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Heavyweights w/ Julia Claire · Everyone's A Critic

• 0:18
  SPEAKER_03: Got it wrong.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Yanis Code, a 40 protected stuff.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_03: Eight years later is the error of its weight.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_03: I guess today for stand up comedian and the co-host of the Fly Guides podcast, Julia Clare.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having me.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: How are you today?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm great.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a cold, miserable January day here in quarantine New York City.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: So are you wait, is New York back in quarantining again, or is it like other people like it's not lockdown or anything, is it?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean it's just been kind of a perpetual like half quarantine, I think, for the last however many months.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it just never like the city did go into lockdown last spring, and I just kind of feel like it never ended.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: But didn't like uh the Greater London area just went into like a new phase of of lockdown, right?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, last night he came out and announced that the whole of the UK is going into lockdown today.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: So that was great.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: Another fun piece of I love that whatever's going on.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like we were essentially in a lockdown anyway, but now he's fine like so.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: He sent basically he told everyone to go back to school.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: So he sent all the kids back to school yesterday.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is this is of course Boris Johnson.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: Boris Johnson, uh wonderful Prime Minister.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: Love him.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh comrade Boris Johnson.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: Love him so much.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: Sent everyone back to school yesterday.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: So they all went a mixed and then said, oh no, actually, let's close all the schools.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: So now they've all gone a mixed and nobody can and so there hasn't been a two-week quarantine, so like they can't even have like grandparents looking after kids or anything like that.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: I love I love when he does that.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's you know, he's so incompetent makes him think that he makes me think that he he could be American, but he's not.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh You were just telling me off air that you uh you studied here though.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um when you were here?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: What year were you here?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: 2012, 2013.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: Who was Prime Minister then?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_03: Was it uh Gordon Brown?
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_03: Not that it would it like probably wasn't even like a thing.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it yeah, it was and we were having our um the 2012 election happened while I was there too.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um which was really bizarre because people I had no people were so invested.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I was like one of the only Americans I knew.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the pubs on campus stayed open all night because obviously the UK is five hours ahead of uh the east coast of the US, anyways.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the pubs on campus stayed open all night running the election results, and I went to the pub of my uh my college or whatever, um, my little uh building area, and it was absolutely packed in there.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone watching, and I was the only American there, and everyone was booing when the states turned red and cheering when they turned blue on the electoral map.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was honestly really fun, and I got we all just like got drunk and watched the election results, um, which I was like, I don't know, it was cool.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's uh it's become like a really big thing in the since Obama's first election, it seems to be like a really big thing here to like gather around and watch it.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like even more so than watching like the UK elections.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean I've been I have been trying to because a lot of my friends are still in the UK.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I try to keep tabs on what's going on with UK politics, but it's very it just seems like it's a lot more uh nebulous and hard to figure out.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to get someone on my own show to talk about uh to talk about what's going on with uh the Labour Party.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a whole other story.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I know.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been watching I've been watching a lot of uh and listening to a lot of of shows about it, a lot of like podcasts and uh news outlets about what's going on there, and it's very uh yeah, uh parliamentary politics are still kind of a a mystery to me in some ways.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um I still get confused by it and I've been here my whole life, so like it's very confusing.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: You need someone who's like studied politics in the UK to come on to it.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm trying to find because um um I do have connections to a few people who are like labor who are organizers for labor, um, but I don't think they want to like none of them have wanted to comment on the situation.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm trying to find uh trying to find someone else.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to find someone who's like more, I guess more just like scholarly or something.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: But it's uh it's a whole it's a whole thing.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, very very interesting and confusing.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Still somehow I think still less stupid than American politics, but only by a hair.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's less um.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's less like oh what's the term for it?
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's like very I don't know, American politics seems very like grandiose and over the top, and then UK politics is very like I don't know, it's so boring.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: UK politics.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so so US politics are definitely like they they're very theatrical.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um Theatrical is the term I was looking for, yeah.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I used to watch the British House of Commons on C-SPAN when I was a teenager.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was just because I was like such a virgin and I just had no like I was just interested in the most the most boring shit in the world.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I will say that I mean the British House of Commons is way more theatrical than anything we get up to.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you that.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: People are yelling at each other, uh calling each other like liars in so much as they can, like finding different because you're not allowed to call anyone a liar.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: I know that I know that's a rule.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so you have to say like a man of terminological inexactitude or something like that.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: And uh everyone's saying, like, here, here, or booing.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's way more theatrical.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think that American politics would really benefit if uh you could boo on the House floor.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: But you know that's that would be a nightmare right now.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_03: I I just cannot imagine what it would be.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: It would be actually, yeah.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I regret saying that immediately because I'm just thinking about all the ascendant like QAnon voting block that's coming into Congress.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: But anyways, that's all that's all neither here nor there.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: You came so you came on to uh talk about the movie Heavyweights.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um which is a 1995 Disney movie.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: I forgot it was a Disney movie, to be honest.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: I did too.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: And also I'm when you sent me the list of movies that are like under a certain percentage on Rotten Tomatoes, I could not believe that this movie was on there.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was shocked and upset.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: Even when I was went back and rewatched it, I was like, why is this so low?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's 29% and it's that's ridiculously low for this.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's I mean, yeah, considering the other movies that are in that ilk, um it doesn't make sense.
• 8:46
  unknown: Yeah.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: I have I have like a few minor criticisms of the movie, but honestly, it's a it's a crowd pleaser, and I've loved this movie since I was a kid.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of it has like I is burned in my brain.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've first of all, I love there are not enough summer camp movies.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: There should be more movies about summer camp.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: I love any movie about summer camp or any like store.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: And there aren't enough.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: I went to um summer camp when I was like a kid and a teen, and it was.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_03: How many years did you do at Summer Camp?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like how many years did I go?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Did you go to the same one the whole time?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um it was this camp called Camp Calumet in uh Ossipee, New Hampshire.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it was the absolute best place.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I still love it so much.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: I um I have thought sometimes that maybe I should like go on a road trip and go up there again and re revisit the places of my youth.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I went there probably six five or six years in a row.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like the thing that I looked forward to all year.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: I liter I did literally like X's on the calendar in my planner during the school year, being like, I can't wait to go back to camp.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like, um so did you ever uh do the counseling afterwards?
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: Where did you become a camp counselor?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, because so the you had to do like a counselor in training program.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: And you had to pay for that.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so I like I mean, it was hard enough for my parents to like even afford sending me there for like a week.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, those places are so expensive.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's so expensive.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and can't and my the camper I went was like on the more affordable side of like overnight camps in the greater New England area.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: I knew some girls growing up who went to this because I'm from Massachusetts, so I went uh I knew some girls who went to this really fancy overnight camp for like six weeks on Cape Cod and it was like thousands of dollars um every year.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: One year.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh not in Cape Cod, but I worked at one in Pennsylvania and it was just so expensive.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: It was literally, you know the one from um Do you know Wet Hot American Summer?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: You must like obviously you're right.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I worked at that camp.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: The real movie.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I love first of all, I love that movie.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's so such a good movie.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: And also on this list, and someone has done it before.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: That is unreal.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: I don't understand why people hate camp movies so much.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: I wet hot American Summer is a fucking classic.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: That is it is oh sorry, can I swear?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so sorry.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um wow, that really shocks me.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's that that one hurts that that is so low.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's such a funny movie.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: It also maybe has the hottest gay sex scene in between two straight actors I've ever seen in my life.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it makes Call Me by Your Name and Brokeback Mountain look like asexual.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like Bradley Cooper and Michael Ian Black.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's so hot.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I talk about this a lot, actually, with friends.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, about how that um that sex scene is queer canon.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: But it's very sensual, isn't it, compared to like a lot of so well, because there's so many of those movies where it's like two straight actors um and when they make out, it looks like they're fighting each other.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like it looks like they're just trying to kiss as hard as they can.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like no one does that, but like Brogac Mountain and Call Me by Your Name, beautiful films, absolutely gorgeous for sure.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: But um Timothy Chalamet gets it, but that's he's I he's I feel like he's queer adjacent.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's I feel like he's everyone of that age who grew up in New York is queer adjacent.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't like he did.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we uh we also had a few um English counselors at my camp too.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people would um and Australian.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: A few Yeah, we had a lot of Australian and English.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it was uh Yeah, and one of them just kept trying to teach us, I think his name was Billy, and he kept trying to teach us how to play cricket, and no one wanted to.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: No one no one was I felt bad for him.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: I felt bad for him because he was so and we you know, but he was like a god at the at the camp too.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone, yeah, it was so everyone thought he was so exotic.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: As tends to happen.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: As exotic, as exotic as a white person can be to a bunch of other white people.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: The funniest thing that happened was when I when I did study in America, um, I remember one guy like three months into me being there, he was like, Wait, are you English?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: It took him three months to realize that my accent wasn't an American accent.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: And that was New York.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: What a what a country.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: What a country.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good one.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um so, anyways, I'm yeah, I'm upset that that this movie is so so low on the tomato meter.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um because yeah, there's just so much there.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: So also it was co-written by Judd Apatel.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Judd Apatow!
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Which is so strange seeing his name on this, and like Paul Feig is in this and also Judd Judd Apatow makes a cameo in the movie.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: Does he?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: I missed him completely.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's there.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: And also, I mean, Ben Stiller gives an incredible performance.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's like pre-dodgeball.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is jacked.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's totally jacked, and he gets and also, so this movie was made in 1995, and he gets, you know, the whole like fitness craze type of personality, like obviously a hyperbolic version of it, but he gets it so right.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, I when I was re-watching this, I realized how many of the line like I knew a number of the lines that were coming.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: I just I d I had memorized so much of this dialogue.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't I haven't watched it in so many years.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember the last time you saw it?
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_03: Before.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, probably like 10 plus years at least 10 years ago.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe more, maybe like 15 years ago.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I do I will always remember uh the kid who plays Josh saying, This pleases me.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And Ben Stiller saying, Lunch has been cancelled today due to lack of hustle.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: He plays it so well, and I I think every kid is so good in this as well.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Every kid is all the kids are great.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um a lot of them from Mighty Ducks.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know, yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: The Mighty Ducks universe, Keenan Thompson, who young Keenan Thompson.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Keenan, obviously, like just a star.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Just threat like he was my childhood, like Keenan and I mean, yeah, yeah, Keenan and Kel, and also I I mean, I was like five when all that premiered, and I remember watching the premiere of it when I was a little kid.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was so excited for it because it's like it was basically like SNL for kids.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I always thought Keenan was so funny and like Amanda Bynes, and there were just so many great people who came out of all that.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: And Keenan still is like he's never stopped, he's just gone forever.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he there I was I actually I know a few of the writers uh for SNL, and one of them was saying to me that like if a sketch is bombing, they just write Keenan into it.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard that as well.
• 17:33
  unknown: Yeah.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard they write Keenan Reacts.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's so good.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um He's just and he makes yeah, he's so he's so great.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean, Jerry Stiller is another and and uh and what's her name?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Anne Mira, is that her name?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the why his wife, his wife, the two of them are incredible.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's very wholesome.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: Incredibly wholesome.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: There are some moments that are cheesy, for sure.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: There's a very cheesy moment at the end, which we'll get to later, but like it's a very cheesy moment.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's a cheesy line.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and there is I think that the entire like my one criticism of this movie is that the the entire like romantic storyline between the nurse and the counselor could be removed and the movie would still be.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it does not need to be there.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: It does not serve the story at all.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's cringe.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: That was where the line that I'm now comes from.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I know.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um But I love Yeah, I love the kids.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love I mean the thing that I love about Summer Camp movies is what I loved about Summer Camp, which is that it's like the lack of supervision and like what you kind of get up to when you're an unsupervised kid, even though you do have some supervision, but it's like you know, the scene where all the kids are pulling out their candy from the different hiding spots, and yeah, I just I just I love the the spirit of the movie.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um and also the the thing about the blob, like that big uh inflatable uh I thing that's on the lake.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Bouncy thing that's on the lake.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's so fun, and that's such a like I feel like every camp has something like that.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: They've got something like that, yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um what was your one?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: We had so because we had so many we were also on a lake, of course, and we had so many like different water sport things.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember exactly, but it was also like vaguely okay, so the camp that I went to, and I this it's like it was technically a Lutheran camp.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but it was pretty secular for it was like you definitely like like there were Jewish kids who went there.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: There were like it was the it was very much in the background of of things.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um wow, I'm thinking I'm realizing now that I can't remember the names of like any of the buildings there that I like knew by heart.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that makes me sad.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's been yeah, I know it's been like 16 years, and that is okay, and I should forgive myself.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um But yeah, like there there were like colloquial names for all of the different sites on on the campgrounds, and I can't remember any of them.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Did you also have a rival camp?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like that's another like tradition.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: We did.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: We did we did have a rival camp, but they were like a sports camp.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: They were like a real like hardcore sports camp.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so kind of like in this movie as well.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of like in this movie.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think it was called Camp Cody.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we didn't I mean, we didn't even like try.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: We were just like, we're a bunch of soft kids singing about God sometimes.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um We did like sing a lot of of God of of churchy stuff, but again, it was like it sounds it's just it was very I mean, it was pretty secular, I think.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: Mine was like very the one I worked at was um like 99% it was a Jewish summer camp, but it was like ninety nine per so like ninety five to ninety nine percent of the kids there were Jewish.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: And um so we had to like every Friday was like a big thing of like sitting around and like having a special dinner and everything and um I knew nothing about any of it so it was just like all a brand new experience to me and then it would just uh and then so my job there was to it was like half camp counsellor and half like videographer for them and so I was like I was filming like their day-to-day activities but I was also filming sketches with them and so I had to go and do all that all the time and then after the Friday night dinner we would sit down as a whole camp and I would sh we I would have to show like all the sketches they'd made throughout the week and it was just so much I remember working I was working like I wanna say like 18 hours a day six days a week.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and you're getting paid like 60 cents an hour.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah if that yeah no I yeah and I did the one year and I was like I'm done I'm not doing this again.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well I just thought that like I thought all my counselors were so cool and a lot of them were like one of them uh her name was Christine and she has she and I somehow still like all these years later she was one of my very early counselors so from when I was like 10 or 11 but she had like an eyebrow piercing and I just thought that she was the coolest person on God's green earth and I was like for years was like maybe I'll get an eyebrow piercing and then I just became too afraid to touch my face in any way with a hole uh but I still think it looks cool very much because of her.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: But like anything looks cool on like a hot woman.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: So but you wouldn't do it now then?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: No I mean I've thought of it but I'm so afraid of doing anything that has any sort of permanence to my body I don't have any tattoos and I always want to I want one so badly but I'm too afraid.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the same.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'd like one but I'd like to change my mind too much.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: I know and every idea for a tattoo that I've ever had like three years later I thought that's the stupidest thing that I've ever thought in my life and I can't believe I ever wanted to do that.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's like oh Julia you wanted a phrase in Latin when you don't you don't read Latin regularly?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: By Cicero you pretentious fuck that's exactly it I think like everything I've ever wanted has been so pretentious like three years down the line what was I ever thinking I'm so glad I didn't get that.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: For years I was like I'm gonna get a Cicero quote for sure in Latin in Latin yeah that'd be amazing I know that would be God I would have to just jump off a bridge I would not deserve to be on this earth if I got that you've either gonna go like all out and get like a sleeve or nothing.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know well everyone says don't get words everyone says that like words are the thing that you get sick of the fastest.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: But but that's all I've ever wanted.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a w I'm a words gal.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah but all that is neither here nor there just to say that like I thought that the camp that the counselors at my camp were like so cool and like just like untouchable.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just loved I loved them.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's so funny seeing it from like the other perspective as well like being the counsellor and being like so lost not knowing what I was doing there and like being it felt like very cultish to me as well.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because it was just like it was either like the other councillors were either people who had been there since they were six years old right and they turned into counsellors or they were people like coming from another country and were in the same position as me like what is this I have no perspective on what on what summer camp is like outside of movies.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so is it not it's not a thing in the UK?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: We have like day camps but like they're not that big.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know we they're not okay we don't really have overnight camps.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's my dream to bring overnight camp to the UK because I think that it like is a uniquely wonderful experience and when you're a camper yeah it's like the first taste of independence and freedom that a lot of people have like myself included and for me was like when I knew I was funny.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like who you are outside of the context of people who have known you your whole life which is like the people who I went to school with um it was really important.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like a very important thing for me and it was so fun and I it's the bet it was the best time.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I think we need more summer camp cinema and we do literature.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: And literature I can't even name any literature with summer camps idiot I I have to write the book or the screenplay.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah the book that will be turned into a a screenplay but um so let's talk about this movie in particular then so it's um it's essentially a movie where about a kid who gets sent to um a fat camp which is also like is that a big thing that happens is that is that a is like a fat camp a big thing or is it or is that like a thing of the 90s is that still a thing I don't know I've never been to one myself so I'm not sure but I know that they exist and I remember watching I think I there were like a few specials on MTV about um about different like weight loss camps and there was a an episode of True Life about it true life uh which was the seminal news program of MTV True Life I'm going to Fad Camp.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow um one I've watched many many times actually um they they are super expensive they are like prohibitive prohibitively expensive for sure.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and they're long they're like you have you know I was only going for like a week or two to my camp.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: These are like full summer programs.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I worked the full summer I worked like two months I think or something like that.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah no so I mean there are a lot of camps that have again my camp was kind of like a middle class middle class situation so it was like only one or two week stance for campers.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um but that's nice actually it is um yeah I mean I know that they're super expensive and it's like I think in the 90s and early aughts it was it was very much a a thing where like wealthier parents who like didn't know what to do with their kids just like sent them to Fat Camp.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really sure I can't I can't speak to that experience.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: There's like the few that I've heard of are like Fat Camp, Space Camp, and uh Math Camp I want to say Oh my God.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well Space Space Camp and Math Camp I've never I don't know I've never known anyone who's gone to either of those.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: No I I've only heard them through TV so you know like they're not probably not real.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well every all my all my friends who are are chosen people uh talk about going to uh Jewish camp right so I know that that's a big that's a big that's a really big thing in uh in the States um but other than that I also like I think the other kind of like specialized thing I've heard of is like kids going to theater camp.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah yeah um and also there's definitely like some super Christian camps too um the you know the scary ones and so yeah there's there's definitely a number of iterations of them it's another reason why I always love the parent trap the first half of the parent trap set set at a camp it's a pretty common thing like going to some sort of camp is pretty common I think um even if it's like a day camp or something.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah oh for sure for sure and I did go to different day camps and stuff like that too like I went to basketball camp and different like sports things and maybe that's what like math camp is then maybe that's like a day camp.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean math camp sounds like a prison I would I would not want to go to that yeah I think Space Camp might be quite fun.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah is that would that only be like in Texas because that's where NASA is?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea um but you know good for them that's probably another one that's pretty expensive.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that's gonna be the most expensive of all yeah but yeah so from the on like really the only thing I know about fat camps um is what I learned on True Life I'm going to fat camp.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it focused on three different people going to this one camp.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they're st and they're all from different parts of the country and I think it was called Camp Shane I want to say Camp Shame.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was like oh no I mean very close in in name so who knows but no I think it I've again I've watched this episode of true life so many times I'm almost positive it's called Camp Shame Shane not Shame Shame where did you find what do you wait not for a long time I imagine or you are you like seeking it out now?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no no no no I haven't watched it for I I just have like a pretty good recall of yeah okay Camp Shane I'm looking it up now it's yeah it's a weight loss camp.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh it still exists it still exists um it's in upstate New York and I know that they exist around the country for sure but I just remember that like the food was really bad and like that's the and like they do physical activity like all their whole day is planned with like different physical activities and they're doing like weigh-ins every week I think horrible and it sounds really at least make it fun for them like why do you have to make it torture?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know I mean it did seem like it was kind of a normal camp experience in in many other ways but and you know I I definitely can see the value in like being around a bunch of other kids who've gone through this gone through like a similar experience as as you have um much in the same way that theater camp functions uh for theater kids uh who are a uniquely that must be the most exhausting of all of them to be honest I absolutely and I shudder to think at what theater camp is like as an experience but especially for the counselors.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah more yeah more so for the counselors than just the most exhausting kids in America um yeah but basically like the beginning of of heavyweights um when the main character is like he's watching the informational video about this camp and it's like really friendly and nice I think that that is actually like I think that is kind of closer to a lot of what I've seen of like the experience of different people who go to weight loss camps.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is kind of like that um way more so than like the very extreme punit punitive version of the camp than that that Ben Stiller's character turns it into Ben Stiller who is I mean he just knocks it out of the park in this in my opinion.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah he's so good he is it's really hard I think people don't understand that like you have to be a good actor to do comedic acting like you it really does require a lot.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: It is not easy it's not it's like you know every you know how everyone is like obsessed with the the screaming scene in Marriage Story where Adam Driver is like yelling like every day I wake up and I wish you were dead like that's compared to comedic acting that's easy yeah it's like that's why comedic actors are so good at drama as well it's like I mean say what you will about Nightmare King Alec Baldwin but he is so good in 30 Rock he is like because he's an incredible actor.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah he's like so uniquely suited for that role and so funny because he is an amazing actor.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah apart from the fact that he's I'm sure just an absolute nightmare of a man but yeah I can't say I'd want to work with him but at the same time he's very good at working and also Ben Stiller Ben Stiller.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's so good and he is as I said he is ripped in this movie.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: He's one of the I think only men in comedy who can get away with being like ripped on a semi regular basis and it like doesn't affect that that he's fine every time I see him like that I'm always so shocked because I'm like oh yeah he is always in shape is that I forgot about that.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I remember once Tyra Banks was interviewing him I think on her show and she was like I know like Zoolander is a comedy but there is a reason why she was like there's a reason why you work as like you personally work as like a believable model because he does have like a great bone structure he's like a hot guy it's yeah he's very believable in everything in all of these roles that he plays that like plays these like over the top muscly egomaniacs you can believe it.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I love and I mean he's a short king and I just absolutely love him.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: But I think I think that actually helps with it as well.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: When he when he played that ego mania I think the height thing actually helps.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: It it does because it's like it's a very clear like Napoleon complex sort of situation.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah he's great and I he really plays a kind of he plays like an an overconfident ego maniacal idiot really well yes very very well and it's very funny it and he also it's like I don't know he's I don't know he's just very funny in it he's he's just like he's perfect for the role and I can't imagine anyone else in that role really well that's well that's the mark of like a great performance is that you really just can't imagine anyone else doing it.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: He here's the part that he's the part of the movie that always stuck with me throughout the years like from a child from as a child I remember him being in that um I think I watched it like a couple of times as a child then we re we watched it at the summer camp I remember we sat we all sat down and that was the movie that was the one movie we watched was was heavyweights that's very funny and then I hadn't seen it again until today but I remember loving it so I was like yeah I'm fully on board with watching this.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was a lot of like really intense spandex and like 90s exercises.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yes yeah which is very suited for for the movie like they know like you were saying they know exactly what um what to poke fun at.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah the cultural the cultural reference point is really strong and it works.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's not that's not a thing now necessarily but it was so big at the time so big.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: And also it's interesting to look back at this movie and kind of about look examine how our conversations about weight have changed so dramatically in 30 oh my god 30 25 years.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: 25 years sorry 1995 is 25 years right yeah 20 yeah 25 26 years 25 years.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: 25 26 now oh it's 2021 okay I don't know what day it is um but yeah I mean there is that was very much the uh the kind of dialogue around weight in the 90s and 2000s was like it is a problem to be fixed.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it was just a lot it just seemed like the conversation was a lot more like dehumanizing and punitive than how we think about that now.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I mean they um there's a there's a scene at the start with the dad where he's like gonna send him to the summer camp and he says to him um we've got to nip this in the bud now we have to like get rid of uh like you're you're you're gaining weight and we need to nip it in the bud essentially like we need to stop this from happening and then he says to the dad but you're you're big as well and like you're bigger than me yeah it's just and then when they weigh him he's like 140 pounds which is not like that dangerous it's not like an unhealthy amount for a like it's fine he'll grow he'll probably grow out of it if it's like if he's unhealthy he could grow out of it if he's not whatever it's like I mean a lot of kids go through like a chubby phase before they hit their growth spurt.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's totally normal.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah like I grew I'm very tall and I grew a lot right um over the span of like a few summers but definitely it was like your body is just like readjust it's yeah and it also doesn't mean you're unhealthy as well that's the other thing.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it sets up such I mean definitely okay in the Western world sure there are a lot of things about the way that we eat as a society that are unhealthy.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Totally no question about it.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it very easily like the way that it was talked about in the 80s 90s and 2000s and especially if you're a kid internalizing those messages that can set you up for like a lifetime of having a really shitty fucked up relationship with your body and with food.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely and like food at its core should be seen as like you know it shouldn't be seen as like punishment reward punishment reward like that's such a that binary is so damaging.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um I don't know they kind they kind of touch on it but they're still like there are a little there's there's kind of like issues with it as well at the same time they kinda they they show they still show that like all of this food that they or the kids want is unhealthy and all the the other stuff is healthy but disgusting.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's the only two options but at the same time they're kind of like they they kind of do like this thing of like oh it's at the end where they're like oh it's on us to do it for ourselves we have to make we have to like care about us our own bodies essentially which yeah which is not the worst message.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a delicate topic and I'm so like hesitant to even touch a lot of this because people get it so wrong and it's so easy to say something like unintentionally or intentionally inflammatory about and it you know I certainly like most of the members of my dad's side almost everyone on my dad's side of the family has weight issues um and so I've like grown up with a lot of a lot of that and I I you know I was a 90s kid so I like grew up just being very afraid of of getting fat quote unquote that was like the worst thing you could be as especially as a especially as a woman uh or a girl like to be like a fat girl was that's the other thing that's interesting yeah yeah yeah which they don't actually touch the good this is an all boys camp I should state as well like for anyone who hasn't seen it this isn't this this is all boys at this camp.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm and when you see the girls on the other the other camp that are all the girls they're all Skinny as well.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: And also the nurse, the love interest of the counselor is thin.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a weird thing too.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, also you see that like still to this day in, you know, in Hollywood, you can think of a lot of exact you can think of a lot of examples of actors who are quote unquote overweight or bigger.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: And just comparatively almost none for uh for female actresses.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that's That's still a thing that's like not It's still still very imbalanced.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's still like I don't know.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's something that we're having more difficult conversations about it.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: And we're I think people are thinking about it more complexly now.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like with, you know, Adele's weight loss, I think a lot of people maybe 15 years ago, it would have just been like, oh my god, incredible, look at how small she is.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because that was the whole thing in the 90s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, was just like being as small as possible.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think people are having more kind of complicated conversations about why someone feels the need to do that and the kind of like pressures that exist for women, women and men, but certainly more like more acutely for women.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um and especially someone as like incredibly talented as she is, who I don't know.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know that they're like one of my friends is very big in like the fat acceptance movement movement.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: And she and I have had like a lot of really kind of complex conversations.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: We don't agree on on everything, but I know that she she said that in within like you know, her peer group there, that like there are people who feel like you know, who feel almost like a sense of betrayal when someone like Adele or Rebel Wilson like lose like these very visible bigger women.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I saw that I saw that a lot when when we saw Adele.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: I did see a lot of that uh as feedback, like people s uh stating that um feeling let down by her.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: So that was that's a that it's strange.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's I mean it is a very it's uh damned if you do, damned if you don't.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's an impossible line to walk for yeah.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's an and it's the same thing with like getting older as a woman.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: You if you show any signs of aging, everyone points that out.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you do anything to fix that, yeah, then everyone is like, look at the work you've had done.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, look at what happened to Renee Zellwiger.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone just shit on Renee's Elwiger for years about how she looked, and then she had work done, everyone's like, you can't even recognize her.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: She had so much work done.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_03: To the point where she went back to how she looks.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just exhausting, and I get, and and also it's like, you know, we know now, of course, that like not uh, you know, obviously not all weight loss is healthy.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's not the two things are not mutually exclusive.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um so like my friend Andy has had a lot of um medical issues in the past year, and he at one point lost 50 pounds that he did not have to lose.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like so it was like, I mean, he's since gained it back and he's like doing much better, but he I mean, we've all experienced it in some in some and I think especially I think a movie about this from like a girl's perspective would be very different.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: Extremely, extremely different.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: Especially now.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: Back then it would have been interesting, but I think especially now it'd be very different.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: People really do feel very comfortable commenting on the bodies of women and girls um to their faces.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: From a ver from a very young age.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um God, I'm just like having trauma flashbacks or I mean we could talk about the movie if you want, like we can go into the Yeah, let's but yeah, no, that's just that's what I mean is that it's yeah, it's not nice.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like whatever we whatever way you look at it is not nice.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is interesting that all of the female characters, all the all of the women and girls in this movie are thin.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_03: Literally all of them that I can think.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_03: I can't think of anyone that's any woman in the movie that's overweight.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that also sends a particular message just in the same way as like having bigger actors but not bigger actresses does.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Where it's like, it's okay for men and boys to be bigger, but it is completely unacceptable for girls.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, definitely, definitely.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um Yeah, I don't know.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's so interesting that there's so few women in this movie in the first place as well.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: That's another thing.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's and I like in a to a certain degree, I I get it for the the point of the story, but uh they could have made it a mixed camp.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they really could have.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh even movies that are more recent than that, uh um one that I had never seen um that is way more recent, that movie uh what they What We Do in the Shadows.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh my god, I couldn't bel I watched that for the first time recently.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: I could not believe how few women were in there was like one woman.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: In the TV show, this one.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what?
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: There is there's like one woman in the whole movie.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't believe I couldn't believe it.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't even watching it for through like a Bechtel cat a Bechtel test lens.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it's really noticeable.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: Very strange.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, so that element of the I mean, there's a lot of things about this movie that are definitely like dated and of of its time, but that that is like the absence of like all the women look the same in this movie.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like all the women and girls, they all have the same sort of body type.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: They're all like tall skinny blonde women, I feel like.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: Which, like, you know, just an unrepresented group in in Hollywood.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Justice Justice for tall, skinny blonde women.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_03: There can be there can be one in each movie.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: But no other women.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh no.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_03: But let's let's talk about let's go through the movie then.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like um, so it's basically it opens with end of school and um everyone's throwing their papers everywhere.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the final day.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_03: And uh this guy, this boy, um what is his name?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_03: Jerry.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_03: He's like he's coming out of school and he's clearly like not one of the popular kids at all.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh he's regret he doesn't want to like leave, I don't think.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_03: He's like I don't think he's happy that school's ending.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's not I don't get that impression that he's happy, but like, because it's summer, but he's gonna like he says he goes back to his parents, he goes back to home, his house, and um his parents call him in, and uh this guy Roger Johnson is there to show them summer like this summer camp video because he's uh he's gonna introduce it to Hitler to them, and he's like, Oh no, I had plans that I was gonna chill over the summer.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, he doesn't say anything, he's just like, I'm gonna chill.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_03: And um they put in the video and it looks really fun, like you were saying, it looks like a really fun video of like uh there's go-karts, there's the the blob, um just like loads of stuff going on, and he's like really into it until suddenly it cuts to like um a bunch of fat kids and you realise it's a fat camp.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_03: And he gets and he's like, You're gonna send me into a fat camp, and he gets really upset about it.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's like no, I'm not going, I'm not going.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_03: Suddenly he's on the plane on his way there.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_03: And he meets this is where he meets Keenan.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um Keenan comes over and he's I don't know what Keenan's name is in this, I just refer to him as Keenan.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's Keenan.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um the plane, introduces himself, and he's like, Oh, I know you're all going to a fat you're I know you're going to fat camp because you're fat, which is just yeah.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, I'm going 'cause I'm fat too.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's then they like he introduces him to everyone, they're all really friendly and everything, and they got the the uh camp counsellor who's just like great.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_03: He's all he's been there for like 18 years.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's crazy?
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: I looked him up, and what's the actor's name?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um Tom McGowan.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's like a Broadway guy.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_03: I looked him up and he'd like come from come out of Yale, and like not long after that, was in this.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's so wild.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, it's um he it's just seems like a very strange thing that he's like this classically trained actor who ended up in this movie.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um very funny.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then after this, he was in the birdcage.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Just what a career.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um a very different kind of movie.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Very different movie.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um but Yeah, they're all really friendly, and it's like um there's one skinny counselor played by uh Paul Feague.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um he's the one that gets made fun of for being skinny, which was For being skinny, yeah.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's a nice little touch, but yeah.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um he embraces it.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_03: And um you find out that Pat, um, the camp counselor, is scared of Julia the new nurse, who Yes.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Julie the new nurse, sorry, and um so this is this sets up this whole thing of like these boys are like made to be afraid of women, which is just another thing of it's another trope that's kind of like, oh come on, not all of them are like that.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean boys of that age, I do I understand, like I had a brother, I know that like there is like a it's kind of a thing, but it's like at the same time, they're not all gonna be like it's not a fear.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a lot of things.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's it's like it's an aversion almost.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_03: Making Pat scared of her was strange.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because he's fully an adult.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_03: And he he says at one point, like, um he asks um Jerry if he's gonna like if he'd like dumped his girlfriend for the summer, broke up with his girlfriend, and he's like he's like, oh yeah, I do it every summer, I break up with my girlfriend.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: Just to make clear that he's like not dating anyone at all.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's clearly like never talking to women or anything.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's just it's very strange that to put that on him.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_03: Especially because he's like he doesn't I don't know, it kind of goes from that to him being fine with Julie.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's very it's the the gender dynamics of this movie are very strange.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um but they call they go to the camp bunk and they call um Jerry captain because he's got the little the wings from the plane.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_03: He's got he's wearing the badge, and um then he finds out that they've snuck in food, and it's just like this whole treasure trove of like loads of candy and snacks and just everything you can imagine.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's this whole thing of like Jerry is thinks he's like being sly for sneaking like one candy bar in, and then um yeah, and then there's the the the famous montage of of all the kids like pulling out just like someone pulls out like a salami.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: A giant salami, like a giant salami.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's another thing that's burned in my brain.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um that's one of the things you remember.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: Just the salami.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the salami.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty haunting.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um British kid as well for some reason, but like that's a thing as well, because I remember like um one of the kids in my bunk was a British kid as well, and he like kind of latched onto me because I was the British camp counsellor.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, because he was, you know, like it was his first time away from home and he was like eight years old.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_03: So he just thought but it's like it's very similar to that.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine, like I mean, yeah, the thing that I never that I can't I couldn't relate to about this kind of thing, it's like, or the parent trap or anything like that, is like the idea of getting on a plane to go to camp is something that is was so crazy to me.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, like, yeah, I think most of the people came up from like New York, so they drove up uh because it was only about three hours away, but like there were a handful of people, and most of the camp councillors had flown in, from what I remember.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: So it's yeah.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's very different, yeah.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's not not how it was for again.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: I went to a very very middle class camp and we were all in within driving distance.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: I just remember all of us landing at Newark Airport and like waiting.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_03: I had to wait eight hours at the airport for like get to get picked up because we were all getting picked up together, and I was like sitting there for so long in Newark Airport.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, what a nice and then we drove three hours, so like a plane ride to New Jersey and then and then eight hours there and then waiting for like a three-hour drive.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_03: It was yeah, I was exhausted.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, so you're how far were you?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_03: You would like just driving distance.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um my camp was like an hour and a half drive.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's nothing, yeah.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: I know, especially yeah.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I yeah, I'm from uh Southeastern Massachusetts and the camp is in like South Central New Hampshire.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: So really just wasn't that wasn't that far, but it felt far enough.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was still the fact that it was an hour and a half away still felt still felt like something, being like, I'm on my own.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, especially when you're a kid.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, it was it was the best.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: I love camp.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think you really do need to write something.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: I do, clearly.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's well, that's one of the reasons why if if wet hot American Summer were still, I would have picked that for sure.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because that was so like so many people wanted that, and it was picked very early on.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure of sh of course it was.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's the best.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean it's incorrect that its score is that low.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like heavyweights is one thing, it's like I I like I'm upset that it's its score is that low.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just straight up wrong that Wet Hot American Summer has that low of a score.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_03: Aaron Powell But I mean I'm surpr I'm kind of surprised that this took so long to get picked as well, because this is like what I think this is about 35 episodes in or something now, and we're like so I'm surprised people took that long to pick it.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's a like at least people sort of our age, I don't know I know everyone that loves it.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone loves it.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's again, it's a crowd pleaser.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like it's just kind of like an e even with all of the different kind of nuances that you and I have talked about it regarding to um regarding how like the concept of weight is dealt with in this movie.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a pretty like inoffensive movie for the most part.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: For the most part, yeah.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_03: And uh well this this this gets on to like Tony, uh the owners of the camp, they're gonna sell they have to like get rid of the camp because they've gone bankrupt, essentially.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_03: Right and they sell it, and they're played by Ben Stiller's parents, um Jerry and Anne, and they're like uh they sell the camp to do they sell him or do they have to give it away to him?
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, it's not entirely clear.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_03: No, they sell it, they sell it, they do it to him, yeah.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_03: To Tony Perkis, who's played by Ben Stiller, and he's this fitness guru, and he's like come in, he's got all these like tapes of all these like fitness uh video like all these fitness tapes and everything that he's gonna like go and help all these kids and supposedly, but it's still it's very cut it's very like scam fitness.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's that very I don't know, and it's just um he brings all his trainers in to take over and everything, and they like kick out the counsellors, they're gonna the counsellors have to go and like stay somewhere else on the camp.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um and this like very this this guy Lars takes over the kid the specific kid's bunk and he's like this very over-the-top like European guy.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um and they all wake up to like this weird announcement from Ben Stiller and he's like tells them to come and do this workout with them, and he's doing this like one of those like videos with the not videos, but he's doing one of those like workout routines, which is like the gimmicky um props that they used to use back then that aren't really a thing now, but it's like gliding along.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like he had these special like socks on that and a slippy board.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_03: That was that's another thing that was like those those like workout equipment pieces were so popular back then.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: Not specifically that, but like No, but like we all saw those like infomercials for these kind of really overly specialized, slightly useless pieces of equipment.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_03: I was I would go further than slightly useless.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was being I maybe I was being generous.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, I mean this is the the era of like the uh Suzanne Summers, like the Thigh Master, the Oh, the Thigh Master! I remember that the gazelle or something like that.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: There is like all these yeah, all these kind of bizarre pieces of a of workout equipment that you just know are like made to gather dust in a basement.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like the only one that I've seen last throughout the years out of that sort of style of thing is the um the one you hang on the door and you can do pull-ups from it.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, just like a regular pull-up bar.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you can attach it, but essentially you can just attach it to the door.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_03: That's the only one I've seen that's gimmicky but lasts.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, people just people don't take it down, that's what it is.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: People just leave it up.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: That is true to give the give the illusion that they use it.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_03: But um yeah, so they go and play they they have to go and play baseball against the MVP camp, which is like the rival camp.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_03: They're called MVP, and they get absolutely destroyed.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_03: They get like they get like I don't I don't know baseball, but they get like one first base thing.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what works.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just like one hit.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_03: They don't even get one hit, they they they have to run to first base at one point.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I yeah, maybe I glazed over this part.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: Did somebody get walked?
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_01: Or get hit with the ball?
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_03: One of them gets hit with the ball, so maybe that's what it is.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_03: I don't fully understand baseball, but yeah, because I uh cause that I only bring that up because he makes the other team makes the point of like, oh, you've ruined our perfect game.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_03: So they were having a perfect game before that.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um because of all this, like Tony takes as Tony like shows up in their room and like takes all their food.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like he discovers like this is where he discovers the big um salami.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_03: And uh there's an there's another great line is like um they're like Josh goes, uh it hold on, I know who took I know who uh candy this all is.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's candy belongs to Seymour Butts, and he Tony's like, Oh yeah, who's Seymour Butts?
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_03: Who's Seymour Butts?
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like Nobody's seen more buzzed than you.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it gets really angry at him, and like suddenly he's gone from the camp.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_03: You don't know where he's gone.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_03: Josh has just like disappeared.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, it's c it's it's crazy how many people in this movie were in the Mighty Ducks franchise.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: The kid who plays Josh, Keenan, the woman who plays Julie, the nurse is also in it.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's have you seen what's hap- I' not not to like derate it slightly, but like have you seen what's happened to the guy that plays Josh now?
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's very sad.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_03: He's just like he got addicted to drugs and like he's vis I don't know if he's okay now, but he was like at one point he just like very like unhealthy, look very skinny and I I had seen pictures of him really, really skinny.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that's I mean, that's another thing of clearly like not all weight loss is good.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, and the around the time that that probably happened was like again, and this is this all this is still just like very recent.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like the way that we used to think about weight.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is like I just remember when I was a teenager, like Lindsay Lohan and Nicole Ritchie both lost a crazy amount of weight and were like skeletal.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone was like, you look amazing.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_03: I remember even back to them being like, oh no, this is dangerous.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, they would show again, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't, because people, when Nicole Ritchie was on The Simple Life, everyone was like, oh, she's the fat one.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_01: She's the fat, funny one, even though she was she was like maybe a size six or eight US.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's yeah.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then and then, you know, people were praising her for losing weight, but then there were like a bunch of tabloids that would show pictures of her on the beach in a bikini, like with her bones exposed, being like Nicole Ritchie, dangerously thin.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, this is what you did.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_03: You've done this.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's sad, it's it's awful.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um I hope he yeah, I do hope he's okay now.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_03: I think he like Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um But uh Jerry writes home to his grandma because nobody's a nobody's like responding to him, his parents don't care, yeah, essentially.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um but and uh in the meantime, Tony is like showing off by having like ice on his stomach and then like slammed by a sledgehammer.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which is very is so ridiculously over the top.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_03: Just to show how strong he's like.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_03: And then they get sent he's decides that they're gonna have a dance with the girls' camp, which is where obviously like the girls are like on one side of the camp, uh one side of the the the dance floor, and what and the the boys are on the other side of the dance floor, and nobody's talking to each other, and so Tim decides he's gonna dance alone to like entice people to start dancing because he's like, if I start dancing and everyone sees how fun it is, then they'll join in with me.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so he starts it, and then everyone does join in, which is a nice scene.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_03: And as soon as that happens, Tony runs in and stops the dance.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's like, Right, everyone go home, this is over.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and uh Jerry gets really upset and like goes to the go-karts and sits in them because there's only one still there, and it's a really nice scene where Pat pushes him around on the on the go-kart track.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's just a really sweet scene.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_03: He's like a very fatherly to the to the kids, and especially to Jerry.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought that that I thought that that whole like I know that you had you had a different take on it, but I thought that a whole that whole like, did you jump your girlfriend?
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that that was kind of more of like a wink at like I know how hard it is to be a kid who looks like you.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_03: You're probably right, yeah.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um kind of like a uh like hello, I am a safe person sort of sort of thing.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_03: You're probably right.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's just like he's just uh relaxing him around in the environment because he's new to it and everything.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um which is very sweet.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_03: I I do like hit Pat is like a very nice character in this.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: I really like him in it.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's really he's a really good, it's a very sweet, kind of like paternal character for and he does he does it all very well.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I just think that they could have removed the entire subplot about him and Julie.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_03: She could still have been in it, just not a romantic interest.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_03: I know, it's like I don't know.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is that well, that's another thing.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, if there's gonna be a woman in the movie, we have to have her be a romantic interest of someone.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's very because she can't just have intrinsic value of her own.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean she does a lot in the movie as well.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I know like she doesn't need to do She could she could very easily exist as just like an important part of the movie who doesn't have a romantic relationship with anyone.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_03: And the the thing is, the thing about it as well is like those romantic scenes, I think there's maybe three of them in it, and they're very short.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they're really uncomfortable.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: I they detract from the movie.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like one one scene where he's scared of her, one scene where they're kind of flirting in the during the dance stuff, and then one scene at the end.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's just again, it doesn't need to be they could have cut that entire thing.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it would have been as good, if not better, of a movie.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe that's the maybe that's why it's so low on Rotten Tomatoes, is because everyone understands that it that that storyline is superfluous.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_03: That that ruins the whole movie.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_01: Ruins the whole movie.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um so that they they all so Josh comes back and he pretends he's like had a lobotomy or something, they they say.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like very he's acting very strange, and then he's like, oh no, I I just got sent home, and then my dad's a lawyer, so he got he got me like back because they said he was gonna sue uh Tony.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so they all decide they're gonna sneak into Tony's place while he's out, and they find all these letters being hidden, and yeah, uh all the foods there, I think, as well.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, all the letters that the kids had been writing home, Tony had been intercepting, and that's why it's um Jerry thought that his like parents didn't care.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because they just weren't getting any of his letters.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody's getting anything.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_03: And um Tony comes back while they're in there and they're all sneaking out, and then except for Nicholas, the British kid, who's like sitting there eating, and so uh Jerry goes to grab him, sends like starts pushing him through the window and he farts in his face, and then like they sneak out, and um Tony walks in, he's like smelling around, he's like he knows that something's going on, but they're all hiding behind the tree, so they can't see anything.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um they see one of the kids eating a burger, and this is where they've they realize they can pay someone to like drop stuff drop stuff off.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_03: I think he's from is the guy from like another camp, is that what it was?
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_03: Or is he like uh something like that.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_03: Or is he just one of the counsellors?
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't fully I don't know.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's just I wasn't clear on that either.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but basically they're paying for like they're trading money trading their like all these snacks for it with an outsider, but because of this, they go for a weigh-in date and they've all gained weight.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_03: And he is furious with them, so he like sends them on a 20-mile hike.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_03: And um and then while all this is happening, um I think doesn't uh Pat stand up to him at one point Yeah, he tries to.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_03: He tries to, yeah, because like I've got like at least you stood up to him.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I've got him I've got uh what's his name?
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_03: Jerry saying that to him.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah in my notes.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_03: They so that like they all they all plan to take him down while on this hike, and they decide that they're gonna so he starts going crazy and like swinging on a branch and everything and like going wild and he's like, Okay, now we're gonna meditate.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_03: And while they're doing all that, they make it while he's doing that, they make a plan, and all this stuff happens where like um he goes to do a sit-up without seeing and uh because they convinced him that it can't be done, and uh Tony moons him, uh not Tony, um Josh Josh moons him in the face and gets chased down the down the hill and leads him into this trap where he falls in a hole and and so they kidnap him and they tie him up and they bring all the kid the all the uh adults to go see and and uh the and Pat is gonna let him go, but then as he's gonna let him go, Tony insults him, and he's like, No, no, we're gonna keep you there.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_03: And they um they keep Tony locked up, they had this wild food party where they just like go crazy all the food overnight, they're having they're partying, they're enjoying themselves, and um they wake up the next morning and they're like passed out with all the food around their faces, and Pat's like, oh no, this is this is where we need to get healthy for ourselves, let's do it for ourselves.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um which is a good it's like kind of a good message, but it's not the right, not quite there, I feel like, as well.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's about as close as you were gonna get in 1995 to uh being right on in this area.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_03: So that so the parents show up, and when they for Parents' Day, and Pat plays them a video of Tony that he's got from the cameraman who's been going around who's owed money from Tony.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it's a it's a video of like all the worst moments of Tony treating the kids horribly, and while this is going on, Tony's escaped, and he like sits he sits on like the ledge of the window ledge like up on the roof watching them over, and he's like yeah, he starts yelling at them, and he's like um he's he says like oh you made the villain a bit over the top, and he as he does that, he does a flip down and lands, yeah, which is great.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's my might be my favorite moment, and uh and he lands and he's like ow because it's so high up.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's really funny, and he tells he and um he goes, Jerry's dad punches Tony, and then Tony like goes to do something, and he like falls and like lands and like slips, slides right into the into the wall.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_03: And so he's like they're like okay, that's over, and Tony's dad arrives to like go take over, and he's like played again by Ben Stiller, and which is again like another over-the-top, it's almost like a Jerry Stiller, it's almost yeah, it's almost Jerry Stiller-esque, but um, yeah, he's got his like makeup, he's got like the the old man makeup on and the wig and everything, and he's like um he's like I'll uh I'll give the the camp over to whoever has been here the longest.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_03: You can t you can take over for now.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_03: And he gives it so he gives it to Pat.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_03: Pat, yeah.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then they have one last Apache relay with the other camp council with the other camp, the MVP camp.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um and and uh there's a great line in it where they where the the British kid is just like they're they're so they're doing all these like little tasks, and they go to the the American kid at get versus the British kid at this like history lesson thing where they have to like name five vice presidents and everything, and the Americans struggling to name anything, and the kid the British kid comes in and names five, and he's like, You Americans have no sense of your own history.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Which is I think that's my favorite line in the whole movie.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I think that that's I love I love that.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that's so it's very good to have like a British person dunking on Americans for not knowing their own country.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_03: I looked him up and he like to see if he was really British and he's not been in anything else.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_03: So like there's no information on it.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, we'll never know.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing about him.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's very funny.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um but then they have like the go-kart thing, and and um Pat has fixed up the go-kart with like this special motor on the back.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um Which is just cheating.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that's just like I mean, yeah.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's a kid's movie, but it's a kid's movie, but it they're still right and wrong.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're still right and wrong Pat.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_03: Where you always like, that's cheating.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's cheating, Pat.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_03: How dare you, Pat.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_03: How do it fair you?
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because to be honest, if that hadn't been on there, they wouldn't have won.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and guess what?
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's nothing that the blogosphere is talking about.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: So we're we're doing it here first.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about how they never really won.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um This is this this is an expose about heavyweights.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_03: So um Jerry gets to ride in the go-kart for the first time properly, and um he races this other kid and he's losing, and right as he's about to lose, he like turns on the the the motor and he like goes flying through the air over the other go-kart and like knocks it out the way and like wins the race.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_03: He it's so dangerous.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's all I can think.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's so dangerous, because he lands he kind of lands on the other go go-kart and he wins the race, and um the other team are like, uh I can't remember what he says to him, but the other the other guy's like, Oh no, we won technically, or something like that.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um he's like, Oh, you want the trophy, and he like throw they throw it in the lake just to be done with it.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then he says the the other guy goes, like, Oh, you're crazy, and this is the worst line in the movie.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because he goes, Yeah, I'm crazy, crazy about my gal, and like kisses Julie.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's the It's the line in the movie that most makes me want to die.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's so cringe worthy.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_03: Ugh.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_03: Again, they could have told And he does like the classic like the Times Square like um VJ.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_03: Ugh.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, I wish I were dead.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like 30 seconds before the end of the movie as well.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's just so unnecessary.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is like because then he like I don't know.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_03: Let's just move past that.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let's move on.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I don't want to think about it anymore.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_03: The last thing that happens is that Jerry says to Pat, This has been the best summer of my life, which is really nice.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then it does the freeze.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_03: That is Oh go on, sorry.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, you go.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, and then it does the freeze frame to critters.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the best summer of his life so much of it was bad.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know that much about Jerry's life outside of it.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it doesn't look that great outside of it, to be honest.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't look that good.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe maybe he's being truthful, but what a bleak statement that that is the best summer of his life that included like regular physical torture and deprivation.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_03: You've had like maybe three good days there.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's all he needed.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe he's just a glass half glass half-full kind of guy.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_03: And maybe he knows the rest of the summer's gonna be great.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_03: Who knows?
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_03: Or maybe we just don't see between the time between uh uh Tony leaving and the Apache Relay.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe there's like a big chunk of time.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: We you know, this movie does so much with the cinematic experience, so we don't know.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_03: And at the same time, despite being a Judd Apatel movie, it's still only an hour and a half.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Which is I mean, well, that's how you can tell that he didn't direct it.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: He just was Co-writer.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Judd has never directed a movie that he didn't want to make at least three hours.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_03: Unnecessarily three hours.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's never directed a movie that wasn't at least 45 minutes too long.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_03: Surely he must be aware of this by now.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't understand.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't know.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's a biggest criticism he gets every time.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, I mean I just I the thing that I the one that I think about all the time is this is forty, which is just so long.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_03: So long.
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's like that's that joke where it's like this is 40 minutes too long.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's the joke about it.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Even I mean, even knocked up, which is great, is a little too long.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that's like the the least of them.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like being in terms of like too long.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I saw I saw um uh what's it called?
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_03: The Pete Davidson one recently.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_03: That was so long.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, King of Stat Lines.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_03: King of Stat Line, yeah.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_03: That was so long.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Did Judd direct that?
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's like two hours forty or something.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, my dude, why?
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I don't know.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's that's someone who needs that just shows that like I know that directors are kind of singularly praised and idolized in cinema, but it's like that shows you how important an editor is, and like that a director is nothing without their editor.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, um, you know, Scorsese's edit, it's it's not uh a lot of the like best editors for these like genius quote unquote male directors are women.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um who is Scorsese Scorsese's long time.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh she's incredible.
• 1:25:41
  SPEAKER_03: She's one of the best.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_01: She's one of the best.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: She's worked with him since the beginning.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Also, um Quentin Tarantino's editor, um, who passed away, um, was really amazing.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that his movies have been worse since her passing.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_03: I completely agree.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_01: The last one she worked on was Inglorious Bastards, which is the last good one, I think.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_01: The last good one.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, you can have a three-hour movie that doesn't feel like it's three hours for sure.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood feels like it's three.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's three hours.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_03: I did not like that movie.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's too long.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's I also like I love that era, and I think that he he did get a lot right, but I don't I didn't like.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is also a conversation for for another time, and I don't want to take two.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_03: This kind of brings us to the final segment, actually, which is um, do you have a movie that's um the reverse of this, which is widely loved and praised by critics that you do not like?
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that would be my choice exactly.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, it doesn't have to be that specifically, but it's just a segue into that.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I do think that I think that Margot Robbie was miscast as Sharon Tate and or underutilized as I think it's very unable to Sharon the Sharon Tate cat like maybe because Margot Robbie is a great actress.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um but she does almost nothing in the movie.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, movies that are like critically acclaimed, there are a lot of movies that have been like real big Oscar winners, like I'm thinking of Green Book right now.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, I no, I have it.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_01: I have the movie.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_03: Go for it.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Universally Beloved, I don't get it, I will never get it, is Moonstruck.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's bad.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_03: So many people love that movie.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: People are like, oh my God, perfect romantic comedy?
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Moonstruck.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I just thought of another one too.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_01: The apartment.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: The apartment is billed as a romantic movie.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_03: I love the apartment, but it's not a romantic movie.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it's but it's billed as a comedy.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's sad.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's so depress- I if you go into it as I did, because it's it's like on the AFI list of like best comedies, like the American Film Institute's list of best comedies of the century.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_01: You I saw it in um there's a theater here in New York, Metrograph, that plays um that like re-releases older films, uh runs screenings of older films.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_01: So my brother and I went to see it, and we were both like, oh, this is this is gonna be fun.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Jack Lemon, Shirley McLean.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we both came out of the movie theater being like, well, now I want to go cry and not see anyone for days.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's so sad, yeah.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's a really sad movie.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it's I mean, it's not that it's a bad movie, it's just like it's mis um misrepresented.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, misadvertised, misrepresented.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I think Moonstruck, I mean, Nicolas Cage is his performance in Moonstruck is something really out there.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um and maybe it's also because the first time I watched Moonstruck, um I had eaten an edible and it just became a horror movie to me.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Especially with Nicolas Cage.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like Yeah, it's like, where are you taking me?
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_01: To the bed.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: So scary.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the whole movie, you're like, is this guy can he can he read?
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_03: That's the thing about Nicolas Cage.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_03: You never know what you're gonna get with him.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Not that he not that he's never had a good performance.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, he can be very good, but he could also be very bad.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_01: He could be very good, but that I like Moonstruck is not a move like when but every time people are like, what are great romantic comedies?
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_01: People always say Moonstruck, and I don't understand.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_03: I literally saw someone saying it the other day.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't first of all, I don't think it's that funny.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love Cher.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: I live and die for Cher, but I I don't think I don't know.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's not my it's I it's it's definitely not a m there are so many other movies that I would prefer over that one in terms of romantic comedies.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also just really hard to make a good romantic comedy.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Very, very hard.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_03: Very hard.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's why there's well, there's I don't know.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_03: There's there's like there are good ones.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a few there's a f there are a few good ones like every ten years.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_01: In in a ten year, in like a decade.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like it hasn't been a good one in a long time that I can think of.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think train wreck was good.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_03: Train wreck was good.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't think it's gonna hold off over time though.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_01: So few of them do.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, there are parts of like when Harry met Sally that don't hold off over the five.
• 1:31:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_01: But that still might be the best one.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's still the best one.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's still like held up as the crown jewel of the the romantic comedy empire.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, but I I th I do think train wreck was maybe the last yeah.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_03: I would probably agree with that.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um Although I didn't I didn't see Crazy Rich Asians, people said that was good.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's uh it's good.
• 1:31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think it's as great as as like some of the things Yeah, my friend Um who I talked to about movies a lot, my friend Aziz, who's also um is one of your one of your countrymen, uh and he hated it.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a lot of Asians did.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm yeah I'm I'm Asian, but I'm I'm Indian, and but like so but I I'm in an improv group that's all Asian, and so I speak to a lot of them about it, and like I know a lot of them didn't like it.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, so is he, and he hated it.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um but he had more of like I think an anti-capitalist critique of it, which I can see too.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really want to watch I don't want to watch any movie, like I'm that's what made me uncomfortable with the movie.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a dirty socialist myself.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to watch any movie that has crazy rich in the title.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to, I don't know, I don't I don't want to watch like wealth porn.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's just kinda it's a fun movie, but it's not a great movie, I would say.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um I also, I mean, there are so many the discourse around movies, I'm because I'm on Twitter so much that I just find I find the discourse around certain movies to be really exhausting.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_03: I have to take take a step back sometimes because it's just too much.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Ladybird Discourse was really and that's a movie that that I loved.
• 1:32:52
  SPEAKER_01: I really loved it.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's a great movie.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_01: A wonderful movie, and I just yeah, it's too much.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I do think that the the criticisms of Greta Gerwig's movies can be leveled against those of her partner Noah Bombach tenfold.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And yet they are not.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_03: Just look up Marriage Story.
• 1:33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Which was like fine.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like Marriage Story was fine, but the best part of Marriage Story was uh Laura Dern.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_01: And Ray Leo, maybe and Ray Leota.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_01: I loved the two of them.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think I really think that they like, I think Laura Dern does she rings every drop out of that character that she has.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_01: She should have she because she won.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: She won, yeah.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's there's a reason she won.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and um oh man, yeah.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: What was oh yeah, remember the um the year that Lady Bird came out um was also the year that I Tanya came out, so it was Alice and Jenny versus um Oh Lori Metcalf.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_03: Lori Metcalf.
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was um they were in the same category and they both turned in like such great performances.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_01: But that goes to another thing that I think, which is that anger, like visceral anger, is easier to do, but it's also more highly praised.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that like the subtleties that Lori Madcalf put into her character in Lady Bird as Lady Bird's mother were like so heartbreaking for me.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_01: I also just like had a lot of resonance with that.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I also grew up like lower middle class with a a mom who is a nurse who literally had Lori Matcalf's haircut in that movie.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_03: So And it's kind of set around the same sort of time.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, I love that.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_01: But that is that is a movie that I think outside of the Twitter discourse, like that, I do think that Lady Bird is one of those movies that will like hold up and stand at the time.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_03: I I completely agree.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:35:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, also like there are certain movies that the discourse around them was so wrong, and now we've taken a second look at them.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like Jennifer's body is like that.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like now people look back on it and it's like a great movie.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great movie.
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny, it's funny as hell.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I overall, Megan Fox, we've just done an enormous dis disservice to her because she is a great actor, she's very funny, she's great comedic timing.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_01: She obviously is like, but she was just like, I mean Michael Bay just like kind of sealed he ruined her, he like sealed her fate.
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what's really interesting?
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I saw um someone doing a they played just the dialogue that she's that she's saying in Transform in Transformers.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_01: In like the original Transformers, and it's like pretty complex, kind of like um uh this this kind of like car specific.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_01: She's saying all this, all this very like mechanical dialogue.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then they show in the next frame, they show how it's written that scene is shot, and it's like I know the scene you're talking about.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's they're two completely different things.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just close-ups of like her tits and her legs, like her ass, and it's uh it's tough.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_03: So let's let's end there.
• 1:36:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um do you have um do you have anything you want to promote at the moment?
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_03: How can we find you online?
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, you can find me on Twitter, which is where I always am um talking about garbage every day.
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_01: We all are, so we all are.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and my Twitter handle is OJuliaTweets, OH Julia Tweets.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my podcast is a leftist feminist political comedy podcast with Kate Willett, who's another very funny comedian here in New York.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's called Reply Guys.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you can find us on Twitter at Reply GuyspodBud.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, or you can find us on like Apple Podcasts and stuff like that.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean, uh currently there is no comedy happening in at all.
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I'm promoting, is the stuff.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Have you done anything online?
• 1:37:45
  SPEAKER_03: We tried it.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've done like some Zoom shows and stuff like that.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's all terrible.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's the worst.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_01: But um yeah, but that's it.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very weird time.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_03: And at least you got the podcast still, which is great.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: We we keep somehow we keep soldiering on.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, this was so much fun.
• 1:38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's the end of the podcast.
• 1:38:12
  SPEAKER_03: If you enjoyed it, please leave us a review and rate us a liking so we can end up making more episodes.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I'll see you next week for more movies that critics got wrong.