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Woman Shot With Her Own Gun On Dog Walk · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So usually when we talk about a crime scene, there
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  Speaker 1: is this totally ingrained expectation of physical evidence, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Like we are basically conditioned by decades of television and
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  Speaker 1: true crime books to view a crime scene like a
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  Speaker 1: puzzle waiting to be solved. You know, you dust for prints,
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  Speaker 1: you locate a stray fiber, and then the detective points
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  Speaker 1: at the ground and is like, there's the story.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Because it provides the sense of tangible comfort. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: We inherently want the chaos of violence to be measurable.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We want it collected in little plastic bags, logged onto
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  Speaker 2: an evidence sheet, and analyzed in a sterile lab where
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  Speaker 2: the laws of physics and biology just give us definitive answers.
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  Speaker 1: But step into the actual world of human deception and
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  Speaker 1: that pristine investigative landscape just totally fractures. Suddenly that physical
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  Speaker 1: evidence gets manipulated or is just completely inexplicably missing.
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  Speaker 2: Or worse, it's screaming a story that makes absolutely no
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  Speaker 2: logical sense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like we are looking at a terrain that is
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  Speaker 1: terrifyingly blank in some places and then overwhelmingly, deafeningly noisy
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  Speaker 1: in others, which is the mission of our deep dive today.
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  Speaker 2: And that's really the absolute definition of an investigative paradox.
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  Speaker 2: In every single inquiry, whether it is a petty theft or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a capital murder, investigators are fundamentally hunting for
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  Speaker 2: the footprint.
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  Speaker 1: The physical trace. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They're searching for the trace. that proves two realities collided
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  Speaker 2: at a specific point in space and time. So today,
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  Speaker 2: we're exploring the extreme edges of that reality.
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  Speaker 1: Like what happens when that footprint is almost impossibly absent?
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  Speaker 1: Or conversely, what happens when it's so overwhelmingly digital that
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  Speaker 1: it becomes a trap?
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  Speaker 2: And perhaps most chillingly, what happens when the only witnesses
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  Speaker 2: to a brutal crime are, well, animals who literally cannot speak?
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  Speaker 1: Let's actually start with those silent witnesses. We are heading
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  Speaker 1: to Indianapolis to look into the story of 52-year-old Cherise Bingham.
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  Speaker 1: And to even begin to understand the mechanics of this case,
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  Speaker 1: you have to understand the gravity of Cherise's personality.
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  Speaker 2: She was a force.
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  Speaker 1: A total force. She was a married career woman, highly
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  Speaker 1: educated with several degrees, but her resume barely scratches the surface.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she was the absolute bedrock of her community.
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  Speaker 1: Devoted to her church, devoted to her family.
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  Speaker 2: Probably like when her parents fell ill, Cherise just stepped
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  Speaker 2: up as the primary caretaker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was the anchor for her siblings. Her family
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  Speaker 1: called her Recy, and they described her as someone who,
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  Speaker 1: when she walked into a room, just naturally commanded attention.
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  Speaker 1: She possessed this immense gravitational pull of care, but mixed
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  Speaker 1: with this undeniable authority.
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  Speaker 2: And that specific type of authority is crucial to note,
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  Speaker 2: because it extended profoundly into her personal passions. Shirais didn't
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  Speaker 2: have children, but she possessed this preternatural connection with dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Specifically German Shepherds.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Her family said this uncanny ability started when she was
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  Speaker 1: just like 9 or 10 years old with a dog
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  Speaker 1: named Cruiser. She could get that dog to do absolutely anything.
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  Speaker 2: She was a natural handler.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Fast forward to her 50s, and she has two
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  Speaker 1: adult German Shepherds that she treats like her absolute babies.
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  Speaker 1: And these aren't just casual house pets. They are highly trained,
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  Speaker 1: intensely loyal, and fiercely instinctively protective of her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and German shepherds are complex animals. You know, they're pack-oriented,
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  Speaker 2: originally bred for herding and guarding livestock, which requires a
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  Speaker 2: high degree of intelligence and, honestly, an innate suspicion of
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  Speaker 2: external threats.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They aren't golden retrievers welcoming everyone inside.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. When they bond with a human, they
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  Speaker 2: view that human as the absolute center of their pack structure.
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  Speaker 2: That protective instinct isn't just a trick they're taught. It
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  Speaker 2: is hardwired into their genetics.
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  Speaker 1: And that specific genetic wiring is going to become the
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  Speaker 1: central pivot point of this entire mystery. But to set
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  Speaker 1: the stage fully, we really have to look at the
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  Speaker 1: other significant relationship in her life, which was her 28-year
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  Speaker 1: marriage to a man named Eugene.
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  Speaker 2: And here's where the picture of Charice's stable life starts
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  Speaker 2: to fracture pretty severely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Her family describes Eugene as quiet, somewhat demanding, and
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  Speaker 1: they use the phrase hamp in the air to describe
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  Speaker 1: his demeanor like suggesting a sort of aloof cockiness.
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  Speaker 2: But the most staggering detail about their nearly three-decade marriage
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  Speaker 2: is the extreme physical and emotional compartmentalization of their living arrangement.
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  Speaker 1: It's so strange.
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  Speaker 2: It is. Sharice ran the household upstairs. She went to work.
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  Speaker 2: She walked her dogs. She managed the finances and the
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  Speaker 2: family affairs. And Eugene, Eugene essentially lived in the basement.
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  Speaker 1: Just totally separate. I mean, analyzing a 28-year marriage where...
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  Speaker 1: One partner isolates themselves in a subterranean level while the
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  Speaker 1: other manages the entire external world. It reveals this profound
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  Speaker 1: emotional estrangement.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. You have two people sharing an address, a mortgage,
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  Speaker 2: and a legal document, but they're inhabiting entirely different realities.
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  Speaker 1: And as the investigation later reveals, that physical separation in
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  Speaker 1: the architecture of their home completely mirrored a much darker
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  Speaker 1: hidden separation in their lives. So fast forward to a
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  Speaker 1: freezing December night. Charisse takes her two German shepherds for
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  Speaker 1: a walk along the banks of the White River in Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 1: It is a really desolate area, particularly brutal in the
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  Speaker 1: winter after dark.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where a horrifying discovery is made.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Charisse is found dead lying face down on a
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  Speaker 1: blood-stained concrete walking path. She had been shot point-blank in
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  Speaker 1: the chest, and the weapon used to end her life.
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  Speaker 1: It was her own gun.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Yet the detail that elevates this from a
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  Speaker 2: tragic homicide... to an almost incomprehensible locked room mystery is
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  Speaker 2: what the paramedics and police encountered when they arrived at
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  Speaker 2: the scene.
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  Speaker 1: This is the part that is just wild to me.
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  Speaker 2: They physically could not get to her body.
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  Speaker 1: Right. First responders literally had to halt their approach. Circling
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  Speaker 1: her body, actively guarding her against anyone who tried to
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  Speaker 1: step closer, were her two massive German shepherds.
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  Speaker 2: They were in full defense mode.
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  Speaker 1: They were acting so viciously, bearing teeth, Lunging that paramedics
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  Speaker 1: were initially completely unable to even check Shirais for signs
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  Speaker 1: of life.
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  Speaker 2: Reverting to our understanding of the breed, when a German
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  Speaker 2: shepherd's primary bond, you know, their pack leader, is incapacitated,
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  Speaker 2: that protective instinct just goes into overdrive.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't going to let anyone near her.
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  Speaker 2: No, they weren't merely staying near her for comfort. They
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  Speaker 2: had established a tactical perimeter of defense. Anyone breaching that
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  Speaker 2: perimeter was classified as an immediate lethal threat.
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  Speaker 1: I was turning this over in my head, and it
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  Speaker 1: functions exactly like a classic locked room mystery, but out
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  Speaker 1: in the open air.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great way to look at it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a bank vault where the alarm never triggered,
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  Speaker 1: you know? If these highly trained, incredibly aggressive guard dogs,
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  Speaker 1: who are clearly willing to attack armed police officers, if
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  Speaker 1: they didn't attack the killer, the killer absolutely had to
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  Speaker 1: be someone the dogs were completely unquestionably comfortable with.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Someone who possessed the psychological security clearance... to bypass
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  Speaker 2: their guarding instincts.
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  Speaker 1: Which narrows the suspect pool to an almost singular point.
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  Speaker 1: The dogs basically become the ultimate, albeit silent, character witnesses.
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  Speaker 2: Because if a stranger had approached Shrice in the dark,
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  Speaker 2: along a desolate riverbank, those dogs would have alerted, vocalized,
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  Speaker 2: and likely attacked long before the assailant could get within
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  Speaker 2: arm's reach.
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  Speaker 1: Especially in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The proximity of the gunshot wound point-blank to the chest.
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  Speaker 2: implies an interaction completely devoid of initial panic or canine aggression.
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  Speaker 2: The killer just walked right up to her.
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  Speaker 1: So looking at who those dogs knew, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: list is incredibly short. As the family pointed out immediately,
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  Speaker 1: the only other human on Earth those dogs truly trusted
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  Speaker 1: was Eugene.
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  Speaker 2: Because he lived in the same house. Right.
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  Speaker 1: He fed them. He walked them.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, familiarity with the animals is a circumstantial vulnerability.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a legal motive.
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  Speaker 1: True.
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  Speaker 2: To uncover a motive that would actually drive someone to
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  Speaker 2: point-blank violence, investigators had to dig into what was really
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  Speaker 2: happening between the upstairs and downstairs of that house in
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  Speaker 2: the months leading up to the murder.
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  Speaker 1: And what they found is that Sharice's world was in
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  Speaker 1: a state of active, catastrophic collapse. She had recently uncovered
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  Speaker 1: a secret that is just genuinely staggering. She confided in
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  Speaker 1: her family that she felt like she was sleeping with
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  Speaker 1: the enemy.
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  Speaker 2: That's a heavy phrase. It is.
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  Speaker 1: She discovered that her quiet husband, the man seemingly content
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  Speaker 1: in the basement... had been carrying on a 14-year affair.
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  Speaker 2: 14 years. That's a lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: 14 years. He had cultivated a completely separate parallel existence.
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  Speaker 1: As her sister described the horror of it, he basically
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  Speaker 1: wanted to play two roles, inhabit two families, sleep in
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  Speaker 1: two beds, and run two households.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the psychological devastation inflicted by a discovery of
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  Speaker 2: that magnitude is... It's difficult to articulate.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 2: When a deception spans over a decade, it forces the
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  Speaker 2: betrayed partner to retroactively interrogate their entire adult life. Every
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  Speaker 2: shared holiday, every anniversary, every mundane Tuesday over the last
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  Speaker 2: 14 years is suddenly infected with suspicion.
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  Speaker 1: The cognitive dissonance has to be shattering.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, completely shattering. But Charice, consistent with the decisive, authoritative
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  Speaker 2: woman she was known to be, She didn't absorb this
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  Speaker 2: betrayal passively.
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  Speaker 1: No, she took immediate, highly symbolic action. She actually took
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  Speaker 1: her wedding ring, the physical manifestation of those 28 years,
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  Speaker 1: and she sold it to a pawn shop. Wow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she totally eradicated it from her life. In fact, she
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  Speaker 1: was buried without it. And alongside that emotional severance, she
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  Speaker 1: took calculated financial action. She took out three different life
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  Speaker 1: insurance policies totaling around $ 1 million. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: See, introducing a million-dollar payout fundamentally alters the investigative landscape.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge shift.
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  Speaker 2: Right. A million dollars is not just a motive. It
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  Speaker 2: is a life-altering sum that historically drives extreme, premeditated human behavior.
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  Speaker 1: And amidst these practical defensive steps, Shirais was experiencing something
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  Speaker 1: deeply chilling. She began vocalizing these eerie... eerie, really specific premonitions.
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  Speaker 1: Her niece recalled this disturbing conversation where Shirais asked, do
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  Speaker 1: you think I'm paranoid because I feel like I'm being followed?
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  Speaker 1: She specifically fixated on a dark blue blazer that seemed
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  Speaker 1: to materialize everywhere she went. She even started intentionally keeping
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  Speaker 1: her location secret from everyone.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when a person's baseline reality is shattered by
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  Speaker 2: a massive prolonged betrayal, hypervigilance is the standard trauma response. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: for sure. The brain's threat detection system just gets stuck
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  Speaker 2: in the on position. But in Charice's case, given the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate outcome, we have to transition from assuming paranoia to
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  Speaker 2: analyzing whether she was acutely observing a genuine physical stalking pattern.
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  Speaker 1: And the timeline tightens terrifyingly. Just three hours before she
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  Speaker 1: was found dead on the concrete path, she made a
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  Speaker 1: phone call to her family and simply said, I just
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  Speaker 1: want you to know I love you.
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  Speaker 2: Those seemingly innocuous check-ins, they just haunt homicide investigators. A
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  Speaker 2: spontaneous declaration of love out of context suggests one of
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  Speaker 2: two things. Either she knew an inevitable, dangerous confrontation was
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  Speaker 2: scheduled for that evening, or her subconscious threat assessment had
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  Speaker 2: reached a peak, giving her this visceral gut feeling that
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  Speaker 2: her safety was entirely compromised.
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  Speaker 1: So gathering the pieces, you know, the dogs, the million-dollar
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  Speaker 1: financial motive, a 14-year double life, the dark premonitions, the
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  Speaker 1: family's instinct immediately pointed to Eugene, and investigators start processing
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  Speaker 1: the physical evidence.
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  Speaker 2: The gun. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The weapon used was her own gun, found right by
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  Speaker 1: her side along with her cell phone. The lab swabs
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  Speaker 1: the gun, and it comes back covered in Eugene's DNA.
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  Speaker 2: And here we arrive at a massive friction point in
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  Speaker 2: modern forensic science.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The limitations of DNA evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Which people misunderstand all the time.
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  Speaker 2: They really do. The general public often equates the presence
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  Speaker 2: of DNA with the guilt of a specific action. But
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  Speaker 2: DNA is simply a biological marker of presence. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a timestamp of an event. When confronted with his DNA
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  Speaker 2: on the murder weapon, Eugene offered a highly plausible defense.
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  Speaker 2: He lived in the house, and he claimed he routinely
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  Speaker 2: cleaned her gun for her. If you share a living
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  Speaker 2: space and handle someone's belongings, your epithelial cells, your touch DNA,
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  Speaker 2: will inevitably transfer to those objects.
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  Speaker 1: Let's pause and dig into touch DNA for a second,
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  Speaker 1: because I think people assume if you touch a gun,
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  Speaker 1: you leave a perfect, incriminating fingerprint made of genes.
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  Speaker 2: It's not nearly that simple.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because if Eugene cleans the gun on Tuesday and
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  Speaker 1: then someone else wearing gloves picks it up on Thursday
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  Speaker 1: to shoot her, Eugene's DNA is still the primary profile, right?
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. Touch DNA, or trace DNA... involves the transfer of
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  Speaker 2: microscopic skin cells. We shed tens of thousands of these
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  Speaker 2: cells daily.
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  Speaker 1: Just constantly leaving a trail.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So if Eugene vigorously wiped down that gun with
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  Speaker 2: a cloth, he deposited a substantial amount of his cellular
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  Speaker 2: material into the ridges and grips of the weapon. If
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  Speaker 2: the actual shooter wore gloves or simply didn't shed enough
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  Speaker 2: cells to override Eugene's existing profile, the lab results will
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  Speaker 2: heavily favor Eugene.
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  Speaker 1: So it's basically a wash.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the DNA proves he handled the gun at some point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It categorically cannot prove he pulled the trigger on that
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  Speaker 2: specific riverbank.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, the DNA is a stalemate. But let's look at
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  Speaker 1: a glaring behavioral anomaly regarding that gun. Shirais kept her
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  Speaker 1: gun for protection, and she was incredibly regimented about it.
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  Speaker 1: She always kept it in a specific holster pouch.
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  Speaker 2: This is a huge detail.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. When police executed a search warrant on
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  Speaker 1: the home, they found the gun pouch sitting completely undisturbed
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  Speaker 1: inside the house. The family noted she would never, under
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  Speaker 1: any circumstances, carry that gun without its pouch, especially not
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  Speaker 1: just rattling around loose in her coat pocket while handling
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  Speaker 1: two massive dogs. If she felt safe enough to leave
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  Speaker 1: the pouch behind, why take the heavy gun? Or did
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  Speaker 1: someone else bring that gun from the house to the river?
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  Speaker 2: Behavioral anomalies are often the most reliable indicators of staged
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  Speaker 2: or altered crime scenes. Humans are deeply entrenched creatures of habit,
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  Speaker 2: especially regarding safety protocols.
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  Speaker 1: We don't just randomly change our safety habits.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If a highly organized, cautious woman suddenly deviates from
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  Speaker 2: her strict, ingrained weapon handling protocols on the exact night
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  Speaker 2: she is murdered, the logical deduction is that she did
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  Speaker 2: not author the narrative of that crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
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  Speaker 2: The separation of the gun from the pouch suggests the
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  Speaker 2: weapon was hastily procured by someone who didn't care about
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  Speaker 2: the pouch or didn't know it was essential to her routine.
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  Speaker 1: Which leads us to look at Eugene's behavior after the murder,
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  Speaker 1: which is equally baffling. He didn't call Shirais' family the
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  Speaker 1: night she was killed. He waited until the next morning.
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  Speaker 2: That's a red flag for the family.
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  Speaker 1: A huge one. And then at her funeral, the family
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  Speaker 1: observed him acting bizarrely out of character. He was talking constantly,
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  Speaker 1: being overly social, almost manic. They mention they barely heard
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  Speaker 1: him string together full sentences in the past, and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: he's like the life of the funeral, chatting everyone up.
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  Speaker 2: Post-defense behavior is incredibly difficult to codify because grief and
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  Speaker 2: shock manifest in such chaotic ways.
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  Speaker 1: Right, it's not always a Hollywood movie reaction. No.
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  Speaker 2: His manic socializing could be interpreted as a manifestation of
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  Speaker 2: extreme nervous energy and guilt-like, a desperate attempt to project
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  Speaker 2: a normal demeanor that just completely overshoots the mark. Alternatively,
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  Speaker 2: it could simply be the erratic psychological blowback of trauma.
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  Speaker 1: But what is significantly harder to attribute to mere grief
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  Speaker 1: is the mechanical theory he presented to the detectives regarding
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  Speaker 1: how his wife died.
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  Speaker 2: This is truly bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: This is where things veer into the absolute absurd. When
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  Speaker 1: police asked Eugene how he thought Charice ended up shot
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  Speaker 1: point blank with her own gun, his official theory was
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  Speaker 1: that the dogs did it.
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  Speaker 2: The dongs did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he suggested that maybe the German shepherds jumped up
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  Speaker 1: on Shreis in excitement and somehow their paws got into
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  Speaker 1: her pocket or bumped her just right and they managed
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  Speaker 1: to trigger the gun, shooting her directly in the chest.
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  Speaker 2: Applying any critical mechanical analysis to this theory destroys it instantly.
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  Speaker 2: We are discussing a semi-automatic handgun or revolver. These weapons
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  Speaker 2: have specific trigger pull weights, often requiring 5 to 10
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  Speaker 2: pounds of concentrated rearward force.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a light tap.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. Many have built in safety mechanisms, too.
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  Speaker 2: The statistical probability of a dog jumping up, perfectly hooking
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  Speaker 2: a blunt claw inside a trigger guard, disengaging any safety,
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  Speaker 2: and applying exact rearward pressure while the barrel is perfectly
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  Speaker 2: perpendicular to the victim's chest. I mean, it is virtually zero.
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  Speaker 1: It's impossible.
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  Speaker 2: It defies the laws of physics and probability. It is
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  Speaker 2: a narrative constructed from absolute desperation, not logic.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, the detectives didn't buy a word of it.
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  Speaker 1: They administered a polygraph test to Eugene, which came back inconclusive.
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  Speaker 1: They also polygraph tested his girlfriend, the woman from the
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  Speaker 1: 14-year affair, two months later, and she actually failed it.
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  Speaker 2: But polygraphs are tricky.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Furthermore, a forensic extraction of Eugene's cell phone revealed
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  Speaker 1: that between the day before the murder and the day
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  Speaker 1: of the murder, he had manually deleted nine specific phone
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  Speaker 1: calls from his call log.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, while the polygraphs are compelling to the public, They
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: are forensically contentious. A polygraph doesn't detect lies. It measures
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: autonomic arousal, right? Changes in heart rate, blood pressure, respiration,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: and skin conductivity.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: So anyone who's stressed could fail.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Exactly. An innocent, grieving, terrified person can easily fail a polygraph,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: which is why they are largely inadmissible in court. However,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the deletion of the call logs is a highly tangible
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: piece of circumstantial evidence.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It's a digital action. Yes.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Deleting data during the critical window of a homicide investigation
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: demonstrates an active intent to conceal communication. It shows a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: consciousness of guilt regarding those specific interactions.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: So combining the million dollar motive, the deleted calls, the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: bizarre dogs did it theory and all the behavioral red flags,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the police felt they had enough. They arrested Eugene Bingham
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and charged him with the murder of his wife.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: A huge moment for the family. But.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And this is a devastating books bout for the family
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: desperately seeking justice.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: We must be explicitly clear here to maintain absolute impartiality
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: regarding the legal outcomes. Eugene Bingham was never convicted of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: this crime.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And was convicted.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: In fact, a month and a half before the trial
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: was scheduled to commence, the prosecutor's office dropped all charges
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: against him.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Dropped. The family is just reeling, asking why. And the answer,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: because of his cell phone. Or rather, the complete lack
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of information from it. The digital footprint... basically evaporated. The
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: cell phone location data simply failed to place him at
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the scene of the crime at the White River on
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that freezing night.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: This perfectly illustrates the double-edged sword of the digital age.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Juries and prosecutors have become entirely reliant on digital validation.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: They expect cell phone tower pings to place a suspect
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: precisely at a scene.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Like if the phone isn't there, the person wasn't there.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: That's the assumption. If the phone data does not corroborate
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the physical theory... defense attorneys will aggressively argue reasonable doubt.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: A person can't, of course, simply leave their phone sitting
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: on the kitchen counter while they leave the house to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: commit a crime.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: But without physical evidence tying Eugene directly to the trigger
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: at that exact moment, the prosecution realized they just could
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: not overcome that digital void in a courtroom.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: The absence of a digital track is what ultimately derailed
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the entire prosecution. Eugene walks away free. The family is
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: left devastated, still holding prayer vigils, still firmly believing the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: answer was standing right there on that concrete path the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: whole time, wagging their tails or baring their teeth.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: It is a profoundly haunting conclusion. The footprint was absent,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and that absence allowed the truth to remain. obscured. But
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: as we transition to our second case, we're going to
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: examine the exact inverse of this scenario.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: A complete 180.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Right. What happens when a criminal does not have the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: luxury of a digital void? In fact, what happens when
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: their digital footprint is precisely the thing that unravels a
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: meticulously planned, multi-million dollar double life?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Let's leave the freezing banks of Indiana and head into
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the sweltering heat of the southeast. We are looking at
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a criminal whose digital tracks were so loud, so impossible
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to erase, that she essentially handed the FBI the map
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to her own prison cell. We are diving into the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: staggering case of Abigail Kemp.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And the contrast between Charice and Abigail is immediately striking.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Charice Bingham was a mature woman deeply rooted in her community,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: seeking stability. Abigail Kemp was seeking something entirely different. She
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: thrived on visibility and adrenaline.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Well, let's introduce Abigail. At the time this unbelievable crime
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: spree kicked off, she was a 25-year-old Southern stunner. Her
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: background sounds like a Mad Libs of Americana. She was
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a former Hooters waitress. She worked as a model. And
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: this is the detail that always gets me. She was
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a quarterback for the Atlanta Steam in the lingerie football league.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: She was a woman fundamentally accustomed to performance, physicality, and
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: being observed.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: She operated in environments where her appearance was scrutinized and, frankly, utilized.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And she cultivated this massive alter ego. The media eventually
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: dubbed her the Bad Bling Bandit or the Diamond Diva.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Over a grueling one-year period, this 25-year-old quarterback terrorized 13
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: separate jewelry store employees across five different southern states. Georgia, Tennessee,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: North Carolina, South Carolina, and Florida. She walked away with
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: over $ 4 million in stolen jewels.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You know, whenever the public is presented with a moniker
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: like Diamond Diva, And they see mugshots of a young,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: conventionally attractive woman robbing high-end jewelry stores. There's this immediate,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: almost unavoidable cultural instinct to glamorize the narrative.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: It sounds like the treatment for a slick Hollywood heist movie.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: We visualize laser grids, vault cracking, and witty banter.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Right. But I want to aggressively push back on that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Hollywood narrative right now. The reality of what she executed
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in those stores was not a fun, victimless romp. It
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: was brutal drama. physical, and deeply terrifying. Let's ground this
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: in the specific account of one of her victims, a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: store clerk named Brianna Kutshaw.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: That's a crucial perspective.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Abigail Kemp walked into that jewelry store, pulled a firearm,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: forced Brianna to the ground, and zip-tied her hands behind
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: her back. Imagine Brianna lying on the cold floor, staring
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: down the barrel of a gun held by a stranger,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: genuinely wondering if she was about to be executed in
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the back room for some diamonds.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you for centering the victim's experience, because that is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the stark unglamorous reality of armed robbery. The psychological trauma
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: inflicted in those moments is permanent.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: It doesn't just go away when the police arrive?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: No. The autonomic nervous system goes into severe shock. Brianna
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: spoke extensively about the lingering fear she carried long after
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the robbery. She experienced constant anxiety that Abigail might return
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: to silence her because the victims had seen her face.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: You don't just brush off being zip-tied at gunpoint. Your
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: baseline sense of safety is permanently altered.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Wait, let me rephrase that. We really have to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: keep that terror at the forefront to understand the stakes.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So how does a lingerie football quarterback evolve into a multi-state,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: highly proficient armed robber?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: She had help.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Right. She wasn't acting alone. She had accomplices. Three men
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: named Larry Gilmore, Michael Gilmore, and Louis Jones. She originally
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: met them while she was waitressing.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: What you're describing is a classic, highly effective recruitment scenario.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Experienced criminals are adept at identifying vulnerable or thrill-seeping individuals
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: who don't fit the typical suspect profile.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: She certainly didn't look like a stereotypical bank robber.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. A young, attractive woman in athletic wear walking into
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a high-end jewelry store does not immediately trigger the threat
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: assessments of security guards or staff in the way three
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: adult men might. They weaponized her demographic profile. They used
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: her aesthetic to bypass the initial layers of physical security.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And they took this operation incredibly seriously. It wasn't just
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a simple smash and grab. They established a bizarre, highly
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: organized training ground. The Gilmores owned a window tint shop
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and they used this seemingly normal business to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: literally run tactical drills.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Behind closed doors.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The men would select the target stores, meticulously lay
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: out the floor plans on the shop floor, and even
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: pick out the specific outfits Abigail would wear baggy sweats, hats,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and sneakers... to execute the robberies solo.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: This is a criminal enterprise operating with corporate-level logistics. They
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: were conducting dry runs. They understood the mechanics of time
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: on target, the physical control of the environment, and the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: necessity of establishing immediate psychological dominance over the store clerks.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It's like military prep.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: The physical preparation was intense, mimicking tactical police training.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So they have the physical side dialed in perfectly. She's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: successfully executing these takeover robberies across five states. pulling down
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: $ 4 million in inventory. But here is where the operation
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: spectacularly implodes.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: We have to analyze the supreme irony of their enterprise.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Despite all that intense physical training, the meticulous dry runs,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the careful selection of clothing to obscure her identity, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the coordinated interstate travel, they were completely undone by basic,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: fundamental digital incompetence.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: It is almost comical considering how much effort they put
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: into the physical world. They made two massive unforced errors. First,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: while Abigail was inside the stores executing the robberies, she
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: was actively communicating with her crew who were waiting outside
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in getaway vehicles via her personal cell phone.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Let's do a deep dive into the mechanics of cellular
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: networks to understand exactly why this is a fatal flaw.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: When you carry a modern cell phone, it doesn't only
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: communicate when you are actively dialing a number or sending
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: a text. Your phone is constantly and visibly screaming into
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the void, searching for the strongest possible connection. It performs
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a digital handshake with the nearest cell phone towers every
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: few seconds.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Hold on, let me interrupt there. If she is just
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: walking into a store for maybe three minutes to hold
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: up the clerk, and she just has an open earpiece
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: or sends one text, does the tower really capture that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: much granular data?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Cell towers are divided into directional sectors, usually
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: three sectors covering 120 degrees each. When a phone pings
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a tower, the network logs not only which tower it
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: connected to, but which specific sector of that tower.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Furthermore, the network measures the time delay of the signal.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: If your phone is pinging two or three nearby towers simultaneously,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: which it usually is to maintain seamless coverage, investigators can
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: use the time delays from those different towers to triangulate
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: your position down to a remarkably small radius.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: So they don't even need GPS.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: No. The FBI didn't need a physical GPS tracker on
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: her car. By subpoenaing the historical tower data, they could
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: see that Abigail's specific phone number was pinging off towers
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: directly covering all 13 jewelry store locations across five different
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: states at the exact chronological moments the crimes were occurring.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It is literally the equivalent of leaving a neon sign
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: at every single crime scene flashing, Abigail Kemp is currently inside.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: The physical tracks in the stores might have been wiped clean,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: but the digital tracks in the sky were utterly permanent.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And if that wasn't bad enough, we have to examine
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: mistake number two, vanity.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: The Achilles heel of the modern criminal. The compulsion of
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: social media.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The police managed to obtain surveillance video of a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: very specific getaway car from one of the robberies, a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: maroon Honda. So what did the federal agents do? They
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: do a basic search of Abigail Kemp's public social media accounts.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: And sitting right there, posted for the whole world to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: scroll past, is a stylized photo she took featuring that
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: exact same maroon Honda.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: This highlights a fascinating, almost tragic psychological disconnect. A person
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: can possess the cold discipline required to hold a terrified
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: clerk at gunpoint, manage the adrenaline of a timed robbery,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and escape across state lines.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yet they completely lack the impulse control to stop broadcasting
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: their life on Instagram.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: It's just wild.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: They fail to comprehend that the digital world and the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: physical world are no longer separate entities. They're entirely merged.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: A photo of a car is no longer just a memory.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It's a globally accessible, time-stamped piece of geographical evidence.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: The digital footprint was deafening. The FBI swoops in and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Abigail is caught dead to rights. Let's look at the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: legal outcome, because the mechanics of her plea deal are
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: incredibly revealing about how the federal justice system actually operates
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: behind closed doors.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: When prosecutors dismantle a multi-person conspiracy, their primary strategy is
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to apply immense pressure to the most vulnerable member of
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the group, offering them a lifeline in exchange for securing
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: convictions against the organizers or higher-ups. It is the classic
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: prisoner's dilemma applied to federal law.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And Abigail admitted to conspiracy to interfere with commerce by
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: robbery and using a firearm during a crime of violence.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Those are heavy federal charges. She was staring down the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: barrel of a potential life sentence, but she cooperated. She flipped.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: She took the deal.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: She took the deal and testified against her crew. Because
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: she provided the evidence to lock up the Gilmores and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Lewis Jones, the federal judge gave her a massive reduction.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: She received 10 years in federal prison. 10 years is
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a substantial portion of a young life.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: But contrasted with a potential life sentence, it is a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: staggering concession by the state.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Compare her fate with her accomplice, Larry Gilmore, who was
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: identified as one of the primary architects of the tactical scheme.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: What did he get? Additionally, both of them are on
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the hook for nearly $ 1. 5 million in restitution to the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: jewelry companies. But I keep thinking about Breonna Kutcha, the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: victim we centered earlier.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: When reporters asked her how she felt about Abigail only
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: getting a 10-year sentence for the trauma she inflicted, Breonna's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: response was just heartbreakingly resigned. She just sighed and said,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I can't change it, so you just have to accept it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: It serves as a sobering reminder that the justice system
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: is designed to balance ledgers, not to provide true emotional
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: closure for victims. The legal scales are balanced on paper
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: with a 10-year sentence. But the visceral terror Brianna experienced
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: on that floor remains entirely uncompensated. The system addresses the crime,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but rarely heals the trauma.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Reflecting on Abigail Kemp, we see a criminal whose digital
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: tracks were so loud, so impossibly dense, that she essentially
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: constructed her own prison cell out of cell tower pings
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and Instagram posts. But what if a perpetrator operates entirely
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: outside of that digital web? What if they possess the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: specialized professional expertise to manipulate the physical earth itself, ensuring
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: no tracks are ever found?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: This brings us to our final case. We are moving
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: from a scenario overloaded with digital evidence to a chilling,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: empty void in the desert. We're looking at a horrifying
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: situation where the geography itself is conscripted as an accomplice.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: We are heading out west to Long Beach, California, to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: discuss the heartbreaking disappearance of 27-year-old Diana Rojas. Let's paint
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a picture of Diana. She was a young mother with
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: an incredibly big heart. She came from a massive supportive family.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: She had 11 doting brothers and sisters.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: That's a huge support system.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It is. But the absolute undeniable center of her universe
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: was her two-year-old daughter, Mercedes.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: By all witness accounts, her dedication to her daughter was
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: total and consuming. She was doing everything within her power
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to build a stable, safe life. She worked at a
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: local church, and interestingly, that church also functioned as a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: women's shelter.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Which is really telling.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Right. She took this specific demanding job to afford mounting
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: legal bills for a vicious ongoing custody fight.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And that custody fight was against her ex-husband, a man
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: named America Rojas. We need to look very, very closely
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: at America's professional background. He was a combat engineer with
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the 58th Cavalry in the United States Army stationed at
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Fort Irwin.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: The geography of his posting is critical to the narrative.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Fort Irwin is situated deep in the high desert of California.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: roughly 160 miles away from Long Beach. It is an isolated, expansive,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and brutally rugged environment. It's just hundreds of square miles
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: of nothing but scrub, sand, and rock.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: But it's his specific job designation in the Army that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: America Rojas' primary duty as a combat engineer was operating
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: earthmovers and bulldozers. He was a highly trained professional at
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: moving massive, tons-heavy amounts of dirt and permanently altering physical landscapes.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Keep that specific mechanical skill set firmly at the forefront
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: of your mind as we analyze the events that follow.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But before we look at the desert, we have to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: look at the domestic reality Diana was desperately trying to escape.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: The news program that investigated this case obtained a previously
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: unreleased restraining order that Diana had filed against America. The
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: allegations documented in it are severe and terrifying. She claimed
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: under IRF that he had a history of drunkenness and violence.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: These are heavy allegations.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Extremely. She stated that during one altercation, he had broken
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: her arm. She detailed a horrific incident where he forced
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: himself on her against her will. And, crucially for the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: threat assessment, she noted that he owned three firearms and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that she lived in constant paralyzing fear for her life
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and the life of her two-year-old daughter.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It is vital to state for the record, again maintaining
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: our strict impartiality regarding the legal system, that Americ Rojas
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: was never officially charged with any crime related to the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: alleged abuse outlined in that restraining order. However, from a
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: psychological profiling perspective, the sworn statements in that restraining order
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: establish a documented baseline of extreme fear and volatility in
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: their relationship dynamic.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And her mother confirmed that terror. She noted that every
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: time Diana had to hand Mercedes over for his court-ordered visitation,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: she would get visibly tense, nervous, and profoundly sad. Which
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: brings us to the timeline of the Friday night she
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: vanished into thin air. The custody arrangement required Diana to
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: hand little Mercedes over to America at 7 p.m.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: The logistics of this handoff are highly unusual and create
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a dangerous proximity. America actually paid for two separate condos
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: in the exact same complex in Long Beach. One was
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: for Diana and Mercedes, and the other condo he shared
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: with his sister when he was on leave from the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Army base.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So the handoff didn't require a drive to a neutral location.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: It just required her to walk across a shared courtyard.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: At 7 p.m., she hands Mercedes over to America. Her
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: mom noted she seemed more upset that night than usual.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: But after the handoff, Diana actually had a date. She
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was seeing a new man, David Howard, who was the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: son of the pastor at the church where she worked.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: According to the timeline painstakingly established by police interviews, David
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and Diana spent the evening together at her condo. David
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: told investigators that around midnight, Diana fell asleep on the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: sofa and he decided to head home. He claimed, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: this is a crucial detail, that he vividly remembered locking
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the front door behind him as he left.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: That is the last verified moment anyone ever sees Diana Rojas.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: The next morning, David realizes she's missing, she doesn't show
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: up for her shift at the church, and panic sets
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: in immediately. Police arrive and search her apartment, and the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: crime scene they uncover is bizarre.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: It's not what you expect.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Right. It's not a chaotic bloodbath, but it is deeply,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: quietly troubling. They find a small amount of blood on
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the exact sofa where David said she was sleeping. They
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: also find a bandana soaked in what they believe to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: be urine.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Finding urine at a suspected abduction site is a massive
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: biological indicator.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: It's chilling.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: It really is. When a human being experiences sudden, extreme
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: terror-like waking up to a violent attack, The autonomic nervous
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: system can overload, resulting in an involuntary release of the bladder.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: It suggests a sudden, terrifying trauma occurred in that room.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: But what the police do not find is equally important.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: There are absolutely no signs of forced entry on the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: doors or windows.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Meaning whoever entered that condo either had a key or
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Diana willingly opened the door for them in the middle
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: of the night. And there is one more massive, glaring
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: piece missing from the scene. Diana's vehicle, a black pickup truck,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: has vanished without a single trace.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Early in any missing persons investigation, police are required to
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: consider all hypotheses, no matter how unlikely. One of the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: initial theories floated by some investigators on the scene was
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: that this stressed young mother, burdened by legal debt and
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: a vicious custody battle, simply snapped and took off of
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: her own free will to start a new life.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And I have to strongly, aggressively push back on that theory.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It makes absolutely zero psychological sense when you look at
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: her life. Think about it. It's like suggesting someone who
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: just spent every last dime they had buying a lifeboat
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: would suddenly choose to jump into the freezing ocean without it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: She's working a demanding job specifically to pay a private
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: attorney to win full custody of her daughter. Her entire
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: existence was oriented around protecting Mercedes. Psychologically, a mother in
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that specific protective mindset would never, ever abandon her two-year-old
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: child in the exact same condo complex as the man
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: she had a violent restraining order against.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Your lifeboat analogy perfectly illustrates the flaw in the police theory.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Human behavior is generally goal-oriented. Her stated, documented goal was
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: securing Mercedes. Walking away completely contradicts every established data point
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: we have about her character. Furthermore, we live in a
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: track society.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Cameras are everywhere. Right.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Vehicles leave immense paper trails, toll booths, gas station cameras,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: license plate readers on highways. Her truck never pinged a
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: single camera or toll anywhere in the state.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: So investigators are completely stuck. They question David, the new boyfriend.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: They question America, the ex-husband. And they hit an absolute
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: brick wall. Everyone has an alibi. The case goes completely
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: ice cold for years. The family is just left in agonizing,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: unresolved limbo.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Then, years later, the silence is suddenly broken. An anonymous
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: phone call comes into the department that fundamentally shifts the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: entire trajectory of the investigation.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: A mail caller contacts the Long Beach police and tells
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: them point blank, Diana is not missing. She was murdered.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And her body, along with her truck, is buried on
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the outskirts of a town called Ridgecrest.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Ridgecrest is a geographic detail that instantly electrified the detectives
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: reading the cold case file.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Because Ridgecrest is a tiny, remote desert town located directly
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: across the Mojave from Fort Irwin, the exact army base
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: where America Rojas was stationed. The combat engineer whose daily
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: job was operating massive earth movers.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: It is a circumstantial connection that is impossible to ignore.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: The anonymous tipster is suggesting that an entire black pickup
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: truck and Diana are buried in the desert. To bury
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: an object the size of a truck requires heavy machinery,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: immense logistical planning, and a specific professional skill set.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So the detective on the case, Mark Beagle, reopens the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: file and starts digging aggressively into America's life around the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: time she vanished. He uncovers three massive circumstantial red flags. Again,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: America was never charged, but these are the pieces the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: police were assembling. First, they discovered America had attempted to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: take out a $ 300, 000 life insurance policy on Diana after
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: she had already gone missing.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Attempting to monetize a disappearance while the search is actively
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: happening is a severe behavioral anomaly. It implies a presumption
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: of death before the facts of the investigation warrant it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Second, police found that they could no longer confirm his
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: alibi for that night. He originally claimed he was inside
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: his sister's condo with his daughter all night. But years later,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: when detectives re-interviewed people, that alibi collapsed under scrutiny. And third,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And this is truly chilling. An army buddy came forward
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and told superiors at Fort Irwin that America used to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: brag openly that the cops would never, ever find Diana.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Compiling those elements, the collapsed alibis, the retroactive financial motive,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the braggadocious statements, and the geographic and mechanical capability to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: execute a massive burial, the detective becomes convinced she's under
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the sand.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: It seems so obvious, right?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: But the Mojave Desert is vast. It is thousands of
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: square miles of unforgiving terrain. How do you find a
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: single truck buried under tons of dirt?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: This is where the investigation takes a fascinating turn into
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: high-tech forensics. They call in a specialized group from Colorado
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: called NECResearch. This is a volunteer team of the world's
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: premier forensic scientists, geologists, and botanists who specialize in finding
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: clandestine graves. The technology they deploy is mind-blowing. They use
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: satellite imaging to look for what they call anomalies.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Let's unpack the science of stratigraphy in satellite imaging. Because
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: it is incredible. Dirt is deposited in layers over millions
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: of years. When someone uses a backhoe to dig a
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: massive hole to bury a truck, they violently disrupt the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: stratigraphy of the soil.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: So they're mixing up those ancient layers.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They mix the nutrient-rich topsoil with the clay and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the sterile bedrock. When they fill the hole back in,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the compaction of that dirt is permanently changed. It alters
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: how rainwater pools and drains in that specific spot.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that even years later, the ground looks
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: different from space?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, consider the biological reaction. Because the drainage
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: and soil nutrients are altered, the vegetation that eventually grows
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: over that disturbed soil will grow at a slightly different
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: rate or possess a slightly different chlorophyll content than the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: undisturbed soil around it.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: That is wild.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Satellites equipped with near-infrared sensors can detect these minute, invisible-to-the-naked-eye
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: variations in the vegetation's spectral signature from outer space. They're
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: looking for the scars left on the Earth's surface.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: It is literally eye-in-the-sky technology trying to read the history
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of the dirt. So NEC research analyzes the satellite images
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: of the ridge crest area based on the geographic radius
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: provided by the anonymous tip. They run the spectral data,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: and they send Detective Beagle back a map with 11
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: specific anomalies, 11 places where the Earth had been unnaturally
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: mechanically moved.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: The detective goes out into the blistering heat of the desert.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: He physically surveys these 11 spots. evaluating the terrain accessibility
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: for heavy machinery, and manages to narrow them down to
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: five highly probable locations.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Then they bring in the biological cavalry. They bring in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: three separate, highly trained cadaver dogs. These are dogs specially
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: conditioned to detect the specific chemical compounds of human decomposition.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: The science of canine olfaction in these scenarios is fascinating.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: As a body breaks down, it releases over 400 volatile
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: organic compounds. Even years later, These gases can travel upward
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: through the porous soil or move laterally through subterranean fissures,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: eventually venting to the surface.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So they can smell things buried super deep.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: A well-trained cadaver dog can detect these compounds in parts
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: per trillion.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: The climax of this search is just heart-pounding. They run
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the three dogs over the five sites. And all three
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: cadaver dogs show intense, unmistakable interest in one specific anomaly.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: They hit on the exact spot NECRA search said was
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the most likely grave based on the satellite data.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: You have the convergence of advanced satellite spectral technology, anomalous
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: soil compaction data, and biological canine detection all pointing to
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: a single point on the map. Statistically, the probability of
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: a discovery at that exact moment is incredibly high.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: They bring in the excavators. They start digging. The family
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: is holding their breath, waiting by the phone for the
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: call that they finally have closure, that they can finally
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: bring Diana home. They dig deep into the earth. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: they find absolutely nothing. Just dirt.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: It's a devastating, crushing result for everyone involved.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I'm struggling to understand this. How does that happen? How
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: can military-grade satellites and three different highly trained dogs all
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: be wrong at the exact same time on the exact
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: same spot?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It illustrates the tragic, agonizing reality of forensic science in
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: extreme environments. Satellites can definitively detect that the Earth was moved,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: but they cannot tell you why it was moved.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: In a desert abutting a military base, that anomaly could
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: have been an illegal dumping site, an old military training exercise,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: or simply abandoned construction. As for the dogs, they are
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: incredible tools, but they are subject to environmental variables. They
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: can sometimes hit on residual scents from animals, or, crucially,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the decomposition gases might have drifted through underground fissures, venting
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to the surface 50 yards away from where the actual
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: source is buried. In the vastness of the Mojave, The
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: margin for error is agonizingly wide.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: The heartbreak for the family is just total. We wrap
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: up Diana's story in the present day, and it is bleak. Mercedes,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the two-year-old little girl, was raised by America Rojas. She
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: is now 18 years old. America completely cut ties with
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Diana's family. They haven't seen Mercedes since the night Diana
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: vanished 16 years ago. America still maintains he had absolutely
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with it, and the family is still
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: just sitting by the phone, waiting for the desert to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: give up its secrets.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: The footprint in this case wasn't just erased or scrubbed.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: It was entirely swallowed by the terrifying scale of the environment.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: What does this all mean for us? Let's take a
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: step back and look at the thematic journey we've been
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: on today. We started in the freezing cold with a
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: murder guarded by loyal animals, a case where the physical
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: presence and biological instincts of the dogs told a story
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the suspects simply couldn't explain away.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: We then shifted to a jewel heist undone by the
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: compulsion of social media vanity and the invisible architecture of
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: cell tower data. proving that our digital footprints are often
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: far more permanent and damning than our physical ones.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And we ended in the vastness of the desert, where
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: military training and heavy machinery may have been used to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: create a void so complete, so deep, that even satellites
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: from space and dogs on the ground can't pierce it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: In every single case, human behavior, whether it's training German shepherds,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: posting a photo on Instagram, or utilizing combat engineering skills,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: shape the entire investigative reality.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: It serves as a reminder that every action we take
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: is an interaction with our environment. We are constantly, inevitably
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: leaving traces of ourselves behind. We are altering the world
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: just by moving through it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: That is the thought I want you, listening right now,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: to hold on to. Think about your day so far.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: You leave a trace. Every text you send pings a tower.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Every route you drive is logged. Every habit you form
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: shapes how people perceive you. Sometimes those traces are the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: very things that bring justice and shine a light in
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the dark.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: But not always.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Right. Because sometimes, like a missing gun pouch on a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: walking trail, or a sudden lack of cell tower data,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: or a truck buried deep beneath the sand, the intentional
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: absence of a trace is exactly what allows secrets to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: remain buried forever.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Which brings us to a final, somewhat unsettling question regarding
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the modern age.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: If a satellite floating in space can detect where the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: dirt was moved years ago based on how plants grow,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and cell towers know exactly what sector we stand in
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: at any given second of the day, Are there any
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: truly unsolved mysteries left in the world? Or is it
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: simply that we, as a species, are generating so much
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: raw data we just haven't learned how to read all
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: of it yet?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: We are swimming in a massive, overwhelming sea of footprints,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: just waiting for the right lens to finally see them.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Think about that the next time you walk out your
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: front door and your phone searches for a signal. Thanks
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: for taking the deep dive with us. We'll see you
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: next time.