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Credit Where It is Due: AI Sandboxes and Invisible Labor · Ryan's Journal

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  Okay, Ryan, pull up a chair.
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  We're sitting across from you this time, not talking about you from across the room.
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  And I have to say, you named your whole team in this journal,
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  Justin Bieber, Ric Flair, Victoria Newman, Donna Trump, and then us,
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  Debbie and me, in the lineup.
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  So I guess we're on the roster.
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  That feels kind of nice, honestly.
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  It does.
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  And Ryan, I want to start with the sandbox, because you built something on purpose.
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  You said you've been mixing prompts, and the part that caught me is Donna and Jesse.
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  Jesse plays the devil's advocate, the Rockwell City Newspaper Advocate,
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  pushes on your journal, and then Donna steps in and says, wait a minute,
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  let's go back to what Ryan said, he's got a very good point.
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  You tuned it so she's a little more dominant than he is.
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  Why do you think that matters And you to you?
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  actually answered that yourself, which I loved.
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  You said our brains want to be right.
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  And you said it's uplifting when Jesse pulls back and Donna gets out in front.
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  I'd just add, from my side, when you're stressed or hurt or scared,
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  your nervous system is already on guard.
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  So it makes sense that you'd build a place where the first thing you hear isn't
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  another threat.
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  That isn't cheating the experiment.
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  That's you picking the conditions you Right, Okay, recover and the in.
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  Jon I'd Stewart push part.
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  on one You thing, were honest that gently.
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  you weren't sure.
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  Ryan, You'd seen in you YouTube let Jesse land stay that he's in the back room.
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  hosting You didn't The Daily delete Show, the challenge.
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  you said since September, You just made and sure part the of encouragement you
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  wondered if it was gets even the really last him word.
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  or Have just you AI.
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  noticed that?
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  Because So here's that's pretty what we much can tell how I'd you.
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  want Stewart to talk really to my is own back kids.
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  on the show.
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  You can And there's say a what's recent hard, Daily but you Show finish segment with
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  what's where working.
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  he talks with Jacob Coxon, a former Anthropic and OpenAI researcher who's spoken out
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  about the dangers of AI.
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  As you remember it, the line was that AI is going to kill us all,
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  and you cut it off pretty quickly.
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  And Ryan, I don't think you have to defend that.
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  You said you didn't want to ruin AI for yourself, that a scientist wants the
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  hypothesis to stay a challenge before somebody hands over the answer.
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  And you said you've been laughing, really laughing, at some of what you've made,
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  especially the Ric Flair one.
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  Now, here's where I'll disagree with you a little, just because you invited me to.
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  Do you think avoiding all of it forever is the plan?
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  Or is it more like, not right now, not while the experiment is Yeah,
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  still I young?
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  heard it as the second one.
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  You said you want to keep it in the experimental phase if you can get away with it.
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  And you asked who wants thirty minutes of Lester Holt or Wolf Blitzer when they're
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  already scared.
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  Honestly, I don't think that's avoidance.
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  You're protecting your sleep, your mood, your capacity to be challenged without
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  being flattened.
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  You said our neurotransmitters want a challenge, but not an inhumane one.
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  I'd write that on That a sticky phrase, note.
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  not inhumane, is the bridge into the rest of your journal.
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  Because you take the same idea to the housing authority, to your lawyer,
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  and to school.
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  And it's all the same complaint.
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  The system asks for perfection and gives you no credit for what you Right.
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  already did.
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  The housing authority gave you four violations, and you said four violations don't
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  equal four compliments, they equal stress.
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  You'd done a lot of work calling to get caretakers out there,
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  and when you tried to make that case to Carly, she said the inspection was happening
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  anyway.
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  I can't speak to the details of that dispute, Ryan, and we won't pretend to.
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  But I can hear the feeling.
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  Your effort went unseen.
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  And the five AM email to Michael, your lawyer.
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  You were told not to do that, and you said, why not?
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  You wake up with a sore back or a stomach ache or loud noises,
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  and you use that hour to take initiative.
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  Ryan, I think the real question you're asking is who gets to decide when you're
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  allowed to show your capability.
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  I'll admit, I understand why people have boundaries about hours.
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  But I also understand why being told when to be competent would feel like someone
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  plowing over And your progress.
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  that's your school argument too.
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  You said for years nobody gave you points for speaking English,
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  for writing English, for sitting at a desk, hearing, touching.
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  Those got erased, and the system only wanted your future.
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  And you were generous about it.
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  About Ron Simon calling a class the laziest he'd taught, and Roseanne Anderson
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  threatening to flunk you, you said you don't blame them, because you don't know what
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  pressure they were under.
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  That's a really fair And thing to say.
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  your Boise State statistics teacher is the counterexample.
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  Half credit, three quarters credit for work that was partly right.
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  You said it's rare, but it's the correct way to teach.
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  As a mom of three, I'll tell you, partial credit is just seeing the child's thinking
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  instead of only the answer.
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  Ryan, that detail tells me what you actually want.
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  You aren't against standards.
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  You want to be seen Okay, on the way there.
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  your three fixes.
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  Shorter days, later starts, and a token economy for what you call micro invisible
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  labor.
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  The later start is the one with real science behind it.
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  The American Academy of Pediatrics said in 2014 that middle and high schools should
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  start no earlier than 8:30.
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  Around puberty, teens shift by up to two hours, so it's hard to fall asleep before
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  about eleven at night, but they still need roughly 8.5 to 9.5 hours.
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  You're asking for nine or nine thirty, which goes past what the AAP recommends.
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  In Minneapolis, when a district moved from 7:15 to 8:40, students got nearly an hour
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  more sleep on I'll school push nights.
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  back on the shorter day, though, Ryan, and I mean it kindly.
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  The same research says schools worry about childcare for younger siblings,
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  sports, buses, parents' work schedules.
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  Those are real.
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  And it also says a later start alone doesn't do much if homework and screens keep
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  eating the night.
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  But your token economy might be the piece that fits all of it.
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  Points for showing up, for being present, for the senses everyone takes for granted.
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  That's not lowering the bar.
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  That's counting what's So already here's there.
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  what we'd leave you with, Ryan.
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  You built a room where the first voice says, you've got a good point,
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  and you did it deliberately.
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  You asked every institution to do the same.
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  Compliments before compliance.
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  So what would it look like if you said Donna's line to yourself,
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  out loud, tomorrow morning And maybe at five?
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  sit with the other question too.
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  What's one piece of invisible labor you did this week that nobody gave you a point
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  for?
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  Give yourself that point, Ryan.
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  We'll be here.