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#647: The Real Independent Media | Indie · Macroaggressions

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  Find out for yourself. All right. Now that we got the business out of the way
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  It is my pleasure to welcome to the show for the first. I don't know how this is the first time that you've been on the show
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  Welcome Indy
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  Indy news network Indy news now. How are you good to see you?
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  Such such an honor and a pleasure to be here how I
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  You know, I'm just doing head down doing my own thing and so are you and
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  You're a top 20 podcast in demand. So
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  Congratulations on on all the accolades and the growth. It's remarkable to see and well-deserved and you know
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  considering spaces that normally don't get the kind of
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  growth and for whatever that conspiracy space
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  It's got the right people at the top and I love it. Oh, well, thank you very much
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  It's funny because you know when I
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  When I started the podcast, I really thought okay
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  This is gonna be my opportunity to talk to all of the big-time conspiracy people and I think I I have I've had a
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  I've talked to quite a few of them, but I never thought I would speak to as many farmers as I have and
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  People who are in the health industry and what I've what I've really come to understand
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  I mean, I probably should have known this all along, but I think maybe it's just been made
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  obvious to me is that
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  Taking control of your health and taking control of your ability to feed yourself is like the most anarchist thing you can do
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  It is it is way more
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  Valuable than Molotov cocktailing the government. You know what I mean? It's so much
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  It's so much. It's a solution to the government problems
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  I mean, it's one thing to shake your fist and have issues with the government obviously we do
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  But it's like what are you gonna do about it?
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  Well, if you keep yourself healthy and you and you keep yourself well-fed and you and you're not dependent on the
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  Slop that's coming out of the big agra
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  And your supply chain isn't isn't subject to change because somebody caught a flu in
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  Wuhan or something like that, you know like that to me has become that's been the the the funny
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  Hidden jewel of macroaggressions is that I thought I was gonna be talking to the David Ikes of the world every day
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  And I wind up talking to you know, Tim James and Jim Gale from food forest abundance. You know what I mean?
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  The more you know when you dig into this that's and that's where it all starts is is with what we eat and
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  with how we transact and the thing that's that that drew me into what you talk about a lot isn't
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  That's a serrily the food though. It is really important and how and talking about getting healthy
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  it's the banking side and
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  digging into the history of the banking side and the insidiousness of the banking side and the
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  Relationships that happened 150 years ago that are impacting us today
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  That stuff fascinates me. I mean I've always been kind of a history guy and
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  And
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  That is another way to piss off and to opt out of the system is trying to figure out how do we
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  You know work around this massive system and bring in our neighbors to to do the same and
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  You know, I know you you've been a proponent of crypto
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  You I believe you purchased the activist post with Bitcoin. Correct. I mean correct. Yeah
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  That's a story that few people know and upsets me because it's a success story
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  That happened because of alternative money and now here you are relighting this
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  This brand that was banned and that was kind of you know put up to the dustbin of of history
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  And bring it back and and I love seeing the whole thing and how you did it and it's like, hey, man
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  This was like an alternative for it's still money
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  Look, I still had to pay for this
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  So a huge fan of what you did there and what you're doing with that. So and that's
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  Similar, although I'm building it myself. It's is with indie news now. It's an aggregator
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  Where they can get independent news by category
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  In my case, it's completely ad-free. You've got advertisers and sponsors that you align with
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  Yeah, that's a whole conversation. We can have those about well, you know, what is the right way
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  podcast and to do this
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  As a business
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  Because a lot of people do this as a hobby
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  And that's kind of how I do it
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  I don't want to necessarily make money or support myself with it
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  But there are a lot of people who get into this to do that and therefore
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  Have to then make decisions that they're not really
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  Aware that they're going to have to make going in
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  About the content they want to cover
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  About the way they want to present themselves
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  And about the fact that a lot of times they're going to have to end up playing a character
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  As an actor almost
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  um as a performer
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  Versus just being yourself on camera and just saying whatever comes to your mind like
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  Charlie Robinson does
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  I
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  You know, I don't again the the sponsor methods the way to go
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  Um
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  And but you have to align with the right sponsors and be willing to say no, that's it. That's that that's the thing
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  So I
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  And by the way for for those listen indie news now.com you guys want to go there and bookmark that
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  Um a lot like activist posts as you mentioned. Yeah, we're we're pulling in articles from other people
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  You got to have you know, if you're looking if you're chasing articles all over the internet
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  Like you don't need to do that. We'll do all that for you
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  Uh indie news now.com indie news dot network as well
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  Um bookmark these check them out. You know, this is part of like getting good source material for you know for for all of us
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  working off of
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  High quality information, but you mentioned the sponsorship thing and it's
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  You know, it it said it's always once money is injected you all you you run the risk of it being
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  Someone someone asking questions like are you doing this for the money?
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  Is this or is the money making you do this or say that?
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  And I think people can get themselves in weird situations. I mean for me
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  I I just have sponsors who I know, you know
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  I like tim james and chemical free body is a guy who I have I've spent plenty of time with
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  That guy saved his life by improving his health and he's
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  He's devoted to to making that
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  You know to making products that work like I have
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  No problem
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  Representing and aligning myself with him. I mean for one I take the products and second
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  The way it's set up just I mean full disclosure for people who are who are curious
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  I I always do affiliate deals and I think this has to do with me spending 30 years in real estate where I've been
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  I've always been 100 commission driven where I have no base salary and what you eat what you kill
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  Right so so in in the advertising world with an with affiliate deals
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  It's like you have a sponsor the sponsor offers
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  the customer a discount and the
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  The host a commission and if done correctly
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  Everybody wins the brand gets a sale
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  The host gets a
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  Commission and the buyer gets a product that they want at a discounted price, right? So so there's
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  You you can do it that obviously the product has to be or service has to be
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  Ideologically aligned, but when that happens
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  Then it's not like someone's just giving me a bag of money and saying say this
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  Because I feel like no I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to just say that
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  I'll say what I feel but I have to actually feel it or I'm not going to say it
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  You know what I mean? So so for me
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  It's you know, I'd love to do it
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  I'd love to get to a place in my life where I didn't have to to to have any sort of money
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  component tied to it, but
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  My well, you know, I also like I'm married and have a kid and I have I have financial responsibilities
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  And it's like it's all it's it's a hobby then my then my wife is like nice hobby get a job, you know
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  So so it's like how can I?
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  How can we?
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  Do what we feel is important work
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  And find a way way to make a lot. I mean nobody's getting rich doing this
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  Well, I shouldn't say that I suppose maybe some of the wrong people are getting rich doing this
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  But nobody who's doing it. I think the organic way is getting rich doing it
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  But you find a way to kind of grind that I made more money in real estate, but I wasn't as happy
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  I wasn't doing interesting work. I'll tell you that much. So it's like
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  The business side of me is like, well, we you could make this into
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  There's a business here
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  but
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  You you always I think have to walk that line between like you better not bring in the wrong sponsor
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  Or next thing you know, you have to explain yourself like stoopeders, you know what I mean
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  So you don't want to you don't want to you don't want to do that and and for the record
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  I have been approached
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  I have been approached by the wrong sponsors and I have said no
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  because
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  We what are you going to what am I going to do start from scratch with my
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  reputation and integrity because I signed on to some
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  Shit medical or health brand. No fucking way not doing it. Not don't don't need the money that badly, you know, so
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  You gotta find that balance that's people
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  Go after go after an organization and take the money from an organization that claim to make people
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  Well, I don't know well if they do if they don't if they they seem to be litigious and
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  They seem to make a lot of claims and they seem to have a lot of money to throw around and they're tied with people that
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  I'm not terribly thrilled to want to be linked to let's just say that
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  um
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  People that you've talked about in some of your other shows
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  It's a matter of fact
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  Right, so yeah
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  Yeah
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  But coming back to you know, you mentioned uh in in introducing indie news now
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  Aggregating and trying to vet what are the sources that we find to be reliable and
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  I started really doing this hardcore about five years ago six years ago
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  And uh, just after pandemic started. I was already disgruntled heavily with
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  Corporate news quote unquote and really starting to check out on the system
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  I was a normie. I was a good little drone who was making nice six figure salary in a sales role
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  and married had the kids the mortgage the whole thing and
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  All of a sudden it all just kind of broke for me and it's like, oh
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  We you know, I've been working remotely for 20 years
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  And there's like everybody figured out that you could actually work work remotely and be productive
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  and kind of run your own schedule and
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  Do even better and everybody wins if if we could do this and
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  Uh, I started getting involved in independent media in aggregating independent news and putting together
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  My first website was independent left dot news and that was an aggregator host
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  And it did a lot of the work for me. It made a beautiful template and website
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  It put links to twitter and everything else and all I had to do was give it a couple of sources
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  And it would do the rest
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  Well when twitter changed their algorithm in 2023 that program shut down. I'm like, oh, shit. What do I do now?
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  So I first
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  I used my inbox and I was just subscribing to all these newsletters and all of a sudden I had a folder of
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  200 news, you know emails a day
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  To have to go through to scroll all this stuff. It's like I got to build a new website
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  And the only I didn't want to use like one of these self-hosted things like square space or they charge you to develop by page
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  You know, that's a whole mess of itself
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  The way that I've learned is to build it yourself and self-host it on a web server
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  Um, I believe you do the same on macro aggressions. I believe activist posts is probably hosted the same way
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  and and wordpress is the largest uh platform for doing so
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  Ghost is also a large one a lot of people are moving toward ghost
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  and um
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  I just set up a basic thing
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  You know grab the link uh link right to the page so that people know who these people are and
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  I'm not trying to hide that or take their traffic for myself
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  All right, and I just want to be like a portal just the the pass through
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  But I spent five years going through who who's kind of telling
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  uh state department
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  Narrative uh is what I see a lot of people regurgitating whether they know it or not
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  Because when you look at it from the larger perch and you see those 200 emails a day
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  You kind of get a feeling as to where different camps
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  Are feeling about a certain issue. Let's just say that and
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  There are different
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  Different camps or different factions to each
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  Quote unquote independent space, you know independent space is not all a monolith just like
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  Republicans aren't a monolith and democrats aren't a monolith
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  And it's fascinating to to witness all of that and to absorb all of that
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  And to then figure out where is this all going?
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  And that's why I do all this
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  Is to figure out where it's all going because I know the news is lying to me, right
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  Totally, um, I know that everybody has their own bias in their own podcast
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  So in order to put this all together for my own head
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  I need to absorb a multitude of different sources that have their own biases and perspectives
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  And pull together my own
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  So that's how any news now was born
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  I described, you know people said well as the editor of activist post i'm not
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  Sitting in an office with like
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  Writers coming in with stories going take a look at this what enemy like going no change that change that
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  Like there's none of that going on. It's not the traditional like
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  editor
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  Image that you have in your mind. It's more like a it's more like a information dj, right where you go
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  Oh, this is the theme for today
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  Let's the vibe is going to be
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  You know empire and it's going to be heavy and here's what we're going to do
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  We're going to have this article and this one and the and just pulling it together
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  Based on where you are what what the story, you know
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  Not so much um
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  That I have any say in it
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  But just curating other people's work and putting it in a in a in a format that
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  In a flow that doesn't it's not too heavy, you know not overwhelming
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  I have to make sure I don't put, you know, too many depressing stories about gaza in there
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  Not not to shield the news or anything like that plenty in there, but
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  You also have to have solutions as well and some upbeat, you know
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  Articles about things that you can do to improve your health not just
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  Telling everybody that they're, you know, the world's out to get them, but also hey, here's what you can do to
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  Fix this so it's sort of a I'm trying to find that blend between
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  reporting on the
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  Very darkness, you know the very dark issues that are happening around the world
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  But also not making it so depressing that people feel like it's hopeless and that they
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  They don't have a any sort of path towards success because I I do believe and also
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  The email newsletter that we have that people can sign up for is
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  Called the solution series and so I mean solution series right there. It's just kind of it's in the name like
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  I know the stuff is scary, but like hey, here's some ways that you can solve the problems
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  And I think if we're doing that it then
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  I don't know how
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  Much somebody can just accuse us of being blackpilled
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  Although you know as I do the information is depressing and there's a lot of it out there and it can feel a bit overwhelming
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  And and you and I act in some ways as a as a filter
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  For that not to filter it out not to change the news or anything, but it's like
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  We've filtered out a lot of the awfulness
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  You know because like you said there are 200 stories about it in your inbox today
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  You know and nobody needs to read 200 stories about the awfulness of it. I mean maybe you and I do
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  Or you know, we sift through it as best we can but that that there's a price to to pay for your soul
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  How do you how do you manage the process of of being in this information?
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  But not letting it impact you so negatively
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  Man, it's
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  That's one of the harder things. I have outlets where I do other podcasts. I have fun with
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  You know, I have children and I play with my kids and I focus
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  On watching them grow and helping them grow and figure all of this out
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  And yes, it's a hard world and it is
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  Yeah, we don't
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  What you're talking about I see 10 x what most people end up seeing you when they go through my website when it comes to all this
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  Horrific and depressing stuff and what I choose to end up putting on my on my show
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  Or you know, the other stuff I literally just sent an rss feed and I put the I trust these people
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  To publish material and whatever theme they're going with on indie news now. That's a little different
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  Is wherever it goes it kind of goes wherever they go
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  But I put people only the people that I trusted
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  That have proven themselves over time to be consistent
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  And that I think is as important as anything. It may be something I disagree with
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  But if they are consistent in their views and have
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  Legitimate receipts to back them up as to why
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  It's kind of hard to argue with even if you don't like it
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  um
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  The one thing that I will say is that if they have shown repeatedly that they are not for press freedom
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  If they did not advocate for julie and assange to be freed
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  That's that's an immediate disqualifier for me that that that's just one thing
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  But you ask the question about how I have a podcast I do with my buddy on sunday nights
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  It started out we did a news podcast on sunday nights to kind of recap
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  Here's what was on the website that you might have missed and I called it. How did we miss that?
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  We did that for three and a half years
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  And right after that he's like dude. We're watching we're doing go reading such depressing articles like we got to do
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  So that's reef reef brielyn co-founded indie news network with me. That's my brother
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  um
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  reef uh said i'm going to curate some silly videos and we'll watch that at the end
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  And it became like a react show and
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  Then we were getting hit by youtube for um copyright claims for some of the videos
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  And they were like taking down the entire news show because of a 30 second freaking videos that we were watching
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  At the end of the thing that had nothing to do with it. So
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  In the end I made the decision after about a year and a half
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  We're going to make it its own show and and it's called boats smashing into other boats
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  It's an homage to jimmy door funny enough because jimmy was on joe rogan and joe says well
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  What do you watch when you're not like podcasting and stuff?
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  So that was that he said well, I like to watch boat crashes boats smashing into other boats and guys falling off the boats and
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  It's hilarious man. And it's just it it cracked us both up now
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  We were both jimmy door fans at the time. I'm still a fan of jimmy's
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  It's a little different. I see things a little differently now. I was
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  much more I was much less a person in
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  creating media, but jimmy's been really generous
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  jimmy was a guest on a on a
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  Panel show that I hosted one of the first things I ever did in this space was help to direct and produce a six panel solutions
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  um
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  live stream that featured pasta jar doula and fiorella from the convo couch
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  And jimmy door and his band of merry men and some other podcasters that I don't really talk to anymore, but
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  We really tried to pull the whole thing together to look at education and media and
• 26:26
  Farming and government and what can we actually do in the space that we have right now?
• 26:31
  This was 2021 after
• 26:33
  We had just lost to a democrat in a what we saw as a rigged primary
• 26:39
  Right and now what the people's party is there but seems to be flailing and
• 26:45
  there's a lot of discussion about how do we fix education and
• 26:50
  So we had six different panel discussions jimmy was a guest
• 26:54
  So jimmy was inspiration for that uh for that
• 26:57
  title
• 26:58
  And then again, it just kind of snowballed. So now we do an hour every Sunday night sometimes two
• 27:04
  On so on the last Sunday night
• 27:07
  We actually go to rumble only and we'll do because we we don't want to be copyright claimed by youtube
• 27:13
  We actually just go only on rumble and
• 27:16
  Substack into places that tend to not really police
• 27:19
  Short videos like that for copyright content as much
• 27:23
  nice
• 27:25
  YouTube's relentless and just a
• 27:29
  Killer I heard you say macro aggressions is back on youtube. Yeah, but
• 27:33
  Down and but you know in a second and we've seen channels disappear
• 27:38
  We've seen independent journalists specifically that speak on behalf of russia
• 27:44
  Their channels will get pulled regularly for no reason just because the state department decided
• 27:50
  They're getting too big
• 27:53
  No explanation
• 27:54
  No, nothing if you speak on behalf of palestine. I mean we we were demonetized at indy news network for more than three years
• 28:03
  um after after october 7th
• 28:07
  The guy had put a title in
• 28:09
  That youtube didn't like and said that we were supporting terrorism
• 28:14
  We weren't we were reporting from a facetious tongue-in-cheek thing, but they didn't see it that way and
• 28:20
  We just got it back in february and all of a sudden our view counts are starting to increase just slightly but
• 28:26
  Still we've had we've been suppressed and everyone that talks about this stuff
• 28:30
  tends to be
• 28:31
  Suppressed if you're questioning that that narrative
• 28:35
  Very often unless you are
• 28:39
  Paying for subscribers you're paying for clicks and I choose not to
• 28:45
  Um growth is a lot harder
• 28:47
  The other the other thing you can do is do what a jimmy door does or sam trippley does is have a second career that gets you famous
• 28:56
  That introduces you to an audience
• 28:59
  That brings in that that that group so that you can you can connect on a on a higher level
• 29:05
  um with a with a big podcast audience across multiple platforms
• 29:11
  I think today
• 29:13
  It's really really hard to do that organically from scratch
• 29:17
  almost impossible
• 29:18
  And anyone that does it
• 29:20
  I start the question. I'm sorry. I do
• 29:24
  I'm a skeptic
• 29:25
  Yeah, me too anybody who comes out of nowhere and has just a little bit too easy of a path to
• 29:31
  subscribers and
• 29:33
  Because you know how hard it that is what a grind it is. Yeah, I got my youtube channel back
• 29:37
  but I went in there and
• 29:40
  In matt ramer from content safe. I hired him to to
• 29:45
  backfill all the content in there on a managed schedule
• 29:50
  and
• 29:51
  You know, I went in there. They have a monetization component for youtube. It's like hey
• 29:55
  Three step process step one fill this out. Okay step two do this. Okay step three wait. There's nothing for you to do
• 30:03
  It usually takes a week. It may take up to 30 days for us to get back to you
• 30:08
  We'll let you know if you're approved. I don't know. We're in month three
• 30:12
  Me waiting for it. So it's like it's like freedom to
• 30:17
  monetize your channel if we ever, you know, allow you to get through the third step or
• 30:23
  Freedom of speech but not freedom of reach. Yeah, we give you your channel back
• 30:26
  But you'll you'll get a hundred views maximum or you will never allow anybody to
• 30:31
  Find it and things like that just little little things that just annoying. I know it, you know people
• 30:37
  You know for content creators
• 30:39
  It's frustrating and annoying for the I think for the listeners or viewers too
• 30:44
  Like they just want to have one place where they can find you have some consistency there
• 30:48
  Look, it's not our fault that the platforms are
• 30:52
  Making these decisions. It's like
• 30:54
  I have no no say in a band. Video got you know went away with info wars going down
• 30:59
  It used to get great views there, but now I don't know now it's gone
• 31:03
  So I don't I don't know what I don't know where people are going to go rockfin's dead
• 31:09
  Oh, I can tell you a whole story about rockfin
• 31:11
  I was one of the first channels that rockfin decided to eliminate
• 31:14
  Oh, really any news network stopped being able to live stream in june of 2023
• 31:19
  I published a whole series of articles
• 31:22
  Just about their slide and decline and man
• 31:26
  What a disappointment and
• 31:29
  Uh, I was I went into rockfin as a fanatic like a raving fanatic of the idea of
• 31:36
  Even their own token which people told me it was it was a grip. It was silly
• 31:41
  But look something that supports the artist, you know, the there were a lot of issues with it
• 31:47
  Taking in credit card money in real cash and then giving out this
• 31:52
  Fake money, which then they ended up sun setting the token without telling anybody. Oh, yeah, the rate tokens that you're holding are worthless now
• 32:00
  People got stuck holding thousands of these things in one case. Somebody told me $35,000 worth. I'm not going to say who
• 32:07
  Oh, man
• 32:09
  Yeah, it was a mess and
• 32:12
  They stopped the first they let go of their head of production
• 32:16
  in like january of 2024
• 32:19
  Then they stopped and we we noticed that the newsletter stopped coming every month telling you what your statement is
• 32:25
  Here's how many you got and here's what the conversion was and here's what your donations were and the dashboard was there
• 32:34
  Then in june
• 32:36
  All right in in june my channel stopped live streaming
• 32:39
  So I got in touch with support and they couldn't figure out how to fix it
• 32:44
  And i'm like, well, should I just fuck off now like what what am I supposed to do?
• 32:48
  they just ghosted me
• 32:51
  and
• 32:52
  then
• 32:53
  In september they missed a payout to everybody
• 32:57
  And I started hearing at the beginning of september. Hey, you know, I didn't get my rockfin one
• 33:02
  And then I started hearing it from everybody and I start pressing like what's going on here
• 33:08
  Finally, they put out a statement that well, we're restructuring and reassessing and read this and read that
• 33:15
  They paid out on like the 16th to some
• 33:18
  And then the 17th the others
• 33:21
  At a reduced rate with no statement and no clarity as to what the conversion rate even was
• 33:27
  And again, I've documented all of this at indie media today, which is my substack. I published original articles there
• 33:34
  and
• 33:36
  they then
• 33:38
  Six months later shut down the ray token
• 33:41
  Without really ever making any formal announcement that this was happening
• 33:45
  giving their creators time to
• 33:48
  To transition to another which is usdc, which is what they decided to pay out in circle tokens
• 33:55
  Okay, that's closer to a stable coin dollar. That makes more sense
• 33:59
  Okay, I would have done that they never they they sent one email in 2022 inviting people to maybe do this
• 34:06
  without any clarity
• 34:09
  I mean this this should be a massive lawsuit. It should be written somewhere mariam hanine
• 34:15
  The b-lady she threatened a lawsuit
• 34:19
  of rockfin, but
• 34:22
  They didn't respond from my to my understanding and
• 34:26
  I don't think it was worth her time and what she would have recovered to pursue the case unfortunately
• 34:33
  But these guys ripped off a lot of people
• 34:36
  They built up a lot of hope
• 34:39
  They got everybody's content for years
• 34:43
  They barely promoted it. They did not fix or build the platform
• 34:47
  I had been writing about issues with the crypto token issues with the technical
• 34:52
  aspect and then issues with their marketing and with the fact that
• 34:56
  They've taken in all of this money from all of these tips
• 35:00
  And have barely spent a dime to actually promote the platform out there anywhere
• 35:05
  Yeah, what they were doing was positioning themselves to get a wrestling deal from the nc AA
• 35:10
  And basically ignored the independent space and now a lot of those videos all those old shows
• 35:18
  You can't even watch them. They've turned off the archives
• 35:22
  So the placeholder is there and you go to watch and say, sorry, this video is not available anymore
• 35:27
  So it's even worse than making it a race. It's like, oh, yeah, it existed, but we're not going to let you see it
• 35:34
  Right
• 35:35
  There's that really upset in front and I'm worried that rumble at some point will do the same thing
• 35:41
  Which is why we self host why we are on multiple platforms
• 35:46
  Why I've been believing in playing platform whack-a-mole
• 35:50
  Since the day I got into this
• 35:52
  Yeah, we're on nine platforms including what we self host
• 35:57
  You gotta be
• 35:58
  I'm sorry
• 36:00
  Because the alternative is that they you know, like band video goes away
• 36:05
  I knew that was gonna we were living on borrowed time for the last two years really
• 36:09
  I thought it was gone a while ago, but it it hung in there and it got traction
• 36:14
  but
• 36:15
  you know odyssey's over gone like an overhaul in terms of like the the back end engineering but
• 36:23
  Odyssey's never really caught on they were going to do something for us for the independent media alliance
• 36:28
  They were going to build out a private sort of
• 36:32
  I never really knew exactly what it was. I never understood fully what it was
• 36:35
  But it was going to be like a our own little platform
• 36:37
  They pulled the plug on that a couple weeks ago and now we're not
• 36:41
  It seemed like sub stacked
• 36:43
  Okay, you were going to be able to livestream
• 36:45
  You were going to be able to podcast
• 36:47
  You're going to be able to publish and you were going to be able to build it as a
• 36:50
  A group network thing where multiple contributors should come in
• 36:54
  You go to one central place that had all the articles right you guys should really honestly
• 36:58
  I can't stand the andreason harwoods platform
• 37:01
  But the right platform for the alliance would be sub stacked because you all could have your own accounts
• 37:07
  You could have your own sub stacks for activist post or whatever it is
• 37:10
  But also published to a central hub alliance
• 37:14
  Um, maybe that's the solution
• 37:17
  Yeah, you know derrick's building it through um
• 37:20
  Wordpress right now with the with the developers what I hear he took it over again
• 37:25
  Okay, Ryan was working on it and
• 37:27
  A lot of people have tried to make that work and
• 37:30
  I would love to be able to also
• 37:33
  Contribute to that
• 37:34
  I've been a big believer in the alliance
• 37:35
  Because the alliance is very much in line with what my original vision of indy news network was
• 37:41
  Back in 2021
• 37:43
  I saw a bunch of these really small creators less than a thousand less than a couple thousand subscribers
• 37:50
  Kind of missing something we all were
• 37:53
  And I was like, you know what let's all pool our resources. Let's be guests on each other's shows
• 37:58
  Let's uh, I have a restream account that's premium. Everybody can use restream
• 38:03
  I got a paid canva account everybody use canva. All right
• 38:08
  We'll get a you know a shared zoom account
• 38:11
  Everybody use zoom none of us stream at the same time. We all share it together. It's like a communal thing
• 38:17
  That's what indy news network was the spirit of that and we'll do round round table live streams once in a while
• 38:23
  But it'll be we'll keep our own channel most importantly like the independent media alliance
• 38:29
  We're coming with something we know what we're doing already
• 38:32
  We have our own channel that's already being built and we build this in addition to that
• 38:39
  Hard to serve two masters one person's got to build the network as well
• 38:44
  That turned out to be me
• 38:48
  So
• 38:48
  When they reached out to me it's funny when
• 38:53
  When whitney and ryan and derrick reached out to me in the summer of 2024 about the independent media alliance. I was like
• 39:02
  I I I messaged ryan immediately. I'm like dude. I need to talk to you like I'm in the process of
• 39:09
  I mean I was in the process of buying activists post but it hadn't been
• 39:13
  Finalized I mean it hadn't it was final on my end. I mean I I knew it was gonna happen
• 39:17
  But but I needed the tail end of 2024
• 39:21
  My mom was sick and I just needed time to rebuild everything
• 39:25
  So there was like a six month window where I knew it was happening
• 39:28
  But I couldn't really talk about it and I told those guys
• 39:32
  Activist post can be you know because whitney said in in the message
• 39:36
  Um, it'd be great if we had a one central
• 39:40
  News site that we could post all of our stuff, you know, like a zero hedge or something like that
• 39:44
  And I was like, uh, we've got one. Hello. And so like I I messaged ryan's like ryan
• 39:49
  This is what I'm doing. I've got you know, we're gonna build out activist post
• 39:52
  It'll have a component for the independent media alliance. He's like, oh
• 39:56
  Great perfect. That's that's it. But but again, it's not the only place
• 39:59
  And I don't want it to be necessarily the only place. I think it works for people to have
• 40:05
  multiple, you know, I I think there should be
• 40:08
  Maybe a central hub of independent media alliance
• 40:11
  Page or something where where everybody can contribute content and maybe it is sub-stack
• 40:16
  Maybe that's the framework is set up there
• 40:19
  Maybe not though because you never know when once they turn on the
• 40:23
  Well, did you say it's an andreason horowitz backed project? Because if that's the case, they're gonna see whitney's man
• 40:28
  And that'll they'll drop a nuclear bomb on that thing in about two seconds
• 40:32
  Andreason horowitz y-combinator
• 40:35
  Are the largest funders of sub-stack. They just got a second round
• 40:39
  They're now a unicorn worth a billion dollars of evaluation and they haven't turned on ads yet
• 40:45
  And at some point that's coming
• 40:47
  Maybe not in the feed. They're gonna allow publishers
• 40:51
  similar to how rumble does to align with
• 40:55
  advertisers that
• 40:56
  Juice sub-stack in or they'll give you spaces in your newsletter to drop banners
• 41:02
  That can go even to third parties and maybe they'll get a piece of that
• 41:06
  It'll be interesting to see where they go, but I'll tell you I've been so impressed with what they've done as a company
• 41:13
  Forget who they're backed by because I don't like who they're backed by
• 41:16
  And I don't like some of the people that literally run at the top
• 41:19
  But the platform they've developed and the way they've done it systematically step by step
• 41:25
  I've been there five years. I mean I watched when they just had a shitty little wordpress
• 41:30
  editor type of thing, you know
• 41:33
  And where you know word perfect or word processor and it's it's amazing to where it's grown right now because now you've got
• 41:42
  major networks major
• 41:44
  Publications are moving to host their entire thing on sub-stack
• 41:49
  you've got
• 41:51
  valuations of
• 41:52
  Nine figures for a sub-stack publication
• 41:57
  Okay, like the free press which got a hundred and fifty million dollars or zatio or this is the bulwark
• 42:05
  That's another one that some of these big outlets are now starting to build out with
• 42:10
  a staff
• 42:12
  using that as their hub and
• 42:14
  To their credit sub-stack decided to cater to that level
• 42:19
  Two or three years ago and dedicated to an enterprise level space to how do we serve that?
• 42:24
  level of clientele rather than the single-off publisher
• 42:28
  The single-off publisher is really upset about that
• 42:32
  Uh as being one of them raising my hand. I begged them not to lean into this, but I understand they had to continue to grow their model
• 42:40
  I do like the original sub-stack model where it was kind of a
• 42:45
  A free world, you know the original youtube where you were not necessarily fighting
• 42:51
  multi-megabillion-dollar corporations for
• 42:54
  Space in the feed
• 42:56
  Like you are now
• 42:58
  Yeah, and I've definitely seen that there's been a big flood and then of course there's been the influx of
• 43:04
  corporate media people going
• 43:06
  Independent quote-unquote. I put heavy quotes in hands
• 43:11
  um, we've seen a lot of this
• 43:13
  And it unfortunately, I called this two years ago it watered down the word independent. What does independent even mean anymore?
• 43:21
  Because if Tucker Carlson is independent
• 43:24
  and
• 43:25
  Anna Casparian is now independent
• 43:28
  And don lemon is independent
• 43:31
  And van jones is independent and Hugh Hewitt is
• 43:36
  All right, what what are we doing here?
• 43:40
  like
• 43:41
  They what they did was they co-opted the name because they realized after
• 43:45
  COVID
• 43:46
  That corporate media's reputation was garbage and that people trusted independent media. Well, we're going to send our personalities to be
• 43:54
  independent
• 43:55
  Now what do you see cnn podcasting it up for their literal hosts that make it look like they're sitting in their office
• 44:03
  Not in a studio because that has more authenticity with their audience. They blew it so
• 44:08
  so badly
• 44:12
  Everybody saw through that lie and then it just started unraveling
• 44:16
  You know and and it it happened to me too
• 44:20
  I mean, I was already starting to see through the lie
• 44:22
  But I was still bought into the TYT model the justice democrats when we could take it over
• 44:30
  Holy crap man. Did they sell a bill of goods and they're trying to do it right now in 2026 again
• 44:36
  They're doing it right now. I can't believe they're doing it and people are buying into it
• 44:41
  And they're using the independent media apparatus that knows better
• 44:47
  They know better
• 44:49
  This this has been this has been something that um that david I had a good term for it the the mainstream alternative media
• 44:58
  Right that that that group that's uh, you know
• 45:04
  He's got his tie undone, right? Like you said, he's just he's just kind of relaxing. It's I'm not I'm not
• 45:10
  Anderson cooper ac 360. I'm just Anderson your buddy. We're just sitting here having a beer
• 45:15
  You know, we're just talking about the way the world works. It's it's me your friend. Remember me from the cia
• 45:21
  Um and then there's that other subsection
• 45:24
  I mentioned this during my presentation at an archipelago where I talk I called it the cia podcast
• 45:29
  Network, you know where it's like the sean ryan's of the world dude
• 45:32
  If you come out of nowhere and you're flying people in to your podcast studio
• 45:37
  You work for intelligence like or in I mean unless you can prove to me that you're independently wealthy
• 45:43
  From some other method this idea that you've like I've left the cia and now I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna give you the goods
• 45:50
  Okay, man, right on I'm sure a segment a large segment believes that and and you can tell because
• 45:59
  It's it's really sort of heavily pushed by
• 46:03
  YouTube
• 46:04
  Into your I mean I've never I've never asked to follow lex freedman or sean ryan or any of these people
• 46:11
  But youtube decided that you know what you need today
• 46:13
  You need the most boring person in the world to talk for five fucking hours about
• 46:18
  Quantum physics and everything it's like, you know, no, I don't but why are you suggesting this to me over and over and over and over again?
• 46:27
  So I feel like some of it some of it feels kind of obvious but
• 46:33
  But again, like a lot of people are going to make a mistake
• 46:36
  In the in the future because they're gonna they're gonna trust one of these guys thinking that he's like
• 46:43
  an outsider
• 46:45
  but it's gonna be like
• 46:49
  Outsider incorporated right like on a soundstage somewhere, you know, it's the call call our daddy
• 46:55
  Interview where we're gonna build a hundred thousand dollar replica of the set, you know, and you could just go wait
• 47:01
  This is supposed to be a podcast
• 47:04
  We're like authenticity is here. Nothing about this feels authentic the mainstream
• 47:09
  Alternative media nothing about that feels organic. Their growth is artificial
• 47:14
  Their elevation is completely unnatural
• 47:17
  The the people that they're talking to
• 47:20
  Are all ex government agents the whole thing feels fake
• 47:23
  So like I don't know. Maybe I'm just uh, maybe in in this regard
• 47:29
  I don't know if I'd describe it as blackpilled or maybe I just have the they live glasses on but to me
• 47:36
  It's like it's so obvious
• 47:39
  That there's all this bullshit out there
• 47:41
  And I want to shake to half the people around me just say can't you see it like open your eyes
• 47:47
  Can't you see it? It's right there. It's happening right in front of your face. It's so obvious
• 47:51
  Can't you see it?
• 47:52
  And you know what I keep finding out man is that the people I do that to they can't see it
• 47:59
  So they don't want to see it
• 48:01
  They don't want to see it. Stop showing it to me, man
• 48:04
  Stop showing it to me because I'm enjoying my my time here not knowing about it
• 48:10
  You know what it's
• 48:11
  Speaking of and what do I do uh other than news
• 48:16
  I produce and have been hosting a
• 48:18
  podcast with a musician by the name of jesse jett
• 48:22
  An activist a forklift driver like a blue collar dude who asked me to be the host because
• 48:29
  I invited him we invited him into the network and
• 48:32
  I had never hosted a music show before I I liked his stuff
• 48:36
  I mean his his lyrics kind of resonated with me and I would once in a while reference them back to him
• 48:42
  And he's like dude, we'll break down the songs and you'll ask some questions and host and I'll play some stuff and
• 48:50
  Here we are four years and three years later. We're still doing the show
• 48:54
  And I love it. It's called American tradition with jesse jett
• 48:58
  and
• 48:59
  He does he writes spoken word and he wrote a song called black called red pilled
• 49:03
  I think I liked it better being blind when I couldn't read between the lines
• 49:08
  And I couldn't see the cracks in the structure that lay there before me the whole time
• 49:12
  All right, I think I liked it better back when I suspended disbelief and swallowed pride
• 49:19
  And thought I knew the difference from the red from the blue
• 49:22
  But they both bleed us so dry
• 49:24
  And I'm like, oh my god. I love this guy. I love this guy. That's my aunt. Holy shit
• 49:30
  and
• 49:31
  We've been friends for years and he's flown to my house and played a gig in new york city and
• 49:36
  Spent time with my kids. They call them uncle jesse
• 49:40
  Amazing and that all happened from independent media that all happened from this
• 49:45
  That says that you can't translate this to in real life
• 49:48
  You guys have proven that that's just completely untrue
• 49:53
  Third eye carnival and archipelago
• 49:58
  uh derrick's uh
• 50:00
  Conferences you bring people together
• 50:04
  That are like-minded that would never ordinarily know each other
• 50:08
  And do some incredible things
• 50:10
  yeah, and
• 50:12
  That's the kind of thing I want to be around and replicate
• 50:15
  and amplify
• 50:18
  Steve has a third eye carnival
• 50:21
  Um
• 50:22
  Happen in what later this year do we know when in september he just announced dates for in in tennessee
• 50:28
  Yes, september in tennessee. I think people should get to that if they can make it to that they should get there
• 50:34
  I I went to the one in tennessee
• 50:36
  Last year it was so much fun. I mean it was raining like crazy, which which was uh
• 50:42
  Kind of made it, you know its own little
• 50:45
  You know we're all kind of by
• 50:47
  Kind of bonded over
• 50:48
  People doing stand-up comedy in a barn while there's a tornado going on sam trippley and uh leonarda johnny there
• 50:56
  Uh making fun of everybody in the place, you know, there's part of that. It's like you can't
• 51:02
  I don't know, you know, I don't know what it cost people to get out there
• 51:05
  You know the headache the money the the time effort all that to do that
• 51:11
  But it's hard to quantify that that experience, you know the the the couple days there
• 51:17
  I I talked to everybody, you know, I talked just about everybody who was there
• 51:21
  And that that when you're with like-minded people and you don't feel alone for a little while and you and you're
• 51:28
  You're talking about things that are important to you and you don't have to censor your conversations and you can come in
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  You know at black belt level conspiracy talk and you don't have to say well first, you know
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  There's this there's this group called the cia, you know, like you can you can have
• 51:44
  You can skip all the nonsense and get right to the the good stuff with with that batch of people
• 51:50
  So I think that if you're and I advocate this for an archipelago though
• 51:54
  I I recognize it's it's more difficult to get to it because you're talking about
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  Getting on an airplane and going to Mexico and in all of that but
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  but for those who can drive to these events and and we've done them in
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  in Pueblo a couple years and in in Pueblo, Colorado and
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  And the one in Nashville and and I've done, you know, I I met
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  Uh
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  You know, I met Ryan Christian there and seven C's and
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  Even Kurt Metzger joined us on the stage it ran Scott
• 52:30
  Yeah, Scott Armstrong that that was the panel was Scott Armstrong
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  me
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  Sam Tripoli
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  Uh
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  Seven C's
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  And Kurt Metzger and Steve poikin in with teas running around filming the thing
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  And and that was an outstanding panel and and and I don't think that it and it should have gone had it not been
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  For like technical difficulties. It would have gone out as a as a live stream
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  But the people that were who were there watching that were just like, oh my god
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  Because Kurt wasn't nobody knew Kurt was coming they he was in town because they were doing a kill Tony
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  down in downtown Nashville the same night and so
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  uh
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  John Klesik went and got him
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  And and picked him up and drove him up to the event
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  And we're we're all on the panel
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  And and the audience is in front of us and and there's the back of the barn
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  And I can see the door back of the bar barn doors are open and I can see
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  John walking with
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  What I thought it looked like he'd captured a bigfoot or something
• 53:36
  You know what I mean like the biggest human being I've seen in quite some time was with him and I'm looking and I'm going
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  And and I had had Steve had given me part of a
• 53:45
  Mushroom chocolate bar about 40 minutes earlier. So I did have to calculate that it was possible. It was me
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  But it wasn't me. It was it was
• 53:54
  Metzger coming and he's gigantic. I don't know if if you guys know he's an immense human being and and
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  They were walking as soon as I could see him walking and I just started laughing
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  I was like, oh my god, this is gonna be great
• 54:05
  So he they walked him right up onto the stage and everyone was like, oh shit
• 54:08
  This is gonna be and then it took a turn after that. So
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  So, yeah, you got to go to these events. You never know who's gonna show up. You never know who you're gonna meet
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  I met
• 54:18
  I'll tell you know what and since we're sort of on the topic. I'll I'll tie it into
• 54:23
  My live ad read early
• 54:26
  Christian Yordnev live longer formula
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  I'm I'm at the event in Nashville
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  In this lady came up to me and she goes, oh my god, you need to meet my husband
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  I'm gonna grab him right now and she brought him over
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  And he said, hey, I I like, you know, I listened to your show
• 54:42
  I signed up for christian's program
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  And I he saved my life and I was like, oh really and and they're like, no, I don't I don't think you understand
• 54:49
  Like they'd both got
• 54:51
  Like weepy they both got real serious very fast and I was like, oh hang on like maybe
• 54:57
  I thought they were kind of kidding and he's like, no listen. I I'm here walking
• 55:01
  You had a cane, but he's like, I'm here walk. I'm able to walk because
• 55:07
  I talked to christian and we you know, I signed up he ran tests on me
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  And one of the things he said as soon as he looked at, you know, all the the documentation he's like, hey, uh
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  Do you like
• 55:21
  Eat cashews by any chance. He's like, my god, I love cat. I have an entire I have a big
• 55:26
  Costco
• 55:27
  Bucket of cashews under my desk and he's like, yeah, stop eating those. You're
• 55:32
  deathly allergic to them
• 55:33
  And and you know, it was one of those things you go. Oh, that's such a small thing
• 55:37
  Yeah, it's not a small thing when you think you're gonna die and you can't figure out what it is
• 55:41
  And it turns out that the one thing that you love is the one thing that's killing you
• 55:44
  And if you'd given that guy a hundred guesses, he'd never
• 55:47
  Guessed what it was and it was the fucking cashews, right? And so stuff like that
• 55:52
  Like i'm telling you they were they were like
• 55:55
  So emotional about this and I was like, this is like
• 55:59
  Okay, this is now real to me like christian's my certified health practitioner, but i'm in good shape
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  You know, i'm not i'm not worried about like
• 56:09
  Death, you know, but they were
• 56:12
  And it fixed him
• 56:15
  And he was like, I can walk out and get the mail like there was a time where I couldn't walk out of my house
• 56:19
  I couldn't even walk to the mailbox and get it and now I can and now and we're making tremendous progress
• 56:25
  I was like, oh my god, like thank I like thank you for finding me and telling me this
• 56:29
  I know it's turned into a bit of an infomercial for christian
• 56:32
  But I love the guy man. He's he's my guy trust him with my life
• 56:36
  You know and these people are starting to to to meet him and hear about that
• 56:41
  And and so for me like the live events
• 56:45
  That's where I get confirmation
• 56:46
  That this stuff is actually real and actually happening because I meet human beings that are like
• 56:52
  I've been doing it and it's working for me or I did that and it worked or I did this and you know
• 56:57
  I've had had a lot of that but I think that
• 57:00
  For if you can if you if it if you can schedule it and find time in your life to do it
• 57:06
  You find these events like maybe pork fest if you're in the new hampshire area
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  Or music and sky if you're in california you can get out there to mike winners events or or
• 57:17
  Alex zek has confluence in texas. You can do that
• 57:21
  Derek bros has has got the the you know the greater reset
• 57:26
  In moralia in in narco polko in now in porto viarta
• 57:31
  So there's there's places, you know, if you're in europe, uh, lever polko is happening in syria
• 57:36
  I think in either september or october
• 57:39
  So, yeah, there's events. There's there's people getting together doing amazing things and if you get the chance you should do it
• 57:47
  Even just on a one-to-one basis with people that you connect within your community that you can get in touch with because
• 57:53
  Getting everybody together is a lot of a challenge and getting yourself to these events at a certain time is one thing but just
• 58:00
  Physically getting together to have conversation and not just doing it with a keyboard is really important
• 58:08
  Like we're doing right here
• 58:09
  I I also find that again just the one-to-one
• 58:14
  Having a conversation and taking it in a bunch of different directions
• 58:19
  Opens you up to learning so much more about
• 58:21
  the person and learning from that person as well that it's so much harder to translate online and
• 58:30
  I do spend a lot of my time online and and
• 58:34
  I have to get out there to connect with people to find out what's really happening out there
• 58:39
  But also to stay in touch with with humanity to
• 58:42
  To make sure that I you know the the touch grass quote quote unquote thing because
• 58:47
  You do spend a lot of time, you know when you're when you're aggregating and covering news
• 58:51
  It can be the good thing is is now we've got the tools. We can do this anywhere
• 58:56
  Uh, we've got laptops
• 58:57
  We've got phones and a lot of these tools can be translated to work in different locations
• 59:03
  You stop you do a couple things you're in a hotel room at the end of the night
• 59:07
  You throw a couple things up you can schedule things out
• 59:11
  And we can figure out a way to balance and budget our day
• 59:15
  Um, it's it's challenge to to make it all fit
• 59:18
  and and to balance that
• 59:22
  Seeing that and then jumping back into reality and acting like we didn't just see what we just saw
• 59:27
  Because nobody else saw it around us and we don't want to carry that with us
• 59:31
  um
• 59:33
  It's it's compartmentalization. I think is the the word of
• 59:38
  The the conversation about how do we
• 59:42
  How do we absorb all of this and still manage to
• 59:47
  maintain a professional face and maintain strength for
• 59:50
  running of leading a family and being a member of a community and
• 59:55
  Then also wanting to go out and share what we're learning
• 59:59
  And having no expectation in return
• 1:00:02
  Because we know that if you do that in
• 1:00:04
  Arma and the world the way the world works
• 1:00:07
  It comes back to you in spades and I've always felt that way and
• 1:00:11
  That's that's how I do this
• 1:00:14
  We also have the the benefit of of this news that we work around putting life and perspective for us as well
• 1:00:21
  You know, I mean it's hard to complain about your shitty day when you're reading about what's going on in Gaza
• 1:00:26
  You know it it all it helps to check you and to to to to remind you okay, you know
• 1:00:33
  this there's
• 1:00:34
  My perspective on things is is based on what I see with my eyes
• 1:00:39
  But other people see different things and depending on where you are geographically you may feel a certain way and this information that we're
• 1:00:46
  public you know republishing
• 1:00:48
  Is is is very important and and I think the information that people
• 1:00:53
  Gain from it is extremely valuable
• 1:00:56
  But we can't put a warning label on it and say be careful
• 1:01:01
  If you spend too much time around it, it'll do something to you
• 1:01:05
  Because that's the reality of the situation is that if you spend a lot of time around it
• 1:01:10
  It does do something to you. I'm wrapping up my fourth book right now and it is a
• 1:01:16
  dark
• 1:01:17
  Book it is a heavy-duty topic and
• 1:01:22
  I've had to take
• 1:01:24
  It's the first time I've ever done this with writing a book. I've had to take
• 1:01:29
  in six month breaks at a time
• 1:01:33
  Like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go back and touch it
• 1:01:36
  until next year because I've I've done too much work with it and um
• 1:01:43
  And and so I I'm I'm still
• 1:01:47
  I'm still looking I'm still
• 1:01:49
  It's trial and error with me. I'm trying to find the balance, you know of where I'm I'm informed without being inundated
• 1:01:56
  I'm I understand it without being overwhelmed by it and and and I'm I'm respectful of the
• 1:02:03
  Level of danger without being
• 1:02:05
  Fearful of it, but boy, I'll tell you this is it's hit and miss sometimes
• 1:02:10
  It is because
• 1:02:12
  You know, I've got people that say you can't change the world you can't change the system you can't and to
• 1:02:18
  Take that all on your shoulders
• 1:02:21
  It's it's a lot and no human should have to even
• 1:02:26
  do that and
• 1:02:28
  We are being flooded with information at a at a speed and a rate that no human has ever really
• 1:02:34
  Had to deal with
• 1:02:35
  Before and we're all trying to figure out how to deal with this information overload
• 1:02:41
  Shock and awe that's coming at you from every angle on every platform
• 1:02:46
  Personalized with your name and then again, you've got people that just want to disconnect that don't want anything to do with it
• 1:02:52
  And you have to figure out how to work with them too
• 1:02:55
  And we've got to figure out who exists in this and then there's the people that are clueless that don't even know that
• 1:03:00
  They don't want to know
• 1:03:02
  Right like the children out there that and when do you bring them into some of this and start to educate your kids
• 1:03:09
  about the horrors and just how hard this world is and
• 1:03:14
  I'm finding it's around nine ten years old. It is what we're learning
• 1:03:19
  Very quickly and they're figuring it out for themselves
• 1:03:22
  If if you don't figure it out if you don't help them figure it out
• 1:03:26
  So they need a guide and they need that compass
• 1:03:29
  Uh and and luckily, you know, thankfully I still have my father to be my guide in my compass
• 1:03:35
  And and I'm terribly
• 1:03:37
  incredibly grateful for that
• 1:03:39
  and uh
• 1:03:41
  It's it's it's hard, uh again
• 1:03:43
  You have to be your own person and have conviction in your own beliefs and believe that you're going to be successful in the end
• 1:03:52
  And listen to everybody support everybody around you and do the best you can
• 1:03:57
  And I see you doing that every week. I really do and
• 1:04:01
  Everybody I talk to who talks to me about charlie ronso. Dude. He's the most genuine guy. I've ever seen
• 1:04:07
  Like he's amazing. And so again, I I hate to gush about you on your own show, but
• 1:04:12
  Um, and I saw you doing commercials. This is what I do
• 1:04:15
  I amplify everybody everybody that I feel like is getting it right and people need to know
• 1:04:20
  This is this is the life I live is trying to be positive while also sharing the negative
• 1:04:26
  But hey, look at who's doing this and look at who's been doing this and dedicated to doing this to bring us the information
• 1:04:33
  In an unbiased way or in their way
• 1:04:36
  That we can absorb and say, okay from somebody who's standing there that perspective is invaluable
• 1:04:43
  Yeah
• 1:04:43
  And that's why I do it
• 1:04:45
  Well, look, we'll get things wrong from time to time
• 1:04:48
  Everyone does but it won't be because we're paid to get them wrong. I assure you that
• 1:04:53
  Nobody's nobody's going to do that. Hey, I know the way I see this stuff
• 1:04:58
  I'm a collaborator not a competitor. I want everybody to do well
• 1:05:02
  I want all this information that I I view it as as let's just grow the entire pie
• 1:05:08
  I'm not trying to steal your stuff for his stuff or that her stuff or any of that or you know
• 1:05:13
  Take some take take their audience or that you know people who get protective of that. No, look, we're all we
• 1:05:20
  We got to work together. Uh, this information is important. It's imperative that we get it out
• 1:05:24
  It's quite literally life-saving information those who who found the information prior to 2020 maybe made some decisions about medical
• 1:05:34
  Procedures that they might not have made had they not come to this information
• 1:05:37
  So I always remind myself that that yeah, you know, it's one thing if you're just kind of speculating about
• 1:05:43
  You know the deep state or Antarctica or whatever and it's fun to do
• 1:05:47
  But there's some real there were some there was some real information that was passed along in in the last
• 1:05:54
  Six years since COVID kicked out and and boy. I mean we
• 1:05:59
  We were there, uh, and I feel very good about my track record given that entire, uh, debacle
• 1:06:07
  And and I think that not everybody can say that right
• 1:06:12
  Well, I
• 1:06:13
  Would say that I tried to partly because I was on youtube
• 1:06:17
  They did not want you talking about it. Although we tongue-in-cheek kind of talked about it a little bit
• 1:06:22
  but uh, you know, I uh, I got
• 1:06:25
  pressured by family and
• 1:06:28
  Knowing what I knew and knowing that it could potentially be what it was
• 1:06:32
  made the decision either way because of
• 1:06:36
  Family, uh, it was I'll I'll be honest. It was it was a father's day event
• 1:06:40
  that I wanted to attend because
• 1:06:43
  This was an annual tradition and it turned out to be one of the last father's day events that we had of that tradition and
• 1:06:50
  It was it was an opportunity cost. It was you're not welcome unless you have this and it's it's a horrible thing that was done
• 1:06:58
  and
• 1:07:00
  You know, I then had to decide
• 1:07:02
  Did I want my crawfish lunch, you know, my big crawfish boil, which is what we do every year
• 1:07:09
  And and spend time with the family and do this thing that we've that we've been doing for 15 years
• 1:07:16
  And then it kind of fizzled out after that and it turned out that was like I think the second to last one
• 1:07:22
  Those bastards made a lot of people make have to make decisions like that
• 1:07:26
  I will never forgive those mother fuckers for that for what they did for making people
• 1:07:31
  Have to make impossible decisions about
• 1:07:35
  Being with their family or going to work or providing for their family and all that shit
• 1:07:39
  they made they forced people into that and uh, that's why there there will never be any sort of
• 1:07:47
  waiver in my mind some and those people talking about well, it's just you know
• 1:07:52
  Move on no fuck that I'm not moving on anywhere
• 1:07:55
  That we still have to deal with the people who did this to to people like you
• 1:08:00
  And to a lot of people who I know good people who didn't want to do it didn't want it
• 1:08:04
  Had to do it. Nothing's happening. I'm lucky. I'm I'm fortunate that so far I've been okay, but
• 1:08:12
  There have been those around me that have not been and I think that every single person
• 1:08:17
  Can say that sadly it sucks man. It sucks. Hey, let's wrap this up. Um
• 1:08:24
  You're doing
• 1:08:26
  Look, you're doing outstanding work and and more people need to know about it. But this is this this is this is how it all happens. Um
• 1:08:34
  We'll get people to bookmark it
• 1:08:36
  Get yourself in the habit of going there. Um, you know, I've got a variety of news sources
• 1:08:41
  I check every day. I mean, obviously with with what I do
• 1:08:44
  So for me, it's no big deal
• 1:08:46
  But I know that for some people out there you get kind of comfortable with your bookmarks and where you go every day for your news
• 1:08:51
  But I'm telling you allow yourself the flexibility of adding
• 1:08:56
  indynewsnow.com
• 1:08:57
  to your media diet
• 1:09:00
  Take a look over there every day. See what's going on over there
• 1:09:04
  What are you working on? What's uh, what's the tail end of 2026 is going to look like for you?
• 1:09:09
  Well, it's continuing the the podcast. I do now a podcast
• 1:09:13
  It used to be called how do we miss it now? It's called indy news now live because I figured
• 1:09:17
  I'm pulling the stories from the website anyway amplify the website and use the name in the name of the show
• 1:09:23
  So continuing that that's every Tuesday night at 10 o'clock
• 1:09:26
  Um, and then I do a host of shows again
• 1:09:29
  I talk about technology called indy's tech tips and nobody wants to work anymore poking fun at the job market
• 1:09:35
  And how how silly that is and how much how difficult it's been to find a job and talking about labor unions and how
• 1:09:43
  There and some of them aren't really in in it for the workers
• 1:09:47
  And then I do one-on-ones like like we're doing here
• 1:09:50
  I've done some with ryan christian and alan mccloud
• 1:09:54
  And some other smaller independent journalists and creators that I've had on that
• 1:09:59
  I have featured their work on my show and then we talk about some of their articles which I find, you know
• 1:10:04
  So i'm going to continue to do podcasts and host and
• 1:10:08
  Work on sub stack indymedia today.com. That's that's where I post a daily
• 1:10:14
  Um, that I host the the podcast there, you know the the live stream and then every day
• 1:10:19
  I make clips and I email the clips out. We've got 7500 subscribers over there already
• 1:10:25
  And it's growing like gangbusters
• 1:10:27
  And so every day an email a clip gets emailed out then we have notes over there in sub stack
• 1:10:32
  That's their little twitter thing. So i'm pretty active over there on on social media
• 1:10:36
  And um, i'm i'm just trying to continue to spread the word
• 1:10:41
  We we uh co-stream am wake up every day on indy news network on twitter
• 1:10:45
  And he doesn't have a blue check you can only stream with a blue check
• 1:10:48
  Which we kicked in the blue check, you know do it to our to our channel and we both win from that
• 1:10:55
  So we're going to continue to do that and spotlight the independent review which is actually on
• 1:11:00
  Every friday at 10 a.m. Eastern on am wake up. He's he decided to amplify a video aggregator
• 1:11:08
  I love this guy ryan graham. I don't know if you've had him on the podcast yet. He'd be a great guest
• 1:11:14
  but ryan
• 1:11:16
  absorbs all the independent
• 1:11:18
  podcasts every week and then curates them into about a three hour show
• 1:11:23
  And then debuts it every friday on am wake up. So it's working with all these people to build
• 1:11:28
  And then I also amplify go fund me's for a couple of members in in my audience
• 1:11:33
  At the end of every show every new show
• 1:11:36
  I put out two or three or four
• 1:11:39
  Here are some go fund me's of people that are close to us that are in the audience that have reached out and say
• 1:11:45
  Hey, I could I could use a little bit of help with this or i'm going through cancer
• 1:11:49
  We had a we were this one of the activist daughters is
• 1:11:54
  She's facing decades in prison for being a passenger in an rv that was pulled over where they found drugs
• 1:12:01
  She didn't know there was drugs in the rv
• 1:12:04
  And she needs money to be raised for so it's like telling people about these kinds of stories someone who was
• 1:12:10
  Targeted in an ice stop here has asylum
• 1:12:14
  Sitting in an ice detention facility for 10 months
• 1:12:17
  With pending appeal they're going to deport her but she's still appealing so she's here
• 1:12:23
  What and nobody's telling these stories they're just kind of disappearing and so this is what I try to do
• 1:12:30
  Especially when it's close and someone that's in my audience somebody that's reaching out saying this is happening to my family
• 1:12:37
  I can't ignore that and so we're we're going to amplify stuff like that and that's
• 1:12:41
  That's the stuff we're doing it at indy news network at indynewsnow.com and indy media today
• 1:12:48
  And man, I really appreciate the opportunity to be here the invite
• 1:12:52
  I love again all the stories you tell
• 1:12:55
  Um, I hope I was an entertaining guest for everybody here
• 1:12:59
  Uh, absolutely and and that they learned something because I always learned something when I listen to macroaggressions. I really
• 1:13:05
  I really do and I think that's important. Well, I appreciate you man. Yeah, thanks for everything that you do
• 1:13:10
  um
• 1:13:11
  We we did have a little bit of like a space time continuum breakdown where you and I were talking but
• 1:13:17
  At the same time we were talking indy review was playing a video of me with scott armstrong
• 1:13:22
  So it was kind of like you were hearing me in two different places at the same time
• 1:13:26
  Which I think is probably a bit weird, but we uh
• 1:13:31
  We made it through anyway. That's indy everybody go to indynewsnow.com and support his outstanding work
• 1:13:37
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• 1:13:42
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• 1:13:49
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