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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome to Buck guys tomorrow morning for Sunday, October thirteenth.
- 0:03Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tom Wore. The Nebraska game is in
- 0:06Speaker 1: thirteen days. The game he gets fissued in forty eight days.
- 0:09Speaker 1: The Ohio State Buckeyes played. It was an exciting game.
- 0:14Speaker 1: It was an entertaining game. It was not a particularly
- 0:20Speaker 1: crisply played game. It was a heck of a football game,
- 0:24Speaker 1: and it came up just that short thirty two thirty
- 0:27Speaker 1: one loss to the Orion Ducks here at Audsin Stadium,
- 0:30Speaker 1: joined by Tony Gerdeman. I fuck Ihadle dot com. Tony,
- 0:33Speaker 1: I walk away from this game. I know everyone on
- 0:36Speaker 1: our postgame show was Matt. Every single person in our
- 0:38Speaker 1: comments in our postgame shows Matt, I walk away from
- 0:41Speaker 1: this game. And I think, yeah, I mean, these are
- 0:44Speaker 1: two teams that are probably going to play later in
- 0:47Speaker 1: the season with even higher stakes than there were tonight.
- 0:51Speaker 2: Yeah, Ohio State made too many mistakes in this one.
- 0:53Speaker 2: Playing up some mistakes and then maybe something better happens
- 0:56Speaker 2: next time. But this is a game where you can't
- 0:59Speaker 2: expect to play your best against the best team you've played.
- 1:01Speaker 2: Oregon didn't play their best this season. Ohio State didn't
- 1:04Speaker 2: play their best. Too many mistakes from Ohio State to
- 1:07Speaker 2: turnover from quinch On Jenkins, the on side kick that
- 1:11Speaker 2: was recovered by Oregon, time, untimely penalties, too many penalties
- 1:17Speaker 2: I think eight for seventy yards, something to that effect.
- 1:19Speaker 2: Too many mistakes to win in a place like this
- 1:22Speaker 2: felt for so long like Ohio State was trying to
- 1:25Speaker 2: hold on to this game. And then they would get
- 1:27Speaker 2: a good grip, they would take a seven point lead,
- 1:29Speaker 2: Oregon would answer back, they'd take a lead, Ohio State
- 1:32Speaker 2: would answer back, and you know, o High State ran
- 1:35Speaker 2: out of time at the end.
- 1:36Speaker 1: No one really ever had a great grip on this game.
- 1:39Speaker 1: There was never more than one possession between the two teams.
- 1:43Speaker 1: And honestly, I think my biggest takeaway from this game is, boy,
- 1:49Speaker 1: the loss of Josh Simmons is really gonna sting the Buckeyes.
- 1:54Speaker 1: If you made a list of people this team would
- 1:56Speaker 1: least afford to lose because there's some depth on this team.
- 1:59Speaker 1: There's some really ten went to depth on this team.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Josh Simmons as you're starting left tackle, sounds like out
- 2:05Speaker 1: for the season. According to Bryan Day, that's one where boy,
- 2:09Speaker 1: they're gonna have to maybe get a little creative in
- 2:11Speaker 1: terms of solving the problem, because that that feels like
- 2:14Speaker 1: that's something that might have a much bigger long term
- 2:17Speaker 1: impact on this team than losing by one at the
- 2:19Speaker 1: number three teams.
- 2:21Speaker 2: I would definitely agree. And Zen Mahowsky came in. I
- 2:24Speaker 2: played reasonably well at times. Well, I'm not sure exactly
- 2:27Speaker 2: if how well he played from even Coach said I
- 2:30Speaker 2: need to watch the film, right, Yeah, I can promise
- 2:32Speaker 2: you we also would need to watch the film.
- 2:35Speaker 3: But we mentioned it on the post game show.
- 2:37Speaker 2: Initially when Josh Simmons went down, Luke Montgomery came in
- 2:41Speaker 2: and it looked like he was kind of slotted in
- 2:42Speaker 2: and left guard and Donovan Jackson was maybe maybe kicking
- 2:46Speaker 2: out to left tackle, and then before we got to
- 2:49Speaker 2: see any type of play, then Zen Mahaski came running
- 2:52Speaker 2: in and if that made more sense, yeah, But Donovan
- 2:55Speaker 2: Jackson's also a guy we've talked about for years, talking
- 2:58Speaker 2: about last year's possibly being the tackle if they couldn't
- 3:00Speaker 2: find one in the portal, and then they finally did
- 3:03Speaker 2: find Josh Simmons. But now ironically, coincidentally, if Josh Simmons
- 3:07Speaker 2: goes down Now that he has do you go back
- 3:10Speaker 2: to that old line of thinking, or because you've got
- 3:13Speaker 2: two weeks, do you get Zen Maholski as up and
- 3:15Speaker 2: running as possible, Or do you now go with Austin
- 3:19Speaker 2: Siraveld at left guard and Taker Shibola at right guard?
- 3:24Speaker 2: Or is Josh Fire going to be left tackle and
- 3:27Speaker 2: do you put take a Shibola at right tackle. Then
- 3:30Speaker 2: they've got to figure this out, and I don't think
- 3:32Speaker 2: you can do you work all week trying to find
- 3:35Speaker 2: out who what the best flow is in terms of
- 3:38Speaker 2: who's where and how well does that work? Because I
- 3:41Speaker 2: promise you when they get to the next game, they're
- 3:43Speaker 2: still gonna have to work out some kinks on what
- 3:45Speaker 2: exactly they're gonna do.
- 3:47Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is good because this is we had
- 3:49Speaker 1: a long conversation on the postgame show. This is a
- 3:52Speaker 1: whole different place that we didn't really go with this conversation.
- 3:55Speaker 1: You wonder how the fact that Taker Shibola was injured
- 3:58Speaker 1: earlier in the game, if normally you would have just
- 4:02Speaker 1: slid Austin Syrveld over to the left guard spot and
- 4:05Speaker 1: then you moved Donovan Jackson out or was this a
- 4:07Speaker 1: situation where Donovan Jackson probably didn't play a lot of
- 4:10Speaker 1: tackle this week and Zen Mahalski probably did. Now you've
- 4:14Speaker 1: got a week off, you have a very very well
- 4:16Speaker 1: timed week off. I know it was some consternation about
- 4:18Speaker 1: Ohio State's second week off coming a little early in
- 4:21Speaker 1: the schedule. Boy, is this going to be a great
- 4:23Speaker 1: time for them to have a week off to be
- 4:25Speaker 1: able to just kind of take some stock, reset and
- 4:27Speaker 1: maybe give everyone a day off and just kind of
- 4:31Speaker 1: flush it and then be ready to you know, learn
- 4:33Speaker 1: from it and move on. But the timing of that
- 4:38Speaker 1: is interesting, And yeah, I'm very interested to hear what
- 4:41Speaker 1: they decided to do there because, as you said, there's
- 4:43Speaker 1: a lot of different options there. There are also questions
- 4:47Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball because the pass
- 4:49Speaker 1: rush didn't get there. Again, you know, the pat the
- 4:53Speaker 1: defensive front was not productive. Again, probably speaking, they made
- 4:57Speaker 1: some individual place but Dylan Gabriel felt like he had
- 5:00Speaker 1: time to get the ball out through for over three
- 5:02Speaker 1: hundred yards. Secondary b I A was not b IA
- 5:07Speaker 1: on Saturday night. That is a game that Denzel Burg
- 5:10Speaker 1: is not going to want to spend a lot of
- 5:11Speaker 1: time thinking about. But he's gonna have to, probably because
- 5:15Speaker 1: you can't have that happen again in Indianapolis if you
- 5:18Speaker 1: play or at another time.
- 5:19Speaker 3: No, they were not even bio in this one.
- 5:21Speaker 2: They were the second best secondary and second best corners
- 5:24Speaker 2: at least. And there are plenty of downfield shots and
- 5:27Speaker 2: even intermediate stuff, big third down pickups, and the secondary
- 5:33Speaker 2: was kind of spinning and the corners were spinning. Now,
- 5:35Speaker 2: Jordan Hancock played a very good game, had the one
- 5:37Speaker 2: face mask that led eventually to that on side kick.
- 5:42Speaker 2: But overall, the safeties I thought did well. It was
- 5:45Speaker 2: just just the Denzelberg gave up. I don't know how
- 5:48Speaker 2: many of those three hundred yards were on him, but
- 5:51Speaker 2: probably you know, well over a third, I would guess.
- 5:54Speaker 1: Well, they had not given up a thirty yard completion
- 5:56Speaker 1: all season long, and he gave up at least two
- 5:59Speaker 1: and maybe three of them in that in the game,
- 6:01Speaker 1: just by himself. And you know, we're saying that he
- 6:04Speaker 1: gave them up again. This is a got to go
- 6:07Speaker 1: back and watch the film. I'm going to be interested
- 6:09Speaker 1: to hear. You know, sometimes the guy who is closest
- 6:12Speaker 1: to the play is not the guy who actually was
- 6:14Speaker 1: the one who busted. Was there supposed to be a
- 6:16Speaker 1: safety over the top. We don't know this stuff right now.
- 6:19Speaker 1: We have not had I have a terrible vantage point,
- 6:21Speaker 1: Tony says, Tony's is better. But also you're not breaking
- 6:25Speaker 1: down individual players while you're up in the press box.
- 6:27Speaker 1: So yeah, that'll be interesting to see where that goes.
- 6:30Speaker 1: There's a lot for them to learn from here. A
- 6:34Speaker 1: lot of the folks in our post game show were very,
- 6:37Speaker 1: very critical of Ryan Day. This was a game where
- 6:40Speaker 1: I thought Ryan Day's clock management, fourth down decision making
- 6:44Speaker 1: was was fine. The last minute there was a lot
- 6:47Speaker 1: of anger about how whist they didn't do the right
- 6:50Speaker 1: thing in the final minute and you can tell because
- 6:51Speaker 1: it didn't work, and it's like, well, I thought the
- 6:54Speaker 1: decision making was fine. The results just didn't follow the
- 6:57Speaker 1: decision making.
- 6:58Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people that were ups that
- 7:00Speaker 2: were coming into this game already met.
- 7:02Speaker 3: At Ryan Day for past past.
- 7:05Speaker 2: Failures, if you will, And I said it in the
- 7:08Speaker 2: post game I'll say it again here that I had
- 7:10Speaker 2: no problem with what went on on that final drive
- 7:13Speaker 2: in terms of the decision making. The timeout usage had
- 7:16Speaker 2: plenty of time. They got down there to field goal
- 7:18Speaker 2: range with time with opportunity, and then that all went
- 7:22Speaker 2: out the window with the penalty. But that's part of
- 7:25Speaker 2: the leave no doubt you when you played things, and
- 7:30Speaker 2: I don't think they're playing things close to the best.
- 7:31Speaker 2: It's just in a game like this, we said it
- 7:34Speaker 2: many times, one play can cost you the game.
- 7:37Speaker 3: That was one of those plays.
- 7:38Speaker 2: And even though everything was going well or going up
- 7:41Speaker 2: to the plan, going according to plan until then, if
- 7:45Speaker 2: it's a one score game, it only takes one bad snap,
- 7:48Speaker 2: one penalty. That's called one snap over the head. Dylan
- 7:51Speaker 2: Gambriel had to snap over there. I was able to
- 7:54Speaker 2: get get it.
- 7:55Speaker 1: Yeah it balanced, Yeah it balanced to him. He picked
- 7:57Speaker 1: it up and completed past for three yards or something.
- 8:00Speaker 1: The bad snap that Will Howard, that wasn't even a
- 8:01Speaker 1: bad snap. It was just Will Howard didn't feel the
- 8:03Speaker 1: snap correctly. He had to fall on it instead, so
- 8:06Speaker 1: instead of gaining three, he lose seven. But you know,
- 8:10Speaker 1: there are so many fine margin things, you know. I
- 8:13Speaker 1: was in the organ postgame press conference and they're talking
- 8:14Speaker 1: about the Will Coasmeric catch slash interception on I think
- 8:19Speaker 1: the opening drive of the game, where maybe it was
- 8:21Speaker 1: a catch, maybe it was an interception, they didn't get
- 8:24Speaker 1: a chance to. You know, Dan Lenning said he didn't
- 8:26Speaker 1: want to use a timeout that early too, because he
- 8:28Speaker 1: thought certainly they were going to buzz down and review it,
- 8:30Speaker 1: and Ohio State kind of hustled the line and snapped
- 8:32Speaker 1: it and got the next playoff. So you know, you've
- 8:34Speaker 1: got that as a what if for Oregon, You've you know,
- 8:37Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a million, oh there were plenty of
- 8:39Speaker 1: that of pass interference calls that didn't get called during
- 8:42Speaker 1: the course of the game.
- 8:43Speaker 2: If Ohio State wins that one, how mad are people?
- 8:45Speaker 2: Howard are Oregon fans that Dan Lanning doesn't use that
- 8:48Speaker 2: time out looked up?
- 8:49Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Dan Lanning, if Oregon, you know, if Ohio
- 8:52Speaker 1: State kicks a field goal at the end of the
- 8:54Speaker 1: game and wins this thirty four to thirty two, then
- 8:56Speaker 1: Dan Lanning's an idiot who doesn't know anything. Right now,
- 8:59Speaker 1: Dan Lenne is the toast of the town and he's
- 9:02Speaker 1: yucking it up in the postgame press conference and everyone
- 9:04Speaker 1: loves him, and everyone's and boy that I was in
- 9:07Speaker 1: the Oregon football building. Safe to say spirits are high
- 9:10Speaker 1: in the among the Oregon football program right now. But
- 9:14Speaker 1: The difference between that and that being a you can
- 9:17Speaker 1: hear a pin drop is Ohio State was in field
- 9:21Speaker 1: goal range, got a call for an offensive passing interferance
- 9:23Speaker 1: call that took him out of a field goal range
- 9:25Speaker 1: couldn't get back into field goal range. Will Howard on
- 9:28Speaker 1: that last play has six seconds. The play that they
- 9:31Speaker 1: had was covered, ends up taking off and running, which
- 9:34Speaker 1: was not the right choice, and then the clock runs
- 9:35Speaker 1: out and hit zero. You could have even then potentially,
- 9:39Speaker 1: if he slides one second earlier they called time out,
- 9:41Speaker 1: you could be lining up for a fifty whatever yard
- 9:43Speaker 1: field goal, which is not easy but is plausible, is makeable.
- 9:48Speaker 1: That's the margin here. It's literally this is the closest
- 9:51Speaker 1: can be at one point. That goes down to the
- 9:53Speaker 1: final play of the game on the road across country
- 9:56Speaker 1: against the number three team in the nation. I know
- 9:58Speaker 1: everyone wants to jump off the roof right now, but
- 10:01Speaker 1: this is to me, this does not fundamentally change Ohio
- 10:06Speaker 1: States odds of winning the National championship. Really, I don't
- 10:09Speaker 1: think Ohio States' odds of winning the National Championship or
- 10:12Speaker 1: any lower now than they were at the beginning of
- 10:14Speaker 1: the game. And I don't think it would have been
- 10:16Speaker 1: for Oregon if it was a one point lost for
- 10:18Speaker 1: them instead.
- 10:18Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And the opportunity to win the Big Tennis
- 10:22Speaker 2: till in Ohio State's control at this point, which means
- 10:26Speaker 2: their opportunity and the number one of the number two
- 10:28Speaker 2: seed overall is still in their control.
- 10:31Speaker 3: This was to me.
- 10:33Speaker 2: This is why the twelve team playoff is good. Is
- 10:37Speaker 2: because you can have a game like this, lose it,
- 10:40Speaker 2: and maybe you could enjoy the fact that you got
- 10:43Speaker 2: to watch an awesome game. I know that's not reality
- 10:45Speaker 2: just yet, right, Maybe it'll take some time. Maybe it
- 10:48Speaker 2: take a few years for the idea to settle in that,
- 10:51Speaker 2: you know what, it's okay to enjoy the games rather
- 10:54Speaker 2: than hate every second of it.
- 10:55Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 10:55Speaker 1: Well, And I think there is the reality of college
- 10:59Speaker 1: football now now where one loss does not kill your season.
- 11:02Speaker 1: And there are people who will tell you that's a
- 11:04Speaker 1: bad thing and that you know this should be this
- 11:08Speaker 1: should be a season killing loss. And I think it's
- 11:11Speaker 1: probably better for college football. You keep more fan bases
- 11:14Speaker 1: engaged and all that throughout the course of the season
- 11:17Speaker 1: and you don't have the one weird, fluky loss that
- 11:21Speaker 1: kills your season. This is a Ohio State fans. I
- 11:24Speaker 1: think they are probably going to be coming around on
- 11:26Speaker 1: on that opinion soon if they have not already. But
- 11:29Speaker 1: as you said, they control their own destiny. In terms
- 11:32Speaker 1: of the Big Ten Championship game. The only undefeated teams
- 11:34Speaker 1: in the Big Ten right now are Oregon, who has
- 11:36Speaker 1: a one game lead and a type breker over Ohio State,
- 11:38Speaker 1: so they're probably going to be finished ahead of the
- 11:39Speaker 1: buck Eyes, but Penn State, who is undefeated. But the
- 11:42Speaker 1: buck Guys get to go to Happy Valley, and if
- 11:44Speaker 1: they win there, they will have a one game lead
- 11:46Speaker 1: in a type breaker over a Penn State, or be
- 11:48Speaker 1: tied and have a type breaker for Penn State, and
- 11:50Speaker 1: then Indiana the only other unbeaten team in the Big Ten,
- 11:53Speaker 1: and the buck Guys play the Hoosiers. If the buck
- 11:56Speaker 1: Gys went out, they're going to Indianapolis and they're almost
- 11:58Speaker 1: certainly playing the Organ Duck again. And I would, I
- 12:02Speaker 1: would sign me up. I will, I will take another
- 12:04Speaker 1: one of these games with a slightly shorter amount of
- 12:07Speaker 1: travel to get there. But this was for a first
- 12:11Speaker 1: trip to Oregon, you know. For I'm sure a lot
- 12:13Speaker 1: of Ohio State fans have never not been here. There
- 12:14Speaker 1: were a lot of Ohio State fans here on Saturday night,
- 12:17Speaker 1: but for Ohio State fans who have not been here,
- 12:19Speaker 1: this is a trip that you were going to enjoy
- 12:21Speaker 1: making in the future. And very nice campus, very nice area,
- 12:26Speaker 1: great stadium, great atmosphere. I mean this was Yes, Ohio
- 12:32Speaker 1: State did not win, and Ohio State fans are extremely
- 12:34Speaker 1: mad about that, but man, this is this is if
- 12:37Speaker 1: this is a new Big Ten and this is the
- 12:39Speaker 1: reality of the new college football playoffs. Like there's a
- 12:43Speaker 1: bunch of negatives to that, but this like two thumbs up.
- 12:48Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a better experience than hosting Maryland or
- 12:52Speaker 2: going to Maryland or whatever. This was something that was
- 12:57Speaker 2: good for the Big Ten. Not that you care, not that,
- 13:00Speaker 2: not that you needed to care, but this was a
- 13:03Speaker 2: good time in terms of it was a good game.
- 13:05Speaker 2: It was a I believe it was Josh Josh Pate
- 13:10Speaker 2: was recording a show in front of us and called
- 13:12Speaker 2: it the five Star Classic.
- 13:14Speaker 3: And that's that's from a national.
- 13:15Speaker 2: Perspective, not going to hear that from Ohio State fans.
- 13:19Speaker 2: I understand that it was a game that Ohio State
- 13:21Speaker 2: lost and that hurts, but it's one that you could
- 13:25Speaker 2: get over eventually, and certainly you won't care about if
- 13:28Speaker 2: Ohio State does what they still want to do and
- 13:30Speaker 2: what is still an opportunity for them.
- 13:32Speaker 3: But I can also hear people saying you couldn't do this,
- 13:37Speaker 3: why should we expect that?
- 13:39Speaker 1: Well, and we do need to wrap up. But Alabama
- 13:44Speaker 1: lost to Alabama, lost Toandy Vandy last week, very nearly
- 13:49Speaker 1: lost to South Carolina. This week, Georgia lost to Alabama.
- 13:52Speaker 1: Georgia very nearly lost to Kentuck Kentucky, Texas. You know
- 13:57Speaker 1: they played, They beat Oklahoma. They beat Oklahoma thirty four
- 14:01Speaker 1: to three. I think was a square of Oklahoma. I
- 14:03Speaker 1: think is a terrible, horrible, no good, very very bad
- 14:05Speaker 1: football team, at least half a football team. Tennessee lost
- 14:09Speaker 1: to Arkansas last week. Tennessee very nearly lost to Florida
- 14:14Speaker 1: Florida on Saturday. And you know, Penn State went to
- 14:19Speaker 1: overtime against USC, the same USC that just lost in
- 14:22Speaker 1: merritt Ton, Minnesota, and lost to Michigan. There are not
- 14:25Speaker 1: you know, Indiana, Indiana. I have no fault with Indiana.
- 14:28Speaker 1: So maybe Indiana is the dominant force in college football
- 14:31Speaker 1: this year and we'll all be surprised by that.
- 14:33Speaker 3: But we've seen people talking about how this is very
- 14:35Speaker 3: reminiscent of two thousand and seven.
- 14:36Speaker 1: Yeah, you remember that year, just bople up. Yeah, And
- 14:39Speaker 1: I don't think we're not quite there yet. We needed
- 14:41Speaker 1: a couple more weeks like last weekend to really get
- 14:44Speaker 1: into that and people comparing that, like, remember that Boston
- 14:48Speaker 1: College was number two, US Half was number two, right, Like,
- 14:51Speaker 1: we're we're not quite there yet. If we get there, man,
- 14:55Speaker 1: sign me up for that too. I love those, I
- 14:56Speaker 1: love those kind of years. But that's neither here nor there.
- 15:00Speaker 1: I think you're gonna I think everyone just kind of
- 15:02Speaker 1: needs to take a little bit of a deep breath
- 15:03Speaker 1: and recognize that this is the brave new world of
- 15:06Speaker 1: college football. Things are going to be a little different.
- 15:08Speaker 1: You are going to play a tougher schedule. Oregon was
- 15:11Speaker 1: not going to be on Ohio State's twenty twenty four
- 15:13Speaker 1: schedule initially. Then you had to get on a plan
- 15:15Speaker 1: and go play the number three team on the road,
- 15:17Speaker 1: and you lost by one. It happens that that happens
- 15:20Speaker 1: when you play top five teams. But because you know,
- 15:24Speaker 1: because of the brave the world of college football, it
- 15:26Speaker 1: doesn't kill your season. The way it might have before.
- 15:28Speaker 1: Absolutely will say all right, so we will be we
- 15:31Speaker 1: will be saying more things this week. Hopefully they will
- 15:33Speaker 1: become more welcome in among the Ohio State fan base
- 15:36Speaker 1: that is listening to them a little later on in
- 15:38Speaker 1: the week, but we'll have plenty of coverage as the
- 15:40Speaker 1: Buckeyes get ready to try to turn the page from
- 15:43Speaker 1: this from this loss, we'll be We'll have a lot
- 15:45Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about the loss of Josh Simmons
- 15:48Speaker 1: and how they're going to go about replacing him, what
- 15:51Speaker 1: the deal is with the defense, what needs to change there.
- 15:54Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of opportunity to talk about
- 15:56Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff all this week at Buckeyehuddle
- 15:58Speaker 1: dot com. We will be there. We'll be at YouTube
- 16:00Speaker 1: dot com slash Buckeye Huddle. We hope to see you there.
- 16:03Speaker 1: That will do it for today. Thank you guys all
- 16:05Speaker 1: for joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to
- 16:07Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Mm hmm.