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GWYNETH PALTROW SKI CRASH VICTIM: 'I Couldn't Move My Head, Body' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let me understand this. He
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Speaker 1: is claiming he has a serious brain injury. Gwyneth Paltrow,
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Speaker 1: the Oscar winner, is claiming that she lost a half
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Speaker 1: a day a skiing m brain injury. Half a day
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Speaker 1: of skiing brain injury, half a day of skiing. What's
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Speaker 1: the jury going to make of that? Of course we're
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Speaker 1: talking about Gwyneth Paltrow. Guys, I me Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation in Serious eleven. First of all, I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear from the horse's mouth, Gwyneth Paltrow on
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Speaker 1: the stand. Its true that you feel it's unfair that
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Speaker 1: mister Sanderson has brought this case against you. I do,
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Speaker 1: and he has deterred you from enjoying the rest of
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Speaker 1: what was a very expensive vacation while I lost half
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Speaker 1: a day of skiing. Nice okay, And I think that's
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Speaker 1: that's what your counsel has argued as well, that you
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Speaker 1: lost You had a full day pass, but you can
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Speaker 1: only ski a half a day. Yes, I went back
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Speaker 1: down after lunch, right, and that's when you had lunch
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Speaker 1: and you got a massage, Yes, okay, didn't get your
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Speaker 1: knee checked out. Didn't have to become a medical attention. No,
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Speaker 1: it didn't feel acute in any way. It felt just
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Speaker 1: like I had overstretched my knee and I had sustained
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Speaker 1: a blow. But it didn't feel like it needed medical attention. Well,
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Speaker 1: she was so upset she had to have a massage.
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Speaker 1: I hate when that happens. Okay, wait a minute, like,
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Speaker 1: let me understand this, then retire uptomtros. That says Paltrow
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Speaker 1: plow out over him, giving him actual brain and Gerina
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Speaker 1: ski accident. That's his claim, and she's claiming that will
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Speaker 1: hold on. Well, it was a very expensive situation. Well,
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Speaker 1: I lost half a day of skiing. Yes, Jackie, can
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Speaker 1: I just hear that part one more time place? I
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Speaker 1: just can't really hear it enough. It's true that you
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Speaker 1: feel it's unfair that mister Sanderson has brought this case
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Speaker 1: against you. I do, and he has deterred you from
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Speaker 1: enjoying the rest of what was a very expensive vacation. Well,
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Speaker 1: I lost half a day of skiing. Okay, Well, there
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Speaker 1: you heard it. I guess that's what the jury's going
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Speaker 1: to use to determine damages, if any with me an
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Speaker 1: all Star panel to make sense of what's happening in
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Speaker 1: the Gwyneth Paltrow Ski collision case. It's happening right now.
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Speaker 1: The All Star panels is going away in But first
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Emily Ashcroft, reporter with KSL
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Speaker 1: dot Com in Utah. Emily, do you think the jury
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Speaker 1: is going to be upset that Gwyneth Paltrow's outfits in
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Speaker 1: a single day costs more than many people possibly on
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Speaker 1: the jury make in a year. You know, I looked
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Speaker 1: at some annelis you know how to get up? One
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Speaker 1: was eighty eight thousand? I think, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, Emily, Emily,
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Speaker 1: Emily Ashcroft, don't just drop a bomb on me like
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Speaker 1: that and expect me to just walk up on SKA
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Speaker 1: walk away. What did you just say? Did you see
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Speaker 1: eighty eight thousand dollars? Did you say that? That's what
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Speaker 1: one website said that I was looking at. I think
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Speaker 1: it was the day two outfit they were analyzing. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna get to the collision just a moment, but I've
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Speaker 1: just got to understand Emily Ashcroft as a well known
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter joining us from KSL. You did it again, first,
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Speaker 1: you dropped a bombshell on me that one of her
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Speaker 1: one outfit costs eighty eight thousand. Now you're telling me
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Speaker 1: that was day two. What was day two? What was
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Speaker 1: she wearing that could possibly cost eighty eight thousand dollars?
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Speaker 1: It's gotta be jewelry. There was some added jewelry on
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Speaker 1: day two that I didn't notice on day one. Tell me,
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Speaker 1: I have to know everything. Tell me, well, if I
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Speaker 1: knew that was what I was talking about, I would
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Speaker 1: have pulled up the outfit earlier. You know about Google, right,
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Speaker 1: I love Google. I mean I did see this huge,
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Speaker 1: chunky gold necklace, but I just assumed it was fake.
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Speaker 1: While you find that in your notes Emily Ashcroft about
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Speaker 1: day two? Why did I cost eighty eight thousand dollars?
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen is with me, high profile entertainment lawyer, former
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Speaker 1: felony prosecutor, now entertainment lawyer, Daryl Okay. When I was
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Speaker 1: trying cases, which were all, of course felonies, I very
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Speaker 1: quickly realized I should wear navy blue or black every
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Speaker 1: single day. No fancy jewelry, as if I had any.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have any too wear fancy jewelry, but no petting,
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Speaker 1: the fingernails and hair pull back. Why because most of
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Speaker 1: my cases were after like the first year or two
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Speaker 1: were murders, mass murder which is more than one body, rape, sodomy,
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Speaker 1: aggravated child abuse. I didn't think it would be right
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Speaker 1: to go prancing into court and a red mini dress
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Speaker 1: with high heels and red nails. It's just something screamed
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Speaker 1: no about that. I don't know. I never really thought
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Speaker 1: it through. But perceptions are very important in trials. They're
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Speaker 1: very important. Well, Nancy, First of all, we start with
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Speaker 1: we've changed the morning from crime stories to crash story.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you got that out of your system. Daryl, Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. You want to look up to a jury,
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Speaker 1: not down to a jury, and you want to offend.
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Speaker 1: I wait a minute, I've never thought about that, Okay.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you do know I had to teach two
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Speaker 1: night jobs, teaching while I was prosecuting to pay the
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Speaker 1: house note and the car note, and the car continuously
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Speaker 1: smoked from under the hood at every red light. But
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Speaker 1: that said, I didn't really have anything fancy too where
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Speaker 1: to court. But why are you saying that, Daryl? And
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Speaker 1: I like what you just said. By the way, I've
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Speaker 1: never heard that, because you always want a jury to
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Speaker 1: connect with you, if possible, and you want to look
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Speaker 1: up to them and talk up to them, rather than
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Speaker 1: as so many lawyers talking down to them using legal ease.
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Speaker 1: You use the language that you believe the jury relates to,
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Speaker 1: and you act the way you believe the jury wants
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Speaker 1: you to act. Has nothing to do the evidence, but
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Speaker 1: it has everything to do with the case. And you
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Speaker 1: know another thing. For instance, I went to the dentist
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Speaker 1: recently and right in the middle of whatever he was doing,
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Speaker 1: it's always something complicated and I always have to see
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Speaker 1: a specialist. He said, you know, it's on one of
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Speaker 1: your juries. I nearly bit that drill right in half.
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Speaker 1: What's up? Gee? I hope I was nice at least
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Speaker 1: to the jury, and he said, you were, You're very nice.
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Speaker 1: It was a murder case. And as soon as he
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Speaker 1: told me one fact, I remember not only the trial,
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Speaker 1: but I remembered him what he was wearing specifically, because
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Speaker 1: I remember, believe it or not, Daryl Cohen, I thought, wow,
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Speaker 1: that juror has got on a really nice Kashmir v
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Speaker 1: Nex sweater. I mean, I am I fashion illiteracy evenne
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Speaker 1: what Kashmir was, So I remember that and now that
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Speaker 1: I put the two together, So that made an impact
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Speaker 1: on me. And I remember one defense attorney, who shall
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Speaker 1: go nameless, had these long, blood red what do you say,
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Speaker 1: acrylics and dripping acrylic nails and dripping in diamond jewelry.
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Speaker 1: And when she would walk in front of the jury,
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Speaker 1: she would have a piece of paper and she held
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Speaker 1: it not with her fingertips but with her claws, I
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Speaker 1: mean her acrylic nails. And she would walk on really
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Speaker 1: high heels, which gave her a stilted posture. And I
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Speaker 1: just watched her the whole trial, and do you know
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Speaker 1: after that guilty verse, that's one of the first things
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Speaker 1: the female Jerrard said to me was she drove us
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Speaker 1: crazy with those high heels tried to walk around a courtroom. Now,
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Speaker 1: and I remember that, So what you're saying is absolutely true. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Emily Ashcroft, what about day two? Any update on that?
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Speaker 1: I know you thought you were just going to give
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Speaker 1: me the facts of the case, but it's so much more, Emily,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, tell me about day two. So that it
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Speaker 1: looks like the necklace was priced at about sixty five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, So that is the item the cas outfit
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Speaker 1: to be so expensive. It's the sound ray gold. Oh
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Speaker 1: what filmed rate? Okay, I don't know what that is.
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Speaker 1: Is that an expense? I don't shop the jewelry at
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Speaker 1: that price? But you know, okay, whoa Jackie here in
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Speaker 1: the studio has been obsessed with what Gwynth Paltrow was wearing.
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Speaker 1: And I keep going, it doesn't matter, Jackie, although we
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Speaker 1: have now finished talking about it for like five minutes. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Jackie wants everyone to know Paltrow wore a g labeled
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Speaker 1: by Goop belted cardigan blah blah blah blah blah blah,
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Speaker 1: five hundred and ninety five dollars. Oh, I get it.
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Speaker 1: So she's wearing her own clothing off of her her website. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what. You were just hearing her state that
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Speaker 1: she lost a day of skiing, while he the plaintiff
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Speaker 1: who is the one who is suing. The respondent would
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Speaker 1: be the one that's getting sued. He claims he's got
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Speaker 1: brain injury. Now weigh those two out. But as Emily
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Speaker 1: Ashcraft is pointing out, the necklace was sixty five grand,
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Speaker 1: and Jackie wants everyone to know she wore a Goop
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Speaker 1: cardigan for six hundred dollars Goop, Goop, Goop. You think
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Speaker 1: that these yours even know anything at all about Gwyneth
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Speaker 1: Paltrow's website, Well, I wonder if they know this. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Paltrow again on SETH Myers. It's a candle. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And so it's called this Smells Like My Vagina. So
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Speaker 1: it sort of started as a joke. We were I
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Speaker 1: was with the Nose Douglas Little for his brand Heretic,
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Speaker 1: and we were kind of messing around and I smelled
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Speaker 1: this beautiful thing and I was like, no, smells like
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Speaker 1: and I was kidding obviously, um, and we were on
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Speaker 1: mushrooms and we weren't. But so then it actually became
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Speaker 1: kind of a funny thing where it was a really
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Speaker 1: funny to us, yeah, but also a little bit punk rock.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, I think women, a lot
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Speaker 1: of us have grown up feeling certain degrees of shame
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Speaker 1: around our body or whatever. So this is just a
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Speaker 1: little bit of you know, subversive candle for all of us.
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Speaker 1: Jed's father takes time away from his rampage to write
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Speaker 1: letters to his daughter, sending them to relatives as she
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Speaker 1: is still in hiding. I have letters he wrote, like
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Speaker 1: the week he murdered someone, and that's so disturbing to me.
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Speaker 1: And the letters just continued and continued. Five years go by,
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Speaker 1: Jen now in her fourth grade class, when her mom
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Speaker 1: shows up at school, something mom never does. In the
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Speaker 1: middle of the day, she said, I'm gonna walk you home.
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Speaker 1: And halfway home we sat down and she said, I
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Speaker 1: need to tell you something. You remember how I told
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Speaker 1: you that Daddy was very sick and his new wife
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Speaker 1: is a very bad person. She said, he didn't get better,
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Speaker 1: he got much much worse. He heard a bunch of people.
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Speaker 1: It was like the bursting of a bubble. The murderous
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Speaker 1: couple captured and soon dug by the media as the
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Speaker 1: witch killers. At just nine years old, a little schoolgirl,
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Speaker 1: Jen learns at a much too early age what a
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Speaker 1: dark and evil place this world could be. I was
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Speaker 1: sleeping with knives and scissors, because if Daddy could kill people,
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Speaker 1: then anybody's capable of murder. Stories with me, it's a grace,
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Speaker 1: it's a candle, and so it's called this smells like
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Speaker 1: my vagina. So it sort of started as a joke.
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Speaker 1: We were I was with the nose Douglas Little for
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Speaker 1: his brand Heretic, and we were kind of messing around
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Speaker 1: and I smelled this beautiful thing and I was like, no,
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Speaker 1: smells like and I was kidding obviously, um, and we
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Speaker 1: were on mushrooms and we weren't. But so then it
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Speaker 1: actually became kind of a funny thing where it was
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Speaker 1: a really funny to us but also a little bit
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Speaker 1: punk rock. And you know, I mean, I think women,
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Speaker 1: a lot of us have grown up feeling certain degrees
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Speaker 1: of shame around our body or whatever. So this is
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Speaker 1: just a little bit of a you know, subversive candle
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Speaker 1: for all of us. I'm just letting all that's so
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Speaker 1: cute care start joining me. We're now a psychologist in
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Speaker 1: the New York area, joining us out of Manhattan. You
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Speaker 1: can find her online at Karen dot com. That's Karen
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Speaker 1: with a S. Unless her vagina smells like cedar. I
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Speaker 1: think that a lot of her statements were obviously made
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Speaker 1: in jest. I don't know how funny a jury will
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Speaker 1: think they are when they find out that her website,
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Speaker 1: Goop it's worth two hundred and fifty million dollars. Well
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Speaker 1: on top of that, Nancy, she's doing a lot of
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Speaker 1: I mean, she's doing a lot of inspider jokes, you know,
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Speaker 1: like joking that she was on Shoon and things like that.
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Speaker 1: What we were talking about, it's not appealing to a jury.
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Speaker 1: They don't they're not part of Hollywood and laughing about
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Speaker 1: a candle that smells like a vagina. So you kind
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Speaker 1: of hope that she knows better than to make those
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Speaker 1: kind of jokes, but it doesn't. It doesn't look good
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Speaker 1: to the jury that she has said a half day
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Speaker 1: of skiing, that she missed the half day's skiing. I
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Speaker 1: don't know who prompted her, but who cares? You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go into the plantiff's trial attorney techniques. But
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Speaker 1: enough about her vagina and her candle, and her money
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Speaker 1: and her wardrobe. What is the case about? Tecolos dar
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Speaker 1: Frans at NBC when if Paltrow is heading to court
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Speaker 1: today in Park City over allegations of a hit and
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Speaker 1: run ski crash in twenty sixteen while at the Posh
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Speaker 1: Deer Valley Ski Resort, seventy six year old Terry Sanderson
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Speaker 1: claims Paltrow's skied out of control and hit his back,
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Speaker 1: knocking him down hard, knocking him out and causing a
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Speaker 1: brain injury, four broken ribs and other serious injuries. I
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Speaker 1: was going slow and then all of a sudden, I
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Speaker 1: heard this absolutely horrifying screech. There's a hysterical scream, Sanderson
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Speaker 1: says after the accident, Paltrow left him stunned, lying in
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Speaker 1: the snow. The oscar winner has a very different account
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Speaker 1: of the collision, saying it was Sanderson who plowed into
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Speaker 1: her and that it was she who sustained a full
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Speaker 1: body blow. You know, there at Deer Valley, the prices
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Speaker 1: are just through the roof. It's like season passes nearly
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Speaker 1: two thousand dollars for an adult. So we're looking at
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Speaker 1: a very posh ski resort. So let me ask you.
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Speaker 1: Emily Ashcraft is joining us with KSL dot Com. Emily,
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Speaker 1: four broken ribs a brain injury? Now, I know four
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Speaker 1: broken ribs can easily be established through an X ray.
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Speaker 1: Hold on. Doctor Harvey Castro joining US Sports Certifining, the
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Speaker 1: emergency care physician and CEO of Chat GPT author of
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Speaker 1: Loss Hacks. That is a mouthful, Doctor Harvey Castro, Whitten
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Speaker 1: Broken rib Show up in an X ray. Oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: so you're talking about that. I'm sorry. The broken rib, yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: for sure, it's subtle, but it's if you're ne yard doctor,
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Speaker 1: you should be able to catch those. Those are pretty simple.
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Speaker 1: And I remember seeing them online actually, and I could
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Speaker 1: see the fractures. You saw his x rays online? Yes, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: I saw it on some website. They actually showed his
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Speaker 1: x rays. Yeah, and let me ask you this, You
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Speaker 1: looking at it online could see the fractures, correct? Yes,
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Speaker 1: what's the difference between a fractured rib and a broken rib?
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's the same. Layman's people will say, hey,
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Speaker 1: this is just broken, but the medical term would be
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Speaker 1: a fracture, so basically a break in the bone. Now,
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Speaker 1: the other allegation, his claim is that he had brain
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Speaker 1: injury that does not show up on an X ray.
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Speaker 1: How would that be determined? So that's a difficult one. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: we would as a doctor, we would have to do
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Speaker 1: a cat scan. And it goes with the combination of
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Speaker 1: the immediate symptoms that a patient would come in with.
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Speaker 1: Typically a concuss patient will come in with headache, start vomiting,
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Speaker 1: feeling a little confused, hired, and obviously from that point
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Speaker 1: jump in into a cat scan, and then on a
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Speaker 1: cat scan I could see early inflammation or signs of
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Speaker 1: trauma and the brain, which I'm really interested in seeing
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Speaker 1: his cat scan if that report was available. Are you
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Speaker 1: telling me that concussion can be classified as a brain injury?
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Speaker 1: A concussion at first it's a very mild form. You
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Speaker 1: can say, yes, this is a brain injury, but again
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Speaker 1: it's mild on this particular case. They're looking at long
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Speaker 1: term what they call a post concussion syndrome. And unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: a lot of those symptoms are very subjective. For example,
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Speaker 1: if someone says they have a headache after having like
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Speaker 1: in his case, he had a injury, and he's later saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm having a headache, I'm having trouble with emotional behavior, fatigue,
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Speaker 1: all these symptoms. To me, it's hard to say, well
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Speaker 1: that he read the textbook and kind of came in
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Speaker 1: saying hey I have these symptoms, or does he really
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Speaker 1: have these symptoms? And that's really hard to tell. Back
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Speaker 1: to Emily Ashcraft joining as k SL com in Utah, Emily,
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Speaker 1: what does each side say happened? What does Paltrow say happened? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So Paltrow says she's skiing along and the man comes
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Speaker 1: right up behind her. She says his skis came between
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Speaker 1: her skis, pushing her legs apart a little bit, and
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Speaker 1: they skied together for a few seconds, and then she
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Speaker 1: says that they both kind of fell down together, with
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Speaker 1: her on top of him. And he says that he's
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Speaker 1: just skiing. Here's a loud scream behind him, and that
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Speaker 1: this is what did attorney say at this point, because
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Speaker 1: he hasn't testified, but she just kind of plowed him down.
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Speaker 1: His experts have said that there was a lot of
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Speaker 1: force behind that to break those ribs. Wow. Okay, now
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Speaker 1: we've heard from doctor Harvey Castro about the ease I'm
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Speaker 1: detecting and fractured or broken rib A brain injury is
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Speaker 1: much more subtle in meaty cases and would require a
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Speaker 1: cat scan. Nancy, Yeah, go ahead. I was wondering with
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Speaker 1: a brain scan and you're trying to figure out if
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Speaker 1: there's damage. Don't they do testing like psychological testing to
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Speaker 1: assess that. I was thinking that they must have done
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Speaker 1: some kind of testing. I'm sure we're going to hear
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Speaker 1: about it, but I don't believe that his Caskan has
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Speaker 1: come in yet, hasn't Emily, I haven't seen that in
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Speaker 1: the case, but we have had his doctors talk about
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Speaker 1: their evaluations. Yeah, like Karen Stark is saying, So let's
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Speaker 1: hear exactly what Paltrow is saying. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Jim Moray. During opening statements today, Paltrow's lawyer
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Speaker 1: said Sanderson was the one who crashed into her. Suddenly
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Speaker 1: she sees two skis appear between her skis and a
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Speaker 1: man comes up right behind her, almost body to body
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Speaker 1: like this and start groaning. He says, did you ran
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Speaker 1: into me? And Grant's like, no, you ran square right
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Speaker 1: into me. Huh. So the inconsistency starts right there on
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Speaker 1: the slope with a lot of finger pointing at each other.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of Moray. When I spoke
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Speaker 1: with Sanderson in twenty nineteen, he told me he was
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Speaker 1: skiing with friends when Paltrow smacked into him and boot
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Speaker 1: I got clawverd in the back. He was sixty nine
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Speaker 1: years old when this happened. So that is part of
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Speaker 1: Paltrow's claim against him that these are prior injuries that
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Speaker 1: he was already complaining about, not feeling like himself and
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Speaker 1: having decreased vision in his eye. They even say he
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have been skiing that day. Huh okay, So here
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Speaker 1: the claims against each other, but he they retired. Optometris
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Speaker 1: has a witness. Take a listen to Craig ramon. Well,
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Speaker 1: we were seeing them down the bend, down the run,
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Speaker 1: and then and then I heard this this, this bl
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Speaker 1: this scream, and then I looked over and then about
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe one or two seconds um, and then
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Speaker 1: I heard the scream and then and then and then
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Speaker 1: I see this this this skier just slamming of the
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Speaker 1: back of Terry and when and she just slammed him
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Speaker 1: very hard, he let mean very hard. And more from
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Speaker 1: this same witness on him, we say, listen an acquaintance
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Speaker 1: of Sanderson's who says he was just feet away from
22:34
Speaker 1: the collision, describing what he saw. She just slammed him
22:39
Speaker 1: very hard, he let mean very hard. So he's kind
22:42
Speaker 1: of he's kind of spread to you, and he goes
22:45
Speaker 1: face down, and then Gwyneth's on the top of him,
22:47
Speaker 1: and then to go down like this, and then Gwyneth
22:51
Speaker 1: hits him and then bounces off. Craig Ramone saying. Paltrow
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Speaker 1: then quickly got up, didn't speak to anyone, and continued
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Speaker 1: down the mountain as he tended to his injury. Your friend,
23:00
Speaker 1: I said, do you know where you are? And he
23:04
Speaker 1: just shook his head and is like no. Joining right
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Speaker 1: now is Jason Jensen, private investigator and owner of Jensen
23:12
Speaker 1: Private Investigations, the co founder of Cold Case Coalition, and
23:18
Speaker 1: you can find him at Jensen Private Investigations dot com. Jason,
23:22
Speaker 1: thanks so much for being with us. You brought up
23:24
Speaker 1: a really good point about the ski instructor. Would you
23:29
Speaker 1: repeat that please. What's interesting about this is we've got
23:34
Speaker 1: very polar opposite testimonies developing here. Where Senderson claims it
23:40
Speaker 1: was Paltrow's fault, gwenne is claiming that it was Snderson's fault.
23:45
Speaker 1: The differences between these two skiers are Sunderson is a
23:50
Speaker 1: thirty year experienced skier, whereas Gwenna's Paltroll was going down
23:56
Speaker 1: the slopes with an instructor. The problem that I see
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Speaker 1: developing here is typically when you're learning to ski with
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Speaker 1: an instructor, you're not going very fast and everybody shares
24:08
Speaker 1: the hill going in the same direction. That's a really
24:11
Speaker 1: good point. And I've been looking at case like a
24:14
Speaker 1: Rubik's cube, looking at it every which way. But Jason Jenson,
24:18
Speaker 1: you're right, Well you should consider being maybe a private
24:21
Speaker 1: investigator the way you analyze those facts with me. Another
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Speaker 1: special guest addition to our other All Star panel members,
24:28
Speaker 1: Mark Danola, ski safety expert at RYE Risk Ski Safety Consultant,
24:36
Speaker 1: and you can find him at RYE Risk Consulting dot com. Mark,
24:41
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. I've got so many questions
24:44
Speaker 1: about this case, but I'd like to hear your initial thoughts.
24:47
Speaker 1: My first thoughts on this case sort of follow the
24:51
Speaker 1: whole idea that if she is with a ski instructor
24:55
Speaker 1: with her children, they're not skiing fast. You know, her
25:00
Speaker 1: children are learning. She had hired an instructor to take
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Speaker 1: them down the mountain, and that is an important fact
25:10
Speaker 1: when you consider that the plaintiff in this case has
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Speaker 1: three years of experience, and if he's skiing down this
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Speaker 1: trail with that type of experience, his sense of speed
25:23
Speaker 1: is going to be a lot different than missus Paltrow's.
25:27
Speaker 1: And I would suspect that someone with that kind of
25:31
Speaker 1: experience skiing a green beginner run is he's going to
25:36
Speaker 1: be skiing a lot faster than those around him, and
25:39
Speaker 1: you know he has a duty to always stay in
25:42
Speaker 1: control and be able to stop and avoid other people
25:46
Speaker 1: or objects. And if Paltrow's to be believed with that background,
25:53
Speaker 1: if she is hit in the back. It came over
25:57
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out if we're going to hear
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Speaker 1: anything about injuries to her back. At the time Emily
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Speaker 1: Ashcroft joining us KSL. She left the traumatic event and
26:10
Speaker 1: went and had a massage. I wonder if the masseuse
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Speaker 1: is going to be called to testify to any bruises
26:18
Speaker 1: or scrapes on her back. Have we heard anything about that? No,
26:22
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any mention of that. Huh, Yeah, I
26:24
Speaker 1: think I would have would have heard about it, heard
26:27
Speaker 1: that if they were planning on Susan, because that would
26:31
Speaker 1: be I would believe Daryl Cohen, which we always look
26:35
Speaker 1: for in trying a case, and impartial witness. This last
26:38
Speaker 1: guy we heard from Craig. He is a friend of
26:43
Speaker 1: the plane f Terry Sanderson, age seventy six. One thing
26:47
Speaker 1: that really jumps out at me, Darryl is what Jason
26:50
Speaker 1: Jensen said and what Mark Danola said describing this slope
26:55
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a bunny slope, would you say that,
26:57
Speaker 1: Mark Danola, Yes, it's a beginners slope designed for all
27:03
Speaker 1: abilities to ski, but it's also in the same sentence
27:08
Speaker 1: that it's really designed for people who are learning ski exactly. So,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, I would be looking for an impartial witness,
27:15
Speaker 1: not somebody that was in the skiing party with either
27:18
Speaker 1: one of them, not with a doctor, and not with
27:21
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow. Someone on the outside looking in, like you know,
27:26
Speaker 1: maybe the massuse or maybe someone else skiing there that day.
27:31
Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Well, Nay, I think
27:33
Speaker 1: is I would agree with you, but it's difficult because
27:35
Speaker 1: remember it's cold in part City, so everybody's wearing ski jackets,
27:39
Speaker 1: everybody's wearing face coverings, and most people are probably wearing helmets.
27:44
Speaker 1: So though someone may have seen this collision, whether it's
27:47
Speaker 1: he into her or her into him, or they into
27:50
Speaker 1: each other, nobody paid much attention because this is what happens.
27:54
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. That's why Park City is
27:58
Speaker 1: no longer being sued because on ticket on the lift
28:01
Speaker 1: pass it says, you know it's inherently dangerous, be careful
28:04
Speaker 1: for boys, and girls, it's going to happen, and so yes,
28:08
Speaker 1: I would love an independent witness, but I don't see
28:11
Speaker 1: him or her coming forward. Obviously it's pretty late in
28:15
Speaker 1: the game because of all of those reasons and the
28:18
Speaker 1: massage therapist. I mean, look, you're well covered, you've got
28:22
Speaker 1: your ski gear on, you've got your thermal underwear, you've
28:26
Speaker 1: got your socks, you've got everything. So you're not going
28:28
Speaker 1: to be that visibly hurt unless you really collided at
28:32
Speaker 1: a very severe speed. Do you just just blurt things out?
28:36
Speaker 1: It's like stream of consciousness because you really think, I
28:39
Speaker 1: believe that underwear is going to protect you from a
28:43
Speaker 1: bruise that caused the other guy to get four fractured ribs.
28:47
Speaker 1: And Nancy, it can be. Fractured ribs can be just
28:50
Speaker 1: because underwear. I'm talking about the underwear. You said, she's
28:54
Speaker 1: very thermal underwear that would keep her from getting bruised.
28:57
Speaker 1: That's total BS man. That the other items not just underwear, sweaters,
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Speaker 1: all heavy jackets. Okay, okay, Daryl Cohen. And you're no
29:10
Speaker 1: stranger to these slopes either. And these slopes are expensive,
29:14
Speaker 1: aren't they, Daryl Cohen? Oh my gosh, they are so expensive.
29:18
Speaker 1: If you blow your nose, there's somebody there with a
29:20
Speaker 1: tissue waiting for you to help you. That's not expensive.
29:23
Speaker 1: Tell me what you're talking about? What kind of money?
29:26
Speaker 1: I mean? Is this going to cost me more to
29:27
Speaker 1: take the twins there than to let's just say, cruising around? Okay,
29:30
Speaker 1: Finuki swamp and look at the gators. Help me out here.
29:32
Speaker 1: What money are we talking about. We're talking a couple
29:35
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a day for a left pass or more
29:39
Speaker 1: per person, per person. Oh, it's not per group, it's
29:42
Speaker 1: per person. Okay, guys, we're hearing what the claims? Are
29:48
Speaker 1: you hear what Terry Sanderson now age seventy six, is claiming.
29:53
Speaker 1: But I want you to hear m what happens in core.
29:57
Speaker 1: Take listen our cut sixteen, Your honor. We have a
29:59
Speaker 1: new camera pointed directly at my client right there on
30:03
Speaker 1: the right, which we understand is from the AP. This
30:07
Speaker 1: is a string recess. I'll have the court representative Tanya,
30:12
Speaker 1: take a look at how that camera's pointed and make
30:14
Speaker 1: sure that it's pointed at the left turn rather than
30:17
Speaker 1: at the council table. And I want to be advised
30:20
Speaker 1: if there are new changes, because it's just by chance
30:24
Speaker 1: that we see that there's a camera pointed directly at her,
30:28
Speaker 1: which is contrary to the Decora mortar. So I don't
30:30
Speaker 1: want changes without reporters telling you. Okay, Emily Ashkov joining
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Speaker 1: us from KSL dot com. Is Gwyneth Paltrow, the Oscar
30:42
Speaker 1: winner who's been in dozens of movies and on dozens
30:46
Speaker 1: of high profile talk shows. Is she actually complaining about
30:50
Speaker 1: a camera. Yeah. They are being extremely particular about cameras.
30:54
Speaker 1: There's one photographer there. There's some video cameras in the
30:58
Speaker 1: room an edition, but we have one photographer, the fled in.
31:00
Speaker 1: He has to sit in his seat while he takes pictures.
31:03
Speaker 1: And she has a probably a bodyguard that if she's
31:07
Speaker 1: walking in the hall and he sees any phones pointed
31:10
Speaker 1: at her, he is on them. They're being extremely careful
31:13
Speaker 1: about photos. At one juncture, didn't Palchow hauled up her notepad, which,
31:18
Speaker 1: by the way, it's also from Goop, and she says
31:20
Speaker 1: the things she likes about it, Jackie, just so you know,
31:23
Speaker 1: is there the paper isn't lined, so she can just
31:26
Speaker 1: put her innermost thoughts and feelings quote all over the page. Okay,
31:29
Speaker 1: I thought That's why we have lines so you don't
31:32
Speaker 1: write all over the pay so you can read what
31:34
Speaker 1: you wrote. That said, isn't true, Emily Ashcraft, that she
31:39
Speaker 1: actually held up the note the notebook to hide from
31:45
Speaker 1: one photographer. Yeah, so on that first day that I
31:48
Speaker 1: was there, she was sticking that notebook into between herself
31:53
Speaker 1: and that photographer every time she walked in and out,
31:55
Speaker 1: or at least most times dates I think that's died down.
31:58
Speaker 1: Wasn't just one potographer. There's just one associated press photographer
32:02
Speaker 1: in the room. Yeah, okay, okay, so let me understand.
32:05
Speaker 1: It's not like the horn of paparazzi chasing Diana down
32:09
Speaker 1: the highway, right. It's one photographer, one photographer, and there
32:13
Speaker 1: are a few other photographers that have been kind of
32:15
Speaker 1: waiting outside, but they're not allowed to take any photos
32:18
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, so there might be five or so
32:20
Speaker 1: while she's going to her car. Okay, all right, guys,
32:23
Speaker 1: let's hear more. This is from our friends at Inside Edition.
32:26
Speaker 1: His X ray was shown in court. After his accident,
32:30
Speaker 1: he deteriorated abruptly, and many of the activities that he
32:34
Speaker 1: used to do he stopped doing. But Paltrow claims he
32:37
Speaker 1: hit her, and Paltrow has been getting a little free
32:40
Speaker 1: advertising during the trial. The lifestyle guru who founded her
32:44
Speaker 1: own luxury brand, Goop, has been wearing her own designs
32:48
Speaker 1: into court today. Paltrow wore a belt in kashmere cardigan
32:52
Speaker 1: sweater from her fashion brand g labeled by Goop. It's
32:55
Speaker 1: currently on her website for five hundred and ninety five dollars.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace All, we we're hearing about
33:21
Speaker 1: Paltrow is losing her half day of skiing, her wardrobe,
33:25
Speaker 1: and her two hundred and fifty million dollar website from him.
33:28
Speaker 1: We're hearing actual complaints. But is he telling the truth?
33:34
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cup forty four Paltrow under questioning,
33:38
Speaker 1: where she says she actually thought she was being sex assaulted.
33:41
Speaker 1: You guys are on the ground. Now you realize, right
33:45
Speaker 1: you're and you're not saying to the jury that this
33:47
Speaker 1: was in any way, shape or form a sexual assault.
33:49
Speaker 1: I am not saying that. I'm just saying what went
33:52
Speaker 1: through my mind for a split second when it was happening.
33:55
Speaker 1: All right, great, so you're down on the ground and
34:00
Speaker 1: then you started yelling at him. I don't remember if
34:05
Speaker 1: I started yelling at him while I was on the ground.
34:08
Speaker 1: I remember pushing away because I was very upset and
34:13
Speaker 1: it was still very strange to me what had happened.
34:18
Speaker 1: And I pushed down the hill and I turned around
34:22
Speaker 1: and I said, and I yelled at him, is he
34:25
Speaker 1: telling the truth? Because you know what, there have been
34:28
Speaker 1: a lot of claims in the past that were totally fake.
34:32
Speaker 1: Take a list of our cut thirty two or our
34:34
Speaker 1: friends at ABC now list of this. It's two seniors
34:38
Speaker 1: age sixty eight and seventy two, two women, I think
34:41
Speaker 1: at a grocery store of publics. I think it was.
34:44
Speaker 1: And thank goodness, I've got cameras in publics because these
34:46
Speaker 1: two seniors stage a slip and fall. It's called right
34:50
Speaker 1: there on camera. Take a listen. Superbard County women are
34:54
Speaker 1: in trouble with the law after police say they staged
34:57
Speaker 1: a slip and fall accident in publics. The video show
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Speaker 1: seventy two year old Janella Howard getting down on her
35:03
Speaker 1: hands and knees. She even adjusted her hair before lying down.
35:06
Speaker 1: Sixty eight year old Susan Snow is their caregiver, then
35:09
Speaker 1: pushes her shopping cart away to look for help. Rescue
35:12
Speaker 1: crews eventually take Howard away. The two women tried to
35:15
Speaker 1: sue publics for three hundred thousand dollars. They're Dutch. I
35:20
Speaker 1: don't think you can get away with it. I mean
35:24
Speaker 1: unless they pup proved they fell. Investigators say six people
35:29
Speaker 1: have been arrested for fake slipping falls at other Bavard
35:32
Speaker 1: stores and gas stations in recent months. I love the
35:35
Speaker 1: way the one senior fixed her hair before she slipped
35:39
Speaker 1: and fell. But one of my favorites is a guy.
35:42
Speaker 1: This is mcmccormick wyf Evans Spartanburg staging a fake fall
35:48
Speaker 1: in a grocery store, and there was a lot of
35:51
Speaker 1: staging going on in this one. I love watching it.
35:53
Speaker 1: I've watched it over and over and over. Take a
35:55
Speaker 1: lessen Our Cut thirty one. A man claimed he slipped
35:58
Speaker 1: on a puddle near a wet floor sign in Jimmy's
36:01
Speaker 1: Fresh Air Galaxy. Surveillance video from the grocery store shows
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Speaker 1: him on the floor after the so called accident and
36:08
Speaker 1: how it all went down. At first, he's walking around shopping.
36:12
Speaker 1: You can see a bottle of yellow colored juice in
36:14
Speaker 1: his cart. He walks down an aisle and when he
36:17
Speaker 1: gets to a yellow wet floor sign. He moves it.
36:19
Speaker 1: The store's owner says. The man opens the bottle and
36:22
Speaker 1: lets the juice pour out. He walks away, then goes
36:25
Speaker 1: back to the cart and keeps walking. The owner says.
36:28
Speaker 1: The man puts the bottle on a shelf in another aisle,
36:31
Speaker 1: then returns to the aisle where he poured the juice
36:33
Speaker 1: and plops down near the puddle. Paramedics took him to
36:37
Speaker 1: the hospital. The store owner reviewed the surveillance video and
36:40
Speaker 1: called police. Officers investigated and decided to charge forty year
36:44
Speaker 1: old Michael Reinhardt with shoplifting for using the juice and
36:48
Speaker 1: attempting to obtain money by false pretenses. So he got
36:51
Speaker 1: a t buys for using the juice, theft by shoplifting
36:55
Speaker 1: on top charges a fraud. And there's another thing we
37:00
Speaker 1: have to take into account. Gwyneth Paltrow, who I love
37:03
Speaker 1: as an actress. I loved her in Emma Lucy and
37:07
Speaker 1: I've watched Emma Link three times. You have to take
37:11
Speaker 1: into account she's very high profile and a lot of
37:14
Speaker 1: people might target her. Is that true here, don't know,
37:17
Speaker 1: but take a listen to our cut thirty five and
37:20
Speaker 1: another case like that. Listen. Britney Spears was once sued
37:24
Speaker 1: by a man who claimed he was her friend and
37:26
Speaker 1: that they had an oral agreement for him to be
37:28
Speaker 1: her manager. Considering how crazy things were in the years
37:31
Speaker 1: before the conservatorship was set up, anythings possible. Sam Ludfie
37:35
Speaker 1: claimed he was owed money from two thousand and seven,
37:37
Speaker 1: when the oral agreement for manager was in place. He
37:40
Speaker 1: also accused Britney's mother of libel and her father a battery.
37:43
Speaker 1: The case got in front of a judge in twenty
37:45
Speaker 1: twelve and the judge dismissed it. Ludfy appealed the case
37:47
Speaker 1: languish for a few more years until Brittany gave him
37:50
Speaker 1: a settlement to go away. TMZ said that ludfee settlement
37:53
Speaker 1: was in the low six figure. Oh my stars, just
37:59
Speaker 1: taken a shot at Brittany, the sad lofty dude. I
38:02
Speaker 1: remember him, and you've got Jennifer Lopez love her. Take
38:09
Speaker 1: a listen to this lawsuit filed against her. Jennifer Lopez
38:13
Speaker 1: is currently happily married to Ben Afflack, but he was
38:16
Speaker 1: not her first husband. That title belongs to O'hani. Noah
38:19
Speaker 1: Ohani was the manager of the world famous Congo Room
38:22
Speaker 1: when he and j Low became a husband and wife.
38:25
Speaker 1: After a beautiful ceremony with two hundred and fifty friends
38:27
Speaker 1: and family, President j Lo asked Ohney to come to
38:30
Speaker 1: work as the manager of her restaurant, Madre's for a
38:33
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a week. Ohanni Noah became the manager of
38:36
Speaker 1: Lopez Madres in Pasadena, California. Ohani was promised that no
38:41
Speaker 1: matter what happened in the marriage, he would never be
38:43
Speaker 1: fired without cause. Well, six months later, his marriage was
38:46
Speaker 1: headed for divorce and he was fired, So he sued
38:49
Speaker 1: his now ex wife slash boss for a breach of contract. Seriously,
38:53
Speaker 1: what did he think was going to happen? And of
38:56
Speaker 1: course Jamie Fox was targeted was sued by a bartender.
39:01
Speaker 1: I don't know if target is is exactly the right
39:04
Speaker 1: we're or take a listen to this. Jamie Fox through
39:06
Speaker 1: an afterparty for his unpredictable tour and to make it
39:09
Speaker 1: extra special, he tricked out the bar with a fully
39:12
Speaker 1: sculptured ice bar. Bartender William Pressler claims he was hired
39:16
Speaker 1: to work the party, and he claims the representatives from
39:19
Speaker 1: Belvedere Vodka and China Grill restaurant argued with Fox employees
39:22
Speaker 1: over whether the sculpture was safe to work around. One
39:25
Speaker 1: turns out it wasn't safe for a man with a
39:27
Speaker 1: bachelor's in neuroscience attending to a medical externship while bartending
39:32
Speaker 1: to pay the bills, William Pressler claims he slipped on
39:35
Speaker 1: ice that overflowed from the bar. When he fell, a
39:38
Speaker 1: shard of glass sliced his left hand, severing three nerves
39:41
Speaker 1: and requiring one hundred and seventy stitches. Pressler gave up
39:44
Speaker 1: his plans to go to medical school and become a
39:46
Speaker 1: brain surgeon. Instead, he sues Jamie Fox and others for
39:50
Speaker 1: everything from negligence to emotional distress. Wow, okay is that
39:54
Speaker 1: happening in this case? Don't know, but we do know
39:58
Speaker 1: Paltrow has been on the stand giving her side of
40:01
Speaker 1: the story. I want to go back to ski safety
40:04
Speaker 1: expert at RYE Risk Consulting dot com, Mark Danola, What,
40:10
Speaker 1: if anything do slopes do to avoid crashes just like
40:14
Speaker 1: this one? Well, the ski patrol is the front line
40:19
Speaker 1: for any ski area to give the safety message that
40:24
Speaker 1: you've got to ski in control and stop a fashion
40:27
Speaker 1: that you can stopper avoid other people or objects and
40:32
Speaker 1: let the people downhill have the right of way. Typically
40:37
Speaker 1: a ski area like the one in question, um, they
40:42
Speaker 1: would be advertising ski safety when you buy your tickets,
40:47
Speaker 1: when you're at lunch, maybe on the hill at the
40:50
Speaker 1: when you get on the list. So it's it's a
40:53
Speaker 1: well known effort by the ski area operators to you
41:00
Speaker 1: have the safety message that you've got a skin in control,
41:03
Speaker 1: especially if this is a bunny slope, a learning slope,
41:07
Speaker 1: and you've got your children with you. I would think
41:09
Speaker 1: that this would be a pretty tame way to introduce
41:12
Speaker 1: them to skiing. And to Jason Jensen, private investigator, owner
41:16
Speaker 1: of Jensen Private Investigations and co founder of Coal Case Coalition,
41:21
Speaker 1: what should investigators be doing to prove this case one
41:26
Speaker 1: way or the other? Well, definitely, what was kind of
41:29
Speaker 1: alluded to earlier today is that if you're going to
41:32
Speaker 1: sue somebody for any injury, you're going to want to
41:35
Speaker 1: have independent witnesses to corroborate your claims. Especially here where
41:40
Speaker 1: we've got competing lawsuits where she's counterclaimed, You're going to
41:45
Speaker 1: want to have better evidence than he said she said,
41:48
Speaker 1: So you'll want to go take an investigator and go
41:52
Speaker 1: find anybody that may have been involved with you during
41:58
Speaker 1: that day, whether it be ski patrol, ambulance, medical, you know,
42:04
Speaker 1: the masseuse people at the at the concierge or whatever
42:10
Speaker 1: that could help you corroborate that your claim was made
42:14
Speaker 1: early on Nancy Yeah, jumping Karin Stark, what is that
42:18
Speaker 1: the ski instructor? Exactly would he be considered impartial to
42:23
Speaker 1: Emily Ashcraft? Was a ski instructor right there when it happened. Yeah,
42:28
Speaker 1: so he says he didn't see it happen, but he
42:31
Speaker 1: saw the immediate aftermath. It would have taken a few
42:34
Speaker 1: seconds for it to happen. And you know, another issue
42:37
Speaker 1: to doctor Harvey Castro joining us and you can find
42:41
Speaker 1: him at Harvey Castro md dot info. Doctor Castro, I'm
42:46
Speaker 1: hearing about his injuries, his broken fractured ribs and his
42:50
Speaker 1: alleged concussion slash brain injury. I'm hearing about her half
42:55
Speaker 1: a day loss of skiing. But really, those injured race
43:00
Speaker 1: don't tell me whose fault it was, really, do they correct?
43:04
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's hard to tell. And you know, hindsight
43:07
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, you know, in the emergency room we do
43:10
Speaker 1: a cat scan, but by now I know he's had
43:12
Speaker 1: multiple m RIS, multiple scans, multiple exams by different providers.
43:17
Speaker 1: There should be a laundry list of different medical records
43:19
Speaker 1: that they should be able to go back and look
43:21
Speaker 1: at these symptoms to see if these are truly medical.
43:24
Speaker 1: As an aside, I'd really want do you every want
43:26
Speaker 1: to know about this, because I don't think a lot
43:28
Speaker 1: of people know this, But doctor Wendell Gibbey, he's actually
43:32
Speaker 1: the radiologist that read this cat scan or initially, but
43:37
Speaker 1: he actually owns an AI company And I'm not promoting
43:39
Speaker 1: his company in anyway, but I find it interesting that
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Speaker 1: you have the founder CEO of a major corporation reading
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Speaker 1: a cat scan on a very famous case. And it
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Speaker 1: makes me wonder if the cat scan radiologist called him
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Speaker 1: and said, hey, this is a big case. We want
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Speaker 1: you to be on this. And if you go on
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Speaker 1: his website, it's really interesting because he talks about himself
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Speaker 1: being a practicing middle interventionist radiologist of his own technology
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Speaker 1: that he uses, So it almost seems kind of interesting
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Speaker 1: how all of this is coming to play because of
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Speaker 1: this particular case. You know, doctor Castro, I would never
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Speaker 1: have thought of that, but I do love Daryl Cohen
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Speaker 1: before I take a case to trial, to look at
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Speaker 1: every single shred, every sintilla of evidence I can find
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Speaker 1: about each witness so I can spread it on them
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Speaker 1: on cross examination or alternately prepare them for an intense
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Speaker 1: cross examination if they're my witness, right, regret it, well,
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Speaker 1: I hope all the lawyers just heard what doctor castro
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Speaker 1: I said. Guys, we're waiting for the outcome of this case.
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Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow, if she loses, she's going to have to
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Speaker 1: make a lot more of vagina candles. Nancy Gray signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye for