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Ep 14 Chat with Dr. Maribel Nelson · Beyond the Green Bibs

• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: Hi and welcome to Beyond the Green Bibs.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am Annie, a cattle vet, farmer, mom of two boys, and business owner with passions involving agriculture and personal finance.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: I am on a mission to inspire and encourage women who want to be involved in large animal medicine and also be a mom and so much more.
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  SPEAKER_02: I believe we as women can create a community to provide support to other women as we build a life filled with gratitude and purpose.
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  SPEAKER_02: So whether you are in the vet truck on your way to a farm call, a mom running the kids to school, a gal that loves animal agriculture, or heck, all of the above.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for joining me.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: And let's roll on with today's conversation.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to another episode of Beyond the Green Bibs.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Dr.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: Annie.
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  SPEAKER_02: And today I have one of our final interviews from AAB of 2025.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we are wrapping up the show there.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: And this interview is a little bit longer, but please take the time to listen to it because this was an awesome interview.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I had the opportunity to speak with Mirabel, and she is from Brazil, and she shared her story, and I had her talk a little extra long because coming from another country, becoming a veterinarian there, and then coming to the United States and working through all of the hoops and things to become a veterinarian licensed in the US is very hard.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I knew there were a lot of things that you had to do and things to complete, but I did not realize how difficult and how challenging and just like the time that it takes in order to get her her license here in the United States.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: So she was in Brazil, not from a farm, but fell in love with livestock and worked with swine there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then she's been in the United States now for, well, 10 years.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: And our interview was nine, but it's 10 years now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she shares just about these intense requirements that she's working through to get her US veterinary license.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: And as I've been doing, I have a couple little tidbits that she shared that really resonated, and I wanted to at least give a little peek into our conversation with those.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: So the first thing she said is we have to have confidence as a young individual, as a woman individual going into livestock medicine.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: We've we've got to be confident, we've got to stand up for ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one thing she said was put your big girl pants on, do what you gotta do, do your best, and then if we fail, we can try again tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that is a really, really good piece of advice for everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then another thing that she said that I feel like maybe as we are in the United States, we kind of have a little bit of this entitled feeling.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's a little too strong of a word, but it it almost seems like um maybe we feel a little bit entitled.
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  SPEAKER_01: And her coming from another country, she really made this statement very clear and very important that that she did say it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in in my mind, um, you know, that resonates as there were a lot of people who applied to veterinary school, and there are only so many seats in the class.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so many people were turned away from being able to follow that dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully they came back the following year to try again, do some things different to really boost their application and that sort of thing, but we don't tend to value what we what we got from just getting a seat in vet school.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so find the positives, which we've said that in another, you know, very different various different ways in other conversations, but she said to really value what what you have gotten from veterinary medicine to take that pause and realize there are a lot of other people who have wanted to take this career path, and for whatever reasons, things have happened, life has happened, and they were unable to do it, they were not accepted into the program.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: The list can go on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, what an accomplishment and what a gift to be able to pursue the dream of large animal veterinarian in the United States, where it's a whole lot easier for us to get our license than it is for other folks coming from other countries to join us, um, but to to be grateful.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so with that, I will stop talking and go ahead and get into our interview.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you enjoyed this interview, please like, comment, share, and so that we can build our community here of women in large animal medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I am at the AABP conference, that's the American Association of Bovine Practitioners.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone here is a Calvet.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Woohoo! And we are in Omaha, Nebraska.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Today I have the pleasure of speaking with Maribel, and we are gonna hear her story, and I'm just really looking forward to our conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad to be sharing a little more of me.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um, my name is Maribel Nelson.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm originally from Brazil.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I grew up in South Brazil, so I graduated in Brazil 2007, uh, so 18 years ago.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I married the American in 2016.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I ended up in the US.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we have um uh almost five-year-old daughter, Joy, uh, my husband Stan, and he is family originally from Kansas City, well from South Dakota, but he grew up in Kansas City, and we have uh we are in um living in um Arkansas for the last three years.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um I teach at University of Arkansas in Montcello.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but coming to US, um I work, um I worked as a bed assistant in the beginning to figure out what I was doing, and and then end up in SIBA by a mune with uh poultry um and an experimental farm they had in Kansas as a supervisor, and then um ended up the opportunity.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, had a break for being my mom, uh had a two-year break um to have joy, and and then we end up in Arkansas in 2022, so we we're there now.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, okay, so you've already got me rolling here.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, that's that's awesome.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's awesome.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: One question that I kind of want to just put the timeline here.
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  SPEAKER_01: You came to the US when 2016.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, when and when you got married, I met yeah, I met 15 and Mary 16.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and so you have been in the US for nine years, and you've had several different positions.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, okay.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and now so now you are professor of animal science.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Animal science.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and you got the position in 22?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you've been teaching for three years.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm starting my fourth year now.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, okay, awesome.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, just wanted me to kind of get our get our timeline here.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we I graduated in 2007 and um went directly to the swine industry in Brazil for 10 years.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: So that was how everything started.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my internship in that school, my last year was in a poultry slaughterhouse with um production and a processing plant.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then I ended up being hired by that company and then stayed for the swine plant in another state, and then that's when I stayed in swine for 10 years before moving to here.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why my food animal background started in swine, went to a little poultry, and then now we have um a commercial beef cattle farm on campus, is where I helped the manager there.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's 120 head of a cowcalfiguration and uh beef masters.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, 60% have registered, beef master, 40% commercial, and that's why I'm involved with a kettle now for the last three years.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, and that's awesome.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: I love beef, I need it.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh heck yes, yes.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: One question I had is going back in time here, yes, when you were in Brazil growing up before vet school, what was your experience?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you you're you ended up out of school doing swine.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Did you grow up with swine, or what kind of animals did you grow up with?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Dogs and cats.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: So my um, so my family, my hometown is border for Argentina, so I'm a very far south from Brazil, close to Uruguay.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: So my family was just a middle low class, it is a middle class family that um only my mom would rescue dogs and cats, and that's how I my dad never liked too much cats, but he after us he ended up loving cats, so we we would hide cats and you know take home.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And but that was small animals, of course.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: So when I wanted to be a vet, I wanted small animals, I never had even like a little connection with uh large animals, but that was one reason why I want to be in med school because I want to have more access to other animals that I didn't have in real life.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so then um during med school, I changed several times direction, but I was fully engaged on the teaching hospital, so I was a volunteer for everything.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, oh, there's a dog, I have a seizure 24 hours, we need somebody to just watch this dog.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: They always go sleep on the side of the kennel.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, like that was I was the one that never would uh run away from volunteering stuff, and then end up getting uh I got um I worked with uh several small animals professors and experimental surgery and uh clinical pathology.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: I was the um the um what does it call the mentoring for clinical pathology um or tutoring, and then at the end of the uh the uh course when I was ending college, basically the agri industry were desperately looking for good in terms and they did um selections and they were paying very very well, and I was like, um money money was in Brazil is money does not go well as much as here, so the industry is where the money was, so that's when I end up uh yeah, I need to go because I could not I could not I would not be able to practice or have my own practice um with the conditional financial conditions.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: So when I did a uh federal school that is in Brazil is free, but it's hard to gain.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: And and education in Brazil is very different than here.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have undergrad, but we have five and a half year pet school.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um and has changed since I graduate, but um that's that's basically it.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I end up in the industry because the they select by they did dynamic groups, um, and they did some like test personality testing, and they so I ended up getting the position that my classmates that worked full five years in swine didn't get it, or was because they were looking for personality more than like you know, and then I was like, sorry, I have a personality, you know.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what that's how I got in the production, and then that's when I had a lot of opportunities.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: I have I did my MBA through the industry, they paid for my so I had a lot um trip trips and opportunities to uh visit but places because I was in the industry, so I think it was a good start for yeah, that's awesome.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I love that.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we had kind of talked a little bit before that maybe your background you know is a little bit different that you didn't grow up on a farm because we need we need to share that with our audience.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that's awesome.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, we're gonna probably skip some of these questions because you've kind of already answered them.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's perfect.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna jump down a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what are you most proud of from being a vet so far?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is this is what I the way I I ask this question is I want you to share your badass moment, meaning I did this.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Is there one, even more than one?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can share a couple, that's totally fine.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: We are we have to be proud of the things we've done, and I can think of several things that you should be proud of, but maybe there's more things that I don't know about you yet that you want to share.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it is the floor is yours.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is hard because what other people see is what is a big deal uh is not a big deal for me, or like I don't see as I well, like that's normal that everybody should be doing it, you know.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but for me, um, I think it's more the connection with through the people that I have met through the men, more important than what procedure or search or whatever have done.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's more so one of the aha moments for me when I had is um when I found out Christian regeneration.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: That is when I was in a fine line of changing careers because I was in a crisis in 2013, after I did a um volunteer mission trip to Haiti, and I came back like in shock.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: So then I was like, do I need to do for go medical school, nutrition school?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because I need to go back and do something about those, and there were so many animals everywhere there, you know, there's it's a very different reality.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then I start to Google options, even like what can I do a degree online?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Can I do what can I do?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then um I found about CDM.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was in Brazil then.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and if you're not got if you guys are not familiar with Christian veterinary missions, but it's a ministry, have been in the US for 50 years, um, next year will be 50 years.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh when I was like, I was I remember crying, and I was like, I don't need to change careers, I still can cause impact and impact and helping people, and then with my skills, and just you know, so I ended up traveling then to Nicaragua and then has since then I have been involved and I lead a um a project in Brazil um every year.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's from year to mission trip in Brazil.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: So that I think that I think my problem is more like to what the veterinary medicine gave back to me indirectly, and then the connections and friendship, and even my husband, because my husband is not in the field, but we met through Christian Ningle online while I was getting connection with Obsidian.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I was coming for a conference in US, and then we ended up meeting in person and decided we want to keep going.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it was up, you know, one and a half year back and forth, Brazil, US, and then we ended up married.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that I think is more important than specifically the I would say the chores or like um if I could what I'm more proud of myself and be able to do a dystortia in a in a cow uh because I or handle uh a calf pool because I never thought I would be doing this 20 years ago.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you asked me about school, I said, heck no, I don't want to be burger cows.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because I always I was always intimidated about cattle or horses because my professors were not approachable.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: So they didn't make me comfortable that a five-foot woman could do that stuff.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And now if I would say in this last, I would say nine years in the US and three years is just um what I'd be more proud of that I could break the barriers or or labels that they maybe indirectly put on me and I believed, and then I was like, I can't do that, and then I can show these students now that I can they can do that too.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's things more my no.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think that is a wonderful answer, and I'm gonna add because there's some things you should be proud of that again, you you already said they just that we just do them, but to take a second and um you know pause and just be proud that you have come to another country, like that is so brave.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I myself, as I think, you know, think about you know, if I put tried to put myself in your shoes, I would be more than terrified, more than terrified.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you have come, I mean, now you've got husband in your online, you know, but it's more that's that's so wonderful um because you bring so much from your country here.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just you as a human bring so much from your country and and your background, and so that's that is super cool.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then another thing that I think you really should be proud of, and you I know you are proud, um, you just didn't think about it right now, is you're a mom and you're practicing, like you are working, you are doing all you're doing all the things, juggling.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we that's what we do as moms.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And you're doing it, yeah.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like we came on like late in life, I would say.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm 42, she's she'll be five.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of there was even hard, yeah.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is even harder.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Probably everybody that had kids after 35 probably know that it's harder because you you grew up with your own way, and then you know you need adapt to the second a third person in the middle, uh first a husband, and then you get and then you get a kid and go.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yes, um, that is being a journey, uh, a long journey too.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: We are still learning and we don't know what we're doing, but we're still we're all in it together.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to figure it out.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're all on that.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope she's a vet too, because that's she that's what she says.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: She'll be a doctor like mine.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope she that is awesome.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have to chat about that in a little bit.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: So if you were able to go back in time and change one thing, what what would that one thing be?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I would have done my residency and learning English earlier.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was incredible, there were several things that got stuck in for me because I um didn't get or my English was not like advanced enough, or um and at the same time, like we know there is always time for everything, but I think it is the so now so I mean uh the ECFPG program, so I'm fighting for my license in US.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: I do not have my license in US, and then I've been stuck for this in this program for over two years, and um it's um it's a very complex process to get validational diploma, and but and so I mean like in a position there, like I mean, okay, I cannot just leave my salary and go full-time student and being more like and so I cannot go back to residency because there I have family now and I need pay views, so I it's kind of like I feel like I'm in a corner, you know.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I want to know more, I want to have more knowledge and do more stuff, but then I'm in a point that like I can't just not leave everything and just go full-time student and having uh a low salary for uh a residency, for example.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of I feel like that is one thing that one thing I would do because my sister went to her, you know, she did her bachelor in biology and then had her time, master's, doctorate, and um, and then I went directly to work in the industry and then it was great, I learned a lot, but then now for me to go back to school is kind of hard.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: But okay.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna say I want to circle back a little bit on getting your American license.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, oh man.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know this is you know, this is like a big, you know, yeah, it's a big, I mean it is a big deal.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because not everybody knows about how it works.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: There, yeah, say can you just briefly share with us like how that works, what you have to do now, you know, what you had in Brazil to get transferred over here for your US license for your Arizona bat license.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh or Arkansas, I'm sorry.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's all about ACS.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um if you just tell briefly that, like how that goes.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Pave VMA has uh a program for foreign veterinarians that um that wanted to be licensed in the US, and it's called ECFPG.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and there is another program called PAVE, but ECFPG is where I'm engaged in in and so it's uh several steps.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we need to pay a fee to be in the system, um, 1400 uh$1,400, and then you need to have a high proficiency English test that's not is higher than usually college, it will require you to do your PhD or whatever score, and then you need to have your basic clinical science exam that's uh written to 25 questions.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not similar to Navel yet, but it's kind of like a prep for Navily.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: So then you need to pass on that task, and then after that, you keep you're eligible.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Prove that you had done surgeries in small animals in the last five years, so they have a lot of documentation back and forth, a lot between AVMA and your school.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then AVMA, your school needs to be in the list of AVMA, like hey, we know you exist, kind of.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then after that, you are eligible to do the clinical proficiency exam.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's the three days in one facility or med school, Mississippi State or Vegas, doing uh exam that is almost$8,000.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um you need to pass any seven stations in three days.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: So you basically do anesthesia, um, it's more animals, anesthesia, uh uh surgery, um, necropsy, food animals, clinical case, uh, skills, um, equine, lameness, exam, and clinical case, and um, and you have bovine session.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know if I went all over the seven, but um, so that is, and you need to pass the test, and then then you can do your navy.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: You can do your navy anytime between after the BCSE.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I did my Navli last year in the past, but I didn't get this spot for the CP, that's the last one, because there's so many candidates for the amount of uh spots that the ABMA has.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Since 2020, everything went kind of down the hill in that situation.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are several spots, they uh stopped doing tests, and anyway, so there is um I received uh finally a letter from the AVMA or like email saying that they are changing something for the dates in they they released for 2026, and that's my hope because I was hoping to have done this by April.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but System has some issues on double booking, so they double book my test and I lost.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then I should have done be done in May, but didn't work.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been praying I can get I have lost this spot like two or three times.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope I get a spot and be done with that, because then that's how the lessons work.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, so you just have the the three-day the the CP, the the clinical efficiency exam.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's usually the hardest one, of course, because the three days in the place you never went before.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know, you don't know the people, it's just it's just a high, very high pressure exam, and just it's like back to back, back to back.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: So you're only quite in your number if uh a goat and you have like it's just so it's kind of um, but for now is what the EVMA has established for it.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think they we are begging financial change, and I think they are aware of the problems.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: So um, anyway, so that is the situation for the the license.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: So um all the the positions I have had didn't require me active license.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um some vet schools you know, you have a faculty license, it could be using too.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: So um that's where um the college, I mean I mean I'm they don't have faculty license because you know that school, so um I cannot practice basically.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I am limiting what I can do.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um on I can I help on the repro side on campus on the on the commercial farm on campus and do some things but um not fully, you know, cannot fully practice.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's still a lot that you're able to do, but man, it would make life much easier to go hide in.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: But um that's why I am, yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean limited on what procedures I can do.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So okay.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then just to kind of finish that story for folks, you have you finish up that clinical proficiency, the three-day and then I the DMV.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then you will DVM, yes.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Then you are able to apply for your US DVM license within No, then yeah, I'm already like I'm then I'm considered the same as uh any of you guys that graduate here.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like it's kind of proof of diploma too.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like it's equivalent to a US diploma.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, then I can apply for any state.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to have a license.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just then it would be state.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I need to choose which state I want to have my active license.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so we need to have that um diploma of complete completion of the ECFG.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, I'm following now.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: So then after that, you'll be able to go ahead and get that Arkansas license, or if you were planning to, you know, move somewhere else, you'd be able to go ahead and apply for that.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was previously licensed in five states, yeah, and it was nothing in comparison to all of the paperwork and fees that you have had to go through.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: But oh my goodness, it is a lot, it is a lot of the paperwork for the state is next to this state.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, why do you need my fingerprints again?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and so I can only imagine.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the timelines just the timelines like no matter.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I told already if you may double the price.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: If the price is not okay, we know we'll if but if I know the time I'll finish, if you guarantee they'll finish in two years, you can you can uh charge us three times more.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: We know we have two, we'll pay off, you know, it's easier, like, but now with that situation that we're we just don't know when we'll finish.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like in the struggle for three years.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean two years eligible and I can't just it's not doesn't cannot me.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: So if they have a date tomorrow, I would go for it and then try to do the test, you know.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, anyway.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it is being a like I mentioned to you before, it's been a like a um long journey um because when I moved to here, I knew that was the way to be able to practice.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: I knew that was hard, and uh I kind of forgot a time to you know to get my English rail and then get adapted to it.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then finally, 22 is when I got brave enough to sign up for the program and and started the licensing stuff so I can have more freedom because I can work in several areas in the industry or production, um, but I won't be able to spend other animals.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be able to castrate everybody, and I can want to be able to do my own animals, you know, without paying another bag.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, no, that's that's great.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you for laying that out.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's really good information to share because maybe hopefully this podcast will be.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Some of some of the folks that need to hear this, and maybe maybe we're gonna reach to some young ladies in other countries, but yeah, yeah.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: You have laid kind of the this is how you do it, yeah.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: They'll do their homework, but yeah, just to kind of give them an idea.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for sharing that.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, what were some of the biggest challenges that you faced as you have gotten into the field working as a woman in a five-foot woman.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's I think it's more you know, I think always I would say a shorter woman.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they always think I was I they always think, yeah, they always thought I was younger than I was.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes now it's not that bad, but um, I think you mentioned uh the lecturer before, it's just uh I my main challenge was several of my producers were German descendants, and then I don't know if you guys they the ones in Brazil they're extremely stubborn.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm in more in Italian, my I have descended in Italy, so my grandpa is Italian descendant, so um we have in South Brazil a lot of Italian and German descendants.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: So we they are very hard to handle producers in swine, at least in the area, and um they would try to intimidate me a lot.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: So on like you know, I was uh technical support for a company, they would uh complain, I don't know, um, something like if you don't give me this, the way I want, the time I won, I'm not paying you or whatever, or like you know, I know I will not buy more from your company.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's just kind of like constantly like arguing and and uh then um the company I was issured, both all both companies they were awesome on training for us.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: So see, like how to how to uh stand up or how to dress uh to get in me, because it's just one woman in the middle, like how the 50 men in the farm, you know, and how to dress, what kind of like ethics or just basic principles like you're not dough up and you know to be working for some guys are not, you know, it's not ideal time.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: So there are some things that we I we learn and kind of put because then kind of put boundaries and then at the same time they know they need to step back, you know.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, like so.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think I learned early, and I I'm glad the companies gave us courses of um how to identify personalities when to step back because my I have a very high temperament, a very hard temperament, too.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I would get easy in fights if I would uh not step back.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: So with producers, and especially with the ones that were trying to, you know, I wasn't a uh virtual integration company, so it's kind of they need to do what you recommend them, but there was like so much, you know, they would lie to me a lot, so I need to kind of go back and forth and then ask uh questions again until I would find the mistakes, they would hide products, you know.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's some stuff that would have challenges on that that I end up um took me a while for for like how to not be fully drained for this or affected.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um first time or I'd say first year I would just get out of a test again and just cry on the road, I just cry until I would go to the next one.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I cry anger, you know, frustration because I couldn't answer back, because I couldn't fight back, you know, because I was kind of I need to keep my professional is, you know, and I was 24, so it's kind of hard on that.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: But I think if you ask them now, it's fun because several of them develop, um, I gained their trust because I did not drop my head down, and I did not run away from conflicts.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why they they if you ask them now, because they always every time I go, I go over to Brazil and I meet some of them, they always like, hey, when are you coming back?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they always will tell you, you don't you don't measure her power by her uh her um height.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: They always say, like, that one you don't want to mess up with her.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can even ask my students.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: They they joke at me, like you don't want to go in a fight with Mary, she's tiny, but she'll take you down.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it's just my uh I learned how to get that defense on a way that would uh took a while, but and a lot like consulting or having trainings uh with companies or even learning with uh how others would do until they they they learn.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: So kind of uh you educate your clients, I think you you can educate them uh how they want how you want to be treated, and that's how I think I I got it.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, standing up for yourself and being confident are two common threads that are coming through this podcast with the other folks that I have visited with, and they're huge challenges for us as women, but when we when we actually you know put those to play, we accomplish things.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then some I I would feel that sometimes I'll I just I'm not I don't have the I'm I don't have any today, you know, I don't have patience for that today.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: But then it's kind of like you put that big girl pants and then just go and then take a I would go like you know, go eat ice cream in the corner, like I like on the gas station, something, and then take a break and then okay, next.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then um I I think my fate helped it too, but that came late in life too.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: So came later um when I was getting a little more mature on professional, so I think that helps because I know the praying more before, after doing and after stress out, you know, uh yeah.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's a wonderful answer.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you have a little girl, yeah, and what has it been like raising her as you're going through all of all of these changes, and now you're I mean, now you're teaching, yeah, and it sounds like she wants to be a vet.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any stories of like things that she's been able to see with you, experience with you?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: She puppated her first cow.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: She puppet her first cow.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome! Um, she was oh she's four, yeah, she was four.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I we usually have a prag check lab um with the students, and uh I have one, I had one last week, and I'll have one next week.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I always bring her, I don't that day she's not going to school because she's going to the farm with mommy.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then um I paid, I made her to be break.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: She was not like she was super excited, but when the time to just go for it, she was freaking out and grows up.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: But then after she, of course, she's so little and uh her arm do not go fully in, but she can't touch it and was enough to get dirty, and then she tells everybody that she toy, what did you do?
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: I stick my hand in the cowboy.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's what she was doing.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we have pictures and videos on that, and she lost to play with my stethoscope.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: So when if I'm taking her to the farm, or like, or sometimes like cabin season, we have a fall cabin season, then I would take her to listen to the calves, and like we have a sheep flock there too, and sometimes I bring bottle lambs home, and uh, she likes to play with the she liked to play with the stethoscope, and she watched all the like via the vet cartoon and whatever TV show there's DVM, Heartland, um, Dr.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Ben and Erin that we watch on uh Disney and she will watch it with me.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that's awesome.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: I love that, and it's so wonderful how you're able to share.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're as a professor, you've got your you know, a lot of in-class things, but you've got your labs and working with the farm that you're able to bring her in and share that with her.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool, and the fact that she loves it.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and well, she loves a farm manager.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, she everything is oh my god, that's what she says.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the farm manager, so she loves to be around me too.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: So this next question is something that if you're comfortable answering, that's fine.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't want to answer it, that's fine as well.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, this podcast is gonna include some personal financial topics because that is one of my passions, and so I will have some episodes at a later time um sharing about different topics.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so I wanted to slip that in here um because we all have different personal finance um ideas and opinions, and they're all valid.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I love to hear them if people are open to share, because some people are very private about it, and that's okay.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um so if you're comfortable sharing, have finances affected your path to where you are currently.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: And you have had a very, I'm gonna say wild and long um path.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Finance is something that takes me out of the stability emotionally and is when I burn out.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I learned how my dad always won like, you know, one season number zero, and I learned he would he would be a smoker, so he will always like stress in smoking and and trying to get all done, and I think I learned a reaction.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, it's very stressful.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: But um, I did a lot of mistakes in the beginning.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: And one was I was a full-time employer in employed in one of the agri industries, but I was not fully fulfilled in the position.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was working the quality control inside the uh processing plant.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of and I still had a little law for small animals, so that small town didn't have any bet that would do um home calls, or like they didn't have small animals people, and then everybody started to say uh start to like you need to open an office or like a like a small clinic or something, and then I did the mistake on trying to do uh 40 hours a week at the slaughterhouse plus uh opening a small animals practice.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: That was um my first year out of school, and uh one thing that is I'm lucky compared to you guys, I never had a um student loan, so that's unclear on that.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that helps on it, but at the same time, I got a loan from that business and ended up that failed because I was stolen by employees, because I was immature and trusting too much people, and that was it was a chaos.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I ended up all my salary from the processing plan would be retaining in the bank to pay the loan payments, and then there was a chaotic, and then that was 2000 like around eight and nine and nine.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: I had with all that stress, and uh fell asleep driving and then had uh lost my car, and then there was another, yeah, and then I had issues with insurance, and my dog and I survived, but was like that was just a chaotic on top of more chaotic.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I think my I think I can say that my worst year in life was 2009 to 10.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: That was everything happens in that year.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, losing material and people and losing, like, you know, lost my dad and lost the dog.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much stuff that happened in that short amount of time.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that um one thing I would um, and you mentioned about what I um would not do it, it's um a fast decision on a business, and that that's why now one of the things I'm not if I'm you if I'm opening my own business, if I'm taking care, I need to have somebody to charge people because I would not be the one that if somebody comes in my office crying because the dog is was uh uh had an accident and I know is bleeding out, I be and the person I don't have money, I was like, just come here, you know, let's cry together and I will and they'll just pay me later.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: And that happens a lot during that time, and then nobody ever paid me back.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I got a lot on uh, you know, that was not knowing how to handle the charge.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so if I have a secretary to do that, she can figure out, you know.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I know that I need to be careful with uh business um if I decide to open a business again.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of I'm aware of that.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: So not doing, and my dad said, well, one thing, listen to your parents because my dad said you'll not be able to do that.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: How can you do 40 hours and I was doing like elective elective surgeries on Saturday?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't have like there was no break, and I was like, I'm young, I can do whatever, you know.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: He said, That will not work.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: He came and helped me to pay the build, the building, and paint the building and do all the stuff like and uh he was right.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's uh that's one of the major things.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like you listen to advice or get advice from people that know better than you earlier.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I see some that you know, some of the groups that we are um people asking about purchasing a um a company or like and you see all the different advices.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: I would just you know just be getting like wise advice on even from um uh financial um consultant or something on whatever you're investing on it.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: And if you are getting a loan for your student loan, do not buy a new car, do not buy whatever a new apartment.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know, whatever those students do.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are you crazy?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: You need to ride a bike to campus, or that's not where about you and I have so much in common with regarding this.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is wonderful.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't have my own car until I graduated med school.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't drive, I didn't have email license until I was 24 because I mean my dad said, You pay yourself.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so yeah.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's no, that's wonderful.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's wonderful.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm laughing because I'm in agreement with you on so many of those things.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I presented this morning at the conference on personal finance, and I think I should have stolen some of those phrases you just used.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: To add to my presentation, but um what you so several of the statements you made um were in my presentation, so that just kind of called you to call my line, which is great.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: So moving on, do you have any special memories or stories that you would like to share since you've been a veterinarian?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um one or two, we kind of um do not do do not never try to stop a pig that's trying to run away from the pen with a personal body.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: For my do not a finishing a finishing size pig, do not ever stay in front of them.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: If they really want to get out of the pen, they'll flip you over.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: So that happened.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: So and then when we were loading trucks for the slaughterhouse, so don't ever do that.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um that was funny because I I face blank on it, and that was like midnight, you know, all the producers like you know, like the farmers like yes, you know, because I don't like her or something like that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think the um funny, mmm, what else?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you'll find so so many different things um that I will if I start to dig, I will find, but humbling, um it's um I that's why I run a little bit out from the small animals.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know handle well death on small animals, and I had basically two cats.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't do surgery enough to um in small animals to have like handle a lot, um losing patients on the table, but I had two um cats that end up dying like just neuter, and I'm I have no idea why.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: how you know all those so I think that was kind of like was so obviously isn't either like you're doing five minutes ten minutes and you're super confident on that is and sometimes it's just you can be too much over yourself and some not specific about this subject but some stuff that you think think you are you are the best and then life or even God would tell like um let's calm down you know you are not that good at so I think that was uh I think one of the examples I think no no those are great stories I I love hearing everybody's different stories because we all have different experiences many of them are the same but then how a situation plays out is so how are people react to each each person so that's wonderful.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: So as we're kind of coming to the end of our time do you have any advice that you would like to share for young women who are interested in large animal medicine or animal agriculture um and also young women I shouldn't know just say young middle aged women um whoever is a woman that would be interested in large animal medicine?
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: I would one thing I tell my students is um and I have this in my syllabus or not in the syllabus by the first day of classes lights and saying that um so do not do never and if that happens in that's funny because students will say hey I don't need to I don't know handle pigs because I never work with pigs uh will not do you know 20 years from now and that is something I would tell if I could go back to school I would go to more be more involved doing my production classes because I said never I work in food animal ever like that was like a statement like those people are just you know cruel whatever was I don't even know and I want to be a nephrologist what I want to do with that I have no idea what I would do with being a nephrologist like I don't we've been research I was like how stupid I'm like I would not I in special what do we do with that like the land of the food you know the agree industry I was like anyway so I um would say do never oh I'll test yama whatever go learn about yama uh or alpacas you I don't you don't know if there is an alpaca that shows in your backyard I don't know you know do you never know what you where you do I never thought I would be living in US because it was not like uh my chico place like oh my my dream is to go to US or live there never thought I would be working with Caro and then join Popation Day and being full of manure and being ah that's so awesome like this so those um never do not is never too much information so that would think and I mean that's why I'm still a sponge the more if I could do conference every week every month I would do it because I never know what will happen in five years from now so I guess one of the things is um so if you think you never work in large animals hmm maybe you will so um that don't close the door um because then you'll be you'll be too much behind on everything so I think be open for opportunities because that uh all the different jobs had opportunities because I was open for a change you know I mean it was open it was not that I was a little uh more flexible um and other thing I tell students is they are they are not allowed to say I cannot because they never try so no you will palpate well but I I mean I have a business I don't care one day maybe you need it or at least you tell your kids that you did them like well my my major is like a business I don't care you're in lab you need those so do never do never try like say I cannot or um I'm too whatever you want to say I'm too short in my case because I was bullying bullied kid you know like I'm too short I mean or I'm too fat or I'm too old and uh my side one of my side jobs is I'm a personal trainer so I'm personal training and I coach CrossFit and there is that's why people come and say oh I'm too old to go to the gym I'm too fat to go to the gym I don't want to be embarrassed like there is no to I mean to what whatever cut that or word off so and I'll I always tell people and I remember when asking people but when you know when you have a child like because we you know try for a while it didn't work and then surprisingly she came and I just tell Bella close your eyes and make a baby and they were like yeah yeah just close your eyes and jump because you always will have a fear you always will have an excuse and no matter what and it's the same I say to the clients at the gym yes sucks yes is not is a is a discipline yes just just go just close your eyes and go and the front is the same like I kind of every time I'm doing something at the farm I is a self-proof to myself that I can do it.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: So no nobody knows what's going on in my head but I'm there like oh that's a giant beef master I have my step to it stool is not enough I need to climb this freaky shoe to get this baby to be able to feel her uterus so that's what I need to do.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: So like in AI those cows are hard for my small hands.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: So but I you know I'm like I'm not giving up I'm staying here until I can get this third ring pest you know I think that's it just um I think uh we all have fears and concerns and poster scene I have that all the time but you just need to like keep walking on it even when you're shaking inside so just go for it I think that is beautiful advice that's why I move that's why I move to another country that it's like just if it doesn't work and go back you know that's why like if that if it don't work I'm like not the end of the world if it doesn't work I try again tomorrow you know that's why I tell the students like if you don't get the thing out get tomorrow you know you can always try tomorrow try again yes yes no I think that's beautiful you gave a bunch of really good advice and I appreciate you sharing that we're at the end of our time so is there anything that we missed that you would like to share about I yes I wanna and I I see that all often in all those groups that we are um the majority of the women not not majority is the exact but several are burn out with the profession like burning out on and you know we know the suicide rate and and I just wonder when you are so discouraged and I would try not being watching on this but um that you remember that I would be giving everything to have a license so when you are discouraged think that there's several that are fighting to do what you do so I think that is um I have told each other that it's like when you're discouraged when you're complaining I would be like I would be giving everything for having a complaint being complained about the client and having a negative review on Google then not have any you know so when you get discouraged think that there are several people that are fighting to get your position so it's not um just I think value um what comes with BedMeds not just what BedMed can take from you but what comes with and I think all the people I have met during this I've 18 years since graduation is just my life never was the same.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I probably would not be the same if it was another you know another course I would not be talking to you like no so anyway I think that's um that's my advice that was wonderful.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if you guys want to ever talk about I mean self-encouraging like I mean I'm constantly I mean I have our energy so if you ever want extra just call me you know so yeah no I think you said that beautifully and yeah we often forget that you know we yes we worked hard to to pass the NAML to get our license to get in practice and we forget about how many people apply to that school oh yes that year that of our class that didn't get didn't get accepted and never got accepted and we are so fortunate that God lined up things worked out um for us to be where we are so no I think that was a beautiful way to to end that one I think one of the lectures was saying I didn't go to but it was like a rev review or review your why and I think that's it so when I got scourged I mean just go back like okay I stayed two years out of fully out of in contact with animal like animal work and was chaotic for me.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: I know that then I figure out like I cannot leave without VedMed you know if that's my that's my call so yeah beautiful so thank you very well for having me thanks for for letting me have some time to chat with you and I'm going to have your email address in the show notes so that if there's someone out there that finds a connection with the conversation that we had they can reach out to you and maybe you'll have more students.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and you are welcome to call to ask me for a prayer I can pray if you and if you want to go with to Brazil with me and lead the project like I said every uh year I take veterinarians to teach in a med school there it would be awesome to have different people okay especially large animals because they love it when we I bring large animals right so okay awesome thank you that's all for this episode thanks again for spending your valuable time with me I appreciate it just a reminder this podcast is not intended to provide medical advice please contact your local veterinarian to establish and maintain a valid VCPR veterinary client relationship if you liked what you heard on this episode please rate and review this podcast and share it with a friend.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: If you have questions or comments about this podcast or topics covered or ideas for topics you can reach me at beyond greenbibs at gmail.com or on Facebook and Instagram at Beyond the Green Bibb.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Have a great day and we'll catch you next time