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TMCP Ep 17: Plant Goes Down and Pacquiao Returns? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Wells. And
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  Speaker 1: in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Towns
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  Speaker 1: with six wins, three.
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  Speaker 2: Losses, two arrests, four late.
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  Speaker 1: Payments on student loans, and two total bankruptcies hits Doug Classy.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go high. Welcome and thank you for another edition
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  Speaker 3: of the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course, I'm one of
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  Speaker 3: your hosts, Jamison Wells, and as always I am joined
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  Speaker 3: by the classic alcoholic Classy. What's going on? Man? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: what's up?
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  Speaker 2: Jamison?
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  Speaker 4: I am feeling pretty damn good today. Happy to be
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  Speaker 4: here recording episode seventeen of our show. We had a
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  Speaker 4: really interesting weekend in the boxing world, and we've got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of upcoming stuff to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: So before I get.
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  Speaker 4: In all that, I think I want to get up
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  Speaker 4: give out a couple of shout outs. Episode drops June fifth,
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  Speaker 4: but we're recording a couple of days early.
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  Speaker 2: Today.
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  Speaker 4: June and third is actually the ninth anniversary of the
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  Speaker 4: passing of Muhammad Ali lug Out, and I gotta say
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  Speaker 4: I'm a shocked that it's been almost a decade since
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  Speaker 4: we lost the man did you know it been that long?
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel like just yesterday?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels doesn't feel not in years, but the
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  Speaker 3: way time flies, I'm not surprised, like time really flies.
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  Speaker 3: So unfortunately, it does make sense.
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  Speaker 4: And I have been told by many times by friends,
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  Speaker 4: including our producer, who is a few ages a few
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  Speaker 4: years older than we are, that as you get older,
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  Speaker 4: it just seems to move fast.
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  Speaker 2: You know, times move faster.
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  Speaker 4: We're almost forty, and damn man, I just turned thirty
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  Speaker 4: like six months ago.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it feels like until it ain't. Well.
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  Speaker 4: If you're just joining the show, be sure to check
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  Speaker 4: out our previous episode Uber sixteen, because we discussed the
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  Speaker 4: documentary called When We Were Kings.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about all these.
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  Speaker 4: Legendary fight against George Foreman in nineteen seventy four, which
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  Speaker 4: is called The Rumble of the Jungle. We probably should
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  Speaker 4: have saved that movie for this episode, but I'm bad
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  Speaker 4: at playing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly.
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  Speaker 4: The reason I realized that it was the passing is
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  Speaker 4: because I coincidentally I was listening to an old episode
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  Speaker 4: of the Bodigga Boys podcast from June twenty sixteen, so
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  Speaker 4: they mentioned that Ali had just died. So shout out
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  Speaker 4: to uh DeJesus and Marrow for that reminder. I'm still
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  Speaker 4: not over the breakup. And since we're sports podcasts, you know,
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  Speaker 4: shout out to all the New York Knicks fans disappointed
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  Speaker 4: that they did not make it to the NBA Finals
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  Speaker 4: this year.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I know, I mean necescerely.
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  Speaker 4: I don't follow basketball, but I follow I keep an
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  Speaker 4: eye on the Knicks and the Yankees because if they
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  Speaker 4: either win the championship, that's a chance that we can
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  Speaker 4: get Theesus and Marrow back. Maybe not for podcasters, I know,
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I follow the SUS a lot on other things.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't nah, I know, listen, I know me right.
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  Speaker 3: Not like if you see how they've operated since they've split,
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  Speaker 3: You've seen ones way more active than the other.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, and I know you're right.
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  Speaker 4: I just I think I don't know if maybe, if
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  Speaker 4: the Yankees win, maybe at least an Instagram life together
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  Speaker 4: where they're like a shot at Yankees twenty seven rings.
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  Speaker 2: That was twenty eight d X all day.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't think I've ever gonna get over it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm never gonna let it go.
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  Speaker 3: No Marrow is a guy. Merrow was the one really
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  Speaker 3: carrying that show, and you can tell since why it's
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  Speaker 3: been different now. I fall both of them on social media,
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  Speaker 3: but Merrill is the one really really really really really
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  Speaker 3: like he was the one, and he ain't. The way
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  Speaker 3: he operates, he ain't going back to that. He ain't.
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  Speaker 4: I deep down, I know you're right, I know, but
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  Speaker 4: I still, like I said, I still keep an eye
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  Speaker 4: on it.
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  Speaker 3: When the Knicks are going to be at the damn
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  Speaker 3: finals or not. Yeah, it'll be good for business. Everything's
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  Speaker 3: good whenever the Knicks are lakers or in the playoffs
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  Speaker 3: or anything. It's always good for numbers of business. No
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  Speaker 3: matter what you're doing, everyone's gonna take a look. Everybody's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be engaged. So I get it. I get it. Well.
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  Speaker 4: Next shout out, June is Pride month, So shout out
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  Speaker 4: to all of the LGBT boxing fans out there. Field
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  Speaker 4: the need to mention it because unfortunately, boxing fans aren't
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  Speaker 4: always the most inclusive punch. I see people on boxing
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  Speaker 4: Instagram still using comments like using gay as an insult,
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  Speaker 4: like we're not in twenty twenty five. Just to be clear,
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  Speaker 4: we don't fuck with that here, this is an inclusive podcast,
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  Speaker 4: and we believe boxing is for everybody, not just to watch,
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  Speaker 4: but to participate it. But because I was curious if
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  Speaker 4: there were ever any openly gay boxers in recent times,
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  Speaker 4: I found what now retired?
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  Speaker 2: But Jameson, have you heard of Orlando Cruz from Puerto Rico.
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  Speaker 3: I saw something like that recently when you did the rundown.
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  Speaker 3: I saw that somebody else tweeted or something. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was not that's likely familiar with them, but I
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  Speaker 3: would learn something new this week.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, Orlanda Cruz like he was never an amazing next
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  Speaker 4: level fighter, but he had a solid record twenty five wins,
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  Speaker 4: seven losses, two draws, thirteen ko out of those wins
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  Speaker 4: he came out. Yeah, he came out in twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, he had to deal with homophobia from the
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  Speaker 4: boxing world, including from trainer Peter Fury, who is Tyson
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  Speaker 4: Fury's uncle. His last fight was a twenty eighteen and
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  Speaker 4: it was a draw against our friend Lamon Roach of
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  Speaker 4: all people. So cru said he'd been in contact with
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  Speaker 4: a few other gate boxers who hadn't come out, and
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  Speaker 4: I just want to say, you know, hopefully the sport
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  Speaker 4: can catch up with the times eventually and welcome more
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  Speaker 4: openly gay fighters. So shout out to Orlando Cruz, No,
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  Speaker 4: shout out to boxing fans.
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  Speaker 2: He used the gay slers. We're off that shit.
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  Speaker 3: So it's tough because here's a situation I don't care,
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  Speaker 3: Like when someone is gay straight with her I person
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  Speaker 3: don't care. I don't know what you do. But I
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  Speaker 3: don't think we're mature enough as a community to deal
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  Speaker 3: with a good boxer that is gay or bad. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think we are mature enough. I don't think we
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  Speaker 3: are ready for it. Like boxing is a different sport.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you understand the ruleness that comes with
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  Speaker 3: the fan base of boxing, and I don't think I
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  Speaker 3: just don't think we're ready for that. Could be wrong,
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  Speaker 3: but I thowt they we're ready for that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would just like for all of us.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if if this show does anything, hey, maybe
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  Speaker 4: somebody will listen to us and think, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: these guys are cool. They're not talking shit about you know,
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  Speaker 4: we get using gay as a slur for boxes or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that. Plus, you know we talk about women
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  Speaker 4: who fight all the time. You know this is not
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  Speaker 4: a macho for men. Only manly sport. You know, there
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  Speaker 4: are a lot of great women fighting out there, and
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  Speaker 4: we're we're absolutely in sport of them.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's let's jump into the news.
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  Speaker 4: So as always, I woke up this morning at the
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  Speaker 4: krak of noon, went to the newsstand and got a
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  Speaker 4: copy of the Boxing Gazette and right at front page news.
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  Speaker 4: This past Saturday, May thirty, first, we had a major upset.
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  Speaker 4: Caleb Plant lost by split decision to Adamannotics. In these
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  Speaker 4: Plant's record now stands at twenty three wins and three losses,
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  Speaker 4: all three of them to Mexican guys. Because he lost
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  Speaker 4: to Canelo and David Benavidez Jamison spite was in Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: Did you make it out?
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  Speaker 3: Did not make it out? Unfortunately, however, it was wrong timing.
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  Speaker 3: So here's the thing. That fight was the same night
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  Speaker 3: as a Kindred concert, not a smart as susicion. Sorry, Like,
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  Speaker 3: it's already tough getting down to the strip in that
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  Speaker 3: area already. If you have another event in town, like
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  Speaker 3: you gotta be mindful of that. And the tour skin
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  Speaker 3: has been out since that timber, so there is no
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  Speaker 3: excuse for this to take place. But no, unfortunately was
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  Speaker 3: not able to make it out, but I did watch
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  Speaker 3: and definitely surprised. But also, when boxers don't come in prepared,
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  Speaker 3: you fuck around and find out. I think that's a
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  Speaker 3: big thing we're noticing more is that when the boxes
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  Speaker 3: down on their air game and they're fighting someone who's hungry,
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna find out that this is not a walk
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  Speaker 3: in the park, and sometimes they don't find out so
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  Speaker 3: too late.
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  Speaker 4: Well, on that note, did you think Plant was unprepared
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  Speaker 4: or maybe you know, there's a difference between unprepared and
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  Speaker 4: just the other person just had a great night and
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  Speaker 4: you know, studied them well and all that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he took the opponent seriously.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's where more come from. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: he took them point of seriously. But also when you're
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  Speaker 3: a guy like Kayleb Plant that has something to lose
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  Speaker 3: to where when you have a contingent fight based off
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  Speaker 3: of this result, there are certain mindset I expect a
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  Speaker 3: boxer to have when you're in that kind of stage,
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  Speaker 3: that kind of situation, and when you don't bring your
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  Speaker 3: egg game, I have some returns.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, And I'm glad you brought that up because another
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  Speaker 4: point I wanted to make during this fight, and that
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  Speaker 4: just kept saying, Oh, for the next fight Jamal Charlow.
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  Speaker 2: And Plant, you know, this would be the big one. Ba.
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  Speaker 4: We're sitting up this fight, so I know that if
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  Speaker 4: you're a boxer, you're always gonna be looking at you know,
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  Speaker 4: what's my next move? What's my next move? But I'm
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  Speaker 4: kind of getting tired of fights being billed as the
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  Speaker 4: setup for the next thing, Like, can we just can
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  Speaker 4: we just treat this like a big important fight because
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  Speaker 4: they're all important, they're all they're all a big deal
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  Speaker 4: because getting in that ring is a big fucking deal.
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  Speaker 2: Every time you.
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  Speaker 3: Know it is what it ain't though, because you remember,
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  Speaker 3: you still got a market thing, So I understand why
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  Speaker 3: it's done. However, it's one of those things where you
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  Speaker 3: can do both. You can stress the importance of this
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  Speaker 3: fight while also marketing the potential fight next.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I understand that.
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  Speaker 4: I guess you know me, I'm always gonna go back
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  Speaker 4: to movie references.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of feels like.
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  Speaker 4: When you're watching a movie, a comic book movie, and
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  Speaker 4: they're talking about that they're setting up this guy is
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  Speaker 4: the bad guy for the next one, and bringing up
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  Speaker 4: this thing. I just want to sit there and enjoy
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  Speaker 4: this damn movie. I don't want to think about what's
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  Speaker 4: gonna happen six months from now, a year from now.
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  Speaker 4: It takes me out of it just annoys me that
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not here for Plant versus Charld, I'm
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  Speaker 4: here for Plant versus the guy that's in the ring
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  Speaker 4: with them.
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  Speaker 3: I feel you, But here's the issue. The way that
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  Speaker 3: we've always market and fights, especially when fighter contingent on results.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of all they know. They don't know how
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  Speaker 3: to market without mentioning the next possibility. It's always the hey,
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  Speaker 3: if this happens, this is next, instead of hey, let's
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  Speaker 3: just figure out this one first and go from there.
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  Speaker 3: It's always been a contingency based sport and a lot
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  Speaker 3: of in a lot of stuations. That's fair.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I had the same complaints about the New
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  Speaker 4: York Times boxing event where you know, Haiti and Garcia
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  Speaker 4: were fighting, simple and they would not they would not
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  Speaker 4: shut up about oh.
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  Speaker 2: Haiti versus Garcia, event, Haiti versus Garcia.
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  Speaker 4: It just it made what I was watching feel less important,
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  Speaker 4: Like this wasn't I mean, obviously after the fact that
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  Speaker 4: New York type of boxing thing was not important because
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  Speaker 4: it was shitty, But that's either here or there.
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  Speaker 2: It just it just dilutes what what I'm watching.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm sitting there stoked to watch this fight
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  Speaker 4: and all you're talking about, Well, the next one is
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  Speaker 4: gonna be even better, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I understand where you're coming from, but they gotta here's
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  Speaker 3: the issue though, I think like this, whenever there's a
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  Speaker 3: storyline or intrigue, you gotta sell it like you have to,
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  Speaker 3: like you, they would be dis honest not doing it.
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  Speaker 3: So I understand where you're coming from, and I actually
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  Speaker 3: agree with you. Like you, they focus more on the
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  Speaker 3: fight itself because it's disingenuous to the people watching that
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  Speaker 3: you you think about something else that hasn't even happened
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  Speaker 3: yet to what's going on here. I really one hundred percent. However,
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  Speaker 3: you still got a marketing, especially his part of the
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  Speaker 3: story white the rematch or a potential fight is a
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  Speaker 3: parlor story of this fight as well, and that's fair.
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  Speaker 4: All I'll say is that, you know, I just I
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  Speaker 4: wish it took a different approach. But either way, the
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  Speaker 4: plant to send these fight was awesome. Amanda to send
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  Speaker 4: these was an excellent form.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: He the last half was brutal man. He caught a
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  Speaker 4: Plant with a couple of really good hopes. I think
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  Speaker 4: around the seventh round wobbled him. Plant just never really recovered.
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  Speaker 4: He never got back his mojo. And I'm excited to
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  Speaker 4: see what Amanda to send these does next. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he was a real uh definitely an underdog in this fight,
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  Speaker 4: another fight that if it occurred to me, I would
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  Speaker 4: have bet on because I was gonna bet on the
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  Speaker 4: Mexican guy, of course, and it just I have to
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm never gonna not bet again.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I've been.
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  Speaker 4: Burned too many times between this at the Rolier Meryl
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  Speaker 4: fight against Garcia, that I just missed the boat on.
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  Speaker 3: I feel you, I understand. Before we move on to
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  Speaker 3: the next topic, we had to also calm down on
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  Speaker 3: the prospects. So there's a lot of energy around Carmaro Motin,
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  Speaker 3: but we need to slow down a little bit, like
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  Speaker 3: we need to slow down just a bit. There's a
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  Speaker 3: little too much gas on it. And I feel that
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  Speaker 3: whenever we see a spark in someone young, it feels
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  Speaker 3: like we try to instantly compare him that greats and
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  Speaker 3: we do it in every sport, but we do it
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  Speaker 3: in boxing way too quickly, and especially when no one's
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  Speaker 3: really fought anybody of record or similar talent as them.
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  Speaker 3: So I just hope people kind of slowed things down.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen too many young guys get put on a
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  Speaker 3: certain veedestal and they fight real fights and they lose.
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  Speaker 3: It changed everything. Like Adrian Brauner had a lot of issues,
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  Speaker 3: and that's a whole different episode for another day, But
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  Speaker 3: we tried to escalate his career so fast and we
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  Speaker 3: found out he wasn't even that good, and then when
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  Speaker 3: he got humbled, it was over. I hope that we
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  Speaker 3: want to learn the lessons from guys in the past
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to the under eyes that show talent,
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  Speaker 3: and we bring them up accordingly and kind of have
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  Speaker 3: similar expectations to their skill set into their situations that
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  Speaker 3: to say, oh, they're the next the next that they're
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  Speaker 3: the next PPV star. No, we need to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we take things.
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  Speaker 4: Fight by fight, like you mentioned, No, I definitely agree
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  Speaker 4: with that. I mean, I've been burned.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Jared, the big baby Baby Anderson was supposed to be
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  Speaker 4: the next big heavyweight superstar and he's a talented fighter,
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  Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, but.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: Actually where he's from, honestly, but they put him up
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  Speaker 4: against Martin mccoley and he uh.
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  Speaker 3: I remember, I remember. I remember. That sucks because we
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  Speaker 3: try to or looking for the next star instead of
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  Speaker 3: enjoying the good fighters that they are in their current state,
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  Speaker 3: We're looking for something more that sometimes they're there, and
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  Speaker 3: that's not fair to the fighter the times.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So I had to look it up. Jared the
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  Speaker 4: big baby, andocent is from a high actually yeah, And
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  Speaker 4: you know, I remember the big old fuss everybody was
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  Speaker 4: making about Niko Oli Walsh, you know, the uh to
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  Speaker 4: his credit he always said and the interviews, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they're really pushing my career because of my name and
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  Speaker 4: my background. He never hid that. He was never like, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a I'm the next big thing. I'm the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the next superstar. He would always put it out there like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I got a lot of backing. They're really
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  Speaker 4: believe in me because of my name, so you know,
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  Speaker 4: to shout out to him for that, But yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's can we focus on the current fight fighter is
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  Speaker 4: fighting and not worry about the next ten things they're
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  Speaker 4: going to do.
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  Speaker 2: Right that goes for him and and for Marvel movies
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  Speaker 2: and Spider Man movies as well. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: On the same night then we had plant Ver Citizen These.
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  Speaker 4: Right before that, we had the return of Jamal Charlow
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  Speaker 4: against the guy named Thomas Lamana. Did you watch that
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  Speaker 4: fight against the guy nicknamed Cornflake?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, thing I have. The Charlote brothers in general
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  Speaker 3: kind of disappoint me because its talented as they seem,
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  Speaker 3: and as much as they talk, we don't get the
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  Speaker 3: performances to back those things up. We just don't like
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  Speaker 3: for all the things we've heard, all things we've seen
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  Speaker 3: flashes of we just don't really see it. We have
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  Speaker 3: one guy been begging for a Canelli fight one guy.
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  Speaker 3: It's just no, no, Like, I'm not a huge fan
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: at this point. Like I've seen enough to where I'm
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: not gonna go out of my way to see them
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: fight someone less. They're fighting a better fighter than that.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: They got to fight somebody better. I mean, I'm gonna watch,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: of course, but I'm not really too thrilled about it anymore.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: They've had their chances to really make us make a
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: name and take a leap. I just ain't seen it.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: But I've seen more out of the ring situations, ironically,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: plant ironically in the last few years, but it's just
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: always something non boxing. The actual boxing itself has been
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: very underwhelming. Yeah, I know.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: There's a differ between of course I'm gonna watch a
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: fight because it's on, and being invested in a fight.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's why.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: I Yeah, I think, uh, I think I saw oh Man,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: don't quote me exactly, but I'm pretty sure right before
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: the Charlo fight and said that second that he had
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: two fights in four years before this one or something
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: That's way too long. And now I'm.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Not gonna I'm not gonna do the thing the boxing
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: fans do when they haven't heard of someone and call
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: somebody and nobody blah blah blah. But also, who the
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: fuck is corn Flake? And why haven't I heard of
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: a dude? Was such a stupid nickname? Have you heard
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: of this tape?
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Park? Did? Did you?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Cornflake? He he had, he had the technical skills, he
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: was just too slow on the draw. You could see
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: the way he was moving. He was doing the right
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: things you needed to do for defense. He just could
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: not defend fast enough against Charlo's Charlo's punches back, so
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: he you know, he also had a good record I
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: got to here, he was He's thirty nine, thirty nine
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: with six losses.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: One draw, so you know, not.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah nothing nothing, yeah yeah yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Also another thing I noticed, when Cornflick was landing, you
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: could even tell there wasn't much power behind those fights,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: those punches, compared to when yeah, Charlie, you could you
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: could hear that ship with Charlo landed on Cornflake.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yes I did, I am no.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: And then Charlo's gonna get a decent fight going forward,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: because you know, this is like a tune up fight basically,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: like hey, I'm around, so he'll get a better fight
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: going forward. But I need to see him versus someone
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: that's equally as talented, if not better, both of them, actually,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: but I need to see them versus guys that are
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: equally talented, if not better, to see how they formed,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: because I've kind of seen what I need to see
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: out of them, Like there's nothing really special. It's way
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: more gas than anything. And I'm not a fan of
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: getting gassed up when it comes to boxing anymore. I'm
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: tired of benefit of the doubts. I'm tired of the
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: oh well you know they're at home or oh no,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I'm tired. I need to see results. I need to
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: see results. Until then, I'm cool.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Well with that said, now that we've seen Caleb Plant
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: lose three times to Mexican guys, and we saw Charlotte,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you know, do do a great job against some guide
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: in porn flake, what do you think if they do
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: end up matching up? What do you think about Charlie
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: versus flat?
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: What's going on to me?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: So?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, stick up is what it is? You know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I mean I'll download to before it. It's not all
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: interesting right now, like they're gonna have to build that
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: back up, like you're gonna need to fight. I would
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: say between now and probably like October, just to get
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: things back rolling, because once once somebody lose, it just
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: shakes everything out like there's no there's no interest, no
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: more unless it's on the bottom en of a card.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: It's a part of a car. Like let's say, I'm
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: not saying it's an afternoon fight, but it was like
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: the third fight before main fight. Okay, cool, but it's not. No,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: it's no more like co feature or in the top
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: headlines that ain't hit no more. Nah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, and you know, hey, maybe I'm Mando Sendys
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: couldn't take.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: On Charlie or some other people in that weight class
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: and had built up his name because you know, he's
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: he's earned, he's earned his shot. He definitely had a
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: wonderful performance. Charlo had a very good performance against a
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: guy that just was wasn't on this level. No disrespect
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: to you, cornflake. Oh again, shout out to you, corn
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: flake for getting in that ring that always takes guts.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I will give him credit for being prepared. It looks
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: like he took the assignment seriously. And as all we
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: asked for from guys that we know of that are
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: still have their skill set is take the assignment seriously
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: when you're in a tune up fight or stay ready fight.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: That's all we asked for. We don't have for anything else.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and uh yeah, for that particular fight, it went
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: five rounds and the doctor recommended it stopped right at
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the beginning of the sixth, right when the bell rang
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: in the sixth round, And honestly, I'm I'm surprised the
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: rerec didn't stop at himself at the fifth because court
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: corn Flake was getting his ass frosted. Ah, you can
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: cut that out, we can, we can we get keep
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: him the drafts folder this saturdyday, dude seventh. Speaking of prospects, actually,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: the Zone is going to have an event called Most
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Valuable Prospect. The main fight is two women, Betris Ferreda
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: with an eye and Maria Freda with a wi. So uh,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: this is med school that's got a lot of up
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: and comers nobody ever heard of. Beatris is six and oh,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Maria is eleven and zero. And the showcase will have
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: folks that you know, very very early in their career.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: You know, they got a guy named are Vias Ingram
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: eleven or no, Alexis chapano four and o and Rene
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: t Is eleven or no.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: So again names I haven't heard of.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: But hey, you know we've talked about before that we
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: used to see people that are had you know, four
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: and O, six and oh, and then we're.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Not seeing enough of it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I suffice to say, you know, I can't ignore that
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: this is Jake Paul's promotional company MVP, and the Zone
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: has been pushing the ship out of Paul because he's
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: a money maker. He's got his own fight coming up there.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about it as it gets closer. But look,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: I'm on the record, I do not respect Jake Paul
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: as a fighter.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I do not, straight up. I would have more.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Respect for him if he was taking his time in
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: his cloud and his money to put together events like this,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: you know, for him up and covers that we want
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: to keep an eye on.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Though, for me to say is why is he the
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: one doing this and not the boxing veterans? Like where
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: where are all these young kids that deserve a spotlind
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're thinking.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I believe it has to be something
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: financially based. That's not everything has to be something based
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: off finances because he's doing He's not doing just because.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I just think thats wherever's putting enough money together, where's involved?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: They have picked who's involved because it makes financial sense.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: No one's doing it just just because. Unfortunately right now,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Box is in a weird spot where you need to
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: have your promotion team. You have your team and everybody
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: you're well, all the sponsors on the same page because
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: right now, the money's not tricky. The money is just
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: very it's very committed. So it's committed to certain fighters
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: and certain companies. The days are just getting on a
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: card and fighting and getting a check are long gone.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: That's that's going. You need to have your stuff straight
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: because what's happening is we're finding out guys are ready
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to fight, they've been training, but there's no incentive to
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: put them on a car because they're not. There's no
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: one invested up having people watch them. And I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: going forward it's gonna be more of I'm not saying
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: content creators got's the business stretch, but boxers got to
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: have their business stuff in order all the way around
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: because things are things are changing and I don't know
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: if y'all have paid atention to our economy, but our
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: economy is changing as well. So if there's not an
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: incentive for somebody to actually tune in and watch you fight,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's gonna happen.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Right And oh boy, it it kind of does burn
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: to give you a little bit heartburn to give Jake
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Polony creditor know any any respect. But if his whole
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: thing is yeah, I'll fight with you on his own
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: and make you a show a little money. And also,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: you know you bring this promotional event that I have
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: for my folks, people that I sign my up and
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: comers on as well.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: You know that's a good use of your club.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Okay. That's people are always saying like, well, is are
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: the Paul brothers good or bad for boxing?
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Did they bring people in? Blah blah blah, Like I don't.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I don't like that cliche conversation. You know, we've seen
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: the guy fight. His fights are not the spights of trash.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: He's not a good fighter. He used this cloud to
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: bring Mike Tyson onto the ring. That doesn't Oh god,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: I forgot the country girl's name. That don't impress me
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: much like this. However, if you're going to use your
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: cloud to do something like this and really showcase up
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: and comers, I will begrudgingly give you some respect on
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: this show, just not so much in public. You know
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: it's you can tell him joking on my words here
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: all got you?
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: But and also here's the thing.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: But Paul, my brother, you don't have to fight.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: You know, you can be a promoter, the guy promoting,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: you know, the biggest bands in the world aren't up there,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: you know, with Coldplay on a quitar on stage, you
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, the managers and all that stuff.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be center stage.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: But he can pay himself more if he fights, that's true.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: You know, he can get two checks one as a
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: fighter on a promoter, so you can technically right off
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: one of them if you decide to. That's fair.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Well, we'll talk more about the guy as it gets
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: closer to his fight with Javis Junior and July. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: let's see what else we got going on this weekend. Oh,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: on the very same night, on Saturday two seventh, we've
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: got the return of Keishawn Davis or Virginia's own versus
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Dominicano Edwin Delosantos shout out to dr In fact, this
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: fight has the potential to be loca, as Dominicans say.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Kishan is a talented fighter, but is now he's now
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: the recipient of like the most annoying title in boxing, which.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Is yeah, well, he doesn't flutter anybody. He doesn't fluted
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: anybody in a real competition.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Look, the man's thirteen to oh so far, you know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: he's how many more fights does he need to have
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: before he's no longer the guy who's never had a
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: lead competition like plus he is, he's a world champion,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: he's got the WBO lightweight belt from this year.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: That But also, here's the thing I said earlier, we
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: have to gradually have our guys come up like this
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: generation doesn't understand a boxer fighting twenty five fights when
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: he's a tyler shot. They don't understand that nowadays you
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: fight tenn fight fight for a belt. That was never
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: the case in the in the past. That's something relatively new.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: So we're we're about on page. With that being said,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I expect him to put on a performance like when
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: you're the guy when you're labeled the next guy. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: need to see it, and I expecting it, and I
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: believe we'll get it. And he's at home too, so
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I believe it is going to be a good showing.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: But I gotta see it, and I'm expecting it. I expect.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch with intentions of me being the guy.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: He put it on performance. He's basically saying, Hey, this
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: guy doesn't belong in the same ring as me. That's
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: how I'm going to watch in the fight. Now that changes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: it changes, but that time going into the.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Fight, sure, and you know, I'm excited to look. I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: am a fan. Shout out to Keisha. I am absolutely
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a fan.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I watched him fight Dennis Barncheck on Valentine's Day of
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: this year at Austin. We talked about that in the
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: previous episode. Fantastic performance, had a great time, and yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe he he didn't get his he didn't
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: deserve let's say he didn't deserve his title shot early.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: But he's still a young fighter and he is an
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: active fighter. He thought he's about three times a year
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: the last few years. You know, we've been complaining about
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: fighters not fighting enough for since the beginning of this
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: goddamn show.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: So it's a big part of fighting a lot of times.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Sorry Country, I did not mean to cut you off there,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: but a big time A big thing of staying active
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: is staying out bullshit. So that's a young guys. And again,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: everybody's different, everybody's lifestyle is different. But the main thing
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: that the main reason why I want guys fighting more
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: is because the more time you're fighting, the more time
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: you're training for a fight, the more time you're staying
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: in shape. You're not in the clubs, not in the streets,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and not hanging around with bad people. You're not doing
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: dumb shit, not at tempted to do dumb shit, especially
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: when you're younger. The older guys I expect better from
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: them because they're older. But the young guys, I expect
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: them to fight multiple times a year because they stay ready.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: And also, nowadays is in a different era where you
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: might get a title fight just based off of being
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: in game shape. You know, with somebody coming out last minute,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you might get a title fight with three weeks to prepare.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: But if you already in shape, you're good. How many
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: times have we seen somebody take a fight last minute
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: and look terrible because they're not in shape and they're
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: just there for the check. It happens way too often.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: But I'm a big believer of staying active as much
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: as possible because you just never know. And what Kishan,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: The thing I like about him is he looks ready
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: and he feels like boxing the priority. Then it doesn't
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: feel like he's involved in anything else. You know, no
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: content creator, you know, trying to be a mobile It
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: feels like he's trying to be the best possible boxer
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: you could be, and I can respect.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It, sure absolutely.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I mentioned his last fight was just in February, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: who knows if after this one he might fight again
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four. That would make nine fights in
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: three years, which is you know, unheard of for the.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: For the big names.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: So uh yeah, and I totally get what you're saying
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: about there's not enough. You didn't get a title shot
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: after ten bites, but he did win the fight, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I just I just don't like to get the boxing
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: experts in the Instagram comments being like, well he's fucked nobody, okay,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: but he still fought a champion and he won. Don't
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: immediately write somebody off, you know, nobody.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Nobody title gets a little old because we're direspecting someone
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: that is actually is not a nobody. I think people
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: need to start using the world I'm not familiar with
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: that boxer or I've seen a whole lot, but nobody less.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: It's true and nobody I hit. For instance, if you
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and I started fighting professionals, we're nobody's in that craft.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: You eating certain things and training a certain way and
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: not doing this, not doing that, you're not nobody. You
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: may be a guy that people don't know a whole
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: lot about, we're not nobody. That's very unfair because you
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: gotta realize these dudes are making sacrifices that no one
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: else is gonna make. They're making life sacrifices and doing
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: things that in ninety nine point nine percent of people
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: cannot do. So, yeah, nobody is a is a harsh term,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: and I wish there's other terms we use because it
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: disrespectful action. Agreed.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I've never liked that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I've I've and the thing I dislike the most about
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: things like that is just the cliches that boxes you.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Is like they only say like two or three things
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: fought nobody, or that you know, oh he's ducking Everybody's
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: ducking everybody.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: There's always somebody that ducks somebody.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: So the ducking thing is weird, right, because we come
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: from an era where gods from much fought everyone, like
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Vanner Field, Oscar Aloya fought everybody, but they fought everybody,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and they fought often, like Shane Moseley fought everybody. The
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Floyd and Packiach thing left the sour tastes in our mouths,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: and since they got paid so much money. Everybody that
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: came up underneath them and after them, they feel that
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: they can mile themselves after that model, so they can
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: pick and choose fights and do things and blame other
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: people and the whole nine yards. And it's just like, no,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: that's not how it worpacially at a young age. Like
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: if look, if you're thirty four, then yeah, you can
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: pick and choose who you want to fight. Why are
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: you ducking people at twenty seven? This is ridiculous. Like,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: like I said, Oscar has been a wild boy. He's
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: done a lot of things. However, the one thing none
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: of us can you know, say he did was duck.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: He didn't duck anybody. And I have a lot of
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: respect for him as a boxer because when Loser draw
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: he was ready to fight anyone. Now, I know he
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: needed the money because there's a lot of financial stuff
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: going on, but he fought everyone. We don't have that
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: same thing anymore, Like it's just not the same thing.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Well as part of it that you know, Floyd the
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: retire the zero losses and everybody wants to be Floyd
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: and the boys losing that that oh on the record,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: is that part of it?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Yep? As part of it, but also the money part.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Floyd has basically said, hey, be your own entity. Don't
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: listen to a promotion company, Don't be this, don't be that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Be your own man. So we got people making demands
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: and living a life that they don't have the skill
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: set for. You've got too many people trying to be
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the boss, but they don't have a boss skill set
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: of all. Due respect to Shaker Stevenson, uh to Jonta
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Ta Davis, to Boots, all the guys hani to a femo,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: y'all ain't gonna to be ducky nobody. I'm sorry, y'all
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: are good talented guys. Y'all have shown a lot of
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: promise in different ways. I'm not trying to hear y'all
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: duck anybody, y'all, I'm not good enough for that. Like
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Like no, y'all need to fight the good
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: fight because right now, the biggest issue we have is
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Gavante should be a household name for boxing. As for
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: what he does now, he has flaw. I'm not not
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: saying part of fighter, but for how he fights and
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: persona he lives on, he should be a household name
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: for boxing and right now we're entering at Dane rezone
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: where it's one fighter year territory. It's not good. It's
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: not good, a massive thing. We need more fights with
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: more people fighting teno few Mo. Lopez should not have
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: the power to duck anybody. Shouldn't. Like he has not
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: accomplished enough to duck anybody in this sport. Shouldn't. That's sorry,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: and boots boots saving. He has done a lot in
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: the sport to get a name for where he's at
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: his age. But come on, man, we'll be talking about
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: why does he have a decision on who he should
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: be fighting? Who's no, No, this is ridiculous, It's truly ridiculous.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: You know, we have a lot of complaints about the
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: boxing commissions, and you know they're they've they've done a
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: lot of should that just kind of has not been
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: great for boxing. We're all, but I think, why aren't
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: they just making more mandatory fights. Yeah, if you're saying like, well,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: you're gonna do fight this here, you're gonna fight that guy,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: and if not, I'm sorry, you know you'll pass you up.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Because that's the problem is that if you're not fighting.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Tank is a big name, yes, and but like you said,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: he's maybe not a household name. He's not considered the
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: face of boxing. Million maybe should be. But the more
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: time you spend away, the more time people are gonna
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: forget about you because there's always the next guy ready.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that you're a shitty fighter now, it
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: just means that there's always going to be somebody else,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: a new kid on the horizon. And we're boxing is
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: a short term sport. You know, you're it's a short
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: term lifestyle.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You're not going to be.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Here, you know, probably in your forties. Maybe some folks
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: can come back in their forties. Maybe that's something a
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: conversation will have in a minute. But at the end
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: of the day, thirty is a senior citizen in this sport.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: So you got to strike while they Aron is hot.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And also you're jeopardizing your fan base because if you
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: only fight once a year, unless of that fight is
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: like kind of lackluster. So you're saying that you might
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: go like eighteen months, well on like one fight. It's
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: just not a lot of you're not helping your family,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: but people who pay your salary and who put the
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: money you pocket. You're not doing a lot for them,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: and I think I think we've lost focus of that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: The boxing business, the business of boxing has taking the
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: fans for granted all the way around, from Bay per
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: view stuff to the where fights you can watch fights at,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: to the price of tickets, to all that stuff. They've
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: taken us for granted, and the boxers basically cherry picking
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: opponents to make a bunch of money but not put
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: on compelling fights. I'm cool, I'm not not thrit about that.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I think the last thing I have
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: to say on that is this, speaking of Tank, you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: when he fuck Garcia went down to the neighborhood downtown,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: not the originals in the ghetto of the Stabby one
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: there is they have like more upscale club type spot.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: And there was a lot of people there, mostly Garcia
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: fans because it is two so a lot of Mexicans
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: here well, and but there there was a good continguent
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to Tank fans. You know, when he came out, there's
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of cheers in the crowd, and I saw
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: a guy wave like a Tank Davis T shirt, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I saw that, I was like, oh, hell yeah, I
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: want a Tech Dave's T shirt.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: But then I thought, for a second.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, if I wear a Tank Davis
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: T shirt, who the fuck is gonna know I'm wearing
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: a Tank David shirt, you know what I mean? Like,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: if I'm just out in public, like I could wear
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: a Canelo shirt and people are like, oh yeah, even
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: if they're not even boxing fans, a lot of them,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: you know, just a Mexican guy who doesn't follow boxing,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: he'll know that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: But that's kind of like it's.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: A very simplistic way of putting it, I admit, but
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: that's kind of what came to mind when I saw
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: that shirt.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's a red shirt.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I would wear it. But that's fair. But
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: the style of Tank Davis should be like a he
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: should be a household thing. We should know that, oh
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: he's fighting such as such, he knocks everybody out at
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: the time he fights. That should be a national thing,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: not just a boxing thing. That should be not a
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: sports fan. That should be a household Oh shit, Tank
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Davis fight. I gotta watch, but we're just not there yet.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Sure, And everybody, even if they weren't boxing fans, they
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: knew who Floyd was, they knew that he was fighting,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: they knew if I was happening right back in the day. Yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: so yeah, you know, shout out to Takeishano. Abdullah Mason
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: is going to be on that card as well, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: up and comer, very talented young man. He's one of
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: those that I'm looking forward to seeing how he grows,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: how he develops, and hopefully it's not one of those
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: where he gets into a big match and I go, oh, no,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: what happened. But I've been wrong before, you know, Hey,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: I'm never I'm never afraid to admit that when I'm
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: wrong and say that I have been wrong. But I'm
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: hoping I'm not on this one because Abdullah Mason, you know,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: talented kid, and I want to see fixed up from him.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: And yeah, another another guy is actively fighting, so fingers
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: crossing things go well for him.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: So a good friend of mine once told me that
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: if you've been in this business long enough and ain't
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: got one long that you're not doing it right. Okay,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: how it goes like you're gonna if you watch enough
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: boxing and you have an idea of a prospect, but
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm asking you a question. So you were
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: to ask me questions? Who was the one prospect where
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: you thought it was gonna work out. You just didn't
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: where He's like, okay, good, it looked good. We got
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: the skill sets, and it just never happened.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I think it was I already said I already said it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Jared the big Baby Anderson, you know, he was getting
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: you know, lots of lots of early knockouts, lots of
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: knockouts and like early rounds never went distance. Edgar Burhlanga,
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: you know, he was what was it, He has like
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: eight or nine first round knockouts. So I was like, okay,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: that's cool. I'm excited to see. You know, he's Edgar Berlanga, skilled, talented,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of power.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: So I was very excited.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: To see what he looked like when he you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: fought real competition, and that just kind of went downhill.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I that's one we want to talk about, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: the not living up to the opportunity is he should
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: not have gotten the Canelo fight. Luckily, that was a
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: very entertaining fighter and I had a good time. But yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I would say the biggest disappointment recently were Jared Big
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Baby Anderson and Edgar Berlanga.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Adrian Broner for me, and when he was at one
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: thirty he looked like the goods he watched by that
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: was coming to be next. However, our producer and third
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: host on this show knows exactly what I'm want to
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: talk about. There's a picture of Adrian Browner doing adult
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: things in a place where he should not be doing
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the mat and once that happened, we both said it's over.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Why we knew at that point that he's not serious
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: and it was over. We will discuss it off air
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: about what he was doing on stage details, but we
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: both saw that a picture and we thought the same
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: thing at the same time, and we were head of
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: the game because it was never the same after that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: And now Adrian Broner is doing them the cash app
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: scam on Instagram. So it's all bad, It's all bad.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It's all bad.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, and another question on this very topic, So
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: what is the what is the biggest issue here with
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: these prospects that flame out. Is it that, yes, the
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: promoters are building them up without the real skills.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: If you're building somebody up and they develop the skills,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: you know, they might make a name for themselves. Or
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: is it that they're just not focused and they're doing
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: you know, stupid shit outside of the ring.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: It's the focus with the elevated hype. So as the
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: hype grows, you've got to be more and more focused
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: because you got now you have a target on your
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: face and on your head. If you're not prepared for that,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: then you're gonna get bad results. And unfortunately it's not.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Everybody's built to be focused, and then everybody's built to
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: be on point every time, and some people just don't
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: have the structure in their own lives. So now you're
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: giving somebody money, you get fame and expectations, and then
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: they're built to handle that, right.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: And that's something I've said, we both said, you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: there is a thing, a real issue, not just the
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: boxing and a lot of different things, but it's getting high.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: On your own supply.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: And that's probably that even even the big guys, even
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: you know, the big names, even you know, my boy Canelo,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I've said absolutely he's been high on don't supply when
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: he's taking out of fights, and uh, I think that's
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: what's I agree that that's probably the biggest killer of
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: these potential prospects with a lot of talent and just
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: you know, doesn't work out for them, So hopefully, hopefully
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: they can listen to the show and just you know,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: think twice about doing stupid shit outside of outside.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Of the ring. Can you only have your You only
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: have a certain window to do what you're trying to do.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Some people's windows a year, some people's your windows fifteen.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: You only got a certain amount of time to capitalize
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: on your peak earnings. And once it's gone, it is gone,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: And you end up being the third fight on a card,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: in the fore fight of a car. Then you end
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: up fighting before the before everybody starts finishing up the
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: chairs in the event. Are you fighting when it's sunlight out? Yeah?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: You fight at three thirty pm when the main cars
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: are to seven. Ship went bad.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: When you when you're only on ESPN Plus and you
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: see there's only like twenty people in the stadium, like
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: like the.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: People who Plus on an iPhone. H Yeah, it's all bad.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I've done quick story though. We saw a mirror con
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: fight at three forty five on someone's card and I
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: think he won, but it was like it was maintenance
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: people in the crowd. It wasn't even family and friends.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: They out there doing enjoying Vegas. It was just family
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: and friends and events setter up roots. That was it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: So again, you can go from headlining event to being
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: there with Janders real quickly. You don't take your shit.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Seriously, Yeah no, And you know I've I've never I
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: don't think I've ever tuned in. Even I as a
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: boxing super fan who loves fighting so much, never tuned
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: in that early.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: It's not all no, that's so the TV don't start
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: tilling six. So when you go so they have an event.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: So when they have any event, there's a bunch of
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: fights before y'all even get to watch on TV. There's
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: a gang of local fights, all kinds stuff, four round fights, six,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: there's a gang of smaller events because it's a card
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: and you need to fill up the card. With that
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: being said, the TV starts around six, depending on the
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: little but normally six pm, three or four under cards
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: in the main event. That's normally how it goes. Sometimes
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the ten starts at seven and then two under cards
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: and then the main just put him on. How it's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: set up. But if you actually go to the venue
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: when the door's open at two pm, oh yeah, you
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: go see some ship, you see some round fights for sure.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Well shout up, speak a shot out to a mere con.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I say, always the brides maid, never the bride. I
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: like him though. He's kind of funny.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: What was it something that he was accused of juicying
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: or having using pds or whatever, and he said, if
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I did, I would have been better.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Come on guys, Yeah and mpds And I hope that
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: jaw that he's got.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: He's got a sense of keber about himself. So I've
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: always I've always thought.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Him in deering. So he's rich, rich right like he
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: has ye.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Like I don't know much about
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: his background his money comes from. But he seemed to
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: never really need this, you know.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe that's why he You know, the most dangerous
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: fighters are people that like can't go back to the
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: ghetto where they came from. You know, the people that
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: came from nothing, have nothing that if they lost they
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: they will not lose everything to go back. So correct,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: maybe he never had he never had that hunger so well,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: speaking of people who maybe missed their window when it
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: comes to fighting, speaking of people who are rich and
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: have a lot to have no reason to be in
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: the ring. The boxing world is buzzing because Manny Pacchio
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: will return to fight Mario Babrios on July nineteenth. Now,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: this is a legit title shot for the WBC. Well, yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: so this is this is what I want to ask.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: So we've talked about how you know, Mike Tyson coming
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: back against Jake Paul is not real boxing.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: It's a showcase. We don't care.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Is it more legit? Do you care more? Because he's
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: actually up for a belters a sham? What's your what's
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: you're doing?
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Taxes? You gotta fight when you over, when you o irs,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: you gotta put them up. You know that's the wrong
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: way of getting income. You gotta you gotta fight until
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: you're clear with him. Them folks don't play. And I
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: think he owed taxes here and in the Philippines or
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: shit like that because the same people are talking about
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: the So everyone likes to talk about like you know
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: PBC and you know don King Bob Aram gets away
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: with murder, how he treats his boxers and sometimes the
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: band situations of those guys alt him. And you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: from most of my knowledge, did really well with the
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: boxers money wise, probably too well, because that's kind of
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: the issue we're in now. But there's no way pack
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: yall should have had tax issues. There's no way ten
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: years ago that or no, it was a not not
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: to know it was ten years He thought maybe they're
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: ten years ago, and they both clear over one hundred
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: million dollars in that fight. There is no reason why
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: money is an issue. There's no reason why someone should
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: have tax problems after that. So that leads me to
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: believe something ain't right. Something we don't know something because
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: something that does not pass the smell test. And there
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: was no one hill after that night that anyone should
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: have issues. Goll through you one better. Floyd fought Connor McGregor,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and Connor gregor a hain't been oda gone since. So
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: something right with Pachia?
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, I am with you. I agree with everything you said.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: And also, Maddy's a legend. He doesn't have to actually
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: compete for a belt against a guy who's thirty, you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: to make his money. You know he can do a
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: showcause he can. He can come back and do I
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: don't know, fight a goddamn kickboxer. People will come out.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: He could do a reality show. I don't know, people
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: will tune in if he can, which I believe he
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: can come back with some dumb little showcase that nobody
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: cares about. Why would he do this, like he said,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: you know of course, Oh I love boxing. I've always
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: thought about it, and I want to come back and passionate.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: What's funny, I'll tell you why he wins this one.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: It sets up the next fighter for more money. Okay,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: that's all it's for. He's not fighting, it's just because because,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: like you mentioned, if that was the case, he can
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: fight the work so he can fight anybody like. But
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: this is for a purpose. You suck around to get
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: a belt at forty plus years old, there's there's intrigue
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: in you. Then you can start having conversations with other
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: boxers and next thing you know, he messed around fighting
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: you know whomever. I've heard want rumors, but we're not
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: going to go into that today. But yeah, there's a
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: payday for someone out there. I'll put it that way.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: If he has a belt, there's a there's a huge
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: payday for somebody out there that normally wouldn't be out there.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Really, Romero already said that he would want to fight
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: many Yeah, okay, yeah, and then and again that's fair.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: I'm just kind of wondering, Like you know, we talked
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: on this very show about George Foreman coming back in
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: the forties becoming the world heavyweight champion at forty five.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: You know what's the and George Farmon needed money. We've
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: seen we saw the movie all that too, But the
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: man still pulled it off. Does many have the chance
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: to pull it off?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Or how about this? Do we think his hard is
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: even gonna be? I guess it's the question.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I would venture no, and no, I don't think he
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: would pull it off. And I think at that age
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: for his skill set is not good fighting younger fighters.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: When you're that old and that kind of skill set
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: where you're not your punches lack power, and you're not
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: as sharp, it's just a very dangerous proposition. But and
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: also the motivation, like deep downside, you know, you don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: have to do this, Like you said, there's other ways
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: of getting money. But norm what we know about boxers
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: is the only reason they're still fighting at forty plus
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: is because they owe, and they owe a lot of money.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: That's the only reason. That's it. There's no other there's
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: no other reason. But when I saw this fight. I
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: was like, Oh, he's trying to get another big fight.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: He's trying to get one last big fight to make
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of money. Whether it's Roly, whether it's Tank,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: whether it's whomever, whomever it might be. He's in the
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: position to get in there with a big name, draw
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of buzz, and then cash out one more time. God.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Many is the underdog in this fight. So
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming you would I don't have that, give it
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: the addo.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I gotta see it first. I can't. You can't give
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: you no. I can't tell him any Congomy's tough right now?
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, you know, and Floyd is speaking of which
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: he said it's actually well, first he said it's a
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: cash scrap, which we can all see that, but he
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: also said it's unfair to younger fighters who are putting
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: in the work, you know, trying to get the shot
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: and for Many to come back, you know, after retirement,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: and after his last fight was in August August of
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one when he lost against York Nugas.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Mind you, so I don't know.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Legacy counts for a lot, you know, obviously that name
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: has a lot of weight to it. But should it,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I mean should we should we be seeing Manny coming
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: back in the ring and going this is ridiculous, this
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: is a shif, this is stupid.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: You know that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: But again, people were actually intrigued to watch Mike Tyson
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: come back as a senior citizen to fight Paul.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: I think it's more of a mindset thing of how
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: we as fancy. It's like you got to let your
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: guys go. Your guys are done, let him go, let
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: him right off into the sunset, and yeah, let him
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: make a goddamn reality TV show to make money if
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: they need to. I don't know.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: That's that's my take.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Something to write a book, something, This ain't it though?
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well let's just say you know what, Let's
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: say this, stay safe, Manny, stay safe in that ring. Yes, yes,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: so yeah, maybe the maybe you can fight the loser
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: of Canelo versus Crawford.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: No, no, that's not a safe that's safe.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: So no, well, hey, Madia, bother is no slutch. You know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: he's he's a he's a good fighter.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: So he's a younger fighter. Like it's just nah, I mean,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: but he if you if you them people, if you
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: o them. People gotta do what you gotta do. If
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: you if you l I R S seven eight figures,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I get it, Like I get it. I ain't hating
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: on that, but they got me another way.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: What he was a politic Mann, He was a politician
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: in the Philippines. I believe he was a senator.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: So if you're like a senator, like a like a
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: full fledged politician, and you're not corruptly skimming money from
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: every you can, you're really bad at the job.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Like that's really the job. I know, it's just like.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Passing exact what are you doing? Anyway?
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: Funny, here's the thing I'm not even saying, like stealing shit.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: And basically there are legit legal ways for politician to
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: shadely get a shitload of money from like you.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Know, contracts and this and that.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: What what happened?
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: You know what I would I would be less likely
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: to vote for a senator who is broke after they
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: become a senator, you know what I mean?
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Right, what the hell?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: You're just clearly you're just clearly a dummy if you
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: can't make a shitload of bundy, you know, hold the
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: of federal office.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: But anyway, yeah, shout out to well, we'll talk a
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: little bit more about this particular fight and say it
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: gets closer more about the undercard. I just kind of
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: wanted to get this out there and see, you know,
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: where we stood on the legitimacy, legitimacy of many coming
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: back in the ring versus you.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Know, for a title shot versus just a showcase. But yeah,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you know this is with the show.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: It's always like things get announced, there are a few
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: months out, we talk about it, but then it always
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: comes back out because the fight is about to happen,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: and you know, maybe some shit.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Happened, some drama in between, which is cool.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I just don't want to get into a situation like
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Tank and Roach, where we talked about it for six months.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Over and over and over.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh, just let the fight happen and get
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: out of my life, all right.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Does up next, we're going to get into our recurring
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: segment called pop Pugilism, in which we discussed a movie,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: TV show, or documentary about boxing. Today we're talking about
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: a film from twenty thirteen called Grudge Match, directed by
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Peter Siegel, starring from usis Loan, Robert de Niro, Kevin Hart.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: For some reason Kim Basinger and the great John Berenthal
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: wasting his time. It's a movie about two fighters from Pittsburgh.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Stallone is Henry Razor Sharp and de Niro is Billy
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: the Kid Done and the laziest, dumbest screenwriter nickname for boxers,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: like what's the easiest nick nackam I cold?
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Come up with?
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Kickity klapp raise the sharpened? Billy the Kid with Donna.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: They fought twice in the eighties, so long quits before
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: the trilogy. Thirty years later, both fighters are convinced to
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: get into the ring as geriatrics. So there's a theme
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: in today's episode about it. Yeah, jameson, what did you
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: think about this? This twor de force of cinema?
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: So all right, So with all that being said, I
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: had to go out after round three, which means I
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: watched about thirty minutes of it and I hadn't go
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: on a towel. I couldn't do it, like after all
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: the good stuff we've watched, I couldn't go any further. Like,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I just could not. It was not it. It had
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: some names in there, had some big names, but it
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: was a very rough watch. And I try to value
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: my time like, I know, you try to value your time.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I personally could not do it. With all due respect
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: to the names that were in the movie.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: With you, this movie, I watched the whole thing straight up.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: This movie sucks. It sucks shit.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: It was really it was the point where I was trying,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: and then ten minutes later I was like, nah, I
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: just can't do it.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Like no, I had to watch it in shifts. I
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: took like three shifts to watch it because it was
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: a tough, tough watch.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: So Jesus where to start. Well, first of all, it's
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: almost two hours, it's an hour and fifty minutes. And
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: then there's.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the So I saw the trailer years ago. I
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: don't know what I expected. I saw it and I
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: thought that looks dumb. But I did not expect it
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: to try to be a comedy. And it's even worse
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: because it's aggressively unfunny, like all the comedy fell flat.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: There's only they actually only have two jokes. It's you're
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: old a europeussy, Like that's basic.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: It felt like they threw some names in there just
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: to have some star power. But it felt forced. It
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: didn't feel genuine. It felt real, real force and for me,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: it just wasn't it. It just wasn't at all. I
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: was just like, nah, like we gotta get back to
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: documentary or something, because it's like it wasn't me it was.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: It was not like boxing boxing either, right, it's not
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: even like it's not something that happened or is depicting
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: something like this is isn't it? Is it?
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I'll take the blame on this.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: I picked it for it because I wanted to watch
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: something kind of dumb and to make fun of. But
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: this was like way worse than I expected. I thought
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: it was just like, oh, this is silly, silly, it's
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: actually embarrassing. I'm sorry, it's embarrassing. So what they do
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: at the beginning is when stallone and and the Nero's
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: characters are young, and then their first fights they do
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: the worst like CGI put the actor's face on a
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: younger guy thing and it looks like dog shit. It's
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: just it's they basically turned into a cartoon for for
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: those flashbacks.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: It's it's rough.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: The actual fighting, the actual match between the two of
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: at the end, it looks like too Grandpa's in the ring.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: All they're doing is just like throw swing hooks back
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: and forth, back and forth. There's nothing that looks like
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: real boxing at all. There's nothing in this that even
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: looks like actual fighting. It's just like I said, this
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: guy shows a hook. This guy shows a hook. This
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: guy baby slips and does another hook. It's you know
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: what this this is the type of movie that's for grants.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: They this is called a geezer pleaser. This is specifically
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: for old folks to slap their knees at the at
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: the Rocky references right right, there is a terrible scene
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: where they promote their fight at an MMA match at
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: the beginning of an MM match, and I don't.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Even like HMMA, Like I don't care. We neither of us.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: We've talked about how we don't watch it, we don't
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: care about it. But the whole thing in this movie was, yeah,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: MMA is so gay. It's like they ask the guys
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: if they're fans.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Are just stillone's like, ooh, I don't like watching guys
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: rolling around the floor in my fights.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: And somebody's fucking grandpa in the theater was just like
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: hep slapping the knees, you know, elbowing his friends. It's
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: it's bad, It's it's not clever. I've watched Kevin Hart's
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: stand up when he has made me laught few TETs
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: here and there, Like I think he made me.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Laugh once in this movie.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: The worst part, the worst what's worse than the comedy
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: is when it tries to be like heartfelt and emotional
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: and shony pathos and it's god, it's it's hard to
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: even find more adjectives to just take to terrible.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: You know, John Berthal, I love the man, one of
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: my favorite actors.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: I bet you he was.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Thrilled you tell him like, oh I get to be
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: in a movie with Robert de Niro. I love John Bernthal.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: He had some probably didn't have much heat on him
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: at this time. Now he's like hot commodity for the
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Walking Dead. He's the punisher, you know, he's the movies.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: But the poor guy he's doing, he's really trying. He's
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: he's a talented actor. He's really trying to make this
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: movie work. And like I said, he is just wasting
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: his time.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: You know what, I think.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: You know it's probably the same. I don't know if
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: it's the same. And from your neck of woods, but there,
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: when you get to a certain age, the DNB will
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: only give you a driver's license for like four years
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: at a time. Yeah, yeah, we need to do that
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: with actors. I don't care how much of a legend
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: you are. When you reach a certain age, like DeNiro,
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: you get to make like two or three movies in
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: four years, and if they're just not working, I'm sorry,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: mandatory retirement. We're taking your fucking sad cart away. You
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: know what, you had, your chance, you had, you had
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: an amazing career. What do you do in making grudge match?
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Or like, what was it like Dirty Grandpa? I think
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: he was in that terrible Last Vegas movie. It's don't
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: respect your legacy, dammit you DeNiro stallone Mani Pacquiao.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Respect your legacy and don't do stuff like this in
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: your old age, is what I have to say.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, uh oh.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: One more thing.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: There's this band, the s British band called the Heavy.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows it by that name, but you have heard
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: of them because they have the song the how You
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Like Me Now?
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Song? Okay, it's in this movie.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: It's in so many movies, in so many commercials. If
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: you heard the song, you know it. I don't know
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: this band. If like they're British. Maybe they have like
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: a picture of somebody from the royal family doing something illegal,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: like literally like eating a baby or something. Because this band,
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: their songs are in every movie trailer. They have two
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: songs in this movie. There are songs I heard that
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: band come up again and I'm like, why the hell
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: is the Heavy have such cloud?
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and it's on it. It's been on Entourage,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: it's been in the Fighter with Mark Wahlberg.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: That song is like it's like a cancer from the
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: early two thousands and early odds that it just won't die.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: So with that said, we usually rate movies out of
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: four gloves. Jamison, Well, would you rate this movie?
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, contest, you won't even rate it. Aby. That'so
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: point five out of four.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: This point five, Like the point five goes to John
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: berthal because you know, I love the man. He's a
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: great punisher and like I said, he's trying. But man,
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: here's the thing I'm kind of I'm hoping that John
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Berthall doesn't have to go back to doing crap like this,
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Like his star is rising. He hasn't really led a
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: movie yet. I think he deserves it. But yeah, point
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: five gloves for John Birthal. I'm glad you got to
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: work with the Nero. I'm sure he's probably one of
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: your idols. But please don't watch this movie. Don't waste
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: your time. Right, all right, let's get out of here. Jamison,
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Where can people find you?
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: On social media?
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Twitter? At the Jamison Vere I'm at I'm watching the fights,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: always interested in the fights and whatnot. But yeah, we
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: got a lot of stuff coming up soon, so I
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: can't wait. But at the Jamison on Twitter excellent.
• 59:53
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