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Speaker 1: Is the reform.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: Good evening.
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Speaker 4: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Andrew Bolt, who's recovering
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Speaker 4: well from surgery, and we'll be back hosting the show
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Speaker 4: as soon as he's able. I'm sure Andrew's watching tonight,
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Speaker 4: and Andrew were all wishing you a very speedy recovery
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Speaker 4: and looking forward to having you back on deck as
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Speaker 4: soon as you are well well. Coming up tonight, A
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Speaker 4: father who sexually abused his daughter serves time in a
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Speaker 4: Victorian women's prison because he identifies as a woman, and
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Speaker 4: the Victorian premier has nothing to say more on that soon.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi campaigns on behalf of Kirs Starmer in the UK.
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Speaker 4: Wait a second, isn't that the kind of foreign interference
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Speaker 4: we are continually being warned about? Graham Richardson and Michael
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Speaker 4: Kroger will weigh in on that one. Benjamin ett Yah,
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Speaker 4: who speaks to empty chairs diplomat stage a performative walkout
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Speaker 4: at the United Nations. I'll get Greg Sheridan's thoughts, and
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Speaker 4: the last my panel why our public broadcaster has just
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Speaker 4: published a lengthy piece entitled The Case Against Babies.
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Speaker 3: All of that shortly, but.
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Speaker 4: First, how to solve Victoria's crime crisis. Now, I thought,
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Speaker 4: asking gang members to donate their machetes to justinto Allen
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Speaker 4: by placing them in her specially provided bins was about
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Speaker 4: as silly as it could get. Well silly me, I
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Speaker 4: should have remembered. The dumbest idea in Victoria is always
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Speaker 4: the next one. Enter a round table of experts from
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Speaker 4: r MIT in May last year. One of their big
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Speaker 4: ideas was a brand new court system, not for everyone,
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Speaker 4: mind you, just for African youth. The report from this roundtable,
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Speaker 4: which has just been made public, said that this proposal
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Speaker 4: wasn't the preferred idea. Nevertheless, The Herald's Sun reported today
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Speaker 4: the African court model would be based on indigenous sentence
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Speaker 4: in court models like Victoria's Kuri courts, which are currently
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Speaker 4: only accessible to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people who
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Speaker 4: plead guilty to a criminal offense. In other words, we
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Speaker 4: already have a two tier justice system, so why not three.
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Speaker 4: The special courts, we're told, which would exist outside of
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Speaker 4: the mainstream system, would provide justice in a culturally appropriate forum,
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Speaker 4: delivered with guidance from members of the African community. Africa's
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Speaker 4: Chief executive doctor Burhan Ahmed told The Herald's son quote,
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Speaker 4: African kids need a justice process that speaks their language
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Speaker 4: and involves their community.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: Nothing helps these kids become functioning members of Australian society,
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Speaker 4: like telling them they don't really belong. Call me simple,
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Speaker 4: but I see a few problems with the suggestion from
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Speaker 4: the r MIT Center for Innative Justice. First, these African
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Speaker 4: kids live in Australia, so regardless of their ethnicity, they're
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Speaker 4: now Australian kids, not African kids. The sooner we stop
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Speaker 4: hyphenating identities, the sooner people might stop hyphenating their loyalties. Second,
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Speaker 4: there's already a justice system that speaks to African kids.
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Speaker 4: You'll find it in Johannesburg or Nairobian. There's a good
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Speaker 4: one in Addis Aberba. Quantas flights can be booked online. Third,
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Speaker 4: the whole point of a justice system is to bring
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Speaker 4: people together under one set of laws, where everyone is
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Speaker 4: treated equally and judged by their peers, not by a
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Speaker 4: committee of their community elders. The justice system isn't meant
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Speaker 4: to double as a family reunion.
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Speaker 3: And here's another thing.
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Speaker 4: You can't complain on Monday that you don't feel part
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Speaker 4: of the Australian community, and then on Tuesday demand a
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Speaker 4: separate courtroom because now you claim to be something other
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Speaker 4: than Australian. You've got to pick a lane. If this
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Speaker 4: is what the adults come up with, the kids are
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Speaker 4: in trouble. We're told this is all about restorative justice,
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Speaker 4: which sounds lovely until you realize that what's being restored
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Speaker 4: is not law in order but racial division. If you're Indigenous,
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Speaker 4: you get a special court. If you're African, you could
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Speaker 4: have gotten your own soon if this proposal succeeded. And
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Speaker 4: if you're just plain boring Anglo Australian, well congratulations, you
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Speaker 4: get the regular court with the regular punishments. Equality has
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Speaker 4: never looked so unequal. Here's a question no one wants
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Speaker 4: to ask, but anythinking person would ask it. If young
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Speaker 4: African offenders need a justice system that speaks their language
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Speaker 4: and understands their customs.
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Speaker 3: Why did they come to Australia.
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Speaker 4: And here's another question, how many court systems do we
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Speaker 4: plan to run before someone realizes that maybe, just maybe
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Speaker 4: the problem isn't the court room, but the behavior that
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Speaker 4: brings people into it. If we're to start having courtrooms
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Speaker 4: divided by raceful. What argument would there be to event
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Speaker 4: courtroom's being divided by I don't know religion.
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Speaker 3: At this rate, the only thing.
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Speaker 4: Truly universal in Victoria will be the confusion. Instead of
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Speaker 4: being one people under one flag with one law, will
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Speaker 4: be a federation of boutique courts, each one tailoring justice
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Speaker 4: according to the peculiarities of different customs.
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Speaker 3: Quality before the law, that's so yesterday.
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Speaker 4: The new gospel is tell me your race, and I'll
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Speaker 4: tell you which courtroom you've been assigned to. And what
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Speaker 4: happens when two kids commit the same crime but face
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Speaker 4: different courts based on ancestry. That's not a quality before
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Speaker 4: the law. If you want to recreate South Africa's race
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Speaker 4: based legal divisions, be my guest, but don't pretend it's progress.
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Speaker 3: The logic of this suggestion is toxic.
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Speaker 4: If culture determines your court, well, then why shouldn't culture
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Speaker 4: determine I don't know your police force, your schools, your hospitals,
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Speaker 4: and why stop there, let's have separate traffic lights for
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Speaker 4: different cultural groups.
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Speaker 3: Where does it end?
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Speaker 4: Do you really want to balkanize every public service so
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Speaker 4: that no one ever has to encounter the mainstream? Soon
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Speaker 4: there won't be a mainstream anything. Multiculturalism was supposed to
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Speaker 4: enrich one Australia, not replace it with twenty seven micro Australias,
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Speaker 4: each with its own rules.
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Speaker 3: So here's a radical thought.
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Speaker 4: Instead of three four ten culturally sensitive courts, why not
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Speaker 4: have one court that simply upholds Australian laws, one Australian
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Speaker 4: justice system where everyone black, white, brown, purple is judged
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Speaker 4: the same way, no exceptions, no race cards, no boutique courts,
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Speaker 4: just equal justice. And if you can't live under that,
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Speaker 4: well then maybe Australia isn't the place for you. Now,
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Speaker 4: while we're talking about the justice system in Victoria, how
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Speaker 4: is it that we have a father convicted of sexually
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Speaker 4: abusing his five year old daughter now serving time in
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Speaker 4: a women's prison. Well, the father identifies as female. Corrections Victoria,
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Speaker 4: bless their bureaucratic hearts, state that and I quote, a
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Speaker 4: person should be imprisoned in the prison of their gender
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Speaker 4: rather than their sex assigned or.
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Speaker 3: Assumed at birth.
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Speaker 4: So if you say you're female, you get to bunk
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Speaker 4: in with the ladies, never mind biology, anatomy, or the
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Speaker 4: safety of anyone around you.
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Speaker 3: And they have the hight to.
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Speaker 4: Call themselves the corrections department. Perhaps they should start with
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Speaker 4: correcting themselves. But here's the contradiction. Corrections Victoria also acknowledged
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Speaker 4: that sometimes, just sometimes, they might need to ignore the
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Speaker 4: gender identity rule if an inmate and I quote might
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Speaker 4: pose safety risks to others, particularly if their criminal record
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Speaker 4: indicates a history of sexual and or physical violence. So
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Speaker 4: wait on a second, which is it is a man
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Speaker 4: identifying as a woman suddenly not a woman if he
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Speaker 4: has a history of sexual and or physical violence.
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Speaker 3: That wouldn't make sense.
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Speaker 4: But nor would putting people the state has declared to
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Speaker 4: be women into men's prisons. And see, that's the problem
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Speaker 4: with gender fluid ideology.
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Speaker 3: The clue is in the name.
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Speaker 4: It's fluid, and it's fluid because it's not based on
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Speaker 4: anything solid, like biology or even common sense.
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Speaker 3: The case in Victoria is horrific. A twenty five year.
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Speaker 4: Old father made videos and took photographs of himself sexually
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Speaker 4: abusing his daughter to send to a pedophile in America
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Speaker 4: for his viewing pleasure. And when he was found guilty,
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Speaker 4: the Victorian judge worried that the offender would quote face
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Speaker 4: additional hardship in prison as a relatively young trans woman
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Speaker 4: will pass the violins that a judge would spend even
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Speaker 4: a moment to worry about the feelings of a person
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Speaker 4: who sexually abused a five year old Well, that is obscene. Yes,
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Speaker 4: yes a child has been traumatized. But I can't imagine
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Speaker 4: the hardships you'd face as a sexual predator who identifies
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Speaker 4: as trans.
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Speaker 3: Spare me.
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Speaker 4: Numerous women's organizations have demanded an explanation as to why
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Speaker 4: this sexual offender, who hasn't even had sex change surgery
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Speaker 4: is in a women's prison. Deniki de Georgio and I
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Speaker 4: spoke to Women's former Australia CEO Rachel Wong about this
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Speaker 4: very case a week ago.
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Speaker 5: Now, I note that you have written specifically to the
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Speaker 5: Allen government on this matter.
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Speaker 3: What are you calling for and have you had a response?
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Speaker 3: That's right, So we just wrote to at the end
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Speaker 3: of the last week.
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Speaker 5: You're at the premiere the creature's Minister and the mess
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Speaker 5: of a woman, and we have asked them to remove
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Speaker 5: this man from the prison, to explain how we got
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Speaker 5: there in the first place, to reassess their policies, and
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Speaker 5: to make sure that this never happens again. Now, look,
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Speaker 5: I'm not holding my breath because we did the same
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Speaker 5: thing in twenty twenty two and the Corrections Minister basically
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Speaker 5: just affirmed the policy and ignored our concerns. We also
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Speaker 5: wrote to the Human Rights Commission then as well, both
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Speaker 5: at the state and federal level. Both of them said
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Speaker 5: they have no power to do anything, which begs the
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Speaker 5: question who does have the power to look after the
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Speaker 5: rights offering our prisoners. It's just absolutely insane.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's lucky Rachel Wong hasn't been holding her breath
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Speaker 4: because a week later, I'd like to be able to
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Speaker 4: give you the government's explanation, except the Victorian government has
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Speaker 4: gone into hiding on this one. Premier Cinta Allen, who's
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Speaker 4: never show I have a microphone, is suddenly nowhere to
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Speaker 4: be found. This story, as I said, was first reported
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Speaker 4: a week ago by Danika and I and despite repeated requests,
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Speaker 4: not a single comment offered by Jacintha Allen.
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Speaker 3: Which is funny, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Because when the Australian newspaper reported that school children were
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Speaker 4: being taught gender fluidity as part of a so called
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Speaker 4: respectful Relationships program, just Cinta Allen couldn't wait to get
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Speaker 4: in front of a microphone.
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Speaker 6: In response to the ongoing perpetration of violence against women,
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Speaker 6: we have expanded the Respectful Relationships program.
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Speaker 4: If she's so concerned about the perpetration of violence against women,
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Speaker 4: why is she mute on a male sex affe a
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Speaker 4: serving time in a female prison. Well, I'll tell you why,
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Speaker 4: Because once you start tying your shoes in gender ideology,
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Speaker 4: the laces come undone and reality trips them up every
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Speaker 4: single time.
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Speaker 3: And that's Victoria.
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Speaker 4: A state that prioritizes identity politics over logic, ideology over safety,
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Speaker 4: and headlines over humanity. A place where the fantasy of
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Speaker 4: fluidity trumps the reality of crime, and the people most
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Speaker 4: in need of correction are the Department of Corrections and
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Speaker 4: a warning for Jacinta Allen, A case similar to this
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Speaker 4: led to the demise of Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.
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Speaker 4: It all came crashing down for Sturgeon when she repeatedly
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Speaker 4: refused to acknowledge that Eisler Bryce and, a transgender offender
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Speaker 4: serving time in a women's prison for raping two women,
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Speaker 4: was actually a man.
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Speaker 3: If folks can't trust you to tell the.
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Speaker 4: Truth about basic biology, why should they trust you on
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Speaker 4: anything but I simply have to show you these remarks
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Speaker 4: from Nicholas Sturgeon, when asked recently to reflect upon that
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Speaker 4: case of the men in a women's prison after raping
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Speaker 4: two women.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 7: I think what I would say now is any anybody
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Speaker 7: who commits the most heinous male crime against women probably
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Speaker 7: forfeits the right to be, you know, the gender of
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Speaker 7: their choice.
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Speaker 8: They forfeit to be the gender of their choice. That
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Speaker 8: that's quite I mean this, This actually goes to the
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Speaker 8: heart of the difficulty. Probably was not the best phrase
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Speaker 8: to use before they forfeit the right then I think
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Speaker 8: you probably the debate about whether they should be called
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Speaker 8: a woman or not. Probably, well, why don't you simply
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Speaker 8: say that n Isla Bryson is a biological male.
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Speaker 7: They add a biological male. But that's about whether it
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Speaker 7: gets back into the self I d thing. I should
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Speaker 7: have been much more straightforward. I wasn't, but that's because
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Speaker 7: of the debate. We've lost all sense of rationality in
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Speaker 7: this debate.
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Speaker 4: These people are insane, and these are people running our countries,
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Speaker 4: people who pick and choose when someone is a woman
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Speaker 4: and when they're not, while accusing us of being the
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Speaker 4: ones who've lost all sense of rationality. Tell you what
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Speaker 4: if Jacinta Allen can't come out and say that a
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Speaker 4: biological man is a man, no matter how he identifies,
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Speaker 4: and that a man doesn't belong in a female prison,
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Speaker 4: well then it defies rationality that she would ever be
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Speaker 4: re elected. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese he spent the weekend
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Speaker 4: trying to prop up the ailing leadership of his UK
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Speaker 4: labor bedfellow Kiirstarma. PM received the hero is Welcome before
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Speaker 4: he went on to declare he was locked in a
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Speaker 4: fight for democracy itself.
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Speaker 3: He also took a few not so thinly.
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Speaker 4: Veiled swipes that Reform leader Nigel Farage rather unwise move,
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Speaker 4: considering Farage may well soon move into number ten.
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Speaker 9: It is an absolute privilege to introduce a friend of mine,
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Speaker 9: a real inspiration to those of us on the left,
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Speaker 9: someone who is leading his country in the politics of renewal,
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Speaker 9: and of course winning a landslide victory earlier this summer.
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Speaker 10: In Australia, tearing things down is easy, but it doesn't
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Speaker 10: leave you with anything.
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Speaker 3: The low politics of fear.
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Speaker 10: And resentment are easy that they only divide the country.
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Speaker 3: They don't advance it.
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Speaker 1: We have no problem with the Prime Minister meeting the King,
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of the UK and other UK leaders,
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Speaker 1: but giving a speech backing in a political party in
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Speaker 1: another country that really does cross the line.
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Speaker 4: Joining me now is former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
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Speaker 4: Kroger and former Labor Senator Graham Richardson. Michael the PM
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Speaker 4: effectively campaigning for Keir Starmer. Is this the foreign interference
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Speaker 4: we are so often warned about.
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Speaker 11: You're interfering in British politics. Look, that was a terrible speech,
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Speaker 11: full of vacuous platitudes which were largely untrue. I mean
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Speaker 11: to say, we've got to resist the politics of fear.
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Speaker 11: I mean this bloke was partly re elected because he
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Speaker 11: lied to people about the Many care card, how Peter
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Speaker 11: Dutton was going to take it away from them, and
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Speaker 11: he lied about the Liberal Parties association and wink wink
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Speaker 11: relationship with Donald Trump. I mean, Keir Starmer is one
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Speaker 11: of Donald Trump's best international friends. But perhaps that wasn't
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Speaker 11: mentioned during the speech. This bloke shouldn't have given that speech.
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Speaker 11: The Labour's Party have to repay these expenses him going
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Speaker 11: to the conference. It is not acceptable out of the
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Speaker 11: parliamentary rules for an MP, if they're invited to do
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Speaker 11: a Liberal Party function or a Labor function saying Alice
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Speaker 11: Springs and they live in Sydney, they cannot fly there
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Speaker 11: and put it on the taxpayer. If they're doing other
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Speaker 11: parliamentary events there, yes they can go to an unrelated
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Speaker 11: party event, but if the principal reason for them flying
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Speaker 11: to Alice Springs's party function, it's against the rules. And
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Speaker 11: it's similarly against the rules for him to use government
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Speaker 11: jet and all of the trappings of government to a
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Speaker 11: fly to a political conference for the Labor Party in Britain,
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Speaker 11: and the Labor Party should repay.
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Speaker 3: All of those costs.
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Speaker 11: That's pretty obvious to anybody who knows anything about how
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Speaker 11: these parliamentary rules operate.
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Speaker 4: Well, I want to get Graham Richardson's views on that. Graham,
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Speaker 4: do you agree with those sentiments? Should Australians be footing
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Speaker 4: the bill for Elbow to campaign effectively on behalf of
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Speaker 4: Keir Starmer.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's a pretty good question and I'm certainly not
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Speaker 12: sure the answer, but I.
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Speaker 3: Do know Do you know the answer, Graham?
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Speaker 12: Well, that's your assert.
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Speaker 4: Yes it is, and yes it is, so Graham, what
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Speaker 4: did you what did you make of his speech? Then?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I note that when Scott Morrison attended to
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Speaker 4: try Trump rally a number of years ago, Albaniz he
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Speaker 4: accused him of acting inappropriately, and that was just attending
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Speaker 4: a Trump rally, not speaking at it.
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Speaker 3: Albaneze, he's gone the whole hog. It's pretty heavy critically.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, he's got a lot further than I thought he would.
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Speaker 12: I'd have to concede that, But that's elbow. He's he
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Speaker 12: can at times be a risk taker, and he's taken one.
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Speaker 3: I like how you defend him.
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Speaker 4: Graham Richard said, he's a risk taker and he's taken
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Speaker 4: a risk.
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Speaker 3: He sure has with our money. That's the problem.
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Speaker 4: All right, Let's move on from that one, because I
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Speaker 4: think that's about as much as we'll get from both
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Speaker 4: of you on that. I want to talk about Home
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Speaker 4: Affairs Minister Tony Burke. He was front and center personally
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Speaker 4: greeting refugees from Hamas controlled Gaza as they arrived at
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Speaker 4: Sydney's International Airport at the weekend. He did pretty much
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Speaker 4: everything except drive the uber to get them to their hotels.
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Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, why was Tony Burke there?
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Speaker 11: Well, he was there because he wanted to show to
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Speaker 11: his electorate, which is I think the third almost a
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Speaker 11: third of which a Muslim support Muslim believers, that he
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Speaker 11: was you know, bringing all these people in from Gaza.
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Speaker 11: I mean, you know, we agree for what's happening in Gaza.
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Speaker 11: We agree for these families of having to live in
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Speaker 11: terrible circumstances. But they can blame Hamas for that. And
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Speaker 11: I've got to say that to bring people in from Gaza,
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Speaker 11: I mean, there's a reason why other Arab countries are
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Speaker 11: not bringing these Palestinians into their countries. And the principal
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Speaker 11: reason is that people who are educated from day one
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Speaker 11: at primary school to the end of your secondary school
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Speaker 11: and at university, you're educated about how you should hate Jews.
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Speaker 11: You are indoctrinated, inculcated about hatred of Jews. These people
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Speaker 11: should be wiped up the face of the earth, the
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Speaker 11: Jews that is, And then we bring them to Australia.
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Speaker 11: I mean, how do you And you know some people
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Speaker 11: here that don't believe that, but surely a large proportion
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Speaker 11: of that forty and the thousands of others who have
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Speaker 11: come have been brought up on a recipe of more
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Speaker 11: than a dozen years of education in hating Jews. Do
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Speaker 11: we want people who hate Jews in this country? The
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Speaker 11: answer is absolutely no. And Burke didn't put out a release.
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Speaker 11: Albaneze didn't powder out a release press release, neither did Wog,
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Speaker 11: neither did Richard Miles. This was all done in secret.
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Speaker 11: Except for Sky, who got the footage. They've released no
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Speaker 11: information about this whatsoever because they're embarrassed outside Tony Burke's electorate.
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Speaker 4: Graham Richardson, would you expect Tony Burke to be at
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Speaker 4: the airport regularly now as refugees from different parts of
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Speaker 4: the world arrive to find our Home Affairs Minister they're
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Speaker 4: welcoming them? Or is this a special occasion and if so,
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Speaker 4: why why is it so special for Tony Burke.
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Speaker 12: I think Tony doesn't want to get too accustomed to
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Speaker 12: doing it. I think you'd rather, as they say in
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Speaker 12: the classic, sleep in your own bed. But you know that's.
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Speaker 3: Politics, all right.
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Speaker 4: Well, while Tony Burke was handing out how to vote
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Speaker 4: cards at Sydney International Airport, I don't know if he was,
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Speaker 4: but you know I wouldn't put it past him. New
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Speaker 4: Zealand was advising the United nations, they could not recognize
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Speaker 4: a state of Palestine because there was no viable state
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Speaker 4: of Palestine to recognize. Michael Kroger, have our cousins across
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Speaker 4: the ditch shown us up in terms of realism.
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Speaker 11: Well they haven't. They got it absolutely right. They got
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Speaker 11: absolutely right. And we're in this preposterous situation of where
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Speaker 11: in breach of the UN Charter, which gives countries the
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Speaker 11: right to self determination. So if we're recognizing the state
20:43
Speaker 11: of Palestino, the country of Palestine, we're obligated to allow
20:47
Speaker 11: them to have self determination. Yet in breach of that,
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Speaker 11: Albaneze He's says he's forced he's forced agreement on them,
20:55
Speaker 11: He's forced rules on them, which is they can't militarize. Well,
20:58
Speaker 11: that's their decision. They've got to have urgent elections. Well
21:02
Speaker 11: that's their decision. You know, they've got to recognize Israel's
21:06
Speaker 11: right to exist, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, he's
21:07
Speaker 11: imposed all these conditions on them. The one condition he
21:10
Speaker 11: didn't impose on them is that the Minori rights are guaranteed,
21:15
Speaker 11: the rights for gays are guaranteed. Why wasn't why a
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Speaker 11: free speech was guaranteed? Why weren't they guaranteed in his
21:21
Speaker 11: quest for agreements from Makmurd to Bass And the reason
21:26
Speaker 11: is because we know those things wouldn't have been agreed to.
21:29
Speaker 11: And the height of embarrassment for Labor is this that
21:32
Speaker 11: whilst many former foreign ministers have been ambassadors and chase
21:37
Speaker 11: aged affairs to know other countries around the world, high
21:42
Speaker 11: commissioners in England, Penny Wong will never be never be
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Speaker 11: the ambassador in Palestine if it comes into existence. She
21:53
Speaker 11: will never be able to be appointed the Australian Ambassador
21:56
Speaker 11: in Palestine. And we all know why. And it's a
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Speaker 11: grace that Alberanizi has gone with this recognition without demanding
22:04
Speaker 11: the rights of minorities, because Pennywong, if she was the
22:07
Speaker 11: ambassador there would last a day before they threw off
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Speaker 11: a building, because that's what they do to gay people
22:12
Speaker 11: in some of these extremeist Arab countries, and particularly those
22:15
Speaker 11: were Hamasar in control.
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Speaker 4: Well, just a couple of hours ago, Anthony Albanezi in
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Speaker 4: the Middle East was still defending the decision to recognize
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Speaker 4: a state of Palestine.
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Speaker 3: Here's some of what he had to say.
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Speaker 10: Have a look, well, we're not big players in the
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Speaker 10: Middle East compared with other nations that, of course have history.
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Speaker 10: I mean the United Kingdom. We speak about the British
22:39
Speaker 10: Mandate Palestine. There's all of that history there. The United
22:44
Speaker 10: States obviously has a very critical role to play as well,
22:48
Speaker 10: but Australia has done our part to recognize Palestine along
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Speaker 10: with other countries.
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Speaker 3: Was a part of.
22:57
Speaker 10: Our pursuit of peace, and we know that you need
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Speaker 10: to deal with the immediate issues of a ceasefire, but
23:05
Speaker 10: it also needs to be done in a way that
23:08
Speaker 10: ends the cycle of violence.
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Speaker 4: Graham Richardson the more anti alban Eas he tries to
23:15
Speaker 4: defend this decision, the more ridiculous it sounds. We haven't
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Speaker 4: even got a cease fire, but we're recognizing a state
23:21
Speaker 4: of Palestine as part of the process of peace.
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Speaker 3: Does it make sense to you.
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Speaker 12: No, to put it bluntly, no, I'd have to part
23:31
Speaker 12: company with my party on this one. It makes no
23:35
Speaker 12: sense whatsoever. You've got to have a real entity to recognize,
23:40
Speaker 12: and I can't see what that real entity is.
23:44
Speaker 4: And that's exactly the point that the New Zealand government
23:47
Speaker 4: made at the United Nations saying we're committed to a
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Speaker 4: two state solution, but there's got to be a state
23:52
Speaker 4: of Palestine to recognize there currently is not the complete
23:56
Speaker 4: opposite of what our government is doing. Michael Kroger, Gramrigeon,
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Speaker 4: thanks so much for your time tonight. Well after the break,
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Speaker 4: appalling scenes at the United Nations as dozens of diplomats
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Speaker 4: walk out when Benjamin Nett and Yaho gets up to speak. Plus,
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty keen to get Greg Sheridan's thoughts on Elbow's
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Speaker 4: speech at the UK Labor Conference.
24:15
Speaker 3: He'll join me in just a moment. We welcome back
24:22
Speaker 3: to the program.
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Speaker 4: Joining me now is the Australians Foreign Editor Greg Sheridan, Greg,
24:26
Speaker 4: welcome to the program. Dozens of diplomats staged a pretty
24:30
Speaker 4: dramatic walkout when Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Nett and Yah,
24:33
Speaker 4: who addressed the UN at the weekend. Many delegates filed
24:37
Speaker 4: out the moment he was introduced.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at what happened.
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Speaker 2: Liz in home, please in your home, Please.
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Speaker 4: Order in the home now, Greg, I was keen to
25:05
Speaker 4: ask you about this because I know you've had your
25:07
Speaker 4: criticisms of Benjamin Nett Yahoo, but I would have thought
25:10
Speaker 4: whatever one's position on Israel's offensive in Gaza, walking out
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Speaker 4: like that is disgraceful, isn't it?
25:17
Speaker 3: And highly performative.
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Speaker 13: Oh yes, James, it's great to be with you. Look,
25:23
Speaker 13: that's what the UN is. I mean, it's a rabble
25:26
Speaker 13: of dictatorships, mind you. I think even suffering boycott Netanyahu
25:31
Speaker 13: had a bigger audience than ALBERNIZI did in the UN.
25:35
Speaker 13: So no need to boycott Australia. You'd never noticed the difference,
25:39
Speaker 13: you know, especially when we're exercising our magnificent international leadership.
25:44
Speaker 13: But yes, it was rude, it was ill mannered, it
25:47
Speaker 13: was stupid, it was counterproductive. So the president of Iran
25:52
Speaker 13: can come along after murdering a thousand of his citizens
25:56
Speaker 13: in a weekend's executions, and he'll be listened to respect respectfully.
26:01
Speaker 13: The president of Russia when he danes to go there,
26:03
Speaker 13: that's fine, no problem. He's murdered one hundred thousand Ukrainians,
26:08
Speaker 13: that's no problem. Everybody's funky doory about that. Any Arab
26:12
Speaker 13: dictator in the business, that's no problem. But the one
26:17
Speaker 13: prime minister of the one Jewish state in the world
26:21
Speaker 13: is greeted that way. It is contemptible. And if Australia
26:25
Speaker 13: had a speck just even one tiny speck of moral courage,
26:32
Speaker 13: it would denounce the walkout instead of which we are
26:35
Speaker 13: now fatuously running for a temporary seat on the UN
26:39
Speaker 13: Security Council. So every dictatorship involved in every performative anti
26:45
Speaker 13: Semitic act is going to be our best friend for
26:48
Speaker 13: the next two years while we shovel money down their
26:50
Speaker 13: way and hope they'll vote for us for the sort
26:53
Speaker 13: of perverse beauty contest that is a non permanent seat
26:57
Speaker 13: on the UN Security Council.
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Speaker 4: Wow, Greg Sheridan, when you put it like that, We've
27:02
Speaker 4: got so much to look forward to. Donald Trump has
27:06
Speaker 4: claimed CEASEFIY negotiations between Israel and Hamas are now at
27:09
Speaker 4: their final stages. He's made claims like this before, but
27:13
Speaker 4: he says Israel A're on board with this and a
27:16
Speaker 4: deal could lead to peace across the Middle East. What's
27:19
Speaker 4: he proposing and what likelihood of success?
27:24
Speaker 13: Look, the absolute truth is, James, I got to give
27:27
Speaker 13: you the low down on this. God alone knows that
27:29
Speaker 13: is the truth. Almost nothing that Trump has said over
27:33
Speaker 13: the last few months has actually happened. Remember his summit
27:36
Speaker 13: with Vladimir Putin and he said that in the next
27:39
Speaker 13: week or so, there'd be a meeting between Putin and Zelensky,
27:43
Speaker 13: and Ukraine was on the brink of peace and everything. Now,
27:46
Speaker 13: certainly Trump has a lot more sway over Israel than
27:50
Speaker 13: he has over Russia or Ukraine. I'm not equating Israel
27:57
Speaker 13: with Russia in any way. I myself and generally regard
28:01
Speaker 13: as a very strong supporter of Israel, But I think
28:03
Speaker 13: Netnyaho's strategy in the last six months has been counterproductive.
28:08
Speaker 13: He's killing innocent people for no military benefit. So any
28:13
Speaker 13: kind of ceasefire now is okay as long as the
28:16
Speaker 13: Israelis don't agree to things that they can't reverse. I mean,
28:21
Speaker 13: I don't see how Israel can withdraw from the territory
28:24
Speaker 13: until a new governing authority is there. I don't think
28:27
Speaker 13: Israel can withdraw until it gets all its hostages back.
28:31
Speaker 13: But that doesn't mean it has to keep up this bombardment.
28:34
Speaker 13: I mean, I agree with those many Israeli analysts who
28:38
Speaker 13: say Israel should just stop the major campaign and say
28:42
Speaker 13: to Hamas and Gaza, you get no dollar of reconstruction aid.
28:46
Speaker 13: We'll give you all the food medical aid in the world,
28:48
Speaker 13: but not one dollar of reconstruction aid until we get
28:51
Speaker 13: all our hostages back and Hamas is disarmed. And any
28:54
Speaker 13: time a HUMMAS leader pops his head up, blow it off,
28:57
Speaker 13: that's fine. And nobody's got any problem with his being
29:00
Speaker 13: at war against Hummas. And it may be that Trump
29:03
Speaker 13: will provide Netnyahu with an off ramp, and that would
29:07
Speaker 13: be that would be a very good thing. But honestly,
29:09
Speaker 13: we've just no way of knowing whether this will get,
29:14
Speaker 13: you know, play out as Trump says or not.
29:18
Speaker 4: I spoke with Michael Kroger and Graham Richardson earlier about
29:21
Speaker 4: anti Alberanese's appearance at the UK Labor Conference over the weekend.
29:25
Speaker 4: I'm keen to get your thoughts. Do you agree it
29:27
Speaker 4: was inappropriate? And what did you make about his comments
29:30
Speaker 4: indirectly about Nigel Farage.
29:34
Speaker 13: Well, yes I did, and that was a wonderful panel
29:36
Speaker 13: you had with Michael Krager and Graham richards And they
29:38
Speaker 13: would be surprised to know I'm an admirer of Michael Krager,
29:41
Speaker 13: but I'm also a tremendous admirer of rich O and
29:45
Speaker 13: I loved his monosyllabic inability to defend ALBERIZI because he
29:50
Speaker 13: was telling the truth. Did Albow go too far yep.
29:53
Speaker 13: Can you make any defense of it?
29:55
Speaker 3: Nope. So this was a regard didn't help with Albanie.
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Speaker 4: Greg Greg The mono sybilic answer did not help me
30:03
Speaker 4: with the interview with that panel.
30:05
Speaker 3: I'm glad you enjoyed it, But rich I was.
30:07
Speaker 4: As you say, yeah, I know, because there was not
30:10
Speaker 4: much else to say.
30:12
Speaker 13: There was great honesty in his answers, I thought, and
30:15
Speaker 13: he's a good man, he's very good being Graham Richardson,
30:17
Speaker 13: and he was involved in a different kind of labor government.
30:20
Speaker 13: But look, everything was wrong with this speech. First of all,
30:23
Speaker 13: at the technical level, it was surely the most cliche ridden, banality, heavy, ridiculous,
30:29
Speaker 13: worthless ho Hume speech in the history of the world,
30:33
Speaker 13: you know, full of idiotic self congratulation. Labor chose democracy, wow,
30:38
Speaker 13: so what they might have chosen Stalinism instead. Then it
30:42
Speaker 13: was a party political speech which no Australian Prime minister
30:46
Speaker 13: is meant to deliver overseas. Imagine if Scott Morrison had
30:50
Speaker 13: gone to the Republican National Convention as it nominated Donald
30:53
Speaker 13: Trump and said.
30:54
Speaker 3: Let's make America great again.
30:56
Speaker 13: That's what we Liberals and New Republicans share in common,
31:00
Speaker 13: and that's our deep belief. Blah blah blah. You know,
31:02
Speaker 13: there'd before Corners sinister documentaries about it for the rest
31:06
Speaker 13: of time, and it added nothing for Australia. There was
31:10
Speaker 13: no value in it for Australia if you count the
31:12
Speaker 13: South Pacific leg of this trip, because he came home
31:17
Speaker 13: for a day after the South Pacific before he went
31:19
Speaker 13: to America. This is one of the very longest prime
31:23
Speaker 13: ministerial trips in our history and surely one of the
31:26
Speaker 13: worst humiliating failure in Papua New Guinea and Vanuatu utter
31:31
Speaker 13: nonsensical virtue signaling. In New York, we don't have any
31:37
Speaker 13: influence on Palestine, Thank God. The Palestinians and the Israeli
31:40
Speaker 13: should be grateful for that. We our ridiculous climate targets
31:44
Speaker 13: are being followed by nobody. Canada, you know, Albo's best
31:48
Speaker 13: friend much reduced its targets. One reason Starma is so
31:52
Speaker 13: in such bad odour in the polls is because of
31:55
Speaker 13: what green policies are doing to energy prices in Britain.
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Speaker 13: Albaneze didn't get to see Trump, and he briefs out
32:04
Speaker 13: that this is because he wants a mature and constructive
32:07
Speaker 13: relationship with Trump. Well, the meeting is now scheduled for
32:10
Speaker 13: October twenty. That's about ten days, absolutely one year.
32:15
Speaker 4: The crazy thing. The crazy thing Greg is now that
32:17
Speaker 4: he's having dis Trump. Now he's dissing Nigel Ferrag, who
32:21
Speaker 4: could well be the next Prime minister. I've got to
32:23
Speaker 4: leave it there. I'm so sorry, but we need to
32:25
Speaker 4: go to a break. Greg Sheridan, always really good to
32:28
Speaker 4: talk to you. Thank you so much.
32:29
Speaker 3: We'll coming up after the break.
32:31
Speaker 4: A bizarre piece from the ABC entitled the Case against Babies?
32:35
Speaker 4: Why would the National broadcast to be writing this at
32:38
Speaker 4: a time when the birth rate is in free form?
32:40
Speaker 3: My panel joins me next.
32:46
Speaker 4: Well, the ABC has published a lengthy article on its
32:49
Speaker 4: website promoting what it calls the Case against Babies. It
32:54
Speaker 4: says the arguments of anti natalists have been strengthened by
32:57
Speaker 4: the climate crisis and marvels at most we don't realize
33:00
Speaker 4: the most effective thing they can do to fight climate
33:02
Speaker 4: change is to not become parents. Joining me now is
33:06
Speaker 4: lecturer and historians Stephen Shivra and Sky News host freyer Leitch.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me, Freyer.
33:12
Speaker 4: Is it appropriate for our public funded broadcaster to be
33:15
Speaker 4: promoting childlessness.
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Speaker 14: It's honestly baffling. If the ABC's true job is to
33:22
Speaker 14: promote in advance Australia's national interests, which we know they
33:26
Speaker 14: don't do ninety nine percent of the high but hypothetically
33:28
Speaker 14: say it was, what they should do is be publishing
33:31
Speaker 14: articles encouraging people to have more children. The West and
33:35
Speaker 14: Australia we're suffering a depopulation crisis, with a birth rate
33:40
Speaker 14: well below replacement rate, at around one point five births
33:44
Speaker 14: per women, and this is catastrophic. Just look to countries
33:47
Speaker 14: like Japan and South Korea where they have a birth
33:51
Speaker 14: rate below one births per woman to see what this
33:55
Speaker 14: does to a society and to a culture. Our country,
33:59
Speaker 14: if we can't have enough children to replace ourselves, will
34:02
Speaker 14: literally die. And what we'll have to do is bring
34:05
Speaker 14: in a lot of migrants to replace that population, just
34:10
Speaker 14: in terms of numbers to keep services running, age care homes, etc.
34:14
Speaker 14: But ultimately Australia as we know it today will cease
34:17
Speaker 14: to exist. So if anything, we all need to go
34:19
Speaker 14: out there and have a lot more babies.
34:24
Speaker 4: Well, Steven, The article quotes those who want to raise
34:27
Speaker 4: a family as people who are doing nothing more than
34:29
Speaker 4: running a human Ponzi scheme.
34:31
Speaker 3: Quote unquote, you're a parent, is that what you're up to?
34:35
Speaker 15: This is It shows how dehumanized the left has become
34:40
Speaker 15: that they would actually look at raising children as nothing
34:44
Speaker 15: more than a Ponzi scheme. I mean, there is nothing
34:47
Speaker 15: more important or meaningful in life than having children and
34:52
Speaker 15: raising them. That's really what life is all about. And
34:56
Speaker 15: for the left to just look at that as something
34:59
Speaker 15: that is purely armful just shows how inhuman the left
35:03
Speaker 15: has become. And you know, we like to talk about
35:05
Speaker 15: Western civilization. I'm a defender of Western civilization, but we
35:08
Speaker 15: always also have to confess that at the heart of
35:11
Speaker 15: Western civilization now is a real sickness. There is a
35:15
Speaker 15: spiritual void in Western civilization, and this is one of
35:18
Speaker 15: its manifestations. And I don't know whether it's we've just
35:21
Speaker 15: stopped believing in anything, we've become nihilistic, or we've become
35:24
Speaker 15: so prosperous and comfortable that we've so turned inward that
35:28
Speaker 15: we just care nothing about care about nothing else than
35:32
Speaker 15: just sort of having a good time, becoming radically individualistic,
35:35
Speaker 15: and the idea of obligations to our parents to give
35:38
Speaker 15: them children, to our country, to our civilization, to God,
35:42
Speaker 15: to our church, they all have gone out the window.
35:44
Speaker 15: And as the ancient historian Livy said, when you get
35:47
Speaker 15: to this stage, you become in love with death. And
35:51
Speaker 15: that is exactly what we are at in the West.
35:53
Speaker 15: And perhaps we need a religious revival to bounce back.
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Speaker 4: To see the evidence of that, certainly in the United
36:02
Speaker 4: States and in other parts of the world over the
36:04
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks.
36:05
Speaker 3: I hope you're right.
36:06
Speaker 4: Anthony Albinezi spent time with King Charles at the weekend
36:09
Speaker 4: and came away insisting he wouldn't pursue a referendum for
36:13
Speaker 4: a republic, not because he doesn't believe in a republic,
36:16
Speaker 4: he just knows the last one didn't go so well.
36:18
Speaker 3: But I want to ask you about.
36:20
Speaker 4: Comments by the co chair of the Australian Republic Movement,
36:24
Speaker 4: Esther Anatolitus. She said, and I quote, we've been a
36:28
Speaker 4: republic culturally for a long time, just not constitutionally. Perhaps
36:32
Speaker 4: it will fall to a future Australian Prime Minister to
36:34
Speaker 4: be the one who leads it. But I do see
36:36
Speaker 4: this as something that will happen now. The question of
36:39
Speaker 4: Australia becoming a republic was put to Australians in nineteen
36:42
Speaker 4: ninety nine and only forty five percent of people backed
36:45
Speaker 4: at Freyer. The thing that had me curious is this
36:49
Speaker 4: tactic of inevitability that progressives seemed to use a lot
36:53
Speaker 4: on a number of issues. No matter how many times
36:56
Speaker 4: the public say no, toe something, progressives insist Yeah, but
37:00
Speaker 4: it's only a matter of time until you change your mind.
37:03
Speaker 4: This is a common refrain.
37:05
Speaker 3: From the left, isn't it. It definitely is.
37:08
Speaker 14: But actually the push for a republic or support for
37:12
Speaker 14: a republic is less popular today than it was at
37:16
Speaker 14: the time of the referendum in the late nineties. So
37:19
Speaker 14: I actually don't think it's inevitable, and I think you
37:22
Speaker 14: now have a country that one. We're sick of referendums.
37:25
Speaker 14: I think the Voice firmly cemented that view among people.
37:30
Speaker 14: I think too, there's a skepticism of what a republic
37:33
Speaker 14: would look like. Look at the Governor General Sam Mouston
37:36
Speaker 14: and her patronage of biased organizations like Equality Australia. They've
37:42
Speaker 14: already crossed the line making the head of states representative
37:46
Speaker 14: here partisan and political. So I don't think people will
37:49
Speaker 14: go for a republic on that level. And I think
37:51
Speaker 14: there's a deeper cultural issue here, which is that Australians
37:55
Speaker 14: are sick and tired of elements of our national identity,
37:59
Speaker 14: of our culture being chipped away one at a time.
38:03
Speaker 16: It is this relentless pursuit for progress, but what it's
38:08
Speaker 16: actually doing is just undermining what makes us Australia, and
38:13
Speaker 16: a key part of that is our Anglo heritage as
38:16
Speaker 16: a country, and that is represented by the Crown.
38:19
Speaker 14: So it's not inevitable. I think people have had enough
38:22
Speaker 14: of this, but we need to continue to prosecute the
38:26
Speaker 14: case otherwise they will continue to push.
38:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the pushes. As I said, it's inevitable. It's inevitable.
38:33
Speaker 4: It's almost like a war of attrition until finally anyone
38:37
Speaker 4: opposed simply gives up and assumes, well, the war must
38:40
Speaker 4: already be lost. While we're talking about verbal in the public,
38:43
Speaker 4: let me give you a classic example from the Victorian
38:46
Speaker 4: premiere today. Here she is talking about how her ban
38:49
Speaker 4: on machetes is working so well, and the.
38:53
Speaker 6: Ban on machetes, the ban on possession of machetes is
38:57
Speaker 6: already working. In just the first month alone, more than
39:00
Speaker 6: six thousand of these dangerous weapons have been passed through
39:03
Speaker 6: the machete disposal process, that we're seeing measures like this work.
39:09
Speaker 4: So her machete ban is a huge success. I mean,
39:13
Speaker 4: unless you've been stabbed. That is here she is in
39:15
Speaker 4: the exact same press conference.
39:18
Speaker 17: The loss of another young life on the weekend as
39:20
Speaker 17: a result of knife crime, as a result of young
39:23
Speaker 17: people carrying these dangerous, deadly weapons, is a reminder of
39:27
Speaker 17: not only the importance of banning the machetes, getting them
39:31
Speaker 17: off our streets, but also that there is further work
39:34
Speaker 17: to do to work with young kids to say don't
39:37
Speaker 17: carry these dangerous weapons, because quite clearly they are deadly.
39:41
Speaker 4: Steve and I was trying to work out if I
39:43
Speaker 4: was watching an episode of Monty Python or the Victorian premier.
39:47
Speaker 4: One moment she's saying, oh, that the machete ban is
39:50
Speaker 4: a great success. Of course, condolences to the young person
39:53
Speaker 4: who was killed by a machete.
39:56
Speaker 15: Yeah, exactly. I mean, this whole machete bin is has
40:00
Speaker 15: been a massive boondoggle at best. Just four and four
40:04
Speaker 15: days ago, four or five days ago, there was a
40:06
Speaker 15: machete fight literally meters from a machete bin. Now, unless
40:11
Speaker 15: fighting over who gets to put their machete in the bin. First,
40:14
Speaker 15: it seems to me that the whole machete bin thing
40:17
Speaker 15: isn't really working. And as we say, you know, as
40:19
Speaker 15: you pointed out tragically in more Wall, an eighteen year
40:23
Speaker 15: old has just died from a machete fight. Now Labor
40:26
Speaker 15: knows what it has to do to stop this, because
40:28
Speaker 15: it's been done before. It has to get really tough
40:31
Speaker 15: on crime. The problem is Labor ideologically is so left wing.
40:35
Speaker 15: It will never get tough on crime unless it's you know,
40:38
Speaker 15: against Conservatives, then they will get tough. And the legal
40:42
Speaker 15: system in Victoria is so left wing as well. It's
40:45
Speaker 15: basically a revolving door legal system. And so I'm afraid
40:49
Speaker 15: there's just no relief in Victorian's.
40:54
Speaker 4: I just can't understand a premier who stands there insisting
40:57
Speaker 4: it's working well at the same time offering condolences to
41:01
Speaker 4: those who have been killed. It's just incredible gas lighting
41:04
Speaker 4: of the public. Freyer and Stephen, thank you so much.
41:07
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Speaker 4: Krakhu live from London up next. England's National Health Service
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Speaker 4: has been urged to apologize for publishing guidance extalling the
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Speaker 4: benefits of first cousin marriage. That's despite the fact first
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Speaker 4: cousin marriage increases the risk of birth defects, something you'd
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Speaker 4: think the NHS would be trying to avoid. The NHS
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Speaker 4: published guidance last week advising the public that first cousin
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Speaker 4: marriage was linked to and I quote, stronger extended family
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Speaker 4: support systems and economic advantages. Joining me now as writer
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Speaker 4: and broad cast Ester cragu Esther, thanks for coming on
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Speaker 4: the program. How can I National Health Service be so irresponsible?
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Speaker 4: They've been widely condemned for this.
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Speaker 3: Will they apologize?
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Speaker 18: This is what happens when the scientific community and public
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Speaker 18: services in the UK has been completely co opted by
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Speaker 18: a group of people that are so detached from reality
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Speaker 18: that it actually beggars belief.
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Speaker 19: And to your question whether they will apologize, probably not.
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Speaker 19: It's actually incredible.
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Speaker 18: To me that with all the information that has come
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Speaker 18: out over the last few years, like the fact that
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Speaker 18: you know British pakistanis make up three point four percent
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Speaker 18: of bursts in the UK, but over thirty percent of
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Speaker 18: recessive gene birth defects.
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Speaker 19: And yet with us knowing this.
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Speaker 18: Information and this is mainly due to cousin marriage, the
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Speaker 18: fact that the NHS is saying this just shows that
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Speaker 18: either they're in complete denial for what I suspect, our
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Speaker 18: public services are enthrall to communities that they feel like
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Speaker 18: they can't criticize because they will be accused of racism.
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Speaker 19: Look, there was a call by.
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Speaker 18: A conservative MP last year to ban cousin marriage, and
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Speaker 18: the government and said, oh, yes, we'll look into it,
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Speaker 18: we're open minded about it, which is actually the words
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Speaker 18: that they use.
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Speaker 19: And then a few weeks later they sudden uturn and they.
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Speaker 18: Said actually never mind, And that was mainly because they
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Speaker 18: didn't want to risk losing the growing Gaza vote bloc
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Speaker 18: that we're seeing, which obviously is made up of a
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Speaker 18: significant number of British Pakistani Muslims that feel quite strongly
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Speaker 18: associated with that cause. But we're seeing information coming up
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Speaker 18: again and again about the dangers of cousin marriage.
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Speaker 19: For example, the Pakistani grooming.
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Speaker 18: Gangs, which is to Britain's everlasting shame. Something that Elon
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Speaker 18: Musku d your attention to earlier this year about the
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Speaker 18: fact that a significant number of British Pakistanis were over
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Speaker 18: represented in the systemic gang rape and abuse of mainly
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Speaker 18: white working class British girls. The reason some of the
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Speaker 18: reasons why you had towns like Rotherham where you know
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Speaker 18: one in seven British Pakistanis in those towns were convicted
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Speaker 18: of being part of these gang rapes is because actually
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Speaker 18: they were all.
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Speaker 19: Products of cousin marriage.
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Speaker 18: So they had these tight kinship communities where if they
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Speaker 18: weren't engaging necessarily in the criminal acts, they knew of
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Speaker 18: them and they decided to keep those secrets and not
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Speaker 18: rock the boat.
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Speaker 19: Because they have these strong kinship ties.
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Speaker 18: So it's not just about the significant amount of birth
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Speaker 18: defects that we see in those communities that encourage that
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Speaker 18: kind of behavior. It's also when you see degrees of criminality,
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Speaker 18: they're not going to put their country first, or that
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Speaker 18: their citizens or their neighbors first. They're going to put
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Speaker 18: their families first because they developed these deep ties. So
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Speaker 18: the NHS is clearly not in tune with reality or
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Speaker 18: what I suspect is. It's still part of a group
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Speaker 18: of public health officials that are so scared of being
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Speaker 18: called racist that they would rather do things to the
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Speaker 18: detriment of the British public.
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Speaker 19: Mind you can I just point out this is the
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Speaker 19: shocking statistics. Between thirty eight percent.
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Speaker 18: And fifty nine percent of it's estimated, of all British
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Speaker 18: Pakistanis married their cousins.
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Speaker 19: So it's not a fringe issue.
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Speaker 18: Within like you you know, on the outskirts of British society.
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Speaker 19: This is a major issue within this one specific community.
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Speaker 4: And I should point out it's not illegal in the UK,
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Speaker 4: but for the NHS to be actively promoting it is
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Speaker 4: quite astonishing. Kiss Darmer's government is laying out what it
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Speaker 4: says are tougher conditions for migrants who.
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Speaker 3: Want to stay in the UK. Here's the tougher conditions.
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Speaker 4: They'll be expected to speak English, have a clean criminal record,
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Speaker 4: and not be claiming welfare benefits. Est it surprises me
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Speaker 4: these measures are being sold as tough out of thought
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Speaker 4: that would be like a minimum standard.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, it's literally the bare minimum.
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Speaker 18: But what they are trying to do is stay off
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Speaker 18: the rise of reform in a rather pathetic way.
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Speaker 19: Now we know that exact Cooper.
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Speaker 18: The last Home Secretary was dished in favor of Shavannah
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Speaker 18: mcmood And because Shavana mmod is seen as one of
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Speaker 18: the more hardline members of of Kiss Starmer's government, and
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Speaker 18: she's actually probably one of the more impressive members of
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Speaker 18: the cabinet.
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Speaker 19: Now that's not to say much, because I think that's
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Speaker 19: just indicative of how low the bar is.
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Speaker 18: I mean, the bar is literally through the floor when
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Speaker 18: it comes to the amount of talent in this labor government.
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Speaker 18: But she is a woman, she is of a Muslim heritage,
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Speaker 18: and she has a seat in the West Midlands which
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Speaker 18: many think she could be jeopardizing by trying to be
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Speaker 18: hard on immigration and taking this very socially conservative stance.
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Speaker 19: But what he's hoping she will do is save his.
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Speaker 18: Government from what we see at this wide rise of
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Speaker 18: you know, benefits claimants one and I think one of
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Speaker 18: six people claiming benefits in this country, our non British,
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Speaker 18: basically our immigrants. And she's trying to sort of stave
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Speaker 18: off the rise of reform by saying we're going to
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Speaker 18: get tough on asylum seekers and how people can claim
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Speaker 18: indefinitely to remain to show that you know, people that
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Speaker 18: are claiming these status are not taking from the system
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Speaker 18: but actually contributing, which when you crunch the numbers it
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Speaker 18: really is not very high or very impressive. You have
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Speaker 18: countries like Denmark being led by left and governments that
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Speaker 18: are taking the commons CeNSE stance saying if you're going
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Speaker 18: to be in this country, you should contribute and you
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Speaker 18: shouldn't basically given in definitely to remain it's some sort
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Speaker 18: of god given right.
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Speaker 19: And then you have.
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Speaker 18: Kirstam in Britain trying to get Shabanah moved to save
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Speaker 18: him by really talking.
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Speaker 19: About things that are very obvious. It shouldn't be some.
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Speaker 18: Sort of hard thought line stance to say that if
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Speaker 18: you're going to claim and definitely to remain, you shouldn't
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Speaker 18: be on benefits or you shouldn't have a criminal record.
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Speaker 4: Ester, we've only got about one minute left, but just quickly,
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Speaker 4: Prince Harry has claimed that Royal Aids are sabotaging his
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Speaker 4: attempts to reconcile with his family. Just quickly, what's all
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Speaker 4: that about? And is that helping the situation?
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Speaker 19: I think definitely not.
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Speaker 18: I mean there was a sense that after nineteen months
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Speaker 18: of basically not seeing his.
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Speaker 19: Father there will be some sort of hope of reconciliation.
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Speaker 18: And for him to come out and say that it's
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Speaker 18: actually these aids, these men and gray suits as he
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Speaker 18: likes to call them, that are scovering his attempts at
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Speaker 18: reconciliation of his father, and then to.
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Speaker 19: Go to the media with it. It just shows how out
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Speaker 19: of touch he is. It's probably because every time he's.
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Speaker 18: Upset, every time he has a grievance, it's always someone
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Speaker 18: else's fault and he runs to the media. That's probably
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Speaker 18: what's keeping his family at bay, not the fact that
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Speaker 18: there's some rhyandom men in suits saying, oh, yes, we
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Speaker 18: don't want Prince Harry to know his daddy.
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Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 4: The royal family you'd be desperately afraid of saying anything
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Speaker 4: to him because he leaks like a sieve.
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Speaker 3: That's been the criticism. He finally has.
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Speaker 4: This reunion with his father, and what as he do,
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Speaker 4: runs straight to the press, confirming every fear that people
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Speaker 4: had about him. There you go, astocrat who always a
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Speaker 4: delight to catch up. Thanks so much for joining me
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Speaker 4: tonight and thanks for watching this evening of enjoyed your company.
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Speaker 4: Stick around coming up in just a moment, is Danika
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