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secretly gay women of hollywood · gasp! the pod

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Welcome back everyone to Gasp, the pod, the podcast for the
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gays, the girls, and especially the gay girls.
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I just realized that I didn't do the on the last episode with
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Jordan and I just must have forgotten.
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After my month break, we're back in my home studio.
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I'm in New York right now. It's just nice to be like on a
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set. It feels more official and have
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a mic. I think you guys heard probably
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heard my story already from when I told it on the episode with
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Jordan. But all of my things were stolen
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on the Amtrak train, including my podcast equipment.
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I'm slowly getting my things back and slowly rebuilding what
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I had before. This is season 2 and I thought
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it'd be fun to do a Part 2 of the episode that I made last
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season with my friend Maddie who is just like knows so much about
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Hollywood lore. She like works in Hollywood and
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she just knows the lore, OK. And she told me so much about
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like Tom Cruise by rumours. I mean, he's like probably by
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and like we talked about Bradley Cooper.
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The episode was called Secret Gay Men of Hollywood.
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Go stream that podcast after this.
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But it's very good. And I was like, we need to make
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an episode for secretly gay women of Hollywood.
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So that's what we're doing right now.
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I want to say hi and welcome to any new listeners that are
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joining. And hopefully this audio is
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better. I got a few comments on my last
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one saying Haley's audio is muffled.
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I hated it too. I'm so sorry, that is not
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normal. Thank you for your patience and
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sticking with it. The audio should even improve
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from what it is right now because I don't actually have a
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mic stand. Anyways, thank you for your
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patience and welcome new listeners.
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What's very fun about this podcast is that it's not so much
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like other WLW podcasts out there that are kind of just like
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interviewing other like sapphic Internet personalities about
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their life. Like I like to get into topics.
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I think it's fun. And I think that's also probably
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stemming from like my liberal arts degree in gender studies.
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I also learn so much when I'm researching for this and it's
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very fun for me. And there's a lot of things from
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this episode that I'm excited to talk about because I like
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learned it when I was researching.
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So very excited for this episode.
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But if you didn't hear on the last episode, this podcast
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And that means that we can increase the quality of this
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on this podcast and make it all what we want it to be.
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So Speaking of shouting out Patreon members, thank you to
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Alethea for joining as a paid member yesterday.
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So be like Alethea and you get to be shouted out.
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Love you Alethea. Also just January has been crazy
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and horrible. The inauguration, my shit got
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stolen. This seems very minor but like
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I'm locked out of my Instagram. And the problem with that is
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that if TikTok gets shut down, I need to be able to access that
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so I can like continue connecting with people and I
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have a backup for my content. And what's so frustrating about
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my Instagram issue. And don't worry I'll get through
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this very quickly and we can get on with the topic.
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But I have access to my emails like I have access to
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everything. I shouldn't be locked logged out
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it's just because of two factor authentication and I like don't
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have my stupid little backup code.
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And what's so frustrating is like it's all bots responding to
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me and if I just get access to a real employee they could easily
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let me back in. And I'm just so stressed out
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about it. It shouldn't be a big deal but
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it really is. So if anyone out there works for
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Meta or knows anyone that works for Meta or Instagram or
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Facebook, it would be such an easy fix.
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And I would literally, quite literally pay you money and I
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will shout you out and you'll become like my Angel and my
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savior. If you could help me get back
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into my sticker. But yeah, besides that, I'm in
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New York. I love New York, but in the
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winter, it is just not it. So if you're feeling like you
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have seasonal depression right now, you're not alone.
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And on top of that, last night was the plane crash at DCA.
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And I'm from DCA and sorry, not DC.
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I'm from DC and Reagan Airport. I've flown out of there so many
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times I can't even count. And it just like really shook
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me. I'm like, I'm sure everyone else
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is feeling this way. Like I can't even imagine being
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like anyone that was on that plane.
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And I just feel like our entire American system needs to step it
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up. And I hate the president.
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It's like everything feels horrible right now.
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So if you feel that way, like you're not alone.
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Anyone that has a brain or like any ounce of empathy feels the
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same way as you. So I'm also going to link like
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crisis tech support. It'll be like in the notes just
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because it's a really dark time right now.
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So feel free to like just text that number if you just need
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someone to talk, talk to. We're going to get through it
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together. We are literally all going
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through it together, at least if you're in America.
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And if you're not in America, I'm so jealous of you.
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So with that said, all the housekeeping American updates
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out of the way, let's get into this topic.
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Last week was so fun with Jordan.
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I like love how much you guys are loving the episode.
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And I'm also going to have other gaylors on this show as well, so
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keep a lookout for that. And yeah, let's get into this
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topic. OK, so this, as I said already,
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is Part 2 of my episode from my first season, which is Secret
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gay men of Hollywood. So I'm going to focus on
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celebrities that have been in the public eye for decades.
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Obviously, we don't have time to, like, get into all secret
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gay women of Hollywood. There's so many.
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But try not to focus on like millennials are Gen.
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Z because we're more likely to be out.
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And I think it's very interesting to talk about
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celebrities that kind of like grew up in Hollywood in like the
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90s, right? When like when Hollywood was a
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lot more conservative and this was a lot more taboo because
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they're more likely to be secret about it or have been told to be
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secret about it or they have lavender marriages and stuff
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like that, which I think is very, very interesting, right?
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And again, this like age of Hollywood has of course
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continued, but in a good way. We've seen it change a little
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bit and people are way more likely to be like successful and
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gay, which is great. Hopefully that continues.
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Let's first start with Sandra Bullock.
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Sandra was one of the reasons that I like decided to do this
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episode because she's just fascinating to me and she just
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like has that look on her face. You know what I mean?
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Like she just has that gay sporty look.
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Like her level of gay kind of gives me like Shannon beverage,
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right? Like not fully mask, but like
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sporty, like like chapstick gay, right.
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That's what Sandra Bully gives to me.
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So, like, even besides all the, like, evidence, she just gives
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gay to me. I'm gonna pull up some receipts.
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OK. So I feel like the Sandra
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Bullock lesbian rumors kind of started around, OK, not started,
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but like, got to the forefront of our, like, public
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consciousness, especially Taylor Swift fans, around the time of
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Taylor Swift's birthday last year.
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Because if you remember, she went out with a lot of her girl
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gal pals. And it was very interesting to
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me because Travis was not there and it was her birthday.
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And he could have easily been there.
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Like who cares if he is? He can fly to her birthday in
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New York. But whatever Taylor Swift went
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out to, I think she went out to the box, which is like a very, I
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just put that together, the box. That's fucking hilarious.
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But she went out to the box, which is like a very well known
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club in New York that's very much a known for like risque
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things going on. Like I think Harry Styles has
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been there a lot. Like there's always like
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strippers and stuff like that. And she went out with like her
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girls and gays, but also there were some St. men there too,
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which again, Travis Kelce could have been there.
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So anyways, she had a great time.
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She was looking so hot. She was wearing like a black
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mini dress. And I don't even know how this
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rumor started, but someone was like, she went to Sandra
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Bullock's lesbian bar. And again, some people are like,
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oh, that was completely busted. I do think it was busted that
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the main bar that Taylor Swift went to is Sandra Bullock's
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lesbian bar. But it's not impossible that
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Sandra Bullock has a lesbian bar.
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So that's not completely out of the question.
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I think Taylor Swift didn't go there on her birthday, just
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based on like all the paparazzi pictures of her at the box.
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Perhaps she could have gone to wherever Sandra Bullock's famed
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lesbian bar was. But however, that's not the only
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rumor that there is about Sandra Bullock having a lesbian bar.
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Apparently she also has a celebrity's only lesbian bar in
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Texas. Is it the craziest thing that
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Sandra Bullock would have a lesbian bar for celebrities
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only? Like no, she looks like 1 and
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it's pretty easy to have a celebrities only situation
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right? It also might not even be
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lesbian bar. Maybe it's just her house,
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right? Who knows.
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The point is this kind of put us all onto a frenzy, put me onto a
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frenzy and I was like, holy shit, why don't I ever put
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together that Sandra Bullock could be a fucking lesbian?
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So I'm going to read you guys the blind item about her lesbian
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bar. And this is from Wednesday,
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December 21st, 2022. So it says this former A list in
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parentheses like Sandra Bullock, which like it's pretty easy to
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find out what blind items are about, right?
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Sandra Bullock or who it's about.
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This former A list mostly movie actress who is an Oscar winner
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slash nominee has a nightclub slash bar slash venue on an
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adjacent lot to her home that she uses as a members only
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lesbian bar that is a blind item on crazy days and nights.
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And listen sounds believable to me.
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All the comments are saying this is Sandra Bullock, this is
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Sandra Bullock. So listen, if it's Sandra
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Bullock, it sounds like this person is referring to Sandra
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Bullock. If it's true or not, we don't
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know. It's up to you guys to decide.
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But after doing some research it sounds like Sandra Bullock has
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been doing some lesbian shit over the last few decades.
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I totally forgot this of like the age of Hollywood, of like
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the 20 times, right? But Sandra Bullock kissed Meryl
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Streep on the mouth on stage. And at the end of this episode,
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if you're watching on YouTube, I'm going to put like all the
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pictures that I'm referring to because I do feel like this
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episode, like needs pictures, right?
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But yeah. So the article is from people,
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Meryl Streep, Sandra Bullock seal tie for best actress with a
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kiss at the Critics Choice Awards on Friday night in 2010,
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January 16, 2010, this article came out.
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And it's like, is it that funny? Or do you just want to kiss a
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girl in the mouth? Like, I don't necessarily think
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that they're together or whatever, but like, why are they
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kissing each other? Just like why?
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Like this was such a 2000 tens moment where it's like, Oh my
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God, two people are kissing, ha, ha, ha.
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That are like the same sex, whatever.
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But yeah, just like interesting. Bullock said about the kiss.
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She said this is an honor. So it says from people from the
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People article quote. Later in Bullock's acceptance
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speech, she referred to similar parallels between her and her Co
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winner, saying that she loves food and sex like Meryl girl
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what? That's how similar we are.
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You guys just didn't notice it until now.
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Hello. Like that feels like being like
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we're literally getting you guys aren't noticing.
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Bullock ended her speech by admitting quote, Meryl is a good
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kisser. So anyways, she also has had
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long term relationships. I do think her last partner, I
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don't know if he they were actually married, passed away
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from. I don't want to actually spread
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rumors. I think it was cancer, but I
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don't know. She could be bisexual.
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She could also be in a lavender marriage.
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Who fucking knows? But I do think it's interesting.
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Or she could have been in a lavender marriage.
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I do think it's interesting that a lot of these celebrities that
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are rumoured to be gay have these partners that are almost
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like hidden behind closed doors and just don't even like bring
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to social events. Like there's two types of
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lavender marriages, like a Travis, Kelsey, Taylor Swift,
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very public PR situation or someone that they can just like
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refer to as their husband. But then like they don't even
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operate like with them. One example, Oprah name Oprah's
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husband. You literally can't OK, 'cause
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she like keeps him in her house and doesn't let him or not even
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in her house somewhere else, 'cause she, there's no way she's
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fucking with that guy, right? So like, that's another
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suspicious thing about Sandra Bullock.
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OK, so then this is from Now Toronto, the article reads.
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Sandra Bullock locks lips again. She kisses Scarlett Johansson on
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stage on the lips at another award show.
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Girl, you can do this in your own bedroom.
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Like what? Oh my God.
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OK, so quote the article reads, are we sick of Sandra Bullock's
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on stage girl on girl action yet?
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Wild, wild thing to say, by the way, because I'm never going to
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be sick of it. This is the MTV awards.
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So obviously this was like joking at her other kiss with
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Meryl Streep. But at this point it's just kind
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of like her personality, like kiss girls on stage.
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Apparently what happened? And it like obviously was
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scripted Scarlett Johansson or she said to Scarlett Johansson,
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what are you still doing here? And Johansson made a comment on
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something of a like you're hot. And then they started, they
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kissed. OK, I will put this picture also
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at the end of the episode, but like 2 on stage kisses girl.
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So that's my evidence for that. There's also a time that like
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Emma Thompson and Sandra Bullock, we're like trying to
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like out gay each other. And like this kind of happens
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with a lot of these celebrities. They're like make these little
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and this happens later on with Alicia Keys.
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But like they'll make these little comments about another
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celebrity like in an interview and then they'll say it again
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later and it's like almost like they're flirting through
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interviews. So the headline reads, and this
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is from IMDb. So there you go.
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Sandra Bullock would go gay for Emma Thompson, according to Emma
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Thompson quote. Which hot Hollywood actress
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would Emma Thompson want to play opposite her in a lesbian love
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interest movie role Like you again?
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You can do this in your own bedroom.
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You don't have to play this role.
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Quote after full on snogging Meryl Streep.
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Where do you go from there? The Saving Mr. Bank star jokes
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to the latest issue of The Advocate.
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Quote, We practically had sex, for God's sake, ha ha ha.
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There's so many beautiful women, Thompson continued.
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Well, I met Sandy Bullock, I don't know, Wards thing a couple
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years ago, and she said to me, quote, if I were gay, you'd be
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the one. Emma Thompson says.
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I'm there. Speaking of girl and girl
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loving, Thompson opened up to the LGBT mag about an upcoming
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LGBT project that she's working on.
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Whatever, girls, ladies, women. First of all, wild as fuck.
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That's literally shit that I said before I came out.
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I was like, I wish I was gay so that, like, we could kiss.
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And then the other girl would always be like, yeah, it's so
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true. You'd be the one too.
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Freaks. You guys are so fucking gay.
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This was in 2014, by the way. That kind of sums up my Sandra
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Bullock. There's definitely more on
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Sandra Bullock. Those are like the headlines
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that I thought were fucking crazy.
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But we have to move on because there's a lot of secretly gay
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women of Hollywood we need to cover.
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OK, next, Alicia Keys. Alicia Keys is someone that I
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didn't even really know there was lore behind.
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I mean, I guess like, I just don't really think much about
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her, but if I like saw her in the face on the street, I would
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be like bisexual. Like, of course, right.
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Some of these celebrities you almost think are just like out
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and then you like read into it and you're like, holy shit,
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they're not out. Like so it's like they're almost
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barely secretly gay if they just look so fucking gay and they act
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so gay. So Alicia Keys lore is pretty
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funny to me. Alicia Keys has had like lesbian
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rumors for her like pretty much entire career and she has not
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responded well to it. And I won't be surprised if
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that's like hindered her own ability to figure out if she is
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queer. So perhaps she's just has like a
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lot of internalized homophobia. But like, people thought she was
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gay in like the early 2000s. So that's a time when even if
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you are gay, you're going to push that shit down, right?
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Because you're legally not allowed to be.
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And you definitely can't be in Hollywood in the 2000s.
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You cannot be out as bisexual or a lesbian.
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So I wouldn't be surprised if that like made her hide her
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sexuality. A lot of times this happens in
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Hollywood in like the industry, right?
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Like something happens and you're like, OK, I'm just going
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to avoid being seen as gay. It's giving Taylor Swift.
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There were a lot of people that thought that Alicia Keys was
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gay, but in a very like non harmful way being like, oh, I
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relate to her because like I feel like I see myself and her.
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And then of course there were a lot of homophobes, right?
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So, like, when homophobes think you're gay, they're not saying
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it in a nice way That rhymed. So I wouldn't be surprised if
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that pushed her like, back into the closet.
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OK, this is an article from 2022.
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Alicia Keys finally responds to Janet Jackson admitting she
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would have a lesbian fling with her.
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Does this sound familiar? You guys?
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This is so similar to like every celebrity.
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It's like their only way to like, flirt with other like,
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same sex celebrities or like in these like, gay ways is to like,
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say it through an interview. Like, they could just fuck on
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their own. But like, this is also just very
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sapphic to, like, say it almost as like a joke until you do it.
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It's like, Oh my God, what if we were gay?
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What if we were gay? I would totally have a lesbian
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fling. It's like, Oh my God, thanks,
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girl. And then they, like, eat each
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other's box. So this is what happened.
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Apparently, Janet Jackson has a crush on Alicia Keys.
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In 2008, the singer admitted that she would choose Alicia
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Keys if given the chance to have a lesbian relationship.
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This is so similar to Sandra Bullock and Emma Thompson quote.
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I think I would pick Alicia Keys.
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I think she's wonderful, said Jackson 14 years later.
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So out of fucking nowhere, Alicia Keys, why did you bring
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this up? It's been 14 years and now it's
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almost like you're trying to be like, wait, I'm single?
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Like I need to hook up with someone.
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Or maybe you're just trying to like, tell people you're gay.
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I don't know what the point of this was, why she brought it up
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14 years later, but she responds to the article again on
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Instagram when it was initially said.
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People don't even have Instagram back then.
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Like that's how long it's been since Janet Jackson initially
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said it. Quote from Alicia Keys.
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I always knew I was bad. But when Janet Jackson says
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blank, blank, blank, and then Alicia Keys says I kind of did
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feel some kind of way Crown, crown, crown, like gay as fuck.
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I don't even care if you think you're straight.
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Like that's so sapphic to me. So then Alicia Keys wrote a song
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called Where do we begin Now? I never knew this lore.
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I don't know if you guys are familiar with this lore.
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This is very much giving like Taylor Swift writes like the
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gayest song ever. But this is literally beyond
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even the gayest Taylor Swift lyrics.
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It's almost so clear it's laughable.
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So this is the song I'm going to read you guys the lyrics. 2016,
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November 4th 2016 is when this was first posted on Genius.
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She made this song with her husband, which probably was the
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reason why everyone was like, oh it can't be gay 'cause she has a
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husband. Well, let's read it together
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then. Like what?
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In this article it says Alicia questions what will happen in
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her life if she tells the world that she's in a relationship
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with a woman. This is on genius lyrics.
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That's how clear it was. But then you can't then we can't
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say she's by from that. Like what?
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OK, here's the first verse. The first verse and the first
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line. What they gonna do 'cause we the
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same sex and we spending all this time, this could be the
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love we ain't made yet, even though it's on my mind.
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We ain't even had the conversation.
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But do you want to testify How many know this song?
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How many times it goes wrong, goes wrong?
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Where do we begin now? What we tell our friends now
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then I had a dream of you last night.
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Then it kind of blow my mind. All I really know is that it
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feels right and I got to live my life.
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We ain't even had the conversation.
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Let me be the first to testify. This could be the love we ain't
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made yet. What they going to do because we
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the same sex. I don't care what she says that
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girl is gay like you. Even if this didn't even turn
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into a same sex relationship, you want it to be like you just
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said you did. I'm so confused.
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Like how? OK So then after that I hope you
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guys are all as shocked as I am 'cause that's fucking crazy.
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This is from iHeartRadio from 2016.
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Did Alicia Keys come out as bisexual?
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A new song? That's how clear it was.
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OK even after Taylor Swift uses like like she her pronouns,
22:33
iHeartRadio is not even saying that.
22:35
That's how gay this fucking song is.
22:38
OK, then, the article goes, Alicia Keys did not come out as
22:41
bisexual, despite a new report. However, blah blah blah blah
22:44
blah, Gossip Cop can exclusively debunk this claim.
22:48
We're told it's incorrect. According to Media Takeout, for
22:52
years there have been rumors that Alicia Keys was bisexual.
22:55
She is currently in a monogamous relationship with husband Swizz
22:57
Beatz. But before they got married,
22:59
people were speculating that Alicia was gay in her new song
23:02
Where do we begin Now? Alicia just re sparked all the
23:05
rumors. She appears to be coming out as
23:07
bisexual in the song. Then iHeartRadio is saying that
23:11
the website other than that has no proof that Alicia Keys came
23:14
out. And apparently a source close to
23:18
Keys quote quote, it's giving Taylor Swift and like a source
23:22
close to her telling CNN, right, tells Gossip Cop it's not
23:26
autobiographical, that's giving folklore and explains that the
23:30
singer is simply simply referencing friends of hers who
23:34
have shared their stories with her.
23:37
OK, totally sure. That's fucking crazy, though.
23:42
Like you spend your entire career saying that you hate all
23:46
these gay rumors and then you write a song saying we're the
23:48
same sex and I had a dream about you.
23:51
Like this could be love and I have a dream of you last night.
23:54
OK, good try. Like I feel like she wanted to
23:57
write the song and then to cover her ass, her management or her
24:03
PR team or whatever was like Nope she's not bisexual blah
24:06
blah blah blah blah. So she was rumoured to be with
24:09
Young MA, which is who's a rapper.
24:12
She's like a mask lesbian rapper.
24:15
I will add a picture later but like wouldn't be the craziest
24:19
fucking thing. It went viral.
24:21
I mean they look like a beautiful couple together.
24:23
And again, she could be bisexual, she could be with
24:26
those beats or whatever and be writing a song about her past
24:28
relationship with this rapper. Or maybe they're open or maybe
24:33
they're in a lavender marriage. OK, all of these possibilities
24:36
are possible, but like, I just don't believe that it was
24:39
written about a friend of yours got real.
24:42
She deny the rumors in 2003 and then deny them again in 2015.
24:47
But like, what's so funny is that, like, her writing this
24:50
song with Swizz Beatz is so giving Taylor Swift writing
24:55
champagne problems, which is one of her gayest, most
24:58
heartbreaking songs with Joe Allen.
25:01
And like, it's just so annoying that the media sees these things
25:05
and being like, Oh, no, she didn't come out because it's up
25:09
to them to decide what's coming out.
25:12
Regardless of the whole coming out the article she just read
25:16
Alicia Keys writes same sex relationship song.
25:20
Like we don't need to be like, this is her coming out.
25:22
This wasn't her coming out. Especially if you're the media
25:24
and you're saying it's not OK. But like objectively, that's a
25:28
coming out in my book. And if you don't think it is, I
25:31
think it's weird to just be like, oh, actually this wasn't a
25:35
coming out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
25:37
And it's like first of all, you don't know her but like she is
25:41
publicly writing a song about a same sex relationship.
25:44
Maybe this is her attempt of coming out and you, the media
25:47
are fucking ruining this shit by like being so worried about by
25:52
saying they're gay. Like if she's straight and she
25:55
wrote that song, she should have been OK with someone calling her
25:58
gay because it's a gay ass fucking song.
26:00
It's just funny. It just it's literally like Joe
26:02
Owen and Taylor Swift like writing these songs.
26:04
Like whether it's like a lavender marriage or lavender
26:07
relationship PR relationship or they were like bye for bye.
26:10
Like and they're writing this heartbreaking song.
26:12
It doesn't make it impossible that like it's a queer song just
26:16
because she's in a monogamous relationship with a man.
26:19
Such a weird take for like iHeartRadio to write.
26:22
So weird. Anyways, let's read her denying
26:26
being gay first. This is Alicia Keys confronting
26:30
her lesbian rumors in 2003. Quote.
26:33
She does deny being a lesbian. Quote.
26:35
I absolutely am not she says. Though she says she does not
26:40
deny being a strong minded woman, not demure and
26:43
aggressive, which may make some people nervous.
26:46
OK so that is so unhelpful. Like that was 2003.
26:51
Also, what do you mean aggressive?
26:52
Aggressive does not mean you're a lesbian.
26:54
Like what? Crazy that's so 2003.
26:57
Then in 2015 she denied the rumor again.
27:01
Let's see what she says. This is from August 12th 2015
27:04
quote. FYI.
27:05
Alicia Keys wants you to know that she wasn't gay back in the
27:08
day. It's giving like no one asked
27:16
and her just being like, by the way, it wasn't gay.
27:18
Like again, this is like such the process of like finding out
27:21
you are gay yourself is like almost talking about it so much
27:27
quote in case you've been sitting around for the last 15
27:29
years or so trying to figure out why Alicia Keys seemed so hard
27:33
back in the 90s. She's cleared it up, which is
27:35
such T for this article to write because it's like so obvious
27:38
that like no one asked until the song.
27:42
Obviously she wants you to know that she wasn't gay.
27:44
She was simply hiding her curves and femininity so she wouldn't
27:47
gain unwanted attention for men. It's giving Billie Eilish and
27:50
then she came out too quote. I had the baggy braided, tough
27:53
New York tomboy thing master. That was who I was or who I
27:57
chose to be, and I felt good there.
27:59
Then because of the way I spoke or carried myself, people
28:02
started calling me gay and hard and I wasn't gay, but I was
28:04
hard. And although I found it
28:06
comfortable there, it made me uncomfortable that people were
28:08
judging me, which is an interesting thing to say because
28:11
I don't think that's judging to say you're gay.
28:14
But maybe in 2003 she saw that as a negative thing, and perhaps
28:20
people were saying in a very negative way, which I don't
28:22
doubt. But that's all of her allure.
28:25
She's still with Swizz Beatz. Yeah.
28:28
They're still married, and she's still gay.
28:33
I don't really care who she's married to.
28:35
I think that she's a gay ass bitch.
28:38
All right, let's talk about a major one that in the last few
28:42
years has been known as like Queenie of all lesbians, Cate
28:49
Blanchett. I want to uplift any of y'all's
28:53
opinions. If you think Cate Blanchett is
28:55
queerbaiting, I stand by you. If you think she's mommy, I
28:58
stand by you. Because I could see both
29:00
arguments and I could totally see her being like a straight
29:03
queerbaiter. And I could also totally see her
29:05
being like a lesbian that wants to come out or like is out to
29:10
everyone. But like isn't with her
29:12
management and like Hollywood, right?
29:15
The reason why I call these episodes secretly gay instead of
29:19
like closeted is because I don't necessarily think that a lot of
29:23
these things are these celebrities choice.
29:28
And perhaps if they were just like living a normal life, they
29:31
could be out. They might be out to like
29:34
everyone and maybe their management won't let them or
29:38
like maybe they're worried about getting other roles and stuff
29:41
like that. And listen, I think that they
29:44
should come out. I think it would be very helpful
29:47
for the culture for like, moving our community forward if they're
29:52
queer. But a lot of them might just
29:56
keep it on the down low, right? So maybe they're not even
29:59
denying it anymore, but they're just like, not talking about it.
30:03
And they feel like they can rationalize that, you know, like
30:07
these celebrities have been in the public eye for the last 30
30:10
years. I just watched Miss Americana
30:12
last night and it reminded me of like how much celebrities like
30:17
need validation from the public and being worried about like
30:21
being judged for something. So like maybe they're like,
30:25
listen, I'm going to write this song about a same sex
30:27
relationship, Alicia Keys or I'm going to flirt like in an like I
30:31
want to kiss a girl on stage and it like gets written off as a
30:34
joke. But like I'm not denying really
30:37
being gay. Like they're like kind of
30:40
rationalizing in their brain. That's what I think is
30:42
happening. And that's why I think is also
30:44
happening with like Tom Cruise And like these other male
30:46
celebrities were like, they're not solely covering it up.
30:50
And like maybe the only reason they're covering it up to the
30:53
extent that they are is because of the industry that they're in
30:56
and not because of like them as people.
30:59
So that's why Hollywood is so interesting.
31:01
What is the person versus what is their persona?
31:04
And like, what is the controlled image of them?
31:06
Because they don't have full control over their life.
31:10
Like, look at Tom Cruise and Scientology, right?
31:13
So that's why I wanted to be clear to not say closeted
31:16
because they may not be closeted.
31:17
They might just, like, again, not be talking about it in
31:21
interviews or like might be like dancing around the question.
31:25
That's why I think it's so fascinating.
31:26
OK, back to Cate Blanchett. So some people accuse her of
31:30
queer baiting, which I think is fair.
31:32
And again, all these lesbian rumors kind of really started
31:34
when she wasn't Carol, which is one of the best movies of all
31:41
time. If you haven't watched Carol, go
31:43
watch it. I think it'll be good for
31:44
everyone's mental health right now.
31:45
Like it's just a great period piece, a lesbian period piece.
31:50
And I just think it's really well done.
31:52
But anyways, obviously it stems from that and just from her
31:56
being like mommy. And there's just this certain
31:59
crop of famous women celebrities that like, put on a pantsuit and
32:04
just, and over the age of 50, they just start getting so gay.
32:09
And even if they weren't gay before, maybe they're like,
32:11
finding out that they are now. Wouldn't be surprising.
32:16
Sexuality can change and compet is so strong.
32:20
And our obsession, especially women with people liking us, can
32:24
really, really push down queer thoughts for so long.
32:29
And that's why I do think we should give some celebrities
32:32
grace. And because it's a complicated
32:35
journey. Maybe Cate Blanchett in the last
32:37
five years is like, maybe I am a fucking lesbian.
32:39
Who knows? So there's this article that I
32:42
did think was funny. And this kind of goes to people
32:45
who think she's queer baiting. She apparently said she's trying
32:50
to, quote, learn the language of lesbians.
32:53
I can see how that could be taken as queer baiting and
32:57
frustrating because obviously we don't have a language, but also
33:00
we kind of do queer coding. So she told Vanity Fair, quote,
33:05
I don't think about my gender or my sexuality when asked about
33:08
the experience of playing a queer woman.
33:09
For me in school, it was David Bowie, it was Annie Lennox.
33:13
There's always been that sort of gender fluidity.
33:15
Some people take that to be problematic and be like, oh, I
33:19
have a right to play a lesbian because like, I like the arts in
33:23
high school. I don't know, I think that kind
33:25
of makes sense. Like maybe she just wasn't
33:27
focused on her sexuality because she's pansexual and she's fluid.
33:33
Like, who knows, right? Then there was this whole like
33:36
confirming she was in a relationship with a woman Gate
33:39
where this is what I was kind of talking about, where like
33:42
celebrities will try to like avoid the question of sexuality
33:47
in a way that I think is to like make them feel like they're not
33:51
being a bad gay, but they're also not outing themselves at
33:55
the same time. So Kate Blanchett says, quote,
33:58
I've never had a sexual relationship with a woman.
34:01
However, this came after she said she's had many
34:04
relationships with women. So it's very confusing.
34:07
And I think that until she had to clarify it, then she was
34:11
like, fuck, like I'm trapped. And I have to like say that I've
34:13
never had a sexual relationship with a woman.
34:15
Whether she didn't want to say that because it's not true or
34:21
she didn't want to say it because she didn't want to,
34:24
like, admit that she was queer dating, who knows?
34:27
At a press conference for the film, Carol Cate Blanchett was
34:32
asked about an interview she gave last week to Variety.
34:37
And this is in 2015. A lot of shit happening for the
34:40
gays. In 2015, she appeared to come
34:42
out as bisexual, saying that she had, quote, many past
34:45
relationships with women. She's married to a man with four
34:49
children. But again, we've known that that
34:50
doesn't mean shit anymore in Hollywood.
34:52
The conversation ran. Have you had relationships with
34:54
women? She said yes many times.
34:58
Then she said do you mean have I had sex relationships with
35:00
women? Then she says then the answer is
35:02
no and check continued. But in 2015, the point should be
35:07
who cares? Call me old fashioned, but I
35:08
thought one's job as an actor was not to be.
35:11
Not to present one's boring small microscopic universe, but
35:15
to make a psychological connection to another person's
35:17
experience, blah blah blah blah blah.
35:20
I totally agree. And listen, that doesn't even
35:22
necessarily mean that she's straight guys.
35:25
It just means that she said that she doesn't have, she hasn't had
35:28
a sexual relationship with another woman.
35:29
And also she could have been lying for the sake of her own
35:31
career. I got to be honest, that's not
35:32
impossible, But what if she had like a crush on some girl?
35:37
What if she's by just never had the opportunity to have a sexual
35:40
relationship with a woman? Doesn't mean you're not queer.
35:42
Regardless, that's the whole coming out gate for Cate
35:45
Blanchett and her kind of like not answering the question right
35:49
away is so tea to be like, yes, I've had relationships with
35:53
women and run with that. I think that's crazy and could
35:57
also be queer baiting. And I know some people say, oh,
36:00
a person can't queer bait, but like, if they're attached to the
36:03
project, I could. I argue they could.
36:08
But again, I don't see the problem with that with Cate
36:10
Blanchett. I don't see the problem with her
36:12
pushing out queer rumors about herself because I think if
36:16
anything, it's only like, good for culture to see, like, a
36:19
powerful, successful woman be queer.
36:24
Yeah. I just think it's T though that
36:27
she was like Yep I've had relationships with women but not
36:30
sexual ones. I'm like girl what are you
36:32
talking about? It's giving gay though.
36:35
It's still giving gay. If she was lying is not fucked
36:38
up like if she was lying to cover up her sexuality.
36:43
And I think we also need to remember like, no, queer people
36:47
lie all the time. Sometimes we panic and lie.
36:51
It's not the craziest thing. Wouldn't be the first time that
36:54
a gay person lied about their sexuality.
36:56
Let's just say that. Also, do you guys remember when
36:59
Cate Blanchett was on a live call with Sarah Paulson and and
37:05
she pretty much called herself a lesbian on Instagram live with
37:08
Sarah Paulson? Which by the way, they're giving
37:11
like 2 lesbian besties. You guys have definitely seen
37:13
this. But like, OK, So what happened
37:16
is he blurts out in the beginning of the live, Hey,
37:19
gays. And then Paulson adds like, I
37:21
love you, we love you, whatever. And she like literally says and
37:26
again, she could be replying to like some comment on the lie,
37:29
but she literally goes like, I'm a lesbian and this her possum's
37:31
like what? And then they're like, what?
37:33
And it's like, oh God, I just her saying she's a lesbian on
37:37
Instagram live. I'm sorry, like is T And that
37:42
was in 2025 years after the whole coming out Carol drama,
37:49
right? Who knows where her sexuality
37:50
is. Yes, technically she has a
37:52
husband. Who fucking knows though, right?
37:54
She also has so many like lesbian friends that I like.
37:58
It's hard to know if she was saying that as like a joke.
38:01
Again, I think she's queer in some way and I'm just hoping
38:05
she's not group baiting. OK.
38:07
Also in Ocean's 8, have you guys seen Ocean's Eight?
38:11
It's an amazing movie about a bunch of women.
38:13
Like Rihanna's in it, Sandra Bullock's in it, Keeb Lynchett's
38:15
in it, Sarah Paulson's in it, everyone's in it.
38:19
And they like steal a bunch of jewels from the Met.
38:21
It's iconic. But like in Ocean's 8, Sandra
38:24
Bullock and Cate Blanchett are in it.
38:26
They say they love each other and they like almost insinuate
38:29
their inner relationship. It's very queer.
38:33
And I was watching a few months ago and I was like, these two
38:36
bitches are kind of living the same life where like they're
38:40
they've done a lot of publicly gay shit and then they like
38:43
cover their asses and they do more gay shit and they're like,
38:46
just kidding. I'm not gay.
38:47
I'm and it's like, what? What's that tracking for me?
38:50
It's giving to me that they're both gay and they don't know.
38:55
They want to slyly tell the public that without having to
38:59
like come out officially and giving Taylor Swift, giving
39:04
secretly gay women, but also not that secret if like you're in
39:07
their circles, but also like they're not going to be like
39:11
publicly identifying themselves for maybe a multiple multitude
39:15
of reasons, right? I wish they would.
39:18
I wish they would. But like, what if they're like
39:20
even together in real life? Sandra Willik and Cate Blanchett
39:23
wouldn't be surprised about that.
39:25
OK, let's move on to. We have two more people to cover
39:29
Jessica Biel. This is a shorter one just
39:32
because honestly doing this research, I never considered
39:35
that Jessica Biel might be queer until I just like was doing some
39:39
research and apparently she seems to have like a mask
39:43
ex-girlfriend that she was kissing on the lips on a
39:46
paparazzi photo. This is one of the more solid
39:50
evidence than like I kind of feel like we have for any other
39:54
celebrity on this list, maybe besides Alicia Keys and then of
39:57
course, Drew Barrymore, which I'm going to get into.
39:59
But I'm again, I will show this picture at the end of.
40:03
Of this YouTube video of this podcast because like she's quite
40:07
literally about to kiss her girlfriend and then there's also
40:11
a picture of this girl like holding and touching her like
40:14
but I'll show it to you guys but this this girl this girl is
40:20
masked but like in some pictures.
40:22
I don't know if it's a different one or the same girl, but like,
40:25
she looks like this girl. It's giving Taylor Swift and
40:29
Curly Kloss, like, dating your twin.
40:32
But like, they're kissing and they're spotted together a bunch
40:36
of times. Like, this woman is like holding
40:39
her ass. Like, it seems very clear that
40:42
Jessica Biel dated a masked woman.
40:44
And of course, this is another situation where no one's asking
40:48
Jessica Biel her sexuality. We don't know her sexuality.
40:51
He could have clearly had like, a girlfriend.
40:54
There is also a theory about this, that maybe Jessica Biel
40:58
and Justin Timberlake are like, in a lavender marriage.
41:02
And there's, of course, gay rumors for Justin Timberlake.
41:05
Maybe they're bye for bye. Maybe they're open.
41:08
But Justin Timberlake has had some shit the last few years.
41:10
He was like caught like cheating, I think with a woman.
41:13
So who knows what's going on with them, but it's giving Swiss
41:17
swizz beats writing a girl a song about a girl, but being
41:21
with your husband. Like she like seems to be like
41:24
having this girl over her, but she's also with Justin
41:27
Timberlake. The whole thing is very
41:29
confusing. And I think it's a reminder that
41:30
like everyone in Hollywood is fucking gay.
41:33
And this is like not uncommon. And it seems like if everyone in
41:37
Hollywood came out, everyone in Hollywood would be gay and then
41:41
half of America wouldn't want to watch any movies because they
41:43
would all be like gay people. That's kind of what it's seeming
41:46
like to me because like every single motherfucker is gay.
41:50
Like I just like kept I was like, I have to stop listing
41:53
people because all these people are gay, are final secretly gay
41:57
woman of Hollywood. That I do think is less secret
42:00
and is more very clear about it now is Drew Barrymore.
42:05
I didn't know that she was queer until I fully did research into
42:09
this. I thought it was just rumored,
42:11
but she pretty much came out and I don't really see a lot of
42:16
media talking about that. And that really pisses me off
42:19
because Drew Barrymore shouldn't have to come out a million times
42:22
for her to be recognized now as like a queer woman.
42:24
But apparently she has to and that's really annoying.
42:29
But like this is going to be an honorable mention one because I
42:31
guess it's not really a secret, but I literally didn't know
42:34
until I found this quote. But I just remember a few days
42:38
ago I saw a TikTok of her like acting very gay in all of her
42:41
interviews, like very close up on the Drew Barrymore show with
42:44
like her female guests like Cynthia Revo and Ariana Grande,
42:48
of course. And just like very much like
42:50
close to them, as we all know. And of course we all see that
42:53
and we're like, is this bitch sapphic?
42:55
But assumed that like, she wasn't out or else, you know, we
42:59
would have heard it, right? But alas, the media apparently
43:04
doesn't assume that any of these are coming out unless Drew
43:08
Barrymore writes a press release reminding everyone every month,
43:11
which is annoying because she said it in very clear words.
43:14
Quote. I have always considered myself
43:17
bisexual and apparently that's not enough.
43:19
Like I wouldn't be surprised if there's an article that was like
43:22
actually conflict, conflicting reports.
43:24
Drew Barrymore is not bisexual. Like she did not come out.
43:27
It's like she clearly is. And no one knows I am gay for a
43:33
living. And I didn't know that she had
43:36
said that she was bisexual. So the media do better.
43:41
I feel like the media is so scared to call anyone fucking
43:44
gay and it's pissing me off because it's not an accusation,
43:49
OK? It's a positive thing.
43:51
The quote continues from Drew Barrymore.
43:54
This is so funny. It's such a gay quote.
43:56
A woman and a woman together are beautiful, just as a man and a
43:59
woman together are beautiful. Being with a woman is like
44:02
exploring your own body, real, but through someone else.
44:05
When I was younger, I used to go with lots of women.
44:08
Totally. I love it.
44:09
She's so gay and as we know now, she's talked a lot more about
44:15
how she doesn't like, prioritize sex.
44:17
This is a quote from The Advocate and it refers to her as
44:21
a bisexual actor, which is the only time I even saw a piece of
44:24
meaning referring to her as bisexual.
44:26
But maybe because she isn't like actively dating people don't and
44:32
view her as bisexual. Regardless, it's problematic and
44:36
it seems like not seems like she is out.
44:39
She's out as by the media barely talks about it and I feel like
44:43
people don't know about it. And what's this all coming back
44:46
to you guys? It's coming back to the media
44:48
and the muzzling power of Hollywood.
44:51
What else? Losing viewers?
44:54
I don't know. All these women seem very gay to
44:56
me, and some of them more secret than others, some of them more
45:00
denying it than others. But I think at the end of the
45:03
day, if you write a song about the same sex and saying you have
45:07
a dream about them, you're a guy.
45:09
All right, that's where I'm going to close.
45:11
What do you guys think? I also could continue this
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because there are so many goddamn gay celebrities and
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there is a pattern here with specifically sapphic celebrities
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where they make some of these like little comments and then
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they deny them and they do something else kind of gay and
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then they deny those. And it's like straight people
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wouldn't be confusing about when they talk about their sexuality,
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right, Unless they're trying to lead us on possible that the
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careerbating. I just like to believe that
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people are gay and I really do think that that's true,
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especially in Hollywood. Hollywood is so fucking gay.
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And I'm going to do an episode soon on like the history of
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lavender marriages in Hollywood and how they paired people up
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and the 1930s like Hollywood Code when people really stopped
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like showing queer people on TV. That's had a lot of influence on
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celebrities and how public they can be about their sexuality and
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how honest they are with the public.
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And it's really hard to distinguish between a public
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persona and someone's real life. Because again, like, perhaps if
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we're if you were in that circle, maybe people are walking
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around like, Oh yeah, my lesbian friend, like Kate Blinchett,
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right? And thinks it's very obvious.
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But of course that's not public for the world to see, right?
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So very interesting, of course, how much is being influenced by
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their management teams? How much is being influenced by
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them being in the public eye for 30 years?
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Maybe they've just resigned themself to not being out in
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public but being out with their friends and family.
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Which of these motherfuckers are going to release a memoir in 30
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years like Evelyn Hugo and announced that they've been gay
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the entire time? I would bet all of these
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motherfuckers OK? All of them.
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And if anyone has a way that I can get into Sandra Bullock's
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lesbian bar, please let me know. There'll be an honor of a
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lifetime. I'll sign every single NDA.
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OK guys, that's our episode for this week.
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As always, please let me know what you thought.
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Have a great week. Let's pray that February is a
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way better month than January and keep your heads up.
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Love you guys, see you next week.