31:33
Speaker 1: broken up, and interestingly enough, the fear of that investigation
31:38
Speaker 1: caused said Farruke, and Enrique Marquez said Faruk who hit
31:42
Speaker 1: our community Sanburn to put on hold their plans to
31:47
Speaker 1: attack our local community. He later carried that out a
31:51
Speaker 1: few years subsequent. But the bottom line is that it's
31:54
Speaker 1: not that we don't have radicalized folks. But here's what
31:57
Speaker 1: I don't think we have. We don't have the issue
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Speaker 1: with regard to assimilation to the same degree that exists
32:05
Speaker 1: in Europe. The other thing is we do not have
32:08
Speaker 1: nearly the number Mr. Director of the Center for Study
32:19
Speaker 1: of Hating Stremism when you say a similar to the
32:22
Speaker 1: second point, and then you can attack me anyway. You
32:24
Speaker 1: can even explain the first point. I'm not attacking, but
32:27
Speaker 1: you can't just throw out on the second point is
32:31
Speaker 1: we do not have nearly the number of people that
32:34
Speaker 1: have traveled in theater, gotten trained, and come back that
32:38
Speaker 1: they have in Europe. So while we do have radicalized individuals,
32:43
Speaker 1: their support system and incubation system is much more attenuated
32:49
Speaker 1: here in the United States than it would be in Europe,
32:52
Speaker 1: where we have criminal syndicates. We also have people who
32:55
Speaker 1: are ferreting these folks into and out of theater. That
32:59
Speaker 1: is serial act that we don't have here in the US. Nancy,
33:03
Speaker 1: would you like for me to translate? No, I'm gonna
33:05
Speaker 1: put it in. And I was just waiting for him
33:07
Speaker 1: to take a breath before I jumped in. I think
33:10
Speaker 1: what he's trying to say, and a nutshell is that
33:16
Speaker 1: our homegrown terroorists here have a harder time, as he said, assimilating,
33:20
Speaker 1: which means they don't blend in as easily here in
33:25
Speaker 1: the US. They do blend in better here. Can I
33:27
Speaker 1: finish where the melting pot here? I'm cutting both of
33:32
Speaker 1: your mis She's cutting our mikes, Brian, you know what
33:36
Speaker 1: I'm going to end it on this Our hearts are
33:39
Speaker 1: broken for Britain, and yet in fear and vigilance of
33:44
Speaker 1: the next step here in America, on us soil, all
33:49
Speaker 1: I can say is God bless Britain and God bless America.
33:54
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